Is this revisionist history?

You mean it’s over?

Maybe she should have Mika give her lessons on who the founding fathers were.

Thomas Jefferson was a founding father correct? just checkin…

And in her world, they did. Just watch the revisionist commenters start manipulating history to prove her right.

How dare she !

The lack of education is this country is appalling !

armwood, good news! Slavery is over!

murf said:
How dare she !

The lack of education is this country is appalling !

Look, Mediaite’s most noteworthy POS Kumquat has yet another identity, but still no substantive post.

My gash! this is embarrassing. I feel embarrassed for her. That’s what happened when a word/noun is over used, in this case it’s the “Founders”.

she is wrong guys… you know that

Jon, I know your objective is to ridicule her, but she did not say any more wrong than you did with your ridicule. As I understand it….but I am no expert.

Slavery is much more complex than what people think today.

This might be a good read on the subject:
Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White
By David Barton

murf said:
How dare she !

The lack of education is this country is appalling !

Good news! you’ve just demonstrated one of the downside of American education system.

Once again, I should remind everyone that the King goes to church.

The Real Royal King said:
Look, Mediaite’s most noteworthy POS Kumquat has yet another identity, but still no substantive post.

Mission accomplished !

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Maybe she should have Mika give her lessons on who the founding fathers were.

You should enroll in that class.

hahahahahahahahaha..

Representative Bachmann is simply brilliant. Washington lived until age 133, Adams to 130, Jefferson to 122 and Franklin to 160 just to be able to free the slaves.

Waiting for our local Teapublicans to defend this. I recall them making fun of Mika B. of Morning Joe for implying that Abe Lincoln was a founding father. Stupid liberal, but wait! The conservative Tea Party Queen has no grasp of history herself either. No wonder Palin had trouble mentioning her favorite founding father. They are clueless.

What? Slavery ended? From what I read on Mediaite, slavery hasn’t ended. Has anyone told Armchair, the Unreasonable Lib, skyfet, and the King about this remarkable revelation?

notsofast said:
What? Slavery ended? From what I read on Mediaite, slavery hasn’t ended. Has anyone told Armchair, the Unreasonable Lib, skyfet, and the King about this remarkable revelation?

For me, it was more of an epiphany than a revelation.

The Real Royal King said:
For me, it was more of an epiphany than a revelation.

I don’t think so. You have to have a brain stem to have an epiphany.

BatBoy said:
Jon, I know your objective is to ridicule her, but she did not say any more wrong than you did with your ridicule.

The JQ Adams bit fails. His Daddy was most certainly a founder, but the younger Adams was not.

notsofast said:
I don’t think so. You have to have a brain stem to have an epiphany.

I rather imagine in the 3rd Grade you were well-regarded for your snappy retorts. Since then, not so much, Marceaux, I mean Blower, I mean Nutso.

And she is being encouraged to run for POTUS? SCARY!!!

….and the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!!!!

The King also had stigmata. No wait. Maybe it was astigmatism.

The Real Royal King said:
I rather imagine in the 3rd Grade you were well-regarded for your snappy retorts. Since then, not so much, Marceaux, I mean Blower, I mean Nutso.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, is the King hurt?

Poor baby!

The Real Royal King said:
I rather imagine in the 3rd Grade you were well-regarded for your snappy retorts.

But son- you are still in the 3rd grade.

According to NeNe of the DH of ATL, slavery still exists.

Hmmm…

capt_black said:
….and the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!!!!

Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts? This could be the greatest night of our lives.

She does realize that JQA was 8 years old when the Declaration of Independence was adopted by the Continential Congress?

Pablo said:
Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts? This could be the greatest night of our lives.

The biggest bomb ever developed in the world was that movie “1941.”

I think if ALL the members of Congress were given a history test, we’d be surprised and appalled at how much they don’t know. There was a study done recently that proved the average citizen knows more about the workings of gov’t than those in WA.

TPM:

“Bachmann (R-MN) also noted how slavery was a ’scourge’ on American history, but added that ‘we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.’

‘And,’ she continued, ‘I think it is high time that we recognize the contribution of our forbearers who worked tirelessly — men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country.’

It’s true — Adams became a vocal opponent of slavery, especially during his time in the House of Representatives. But Adams was not one of the founders, nor did he live to see the Emancipation Proclamation signed in 1863 (he died in 1848).”

Err- FYI: She didn’t say Adams was a FOUNDER nor FORBEARER. She actually said Adams was a FOREBEARER, and everything she said is correct.

Well, look at it on the bright side…at least her parents didn’t meet in Selma five years after she was born and she didn’t have to campaign in all “57″ states, no did she release her economic plan – “making stuff and selling stuff”.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
I think if ALL the members of Congress were given a history test,

Let’s just ask them the number of US states first.

OxyCon said:
Well, look at it on the bright side…at least her parents didn’t meet in Selma five years after she was born and she didn’t have to campaign in all “57″ states, no did she release her economic plan – “making stuff and selling stuff”.

Don’t parents usually meet before a child is born?

jim bronson 990cc said:
She does realize that JQA was 8 years old when the Declaration of Independence was adopted by the Continential Congress?

Do you realize that he was practicing law when the Constitution was adopted?

juan said:
She actually said Adams was a FOREBEARER, and everything she said is correct.

You sure about that?

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/040112/12slave.htm

jim bronson 990cc said:
Don’t parents usually meet before a child is born?

Not the Messiah’s.

jim bronson 990cc said:
Don’t parents usually meet before a child is born?

Your grasp of the obvious is truly remarkable.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
I think if ALL the members of Congress were given a history test, we’d be surprised and appalled at how much they don’t know. There was a study done recently that proved the average citizen knows more about the workings of gov’t than those in WA.

“WA” refers to the state just north of Oregon. It is an unusually well-educated oasis in America. If you mean the place at which the Weeper of the House routinely performs, you would have written “DC”. That means District of Columbia, not direct current.

notsofast said:
What? Slavery ended? From what I read on Mediaite, slavery hasn’t ended. Has anyone told Armchair, the Unreasonable Lib, skyfet, and the King about this remarkable revelation?

Stop embarrassing yourself.

notsofast said:
jim bronson 990cc said:
Don’t parents usually meet before a child is born?

Your grasp of the obvious is truly remarkable.

Not Mary Cheney’s child.

Pablo said:
Do you realize that he was practicing law when the Constitution was adopted?

If he praticed law when he was 8, more power to him.

notsofast said:
Your grasp of the obvious is truly remarkable.

Well! people like you need further clarification.

juan said:
TPM:

“Bachmann (R-MN) also noted how slavery was a ’scourge’ on American history, but added that ‘we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.’

‘And,’ she continued, ‘I think it is high time that we recognize the contribution of our forbearers who worked tirelessly — men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country.’

It’s true — Adams became a vocal opponent of slavery, especially during his time in the House of Representatives. But Adams was not one of the founders, nor did he live to see the Emancipation Proclamation signed in 1863 (he died in 1848).”

Err- FYI: She didn’t say Adams was a FOUNDER nor FORBEARER. She actually said Adams was a FOREBEARER, and everything she said is correct.

You’re absolutely right, juan. The “founders worked tirelessly” is a little clunky, but it isn’t wrong, except for that they had to stop when they died. Can we get an editor on this piece?

Pablo said:
Do you realize that he was practicing law when the Constitution was adopted?

Keep digging! you just don’t know when to stop.

skyfet said:
Stop embarrassing yourself.

Take your own advice, loser!

jim bronson 990cc said:
If he praticed law when he was 8, more power to him.

If the Declaration and the Constitution were adopted at the same time, that would have been awesome. But they weren’t.

jim bronson 990cc said:
If he praticed law when he was 8, more power to him.

he was not 8 then

Pablo said:
If the Declaration and the Constitution were adopted at the same time, that would have been awesome. But they weren’t.

So your prior quote had nothing to do with the subject at hand. Thanks for the clarification.

notsofast said:
Take your own advice, loser!

Did I hurt your feelings? awwwwwwwwwwww

Right-wing revisionism at work yet again. When will you people stop changing history to meet your narrow minded views? FACT: Founding fathers owned slaves and many had no intention on ending the institution. Get angry if you want, but history and facts are on my side. Kiss my big BLACK ass, Bachmann.

Lord, protect us from the uneducated people that are elected to represent us. They lack a decent education and we are going to pay the price. Help the younger generation to pay attention in history class and to retain what they have learned. Amen

jim bronson 990cc says:
January 24, 2011 at 3:59 pm jim bronson 990cc(Quote)
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And she is being encouraged to run for POTUS? SCARY!!!

more than scary,it started with bush,been stupid is something great heeeeeew.

Pablo said:
Do you realize that he was practicing law when the Constitution was adopted?

jim bronson 990cc said:
If he praticed law when he was 8, more power to him.

JQA was 8 years old in 1787?

Baarahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Right-wing revisionism at work yet again. When will you people stop changing history to meet your narrow minded views? FACT: Founding fathers owned slaves and many had no intention on ending the institution. Get angry if you want, but history and facts are on my side. Kiss my big BLACK ass, Bachmann.

hey, child, slavery is over ! Mediaite said it!

Kiss my white ass, son.

notsofast said:
JQA was 8 years old in 1787?

Baarahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Gash still embarrassing yourself. You can’t count.

notsofast said:
hey, child, slavery is over ! Mediaite said it!

Kiss my white ass, son.

Have a nice day, child.

AngelPeters said:
They lack a decent education and we are going to pay the price.

Yeah, Barry’s 57 states was remarkable.

Do you think he was thinking of ketchup when he said that?

Sorry Bachmann, no they didn’t. While the majority of them never cared for slavery and knew one day it would go away but they knew in order to get the constitution ratified there had to be no mention of slavery in the document or the southern states would not agree to it. The Founding Fathers were not as a whole supporters of slavery but they could not be opponents of it either.

skyfet said:
Gash still embarrassing yourself. You can’t count.

Son, you thought JQA was 8 years old in 1787 like Bronson did.

You are so, so stupid, son!

notsofast said:
hey, child, slavery is over ! Mediaite said it!

Kiss my white ass, son.

You mean just your ass is white and the rest is orange?

jim bronson 990cc said:
So your prior quote had nothing to do with the subject at hand. Thanks for the clarification.

No, the founding is not limited to the Declaration. The framers the Constitution are considered Founding Fathers.

skyfet said:
You mean just your ass is white

As long as you have your tongue in it son, I don’t care, sweet pea!

notsofast said:
Son, you thought JQA was 8 years old in 1787 like Bronson did.

You are so, so stupid, son!

Nah, he was born in 1767, according to my math your bs maths doesn’t add up. Capiche?

Pablo said:
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juan said:
TPM:
“Bachmann (R-MN) also noted how slavery was a ’scourge’ on American history, but added that ‘we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.’
‘And,’ she continued, ‘I think it is high time that we recognize the contribution of our forbearers who worked tirelessly — men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country.’
It’s true — Adams became a vocal opponent of slavery, especially during his time in the House of Representatives. But Adams was not one of the founders, nor did he live to see the Emancipation Proclamation signed in 1863 (he died in 1848).”

Err- FYI: She didn’t say Adams was a FOUNDER nor FORBEARER. She actually said Adams was a FOREBEARER, and everything she said is correct.

You’re absolutely right, juan. The “founders worked tirelessly” is a little clunky, but it isn’t wrong, except for that they had to stop when they died. Can we get an editor on this piece?

Thanks, do you think they will correct it? Just saying . . . .

Pablo said:
No, the founding is not limited to the Declaration. The framers the Constitution are considered Founding Fathers.

Now, why would anyone consider the people who actually created our Govt. to be founders of the country?

I’m sure skyfet would not!

He considers the construction workers union to be the founding fathers.

MEDIAITE “ADAMS” LOGIC: if Barack dies before 2014, he had nothing to do w 30M people getting HC & didn’t “work tirelessly”??

skyfet said:
Nah, he was born in 1767, according to my math your bs maths doesn’t add up. Capiche?

LMAO!

You agreed with Bronson that JQA was 8 in 1787!

LOL

Pablo said:
Do you realize that he was practicing law when the Constitution was adopted?

skyfet said:
Keep digging! you just don’t know when to stop.

man, you are caught in yet another lie, sktfet!

You are a 4L- a lazy lying lib loser!

Jackyboy said:
Sorry Bachmann, no they didn’t. While the majority of them never cared for slavery and knew one day it would go away but they knew in order to get the constitution ratified there had to be no mention of slavery in the document or the southern states would not agree to it. The Founding Fathers were not as a whole supporters of slavery but they could not be opponents of it either.

Jackyboy, what is your opinion of this:

Let me tell you something. Do you know that you have been deceived and cheated? You have been told that this government was intended from the beginning for white men, and for white men exclusively; that the men who formed the Union and framed the Constitution designed the permanent exclusion of the colored people from the benefits of those institutions. Davis, Taney and Yancey, traitors at the south, have propagated this statement, while their copperhead echoes at the north have repeated the same. There never was a bolder or more wicked perversion of the truth of history. So far from this purpose was the mind and heart of your fathers, that they desired and expected the abolition of slavery. They framed the Constitution plainly with a view to the speedy downfall of slavery. They carefully excluded from the Constitution any and every word which could lead to the belief that they meant it for persons of only one complexion.

PoliticalPAW said:
MEDIAITE “ADAMS” LOGIC: if Barack dies before 2014, he had nothing to do w 30M people getting HC & didn’t “work tirelessly”??

So you do believe 30m people will be added, interesting. If that’s the case? why do you want to deny them care/ whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

I’m a liberal but I can also admit that there are lots of smart conservatives who can make excellent points and have good ideas. Michelle Bachmann just isn’t one of them. I really believe that having two parties with smart leadership (whether you agree with their beliefs or not) is the best. I support Obama, but I respect that not everyone does. I just wish people on the right would start paying attention to the people who are smart and make the best arguments for the best ideas rather than just those who are loudest.

Pablo said:
Jackyboy, what is your opinion of this:

My opinion is that it’s utter bullshit and history corroborates this.

Once, when I was in Corpus Christi, I saw a number of Floundering Fathers.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
My opinion is that it’s utter bullshit and history corroborates this.

Then get the hell out of Dodge, you pathetic whiner!

I have a bigger issue with her description of the Masonic pyramid on the back of the U.S. Dollar. Watch towards the end of the clip. But other than that, I got the point of what she was trying to say…

Another genius rising star in the conservative firmament. Falin/Bachmann 2012 is go for launch.

The Tea Weasel said:
The Tea Weasel says:
January 24, 2011 at 4:44 pm The Tea Weasel(Quote)
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The sanitarium called; your bed is ready.

notsofast said:
Then get the hell out of Dodge, you pathetic whiner!

I’ve noticed you’ve just discovered the word whiner, it’s embarrassing seeing it on every thread from you.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Right-wing revisionism at work yet again. When will you people stop changing history to meet your narrow minded views? FACT: Founding fathers owned slaves and many had no intention on ending the institution. Get angry if you want, but history and facts are on my side. Kiss my big BLACK ass, Bachmann.

TRL, I’d like your take on the quote in my 4:38 too.

writer said:
armwood, good news! Slavery is over!

COMRADES!!!

notsofast said:
The sanitarium called; your bed is ready.

A Seinfeld joke. How very 1995.

The Real Royal King said:
The Real Royal King says:
January 24, 2011 at 4:46 pm The Real Royal King(Quote)

Your rapid descent into irrelevance and banality was quick, warranted and quite enjoyable to watch.

Pablo said:
TRL, I’d like your take on the quote in my 4:38 too.

I already gave it, buddy. Let me guess; it’s from some obscure black leader or some statement you dug up from Obama, right?

The Tea Weasel – Another genius rising star in the conservative firmament. Falin/Bachmann 2012 is go for launch.

Do they have VALID birth certificates, or is that too much to ask? Too sexist?

Damn, I learned in middle school that it took almost ninety years and a costly civil war to abolish slavery. This is just another video that highlights the breathless ignorance of tea baggers (and unfortunately most conservatives, as well). It’s just a big montage of stupid now.

Pablo said:
Jackyboy, what is your opinion of this:

I wonder what the t/p and the GOP and the Conservative would call anyone who mention what Federick Douglas said in that quote. unnnnnnnnnnnn

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
My opinion is that it’s utter bullshit and history corroborates this.

Most folks would consider that quote to be a part of history. So do you think Frederick Douglass was lying or did he just not understand slavery and the Constitution? Me, I think the man was brilliant and a true American intellectual, and I think he nailed it.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
it’s from some obscure black leader

Translation: “An Uncle Tom who I disagree with.”

Hey child, people leave jobs because they don’t like the commute, othesr leave because they don’t like their boss, people change doctors because they don’t like his personality, but you do nothing but piss and moan about this country, and yet, as YOU would say, you keep your” big BLACK ass” here.

Why child?

Did they teach you about Frederick Douglass in history class, TRL?

skyfet said:
I wonder what the t/p and the GOP and the Conservative would call anyone who mention what Federick Douglas said in that quote. unnnnnnnnnnnn

I knew it.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I already gave it, buddy. Let me guess; it’s from some obscure black leader or some statement you dug up from Obama, right?

ROFL!!!

skyfet said:
I wonder what the t/p and the GOP and the Conservative would call anyone who mention what Federick Douglas said in that quote. unnnnnnnnnnnn

You and your lib friends would call him an Uncle Tom.

BTW, was Douglas 8 years old when he said that?

LOL

That Obama, always going on about the Copperheads!

Pablo said:
Most folks would consider that quote to be a part of history. So do you think Frederick Douglass was lying or did he just not understand slavery and the Constitution? Me, I think the man was brilliant and a true American intellectual, and I think he nailed it.

Me, I think he was brilliant too, but idealistic to the point of quixotic. Fact is his posr is, at the end of the day, bullshit. You can think these people were great moral men all you want to, but they were bigots who owned human beings at the end of the day and had no intention on letting the poor or other races in on running the country. Douglas doesn’t present any actual evidence in there. Now Charles Beard’s Economic Interpretation of the constitution provides the empirical evidence to support that. You can live in lala land or accept reality. Stop trying to revise history.

“Let me tell you something. Do you know that you have been deceived and cheated? You have been told that this government was intended from the beginning for white men, and for white men exclusively; that the men who formed the Union and framed the Constitution designed the permanent exclusion of the colored people from the benefits of those institutions. Davis, Taney and Yancey, traitors at the south, have propagated this statement, while their copperhead echoes at the north have repeated the same. There never was a bolder or more wicked perversion of the truth of history. So far from this purpose was the mind and heart of your fathers, that they desired and expected the abolition of slavery. They framed the Constitution plainly with a view to the speedy downfall of slavery. They carefully excluded from the Constitution any and every word which could lead to the belief that they meant it for persons of only one complexion.”

I agree with that, because it is the truth. Bachmann made it sound like the founders did not leave that convention until they knew slavery would never be, which is clearly not the case.

Let me tell you something. Do you know that you have been deceived and cheated? You have been told that this government was intended from the beginning for white men, and for white men exclusively; that the men who formed the Union and framed the Constitution designed the permanent exclusion of the colored people from the benefits of those institutions. Davis, Taney and Yancey, traitors at the south, have propagated this statement, while their copperhead echoes at the north have repeated the same. There never was a bolder or more wicked perversion of the truth of history. So far from this purpose was the mind and heart of your fathers, that they desired and expected the abolition of slavery. They framed the Constitution plainly with a view to the speedy downfall of slavery. They carefully excluded from the Constitution any and every word which could lead to the belief that they meant it for persons of only one complexion.

Great post, Pablo! Here’s another one from Douglass –
“The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.”

Hey child, people leave jobs because they don’t like the commute, othesr leave because they don’t like their boss, people change doctors because they don’t like his personality, but you do nothing but piss and moan about this country, and yet, as YOU would say, you keep your” big BLACK ass” here.

Why child?

Ok Lunatic notsostable. Your nemesis is back!!Fool did you miss me????
Anyways the hate you spew on this forum is mind-blowing. it is easy to type sh*t behind the safety, security and anonymity of your windows 95 computer. I wish you would bold enough to come say that BS somewhere in Harlem you reckless worthless piece of sh*t.

Pablo said:
Did they teach you about Frederick Douglass in history class, TRL?

Uh him, hyuk, naww, wes 2 bize learniatin how’s ta ply fa wellfair.

@notsofats…
Ok Lunatic notsostable. Your nemesis is back!!Fool did you miss me????
Anyways the hate you spew on this forum is mind-blowing. it is easy to type sh*t behind the safety, security and anonymity of your windows 95 computer. I wish you would bold enough to come say that BS somewhere in Harlem you reckless worthless piece of sh*t

Jackyboy said:
I agree with that, because it is the truth. Bachmann made it sound like the founders did not leave that convention until they knew slavery would never be, which is clearly not the case.

She didn’t say that, did she?

minorityreport said:
Ok Lunatic notsostable. Your nemesis is back!

LMAO

You are my nemesis?

you are but a mere fart in a hurricane, son!

Son, your hate is so palpable.

BTW, kiss my white ass!

minorityreport said:
I wish you would bold enough to come say that BS somewhere in Harlem you reckless worthless piece of sh*t

That sounds like a threat of violence, minorityreport. What would happen if he did?

Bachmann can be forgiven for mixing up her facts. It is very hard keeping up with historical facts if you have too much botox injections to your forehead like Bachmann. At some point, it begins to affect your brain. I guess tomorrow she would say that the Nazis worked tirelessly to keep the Jews alive in the 30s and 40s.
Her mouth can be used for a lot of stuff( e.g tossing salads and BJs) but saying something factual is not one of them!!!

minorityreport said:
I wish you would bold enough to come say that BS somewhere in Harlem you reckless worthless piece of sh*t

Why would I got to visit your overflowing sewer?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Uh him, hyuk, naww, wes 2 bize learniatin how’s ta ply fa wellfair.

That figures. They just don’t teach the important things anymore, like the great American role models. How the hell are you ever going to get a job or find a way to support yourself?

Little wonder that ass is so big.

notsofast said:
LMAO

You are my nemesis?

you are but a mere fart in a hurricane, son!

Son, your hate is so palpable.

BTW, kiss my white ass!

I would really love to kiss your ass but considering the logistical impossibility, I will pass. Besides I would need a GPS to find that white ass in the middle of crazy-town America.

minorityreport said:
I would really love to kiss your ass

See? I offer love and in return receive your lib hate.

Tsk, stk!

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Me, I think he was brilliant too, but idealistic to the point of quixotic.

Ah, so that’s why we still have slavery today. Old Fred Douglass, out there titling at windmills.

Pablo said:
Little wonder that ass is so big.

From sitting on it and blaming everyone and everything else for his failures.

The_Reasonable_Lib – You can live in lala land or accept reality. Stop trying to revise history.

If all you have is the race card, that’s pretty sad. You are an INDIVIDUAL, TRL, not some brainwashed COLLECTIVIST who only identifies with the color of one’s skin, are you? You do say you are “reasonable”, no?

Pablo said:
That sounds like a threat of violence, minorityreport. What would happen if he did?

A threat is saying “your white ass” would be a minority in 2045. A threat would be saying notsofast’s sister would refuse having sex with him later tonite. But a fact is that he cant talk that BS in front of black people. You dont need to be Niel Bohr to theorize that sh*t

minorityreport – I wish you would bold enough to come say that BS somewhere in Harlem you reckless worthless piece of sh*t

Sounds pretty racist to me. Why do you identify with skin color over the individual that God created you to be?

minorityreport said:
But a fact is that he cant talk that BS in front of black people.

Why not? What happens?

minorityreport

You want to see racism? Check out Media Take Out or worldwidehiphopallstars.com. “Whitey” and “Peckerwoods” are the least of your problems, my friend

Bachman is going the Sarah Palin way which does not require that what you say make any reasonable sense. That is not necessary. What is necessary is a selection of platitudes.

Some people would see rascism in a ham sandwich. It makes for a better excuse than personal accountability and personal responsibility

minorityreport said:
A threat is saying “your white ass” would be a minority in 2045.</blockquotE

LOL

How is that a threat, son?

valkyrie101 – Bachman is going the Sarah Palin way which does not require that what you say make any reasonable sense. That is not necessary. What is necessary is a selection of platitudes.

I can see your point. Bachmann could have spoken with more clarity

minorityreport said:
But a fact is that he cant talk that BS in front of black people.

So you are saying black people are violent.

MG, how racist.

Check out the writings of Booker T. Washington, a Great American

WOWWWWWW. Its is Sad that it is 2011 and some crackers just cant accept the fact that the tables are slowly but surely turning. The Chinese are doing better and taking all the white jobs and dollars, The East Indians are empowering themselves and making their lives better. The brazillians and Malyasians are doing the same. and a BLACK MAN IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I know this progress makes you guys sick to your stomach. Like the holy book says in Mathew 20:16″the first would be last and the last would be first”

It’s true, they would have all been dead by the time slavery ended. Unless they are Highlanders. They aren’t Highlanders, are they? Because that would change everything.

Bet her history teachers couldn’t be fired for the inaccurate teaching of American history because of tenure.

minorityreport said:
WOWWWWWW. Its is Sad that it is 2011 and some crackers just cant accept the fact that the tables are slowly but surely turning. The Chinese are doing better and taking all the white jobs and dollars, The East Indians are empowering themselves and making their lives better. The brazillians and Malyasians are doing the same. and a BLACK MAN IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I know this progress makes you guys sick to your stomach. Like the holy book says in Mathew 20:16″the first would be last and the last would be first”

man, you really do hate white people

notsofast said:
So you are saying black people are violent.

MG, how racist.

Black People Violent?????? Let me take you down memory lane on the history of violence you Low-IQ Retard. Killing of more than 6 million jews—-white people. Killing and raping of blacks during slavery—–white people. Extermination and genocide of the native Indians—white people.
NEED I SAY MORE?????/?

jooce81 said:
Thomas Jefferson was a founding father correct? just checkin…

Yes. He helped free his slaves from celibacy and from being childless.

minorityreport – Great spin in the end of your tribal diatribe using “Liberation Theology”. Taking and twisting Scripture to say what you want it to say, huh? The Pharisees did the same thing.

But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matt. 15:3

minorityreport – How ’bout the abortion genocide going on in the Black community? The deadly Black on Black crime that happens EVERYDAY in this country? The ethnic cleansings that continue throughout Africa to this day? Sudan? Rwanda? The Congo?

cjd ohio 1 said:
man, you really do hate white people

On the contrary, I do love white people(especially the beckys..LOL). Seriously!!
when I was growing up back home in Africa, We would see a white person on the streets and we would all run to them and show them so much love( Cos the TV and movies where the closest contact we had to seeing whites then). We would all show them respect and asked to help them in anyway possible. This is a tradition that was brought down to us by our ancestors right from the days of colonization. So when I came to North America, I thought that would be the same but damn was I wrong. I would be the first to say that I have met white people that have treated me better than even blacks and I am not dumb enough to day al whites are racists. but you have to agree that loons like notsofast gives the whole white race a bad name….LOLK
Just kidding I even have love for a neo-nazi lunatic like notsofast even though I feel he wishes he was born in the jim crow era so that he can tie a noose to a nig**r

BatBoy said:
Slavery is much more complex than what people think today.

This might be a good read on the subject:
Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White
By David Barton

Man I laughed!! David Barton, fundamentalist Christian and history revisionist 1st class. Friend of Glenn Beck.

I prefer actual historians thanks.

minorityreport – Nice sucker punch at the end of your statement. By the way, what is your point?
Some whites treat you nice, but most are racist “Crackers”? You like “becky”s”?

Are we “blue eyed devils”, also? Or just the one’s you disagree with?

CosmosDan – I prefer actual historians thanks

Such as Howard Zinn? Doris Kearns Goodwin? Skip Gates? David Brinkley’s son?
Totally unbiased lot, eh?

minorityreport said:
Black People Violent?????? Let me take you down memory lane on the history of violence you Low-IQ Retard. Killing of more than 6 million jews—-white people. Killing and raping of blacks during slavery—–white people. Extermination and genocide of the native Indians—white people.
NEED I SAY MORE?????/?

Hutus vs. Tutsis – white people! Bloods vs. Crips – white people! Darfur – white people!

Dsiscokid said:
minorityreport – How ’bout the abortion genocide going on in the Black community? The deadly Black on Black crime that happens EVERYDAY in this country? The ethnic cleansings that continue throughout Africa to this day? Sudan? Rwanda? The Congo?

Good Question!!! The abortion issue was initiated by the white progressives in the 20s to check and control the rising black population. The plan was to set up abortion clinics in black neighborhoods.
Black on black crime dates back to the Regan era when crack and guns was deliberately put in blkack neigborhoods so they can kill each other. Bigger prisons were built for those that survived the streets.
Most of the wars that begin in Africa has a white person benefitting from the genocide and ethnic killings. They provide the weapons, ammunitions etc to facilitate the killings. In turn they get blood diamonds, crude oil, etc
The world bank and IMF are white controlled institutions whose sole aim is to perpetuate economic slavery and poverty in Africa
CAN I KICK MORE KNOWLEDGE ??????

Pablo said:
Hutus vs. Tutsis – white people! Bloods vs. Crips – white people! Darfur – white people!

Hell yeahhhh!!!!! For every crime committed in this WORLD, there is a white person, business , corporation, institution or government BENEFITING from it
This is not an anecdote it is an empirical FACT

minorityreport said:

NEED I SAY MORE?????/?

Yes- you left out that you are a racist.

minorityreport said:
WOWWWWWW. Its is Sad that it is 2011 and some crackers just cant accept the fact that the tables are slowly but surely turning. The Chinese are doing better and taking all the white jobs and dollars, The East Indians are empowering themselves and making their lives better. The brazillians and Malyasians are doing the same. and a BLACK MAN IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I know this progress makes you guys sick to your stomach. Like the holy book says in Mathew 20:16″the first would be last and the last would be first”

Nah. What’s to worry about?

minorityreport said:
Hell yeahhhh!!!!! For every crime committed in this WORLD, there is a white person, business , corporation, institution or government BENEFITING from it
This is not an anecdote it is an empirical FACT

Really? Who is the white person who benefited from this, Mr. Fact? How did whitey clean up on this? What white son of a bitch lined his pockets with Kermit Gosnell?

minorityreport –
#1 – You’re correct about the Progressives in the 20th Century. One great progressive group, the NAACP, has sat back silently for generations as this atrocity has taken place. The grandchildren of those same Progressives now run the Democrat Party, our public schools, our colleges, our courts, and our gov’t
#2- Black on Black crime goes back to personal responsibility and accountability. The old “CIA BROUGHT CRACK TO ‘HOOD” account has been around since the ’80′s, but I doubt Reagan cooked it up and lit the pipe for folks. BTW- The cities with the highest murder per capita rate? DC, New Orleans, Detrioit…..
#3- African tribes have been at war with each other for centuries. No doubt greed and sin from all types of ethnic groups have manifested itself on that beautiful continent. Look up “Arab Slave Trade” and see that slaves weren’t ONLY brought to North America. Google “The Lost Boys of Sudan” also. BTW- How did Whites get slaves? From other African tribes, who sold prisoners and POW’s from other tribes to them. It’s sad and sickening on BOTH ENDS, Black and White….

notsofast said:
Yes- you left out that you are a racist.

That pretty much goes without saying.

What white son of a bitch lined his pockets with Kermit Gosnell?

Thanks for reminding me, Pablo. The mad is a genocidal maniac.

Hurry, keep copying and pasting as much info as you can…….

One great progressive group, the NAACP, has sat back silently for generations as this atrocity has taken place. The grandchildren of those same Progressives now run the Democrat Party, our public schools, our colleges, our courts, and our gov’t

Correction- Progressives ALL stripes, not just the NAACP (BTW who were founded by whites, just like the Nation of Islam. Google – W. Faud, who impacted Elijah Muhammed in Detriot back in the ’30′s

1…….2…….3…….4…..5…..6….7….8…..9…..10……ring the bell, it’s over

notsofast said:
Yes- you left out that you are a racist.

CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH ( with Jack Nicholson’s voice) hahahahahahaha
Did you forget I said I love white people? Hell yeah am grateful to white people. White people created a lot of things that have made this world a better place. Notably burgers, macaroni, cars (that we blacks put spinners on..lmao), guns, weapons(chemical and biological), etc

Dsiscokid said:
CosmosDan – I prefer actual historians thanks

Such as Howard Zinn? Doris Kearns Goodwin? Skip Gates? David Brinkley’s son?
Totally unbiased lot, eh?

Never said that. But David Barton is not a historian and his bias and agenda is pretty dam obvious.

Jesus Christ, who wasn’t Black or White, gave his life for all who would believe on Him for Salvation. He and His Word are the only things that can unite us in Spirit and truth (John 4:23,24)

Dsiscokid said:
Jesus Christ, who wasn’t Black or White, gave his life for all who would believe on Him for Salvation. He and His Word are the only things that can unite us in Spirit and truth (John 4:23,24)

Well that or Buddhism. Which is basically the same principles, taught 500 years before Jesus showed up.

notsofast said:
JQA was 8 years old in 1787? Baarahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Where did I say that?

Pablo said:
Really? Who is the white person who benefited from this, Mr. Fact? How did whitey clean up on this? What white son of a bitch lined his pockets with Kermit Gosnell?

Next time you go on goggle to search for black crimes, please check for columbine(http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/), Loughner, david duke, charles mason, btk killer

CosmosDan – Never said that

But you were implying that Barton is wrong about history he researches and the others don’t? Every info. he has is documented. Every human being on earth is subjective in one way or another. I can learn a lot from any of them and do my own research behind them. “Trust, but verify”

Pablo said:
Do you realize that he was practicing law when the Constitution was adopted?

FYI, he was not admitted to the bar until 1791. While he was an apprentice, he was not practicing law!

CosmosDan – Well that or Buddhism. Which is basically the same principles, taught 500 years before Jesus showed up.

You mean Buddism, which show up centuries AFTER Judaism? That Buddism? Jesus Christ was prophesied to come to redeem mankind as early as the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:15)

It appears that Bachmann has suffered a massive stroke.

Somewhere on this earth there are tombs where the bones and remains of The Buddha, Mohammed, Joseph Smith, Charles Tate, and many other “christs” are still sitting. I CAN take you to an empty tomb where the Son of God was raised from the dead nearly 2000 years ago and He STILL LIVES……

minorityreport said:
Next time you go on goggle to search for black crimes, please check for columbine(http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/), Loughner, david duke, charles mason, btk killer

So you’re not going to answer the questions, Mr. Fact? Why not? I was hoping for some of those empirical FACTS you were telling us about.

BTW, no Google necessary for any of that. That stuff tends to leave an impression on a guy. Do you see any of that stuff when you Google “black crime”? I don’t.

Dsiscokid said:
Somewhere on this earth there are tombs where the bones and remains of The Buddha, Mohammed, Joseph Smith, Charles Tate, and many other “christs” are still sitting. I CAN take you to an empty tomb where the Son of God was raised from the dead nearly 2000 years ago and He STILL LIVES……

Who raised him from the dead?

What cracked me up was Bachman being so proud that our came from all over, from different cultures and different languages and it didn’t matter what color your skin was….. It didn’t.? Really

Granted black people came here by ship but their trip here was quite different wasn’t it? Where were the black founding father’s and the Asian founding fathers? Isn’t it nice that native Americans were included equally as part of our founding. I mean com-on.

I believe there were founding fathers who looked forward to the end of slavery but her overstatement is just a gross distortion or profound stupidity.

God the Father raised God the Son by God the Holy Spirit

1 times 1 times 1 = what, jim bronson 990cc ?

Genesis 1:26, 1 John 5:7

correction – God the Holy Spirit

That would be 1. So you are telling me there is some sort of Sybil complex going on here?

CosmosDan – I agree that Bachmann was painting with a very big brush, considering the earliest settler’s were from England, France, Spain, Portugal, and the Dutch. Some were indentured servants, some were Christian missionaries, some were out and out mercenaries. Some of the Natives were peaceful tribes, some were savages.

Dsiscokid said:
valkyrie101 – Bachman is going the Sarah Palin way which does not require that what you say make any reasonable sense. That is not necessary. What is necessary is a selection of platitudes. I can see your point. Bachmann could have spoken with more clarity

She is an excellent spokesperson for the tea party right, and a bona fide presidential candidate, assuming Sarah does not run. In other words, she is the republicans worst nightmare.

jim bronson 990cc

20-For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21-Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22-Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Romans 1:20-22

An articulate, attractive, energenic, uncompromising nightmare.

valkyrie101 – She is an excellent spokesperson for the tea party right, and a bona fide presidential candidate, assuming Sarah does not run. In other words, she is the republicans worst nightmare.

I’m actually not opposed to a 3rd Party in ’12. I’d rather vote my conscience rather than “waste a vote on the lesser of 2 evils”

Dsiscokid said:
jim bronson 990cc 20-For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21-Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22-Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Romans 1:20-22

Your Genesis passage has no mention of specific identities and your John passage has no mention of a son. So where did you get this idea from?

Dsiscokid said:
I’m actually not opposed to a 3rd Party in ‘12. I’d rather vote my conscience rather than “waste a vote on the lesser of 2 evils”

That is the only way. And Bachman is willing to go there.

Gen. 1:26 – “.. Let US make man in OUR image” (my CAPS)
Read John 1:1 in context with 1 John 5:7
Also John 10:30 – “I and my Father are one” – the Pharisees tried to kill Jesus on the spot for that one

valkyrie101 – That is the only way. And Bachman is willing to go there.

I’m not saying I’d vote for her. I admire her fearlessness, though. In a country as vast as ours, and as “diverse” (liberal term) as we are, why is there only 2 major parties that “represent” us? I’d love to see more viable parties/individuals make a serious run.

CosmosDan said:
Never said that. But David Barton is not a historian and his bias and agenda is pretty dam obvious.

She’s one HOT crazy b***h.

Dsiscokid said:
Gen. 1:26 – “.. Let US make man in OUR image” (my CAPS)Read John 1:1 in context with 1 John 5:7Also John 10:30 – “I and my Father are one” – the Pharisees tried to kill Jesus on the spot for that one

So if he is 3 in 1, as you say, then he did not really die, did he? After all, you would have to kill all 3 parts, wouldn’t you?

Dsiscokid said:
valkyrie101 – That is the only way. And Bachman is willing to go there. I’m not saying I’d vote for her. I admire her fearlessness, though. In a country as vast as ours, and as “diverse” (liberal term) as we are, why is there only 2 major parties that “represent” us? I’d love to see more viable parties/individuals make a serious run.

The tea party needs a barach obama figure.

jim bronson 990cc

Matthew 22:41-46-
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

Jesus is refering to Psalm 110

Check out 1 Corinthians 1:18-25 also

jim bronson 990cc said:
So if he is 3 in 1, as you say, then he did not really die, did he? After all, you would have to kill all 3 parts, wouldn’t you?

That is unimpeachable logic.

valkyrie101 – I remember Allen Keyes in 2000. Regardless of how one feels about the man, he came across as a man of conviction. Ross Perot in ’92 (what I remember about him). Perhaps Rand Paul in a few years? I really don’t know

Dsiscokid said:
But you were implying that Barton is wrong about history he researches and the others don’t?

That’s what I’m implying alright. Barton is far more biased tan accredited historians and criticized by them on a regular basis for allowing his agenda to overshadow the discipline of historical accuracy.

Writing in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, (then Republican) Senator Arlen Specter stated:

Probably the best refutation of Barton’s argument simply is to quote his own exegesis of the First Amendment: “Today,” Barton says, “we would best understand the actual context of the First Amendment by saying, ‘Congress shall make no law establishing one Christian denomination as the national denomination.

The Texas Monthly noted[1] that Barton has denied saying that in his famous letter to the Danbury Baptists[35] “Jefferson referred to the wall of separation between church and state as ‘one-directional’—that is, it was meant to restrain government from infringing on the church’s domain but not the other way around. There is no such language in the letter.” The article goes on to note that this denial is contradicted by a 1990 version of Barton’s video America’s Godly Heritage in which Barton states:
“ On January 1, 1802, Jefferson wrote to that group of Danbury Baptists, and in this letter, he assured them—he said the First Amendment has erected a wall of separation between church and state, he said, but that wall is a one-directional wall. It keeps the government from running the church, but it makes sure that Christian principles will always stay in government.

In fact since both Beck and Barton have referred to Bachman as a fine Christian woman I’m not surprised that she spouts this version of Barton’s inaccurate revisionist history.

Here’s a view from a Christian who is concerned about the inaccuracy , noting that she’s been hearing more of Barton’s revisionist history at Tea Party rallys.
http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/julieingersoll/3078/glenn_beck%E2%80%99s_history_%E2%80%9Cprofessor%E2%80%9D_david_barton_on_racism_and_the_three-fifths_rule
Barton is a political activist pretending to be a historian.

Luke 10:27
And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Are not humans essentially body, mind, and soul? 3 in 1? Are not Christians called to love God and our neighbors? (I know I need help with loving my neighbors as I love myself!)

Dsiscokid said:
Somewhere on this earth there are tombs where the bones and remains of The Buddha, Mohammed, Joseph Smith, Charles Tate, and many other “christs” are still sitting. I CAN take you to an empty tomb where the Son of God was raised from the dead nearly 2000 years ago and He STILL LIVES……

You can take me to a tomb and make that claim, and have absolutely no evidence to back it up.

CosmosDan – Thanks for the research, I’ll check on that (for real!)

As far as “The separation of church and state” statement, the letter to the Danbury Baptist Church is the only place you’ll find that reference, correct? It’s not in the Constitution, right?

Dsiscokid said:
CosmosDan – Thanks for the research, I’ll check on that (for real!) As far as “The separation of church and state” statement, the letter to the Danbury Baptist Church is the only place you’ll find that reference, correct? It’s not in the Constitution, right?

Madison was also a beliver in that principle, though he never said those exact words.

jim bronson 990cc said:
Who raised him from the dead?

Glad you asked. According to the movie “Man From Earth” Jesus was a man who had discovered thousands of years ago that he had perfect tissue regeneration, causing him to not get sick, not scar , and not age.
He had studied with Buddha for years and then moved on. Hundreds of years later he shared Buddha’s teachings with the people of Galilee. He faked his death after being crucified so he could leave the area. Unfortunately he was seen by some followers after leaving the tomb and…..a legend and religion was born.

I think it’s my favorite version

Dsiscokid said:
jim bronson 990cc Matthew 22:41-46-41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?46And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions. Jesus is refering to Psalm 110 Check out 1 Corinthians 1:18-25 also

As no one has been able to answer how a 450 ft. barge held together with nothing but tar was able to survive many months in open water, maintain structural integrity, hold enough supplies to last the journey, clear out the refuse for humans and animals on board, and house vegatation, as well.

CosmosDan said:
Glad you asked. According to the movie “Man From Earth” Jesus was a man who had discovered thousands of years ago that he had perfect tissue regeneration, causing him to not get sick, not scar , and not age.He had studied with Buddha for years and then moved on. Hundreds of years later he shared Buddha’s teachings with the people of Galilee. He faked his death after being crucified so he could leave the area. Unfortunately he was seen by some followers after leaving the tomb and…..a legend and religion was born. I think it’s my favorite version

Well, otherwise it sounds like a bad zombie movie.

Dsiscokid said:
You mean Buddism, which show up centuries AFTER Judaism? That Buddism?

Well yeah. The Judaism that still doesn’t accept Jesus as the Messiah. That Judaism

The fact is that the teachings of Jesus and Buddha about how we live with each other in the world, are remarkably similar.

jim bronson 990cc said:
Where did I say that?

Right here, son!

Pablo said:
Do you realize that he was practicing law when the Constitution was adopted?

jim bronson 990cc said:
If he praticed law when he was 8, more power to him.

That’s where you said it.

valkyrie101 said:
An articulate, attractive, energenic, uncompromising nightmare.

Don’t forget pathological liar with crazy eyes.

Dsiscokid said:
CosmosDan – Thanks for the research, I’ll check on that (for real!) As far as “The separation of church and state” statement, the letter to the Danbury Baptist Church is the only place you’ll find that reference, correct? It’s not in the Constitution, right?

BTW, I take it back. Google Madison church and state and you will find he did use those exact words in a letter to Robert Walsh dated March 2, 1819.

CosmosDan – You can take me to a tomb and make that claim, and have absolutely no evidence to back it up.

I got a King James Bible , archeological history, extra- biblical history, and millions of innocent martyrs who were persecuted (and still are worldwide) for the fact that Jesus of Nazareth conquered death, Hell, and the grave. Do you believe that the disciples/apostles died for a lie? They (and 500 of their closest friend) dwelt with Jesus for 40 day AFTER the Resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:1-11)

It comes down to this- Either Jesus Christ is who He says He is (which I believe and know to be true) or He was the biggest con-artist in the history of mankind. Is He Lord or a liar? “He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?” (Matt. 16:15)

notsofast said:
Right here, son! That’s where you said it.

Funny, I do not see any where in that statement where I said he was 8 in 1787. I do know the prior statement from Pablo was incorrect.

Dsiscokid said:
(I know I need help with loving my neighbors as I love myself!)

me too………Someone has to hold them down.

Dsiscokid said:
CosmosDan – You can take me to a tomb and make that claim, and have absolutely no evidence to back it up. I got a King James Bible , archeological history, extra- biblical history, and millions of innocent martyrs who were persecuted (and still are worldwide) for the fact that Jesus of Nazareth conquered death, Hell, and the grave. Do you believe that the disciples/apostles died for a lie? They (and 500 of their closest friend) dwelt with Jesus for 40 day AFTER the Resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:1-11) It comes down to this- Either Jesus Christ is who He says He is (which I believe and know to be true) or He was the biggest con-artist in the history of mankind. Is He Lord or a liar? “He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?” (Matt. 16:15)

I do know there are many books left out of what is referred to as the bible. At best, it is a manipulated document. At worst, it is a terrific collecting of moral fables, some of which have a historical reference. To call it divine is too big a leap of faith for me. After all, I would have to believe the sun revolves around the earth, instead of vice versa.
Joshua 10

jim bronson 990cc said:
Well, otherwise it sounds like a bad zombie movie.

LOL!! It’s only interesting to some. He was presented as a genetic anomaly He’s a professor who is leaving his position and tells his fellow professors his story. Our bodies do regenerate and replace tissue. His just was perfect at it. He had developed a pattern of living somewhere until people started to wonder why he didn’t seem to look older, and then moved on. At first they think he’s just joking but then they begin to worry about his sanity. One woman gets very upset that he’s pretending he was Jesus. BLASPHEMY!!!

jim bronson 990cc – As no one has been able to answer how a 450 ft. barge held together with nothing but tar was able to survive many months in open water, maintain structural integrity, hold enough supplies to last the journey, clear out the refuse for humans and animals on board, and house vegatation, as well.

Noah’s Ark was three stories high (Genesis 6:16). Its total deck area was equivalent to the area of about 20 standard college basketball courts or 36 lawn tennis courts. As you read Genesis 6 – 8 you’ll notice the animals were two and two by their “kind” not their species. Most animals on the earth are in the sea and most animals on the earth are insects. Plenty of room on the Ark. I sure it smelled pretty bad, though :)

skyfet said:
My gash!

Nobody wants to hear about your gash.

Dsiscokid said:
jim bronson 990cc – As no one has been able to answer how a 450 ft. barge held together with nothing but tar was able to survive many months in open water, maintain structural integrity, hold enough supplies to last the journey, clear out the refuse for humans and animals on board, and house vegatation, as well. Noah’s Ark was three stories high (Genesis 6:16). Its total deck area was equivalent to the area of about 20 standard college basketball courts or 36 lawn tennis courts. As you read Genesis 6 – 8 you’ll notice the animals were two and two by their “kind” not their species. Most animals on the earth are in the sea and most animals on the earth are insects. Plenty of room on the Ark. I sure it smelled pretty bad, though :)

I rather doubt that is enough to hold the food, let alone the animals. However, you have forgotten fish. There are fish that live only in fresh water. Was the flood strictly salt water, as one experiences in the ocean? Not to mention it would take several decades to build, using nothing but hand tools.
Awfully big holes in that argument!

Dsiscokid said:
CosmosDan – Thanks for the research, I’ll check on that (for real!)

As far as “The separation of church and state” statement, the letter to the Danbury Baptist Church is the only place you’ll find that reference, correct? It’s not in the Constitution, right?

That’s right, but I think with Jefferson’s words in that letter , and evidently Madison’s {thanks jim} I think it’s clear that’s what they meant. I consider it extremely significant that even though the founders were predominantly Christian , with several deists, the Declaration barely mentions God, and the Constitution which is the real basis for our laws, doesn’t mention God at all.

IMO, those like Barton who try to claim we were intended to be a Christian nation are imposing their personal wishes on the facts. That’s not history.

CosmosDan said:
That’s right, but I think with Jefferson’s words in that letter , and evidently Madison’s {thanks jim} I think it’s clear that’s what they meant. I consider it extremely significant that even though the founders were predominantly Christian , with several deists, the Declaration barely mentions God, and the Constitution which is the real basis for our laws, doesn’t mention God at all. IMO, those like Barton who try to claim we were intended to be a Christian nation are imposing their personal wishes on the facts. That’s not history.

Well it wasn’t like these guys hung out with a bunch of Buddhaists, Shinto followers, Hindus, Jews, Muslims…fill in the blank.

jim bronson 990cc said:
And she is being encouraged to run for POTUS? SCARY!!!

So true. You have to have a knowledge of the history of the 57 states (not including Alaska and Hawaii) to be POTUS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Powerslave said:
So true. You have to have a knowledge of the history of the 57 states (not including Alaska and Hawaii) to be POTUS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

Quite a bit of difference between a comment made during a long campaign and one which the speaker had time to prepare.

jim bronson 990cc said:
Don’t parents usually meet before a child is born?

Ask Obama, lol (hint…the Selma reference)

jim bronson 990cc – I do know there are many books left out of what is referred to as the bible. At best, it is a manipulated document. At worst, it is a terrific collecting of moral fables, some of which have a historical reference. To call it divine is too big a leap of faith for me. After all, I would have to believe the sun revolves around the earth, instead of vice versa.
Joshua 10

Which books were left out? Was Constantine greater than God? Or the Counsel of Nicea the final authority? Or the Roman Catholic Church? I’ll agree with you, man has tried to corrupt, manipulate, distort and destroy God’s Word for centuries. But God has the power to preserve His Word – Psalm 119:89- “For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.”

jim bronson 990cc said:
Quite a bit of difference between a comment made during a long campaign and one which the speaker had time to prepare.

I respect your opinion.

jim bronson 990cc said:
And she is being encouraged to run for POTUS? SCARY!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BnLozS-TnM

“Providence has given our people the choice of their rulers,
and it is the duty, as well as privilege and interest,
of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” John Jay, 1st Chief Justice, U.S. Supreme Court

jim bronson 990cc , CosmosDan, care to comment?

I have no love for Bachmann, I’m playing Devil’s advocate on this one. My point is that we could go back and forth on this issue showing stupid things members of both sides have said over the course of history. It’s an excercise in futility.

It’s the equivalent of posters here at Mediaite attacking each other for spelling and grammar errors.

Oooooh! 209 comments and counting!
Mediaite has found another goldmine conservative to bash, to help drive traffic.

jim bronson 990cc – Not to mention it would take several decades to build, using nothing but hand tools.
It did. In 120 years (Gen. 6:3), with 3 sons to help and God’s blueprint to go by, they built the ark.

Dsiscokid said:
CosmosDan – You can take me to a tomb and make that claim, and have absolutely no evidence to back it up.

I got a King James Bible , archeological history, extra- biblical history, and millions of innocent martyrs who were persecuted (and still are worldwide) for the fact that Jesus of Nazareth conquered death, Hell, and the grave. Do you believe that the disciples/apostles died for a lie? They (and 500 of their closest friend) dwelt with Jesus for 40 day AFTER the Resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:1-11)

It comes down to this- Either Jesus Christ is who He says He is (which I believe and know to be true) or He was the biggest con-artist in the history of mankind. Is He Lord or a liar? “He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?” (Matt. 16:15)

Honest, I’m not trying to knock Christianity or your personal beliefs. Believe what you will. It’s just that there’s a big difference between religious traditions and facts, and if we truly care about the truth, we ought to understand that. The Bible is not a historical document and IMO was never intended to be, so believing it is is a personal choice of faith, but not a fact.

and it’s really not about whether Jesus was exactly what you believe or a con artist. That’s just a popular argument that doesn’t hold water. There are a whole host of variables that are possible other than those two.

Powerslave said:
Nobody wants to hear about your gash.

That’s right. If you don’t have pictures then please shut up.

CosmosDan – I sincerely don’t believe that you mean to intentially offend, but that is the central most question for any human being to answer. Who is Jesus Christ? He is either Lord or he is not? There is no middle ground or compromise on this particular question.

CosmosDan – On a side note, notice how that as a Christian fundamentalist I’m not threatening your life or attempting to decapitate you or trying to kill non-believer’s……unlike man-made religions

Dsiscokid said:
jim bronson 990cc – I do know there are many books left out of what is referred to as the bible. At best, it is a manipulated document. At worst, it is a terrific collecting of moral fables, some of which have a historical reference. To call it divine is too big a leap of faith for me. After all, I would have to believe the sun revolves around the earth, instead of vice versa.Joshua 10 Which books were left out? Was Constantine greater than God? Or the Counsel of Nicea the final authority? Or the Roman Catholic Church? I’ll agree with you, man has tried to corrupt, manipulate, distort and destroy God’s Word for centuries. But God has the power to preserve His Word – Psalm 119:89- “For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.”

Entire gospels have been left out. The gospel of Judas. The gospel of Thomas. The gospel of Peter. The gospel of Mary.

Dsiscokid said:
“Providence has given our people the choice of their rulers,and it is the duty, as well as privilege and interest,of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” John Jay, 1st Chief Justice, U.S. Supreme Court jim bronson 990cc , CosmosDan, care to comment?

Rather a different time, don’t you think? What is in the heart, should be more important than the label on the cover.

Dsiscokid said:
jim bronson 990cc – Not to mention it would take several decades to build, using nothing but hand tools.It did. In 120 years (Gen. 6:3), with 3 sons to help and God’s blueprint to go by, they built the ark.

If you think you can replicate, go for it. Otherwise, it is so much hot air.

Actually it’s not true that All Americans were considered “the same” upon arrival initially. You weren’t even considered a citizen unless you were a white male over 21 who owned property at the beginning of this little experiment called America. Even CATHOLICS weren’t considered WHITE, they were PAPISTS.

It was not our FOUNDERS or even our LEADERS that allowed those who weren’t simply white males over 21 who owned property to be considered Americans, it was the while of the people and long fought battles against the powers that be until the powers that be could no longer resist change and allowed the privileges of the Constitution to be extended to an every growing list of Americans.

And as far as John Quincy Adams is concerned, Michelle Bachmann is probably thinking about the movie Amistad. He didn’t strike down slavery, he simply sided with a slave in a court case. Michelle, you need to stop learning about history through movies and actually read a few books about abolitionists, suffragettes, African American civil rights activists, women’s rights activists, AIM, and a multitude of other groups that WERE TRULY responsible for the blessings of liberty to be extended to ourselves and our posterity. You can’t keep hiding behind FOUNDING FATHERS just to suit your rhetoric and you’re need to be the typical Right Wing revisionist–that’s Glenn Beck’s job to make up sh!t to fit his full of holes arguments.

The Real Royal King said:
Representative Bachmann is simply brilliant. Washington lived until age 133, Adams to 130, Jefferson to 122 and Franklin to 160 just to be able to free the slaves.

As far as the Right is concerned the Founding Fathers are interchangeable with characters from scriptures and the Bible (that they haven’t read) is interchangeable with the Constitution (they’ve never read). It covers the basis of both reactionary groups that they need pander to–the Religious Right and the Tea Party who are morphing into one in the same.

In other words, the Tea Party are the reanimation, but instead of hiding their irrational fear and willful ignorance behind the Bible (they’ve never read) and Jesus like the Religious Right does, the Tea Party hides their irrational fear and willful ignorance behind a Constiution (they’ve never read) and the Founding Fathers. With Bachmann it all depends on the crowd she’s talking to that determines who words or deeds she is going misappropriate to defend failed policies. And even if the deeds of those she’s misappropriating don’t actually match up with what she is saying, she just acts like they do.

Still, it’s a troubling trend amongst the crazy Right that they feel the need to rewrite the history of slavery ALL OF THE SUDDEN. Between Santorum and now Bachmann poorly using allusions to slavery to support their otherwise poor rhetoric. Face it fake conservative goon squad, the likes of Santorum and Bachmann would not have been amongst those who fought to end slavery just like the people who currently support their party are the ones who are the bulk of reactionaries who to this day resisted the Civil Rights legislation of the last 40 years (yes, those DIXIECRATS are almost all now REPUBLICANS).

There’s a difference between REACTIONARIES and CIVIL RIGHT ACTIVISTS. Stop confusing the two.

*reanimation of the Religious Right

Dsiscokid said:
Which books were left out? Was Constantine greater than God? Or the Counsel of Nicea the final authority? Or the Roman Catholic Church? I’ll agree with you, man has tried to corrupt, manipulate, distort and destroy God’s Word for centuries. But God has the power to preserve His Word – Psalm 119:89- “For ever, O Lord, thy word is settled in heaven.”

There were lots of writings being circulated at the time, and it was men who got together and decided which writings would be officially called canon. Add to that that Biblical scholars now have thousands of copies of the books of the NT in several languages and no two are exactly alike.

I have 2 major problems with “God has the power to preserve his word”
1. That assumes the Bible was God’s plan but there is nothing to indicate that’s true. There is no prophecy or commandment or anything indicating there was supposed to be one final inclusive authoritative compilation of writings.
2. An omnipotent God would also have the power to end all strife, war, and sickness, and suffering, and mans astounding cruelty to his fellow man. When questioned about that Christians often point to man’s free will. Yet when it comes to altering the Bible or choosing which books are scripture, man’s free will is quickly abandoned. It’s an astoundingly self contradicting argument.

jim bronson 990cc – Entire gospels have been left out. The gospel of Judas. The gospel of Thomas. The gospel of Peter. The gospel of Mary.

Of which those counterfeits (along with many more other “gospels”) contradict what was in the Old Testament primarily and were not first-hand, eye witness accounts like Matt., Mark, Luke, and John. Dan Brown has made a fortune in fiction writing around these “hidden gospels”

Dsiscokid said:
jim bronson 990cc – Entire gospels have been left out. The gospel of Judas. The gospel of Thomas. The gospel of Peter. The gospel of Mary. Of which those counterfeits (along with many more other “gospels”) contradict what was in the Old Testament primarily and were not first-hand, eye witness accounts like Matt., Mark, Luke, and John. Dan Brown has made a fortune in fiction writing around these “hidden gospels”

ANd there are items in the NT that contradict what is in hte OT. You argue against yourself. Do not call what is put before you unclean. Acts 11

OxyCon said:
no did she release her economic plan – “making stuff and selling stuff”.

Actually Michelle Bachmann’s economic plan is that everyone should live off of the $250,000 in federal farm subsidies that her family lived off of. Because, according to not only Bachmann poor understanding of history but her poor understanding of economics, you have to be a SOCIALIST (like her dad was) to know how bad it is.

Dsiscokid said:
jim bronson 990cc – Entire gospels have been left out. The gospel of Judas. The gospel of Thomas. The gospel of Peter. The gospel of Mary. Of which those counterfeits (along with many more other “gospels”) contradict what was in the Old Testament primarily and were not first-hand, eye witness accounts like Matt., Mark, Luke, and John. Dan Brown has made a fortune in fiction writing around these “hidden gospels”

BTW, simply untrue. I believe Mark has Jesus going up the mountain and Luke down for the beatitudes.

CosmosDan – Answers to your comments

#1- Revelation 22:18,19 – For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
This is in reference to the Book of Revelation particularly, but refers to the entire canon of Scripture broadly

#2- Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

God is not through yet!

Dsiscokid said:
CosmosDan – I sincerely don’t believe that you mean to intentially offend, but that is the central most question for any human being to answer. Who is Jesus Christ? He is either Lord or he is not? There is no middle ground or compromise on this particular question.

That’s not even correct according to the words attributed to him in the NT. Mat 7:21

Dsiscokid said:
CosmosDan – Answers to your comments #1- Revelation 22:18,19 – For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.This is in reference to the Book of Revelation particularly, but refers to the entire canon of Scripture broadly #2- Isaiah 55:8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. God is not through yet!

HHHHHHMMMMMM, sounds awfully vindictive, don’t you think?

CosmosDan said:
Here’s a view from a Christian who is concerned about the inaccuracy , noting that she’s been hearing more of Barton’s revisionist history at Tea Party rallys.
http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/julieingersoll/3078/glenn_beck%E2%80%99s_history_%E2%80%9Cprofessor%E2%80%9D_david_barton_on_racism_and_the_three-fifths_rule
Barton is a political activist pretending to be a historian.

So, in other words, Michelle Bachman like Rick Santorum are both graduates of the Glenn Beck University–a degree that prepares you to make up sh!t as you go along and maybe some mid-supervisory role in the janitorial arts.

jim bronson 990cc – Do not call what is put before you unclean. Acts 11
I’m glad you brought Acts up! Acts is a transition book from the O.T. Law and the N.T. Church. How would these Jews and Gentiles come together with a common purpose and cause? Take time and read the whole book.

P.S.- Peter had been raised as Law-keeping Jew his whole life and falsely believed that he shouldn’t deal with Gentiles. Read what Peter said about the whole incident in Acts 15:7- 15

7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they

Dsiscokid said:
CosmosDan – On a side note, notice how that as a Christian fundamentalist I’m not threatening your life or attempting to decapitate you or trying to kill non-believer’s……unlike man-made religions

Seriously? Christians haven’t killed people? I’m afraid you don’t have a leg to stand on there. We only have to go as far back as the fundamentalist who assassinated Dr George Tiller.

Dsiscokid said:
CosmosDan – On a side note, notice how that as a Christian fundamentalist I’m not threatening your life or attempting to decapitate you or trying to kill non-believer’s……unlike man-made religions

and ALL religions are man made.

CosmosDan said:
That’s right. If you don’t have pictures then please shut up.

LOL. ;)

Dsiscokid said:
jim bronson 990cc – Do not call what is put before you unclean. Acts 11I’m glad you brought Acts up! Acts is a transition book from the O.T. Law and the N.T. Church. How would these Jews and Gentiles come together with a common purpose and cause? Take time and read the whole book. P.S.- Peter had been raised as Law-keeping Jew his whole life and falsely believed that he shouldn’t deal with Gentiles. Read what Peter said about the whole incident in Acts 15:7- 15 7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they

Sorry, does not address the issue!

jim bronson 990cc – HHHHHHMMMMMM, sounds awfully vindictive, don’t you think?

Not at all. God is perfectly holy, perfectly just in His dealings with man, and perfectly merciful!
That why Jesus came to give His life as the penalty for sin. John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

CosmosDan – First things first…..
Keep reading the passage you quoted in Matt. 7:21. He was addressing those who “professed” to know him by their own “works” in His Name’

As far as Christians killing, sure, Christians have committed sin’s. I do not agree with Tiller’s murder, even though he was, for all intents and purposes, a mass murderer himself. My point was that I’ve seen very few Bible-believing Christians committing “holy wars” against non-believer’s like certain religious groups, whether they believe in a god, government, or ideology……

jim bronson 990cc – How does my point address your issue?

Dsiscokid said:
“Providence has given our people the choice of their rulers,
and it is the duty, as well as privilege and interest,
of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” John Jay, 1st Chief Justice, U.S. Supreme Court

jim bronson 990cc , CosmosDan, care to comment?

What is there to comment on. An opinion? No doubt some people thought we were and should remain a Christian nation, just as some do now. It’s just opinion.

Dsiscokid said:
jim bronson 990cc – HHHHHHMMMMMM, sounds awfully vindictive, don’t you think? Not at all. God is perfectly holy, perfectly just in His dealings with man, and perfectly merciful!That why Jesus came to give His life as the penalty for sin. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Perfectly holy? And Ehud Smote the Philistine king until the maggots did run out:
Judges 3:20-22

CosmosDan – and ALL religions are man made.

Agreed. That’s what distingushes a personal relationship with Jesus Christ from man – made rules and creeds! Christianity is NOT a religion, it’s a relationship with God through the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. John 20:29- Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

CosmosDan – What is there to comment on. An opinion? No doubt some people thought we were and should remain a Christian nation, just as some do now. It’s just opinion.

Such is the opinion of Jefferson and/or Madison. IMHO

Dsiscokid said:
CosmosDan – and ALL religions are man made. Agreed. That’s what distingushes a personal relationship with Jesus Christ from man – made rules and creeds! Christianity is NOT a religion, it’s a relationship with God through the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. John 20:29- Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Interesting, as you have rejected the gospel of Thomas!

jim bronson 990cc said:
Rather a different time, don’t you think? What is in the heart, should be more important than the label on the cover.

Exactly Jim. In fact that’s what I get from the words attributed to Jesus. Buddha, and several spiritual teachers

Dsiscokid said:
jim bronson 990cc – Entire gospels have been left out. The gospel of Judas. The gospel of Thomas. The gospel of Peter. The gospel of Mary.

Of which those counterfeits (along with many more other “gospels”) contradict what was in the Old Testament primarily and were not first-hand, eye witness accounts like Matt., Mark, Luke, and John. Dan Brown has made a fortune in fiction writing around these “hidden gospels”

I can’t think of one serious biblical scholar who still believes the gospels are eye witness accounts. There may be one or two but it’s an extreme minority.

The gospel of Thomas is basically a list of saying attributed to Jesus. I’m not sure how that contradicts the OT, but it’s irrelevant. There’s plenty of disagreement about Jesus fitting OT prophecies. Just ask our Jewish friends.

jim bronson 990cc said:
ANd there are items in the NT that contradict what is in hte OT. You argue against yourself. Do not call what is put before you unclean. Acts 11

yep. The versions of the cock crowing before Peter denies Jesus contradict each other. The versions of thieves beside Jesus contradict each other.

Dsiscokid said:
This is in reference to the Book of Revelation particularly, but refers to the entire canon of Scripture broadly

Says who? The author had no concept of the Bible although this would have been a handy spot to make the Book plan a little more clear. Also, why would God warn people about things that he had no intention of letting happen. Wouldn’t this warning indicate that it’s very possible to alter the scripture?

Turns out a very similar passage is found in Deuteronomy and look how much was declared scripture after that.

Dsiscokid said:
God is not through yet!

Well yeah, that’s what Joe Smith said. do you think the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants are scripture?

Bachman has done more for black Americans than that Race-Baiting, Hate-Monger Tawana Sharpton ever did!!!

CosmosDan said:
That’s right, but I think with Jefferson’s words in that letter , and evidently Madison’s {thanks jim} I think it’s clear that’s what they meant. I consider it extremely significant that even though the founders were predominantly Christian , with several deists, the Declaration barely mentions God, and the Constitution which is the real basis for our laws, doesn’t mention God at all.

IMO, those like Barton who try to claim we were intended to be a Christian nation are imposing their personal wishes on the facts. That’s not history.

You are correct that David Barton has a Christian leaning in his views on our founding and the Constitution. I believe that comes from the fact that he has one of the largest private library of original documents written in the hand of many of the founding fathers.

As to barely mentioning God; how many references do you require. The Declaration is considered the preamble to the Constitution. “Congress has placed the Declaration of Independence at THE HEAD OF THE UNITED STATES CODE, under the caption ‘The organic Laws of the United States of America.’ [1 US Code xxxv-xxxvii (1982 ed.)] The Supreme Court has accorded it binding legal force, for example, in resolving questions of alienage (Ingles v. Trustees of Sailors Snug Harbor, 1830).”

Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God – our founders gathered from Locke and Blackstone
Endowed by their Creator
life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness – not specific to God but a note for Socialist’s, the pursuit, not guarantee of happiness.
with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence

However, those that may reject out of hand anything that Barton has presented can go to sites like the Library of Congress and find material that will reinforce his position.

http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danbury.html

Many love to state that Jefferson was a atheist or deist and erected this wall of separation. But if Jefferson view of separation was so concrete, why did he attend church services two days after signing the Danbury letter in the building that was the largest church in the country at that time; the US Capital.

The approval of the Capitol for church was given by both the House and the Senate with approval being given by the President of the Senate, Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson’s approval came while he was still officially the Vice- President but after he had just been elected President. And if it were a political stunt, why would he continue to attend services in that government building for the remainder of his two administrations.

There was no separation as we know it today. His intent was to assuage a religious group that the national government could never create a single national creed or religion. The states were free to do so if they wished but the federal government could not. I believe Pennsylvania and possibly others had state religions at the time.

In matters of religion I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the Constitution independent of the powers of the General Government. I have therefore undertaken, on no occasion, to prescribe the religious exercise suited to it, but have left them, as the Constitution found them, under the direction and discipline of state and church authorities.
Thomas Jefferson, Second Inaugural Address (1805)

John Adams stated, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political perosperity, religion and morality are indespensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest prop of the duties of men and citizens…Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for propety, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice?” George Washington (Farewell Address)

“Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.” Benjamin Franklin April 17, 1787

A Kim Bo said:
So, in other words, Michelle Bachman like Rick Santorum are both graduates of the Glenn Beck University–a degree that prepares you to make up sh!t as you go along and maybe some mid-supervisory role in the janitorial arts.

the sad part is a lot of home schooled kids are being taught distorted history, and the TX school board has allowed this revisionist history to be accepted curriculum

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Dsiscokid said:
Keep reading the passage you quoted in Matt. 7:21. He was addressing those who “professed” to know him by their own “works” in His Name’

Sure, they recognized him as Lord, but it wasn’t enough to save them. This is a repeating theme in the NT. Mat 25, The parable of the sheep and goats, They call him Lord but are rejected because of how they treated others.
James 2
“If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. “

Dsiscokid said:
CosmosDan – What is there to comment on. An opinion? No doubt some people thought we were and should remain a Christian nation, just as some do now. It’s just opinion.

Such is the opinion of Jefferson and/or Madison. IMHO

That’s true, but we have the actual words of the Constitution. That’s not opinion, That’s fact. It’s not an accident that Christianity and God are not mentioned AT ALL.

CosmosDan said:
He helped free his slaves .

That’s really all you need to read. I like Jefferson, he did great things like enacting a law to stop the slave trade during his presidency. That being said, the man did own over 600 slaves himself

guynstl said:
You are correct that David Barton has a Christian leaning in his views on our founding and the Constitution. I believe that comes from the fact that he has one of the largest private library of original documents written in the hand of many of the founding fathers.

In an article titled “Unconfirmed Quotations,” Barton conceded that he has not located primary sources for eleven of the alleged quotes from James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and U.S. Supreme Court decisions (hence, the title of the article)

I’ve seen too many quote contests about this subject to be interested in another. The fact is the words of the Declaration are perfectly in line with deism rather than Christianity, and the Constitution has no reference at all. It is however, made for us interpret and amend it in a changing society.

Christianity of any stripe does not have dibbs on a changing nation. The idea is for people to be free to worship pr not worship as they choose and the separation of church and state is firmly ensconced in our legal system.

jooce81 said:
That’s really all you need to read. I like Jefferson, he did great things like enacting a law to stop the slave trade during his presidency. That being said, the man did own over 600 slaves himself

and it should be noted that he wasn’t banging all of them. Just want to make sure we all agree on that.

If you could gentlemen, could you provide the verses from “the mystery gospels” that you are wondering about? As far as any so-called “Bible scholars” a lot of them aren’t even Bible Believers. You can either believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and He’ll show you the truth (John 8:32) or you can try to go your way. God has given man the choice to believe since Adam and Eve.

As far as Jefferson, didn’t he make his own Bible by cutting out all of the miracles and calling it the Jefferson Bible?

As far as the FF’s it is fascinating to read history and their biographies and how they were conflicted with their personal and public lives.

A Kim Bo said:
Actually Michelle Bachmann’s economic plan is that everyone should live off of the $250,000 in federal farm subsidies that her family lived off of. Because, according to not only Bachmann poor understanding of history but her poor understanding of economics, you have to be a SOCIALIST (like her dad was) to know how bad it is.

Why would you say her father is a Socialist? …because, if you are right, that he accepted some aid?

Dsiscokid said:
As far as Jefferson, didn’t he make his own Bible by cutting out all of the miracles and calling it the Jefferson Bible?

Right. Because he valued the lessons not the mythology.

Dsiscokid said:
As far as any so-called “Bible scholars” a lot of them aren’t even Bible Believers. You can either believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and He’ll show you the truth (John 8:32) or you can try to go your way. God has given man the choice to believe since Adam and Eve.

Funny thing is that the Bible believers can’t agree with each other.

You have to decide if you’re actually seeking the truth , or following the traditions taught by men.

Who were the real slaves? Everybody knows the answer to that question. Read more…The End.

Dsiscokid said:
jim bronson 990cc – HHHHHHMMMMMM, sounds awfully vindictive, don’t you think? Not at all. God is perfectly holy, perfectly just in His dealings with man, and perfectly merciful!That why Jesus came to give His life as the penalty for sin. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Which begs the question why? If he is all love, where does hate come from? If not, how can he be a goo creature? If their is compassion for all, why the necessity of belief? If their is not compassion, what is the worthiness of belief?

Dsiscokid said:
If you could gentlemen, could you provide the verses from “the mystery gospels” that you are wondering about? As far as any so-called “Bible scholars” a lot of them aren’t even Bible Believers. You can either believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and He’ll show you the truth (John 8:32) or you can try to go your way. God has given man the choice to believe since Adam and Eve.

Why does one need to believe in order to be a scholar? That logic simply does not follow.
Per your request:
http://www.gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm

jim bronson 990cc said:
Why does one need to believe in order to be a scholar? That logic simply does not follow.

It’s not going to make sense. Facts don’t matter when you choose to believe something taught by men and call it from God.

CosmosDan – HUGE difference between honest skepticism and willfull ignorance. Facts don’t matter when you choose NOT to believe the God given truth and call it “man-made”. Regardless , we will all stand before God and give an account for our lives (Hebrews 9:27)

jim bronson 990cc – Scholar intones “expert”. How can can one be an “expert” on a subject that they primarily are looking to criticize, debunk, discredit, and doubt? The Bible can withstand the scrutiny. It always has. It always will, because it is of God.

jim bronson 990cc – thanks for the link. The Gnosis’s were spreading their doctrine during the earliest church days.

jim bronson 990cc – I’m reading the gospel of Thomas now. This is a hodge-podge of some Bible, some from who knows where. Very similar to the Koran. The oldest that this dates back to is 3rd Century AD. The last books of the N.T. were penned by 95 AD at the latest (Gospel of John , 1,2,3, John and Revelation). Also consider that Alexandrian texts and texts from out of Antioch ( Acts 11:26-
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.) BTW – Acts was penned by Luke circa. 65 AD. There are sound reasons and historical evidence by these writings are not inspired. They are contradictory, written after the canonical Scriptures, and not verfiable.

Dsiscokid said:
CosmosDan – HUGE difference between honest skepticism and willfull ignorance.

There certainly is. Denying well researched and documented evidence in order to embrace the religious traditions taught by men is one form of it.

Dsiscokid said:
Scholar intones “expert”. How can can one be an “expert” on a subject that they primarily are looking to criticize, debunk, discredit, and doubt?

Although scholars and scientists have their human flaws , their primary goal is to uncover the facts , aka the truth. They also have their work checked and verified by other experts in their field. Their goal is not to debunk or discredit but to add to our knowledge so that we can better discern the truth. If a certain religious tradition doesn’t match what scholar’s have discovered they those who value the truth over the traditions of men will question that tradition.

Dsiscokid said:
Facts don’t matter when you choose NOT to believe the God given truth and call it “man-made”.

Facts don’t matter? How are we to discern the truth? You, a person, a limited and imperfect human the same as I, are making some claim about what is from God and what divine truth is. The problem is that other human’s disagree with you on what is divine truth from God. Even your fellow Christians don’t agree on what is divine truth or what their divinely inspired book means. So which human being has the right or authority to declare what divine truth is? If a Muslim, Hindu, or Mormon, can declare their holy books to be divinely inspired and the word of God, what makes your declaration and claim to divine truth any different or superior to theirs?
Follow whatever path your conscience tells you too but ultimately it’s just your opinion and repeated claims to divine truth doesn’t change the facts increase the value of religious traditions created by men.

Another brilliant GOPster! The Best & the Brightest. She is our – future. Offering fresh new superstitions for the bewildered Masses.

CosmosDan- Follow whatever path your conscience tells you too but ultimately it’s just your opinion and repeated claims to divine truth doesn’t change the facts increase the value of religious traditions created by men.

It’s not my opinion that Jesus died for the sins of mankind, it is God’s plan of salvation for mankind. If man rejects God’s plan, there is no other way of salvation (Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.)

If a Muslim, Hindu, or Mormon, can declare their holy books to be divinely inspired and the word of God, what makes your declaration and claim to divine truth any different or superior to theirs?

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

You either come to God His way or no way
Judaism , from which Jesus Christ was/is the fullfillment of prophesy, is older (Monotheisism) than Hinduism (and Buddhism for that matter). Islam and Mormomisn were based on men who created their own religion by claiming the Bible was “flawed” or “corrupted” and felt “led by an angel” to interpret it their own way. Real Galatians 1:6-9 and 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

Bachmann: America’s Founders ‘Worked Tirelessly Until Slavery Was No More’
Maybe she’s right. Doesn’t the Bible say people used to live to be over 100 yrs? Maybe the “Founding Fathers” were still alive. Maybe they’re still here, still working.

Dsiscokid said:
CosmosDan – HUGE difference between honest skepticism and willfull ignorance. Facts don’t matter when you choose NOT to believe the God given truth and call it “man-made”. Regardless , we will all stand before God and give an account for our lives (Hebrews 9:27) jim bronson 990cc – Scholar intones “expert”. How can can one be an “expert” on a subject that they primarily are looking to criticize, debunk, discredit, and doubt? The Bible can withstand the scrutiny. It always has. It always will, because it is of God.

No, it has not. A barge held together with “pitch”. The sun revolving around the Earth. A man residing in the belly of a whale? The list goes on and on. Please be honest in your debate.

jooce81 said:
That’s really all you need to read. I like Jefferson, he did great things like enacting a law to stop the slave trade during his presidency. That being said, the man did own over 600 slaves himself

And serially raped one of his slave children!

Dsiscokid said:
jim bronson 990cc – I’m reading the gospel of Thomas now. This is a hodge-podge of some Bible, some from who knows where. Very similar to the Koran. The oldest that this dates back to is 3rd Century AD. The last books of the N.T. were penned by 95 AD at the latest (Gospel of John , 1,2,3, John and Revelation). Also consider that Alexandrian texts and texts from out of Antioch ( Acts 11:26-And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.) BTW – Acts was penned by Luke circa. 65 AD. There are sound reasons and historical evidence by these writings are not inspired. They are contradictory, written after the canonical Scriptures, and not verfiable.

That is a common misperception. In all likelihood, the author was a Greek gentile. The writing bears little similarity to Luke.

Tony Westover said:
“But Adams was not one of the founders, nor did he live to see the Emancipation Proclamation signed in 1863 (he died in 1848).”

The Emancipation Proclamation didn’t end slavery, it freed slaves only in the South while allowing Union slave states to continue the institution. Slavery was not abolished until the ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment.

I always kind it funny when people try to be smug and correct others, and then screw up the facts themselves. Of course, we are talking about Talking Points Memo here…

It is great to see that there are some people here who know American history!

Dsiscokid said:
It’s not my opinion that Jesus died for the sins of mankind,

Ultimately that’s what it is. It’s faith in beliefs held without any evidence at all. Taught by men, altered and passed down over the ages. The same as other religions. No how many times you insist your religion is then true one, or they insist theirs is, it’s still only an opinion and no better than theirs

Dsiscokid said:
(Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.)

I’m familiar with the Bible. I’ve studied it and it’s history. We don’t have any original writings for the NT. We have copies of copies of copies with things altered and added by the copyists. If we value the truth we have to decide what that means about it’s place in tradition. Denying the facts is to deny the truth.

Dsiscokid said:
Judaism , from which Jesus Christ was/is the fullfillment of prophesy, is older (Monotheisism) than Hinduism (and Buddhism for that matter). Islam and Mormomisn were based on men who created their own religion by claiming the Bible was “flawed” or “corrupted” and felt “led by an angel” to interpret it their own way. Real Galatians 1:6-9 and 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

Actually Hinduism is older than Judaism and probably Zoroastrianism is as well but age is irrelevant. Many of the details of the story of Jesus in the NT seem to be taken from the stories of other older legends. Quoting the Bible is no different than someone quoting any book they think has divine authority. You don’t accept their book as divine, there’s no reason to see the Bible that way either and lot’s of good reason’s not to.

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CosmosDan said:
I’m familiar with the Bible. I’ve studied it and it’s history. We don’t have any original writings for the NT.

I’d like to suggest you check out a book titled “The Case For Christ” by Lee Strobel. He was a reporter for The Chicago Tribune in the 1980′s and spent years investigating the claims of Christ and Christianity with a critical, journalistic insight. He touched on the same issues you have about “original writings”. There were no printing presses (obviously) in the 1st Century and Scripture was written, re-written, re-written, etc. It’s a good read.

CosmosDan said:
Many of the details of the story of Jesus in the NT seem to be taken from the stories of other older legends. Quoting the Bible is no different than someone quoting any book they think has divine authority.

1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1 John 4:1-2- Written approx. 90 AD by John the Apostle, an eye-witness and a disciple of Jesus
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

4And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

1 John 1-4

BatBoy said:
This might be a good read on the subject:
Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White
By David Barton

The reason Bachman knows what she knows is that she gets information from a popular Tea Party source. David Barton is a fantastic american historian, I bet she has enjoyed his passion for the truth of american history as I have.

Oh, come on now people. Making fun of Bachmann for being ignorant of the facts is like
shooting goldfish in a shot glass.