If they’d had Maxine Waters and Sheila Jackson Lee the hysterics would’ve been epic.

msnbc and now cnn, i had enough of this birther sh*t

President Obama has been successful, it’s just in code.

I have personally met and have received campaign info from Orly Taitz (she lives in Southern CA and I lived there for a bit, interning in politics). I actually personally talked to her too. She doesn’t need a megaphone and TC and CNN, along with MSNBC, have provided her one. Crazy.

Crazy bitch.

I hope to see Trump/Taliz on the 2012 Birther ticket.

Mediaite….your 24/7 birther blog.

Tommy Christopher .

The least objective journalist on the planet .

Someday TOMMY, you’re going to look back at yourself and say: “How could I have been so incredibly stupid?”

This entire business isn’t about the so called ‘birthers’. It is entirely about OBAMA’S RESPONSE to their accusations. In courtroom legal terms it goes like this:

CONSCIOUSNESS OF INNOCENCE: No, I did not do what I am accused of. What can I do to prove it? I’d be happy to show my “other” birth certificate.

CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT: I won’t dignify your accusations with a response.
I would NEVER do such a thing.
I have my “rights” and I don’t have to show my “real certificate”.
How dare you accuse me. You’ve got motives.

Tommy, in 10-20 years, you’ll see things entirely differently. You’ll look back and ask yourself how you could have been so “unaware” of human nature & reality. In the meantime, just keep on keeping on.

CNN has people on their payroll who have been widely discredited (Dana Loesch and Erick Erickson) so it doesn’t really surprise me that they would bring in the crazed birther Taitz. If CNN wants to maintain a shred of integrity and credibility, perhaps they should find a more sensible way to to attract the Tea Party/right wing viewers they so desperately want instead of stirring up all of this birther nonsense.

Ah man the silliness that our media puts on is too funny.

why have the crazy’s like her/Trump etc. on the show in the first place?

Commit this bitch before she hurts someone.

How long IS a “Kenyan minute”?

Ok, I’m a Brit but if you’re born to an American parent anywhere in the world, don’t you automatically gain citizenship?

she said in the video about the birth announcements in the paper were called in by obama’s parents…bullshit

In researching the story, he went to the microfilm archives and found the birth announcement for Obama. Actually, he found two of them, one in his Honululu Advertiser on Aug. 13 , 1961, and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin the next day . They both said the same thing: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, son, Aug. 4.”

But here’s the thing. Newspaper officials he checked with confirmed those notices came from the state Department of Health.

“That’s not the kind of stuff a family member calls in and says, ‘Hey, can you put this in?’” Hoover explained.

Take a second and think about that. In order to phony those notices up, it would have required the complicity of the state Health Department and two independent newspapers — on the off chance this unnamed child might want to one day be president of the United States.

from post above
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/

please, move on. obama’s just about done with his first term. you must have something more productive to do, like feeding the homeless.

It’s sad when CNN John King has to stoop to this level to try and make this an issue.

Marty73 said:
CNN has people on their payroll who have been widely discredited (Dana Loesch and Erick Erickson) so it doesn’t really surprise me that they would bring in the crazed birther Taitz. If CNN wants to maintain a shred of integrity and credibility, perhaps they should find a more sensible way to to attract the Tea Party/right wing viewers they so desperately want instead of stirring up all of this birther nonsense.

Couldn’t have been said better.

for people who keep questioning this, it’s hard not to think it’s is anything but race and i’m not one who tosses around that term because of its connotations.

Obama could end all of this but he won’t. He’s hiding something. The question is, what is it? Is he ashamed of what is on it? What’s behind the white out?

glenn113 said:
It’s sad when CNN John King has to stoop to this level to try and make this an issue.

Obama made it an issue.

My guess is Jan Brewer declined the invitation so they got the closest thing to her.

glenn113 said:
Couldn’t have been said better.

Tell us something we don’t know…

The story behind the story is that Obamo is utterly despised and hated by millions upon millions for wrecking this country. Things were fine until this big-eared jerk came along. Obamo is clearly the worst and most-hated president ever. The porch-sitters who ‘adore’ him, well, they live for handouts and entitlements anyway. It’s what we expect.

I love how the obamabots blame the “birthers” for “stirring this up” when it was Obama who strirred it up.

CNN! We’re FOX lite!

Nobody should be surprised.

Speaking of crazy…

nutraslim said:
please, move on. obama’s just about done with his first term. you must have something more productive to do, like feeding the homeless.

he’s a young guy. look at all the good clinton is doing after two terms. come to think about it carter had a crappy presidency but after he had the carter center for human rights. nobel peace prize, he did a whole lot of shit (you can make the case for mistakes made while pres)
let’s see: bush the senior… ?
bush the criminal (alleged)… he flipped the coin at the cowboys first game in new stadium.
ronald reagan…he found the bathroom once without nancy’s help (unfortunately he wasn’t in time)

Color Me Badd said:
Commit this bitch before she hurts someone.

Funny. That’s exactly what I think every time I read one of your posts.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
he’s a young guy. look at all the good clinton is doing after two terms. come to think about it carter had a crappy presidency but after he had the carter center for human rights. nobel peace prize, he did a whole lot of shit (you can make the case for mistakes made while pres)let’s see: bush the senior… ?bush the criminal (alleged)… he flipped the coin at the cowboys first game in new stadium.ronald reagan…he found the bathroom once without nancy’s help (unfortunately he wasn’t in time)

lets thanks larry odonnell here for the re-write of history

ChrisNH said:
The story behind the story is that Obamo is utterly despised and hated by millions upon millions for wrecking this country. Things were fine until this big-eared jerk came along. Obamo is clearly the worst and most-hated president ever. The porch-sitters who ‘adore’ him, well, they live for handouts and entitlements anyway. It’s what we expect.

that post is just a big ol bag of hate. if that’s all you got, why bother?
never mind. i suppose it’s better to get you hate out here instead of beating your wife. (hope you got here on time)

ChiliPeppersFan said:
that post is just a big ol bag of hate. if that’s all you got, why bother?
never mind. i suppose it’s better to get you hate out here instead of beating your wife. (hope you got here on time)

You sound pretty hateful to me. Just sayin.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
she said in the video about the birth announcements in the paper were called in by obama’s parents…bullshit In researching the story, he went to the microfilm archives and found the birth announcement for Obama. Actually, he found two of them, one in his Honululu Advertiser on Aug. 13 , 1961, and in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin the next day . They both said the same thing: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, son, Aug. 4.” But here’s the thing. Newspaper officials he checked with confirmed those notices came from the state Department of Health. “That’s not the kind of stuff a family member calls in and says, ‘Hey, can you put this in?’” Hoover explained. Take a second and think about that. In order to phony those notices up, it would have required the complicity of the state Health Department and two independent newspapers — on the off chance this unnamed child might want to one day be president of the United States.

The birth announcements were not put in the newspapers solely because they thought he would be president someday. That is absurd. The fact is that if a person was born at home or abroad, a relative like the grandparent could have easily gone to the Dept of Health to register the birth. Once the baby was registered, a vital record was then created creating a birth certificate. The Dept of Health would then send the information that a baby was born to the newspaper offices who would then print the birth announcements. The announcements if you notice just states that a baby was born and doesn’t list specifically where the birth took place. Hawaii also had a mail in form to register the births too back in 1961.

Does anybody know what’s behind the white out? Loons?

You could tell King and his guest really didn’t want to hear the fact that Obama has been using a Connecticut Social Security number that has been verified throught the Selective Service. Obama never lived in Connecticut.

Retired Intelligence Officer said:
You could tell King and his guest really didn’t want to hear the fact that Obama has been using a Connecticut Social Security number that has been verified throught the Selective Service. Obama never lived in Connecticut.

Orly is a one trick pony from what I’ve heard. She could have made better use of her time.

CNN is desperate for viewers; this ain’t gonna work John. Just stop it. We are sick and tired of you lefties bringing up the birther issue again, and again, and again, and again.

ChrisNH said:
The story behind the story is that Obamo is utterly despised and hated by millions upon millions for wrecking this country. Things were fine until this big-eared jerk came along. Obamo is clearly the worst and most-hated president ever. The porch-sitters who ‘adore’ him, well, they live for handouts and entitlements anyway. It’s what we expect.

You sure are gonna be pissed when he gets reelected in an embarrassing landslide against Donald Trump. Tee Hee.

Color Me Badd says: You sure are gonna be pissed when he gets reelected in an embarrassing landslide against Donald Trump. Tee Hee.

No doubt, the “community organizer” experience and “present” votes are unmatched.

WaterLoo said:
Color Me Badd says: You sure are gonna be pissed when he gets reelected in an embarrassing landslide against Donald Trump. Tee Hee. No doubt, the “community organizer” experience and “present” votes are unmatched.

well 172 democrats in congress learned that to it appears

Retired Intelligence Officer said:
Selective Service.

first of all, where is your proof that it was verified through the selective service? if you are referring to what taitz did

I submitted an affidavit from a licensed investigator Neil Sankey, showing that according to most reputable National databases Lexis Nexis and Choice Point Barack Obama used as many as 39 different social security numbers, none of which were issued in the state of Hawaii, where he resided. (Submitted as an exhibit with the complaint)

that is essentially credit reporting databases aggregated from various sources usually without any verification.

and as far as the connecticut claim she says…
The same affidavit contained information, showing that the social security number [Social Security Number redacted, Doc C.], that he used most often, was issued in the state of Connecticut to an individual born in 1890. Since Obama never resided in the state of Connecticut and was not born in 1890, it was a sign of clear violation of Title 42 US Code, section 408(a)(7)(B), misuse of a social security number, which is a federal felony punishable under Title 18 USC by fine or imprisonment of up to five years or both and an evidence of foreign birth and lack of proper citizenship status.

I submitted an affidavit from a licensed investigator Susan Daniels, showing that according to her research Obama used a stolen social security number [Social Security Number redacted, Doc C.], which was issued to another individual born in 1890 in the state of CT.

While it is not certain that the Social Security number “that he used most often” according to Taitz is really the President’s, I suspect that it probably is. Taitz is correct that the “042″ series of numbers was indeed assigned to Connecticut, and Connecticut is not Hawaii. As far as I know, President Obama never resided in Connecticut.

If there is any clear evidence of fraud, it is the 1890 date that Taitz flouts. First, if the SSN was really for a person born in 1890, that person would be dead. The Social Security death index doesn’t list this number, so we can presume that the 1890 date is bogus. However, there is more direct evidence that it’s wrong and Taitz knows it. In her own court filing in Barnett v. Obama (page 5) she shows where the 1890 date comes from. The document says:

Dates of Birth Associated with SSN:

1890
08/04/1961
04/08/1961

Obviously the third is a typographical error on the correct date (the second) and 1890 is just database garbage. Which is the more likely date of birth from the preceding list? If you are convinced that everything Obama does is a fraud, then the first entry is the one to pick. If you’re looking for the real answer, you pick the one that makes sense, the President’s actual date of birth.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/02/obamas-social-security-number/

next time do a little digging around before you spit out your talking point bs.

Nevermind the “community organizer” experience or “present” votes , Barry Soetoro can run on the Nobel Peace Prize while starting a 3rd war and slashing the deficit in half while raising the deficit by trillions. Or being transparent with “white out” of the White House visitor logs and televised CSPAN discussions with closed door meetings. Or the shevel ready jobs which never occured. The possibilities? Endless

Retired Intelligence Officer said:
You could tell King and his guest really didn’t want to hear the fact that Obama has been using a Connecticut Social Security number that has been verified throught the Selective Service. Obama never lived in Connecticut.

retired intelligence officer? you might be retired and even captain crunch is an officer but i highly doubt you’re in intelligence.

Retired Intelligence Officer said:
You could tell King and his guest really didn’t want to hear the fact that Obama has been using a Connecticut Social Security number that has been verified throught the Selective Service. Obama never lived in Connecticut.

Once she began to talk about Obama’s SS# from Connecticut, it’s amazing how quickly they shut her up and ended her participation. Like… immediately. So far, after two years, nobody has explained that Connecticut SS#. They just shut the speakers down and ignore the fact.

Oh, he’ll be re-elected alright. It’s already set in place. Between dead and union people, immigrants, and prisoners, he’ll be elected. Just like before. Just like Harry Reid. This country is toast.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
that post is just a big ol bag of hate. if that’s all you got, why bother?
never mind. i suppose it’s better to get you hate out here instead of beating your wife. (hope you got here on time)

It was racist too.

Ladies and Gentlemen, fishes and reptiles, I now stand before you, to sit behind you, to tell you a story I know nothing about. This Thursday is Good Friday, there will be a men’s meeting for women only, the admission is free, so pay at the door, bring your chairs and sit on the floor. My story begins when two dead boys got up to play, drew their knives and shot each other. If you don’t believe me, ask the blind man he saw it all.

TfT said:
CNN is desperate for viewers; this ain’t gonna work John. Just stop it. We are sick and tired of you lefties bringing up the birther issue again, and again, and again, and again.

King is a Republican …. who hears subliminal messages in Obama’s speeches. He’s all yours :)

ChiliPeppersFan said:
from post above
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/

Kinda rude sending people off-site for something we reported here.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/how-to-interview-donald-trump-the-birther-debunkers-guide-to-the-universe/

ChiliPeppersFan said:
retired intelligence officer? you might be retired and even captain crunch is an officer but i highly doubt you’re in intelligence.

You’re no chili peppers fan, either.

Retired Intelligence Officer said:
The birth announcements were not put in the newspapers solely because they thought he would be president someday. That is absurd. The fact is that if a person was born at home or abroad, a relative like the grandparent could have easily gone to the Dept of Health to register the birth. Once the baby was registered, a vital record was then created creating a birth certificate. The Dept of Health would then send the information that a baby was born to the newspaper offices who would then print the birth announcements. The announcements if you notice just states that a baby was born and doesn’t list specifically where the birth took place. Hawaii also had a mail in form to register the births too back in 1961.

if you read my whole post you would have seen…

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.
Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: “This has gotten ridiculous,” state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. “There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy.” . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? “I hope so,” Fukino said. “We need to get some work done.”
Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

you are not to smart for an intelligence officer.

Tommy Christopher said:
Kinda rude sending people off-site for something we reported here.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/how-to-interview-donald-trump-the-birther-debunkers-guide-to-the-universe/

I agree. Ban his ass.

WaterLoo says:
April 15, 2011 at 11:23 pm WaterLoo(Quote)
Ladies and Gentlemen, fishes and reptiles, I now stand before you, to sit behind you, to tell you a story I know nothing about. This Thursday is Good Friday, there will be a men’s meeting for women only, the admission is free, so pay at the door, bring your chairs and sit on the floor. My story begins when two dead boys got up to play, drew their knives and shot each other. If you don’t believe me, ask the blind man he saw it all.

This was an unparalleled Obama speech. The left walked out in utter astonishment screaming “it all makes so much sense”

Tommy Christopher said:
Kinda rude sending people off-site for something we reported here.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/how-to-interview-donald-trump-the-birther-debunkers-guide-to-the-universe/

ha…i even commented on that along with a shout out to you. my bad.

What’s behind the white out, oh so smart heroin addict fan?

Noodle said:
Once she began to talk about Obama’s SS# from Connecticut, it’s amazing how quickly they shut her up and ended her participation. Like… immediately. So far, after two years, nobody has explained that Connecticut SS#. They just shut the speakers down and ignore the fact.

Oh, he’ll be re-elected alright. It’s already set in place. Between dead and union people, immigrants, and prisoners, he’ll be elected. Just like before. Just like Harry Reid. This country is toast.

Ya … the left stole millions of votes …. and the country was really going for McCain. You guys are delusional. Boy are you all in for shock if you even step out of the right-wing echo chamber.

Nobody knows what’s behind the white out?

CNN’s John King Manages To Out-Crazy Birther Queen Orly Taitz In Wild Interview

He didn’t out-crazy, he just stopped talking and listening to her, once it got uncomfortable for him.

Noodle said:
CNN’s John King Manages To Out-Crazy Birther Queen Orly Taitz In Wild Interview

He didn’t out-crazy, he just stopped talking and listening to her, once it got uncomfortable for him.

That’s called spin.

TfT said:
CNN is desperate for viewers; this ain’t gonna work John. Just stop it. We are sick and tired of you lefties bringing up the birther issue again, and again, and again, and again.

You dumb ass hillbilly. It’s your party and your new leader Donald Trump who keeps bringing it up. You really are a worthless troll.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Ya … the left stole millions of votes …. and the country was really going for McCain. You guys are delusional. Boy are you all in for shock if you even step out of the right-wing echo chamber.

Don’t know if they were going for McCain or not. The rest of your message I don’t follow. I already know the results of the 2012 election. It’s written in fraud and $$.

Newsjunky said:
You dumb ass hillbilly. It’s your party and your new leader Donald Trump who keeps bringing it up. You really are a worthless troll.

Let’s see, John King Orly Taitz. Nope, don’t see Trump anywhere.

Noodle said:
Don’t know if they were going for McCain or not.

You don’t know much and don’t mind sharing it.

Newsjunky says:
April 15, 2011 at 11:36 pm Newsjunky(Quote) You dumb ass hillbilly. It’s your party and your new leader Donald Trump who keeps bringing it up. You really are a worthless troll.

With such substantive commentary on policy with supporters such as this? Can somebody say Barry Soetoro and landslide victory? Yes we can!

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
You don’t know much and don’t mind sharing it.

I’ve read just 2 of his posts and he clearly knows much more than you.

sorry tommy.
i was wrong again. the one you wrote i was thinking of was the one of ko comparing beck to andy griffin in face in the crowd. i just commented on how throrough you were in your stories and i used the piece you did on the t-shirts at that arizona rally.
from now on, i will have to post before i enjoy my recreations.

ellie, you claim to know so much why don’t you tell us what’s behind the white out since heroin addict fan doesn’t know or care?

ChrisNH said:
The story behind the story is that Obamo is utterly despised and hated by millions upon millions for wrecking this country. Things were fine until this big-eared jerk came along. Obamo is clearly the worst and most-hated president ever. The porch-sitters who ‘adore’ him, well, they live for handouts and entitlements anyway. It’s what we expect.

Things were not find. I’m not sure what universe you were living in.

Jaurez said:
You’re no chili peppers fan, either.

how could you possibly say that when taste in music subjective?
it would be like me saying you’re no fan of hetrosexuality. although i could say that if you are a republican i can say you are no fan of homosexuality…publicly.

“. . . We will for better or worse continue this conversation. . .”

For worse, assuredly.

Let‘s all just hope that the birther issue goes away when Donald Trump’s bubble bursts.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
if you read my whole post you would have seen… Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: “This has gotten ridiculous,” state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. “There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy.” . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? “I hope so,” Fukino said. “We need to get some work done.”Fukino said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” you are not to smart for an intelligence officer.

What does that have to do with the birth announcements? The birth announcements are irrelevant and do not state where Obama was born. Also Hawaii has never verified that the online image of Obama;s alleged COLB is authentic in any official statement. Also Hawaii still issues long form birth certificates as proven by this certificate of live birth recieved last month on March 15,2011 for a sum of $10. If you look at the bottom you can clearly see the registrars stamp.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/208721_1648483537324_1394022018_31365835_5934804_n.jpg

Also there is no official government verification that Obama was born at Kapi-olani Hospital. Governor Neil Albercrombie’s investigation into the birth certificate found was a notation in the state archives of something written????? Obama to this day is not a natural born citizen even if born in Hawaii. His fathers British Nationality was passed to him at birth due to the British Nationality Act of 1948 as his website stated.

Read the last sentence from Fight The Smears, Obama’s own website:

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
how could you possibly say that when taste in music subjective?
it would be like me saying you’re no fan of hetrosexuality. although i could say that if you are a republican i can say you are no fan of homosexuality…publicly.

How could I day that? You just told somebody else they weren’t something they claimed to be, so why can’t I say it to you?

Noodle said:
Once she began to talk about Obama’s SS# from Connecticut, it’s amazing how quickly they shut her up and ended her participation. Like… immediately. So far, after two years, nobody has explained that Connecticut SS#. They just shut the speakers down and ignore the fact.

i just explained it five minutes ago. go back and read it and go to the link i provided.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i just explained it five minutes ago. go back and read it and go to the link i provided.

Does your link mention the white out?

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The Congress needs to haul the alleged president of the United States of America before both houses, the ” real ” American people and God to prove, not even beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he is not a criminal that has broken several federal laws of this country yet by playing the race card is able to stay in our White House.

That woman, whom I’ve never actually seen before, I wonder why, proved BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT OBAMA MUST STEP ASIDE, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN MUST SWORN IN AS ACTING PRESIDENT UNTIL SUCH TIME THIS MATTER HAS BEEN PROPERLY VETTED AND INVESTIGATED BY THE FBI, CIA and BOTH HOUSES.

Any person found to be hindering thiis investigation by falsely ( without actual proof) claiming that any persons claims to having definitive proof to the contrary, as this woman did, must be dismissed out of hand, as this woman is clearly being, simply by claiming racism must be brought in to FBI headquarters and fully investigated as an Obama co conspirator.

Both John King and his ‘ oh no you di’int ‘ supposed witness ( only qualification this clown has is the fact that he is allegedly a black man ) should be the first two brought in for questioning.

Why is it that this ( what may not even be an American herself ) woman is called crazy, but never before, to my knowledge, been brought before the ” real ” American people or liberals to present her case like this before.

She appears to have allegedly legitimate documentation of Barack Obama being a criminal that has broken several federal laws and just because he is the sitting ( possibly illegally ) president of the United States of America, and he’s black We the People must look the other way……not on yours, mine or my children’s lives we won’t.

This interview left many more LEGITIMATE questions than answers and Barack Obama is going to have to answer to the ” real ” American people, more than I’m patriotic and we’re all the same, if he expects to be on the 2012 ballot as the democrat choice.

Retired Intelligence Officer said:
What does that have to do with the birth announcements? The birth announcements are irrelevant and do not state where Obama was born. Also Hawaii has never verified that the online image of Obama;s alleged COLB is authentic in any official statement. Also Hawaii still issues long form birth certificates as proven by this certificate of live birth recieved last month on March 15,2011 for a sum of $10. If you look at the bottom you can clearly see the registrars stamp.

you don’t believe that the hawaii state health director saw and verified his bc. it’s people like you that really hate the president because you will dig up any piece of shit tidbit that you can twist to make you feel justified in what you’re doing and because i have never heard of this being done to any other president the reason you must have is because he is a black man. get some help dude.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
you don’t believe that the hawaii state health director saw and verified his bc. it’s people like you that really hate the president because you will dig up any piece of shit tidbit that you can twist to make you feel justified in what you’re doing and because i have never heard of this being done to any other president the reason you must have is because he is a black man. get some help dude.

She says she saw it and Governor Albercrombie couldn’t find it. All he said was that there was a notation of something written in the archives. Birth Certificates are not written.

President Eisenhower had to show his birth certificate so this isn’t about Obama’s race.

Ike needed birth certificate to run for president
‘Ike had nothing to hide!’
http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2010/100922/frontpage_Ike.html

This coming from the foreigner with the accent…I think I spoke for tech support last night, could mistake that accent!

Jaurez said:
ellie, you claim to know so much why don’t you tell us what’s behind the white out since heroin addict fan doesn’t know or care?

I don’t even know what you’re talking about. I tend to skip over most of the right-wing posts …. as they always say the same things … over and over and over again.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
Obviously the third is a typographical error on the correct date (the second) and 1890 is just database garbage. Which is the more likely date of birth from the preceding list? If you are convinced that everything Obama does is a fraud, then the first entry is the one to pick. If you’re looking for the real answer, you pick the one that makes sense, the President’s actual date of birth. http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/02/obamas-social-security-number/ next time do a little digging around before you spit out your talking point bs.

What has Obama had to say about this?

northone said:
Ok, I’m a Brit but if you’re born to an American parent anywhere in the world, don’t you automatically gain citizenship?

Yup. My son is American, his wife is a Chinese citizen and my granddaughter was born in China but is an American citizen and has an American passport. It only takes one American parent and the child can be born anywhere in the world but is automatically an American citizen.

‘Obama, you can’t pee on our backs and call it rain’

ChiliPeppersFan said:
you don’t believe that the hawaii state health director saw and verified his bc. it’s people like you that really hate the president because you will dig up any piece of shit tidbit that you can twist to make you feel justified in what you’re doing and because i have never heard of this being done to any other president the reason you must have is because he is a black man. get some help dude.

Wow, you’re an angry person, but out of line. Must be very young to have “never heard of this being done to any other president.” It’s been done to every president in history. Just because we don’t support this president doesn’t mean we hate him. We just hate his actions and theories for the USA, our country. Get a grip on your feelings. I do feel justified in my feelings, just as you do, clearly. And the fact that he is a black/white man has absolutely nothing to with my/our objections to his presidency/leadership/lack-there-of. You need to grow up and learn to listen to your elders. This man is… well, nevermind. You aren’t ready to listen. Study American history and decide if you want to live here or in Saudi Arabia or Cuba or Venezuela or Mexico. And quit calling me and others names. It’s not becoming of you.

“While most of Taitz’s wild claims have been disposed of here and elsewhere, Donald Trump has certainly proven that Birthers are good for business, media-wise.”

Why is this a surprise after the Democrats and guys like Michel Moore used the truther conspiracies so well?

slickerwick said:
Yup. My son is American, his wife is a Chinese citizen and my granddaughter was born in China but is an American citizen and has an American passport. It only takes one American parent and the child can be born anywhere in the world but is automatically an American citizen.

That’s correct but it takes ‘two’ U.S. citizen parent’s to become a natural born citizen to meet Article 2 Section 1 for President. All U.S. presidents since the grandfather clause ended have been born to ‘two’ U.S. citizen parents (plural). Three of those presidents post grandfather clause had foreign born parents but they became naturalized U.S. citizens by the laws of that time before those three presidents were born. Obama’s father was a British National and never became a citizen of the U.S..

Retired Intelligence Officer said:
That’s correct but it takes ‘two’ U.S. citizen parent’s to become a natural born citizen to meet Article 2 Section 1 for President. All U.S. presidents since the grandfather clause ended have been born to ‘two’ U.S. citizen parents (plural). Three of those presidents post grandfather clause had foreign born parents but they became naturalized U.S. citizens by the laws of that time before those three presidents were born. Obama’s father was a British National and never became a citizen of the U.S..

You are mistaken, he is a natural citizen by birth. You like many others have misinterpreted the constitution.

ALL PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF COLOR AND OR RACE, THAT ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, ANY OFFICE, (FROM THE PRESIDENT ON DOWN), THEIR LIFE SHOULD BE AN OPEN BOOK FOR ALL TO SEE, AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HIDE ANY RECORDS PERIOD!!—(HOW CAN ANYBODY TRUST THOSE THAT HIDE THEIR RECORDS)???????????
THOSE THAT HIDE THEIR RECORDS, ARE NOT WORTH THE SPIT, (TO SPIT ON THEM) AND CANNOT BE TRUSTED, NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE OR WHAT COLOR THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!!!

Yoda002 said:
You are mistaken, he is a natural citizen by birth. You like many others have misinterpreted the constitution.

Nope, I am right. Here is the definition of Natural Born Citizen by John Bingham, the creator of the 14th Amendment:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

How can you argue with the founder of the 14th Amendment that defined citizenship?

Obama’s father was a British National with born allegiances to the British Crown. His British Nationality was passed to Obama when he was born thus making Obama a British citizen due to the British Nationality Act of 1948. He was not born a natural born citizen that the founders wanted for Article 2 Section 1.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
Take a second and think about that.

That’s the part that the teabaggers have the most trouble with.

she’s a loon,

Retired Intelligence Officer said:
Nope, I am right. Here is the definition of Natural Born Citizen by John Bingham, the creator of the 14th Amendment:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

How can you argue with the founder of the 14th Amendment that defined citizenship?

Obama’s father was a British National with born allegiances to the British Crown. His British Nationality was passed to Obama when he was born thus making Obama a British citizen due to the British Nationality Act of 1948. He was not born a natural born citizen that the founders wanted for Article 2 Section 1.

Thats some nice copy and paste work you have there. The 14th amendment concerned slavery and his comments were in regards to the Civil Rights Act of 1866. I would recommend rereading the Citizen Clause and United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

Because of judicial precedent most courts would not conduct hearings on this issue.

Yoda002 said:
Thats some nice copy and paste work you have there. The 14th amendment concerned slavery and his comments were in regards to the Civil Rights Act of 1866. I would recommend rereading the Citizen Clause and United States v. Wong Kim Ark. Because of judicial precedent most courts would not conduct hearings on this issue.

Wong Kim Ark was never declared a natural born citizen.

TC makes a valid point about “false balance” journalism. The media continue to fill airtime with airheads, lending them unearned and undeserved credence.

As Dorothy Parker once described Oakland, CA, “There’s no ‘there’ there.” So it is with the Birthers. There’s no evidence there, yet they insist on making themselves look evermore foolish. It’s nice to have a hobby, I suppose.

Retired Intelligence Officer said:
Obama’s father was a British National and never became a citizen of the U.S.

Obama was born on American soil and thus did not need EITHER parent to be a U.S. citizen in order to become one himself.

Now we know why they “retired” you.

Oily Taint was sanctioned by a court for filing nuisance “Birther” suits. That won’t stop her. She’s a self-promoting opportunist who’s making big $$$ off of “donations” from her deluded and/or racist sycophants.

Where the hell is that flaming liberal so and so Oliver Stone d hiding the one time ” real ” America needs him.

He’s propably spying on the Palin’s from their neighbor’s yard disguised as a pile of dog crap for his riviting upcoming expose’ on who’s really little baby Trig’s mamma.

The left in this country are such un – American losers lately, it’s almost as if there actually ARE two Americas.

There’s ” real ” America ( US ), and then there’s Barack Obama’s amerika ( them ). How the hell could We the People allow this to happen right under our very noses?

Retired Intelligence Officer said:
She says she saw it and Governor Albercrombie couldn’t find it. All he said was that there was a notation of something written in the archives. Birth Certificates are not written. President Eisenhower had to show his birth certificate so this isn’t about Obama’s race. Ike needed birth certificate to run for president‘Ike had nothing to hide!’http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2010/100922/frontpage_Ike.html

That is BS. Governor Abercrombie found out that he is not ALLOWED to release the birth certificate because the law forbids it. The Director of the Health Department verified she had seen and examined the original birth certificate and the president was indeed born in Hawaii just as his Certificate of Live Birth says he was. It is not possible that he was born any place other than Honolulu and have his birth certificate say Honolulu. You don’t have to like the president but you are barking up the wrong tree by trying to claim he wasn’t born in our 50th state.

Put a sock in it Oily! I am so very tired of even hearing her name and refuse to listen to another tape of her most aggravating voice. She is a complete nutcase and if she is no better dentist than she is attorney, I pity her patients! From what I heard- she got her non-accredited law school license so she could defend herself in court against her patients that were suing her so she didn’t have to pay an attorney!

Oh. Look. There are approximately three actual people who are birthers, but HOLY EFFING SHIT, LET’S DIVERT THE SUBJECT!!!1!

Retired Intelligence Officer said:
Wong Kim Ark was never declared a natural born citizen.

In a 6–2 decision, the Supreme Court held that Wong Kim Ark had indeed acquired U.S. citizenship at birth.

I don’t think King’s line of discussion at 9:30 is so crazy. He’s trying to make the point that, even though Obama professes disinterest in birtherism, he might nevertheless be slipping in some inclusive/defensive language every once in awhile just to take the edge off birther’s ear-shattering shrieks. I don’t buy it for a minute, but Obama is a very thoughtful, considered politician, and it’s not unimaginable he’d do something subtle like that.

Alternatively, maybe King just wanted to make that harridan Taitz shut up for a minute or two and is too professional to simply have her mike cut off.

As to why CNN devotes 12 minutes on this babbling putz, it’s directly analogous to what — in a more innocent age — got people to pay good money to watch geeks biting the heads off chicken in freak shows. Colorful nutbags are entertaining!

Arkansas Steve said:
Someday TOMMY, you’re going to look back at yourself and say: “How could I have been so incredibly stupid?”

This entire business isn’t about the so called ‘birthers’. It is entirely about OBAMA’S RESPONSE to their accusations. In courtroom legal terms it goes like this:

CONSCIOUSNESS OF INNOCENCE: No, I did not do what I am accused of. What can I do to prove it? I’d be happy to show my “other” birth certificate.

CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT: I won’t dignify your accusations with a response.
I would NEVER do such a thing.
I have my “rights” and I don’t have to show my “real certificate”.
How dare you accuse me. You’ve got motives.

Tommy, in 10-20 years, you’ll see things entirely differently. You’ll look back and ask yourself how you could have been so “unaware” of human nature & reality. In the meantime, just keep on keeping on.

You’ve just given a textbook description of how Stalinist and Maoist courts operated: guilty unless you could convince doctrinaire zealots of your innocence. And then having done so, finding out that innocence is irrelevant.

I guess that makes you a commie.

(I’m going to step back now, because as soon as the hyenas on this site see the c-word (i.e., smell the blood), they’ll rip you apart.)

Barack Must Go said:
The Congress needs to haul the alleged president of the United States of America before both houses, the ” real ” American people and God to prove, not even beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he is not a criminal that has broken several federal laws of this country yet by playing the race card is able to stay in our White House.

That woman, whom I’ve never actually seen before, I wonder why, proved BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT OBAMA MUST STEP ASIDE, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN MUST SWORN IN AS ACTING PRESIDENT UNTIL SUCH TIME THIS MATTER HAS BEEN PROPERLY VETTED AND INVESTIGATED BY THE FBI, CIA and BOTH HOUSES.

Any person found to be hindering thiis investigation by falsely ( without actual proof) claiming that any persons claims to having definitive proof to the contrary, as this woman did, must be dismissed out of hand, as this woman is clearly being, simply by claiming racism must be brought in to FBI headquarters and fully investigated as an Obama co conspirator.

Both John King and his ‘ oh no you di’int ‘ supposed witness ( only qualification this clown has is the fact that he is allegedly a black man ) should be the first two brought in for questioning.

Why is it that this ( what may not even be an American herself ) woman is called crazy, but never before, to my knowledge, been brought before the ” real ” American people or liberals to present her case like this before.

She appears to have allegedly legitimate documentation of Barack Obama being a criminal that has broken several federal laws and just because he is the sitting ( possibly illegally ) president of the United States of America, and he’s black We the People must look the other way……not on yours, mine or my children’s lives we won’t.

This interview left many more LEGITIMATE questions than answers and Barack Obama is going to have to answer to the ” real ” American people, more than I’m patriotic and we’re all the same, if he expects to be on the 2012 ballot as the democrat choice.

I realize that it’s none of my business, but you don’t have anybody reporting to you in your job, do you? Presuming you’re employed, that is. I only ask because had this terrible thought that maybe some poor schmoe has you for a boss, and I just don’t know how anyone could possibly put up with that.

Retired Intelligence Officer said:
That’s correct but it takes ‘two’ U.S. citizen parent’s to become a natural born citizen to meet Article 2 Section 1 for President. All U.S. presidents since the grandfather clause ended have been born to ‘two’ U.S. citizen parents (plural). Three of those presidents post grandfather clause had foreign born parents but they became naturalized U.S. citizens by the laws of that time before those three presidents were born. Obama’s father was a British National and never became a citizen of the U.S..

You have put your finger on the place where all the birther claims fall apart. The citizenship of Obama’s parents is completely irrelevant because he was born on US soil. The distinction between “natural born citizen” and “citizen” (a distinction which is itself moot, because the language in the 14th Amendment isn’t identical to that in the main body of the Constitution) simply doesn’t apply.

The guy who compared this situation to a Stalinist Court wherein the person has to prove their innocence misses the point. The politician is not accused of anything, however all persons running for public office, especially the presidency, are asked to provide all records at their disposal that bear on their qualifications – medical, military, selective service, university essays, tax records. It doesn’t mean the person running is guilty of anything because a request is made, this is a formality in American politics where the politician has an affirmative duty to provide all records.

Let’s cut to the chase. Based on the stonewalling by Obama’s team, there is either one of two situations going on here – either Obama knows the hospital issued birth records do not exist, or he plans on releasing it at the most advantageous moment for his candidacy. I doubt the latter possibility. According to the polls I’ve seen, some 50,000,000 to 70,000,000 Americans are wondering where Obama was born. It seems inconceivable he would allow that idea to persist amongst so many citizens if he was able to refute the rumors.

50,000,000 to 70,000,000 Americans are illiterate too.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html

Even Ann Coulter believes Obama is a natural-born citizen. That’s good enough for me.

Taitz was actually very effective and no one had an answer for her charges; for example, the situation where the Governor of Hawaii said he would personally put the rumor to rest and then announced that no birth certificate existed, that only an annotation in the record where a colb was issued for Obama. The Governor appeared to be shocked but I wasn’t surprised. Right now, if I had to be everything I own, i would bet he was not born in Hawaii. Basically, they came to Hawaii when he was a baby, requested a colb be issued and the family in Hawaii had already bought a birth announcement in the newspaper. The greatest scandal in American history. I tell ya, if he did use false social security numbers as well, we may be looking at an impeachment if he is re-elected. I hope he doesn’t win the election to spare our great country from another debilitating scandal.

Cyber, Coulter is thinking politics and that’s it. She figures a Republican nominee can beat Obama straight up and shouldn’t get bogged down in this scandal. Scandals have a way of dirtying everyone. Romney figures the same thing, he doesn’t want to be bothered with this.

TrollJuice said:
50,000,000 to 70,000,000 Americans are illiterate too.

Some of them might be HERE. For instance –

dungx said:
they came to Hawaii when he was a baby, requested a colb be issued and the family in Hawaii had already bought a birth announcement in the newspaper. The greatest scandal in American history. I tell ya, if he did use false social security numbers as well, we may be looking at an impeachment if he is re-elected. I hope he doesn’t win the election to spare our great country from another debilitating scandal.

“Sanity” is just a concept to you, isn’t it?

mediadoubt said:
I realize that it’s none of my business, but you don’t have anybody reporting to you in your job, do you? Presuming you’re employed, that is. I only ask because had this terrible thought that maybe some poor schmoe has you for a boss, and I just don’t know how anyone could possibly put up with that.

Sit down and shut up.

mediadoubt said:
I don’t think King’s line of discussion at 9:30 is so crazy. He’s trying to make the point that, even though Obama professes disinterest in birtherism, he might nevertheless be slipping in some inclusive/defensive language every once in awhile just to take the edge off birther’s ear-shattering shrieks. I don’t buy it for a minute, but Obama is a very thoughtful, considered politician, and it’s not unimaginable he’d do something subtle like that.

Alternatively, maybe King just wanted to make that harridan Taitz shut up for a minute or two and is too professional to simply have her mike cut off.

As to why CNN devotes 12 minutes on this babbling putz, it’s directly analogous to what — in a more innocent age — got people to pay good money to watch geeks biting the heads off chicken in freak shows. Colorful nutbags are entertaining!

Somebody’s got a crush on the ‘ alleged ‘ president. Don’t worry though, you’re secret’s safe with me.

mediadoubt said:
You have put your finger on the place where all the birther claims fall apart. The citizenship of Obama’s parents is completely irrelevant because he was born on US soil. The distinction between “natural born citizen” and “citizen” (a distinction which is itself moot, because the language in the 14th Amendment isn’t identical to that in the main body of the Constitution) simply doesn’t apply.

There is less proof Barack was born on US soil than he wasn’t yet you come here like some expert, why?

All you base your case on is the fact that ignorant, liberal people in this country say those that say otherwise are either crazy, racist or both, that’s crazy and racist in and of itself.

You are a crazy racist liberal which automatically disqualifies you from the discussion. I know you’re not going to stop just because of what you are..I just wanted to point out that us ” real ” Americans are on to you….BIG TIME.

mediadoubt said:
I don’t think King’s line of discussion at 9:30 is so crazy. He’s trying to make the point that, even though Obama professes disinterest in birtherism, he might nevertheless be slipping in some inclusive/defensive language every once in awhile just to take the edge off birther’s ear-shattering shrieks. I don’t buy it for a minute, but Obama is a very thoughtful, considered politician, and it’s not unimaginable he’d do something subtle like that.

Alternatively, maybe King just wanted to make that harridan Taitz shut up for a minute or two and is too professional to simply have her mike cut off.

As to why CNN devotes 12 minutes on this babbling putz, it’s directly analogous to what — in a more innocent age — got people to pay good money to watch geeks biting the heads off chicken in freak shows. Colorful nutbags are entertaining!

Which way are you leaning on King’s state of mind at 9: 36 and again at 9:40 & 3/4? Inquiring minds are dying to know………please.

Barack Must Go said:
Which way are you leaning on King’s state of mind at 9: 36 and again at 9:40 & 3/4? Inquiring minds are dying to know………please.

as I said in another thread, pompous ass!

I’m sure Obamo was born in the U.S.

Trouble is, no one wants to admit being anywhere near it when it happened.

Tommy . Here’s an interesting question .
If you know any journalists ,pass this along to one .

Where is Tony Rezco ?

John “Lay Down” King, “If President Obama where White, would we be going through this?” This is the lefty’s last argument.

I am in favor of each state passing a law, because the Fed’s like to pick and choose the laws they enforce. The onslaught of illegal immigrants in AZ is a prime example.

So go for it States…we are for it.

Jaurez said:
Obama made it an issue.

so its Obama’s fault that youre a crazy racist piece of shit?????……nice try birther….that dont fly

ChrisNH said:
The story behind the story is that Obamo is utterly despised and hated by millions upon millions for wrecking this country. Things were fine until this big-eared jerk came along. Obamo is clearly the worst and most-hated president ever. The porch-sitters who ‘adore’ him, well, they live for handouts and entitlements anyway. It’s what we expect.

lol…you seem to be a tad bit stupid…..perhaps if you had the ability to remember anything that happened prior to jan 20, 2009 you would have a different view….but in all your racist delusion you cant bring yourself to do it…i remember the fall of 2008 when you stupid ass republicans were in a full scale panic, worrying about the decreasing value of your 401 k and 600,000 people losing their jobs a month. Was Obama president then???NOPE…i dont remember any of you dumbasses complaining about the number of US troops dying in Iraq or how much money the war was costing us, nor were you complaining about the billions in entitlements and handouts that Bush was giving to millionaires….narry a word from wingnuts like you…now suddenly you got issues….get real asswipe….stop lying to yourself….Obama has done nothing but lowered your taxes and created more jobs in 2 years than bush did in 8…..the republican party depends on dummies like you that vote against their own best interests….who worry more about whats going on in an unrelated womans womb than whats happening in their own pocket…….YOU SIR HAVE AN ISSUE WITH RACE, SEEK HELP ASSHOLE…BETTER STILL JUST END YOUR OWN MISERY BY EXITING THIS COUNTRY… AND STOP SPREADING YOUR ILLNESS AROUND

Mediaite certainly has a winning formula with this birther story. Its like teasing a little girl with a spider.

ProObamaAgenda said:
so its Obama’s fault that youre a crazy racist piece of shit?????……nice try birther….that dont fly

ProObama, you might be interested in check this out…. http://www.angerclassonline.com/ Sounds to me like you need it. Just saying!!!!!

ProObamaAgenda said:
so its Obama’s fault that youre a crazy racist piece of shit?????……nice try birther….that dont fly

ProObamaAgenda said:
lol…you seem to be a tad bit stupid…..perhaps if you had the ability to remember anything that happened prior to jan 20, 2009 you would have a different view….but in all your racist delusion you cant bring yourself to do it…i remember the fall of 2008 when you stupid ass republicans were in a full scale panic, worrying about the decreasing value of your 401 k and 600,000 people losing their jobs a month. Was Obama president then???NOPE…i dont remember any of you dumbasses complaining about the number of US troops dying in Iraq or how much money the war was costing us, nor were you complaining about the billions in entitlements and handouts that Bush was giving to millionaires….narry a word from wingnuts like you…now suddenly you got issues….get real asswipe….stop lying to yourself….Obama has done nothing but lowered your taxes and created more jobs in 2 years than bush did in 8…..the republican party depends on dummies like you that vote against their own best interests….who worry more about whats going on in an unrelated womans womb than whats happening in their own pocket…….YOU SIR HAVE AN ISSUE WITH RACE, SEEK HELP ASSHOLE…BETTER STILL JUST END YOUR OWN MISERY BY EXITING THIS COUNTRY… AND STOP SPREADING YOUR ILLNESS AROUND

What are the symptoms of rabies in people?

After an average of 30 to 50 days (as short as 14 days or longer than a year) from exposure to a rabid animal, a person develops an illness that may include fever, sore throat, stiff muscles, headache, tiredness, restlessness, nausea, and itching or tingling at the site of the bite. As the disease progresses, a person may become agitated, with periods of calm. Fear of water caused by severe throat spasms when trying to drink may occur. Paralysis then starts in the legs and moves towards the head. Most people die from cardiac arrest or respiratory failure within a short period after onset of illness.

http://www.ndhealth.gov/disease/Rabies/QandA.htm

ProObamaAgenda said:
so its Obama’s fault that youre a crazy racist piece of shit?????……nice try birther….that dont fly

Neither did the dodo bird you dodo. Time for you to wake up and smell the Obama.

Barack Must Go said:
There is less proof Barack was born on US soil than he wasn’t yet you come here like some expert, why?

All you base your case on is the fact that ignorant, liberal people in this country say those that say otherwise are either crazy, racist or both, that’s crazy and racist in and of itself.

You are a crazy racist liberal which automatically disqualifies you from the discussion. I know you’re not going to stop just because of what you are..I just wanted to point out that us ” real ” Americans are on to you….BIG TIME.

OK, so you don’t supervise any poor sod(s) at work (if you work), which makes me feel a bit better.

Let’s talk “proof.” Not only is there no proof whatsoever that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii, there’s not even any evidence. There is only suspicion, which people like you elevate to proof in your own minds and then pretend to be outraged when sensible people tell you to go pound sand.

On the other hand, there is validation from the State of Hawaii that Obama was born there in a form that Hawaiian authorities consider incontrovertible, but which you do not. Again you’re blowing up your unfounded suspicions and trying — by yelling real loud — to make them transmute themselves into proof.

I do think you’re crazy, in fact, but I’d appreciate it if you didn’t play the race card with me as I have never played it with you or the others who don’t want to hear what I have to say. I may have my suspicions as to your motives, but — unlike you — I don’t think suspicions equal proof, so I keep them to myself.

I base my case on the fact (please note that word) that all credible authorities have rejected birther arguments as nonsensical. You may find “all credible authorities” inadequate to dissuade you from your pet delusion, but very few others would.

Real Americans — a much larger body of people than your definition would encompass — have long since figured out that birtherism is something between a hobby and a psychosis for its adherents, and that (outside of its freak-show aspects like Orly Taitz) it really isn’t worth the time of day.

The Lantern of Truth said:
What are the symptoms of rabies in people?

After an average of 30 to 50 days (as short as 14 days or longer than a year) from exposure to a rabid animal, a person develops an illness that may include fever, sore throat, stiff muscles, headache, tiredness, restlessness, nausea, and itching or tingling at the site of the bite. As the disease progresses, a person may become agitated, with periods of calm. Fear of water caused by severe throat spasms when trying to drink may occur. Paralysis then starts in the legs and moves towards the head. Most people die from cardiac arrest or respiratory failure within a short period after onset of illness.

http://www.ndhealth.gov/disease/Rabies/QandA.htm

IT THAT ALL STUPID RACIST ASSWIPES CAN BRING?????….PROOVES TO ME JUST HOW INEPT YOU ARE……DUMBASSES

Why’d they cut Taitz off everytime she mentioned the Obama’s SSN? I’ve heard some people say that he is using a dead guy’s SSN and I was interested in what she had to say…

mediadoubt said:
OK, so you don’t supervise any poor sod(s) at work (if you work), which makes me feel a bit better.

Let’s talk “proof.” Not only is there no proof whatsoever that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii, there’s not even any evidence. There is only suspicion, which people like you elevate to proof in your own minds and then pretend to be outraged when sensible people tell you to go pound sand.

On the other hand, there is validation from the State of Hawaii that Obama was born there in a form that Hawaiian authorities consider incontrovertible, but which you do not. Again you’re blowing up your unfounded suspicions and trying — by yelling real loud — to make them transmute themselves into proof.

I do think you’re crazy, in fact, but I’d appreciate it if you didn’t play the race card with me as I have never played it with you or the others who don’t want to hear what I have to say. I may have my suspicions as to your motives, but — unlike you — I don’t think suspicions equal proof, so I keep them to myself.

I base my case on the fact (please note that word) that all credible authorities have rejected birther arguments as nonsensical. You may find “all credible authorities” inadequate to dissuade you from your pet delusion, but very few others would.

Real Americans — a much larger body of people than your definition would encompass — have long since figured out that birtherism is something between a hobby and a psychosis for its adherents, and that (outside of its freak-show aspects like Orly Taitz) it really isn’t worth the time of day.

He isn’t eligible because his father was Kenyan, a British subject at the time of 0bama’s birth. 0bama inherited that citizenship giving him dual citizenship. Dual citizens are not natural born as is required to be POTUS according to Vattel’s Law of Nations (the basis for our Constitution) and Rep. John Bingham (father of the 14th Amendment).
All this “Where’s the BC” stuff is perpetuated by the 0bama admin and the DNC to distract from the fact that we already know 0bama is ineligible even if born in Hawaii.

dougx said:
Taitz was actually very effective and no one had an answer for her charges; for example, the situation where the Governor of Hawaii said he would personally put the rumor to rest and then announced that no birth certificate existed, that only an annotation in the record where a colb was issued for Obama. The Governor appeared to be shocked but I wasn’t surprised. Right now, if I had to be everything I own, i would bet he was not born in Hawaii. Basically, they came to Hawaii when he was a baby, requested a colb be issued and the family in Hawaii had already bought a birth announcement in the newspaper. The greatest scandal in American history. I tell ya, if he did use false social security numbers as well, we may be looking at an impeachment if he is re-elected. I hope he doesn’t win the election to spare our great country from another debilitating scandal.

You win the dumb comment of the day award…Why not impeach now if Obama broke the rules???…the governor of Hawaii story was debunked by the rightwing radio Hollywood reporter who went to high school with the governor and told the lie in the 1st place….HE HIMSELF WENT ON THE RADIO AND ADMITTED HE MADE A MISTAKE…that doesn’t matter to you wingnuts…only the lie matters RIGHT….your social security number story is false as well…..FUNNY THO…john king forgot to point out that orly taints took this bullshit story of hers to federal court AND LOST and was fined for bringing frivolous junk to the courtroom….EVEN YOUR RIGHTWING LED US Supreme Court disagreed with the birthers……TRY PEOPLES COURT OR JUDGE JUDY NEXT TIME WINGNUT… Enough of the bullshit BIRTHER…Get a life….Oh If you really want to bet everything you own……i’ll take the bet….make sure you include your pot to piss in and the window to throw it out of…..DUMBASS

mediadoubt said:
OK, so you don’t supervise any poor sod(s) at work (if you work), which makes me feel a bit better.

Let’s talk “proof.” Not only is there no proof whatsoever that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii, there’s not even any evidence. There is only suspicion, which people like you elevate to proof in your own minds and then pretend to be outraged when sensible people tell you to go pound sand.

On the other hand, there is validation from the State of Hawaii that Obama was born there in a form that Hawaiian authorities consider incontrovertible, but which you do not. Again you’re blowing up your unfounded suspicions and trying — by yelling real loud — to make them transmute themselves into proof.

I do think you’re crazy, in fact, but I’d appreciate it if you didn’t play the race card with me as I have never played it with you or the others who don’t want to hear what I have to say. I may have my suspicions as to your motives, but — unlike you — I don’t think suspicions equal proof, so I keep them to myself.

I base my case on the fact (please note that word) that all credible authorities have rejected birther arguments as nonsensical. You may find “all credible authorities” inadequate to dissuade you from your pet delusion, but very few others would.

Real Americans — a much larger body of people than your definition would encompass — have long since figured out that birtherism is something between a hobby and a psychosis for its adherents, and that (outside of its freak-show aspects like Orly Taitz) it really isn’t worth the time of day.

He isn’t eligible because his father was Kenyan, a British subject at the time of 0bama’s birth. 0bama inherited that citizenship giving him dual citizenship. Dual citizens are not natural born as is required to be POTUS according to Vattel’s Law of Nations (the basis for our Constitution) and Rep. John Bingham (father of the 14th Amendment).
All this “Where’s the BC” stuff is perpetuated by the 0bama admin and the DNC to distract from the fact that we already know 0bama is ineligible even if born in Hawaii.

mediadoubt said:
OK, so you don’t supervise any poor sod(s) at work (if you work), which makes me feel a bit better.

Let’s talk “proof.” Not only is there no proof whatsoever that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii, there’s not even any evidence. There is only suspicion, which people like you elevate to proof in your own minds and then pretend to be outraged when sensible people tell you to go pound sand.

On the other hand, there is validation from the State of Hawaii that Obama was born there in a form that Hawaiian authorities consider incontrovertible, but which you do not. Again you’re blowing up your unfounded suspicions and trying — by yelling real loud — to make them transmute themselves into proof.

I do think you’re crazy, in fact, but I’d appreciate it if you didn’t play the race card with me as I have never played it with you or the others who don’t want to hear what I have to say. I may have my suspicions as to your motives, but — unlike you — I don’t think suspicions equal proof, so I keep them to myself.

I base my case on the fact (please note that word) that all credible authorities have rejected birther arguments as nonsensical. You may find “all credible authorities” inadequate to dissuade you from your pet delusion, but very few others would.

Real Americans — a much larger body of people than your definition would encompass — have long since figured out that birtherism is something between a hobby and a psychosis for its adherents, and that (outside of its freak-show aspects like Orly Taitz) it really isn’t worth the time of day.

Why do you need to misinform people if 0bama is indeed eligible?

Fact: Every “birther” case has been dismissed on standing, on 0bama’s argument that mere United States citizens (peons) do not have the authority to question 0bama’s eligibility. Not one case was dismissed on the merits.

The natural born citizen requirement was made to protect us from just such a person as 0bama, one who hates the United States and puts the needs of foreign states ahead of our own. Your consensus has allowed him to usurp our Constitution and now he shreds it by declaring war on Libya, ignoring federal judges’ rulings, refusing to secure our borders, groping us in airports, and giving himself access to all of our emails 180 days after we sent them. Wake up, people!

ProObamaAgenda said:
IT THAT ALL STUPID RACIST ASSWIPES CAN BRING?????….PROOVES TO ME JUST HOW INEPT YOU ARE……DUMBASSES

Do you use a knife and fork , or do you just stick your face in your food bowl and have at it ?

Who cares to PROOOVE anything to you , Bigfoot ?

ProObamaAgenda said:
IT THAT ALL STUPID RACIST ASSWIPES CAN BRING?????….PROOVES TO ME JUST HOW INEPT YOU ARE……DUMBASSES

This is your contribution and you call other people names?

BlackSunshine84 said:
Why’d they cut Taitz off everytime she mentioned the Obama’s SSN? I’ve heard some people say that he is using a dead guy’s SSN and I was interested in what she had to say…

“This is what we know so far. We get more info on Jean Paul Ludwig, who was born in 1890, had CT SSN obtained in 1976 and died in HI around 1981. There are 2 SS numbers for him and records show him dying in 2 different states: CA and HI around 1981.

The reason this is important, is because there is a similar fact pattern to Obama. Barack Obama is residing today in the White House, using CT SS number 042-68-4425, issued in CT in and around March 1977 to an elderly individual named John Paul Ludwig, who was born in 1890, who is presumed dead and whose death was either never reported to the SS administration or reported and deleted from the database by someone.

Obama’s maternal grandmother Madelyn Dunham, worked as a part-timer or volunteer in the Probate Office in the Honolulu Hawaii Courthouse. Thus she would have access to the estate files of anyone who died there. Thus if the elderly man originally from CT died intestate in Hawaii with no known relatives, Grandma Dunham would have known this person is a prime candidate to steal the SSN of since there would be no known surviving family worrying about the death benefit from SSN and that the benefit was not likely applied for and thus SSA did not know he died. Thus the SSN remained active for the deceased person and Obama could “adopt” it as his own. This is a clear case of identity theft at the federal level. ”

http://randysright.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/bad-news-for-obama-1890-ss-number-traced-to-dead-man-in-hi/

mediadoubt said:
You have put your finger on the place where all the birther claims fall apart. The citizenship of Obama’s parents is completely irrelevant because he was born on US soil. The distinction between “natural born citizen” and “citizen” (a distinction which is itself moot, because the language in the 14th Amendment isn’t identical to that in the main body of the Constitution) simply doesn’t apply.

Moot? Because you say so? A natural born citizen is one born on United States soil to parents who are United States citizens owing no fealty to a foreign state meaning that in order for 0bama to be eligible he would have had to be born here to parents of U.S. citizens. The 14th Amendment does not state that everyone born here is a natural born citizen, does not even mention natural born citizenship. The author of the 14th said himself on many occasions that a natural born citizen is as I stated above. One born on United States soil to United States citizen parents.
Here’s a direct quote from Rep John Bingham stated on the house floor:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

BlackSunshine84 said:
Moot? Because you say so? A natural born citizen is one born on United States soil to parents who are United States citizens owing no fealty to a foreign state meaning that in order for 0bama to be eligible he would have had to be born here to parents of U.S. citizens. The 14th Amendment does not state that everyone born here is a natural born citizen, does not even mention natural born citizenship. The author of the 14th said himself on many occasions that a natural born citizen is as I stated above. One born on United States soil to United States citizen parents.
Here’s a direct quote from Rep John Bingham stated on the house floor:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

*in order for 0bama to be eligible he would have had to be born here to parents who are United States citizens

mediadoubt said:
OK, so you don’t supervise any poor sod(s) at work (if you work), which makes me feel a bit better.

Let’s talk “proof.” Not only is there no proof whatsoever that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii, there’s not even any evidence. There is only suspicion, which people like you elevate to proof in your own minds and then pretend to be outraged when sensible people tell you to go pound sand.

On the other hand, there is validation from the State of Hawaii that Obama was born there in a form that Hawaiian authorities consider incontrovertible, but which you do not. Again you’re blowing up your unfounded suspicions and trying — by yelling real loud — to make them transmute themselves into proof.

I do think you’re crazy, in fact, but I’d appreciate it if you didn’t play the race card with me as I have never played it with you or the others who don’t want to hear what I have to say. I may have my suspicions as to your motives, but — unlike you — I don’t think suspicions equal proof, so I keep them to myself.

I base my case on the fact (please note that word) that all credible authorities have rejected birther arguments as nonsensical. You may find “all credible authorities” inadequate to dissuade you from your pet delusion, but very few others would.

Real Americans — a much larger body of people than your definition would encompass — have long since figured out that birtherism is something between a hobby and a psychosis for its adherents, and that (outside of its freak-show aspects like Orly Taitz) it really isn’t worth the time of day.

There in lies the rub. What left wing Obama sycophants such as yourself state as fact, which you’ve erroneously done again here, is to hide behind the statement ” all credible authorities ” as your honest to allah truth in this matter.

There is NO record of Barack Hussein Obama jr. beeing born in any one of the two hospitals referred to as Queens hospital…..none….why? Does this not warrent some investigation? Are there records of ” live births ” still on record of the other babies supposedly born during the alleged time he was supposedly born? If yes, why no record of Barack jr. ?

The state of Hawaii issued that bogus ” live birth ” record at Obama family request, apparently with no hard copy proof, just some family members word. This is Your proof of American citizenship ? See you in court on that one.

The Obama regime, their citizen army in the MSM and Obama as your messiah misguided individuals such as yourself dismiss this Tate woman, as crazy and racist, out of hand, which is racist, crazy and most of all the un – American guerilla tactics of the syubversive Obama regime. The treatment of the Tea Party folks is another example of the tactics employed against all those that do not bow down ( cow tow ) to YOUR false god, Barack Obama.

John King, a highly respect left wing journalist, in the 12 minute before he realized just how far in over his head he truly was, abruptly ending his interview, addmitted before us ” real ” American people, you liberals, the entire world, and the one true GOD, Orly Taitz, was in fact not only NOT crazy, but SPOT ON in exposing the current imposter, pretending to be the sitting president of the United States of America in violation of the Constitution as well as federal laws of this country, and your argument ( the non bullshit, provable part ) solely consists of your statement, ” why would King give this crazy person 12 minutes “. That’s it, nothing else but that.

Thanks to Donald Trump the Obama lie and subsequent elaborate un – American cover up by the morally banrupt left wing bomb throwers among us will no longer be allowed to stand. The truth, whatever it turns out to be, will have it’s day in court, even if that court turns out to be the hearts and minds of us ” real ” American people.

BlackSunshine84 said:
He isn’t eligible because his father was Kenyan, a British subject at the time of 0bama’s birth. 0bama inherited that citizenship giving him dual citizenship. Dual citizens are not natural born as is required to be POTUS according to Vattel’s Law of Nations (the basis for our Constitution) and Rep. John Bingham (father of the 14th Amendment).
All this “Where’s the BC” stuff is perpetuated by the 0bama admin and the DNC to distract from the fact that we already know 0bama is ineligible even if born in Hawaii.

The “Law of Nations” argument has, as have all related arguments that depend on wacky legal theories determined to be irrelevant for about 200 years, been dismissed as piffle by all credible authorities. It’s like Chevy Chase’s 30-year-old joke about General Franco: “He’s still dead.”

Sheeeeeit said:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html

but does he meet the Constitutional requirement that our POTUS be a natural born citizen? No.

BlackSunshine84 said:
He isn’t eligible because his father was Kenyan, a British subject at the time of 0bama’s birth. 0bama inherited that citizenship giving him dual citizenship. Dual citizens are not natural born as is required to be POTUS according to Vattel’s Law of Nations (the basis for our Constitution) and Rep. John Bingham (father of the 14th Amendment).
All this “Where’s the BC” stuff is perpetuated by the 0bama admin and the DNC to distract from the fact that we already know 0bama is ineligible even if born in Hawaii.
Why do you need to misinform people if 0bama is indeed eligible?

Fact: Every “birther” case has been dismissed on standing, on 0bama’s argument that mere United States citizens (peons) do not have the authority to question 0bama’s eligibility. Not one case was dismissed on the merits.

Dismissed is dismissed.

meena140 said:
why have the crazy’s like her/Trump etc. on the show in the first place?

Because they are scared of the birther issue and Dr.Taitz distracts people from the fact that 0bama is ineligible despite his Hawaiian birth. People born with dual citizenship are not natural born citizens to either country they owe allegiance to.

The Lantern of Truth said:
“This is what we know so far. We get more info on Jean Paul Ludwig, who was born in 1890, had CT SSN obtained in 1976 and died in HI around 1981. There are 2 SS numbers for him and records show him dying in 2 different states: CA and HI around 1981.

The reason this is important, is because there is a similar fact pattern to Obama. Barack Obama is residing today in the White House, using CT SS number 042-68-4425, issued in CT in and around March 1977 to an elderly individual named John Paul Ludwig, who was born in 1890, who is presumed dead and whose death was either never reported to the SS administration or reported and deleted from the database by someone.

Obama’s maternal grandmother Madelyn Dunham, worked as a part-timer or volunteer in the Probate Office in the Honolulu Hawaii Courthouse. Thus she would have access to the estate files of anyone who died there. Thus if the elderly man originally from CT died intestate in Hawaii with no known relatives, Grandma Dunham would have known this person is a prime candidate to steal the SSN of since there would be no known surviving family worrying about the death benefit from SSN and that the benefit was not likely applied for and thus SSA did not know he died. Thus the SSN remained active for the deceased person and Obama could “adopt” it as his own. This is a clear case of identity theft at the federal level. ”

http://randysright.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/bad-news-for-obama-1890-ss-number-traced-to-dead-man-in-hi/

This is total poppycock. But if it gets you off (and makes ‘Licans look like dumb clucks without a lick of sense), please do continue to promote it.

BlackSunshine84 said:
Moot? Because you say so? A natural born citizen is one born on United States soil to parents who are United States citizens owing no fealty to a foreign state meaning that in order for 0bama to be eligible he would have had to be born here to parents of U.S. citizens. The 14th Amendment does not state that everyone born here is a natural born citizen, does not even mention natural born citizenship. The author of the 14th said himself on many occasions that a natural born citizen is as I stated above. One born on United States soil to United States citizen parents.
Here’s a direct quote from Rep John Bingham stated on the house floor:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

And this issue has been answered millions of times since 1866. The law in force at the time Obama was born makes him a natural born citizen because of the fact that the birth took place in Hawaii.

mediadoubt said:
The “Law of Nations” argument has, as have all related arguments that depend on wacky legal theories determined to be irrelevant for about 200 years, been dismissed as piffle by all credible authorities. It’s like Chevy Chase’s 30-year-old joke about General Franco: “He’s still dead.”

Dismissed by you and other socialists who would like to see our Constitution dismantled. Not by all. And you are outnumbered as you shall see soon.

mediadoubt said:
Dismissed is dismissed.

If dismissed is dismissed, then be honest. Say the truth, the “birther” cases were dismissed because 0bama argues that we don’t have the right to know if he is eligible. Don’t lie, don’t say the cases were dismissed on the merits.

mediadoubt said:
And this issue has been answered millions of times since 1866. The law in force at the time Obama was born makes him a natural born citizen because of the fact that the birth took place in Hawaii.

Another lie! Natural born citizenship is mentioned only ONCE in our Constitution and that is in Article 2, Section 1: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

You make no sense at all. Why make such a requirement and then say anyone born here is natural born? According to you, the children of illegal aliens are eligible.

I wonder why Fukino has now resigned…

BlackSunshine84 said:
Dismissed by you and other socialists who would like to see our Constitution dismantled. Not by all. And you are outnumbered as you shall see soon.

If dismissed is dismissed, then be honest. Say the truth, the “birther” cases were dismissed because 0bama argues that we don’t have the right to know if he is eligible. Don’t lie, don’t say the cases were dismissed on the merits.

Exactly correct; No court made any decision on the Merits of the argument or issue of Obama’s Birth status, or the circumstances surrounding Obama’s birth. They never addressed the central issue; Every Court decision specifically avoided it, and in all cases dismissed for procedural issues or Standing…every single one.

I also agree that the question regarding his SSN is huge…it is the ‘Elephant in the Room’, that no one wants to acknowledge. Because this SSN data Is available to any Congressman with the willingness, and balls to make the inquiry. It is also the one place where a smart clerk can derail the Obama train.

We know that Obama never lived in Conn, yet his SSN was Issued in 1980 to a Resident of Conn. So whose SSN is it? We also know that the SSN he used at Occidental College was different from the one he is using today, and that the Occidental SSN Obama used is in the number range commonly issued to foreign students.

We live in interesting times, and It’s about to get Very interesting…

First, a hat tip to Mr. Belcher. He really contributed a lot to the interview.

I wonder, today, how many who have defended this con-man, impostor, are thinking is it possible for 10,000 people to get indicted for covering for this guy?

Well, I don’t know. The first break they get are that american’s are an incredibly dumb lot. Its taking them a long time to figure this out. But eventually they will. Just like an out break of roaches in a building owned by Tony Rezko. At first there’s but a few. But eventually the entire apartment building is infested.

And that’s what it’s like here folks. The Obots know, or should know, about misprision of treason. After this is over, they are going to rudely find out what it means.

The fact is that on the original Hawaiian BCs in 1961 under where someone was born it asks” State, Island or Foreign Country.”

That’s why Barry doesn’t want to release the original BC!

Here is what we know:

1.Our Constitution requires that our POTUS be a natural born U.S. citizen.

2. Obama may have been born in Hawaii with dual British/USA citizenship.

3. The SSN that Obama is using (according to his selective service record) was issued to one Jean Paul Ludwig in 1977.

Let’s begin our debate here, shall we? Are persons born with dual citizenship natural born citizens?

I say, no, because the framers of our Constitution intentionally distinguished between themselves and natural born United States citizens for the sole purpose of protecting us from usurpation by a foreign interest.

Karl Rove is right. You guys are screwing yourself. Here’s why. Every time is seriously think of voting Republican in the next election and changing my point of view with respect to where we should be heading as a country and the fact that I can spend my money better than Washington, here’s what shows up:

1. Birthers. Guys, POTUS is one of us. There is no way a plot like what you describe could have ever been hatched.
2. Rush opens his mouth and says something really stupid
3. Hanity opens his mouth and says something really stupid
4. Fox and Freinds suggests my wife can get a cancer detecting pap smear at a corner drug store
5. Sarah makes it all about her….again
6. Kyl uses his place on the floor to suggest Planned Parent hood is 90% about abortions
7. You guys act like the U.S. owed $ 0.00.00 when Obama took over
8. Those silly costumes the Tea Party people wear
9. Michelle Bachman. Seriously. Can she just answer a question. Just one
10. After POTUS ripped the front row of Republican a new rear end the other day, they ran home crying to mommy all “disappointed” instead of growing some testicles and acting like the men their fathers likley were

So, here I am again. Every time I think I’m going to switch I just say to myself, “I could never honestly say I could hang out with you guys and tell my friends”. And you know what? There are a lot of us out here. A lot ! Heare that. There are a lot of us like this out here. STOP blowing it. You could own the House and Senate and White House, but……oh there’s Hannity again and oh what’s that the Donald is saying. No wonder you are all pro-gun. You love shooting yourself in the foot.

GoneFishing said:
We live in interesting times, and It’s about to get Very interesting…

Well, yes, with Trump running in the lead, it already is. The republicans are on the verge of a nervous breakdown and that certainly will not spell win in 2012. And the irony is that the birther issue does more to encourage a party split than any other issue right now, thanks to Trump and Huck. If Trump hooks up with Palin, and if the traditional republicans turn up their nose, then both are the kind of rogues to go third party. If that were to spread to local races, with third party candidates running as tea partiers, the dems could break the bank.

huntingtonboy said:
8. Those silly costumes the Tea Party people wear

you don’t like those?

huntingtonboy said:
Karl Rove is right. You guys are screwing yourself. Here’s why. Every time is seriously think of voting Republican in the next election and changing my point of view with respect to where we should be heading as a country and the fact that I can spend my money better than Washington, here’s what shows up:

1. Birthers. Guys, POTUS is one of us. There is no way a plot like what you describe could have ever been hatched.
2. Rush opens his mouth and says something really stupid
3. Hanity opens his mouth and says something really stupid
4. Fox and Freinds suggests my wife can get a cancer detecting pap smear at a corner drug store
5. Sarah makes it all about her….again
6. Kyl uses his place on the floor to suggest Planned Parent hood is 90% about abortions
7. You guys act like the U.S. owed $ 0.00.00 when Obama took over
8. Those silly costumes the Tea Party people wear
9. Michelle Bachman. Seriously. Can she just answer a question. Just one
10. After POTUS ripped the front row of Republican a new rear end the other day, they ran home crying to mommy all “disappointed” instead of growing some testicles and acting like the men their fathers likley were

So, here I am again. Every time I think I’m going to switch I just say to myself, “I could never honestly say I could hang out with you guys and tell my friends”. And you know what? There are a lot of us out here. A lot ! Heare that. There are a lot of us like this out here. STOP blowing it. You could own the House and Senate and White House, but……oh there’s Hannity again and oh what’s that the Donald is saying. No wonder you are all pro-gun. You love shooting yourself in the foot.

What plot? The DNC made a mistake, never asked 0bama if he was eligible and by the time they realized he wasn’t it was too late to go out and find another candidate, so they decided instead to cover up their mistake.

huntingtonboy said:
Karl Rove is right. You guys are screwing yourself. Here’s why. Every time is seriously think of voting Republican in the next election and changing my point of view with respect to where we should be heading as a country and the fact that I can spend my money better than Washington, here’s what shows up:

1. Birthers. Guys, POTUS is one of us. There is no way a plot like what you describe could have ever been hatched.
2. Rush opens his mouth and says something really stupid
3. Hanity opens his mouth and says something really stupid
4. Fox and Freinds suggests my wife can get a cancer detecting pap smear at a corner drug store
5. Sarah makes it all about her….again
6. Kyl uses his place on the floor to suggest Planned Parent hood is 90% about abortions
7. You guys act like the U.S. owed $ 0.00.00 when Obama took over
8. Those silly costumes the Tea Party people wear
9. Michelle Bachman. Seriously. Can she just answer a question. Just one
10. After POTUS ripped the front row of Republican a new rear end the other day, they ran home crying to mommy all “disappointed” instead of growing some testicles and acting like the men their fathers likley were

So, here I am again. Every time I think I’m going to switch I just say to myself, “I could never honestly say I could hang out with you guys and tell my friends”. And you know what? There are a lot of us out here. A lot ! Heare that. There are a lot of us like this out here. STOP blowing it. You could own the House and Senate and White House, but……oh there’s Hannity again and oh what’s that the Donald is saying. No wonder you are all pro-gun. You love shooting yourself in the foot.

Please, with all due respect, put a sock in it and by all means vote for Obama, that is if Hillary doesn’t kick his ass in the primary. Barack’at 41% today, 37% and Bill & Hillary pounce, and they pounce hard just they’re in the WWE., so go tell your friends the answer is NO…….now git.

huntingtonboy said:
Karl Rove is right. You guys are screwing yourself. Here’s why. Every time is seriously think of voting Republican in the next election and changing my point of view with respect to where we should be heading as a country and the fact that I can spend my money better than Washington, here’s what shows up:

1. Birthers. Guys, POTUS is one of us. There is no way a plot like what you describe could have ever been hatched.
2. Rush opens his mouth and says something really stupid
3. Hanity opens his mouth and says something really stupid
4. Fox and Freinds suggests my wife can get a cancer detecting pap smear at a corner drug store
5. Sarah makes it all about her….again
6. Kyl uses his place on the floor to suggest Planned Parent hood is 90% about abortions
7. You guys act like the U.S. owed $ 0.00.00 when Obama took over
8. Those silly costumes the Tea Party people wear
9. Michelle Bachman. Seriously. Can she just answer a question. Just one
10. After POTUS ripped the front row of Republican a new rear end the other day, they ran home crying to mommy all “disappointed” instead of growing some testicles and acting like the men their fathers likley were

So, here I am again. Every time I think I’m going to switch I just say to myself, “I could never honestly say I could hang out with you guys and tell my friends”. And you know what? There are a lot of us out here. A lot ! Heare that. There are a lot of us like this out here. STOP blowing it. You could own the House and Senate and White House, but……oh there’s Hannity again and oh what’s that the Donald is saying. No wonder you are all pro-gun. You love shooting yourself in the foot.

The mistakes they have made in covering it up is proof it was a quickly conceived plan and not some plot that took yrs to realize.

Barack Must Go said:
There in lies the rub. What left wing Obama sycophants such as yourself state as fact, which you’ve erroneously done again here, is to hide behind the statement ” all credible authorities ” as your honest to allah truth in this matter.

. . . and so on and so on . . .

I’m perfectly comfortable “hiding behind” the overwhelming majority of scholars, experts, and officials who consider birthers to be pea-brains, and birthers’ fantasies to be less likely than that the Loch Ness Monster shot John Kennedy. (Actually, that’s me that thinks birthers would lose out to a stegosaurus in a brain-weight contest.)

Does the name of the hospital Obama was born in warrant some investigation? Only if you lack more productive hobbies. Otherwise, no. The “bogus” live birth record is not, of course, bogus, and isn’t *my* proof of American citizenship — it’s the State of Hawaii’s. And I won’t be seeing you in court because you have no standing to raise such issues. Basically you (and your bretheren) are no more than extraordinarily cranky zealots who would, if left to your own devices, clog the courts and cost “real Americans” a truckload of money clearing your refuse out of the judicial cloaca.

While it’s true that I (and most everybody else) consider Taitz to be an unusually toxic variety of professional crackpot, racism doesn’t enter into the equation (unless you believe Taitz to be a “race” all on her own). For it’s part, the teabagger movement has earned every ounce of scorn it has received because of its use of rhetoric and practices that are only slightly less virulent than those of the birtherariat.

And puh-leeze. You don’t know me, so assigning false gods for me to believe in is unusually fatuous, even for you. For the record, IMO *all* gods are false and I don’t worship or kowtow to any of ‘em.

I’ve got to compliment you though, on the creative spin you’ve tried to impart to King’s admission that his network discusses topics that are not factually true, explaining that they do so solely because people are talking about them. Coming up with such a Bizarro World interpretation — that King was validating Taitz’ bilge — must have called for some world-class hallucinating. I hope you weren’t operating heavy machinery while you were dreaming up that little gem.

Enjoy Donald “Flash in the Pan” Trump while he’s around (although that flash may be his hair catching fire), because his current status as media darling will leak away in a day or two and he’ll go back to his default condition of creepy hack. I did want to point out, of course, that Trump has already abandoned birtherism as a tool for jazzing up his shambolic presidential freak show (he’s enough of a teevee pro to know when a joke’s gone stale), but I’m sure he’ll come up with something nearly as provocative in a little while to keep his itch well scratched.

In closing, I should tell you that write these responses as a form of recreation. Mostly I post on boards where people debate less gross differences of opinion, but I do enjoy ladeling it on people who produce the type of whacked-out, nonsensical babble that you specialize in.

huntingtonboy said:
7. You guys act like the U.S. owed $ 0.00.00 when Obama took over

No, son, we owed about $8.6 trillion- now with two years of Barry, we owe $14.3 trillion.

You do the math son!

BlackSunshine84 said:
Moot? Because you say so? A natural born citizen is one born on United States soil to parents who are United States citizens owing no fealty to a foreign state meaning that in order for 0bama to be eligible he would have had to be born here to parents of U.S. citizens. The 14th Amendment does not state that everyone born here is a natural born citizen, does not even mention natural born citizenship. The author of the 14th said himself on many occasions that a natural born citizen is as I stated above. One born on United States soil to United States citizen parents.
Here’s a direct quote from Rep John Bingham stated on the house floor:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

Moot means “arguable.” I think this thread gives ample evidence that the distinction between “citizen” and “natural born citizen” is arguable, wouldn’t you say?

mediadoubt said:
mediadoubt says:
April 16, 2011 at 11:18 am mediadoubt(Quote)

And after all the BS you posted , the simply fact, son, is that Barry will not allow Hawaiian authorities to release his original BC, and all the posturing and protestations of your scholars will not change that FACT!

BlackSunshine84 said:
Dismissed by you and other socialists who would like to see our Constitution dismantled. Not by all. And you are outnumbered as you shall see soon.
If dismissed is dismissed, then be honest. Say the truth, the “birther” cases were dismissed because 0bama argues that we don’t have the right to know if he is eligible. Don’t lie, don’t say the cases were dismissed on the merits.

To be fair, I’m using the term dismissed in a non-legal sense. I am not a lawyer. Nevertheless, birther arguments have been dismissed every imaginable way. Due to lack of standing, due to lack of evidence, due to inconsistency, due to fraudulent representations (e.g., Taitz’ phony Kenyan birth certificates). They have been analyzed by academia, professional legal commentators, experts on governance, and by people who have enough general education to tell the difference between shit and shinola. It’s a pretty comprehensive dismissal.

And yet you say those who consider birthers crackpots are outnumbered. You may not have noticed, but that’s simply not true.

mediadoubt said:
I’m perfectly comfortable “hiding behind” the overwhelming majority of scholars, experts, and officials who consider birthers to be pea-brains, and birthers’ fantasies to be less likely than that the Loch Ness Monster shot John Kennedy. (Actually, that’s me that thinks birthers would lose out to a stegosaurus in a brain-weight contest.)

Does the name of the hospital Obama was born in warrant some investigation? Only if you lack more productive hobbies. Otherwise, no. The “bogus” live birth record is not, of course, bogus, and isn’t *my* proof of American citizenship — it’s the State of Hawaii’s. And I won’t be seeing you in court because you have no standing to raise such issues. Basically you (and your bretheren) are no more than extraordinarily cranky zealots who would, if left to your own devices, clog the courts and cost “real Americans” a truckload of money clearing your refuse out of the judicial cloaca.

While it’s true that I (and most everybody else) consider Taitz to be an unusually toxic variety of professional crackpot, racism doesn’t enter into the equation (unless you believe Taitz to be a “race” all on her own). For it’s part, the teabagger movement has earned every ounce of scorn it has received because of its use of rhetoric and practices that are only slightly less virulent than those of the birtherariat.

And puh-leeze. You don’t know me, so assigning false gods for me to believe in is unusually fatuous, even for you. For the record, IMO *all* gods are false and I don’t worship or kowtow to any of ‘em.

I’ve got to compliment you though, on the creative spin you’ve tried to impart to King’s admission that his network discusses topics that are not factually true, explaining that they do so solely because people are talking about them. Coming up with such a Bizarro World interpretation — that King was validating Taitz’ bilge — must have called for some world-class hallucinating. I hope you weren’t operating heavy machinery while you were dreaming up that little gem.

Enjoy Donald “Flash in the Pan” Trump while he’s around (although that flash may be his hair catching fire), because his current status as media darling will leak away in a day or two and he’ll go back to his default condition of creepy hack. I did want to point out, of course, that Trump has already abandoned birtherism as a tool for jazzing up his shambolic presidential freak show (he’s enough of a teevee pro to know when a joke’s gone stale), but I’m sure he’ll come up with something nearly as provocative in a little while to keep his itch well scratched.

In closing, I should tell you that write these responses as a form of recreation. Mostly I post on boards where people debate less gross differences of opinion, but I do enjoy ladeling it on people who produce the type of whacked-out, nonsensical babble that you specialize in.

A bit convoluted and long winded, but consider your apology accepted.

Why is Dan Abrams site attracting so many birthers and baggers?

Any updates on the Globe Magazine story which questioned Obama/Soetoro/Soebarkah to the Gay Choir Boy murder in Chicago? Have detectives in Chicago made any headway in there investigation?

Another strange incident, still unsolved, is the murder of Lt. Quarles Harris in Wash, D.C. (That is his correct name)

Harris, one of several apprehended in the US State Dept breach of McCain, Hillary, Obama passport records, illegally accessed before the election, (Where Obama passport records completely disappeared) purportedly told police detectives he and his accomplices broke into the computers to steal the data to use in frauduently obtaining American Express credit cards.

Why didn’t they look for Donald Trump’s record’s too. He’s not too well known either!

notsofast said:
And after all the BS you posted , the simply fact, son, is that Barry will not allow Hawaiian authorities to release his original BC, and all the posturing and protestations of your scholars will not change that FACT!

Yes! As a Magic Negro, Obama has been able to steatl the souls of the Hawaiian registrars and now keeps them in a little jar in the bottom drawer of his desk. He also has Hilary Clinton’s fingernail clippings in there, which is how he keeps her in line.

mediadoubt said:
To be fair, I’m using the term dismissed in a non-legal sense. I am not a lawyer. Nevertheless, birther arguments have been dismissed every imaginable way. Due to lack of standing, due to lack of evidence, due to inconsistency, due to fraudulent representations (e.g., Taitz’ phony Kenyan birth certificates). They have been analyzed by academia, professional legal commentators, experts on governance, and by people who have enough general education to tell the difference between shit and shinola. It’s a pretty comprehensive dismissal.

And yet you say those who consider birthers crackpots are outnumbered. You may not have noticed, but that’s simply not true.

More lies. Not one case has been dismissed due to lack of evidence, due to inconsistency, due to fraudulent representation. All have been dismissed for 1 reason only, lack of standing. And what does that mean? That mere United States citizens do not have the right to question 0bama’s eligibility. Come on! Be honest for once in your life!

huntingtonboy said:
Every time is seriously think of voting Republican in the next election and changing my point of view with respect to where we should be heading as a country and the fact that I can spend my money better than Washington….

Might I suggest that you (and our country) would be better served if you voted for candidates based on substantive issues.

exposeobama said:
Any updates on the Globe Magazine story which questioned Obama/Soetoro/Soebarkah to the Gay Choir Boy murder in Chicago? Have detectives in Chicago made any headway in there investigation?

Another strange incident, still unsolved, is the murder of Lt. Quarles Harris in Wash, D.C. (That is his correct name)

Harris, one of several apprehended in the US State Dept breach of McCain, Hillary, Obama passport records, illegally accessed before the election, (Where Obama passport records completely disappeared) purportedly told police detectives he and his accomplices broke into the computers to steal the data to use in frauduently obtaining American Express credit cards.

Why didn’t they look for Donald Trump’s record’s too. He’s not too well known either!

It’s perfectly okay with the black community that 0bama had Quarles, a man 0bama hired to alter his passport records, murdered after he got caught.

mediadoubt said:
Yes! As a Magic Negro, Obama has been able to steatl the souls of the Hawaiian registrars and now keeps them in a little jar in the bottom drawer of his desk. He also has Hilary Clinton’s fingernail clippings in there, which is how he keeps her in line.

Why spend so much of your valuable time ” refuting ” what you consider nonsense ?

Why are you using a serial killer’s picture as your avatar ?

Why don’t you explain Obama using another’s SS # ?

Why don’t you find Tony Rezco ( Obama’s mentor and political fixer , convicted years ago , still not sentenced ) ?

notsofast said:
The fact is that on the original Hawaiian BCs in 1961 under where someone was born it asks” State, Island or Foreign Country.” That’s why Barry doesn’t want to release the original BC!

Yep, perhaps, I think you are on to something there, but will you acknowledge that Obama has satisfied the legal requirements, per statute, etc., to be, as a matter of law, the duly elected President? Hawaii has certified that he was born in Hawaii and issued the standard document proving that, the certificate of live birth. Hawaii keeps the private information on a birth certificate private. The real goal of all this Trumped up nonsense is to comb through Obama’s private matters, anything that might be found there. Unfortunately, Hawaii, nodding to the 10th Amendment, won’t play along, and protects its citizens even handedly. For Hawaii, it is a matter of 10th Amendment principle. No way they cave on this. Later, after Obama has taken over the world with his communist horde, Hawaii will be well rewarded.

Had it not been for that genius, Cornell Belcher, diversions Orly would have continued waterboarding Barry who had to have changed the channel he was watching, probably ESPN, to CNN, Communist News Network.

Did anyone catch the tiny form number on Barry’s registration card, purportedly mailed in to selective service from Hawaii in 1980?

What? The form number for the card indicated it was revised in 2007! That’s Racist!

The card was mailed into/processed in the Chicago, IL Selective Service Center processing branch when it should have gone into the one, servicing Hawaii, in the state of California! That’s Racist!

As in all controversy involving Obama, Jesse Jackson’s Gay attack, Sharpton’s mismanagement of political funds, Fraud by member of the Black Congressional Caucus and recipients of Pigford funds – they ultimately pull out he “race card” as their only defense for wrong doing. Obama has never been a U.S. citizen and has has has ample time to prove it but has not been able to falsify enough documents to put the issue to rest!

John King thinks his job is to carry the emperor’s invisible coat! Newflash: It ain’t invisible and it ain’t a coat!

The Lantern of Truth said:
Why don’t you explain Obama using another’s SS # ?

He has not stolen another person’s social security number
Birthers float a number of muddled and schizophrenic theories about Barack Obama’s social security number. By early 2011, birthers pursuing these theories had actually managed to uncover the President’s real social security number. Some of them published the number on various blogs and websites, often in violation of any number of federal or state privacy laws. Using the publication of his social security number as a stepping stone, some birthers went even further and used it to alter his selective service records maintained in a federal government database. This would not be the first time individuals have broken privacy laws to try and pry into the President’s private and personal records. Many presidents have faced this issue throughout history, although Barack Obama is one of the first to deal with the new challenges of maintaining security in the digital age.
http://wiki.obamafringe.com/index.php?title=Main_Page#He_has_not_stolen_another_person.27s_social_security_number

and i believe occum’s razor could be used to describe the conneticut accusation…

President Obama’s Social Security number (until it is changed because of its widespread publication) begins with the digits 042. While this is ordinarily an indication that the number was issued to someone living in Connecticut, the Social Security Administration says:
One should not make too much of the “geographical code.” It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.[1]
The first three digits of a Social Security number at that time were called the “Area Number”. And it is true that the Area Number 042 is normally issued for people who live in Connecticut (or apply for the Social Security card with a mailing address in Connecticut). President Obama lived in Hawaii in 1977, while attending Punahou School. He attended Punahou from the fifth grade until graduating in 1979, and his first job was at the Baskin Robbins at the corner of King and Punahou Streets in Honolulu.
So how did President Obama get a Social Security number with an Area Number reflecting residence (or mailing address) in Connecticut?
In light of the Social Security Administration’s disclaimer above, the most likely explanation is a clerical glitch. At the time, President Obama was only 15 years old, and lived with his grandparents in an address on Beretania Street in Honolulu. The President’s house in Hawaii was in zip code 96814. The zip code for Danbury, Connecticut is 06814. In 1977, clerical workers at the Social Security Administration were likely using typewriters, not computers, for their data entry tasks. Since the ’0′ and ’9′ on a typical typewriter are immediately adjacent, it would have been a common error to accidently type a ’0′ when the ZIP code really began with a ’9′. Another possibility is that President Obama, a left-handed 15 year old boy at the time, may have written his own ZIP code in a less-than-fully-legible manner, making the ’9′ look somewhat like an ’0′.
In any event, there is no evidence whatever that President Obama’s Social Securiy number was obtained by fraud, identity theft, or any form of deception. Ironically, it is in fact the President whose legally protected and confidential identity records have been tampered with.
and with the man born in 1890, that was just someone pulling that date out of their ass…
Some birthers, primarily Orly Taitz, allege that President Obama’s social security number is assigned to some person who was actually born in 1890. The source of this theory has been pinned down to the employment by Taitz of a then 68-year old private investigator in Ohio named Susan Daniels. At Taitz’s instruction, Daniels ran the President’s social security number through one or more online databases she was subscribed to or familiar with. In a print-out from one such database (“SSN Verifier Plus”), the number “1890″ appears on a line. The rest of the print-out corresponds with publicly-known information about Barack Obama, such as his birthdate, when his social security number was created and what geographical area it corresponds to (Connecticut, as explained above), and his name.[2] However, because the number “1890″ appears without explanation on the page, Taitz cited to that fact as proof that some unknown person was born in 1890 and Barack Obama had usurped his identity. In short, the factual basis for this theory is non-existent.
http://wiki.obamafringe.com/index.php?title=Social_Security_Number_Theft

copies that prove susan daniels pulled that out her ass are right here…
http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/

A couple of questions:
1. Why did the democratic party word his nomination papers different, one set for Hawaii and another set for the rest of the country??
2. Why was his first official act in office to “seal all of his records” from birth through after college, through Executive order?
3. Who goes to a prestigious school, gets a law degree and volentarily turns in their law license? (Except his wife?)
4. In that peskey old ammendment is their an “s” after the word parents when describing eligibity? Wouldn’t that mean both?
5. Why is he spending millions, with a law firm, to keep everything secret?

In Sept. 2006, while on an overseas trip to Kenya, as a State Senator Obama admitted childhood in Kenya, Obama’s next big international journey will be in 2007 –he’s looking at China, India and Indonesia, “where ironicall I actually have more of a childhood than I do in Kenya.” Reported in the Chicage Sun-Times.

Michelle Obama – Obama, a Kenyan, when we visited Barack’s ‘Home Country’ of Kenya, on video multiple times.

Newspaper articles when Barack Obama was running for the State Senate, while a State Senator, and during the campaign for the Presidency stated ‘Kenyan-Born’;

NPR Radio – Kenyan Born

Nigerian-Observer – Kenyan Born

All Africa – Kenyan Born

My Auburn California – Kenyan Born

East African Standard – Kenyan Born

Ghana News – Kenyan Born

Modern Ghana – – Continent of his birth

Newspage Weekly – Kenyan Born

BBC News – who last visited his Kenyan home in 1992

Sunday Standard – Kenyan Born

Tanzania – US Senator born here, He’s born here, who live in the US.

The Kenyan Government Official James Orengo: “If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America?

Neil Ambercrombie, current Governor of Hawaii, used a search warrant and was not able to locate any records in Hawaii of the supposed Barack Abdallah Husein Obama’s birth; per Ambercrombie ‘there is no proof that Obama was born in Hawaii’

Former Elections official Tim Adams, “there is no long form Birth Certificate on file in Hawaii for Barack Obama”

If there is no Birth Certificate in file in Hawaii, that means that the Obama COLB is meaningless and based on nothing.

as i am not a lawyer and i find this stuff incredibly boring, i will post this to those who want to question the court decisions.

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/BIRTHER%2520CASE%2520LIST.pdf

brunofinn said:
5. Why is he spending millions, with a law firm, to keep everything secret?

i’ll answer this one. it was to clear up all allegations made against him while running for president. you know, the kind of thing sarah palin quit for. she was afraid of what might have turned up while obama new he was right about everything.

Tommy Christopher said:
It also seems as though John King thinks he is going to be the one to spring that one special logic trap that’s going to make Taitz & Co. spring up from their pews, cleansed of the demons, the Holy Spirit of sanity in their feet.

Still “NOT” mocking Christians, I see, Tommy.

NOBAMA 2012 said:
NOBAMA 2012 says:

ya know, it’s just courtesy to post a link when you have a steaming pile of shit like that. people post real information here and not hate filled puke like that.

i don’t understand why my comment at 11:00am is awaiting moderation. i noted all links to where i got my references and i don’t believe i used any questionable language. maybe at one point i used caring and republican in the same sentence but other than that i seems fine.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i’ll answer this one. it was to clear up all allegations made against him while running for president. you know, the kind of thing sarah palin quit for. she was afraid of what might have turned up while obama new he was right about everything.

Are you saying that things are cleared up by hiding things?
What exactly has cleared up?

Is there anything else you guys and gals might want to discuss. Like bank rip offs and ceo’.s cheating their shareholders, lack of education, lack if justice, lack of fairness, ignorance that is never seen in any western society, poverty , incarcereration and welfare . Here are some thoughts for you. Someone should put the word out that the planet cannot have any more increase in population. This is better than talking about obamms birth certificate-. God help us !!!
Families that cannot feed or educate their families should stop having children voluntarily to help the planet survive. Can you get some intelligent influential person to start the ball rolling on this conversation.I hope some of you personally know whats its like to be uneducated and how hard it is to get a head.

Have you noticed the “teas” have NEVER been able to support any of these crazy wacko theories, but they keep on trying!

daliyablumenthal:

Do you mean “lack of education” in regards to the constitution, “lack of justice” in regards to ignoring the constitution, “lack of fairness” in ignoring the constitution, “ignorance” of the constituion?

If you were scoring that debate moderated by John King above…
Who won that debate based on points?
hint: calling your debate opponent crazy and racist does not score points…

dougx said:
According to the polls I’ve seen, some 50,000,000 to 70,000,000 Americans are wondering where Obama was born.

Got any stats for this claim?

The reason that ChiliPeppersFan will be hunted down, indicted and get many years in jail was explained in an earlier post. Misprision of Treason.
These America haters are about the dumbest people I have ever seen. They can’t even get their lies straight.
Above, he presents this fantasy Disney World story about how the con-man, Obama/Soetoro/Soebarkah, got his SS number. He copied and pasted this garbage from commie website run by the notorious Fogbow and other haters.
Folks, these people should be deported after their sentences.
What does a Danbury CT address have to do with anything, ChiliPeppersFan?
See, they are peddling this screed whereby the Hawaii address they reference zip code, according to the con-man’s own handwriting on the phony selective service application is 96826 not 96814. Haha.
Google debbieschlusseldot to see a good copy of the actual fraudulent selective service card he sent in. (Put in the usual to complete the address)
Another whopper that is going around is the con-man’s father lived in CT and got the number for his son. Actual Congressmen and Senators are telling their constituents this nonsense.
These people are pathetic. The only thing they know how to do is cash benefit checks and s–k off the government

don’t ANYONE tell John King that a half black Democrat President has a fraudulent social security number or that there are no hospital records documenting Barry Sotero/Obama was born in HI.

Orly did a decent job presenting the facts; finally Obama’s social security fraud is out on the mainstream media.

All the liberals can do is make it about “race”. Moral bankruptcy on the Left.

Press on Orly !

ellie said:
Got any stats for this claim?

Looks like its confimed by the CNN poll King shows in the video.
25% probably or definately don’t think Obama was born in the US.
That actually calculates out to more than 77,000,000. Figure it out.

Call me a crazy racist but… the evidence is starting to pile up:
http://perceptionasreality.blogspot.com/2011/04/birthers-guide-to-questions-and-talking.html

Jeff Webber said:
Looks like its confimed by the CNN poll King shows in the video.
25% probably or definately don’t think Obama was born in the US.
That actually calculates out to more than 77,000,000. Figure it out.

If it’s not posted at MediaMatters or Thinkprogress, then it ain’t true! The heck with thinking for yourself, lol.

The wording of the constitution does not indicate that is is necessary to prove a negative by showing Obama wasnt born in the US. What it does indicate is that a president has to be be a natural born citizen and this fact places the burden of proof squarely on Obama’s shoulders. To say “prove he wasn’t born here” is an idiotic statement.

To say the question has racial motivation is ludicrous. McCain’s citizen status was asked about and proven. Obama’s citizen status was asked about and wasn’t. Regardless, this and any other motivations behind the questions do not diminish their validity.

People argue that Hawiian officials said that they have personally seen the documentation of Obama’s birthplace. These statements would not be taken on face value in a court of law without showing the actual legal documents their statements were based on. Since this apparently will never be allowed to happen, we should not take these statements on face value either. (Government officials would never lie, would they? Right!)

It has not been proven by legal document that Obama was born in Hawaii. Look up the definition of “legal document” according to federal law.The short form Certificate of Live Birth shown on the internet is insufficient as it does not contain the signature of witnesses or officials attesting to its authenticity at the time of its drafting. It does include, on the back side, a stamp of the registrars signature, but all this attests to is that the document was printed out of the state’s existing database. This in itself is not proof as the data in this database is of dubious origin and has multiple possible sources. The data could have originated from a hospital generated long form birth certificate or from an application for a certificate of live birth done by a relative of a foreign born child. This database only attests to the existence of other legal documents on which its data is based. This is according to Hawaii state law at that time and is indisputable. Show us one of the two possible legal documents that the info in this database was derived from.

The real and absolute, indisputable proof is a certified copy of a long form birth certificate that includes the name of the hospital, name of the doctor and signatures of the the doctor and other witnesses attesting to its authenticity. This has not been shown.

If Obama is willing to show a short form COLB, why not the aforementioned legally documented version. It has repeatedly been shown to be obtainable by application with a $10 fee. It makes absolutly no sense to spend any amount of money in excess of that fee preventing access to it to stand on a principle. Is this an indication of Obama’s ecomonic brilliance or is he hiding something? (Oh wait, sorry, I just remembered his specialty is constitutional law, not economics)

At this point the only conclusion that I can draw is that he is hiding something and everyone should be curious as to what it is!

NOBAMA 2012 said:
President Barack Obama’s First Ad of 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIA5aszzA18

April 15, 2011

The Mendacity of Barack Obama
By Steve McCann
American Thinker

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_McCann

So yeah, I think I’ll pass on that opinion.

It’s always fun watching Obama play the right wing media, and all the rest of these idiot right wingers like Taitz, for the fools that they are. Obama was born in Hawaii, and last I remember, it was an American state at the time of his birth. Watching right wingers make shit up at the drop of a hat can only exemplify their either racist hatred or partisan lunacy that was born by the election of Obama. How supremely sad that Donald Trump is now the front runner in all the right wing polls. Says a lot about the intellectualism of the right these days. I’m sure there are plenty of conservative/right wing politicians who are smart enough to know that this is all BS, but heaven forbid they would rock their Tea Bagging voting boat by denouncing this unbelievable stupid shit coming from the far right against Obama.

Dookiestix said:
idiot right wingers

Dookiestix said:
fools that they are

Dookiestix said:
right wingers make shit

Dookiestix said:
racist hatred or partisan lunacy

Dookiestix said:
rock their Tea Bagging

Dookiestix said:
stupid shit

Debate points scored: 0

I believe Orly Taitz has done a lot of work on this has been abused , mocked, marginalized, demonized. She is NOT alone on this issue that has been going on during Obama’s campaign. It is unfortunate that Orly is difficult to listen to. Her speech and lack of English proficiency is painful to listen to; However if I hear one more accusation that these allegations are racially motivated then stupidity has taken over any critical thinking. For Pete’s sake, wouldn’t it be simpler just to show the damn thing rather than let military personnel be incarcerated on behalf of Obama’s refusal to disclose his records. I lay the blame for this at DNC’s feet. Howard Dean failed to vet his candidate….or everybody is aware of it in Washington and Republicans too will help keep this covered up?????????

Dookiestix said:
It’s always fun watching Obama play the right wing media, and all the rest of these idiot right wingers like Taitz, for the fools that they are. Obama was born in Hawaii, and last I remember, it was an American state at the time of his birth. Watching right wingers make shit up at the drop of a hat can only exemplify their either racist hatred or partisan lunacy that was born by the election of Obama. How supremely sad that Donald Trump is now the front runner in all the right wing polls. Says a lot about the intellectualism of the right these days. I’m sure there are plenty of conservative/right wing politicians who are smart enough to know that this is all BS, but heaven forbid they would rock their Tea Bagging voting boat by denouncing this unbelievable stupid shit coming from the far right against Obama.

WOW! Could you possibly squeeze any more ad hominem attacks in to that diatribe with out any actual “intelectual basis?

BlackSunshine84 said:
What plot? The DNC made a mistake, never asked 0bama if he was eligible and by the time they realized he wasn’t it was too late to go out and find another candidate, so they decided instead to cover up their mistake.

This is the kind of craziness that happens when people project actions and motive onto others without a grain of fact. In a world of supposition anything is possible.

ellie said:
Got any stats for this claim?

Here is the latest CNN Poll on the subject…%/pop, not an whole number value.

Question: Do you think Barack Obama was; Definitely born in the USA, Probably born in the USA, Probably born in another country, or Definitely born in another country.

All Dems Ind Rep

Definitely born in the USA 42% 67% 37% 23%
Probably born in the USA 29% 21% 31% 34%
Probably born in another country 16% 7% 17% 27%
Definitely born in another country 2% 1% 2% 3%

There is the data, and a link to the page here http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/04/cnn-poll-quarter-doubt-president-was-born-in-u-s/

No matter how you slice it, a solid percentage, 47% of Americans of All parties are either unsure or do not believe Obama was borne here. I am one of the Dems that he needs to convince…his obfuscation and avoidance of the issue so far has not helped his case.

This issue is Not going away until all the cards are on the table. Though many want to pull the race card, or yell ‘hater’ for most of us I suspect that is not the case at all. There is a fundamental principal here that simply cannot be over looked…For most Americans, Truth Matters. It is what it is.

posterchild said:
Why is Dan Abrams site attracting so many birthers and baggers?

Because they want another Fox Nation?

BlackSunshine84 said:
It’s perfectly okay with the black community that 0bama had Quarles, a man 0bama hired to alter his passport records, murdered after he got caught.

Every time a Dem gets into office the fright-wing baggers have to have him murder someone. They just can’t stand not being in power.

Shuleba said:
I believe Orly Taitz has done a lot of work on this has been abused , mocked, marginalized, demonized. She is NOT alone on this issue that has been going on during Obama’s campaign. It is unfortunate that Orly is difficult to listen to. Her speech and lack of English proficiency is painful to listen to; However if I hear one more accusation that these allegations are racially motivated then stupidity has taken over any critical thinking. For Pete’s sake, wouldn’t it be simpler just to show the damn thing rather than let military personnel be incarcerated on behalf of Obama’s refusal to disclose his records. I lay the blame for this at DNC’s feet. Howard Dean failed to vet his candidate….or everybody is aware of it in Washington and Republicans too will help keep this covered up?????????

I whole heartedly agree. Her bravery in continuing to make a stand for hers and others beliefs is worthy of admiration. It is also unfortunate that certain people key on aspects of her speech and english proficiency with out actually listening to what is being said. I consider this to be a form of bigotry.

All americans should stand up for the rights of someone like Orly Tait to pursue justice for what she believes in, especially in the way she is trying to accomplish this. Peacfully and through the correct channels of our government. It is supposedly what our government is based upon.

Cornell Belcher is a jerkass. Stop playing the “If you don’t love Obama, you hate black people!” card.

ya know, we got the marathon coming up in boston on monday. if obama decides to run as a kenyan i just hope someone remembers to wake him up. hate to think what would happen if he comes out here and stays in a hotel.

I laugh at Donald Trump when he points out that the article of Obama’s birth in the paper didn’t appear for 9 entire days. Whoopee. So, I checked out the births printed in our local paper today to see what I would find. Sure enough. Parents announcing the birth of their kid on March 9. wow. Over a month since the birth. Guess it will be considered a conspiracy in another 40 years if that kid decides to become president.

Obama can’t get away from all of these facts nor can he just continue to murder people that know things.

I am very thankful for Trump bringing all of this back into the media spotlight.

Well thanks to Donald Trump, and just as when they say ” the cat is out of the bag “, when it comes to Barack Obama the proverbial ” skunk is out of the White House ” and he is stinking the place up big time wherever he goes.

Now that, apparently for the first time that I’ve seen anyway, Orly Taitz exposed on CNN for all of us ” real ” Americans, liberals and the entire world to see the dark ( no pun intended ), seedy side of the man ( imposter ) behind the ( radical, anti – American manifesto ) curtain ( security of the White House gate ).

This is not settled business as the morally bankrupt, un – American left wing zealots in the MSM and beyond would have us ” real ” Americans believe…….not by the furthest stretch of even Bill Maher’s twisted yet juvenille imagination.

Candidate Obama must face the ” real ” American people and the music and answer for himself. None of his goons and rabid serogates with their racist, bigotted accusations of racism and bigotry hurled at ordinary American citizens simply for seeking the truth.

An honest ” real ” American man or woman that has nothing to hide would not hide, at a cost in upwards of $2 million, their past life. Barack Obama has done just this and I for one wanted to know, deserved to know, NOW DEMAND to know why………..simple as that.

Jeff Webber said:
All americans should stand up for the rights of someone like Orly Tait to pursue justice for what she believes in, especially in the way she is trying to accomplish this. Peacfully and through the correct channels of our government. It is supposedly what our government is based upon.

i’m all for her to continue talking about this and for her to continue her quest for justice as i am all for the justice system to realize what a croc it is and to continue to pay misconduct fees of thousands of dollars and for her to be continually humiliated by the judge telling her “The Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”
all of you clowns who believe the crap she’s trying to sell are just a bunch of rocinantes.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i’m all for her to continue talking about this and for her to continue her quest for justice as i am all for the justice system to realize what a croc it is and to continue to pay misconduct fees of thousands of dollars and for her to be continually humiliated by the judge telling her “The Court is not willing to go tilting at windmills with her.”
all of you clowns who believe the crap she’s trying to sell are just a bunch of rocinantes.

I don’t think it’s even that they all agree with her, they just think that she has the right to keep doing this, agree with her or not. You should be happy. The more she does it, the better it is for Barry O.

GoneFishing said:
Here is the latest CNN Poll on the subject…%/pop, not an whole number value.

Question: Do you think Barack Obama was; Definitely born in the USA, Probably born in the USA, Probably born in another country, or Definitely born in another country.

All Dems Ind Rep

Definitely born in the USA 42% 67% 37% 23%
Probably born in the USA 29% 21% 31% 34%
Probably born in another country 16% 7% 17% 27%
Definitely born in another country 2% 1% 2% 3%

There is the data, and a link to the page here http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/04/cnn-poll-quarter-doubt-president-was-born-in-u-s/

No matter how you slice it, a solid percentage, 47% of Americans of All parties are either unsure or do not believe Obama was borne here. I am one of the Dems that he needs to convince…his obfuscation and avoidance of the issue so far has not helped his case.

This issue is Not going away until all the cards are on the table. Though many want to pull the race card, or yell ‘hater’ for most of us I suspect that is not the case at all. There is a fundamental principal here that simply cannot be over looked…For most Americans, Truth Matters. It is what it is.

the cards have been on the table, chairs, couches and all over the house. i don’t believe your a racist or hater, just uninformed…please read all the comments from this thread and this one
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/how-to-interview-donald-trump-the-birther-debunkers-guide-to-the-universe/

ChiliPeppersFan said:
the cards have been on the table, chairs, couches and all over the house. i don’t believe your a racist or hater, just uninformed…please read all the comments from this thread and this one
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/how-to-interview-donald-trump-the-birther-debunkers-guide-to-the-universe/

See, now even a hater such as yourself is inching ever so slowly away from the dark side and into the liight.

exposeobama said:
Folks, these people should be deported after their sentences.
What does a Danbury CT address have to do with anything, ChiliPeppersFan?
See, they are peddling this screed whereby the Hawaii address they reference zip code, according to the con-man’s own handwriting on the phony selective service application is 96826 not 96814. Haha.
Google debbieschlusseldot to see a good copy of the actual fraudulent selective service card he sent in. (Put in the usual to complete the address)

so you want me deported for exercising my free speech? i realized you were a far right nut sac but not that far.

oh, and what’s the matter? are you saving the kkk websites for a later post so you send me to a muslim stomping freak for information on obama.
don’t worry exposed…only about five and half more years (unless what you think of obama is true and he is able to abolish the twenty-second amendment).

IF Obama’s real SSN is 042-68-4425 the area numbers (the first 3 digits) do not correspond to Hawaii…
Connecticut ranges from 040-049 / Hawaii ranges from 575-576…
Using a fake SSN is a federal offense…

ChiliPeppersFan said:
the cards have been on the table, chairs, couches and all over the house. i don’t believe your a racist or hater, just uninformed…please read all the comments from this thread and this one
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/how-to-interview-donald-trump-the-birther-debunkers-guide-to-the-universe/

No, the problem is I Am informed. You see, By education, training and inclination My bias is toward verifiable, testable data; not desire or personal belief. Analysis and testing is what I do, and I learned long ago that if you want an accurate result, you need original data and the footnotes. It’s not personal, its data, and objective truth has no friends. That Original data is available yet Obama has so little respect or regard for the citizens of our nation, he chooses to dance instead of stand tall.

This is a test of character, and it is not graded on a curve…it is Pass/Fail. So far, Obama is failing.

heroinaddictfan, you must be exhausted trying to defend the indefensible….3 days straight…wow.

Birfing is such a funny, discreditable activity, and the fringe nuts who engage in it are hilarious clowns. JMO, of course.

OK, to the woman in the video who would not shut up….

If it is as you say that the grandmother contacted the government and said that he was born in the state and that was good enough for the state to issue a birth certificate then you issue should be with the fucking laws of the state. When you say the grandmother lied (which I don’t believe you because you may look older than dirt, you were not actually there nor are you a psychic (but I am leaning toward psycho). Maybe, just maybe, the father was an absentee father and the mother went back to her parents to have this child. Have you ever thought about that? And while you are spouting off your crackpot theories. Maybe you should understand that you are not from this country either. You came from Soviet Russia and you dare challenge a child of our nation!?!? Not only that but speak ill of a woman who lived her entire life here by calling her a liar!?!? If you have not found the door yet, let me show it to you. and take your collection of wigs with you!

On the video, King lies, misleads, and smears:

http://24ahead.com/n/10642

Let’s try a simple test: is the building he calls the one from the announcements what he says it is, or something else?

Orly Taitz has an accent that sure doesn’t sound like an American accent to me. Maybe someone should check out her true eligibility to even speak to the issues or vote legally.

i’m just curious as to how many of you could call up Selective Service and have them give you a “legitimate” copy of someone’s registration which includes the social security number>? None? of course you can’t. This woman is nuts.

Gorgegirl said:
social security number

Obama’s SSN is public record… is it not?

mediadoubt said:
Yes! As a Magic Negro, Obama has been able to steatl the souls of the Hawaiian registrars and now keeps them in a little jar in the bottom drawer of his desk. He also has Hilary Clinton’s fingernail clippings in there, which is how he keeps her in line.

But son, he STILL WILL NOT RELEASE IT!

Is that a fact or not?

Yes it is, son!

LOL

Orly was allowed to hold up documents unproven and supported with facts and declare political correctness a no no and John King wants to play the devil advocate and declare the president unpatriotic because the president stated we are people from all over the world (paraphase)…CNN and King need a bit*h slap but I would accept a national apology for wasting the time of CNN viewers with sick rhetoric

Right now CNN and John King look like bigots that cannot believe the hate they held for centuries against blacks can no longer be proved as absolute

Enough with this foolishness we have a nation to run and people to put back to work…this support of hate is OVER and it is time to be LOUD…ENOUGH!

and not supported with facts

Barack Must Go said:
A bit convoluted and long winded, but consider your apology accepted.

I see you’ve developed a working knowledge of one of comedy’s basic tools: the non sequitur. Now let’s move on to seltzer bottles and the classic “down your pants” gag.

Is CNN that desperate for ratings? Fighting that good fight with Fox News has brought John King/CNN to an all-time new low. I guess it’s the same old scenario- If you cannot beat them join them. To give air time to this craze benchi,Orly Taitz was stupid and even worse she whipped the floor with John King and Cornell Belcher. Who really had nothing to say- which he did the Democratic Party/Mr. Obama extremely poor service? Isn’t John King supposed to be part of this group called the best political minds/analyst on TV/CNN- as Wolf Blitzer likes to say? To my opining John King was laid to waste in this interview by Orly Taitz.
I am disappointed in CNN/John King and as well Donald Trump. To be tied at the hip to these crazies/birthers. Trump you know the old verbiage- If you sleep with dogs you get flees. So the next question to Trump should be: Prove to me on paper your’ not an undercover racist since it has been stated the birthers are. Trump you stated to the media you cheated Gaddafi out of his money. To some degree I could see why you want to advertise this. But what you fail to see thru your own words and action you are clearly very experienced in this task. I wander; do you cheat mostly blacks and Hispanics? This marriage to the birthers may hold the answer to this question

BlackSunshine84 said:
More lies. Not one case has been dismissed due to lack of evidence, due to inconsistency, due to fraudulent representation. All have been dismissed for 1 reason only, lack of standing. And what does that mean? That mere United States citizens do not have the right to question 0bama’s eligibility. Come on! Be honest for once in your life!

I love the fact that you don’t even read a post before spitting into your keyboard.

Don’t ever change. The birther movement (and I do mean that in a physiological sense) just keeps increasing the margin of victory Obama will enjoy next year.

BlackSunshine84 said:
It’s perfectly okay with the black community that 0bama had Quarles, a man 0bama hired to alter his passport records, murdered after he got caught.

I think you’ve spelled the victim’s name wrong. It’s V-i-n-c-e-n-t F-o-s-t-e-r. Look it up, it’ll save you time & effort manufacturing more turd-froth.

Someone burn that crazy wig!!!
Why do they invite this crazy lady ?

The Lantern of Truth said:
Why spend so much of your valuable time ” refuting ” what you consider nonsense ?

Why are you using a serial killer’s picture as your avatar ?

Why don’t you explain Obama using another’s SS # ?

Why don’t you find Tony Rezco ( Obama’s mentor and political fixer , convicted years ago , still not sentenced ) ?

Finally! Straightforward questions that anyone could answer.

Why am I spending so much time on this? Because kicking over anthills, rattling cages, and making fun of the deranged are among my guilty pleasures. I’m having a ball and the response is everything I could have ever hoped for.

Why am I using a serial killer’s picture? You flatter me. That picture’s of me (slightly modified so the NSA can’t track me down using that facial-recognition program of theirs that scans every image on the Internet to a database for evaluation and sanction when they judge it necessary).

Why don’t I explain Obama’s SSN? Because there’s no there there. The Taitz-SSN fraud sits right next to the Taitz-Kenyan birth certificate fraud in my files because they both start with Taitz.

Why don’t I find Tony Rezko (note spelling)? Because I’m not looking. A small-time grifter now (as best I know) in the appeal loop of his various trials. Ho-hum.

NOBAMA 2012 said:
he may well be the most dishonest and disingenuous occupant of the Oval Office in history

Then again, he may not. There’s lots of competition for that top spot.

The long article from which this statement is excerpted is different in one way from most of the anti-Obama posts in this thread, but just the same in most others. It is distinguished by the fact that it’s written in complete sentences, with consistent spelling, and no misuse of the CapsLock key. In all other respects it’s no different than any other wild-eyed rant you find here in that it is fact-free, hyperbolic, and reflects a writer who mistakes passion for proof.

Nothing to see here, folks.

The truth is that Libs aren’t at all offended by this. They play the ‘offended’ card all the time. You can’t hold pitchforks one moment and feign being ‘offended’ the next.

OxyCon said:
Still “NOT” mocking Christians, I see, Tommy.

It’s kind of OK to mock exorcism. Trust me on this one.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
as i am not a lawyer and i find this stuff incredibly boring, i will post this to those who want to question the court decisions.

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/BIRTHER%2520CASE%2520LIST.pdf

Excellent. I’m saving your link.

Taitz wasn’t get any traction with the birther issue, so she moved to the next conspiracy, the social security number.

exposeobama said:
The reason that ChiliPeppersFan will be hunted down, indicted and get many years in jail was explained in an earlier post. Misprision of Treason.

True colors.

Anyone who disagrees with you is to be hunted down? Sick. And totally typical of birthers’ posts.

To use a well-worn phrase stolen by one of your fellow trogs, “Real Americans” won’t put up with your fascistic crap.

On the other hand, do please keep spewing this vile nonsense because the primary effect is to convice people that the rightwing has lost its mind.

Jaurez says:
Obama can’t get away from all of these facts nor can he just continue to murder people that know things.
………………………………………..
Keep saying this kind of crap! This is how you get noticed, but I don’t think your smart enough to know this! Please keep it up, please!

Jeff Webber said:
The wording of the constitution does not indicate that is is necessary to prove a negative by showing Obama wasnt born in the US. What it does indicate is that a president has to be be a natural born citizen and this fact places the burden of proof squarely on Obama’s shoulders. To say “prove he wasn’t born here” is an idiotic statement.

To say the question has racial motivation is ludicrous. McCain’s citizen status was asked about and proven. Obama’s citizen status was asked about and wasn’t. Regardless, this and any other motivations behind the questions do not diminish their validity.

People argue that Hawiian officials said that they have personally seen the documentation of Obama’s birthplace. These statements would not be taken on face value in a court of law without showing the actual legal documents their statements were based on. Since this apparently will never be allowed to happen, we should not take these statements on face value either. (Government officials would never lie, would they? Right!)

It has not been proven by legal document that Obama was born in Hawaii. Look up the definition of “legal document” according to federal law.The short form Certificate of Live Birth shown on the internet is insufficient as it does not contain the signature of witnesses or officials attesting to its authenticity at the time of its drafting. It does include, on the back side, a stamp of the registrars signature, but all this attests to is that the document was printed out of the state’s existing database. This in itself is not proof as the data in this database is of dubious origin and has multiple possible sources. The data could have originated from a hospital generated long form birth certificate or from an application for a certificate of live birth done by a relative of a foreign born child. This database only attests to the existence of other legal documents on which its data is based. This is according to Hawaii state law at that time and is indisputable. Show us one of the two possible legal documents that the info in this database was derived from.

The real and absolute, indisputable proof is a certified copy of a long form birth certificate that includes the name of the hospital, name of the doctor and signatures of the the doctor and other witnesses attesting to its authenticity. This has not been shown.

If Obama is willing to show a short form COLB, why not the aforementioned legally documented version. It has repeatedly been shown to be obtainable by application with a $10 fee. It makes absolutly no sense to spend any amount of money in excess of that fee preventing access to it to stand on a principle. Is this an indication of Obama’s ecomonic brilliance or is he hiding something? (Oh wait, sorry, I just remembered his specialty is constitutional law, not economics)

At this point the only conclusion that I can draw is that he is hiding something and everyone should be curious as to what it is!

The Constitution is silent, as one would expect, on the workings of state electronic records created hundreds of years after the Constitution itself (~150 years if you want to bring up the 14th Amendment). So no, there is no Constitutional test whether Hawaii’s registration practices are adequate. The Federal government accepts Hawaiian certifications as meeting citizenship tests (the fact that some Federal employers have more extensive vetting processes is irrelevant).

He has passed the natural citizenship test. Negotiating with terrorists is generally considered a bad policy. Your inability to draw any other conclusions from Obama’s actions is really not his problem — it’s yours.

http://www.kidult.com/blogs/a-day-in-the-life-of-a-senior/my-take-on-donald-trump-and-a-bunch-of-illegal-immigrants
This woman is CRAZY!!!
Why this argument needs to stop!
http://www.kidult.com/blogs/a-day-in-the-life-of-a-senior/my-take-on-donald-trump-and-a-bunch-of-illegal-immigrants

skoorbekim said:
bama’s SSN is public record… is it not?

No it is not. Is yours?

The neocon trolls on this thread have learned a lesson from all those hours spent with their ears and eyes glued to Fakes “News,” Rush Dimbulb, Glenn Blech-h-h and the rest of the right-wing media: when you’re lying or wrong and losing the argument, CHANGE the argument.

The article is about screwball opportunist Oily Taint’s appearance on CNN. Even though she lacks even an iota of evidence, the uber-right wingers fall all over themselves stumbling in here to proclaim her victorious.

When inconvenient facts are introduced – i.e., the utter lack of proof – the wing-dingbats try to change the subject. We hear about Obama’s “fake” SSN – again, despite the complete absence of proof. We hear distorted and outright false claims about the 14th amendment from a “retired intelligence officer” who may be “retired” and an “officer” but certainly ain’t “intelligent.”

We hear about elaborate efforts to somehow retroactively plant birth notices. We hear about Obama’s past associations – which have no bearing whatsoever on the matter at hand.

Increasingly desperate – and foolish-looking – neoclowns trot out increasingly ridiculous claims in equally ridiculous attempts to save face . . . or at least muddy the water even further.

Such acts are not just dishonest; they are un-American – far more un-American than Obama has ever been.

Just asking….why do you Libs keep harping on this??? WHY do you libs keep this string alive? Why do you LIBS just not step away and move on????????????? The ONLY reason conservatives play this card/issue is because it makes libs squirm. Every time libs reply or squirm on this issue… Republicans smile. So why oh why do you keep replying/responding????????

Never mind………. whatever the reason…. keep it up. You give me a jolly good laugh.

jrcmi said:
The neocon trolls on this thread have learned a lesson from all those hours spent with their ears and eyes glued to Fakes “News,” Rush Dimbulb, Glenn Blech-h-h and the rest of the right-wing media: when you’re lying or wrong and losing the argument, CHANGE the argument.

The article is about screwball opportunist Oily Taint’s appearance on CNN. Even though she lacks even an iota of evidence, the uber-right wingers fall all over themselves stumbling in here to proclaim her victorious.

When inconvenient facts are introduced – i.e., the utter lack of proof – the wing-dingbats try to change the subject. We hear about Obama’s “fake” SSN – again, despite the complete absence of proof. We hear distorted and outright false claims about the 14th amendment from a “retired intelligence officer” who may be “retired” and an “officer” but certainly ain’t “intelligent.”

We hear about elaborate efforts to somehow retroactively plant birth notices. We hear about Obama’s past associations – which have no bearing whatsoever on the matter at hand.

Increasingly desperate – and foolish-looking – neoclowns trot out increasingly ridiculous claims in equally ridiculous attempts to save face . . . or at least muddy the water even further.

Such acts are not just dishonest; they are un-American – far more un-American than Obama has ever been.

Nice…. I am a “neo-con troll” andI have neither Fox TV or radio to keep me informed. I live in the middle of Montana-nowhere…and still reject your political philosophy……… explain that! (idiot)

ellie said:
No it is not. Is yours?

Ahhhh….. ellie is here, too! (he/she is an idiot… pay no attention to her/him!… a few minutes ago she/he was trying to argue against me on another link……… and he/she failed. Simpe comments…. less than simpleton edification. ellie……. = lol.

Conservatives don’t linger on this issue. Conservatives wouldn’t touch it, or give it a second of their time. Only bored, angry Foxsuckers (half of whom probably can’t even locate their own birth certificates) bother with this–and now ratings-desperate CNN, who apparently are more poll/ratings driven than Fox if they feel it necessary to give Orly Taitz even one second of air time.

The whole birther stunt, along with the sitcom Republican “candidacies” of Trump, Bachmann, Huckabee, etc., are like a planned circus. First, they trot out the clowns to take the spotlight and make us all laugh, while behind the scenes, the serious acts are being readied. Rove, the Kochs, and their pals are searching for a serious candidate to run against Obama–one who will do their bidding (that will not be up for negotiation), but can speak coherently and quote facts once in a while. Their search will necessarily be long, and not necessarily crowned with success.

DFW said:
Conservatives don’t linger on this issue. Conservatives wouldn’t touch it, or give it a second of their time. Only bored, angry Foxsuckers (half of whom probably can’t even locate their own birth certificates) bother with this–and now ratings-desperate CNN, who apparently are more poll/ratings driven than Fox if they feel it necessary to give Orly Taitz even one second of air time.

The whole birther stunt, along with the sitcom Republican “candidacies” of Trump, Bachmann, Huckabee, etc., are like a planned circus. First, they trot out the clowns to take the spotlight and make us all laugh, while behind the scenes, the serious acts are being readied. Rove, the Kochs, and their pals are searching for a serious candidate to run against Obama–one who will do their bidding (that will not be up for negotiation), but can speak coherently and quote facts once in a while. Their search will necessarily be long, and not necessarily crowned with success.

Just asking….why do you Libs keep harping on this??? WHY do you libs keep this string alive? Why do you LIBS just not step away and move on????????????? The ONLY reason conservatives play this card/issue is because it makes libs squirm. Every time libs reply or squirm on this issue… Republicans smile. So why oh why do you keep replying/responding????????

Never mind………. whatever the reason…. keep it up. You give me a jolly good laugh.

mediadoubt said:
The Constitution is silent, as one would expect, on the workings of state electronic records created hundreds of years after the Constitution itself (~150 years if you want to bring up the 14th Amendment). So no, there is no Constitutional test whether Hawaii’s registration practices are adequate. The Federal government accepts Hawaiian certifications as meeting citizenship tests (the fact that some Federal employers have more extensive vetting processes is irrelevant).

He has passed the natural citizenship test. Negotiating with terrorists is generally considered a bad policy. Your inability to draw any other conclusions from Obama’s actions is really not his problem — it’s yours.

The “condescending Prof speaks… shhhhhhh…. all be silent now… the professor speaks……” glasses down, patiarch-caly submissive post reflecting…….. hode on… a sec….. just a few secs…. HEY! wait a sec…. (trying to digest the tripe!)……. nope……
sorry……. glasses down, condescending attitude rejected…….. nope….

you are wrong.

DFW said:
Conservatives don’t linger on this issue. Conservatives wouldn’t touch it, or give it a second of their time. Only bored, angry Foxsuckers (half of whom probably can’t even locate their own birth certificates) bother with this–and now ratings-desperate CNN, who apparently are more poll/ratings driven than Fox if they feel it necessary to give Orly Taitz even one second of air time.

The whole birther stunt, along with the sitcom Republican “candidacies” of Trump, Bachmann, Huckabee, etc., are like a planned circus. First, they trot out the clowns to take the spotlight and make us all laugh, while behind the scenes, the serious acts are being readied. Rove, the Kochs, and their pals are searching for a serious candidate to run against Obama–one who will do their bidding (that will not be up for negotiation), but can speak coherently and quote facts once in a while. Their search will necessarily be long, and not necessarily crowned with success.

Again… I say:
Just asking….why do you Libs keep harping on this??? WHY do you libs keep this string alive? Why do you LIBS just not step away and move on????????????? The ONLY reason conservatives play this card/issue is because it makes libs squirm. Every time libs reply or squirm on this issue… Republicans smile. So why oh why do you keep replying/responding????????

Never mind………. whatever the reason…. keep it up. You give me a jolly good laugh.

IIWII said:
Again… I say:
Just asking….why do you Libs keep harping on this??? WHY do you libs keep this string alive? Why do you LIBS just not step away and move on????????????? The ONLY reason conservatives play this card/issue is because it makes libs squirm. Every time libs reply or squirm on this issue… Republicans smile. So why oh why do you keep replying/responding????????

Never mind………. whatever the reason…. keep it up. You give me a jolly good laugh.

Hey Stalin, go to bed.

RowdyHoward said:
Hey Stalin, go to bed.

WOW!!!! You actually knew the avatar!!!!! Well done! And also, you prolly saw the button on th collar…….. “jackass”……. from me to you………. “JACKASS!”
Move on idiot….. let it go… move on.org,…….
……………. typical jackass.

IIWII said:
WOW!!!! You actually knew the avatar!!!!! Well done! And also, you prolly saw the button on th collar……..

Since when did a dead genocidal maniac become a teenage girl hiding behind a computer.

Go to bed Sally, not Stalin.

Kekekkekekek…..well tried…. idiot. Not a girl…. just a representation of democratic/Liberal vision of the future….. kill all those who are not like me. Nice try…. again, and with emphisis………… idiot!!!!!!!!!!!! kekekekekekekekekekek

IIWII said:
Just asking….why do you Libs keep harping on this??? WHY do you libs keep this string alive? Why do you LIBS just not step away and move on????????????? The ONLY reason conservatives play this card/issue is because it makes libs squirm. Every time libs reply or squirm on this issue… Republicans smile. So why oh why do you keep replying/responding????????

Never mind………. whatever the reason…. keep it up. You give me a jolly good laugh.

It wasn’t the adult members of the electorate who went into spontaneous spewgasm when Trump dropped his trousers on national TV to show his “I’m a birther too” tatoo. It isn’t the center-left that gets palpitations whenever the crazy dentist trundles out a brand-new fake conspiracy and tries, once again, to make something out of nothing. And it’s not “Real Americans” who have posted the majority of messages in this particular thread, but instead birthernuts whose sole purpose is to publicly pick the scab of their resentment over the fact that sensible people consider them obsessive jerks.

And it isn’t independents and Democrats who are likely to lose from the birther madness itself, which only serves to prove the further right you move, the stupider you get.

IIWII said:
Ahhhh….. ellie is here, too! (he/she is an idiot… pay no attention to her/him!… a few minutes ago she/he was trying to argue against me on another link……… and he/she failed. Simpe comments…. less than simpleton edification. ellie……. = lol.

Jim, get a grip.

IIWII said:
Kekekkekekek…..Not a girl…. kekekekekekekekekekek

Well you sound like one who had too much Kool Aid. Do you dress up like this madman too or is it just an act for the web?

Have fun being crazy, Sally.

mediadoubt said:
It wasn’t the adult members of the electorate who went into spontaneous spewgasm when Trump dropped his trousers on national TV to show his “I’m a birther too” tatoo. It isn’t the center-left that gets palpitations whenever the crazy dentist trundles out a brand-new fake conspiracy and tries, once again, to make something out of nothing. And it’s not “Real Americans” who have posted the majority of messages in this particular thread, but instead birthernuts whose sole purpose is to publicly pick the scab of their resentment over the fact that sensible people consider them obsessive jerks.

And it isn’t independents and Democrats who are likely to lose from the birther madness itself, which only serves to prove the further right you move, the stupider you get.

What ever… you and your ilk keep replying to a “nothing” issue… just let it go…. give it up! Unless………. there is a grain of truth in the pile……… other than that… just walk away! Take the high ground! Unless…….. there is that bit of truth………………………….

ellie said:
Jim, get a grip.

I have a grip on my sff……. need an extra hand or two…. wanna help?????

IIWII said:
The “condescending Prof speaks… shhhhhhh…. all be silent now… the professor speaks……” glasses down, patiarch-caly submissive post reflecting…….. hode on… a sec….. just a few secs…. HEY! wait a sec…. (trying to digest the tripe!)……. nope……
sorry……. glasses down, condescending attitude rejected…….. nope….

you are wrong.

You spent a long time setting up that joke with no payoff. That’s cheating. Go to the end of the line.

RowdyHoward said:
Well you sound like one who had too much Kool Aid. Do you dress up like this madman too or is it just an act for the web?

Have fun being crazy, Sally.

Nope…. you have no base…. andI will no longer respond to you……….. shallow and self-serving posts……. nothing substantial to add….night, and good-bye……. idiot.

mediadoubt said:
You spent a long time setting up that joke with no payoff. That’s cheating. Go to the end of the line.

Kekekekekeke….. well played!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IIWII said:
Nope…. you have no base…. andI will no longer respond to you……….. shallow and self-serving posts……. nothing substantial to add….night, and good-bye……. idiot.

Bye Sally Stalin.

mediadoubt said:
You spent a long time setting up that joke with no payoff. That’s cheating. Go to the end of the line.

That was funny…… (said wiff no recrimination………)

IIWII said:
What ever… you and your ilk keep replying to a “nothing” issue… just let it go…. give it up! Unless………. there is a grain of truth in the pile……… other than that… just walk away! Take the high ground! Unless…….. there is that bit of truth………………………….

What! And give up my favorite weekend game, “take the piss out of the twits?” Not hardly.

mediadoubt said:
What! And give up my favorite weekend game, “take the piss out of the twits?” Not hardly.

AGAIN!!!!!!! Well played!!!!! kekekekekkekekeke….. I do so think we could laugh over a beer or 5.

mediadoubt said:
It wasn’t the adult members of the electorate who went into spontaneous spewgasm when Trump dropped his trousers on national TV to show his “I’m a birther too” tatoo. It isn’t the center-left that gets palpitations whenever the crazy dentist trundles out a brand-new fake conspiracy and tries, once again, to make something out of nothing. And it’s not “Real Americans” who have posted the majority of messages in this particular thread, but instead birthernuts whose sole purpose is to publicly pick the scab of their resentment over the fact that sensible people consider them obsessive jerks.

And it isn’t independents and Democrats who are likely to lose from the birther madness itself, which only serves to prove the further right you move, the stupider you get.

You keep telling yourself that over & over again hot shot. I’m running down to the local ‘ ACE ‘ hardware, they’re ad said BOGO on shellack this week.

IIWII said:
AGAIN!!!!!!! Well played!!!!! kekekekekkekekeke….. I do so think we could laugh over a beer or 5.

Perhaps you’re right. Listening to the better angels of my nature (mostly AWOL lately), I’d like to think so.

Barack Must Go said:
You keep telling yourself that over & over again hot shot. I’m running down to the local ‘ ACE ‘ hardware, they’re ad said BOGO on shellack this week.

You don’t want to store too much of that stuff in the garage. It’s likely to blow up in your face. Apparently it’s most volatile around early November.

mediadoubt said:
You don’t want to store too much of that stuff in the garage. It’s likely to blow up in your face. Apparently it’s most volatile around early November.

I only by water based products these days. You never know when a gang of domestic terrorist, left wing bomb throwers might break in and steal the stuff to be used in a bomb to protest the end of free cheese in this country.

Rough days are ahead for this country. Us ” real ” Americans will through our pre planning, family first attitude and trust God will whether the ensuing storm just fine.

You left wing, sucking on the government teet ( actually me and mine ) not so much. Riots in the streets, like we see throughtout the rest of the world today, will be coming to a town near you this Summer courtesy of the Obama regime.

We’ll be ready for you, some of us with open arms and a couple cans of corn, others with the end of a shot gun, so choose wisely…….the life you save might just be your own.

……and ” BOOM ” goes the left wing bomb thrower dynamite……again. This is really becoming a rather annoying habit with you guys.

Barack Must Go said:
I only by water based products these days. You never know when a gang of domestic terrorist, left wing bomb throwers might break in and steal the stuff to be used in a bomb to protest the end of free cheese in this country.

Rough days are ahead for this country. Us ” real ” Americans will through our pre planning, family first attitude and trust God will whether the ensuing storm just fine.

You left wing, sucking on the government teet ( actually me and mine ) not so much. Riots in the streets, like we see throughtout the rest of the world today, will be coming to a town near you this Summer courtesy of the Obama regime.

We’ll be ready for you, some of us with open arms and a couple cans of corn, others with the end of a shot gun, so choose wisely…….the life you save might just be your own.

……and ” BOOM ” goes the left wing bomb thrower dynamite……again. This is really becoming a rather annoying habit with you guys.

With your head buried up your ass there really is no place left for you to hide is there?

Barack Must Go said:

We’ll be ready for you, some of us with open arms and a couple cans of corn, others with the end of a shot gun, so choose wisely…….the life you save might just be your own.

I’m beginning to believe I’d prefer to leave the earthly realm than continue to be stuck here with a bunch of illiterate, inbred lost and voiceless maggots like you. You can have the earth and all its toys, then share hell with the rest of your selfish, cancerous breed as your afterlife.

I’m reposting what I said elsewhere. Passionate birthers are on to something, but practical politicians have a different row to hoe.
I wanna see the BC, but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect the position that says leave it alone. In light of vital policy issues, and the birth certificate issue an insulting distraction.

As right as it is to drop it. The difference is, I’m not charged with the responsibility of monitoring and reporting on the critical issues. I just want the truth. I think this communist, marxist guy should not have become President, I don’t want a Communist Marxist President and I’m curious about the birth certificate. You know the one that “likely doesn’t exist.” Yeah that one. If you don’t mind a communist Marxist for president, (probably because for you that is somehow mainstream values for America), not only are you not curious about the tightly held original document, but if it turned out not to exist, or to Constitutionally disqualify Obama, You would be OK about that anyway. Is that fair to say?

Obama was given permission to run for President. The documents on file in Hawaii are such that if they came to light, would be contested. The powers that officiated giving him permission made a judgement call on less than solid documentation, and must protect that original documantation from the reasonable people who would find grounds to reject Obama’s eligibility.

This is one legitimate issue that smarter men than I keep in perspective. Hawai’i has the power to authenticate documents and has agreed with others to GIVE OBAMA Permission, by issuing the best representation of legitimacy that it can. The originals would have failed a challenge, so only select persons will be able to inspect those originals.

statesmen on the right have bigger fish to fry, and are smart enough to know not to beat their head against the wall over a moot point. Moot is what you get when the argument has been won by an administrative decision and is past the argument stage.

The antonym of “Moot” is “indisputable”. Administratively it is a settled matter, MOOT. Constitutionally it is disputable. Calling those who dipute the administrative decision crazy or racist is a devise that any good criminal defense attorney would use to dissuade a jury. smart republicans know that that kind of slander, in this case, is an effective device in the system they must operate in and to fight the MOOT is to defeat themselves. It really takes someone like the Donald who has nothing to lose to keep the light on this mystery, and he is right to do so.
Now Obama, having been given permission to run for president administratively, would be CRAZY to release the weak and embarrassing originals. Hey, who could blame him for that? I’m not likely to volanteer info that someone could beat me over the head with either.

King’s evidence, (those examples of Obama saying those American things) is symptomatic of those who defend Obama without being convinced that there is nothing to the birther thing. It’s more touchy feely stuff, and a joke for sure.

hgovernick said:
I’m beginning to believe I’d prefer to leave the earthly realm than continue to be stuck here with a bunch of illiterate, inbred lost and voiceless maggots like you. You can have the earth and all its toys, then share hell with the rest of your selfish, cancerous breed as your afterlife.

I feel like I ought to be calling 911 or a neighbor for you or something. Are you going to be OK alone for tonight ?

Barack Must Go said:
I feel like I ought to be calling 911 or a neighbor for you or something. Are you going to be OK alone for tonight ?

Sounds like you have a nice for-profit business going. Is it legal though?

Obama is finished. The birther’s have won the debate. When BO has to go on tv and claim he’s elegable to be our president and that he’s not the devil then he has lost everything.

This is a really simple issue. Birther = racist. Birther is a code word for anti-black. I have never met a birther who did not have racist attitudes.

I’ve tweeted Tommy twice trying to get him to admit that King lied:

http://24ahead.com/n/10642

Even the craziest Obama fan/”AntiBirther” has to admit that King IDed the wrong building, right? Yet, they can’t do that. No matter how much the MSM keeps inventing new “facts” about this matter, Obama fans/”AntiBirthers” will just accept that as the newtruth.

Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher must be living in a strange world thick with some smelly substance to read crazy into what John King said or maybe its just marketing to the right wing market that Mediaite caters to. Tommy Christopher cannot actually believe what he wrote.

Resistance Is Futile said:
This is a really simple issue. Birther = racist. Birther is a code word for anti-black. I have never met a birther who did not have racist attitudes.

You just met your first, if this qualifies as what you consider a meeting.

Being black is Obama’s greatest asset, he carries himself well, and has a great smile.

Now, I want to see the original signatures on a birth certificate please.

Sorry to spoil things for you.

WHarropson said:
You just met your first, if this qualifies as what you consider a meeting.

Being black is Obama’s greatest asset, he carries himself well, and has a great smile.

Now, I want to see the original signatures on a birth certificate please.

Sorry to spoil things for you.

You are not spoiling things you are proving my point. You think being black is an asset. You, like Biden during the 2008 campaign, seem to think it is either special that a black man “carries himself well and has a great smile”. That is racism. You would never react like that or make comments like that to a white candidate because you would expect them to carry themselves well and hopefully have a great smile.

Thank you for proving my point that birthers + racism.

WHarropson said:
I’m reposting what I said elsewhere. Passionate birthers are on to something, but practical politicians have a different row to hoe.

. . .etc., etc., etc. . . .

An interesting take, but not valid.

First off there’s no evidence that Obama is a Communist Marxist (or a Presbyterian Marxist for that matter), and a vast amount of evidence that he’s an unsurprisingly left-of-center traditional Democrat.

Further, you weaken any argument when you start off with a shrill expostulation of non-fact and then wander further off the track by stating your opinions as if they were fact: “if they came to light, would be contested;” “judgement call on less than solid documentation;” “the originals would have failed a challenge,” etc., etc. In these unsubstantiated statements is the germ of the “crazy” theme that surrounds birtherism.

You are, IMO, quite right that more sensible Republicans don’t want to touch the birther issue with a 10-foot-pole because it would make them look nuts. They recognise that there’s no there there and back away quickly. Trump is *not* sensible, nor is he seriously running. He’s just recharging his celebrity batteries so he can keep his career as a public goofball going.

I appreciate that you acknowledge birther arguments have been decisively dismissed wherever they’ve been raised legally. Your contention that there’s a Constitutional issue is, as I said and you agreed, moot.

So ultimately we end up in the same place: you got nothin’. No facts, no support even among leading Republicans, and a solid and growing majority of Americans who think birthers are bonkers. Far be it from me to dissuade you from a hobby that actually reduces rightwing effectiveness, but if you expect to bring this president down using the thin reeds you’ve gathered so far, you’re in for a big disappointment.

Don’t let me discourage you, though. Trust me — I want you to keep at it.

Barack Must Go said:
I only by water based products these days. You never know when a gang of domestic terrorist, left wing bomb throwers might break in and steal the stuff to be used in a bomb to protest the end of free cheese in this country. Rough days are ahead for this country. Us ” real ” Americans will through our pre planning, family first attitude and trust God will whether the ensuing storm just fine. You left wing, sucking on the government teet ( actually me and mine ) not so much. Riots in the streets, like we see throughtout the rest of the world today, will be coming to a town near you this Summer courtesy of the Obama regime. We’ll be ready for you, some of us with open arms and a couple cans of corn, others with the end of a shot gun, so choose wisely…….the life you save might just be your own. ……and ” BOOM ” goes the left wing bomb thrower dynamite……again. This is really becoming a rather annoying habit with you guys.

Whackadoodle.

mediadoubt said:
Whackadoodle.

Whack – A – Mole.

mediadoubt said:
They recognise that there’s no there there and back away quickly

If the original never see’s the light of day, you are right, there is no there there. If it is released, would you be that certain?

I think not. You call birthers crazy from a position of power. That power is recognized in a pracitcal way to wise politicians. Nixon accepted that the Kennedy stole an election because he understood power, and the practical nature of his business. I’m not Nixon, but that doesn’t mean I don’t admire Nixon for having that practical perspective. I’m just that guy with that crazy hobby, questioning the unproven. It’s kind of like a good scientist does.
You would make a commendable criminal defense attorney. Thanks for your response.

Resistance Is Futile said:
Thank you for proving my point that birthers + racism.

I think you just bested me by proving that you wouldn’t know it if you met someone. So no one can help you.

I forgot to respond to mediadoubt the Communist Marxist thing. the standard of proof you require is quite tortured. I’m not waiting for Obama to say it opely to your satisfaction. He is a smart guy, you know it and so do I. I once ran into a lyndon LaRouche wacko manning a IMPEACH OBAMA booth at the beach. When the guy handed me his literature I told him: “Don’t be so hard on our President. It’s not his fault he was born a Communist!” He didn’t laugh, but I though is was kind of funny.

You require some kind of proof, where only common sense is required. Obama seems to be blending in well as a marxist, thanks to the Democrat Party. Now remember, it was a Guy named Sims that declared that the Communists very well could capture the Democrat Party.

http://tinyurl.com/3ruscom How much proof would satisfy you?

WHarropson said:
I think you just bested me by proving that you wouldn’t know it if you met someone. So no one can help you.

Huh! What are you trying to say.? I posted “You are not spoiling things you are proving my point. You think being black is an asset. You, like Biden during the 2008 campaign, seem to think it is either special that a black man “carries himself well and has a great smile”. That is racism. You would never react like that or make comments like that to a white candidate because you would expect them to carry themselves well and hopefully have a great smile.

Thank you for proving my point that birthers + racism.” and you responded with y\tjis gibberish ” I think you just bested me by proving that you wouldn’t know it if you met someone. So no one can help you.”

Take some time, think about what I said and try to give a more coherent response.

http://tinyurl.com/3ruscom How much proof would satisfy you?

You have my word. I’m not racist. We have met. You can’t say you never met a birther that wasn’t racist. If you hold to your claim after today, no one can help you. Sorry if I didn’t make it clear enough for you the first time, My focus is the hidden secret documents. That would be a curiosity to me if the man was born raised and educated as a white marxist as well and whose grandmother recalls witnessing his birth in lets say.. Poland, Germany, Russia, just pick one.

I’ll be happy to be your first non racist birther friend. Glad to meet your aquaintence. I’d like to hear someone make a more spirited rebuttal of the Marxist Communist origins of our President, but all I can hear are crickets, and that’s right the racist thing.

It’s OK. I’m used to it.

No one really believes birther’s are racist. The libs/progressives just wish it was true, so they keep making these libelous/slanderous accusations. That’s ok because everybody knows the birthers are motivated by the uniquely American trait of always seeking out the truth.

Doesn’t it just make you angry because THIS Black man is refusing to SHOW HIS PAPERS! HAHAHAHA! I love it. It’s about time. And…it’s making some of you go absolutely crazy. Obamacare…Obama the Communist…Obama the Marxist…Obama the Muslim. Let’s see what else can we label this Brilliant thinker. Hillary couldn’t get him. Good ol’ John McCain couldn’t get him.

And..if Donald Trump continues his shanannigans…as he said…Obama will win again. Do you suspect Donald Trump is being paid by the Obama camp to throw the 2012 election. Naaaaa. That couldn’t be. Well, you know politicians can have pretty strange bed fellows!!!
At least I’ve given all of you something to think about…another CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!

WHarropson said:
forgot to respond to mediadoubt the Communist Marxist thing. the standard of proof you require is quite tortured. I’m not waiting for Obama to say it opely . . .

. . . etc., etc. . . .

I’m somewhat familiar with what American Communists are talking about these days (it’s pretty easy with the Internet) and it’s just about what you’d expect: exhortations to the working man to “pull himself up by his bootstraps, turn himself inside out, and see the world with new eyes.” Along with a lot more unrealistic and sentimental hogwash.

It’s got to be tough to be a commie in the US today, trying to agitate for an ideology that’s been proven dead wrong in just about every way possible: wrong politically, wrong economically, wrong logically, wrong historically, wrong psychologically, wrong sociologically, just wrong, wrong, wrong.

But there’s really no congruence between mainstream Democratic principles and those of the Communist Party USA. There are some shared sentiments — the rights of man, dignity for working people, distrust of the excessively rich, etc., but you can find similar sentiments in mainstream Christianity.

So, naah, Obama’s no commie and — not withstanding his grandparents liberal views — not a red-diaper baby, and not a deep plant by somebody (the USSR being long gone) to destabilize America. We can all sleep well in our beds without worrying about that particular bogeyman.

There is quite a litany of characters in Obama’s past that goes a long way in defining the man, and your soothing reference to the loving grandparents aptly diminishes how radical his surroundings were. You are comfortable with discounting the influence of Frank Marshall Davis by not using him for your example, I hope you can respect my discomfort with it all. Were not talking about some begnign squishy liberalism here, it’s far more substantial than that.
The Christianity thing is another debate. A spiritual kingdom does not a communist make. Those who miss the spiritual kingdom concept immediately run to the fallacy that government is somehow christianity fulfilled.

Here’s a perspective for you on torture I bet you didn’t see coming. God employed torture (at the hand of the Roman Guards) to meet out the punisment of all the sins of all mankind. Think of it as a sunday school object lesson on steroids. It’s like, if you don’t depend on Jesus for your salvation, this is what God has in store for you. If that isn’t an endorsment of torture I don’t know what is. How’s that grab you. Jesus may have looked like a hippie but his message wasn’t that evil doers shouldn’t be punished, he became an example of the kind of punishment evil doers deserve. He never cursed his torturers, they were allowed by God to torture him. His kingdom, a spiritual Kingdom, has an example in flesh and blood of the (spiritual) punishment for evil. Here’s another news flash. All governments are ordained by god to punish evildoers. That is not squishy. Sorry I got sidetracked, but the Christian and commie equivilency thing is a sticky point for me.

Thanks for your comments.

Oh by the way Donald,
I need a job. I’m not hard to find.
I’m the only one in the world with my name, and I don’t hide it.
If we find out along the way that Obama’s Cert is legit, what the heck, we like the truth in whatever form it’s in right! Hey, we like the man as well, he just needs to be defeated that’s all.
I’m not kidding about the job, contracting is So Cal ain’t hapni’n.
I have a suit since I go to church every Sunday.
Wayne

WHarropson said:
There is quite a litany of characters in Obama’s past that goes a long way in defining the man, and your soothing reference to the loving grandparents aptly diminishes how radical his surroundings were. You are comfortable with discounting the influence of Frank Marshall Davis by not using him for your example, I hope you can respect my discomfort with it all. Were not talking about some begnign squishy liberalism here, it’s far more substantial than that.
The Christianity thing is another debate. A spiritual kingdom does not a communist make. Those who miss the spiritual kingdom concept immediately run to the fallacy that government is somehow christianity fulfilled.

Here’s a perspective for you on torture I bet you didn’t see coming. God employed torture (at the hand of the Roman Guards) to meet out the punisment of all the sins of all mankind. Think of it as a sunday school object lesson on steroids. It’s like, if you don’t depend on Jesus for your salvation, this is what God has in store for you. If that isn’t an endorsment of torture I don’t know what is. How’s that grab you. Jesus may have looked like a hippie but his message wasn’t that evil doers shouldn’t be punished, he became an example of the kind of punishment evil doers deserve. He never cursed his torturers, they were allowed by God to torture him. His kingdom, a spiritual Kingdom, has an example in flesh and blood of the (spiritual) punishment for evil. Here’s another news flash. All governments are ordained by god to punish evildoers. That is not squishy. Sorry I got sidetracked, but the Christian and commie equivilency thing is a sticky point for me.

Thanks for your comments.

This is just plain sick!

ellie said:
This is just plain sick!

Glad you liked it,

WHarropson said:
All governments are ordained by god to punish evildoers.

I was trying to follow your argument up to the statement above. Now you’ve lost me in toto.

mediadoubt said:
I’m somewhat familiar with what American Communists are talking about these days (it’s pretty easy with the Internet) and it’s just about what you’d expect: exhortations to the working man to “pull himself up by his bootstraps, turn himself inside out, and see the world with new eyes.” Along with a lot more unrealistic and sentimental hogwash.

It’s got to be tough to be a commie in the US today, trying to agitate for an ideology that’s been proven dead wrong in just about every way possible: wrong politically, wrong economically, wrong logically, wrong historically, wrong psychologically, wrong sociologically, just wrong, wrong, wrong.

But there’s really no congruence between mainstream Democratic principles and those of the Communist Party USA. There are some shared sentiments — the rights of man, dignity for working people, distrust of the excessively rich, etc., but you can find similar sentiments in mainstream Christianity.

So, naah, Obama’s no commie and — not withstanding his grandparents liberal views — not a red-diaper baby, and not a deep plant by somebody (the USSR being long gone) to destabilize America. We can all sleep well in our beds without worrying about that particular bogeyman.

Then why do YOU still insist on sleeping ( cowering ) under yours. What is it you are so afraid of ?

The way you approach life, your on line fatasy life anyway, is classic Neuroticism at it’s worst.

You find a kindred spirit in Obama, as he is also ‘ only fooling himself ‘ he is something the rest of the ” real ” world knows he is not.

At least YOUR harmless fantasy isn’t actually hurting anybody else, his is.

Barack Must Go said:
Then why do YOU still insist on sleeping ( cowering ) under yours. What is it you are so afraid of ?

The way you approach life, your on line fatasy life anyway, is classic Neuroticism at it’s worst.

You find a kindred spirit in Obama, as he is also ‘ only fooling himself ‘ he is something the rest of the ” real ” world knows he is not.

At least YOUR harmless fantasy isn’t actually hurting anybody else, his is.

I’m going to try this one more time, because I’m an optimist and I really believe that anyone who isn’t suffering from profound cortical degeneration can learn.

Here’s the lesson: If your response to a serious statement is to throw up echoes of your deepest fears — especially in such a transparent manner — all you do is reveal to the world what those deepest fears are.

Some would say that there are therapeutic benefits to the severe projection you are exhibiting here, but those benefits are unlikely to be realized in the context of a discussion board. Not enough emotional support (especially since participants who would ordinarily be emotionally supportive now hate you so much they hope for nothing more than you to spontaneously combust), and not enough guidance when your hateful ramblings lead you away from normative behavior rather than toward it.

I think you need to up the dosage and reduce your exposure to challenging stimuli until you regain (or gain for the first time) your equilibrium.

And remember: in these enlightened times, mental illness need not make you an outcast from society. Many people with your condition live productive (if somewhat constrained) lives, many of them actually residing in the community.

So there’s hope for you if you try a bit harder.

mediadoubt said:
I’m going to try this one more time, because I’m an optimist and I really believe that anyone who isn’t suffering from profound cortical degeneration can learn.

Here’s the lesson: If your response to a serious statement is to throw up echoes of your deepest fears — especially in such a transparent manner — all you do is reveal to the world what those deepest fears are.

Some would say that there are therapeutic benefits to the severe projection you are exhibiting here, but those benefits are unlikely to be realized in the context of a discussion board. Not enough emotional support (especially since participants who would ordinarily be emotionally supportive now hate you so much they hope for nothing more than you to spontaneously combust), and not enough guidance when your hateful ramblings lead you away from normative behavior rather than toward it.

I think you need to up the dosage and reduce your exposure to challenging stimuli until you regain (or gain for the first time) your equilibrium.

And remember: in these enlightened times, mental illness need not make you an outcast from society. Many people with your condition live productive (if somewhat constrained) lives, many of them actually residing in the community.

So there’s hope for you if you try a bit harder.

Did you really need to type all that blowing smoke up YOUR own ass gobblety goop to hide that fact that YOU want to kill me ? You libs just crack me up, and not the way YOU think either.

Does this have something to do with Obimbo? HELL YES….. that should put an end to that non-argument! Why does it have to be done at the state level when there is are Federal requirements? That question answers it’s self!

mediadoubt said:
All governments are ordained by god to punish evildoers.
I was trying to follow your argument up to the statement above. Now you’ve lost me in toto.

Romans 13:1-6

WHarropson said:
All governments are ordained by god to punish evildoers.

My statements should steer you to more substantive explanations. I googled my statement above and this was the first hit. Enjoy.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Timothy/baldwin113.htm

Barack Must Go said:
Did you really need to type all that blowing smoke up YOUR own ass gobblety goop to hide that fact that YOU want to kill me ? You libs just crack me up, and not the way YOU think either.

Is there ever any substance to one of your posts?

Resistance Is Futile said:
You are not spoiling things you are proving my point. You think being black is an asset. You, like Biden during the 2008 campaign, seem to think it is either special that a black man “carries himself well and has a great smile”. That is racism. You would never react like that or make comments like that to a white candidate because you would expect them to carry themselves well and hopefully have a great smile.

Thank you for proving my point that birthers + racism.

Excellent response, logically supported.

mediadoubt said:

“All governments are ordained by god to punish evildoers.
I was trying to follow your argument up to the statement above. Now you’ve lost me in toto.”

To which:

WHarropson said:
Romans 13:1-6

Try applying Romans 13:1-6 to the authority of the defeated rulers Hitler and Stalin:

Romans 13:1-6 (King James Version)

Romans 13

1. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4. For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

hgovernick said:
Try applying Romans 13:1-6 to the authority of the defeated rulers Hitler and Stalin:

You may be on to something there. My statement was to engage the concept that when God ordains governments to punish evildoers, the means is the sword, a basic torture device, agreed?

I suggest if you find yourself in Nazi germany, or Stalins Russia, that you obey the government while there and promptly expatriate yourself to a country, and petition for citizenship somewhere else. God used the Romans sword, he can use Hitlers as well. He frankly uses what’s available, evil regime or not. Don’t think for a minute that a murderer can’t meet out god’s judgement on another murderer.

My comments are to provide some perspective to the squishy liberals that called Bush a torturer. I’m suggesting that God is not worried that evildoers might suffer discomfort, but that your government is ordained to punish them. If individuals within the Government meet out this punishment without due authority, they should be called to account, either by earthy or heavenly justice. I appreciate your question, I expected it. Do some googling as I did for more detailed answers to your very good question.

hgovernick said:
mediadoubt said:

“All governments are ordained by god to punish evildoers.
I was trying to follow your argument up to the statement above. Now you’ve lost me in toto.”

To which:

Try applying Romans 13:1-6 to the authority of the defeated rulers Hitler and Stalin:

Romans 13:1-6 (King James Version)

Romans 13

1. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4. For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

I believe they were referring to the ( Rick James Version ) if I’m not mistaken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E1ss3_lNhk&feature=related

“…The Last of Prophets.”

(“I convey to you the Messages of my Lord and give sincere advice to you. And I know from Allah what you know not.”)

(Muhammad {pbuh} is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the last [end] of the Prophets. And Allah is Ever-All Aware of everything.)

Narrated Jubair bin Mut’im: Allah’s Messenger said, “I have five names: I am Muhammad and Ahmad; I am Al Mahi through whom Allah will eliminate Al-Kufr [infidelity]; I am Al-Hashir who will be the first to be resurrected, the people being resurrected thereafter; and I am also Al-Aqib [i.e. there will be no Prophet after me].”

(Say [O Muhammad {pbuh}] “I warn you only by the revelation [from Allah and not by the opinion of the religious scholars and others.] But the deaf [who follow the religious scholars and others blindly] will not hear the call, [even] when they are warned [i.e. one should follow only the Qur’an and the Sunnah [legal ways, orders, acts of worship, and the statements of Prophet Muhammad {pbuh}, as the companions of the Prophet did.)

“My example and the example of the Prophets before me is like a man who built a house, which he built and perfected except for the space of one block; people would go round the house and stare in awe at its perfection and say, “Had it not been for this space!” The Prophet said: “I am that brick, I am the last of Prophets.”

(O Children of Adam! If there come to you Messengers from amongst you, reciting to you My Verses, then whosoever becomes pious and righteous, on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve.)

(And those who believe in Allah and His Messengers and make no distinction between any of them [Messengers], We shall give them their rewards; and Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.)

(Verily, those who disbelieve in Allah and His Messengers and wish to make distinction between Allah and His Messengers [by believing in Allah and disbelieving in His Messengers] saying, “We believe in some but reject others,” and wish to adopt a way in between.)

(They are in truth disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment.)

(“And you shall certainly know the truth of it after a while.”)

(The dwelling of such [people] is Hell, and they will find no way of escape from it.)

(Indeed, We have sent Our Messengers with clear proofs, and revealed them the Scripture and the Balance [justice] that mankind may keep up justice. And We brought forth iron wherein is mighty power [in the matters of war], as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allah may test who it is that will help Him [His religion] and His Messengers in the unseen. Verily, Allah is All-Strong, All-Mighty.)

(And whosoever does not respond to Allah’s Caller, he cannot escape on earth, and there will be no Auliya [lords, helpers, supporters, protectors] for him besides Allah [from Allah’s punishment]. Those are in manifest error.)

(I convey to you the Messages of my Lord, and I am a trustworthy adviser [or well-wisher] for you.)

Jameela
Messenger of Allah

10 July 2009

We are ALL Arabs, Except the Jews

(“I convey to you the Messages of my Lord and give sincere advice to you. And I know from Allah what you know not.”)

Allah reveals in the following Verse of the Qur’an the entire earth’s population are descendants of the first man, Adam, with the exception of the Jews, as they are the Children of Iblis aka Israel.

(It is He who has created you from a single person (Adam), and has given you a place of residing (on the earth or in your mother’s wombs) and a place of storage [in the earth (in your graves) or in your father’s loins]. Indeed, We have explained in detail Our revelations (this Qur’an) for a people who understand.)

It is revealed in the following Hadith, that Adam spoke Arabic, which means Adam was an Arab, and ALL the Children of Adam are of Arab descent. And this is the reason Allah sent the Children of Adam an Arab messenger aka Prophet Muhammad [phuh].

Narrated Abu Hurairah: The Prophet said, “Allah created Adam in His Image, sixty cubits (about 30 metres) in height. When He created him, He said (to him), “Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your offspring.” Adam (went and) said, “As-Salamu Alaikum [peace be upon you].” They replied, “As-Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah {Peace and Allah’s mercy be on you).” So they increased Wa Rahmatullah.” The Prophet added, “So, whoever will enter Paradise, will be of the shape and picture of Adam. Since then the creation of Adam’s {offspring} {i.e. stature of human beings} is being diminished up to the present time.

The dirty-white race is the race furthest removed from the racial purity of our Arab father Adam, and by default, this makes the dirty-white race the morally and melanin depleted garbage race and not the master race, only master fools. Allah will dispose of the dirty-white garbage race in the manner in which Allah Disposes of the garbage that He has created. Allah Will burn the dirty-white garbage race in the bowels of the Hell-fire for worshipping a murdered Jew as god, along with their evil Jew masters. Allah reveals the Jew’s father in the following Verse of the Qur’an:

(I (Allah) made them (Iblis and his offspring) not to witness (nor took their help in) the creation of the heavens and the earth and not (even) their own creation, nor was I (Allah) to take the misleaders as helpers.)

([This is the] Revelation sent down from the Lord of the Alamin [mankind, jinn and all that exists].)

([He is Allah] Owner of High Ranks and Degrees, the Owner of the Throne. He sends the revelation by His Command to any of His slaves He wills, that he (the person who receives revelation) may warn (men) of the Day of Mutual Meeting [i.e. the Day of Resurrection].

(And to warn those [Jews, Christians, and pagans] who say, “Allah has begotten a son [or offspring or children].”)

(No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. Mighty is the word that comes out of their mouths [i.e. He begot sons and daughters]. They utter nothing but a lie.)

(Your Ilah [God] is One Ilah [God-Allah, none has the right to be worshipped but He])

(“And indeed, We created man from dried [sounding] clay of altered mud. And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.”).

(And I have created the jinn and men only to worship Me).

(And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”)

Jameela
Messenger of Allah
& Defender of Islam

18 April 2011

Jameela Barnette said:
We are ALL Arabs, Except the Jews

(“I convey to you the Messages of my Lord and give sincere advice to you. And I know from Allah what you know not.”)

Allah reveals in the following Verse of the Qur’an the entire earth’s population are descendants of the first man, Adam, with the exception of the Jews, as they are the Children of Iblis aka Israel.

(It is He who has created you from a single person (Adam), and has given you a place of residing (on the earth or in your mother’s wombs) and a place of storage [in the earth (in your graves) or in your father’s loins]. Indeed, We have explained in detail Our revelations (this Qur’an) for a people who understand.)

It is revealed in the following Hadith, that Adam spoke Arabic, which means Adam was an Arab, and ALL the Children of Adam are of Arab descent. And this is the reason Allah sent the Children of Adam an Arab messenger aka Prophet Muhammad [phuh].

Narrated Abu Hurairah: The Prophet said, “Allah created Adam in His Image, sixty cubits (about 30 metres) in height. When He created him, He said (to him), “Go and greet that group of angels sitting there, and listen what they will say in reply to you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your offspring.” Adam (went and) said, “As-Salamu Alaikum [peace be upon you].” They replied, “As-Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah {Peace and Allah’s mercy be on you).” So they increased Wa Rahmatullah.” The Prophet added, “So, whoever will enter Paradise, will be of the shape and picture of Adam. Since then the creation of Adam’s {offspring} {i.e. stature of human beings} is being diminished up to the present time.

The dirty-white race is the race furthest removed from the racial purity of our Arab father Adam, and by default, this makes the dirty-white race the morally and melanin depleted garbage race and not the master race, only master fools. Allah will dispose of the dirty-white garbage race in the manner in which Allah Disposes of the garbage that He has created. Allah Will burn the dirty-white garbage race in the bowels of the Hell-fire for worshipping a murdered Jew as god, along with their evil Jew masters. Allah reveals the Jew’s father in the following Verse of the Qur’an:

(I (Allah) made them (Iblis and his offspring) not to witness (nor took their help in) the creation of the heavens and the earth and not (even) their own creation, nor was I (Allah) to take the misleaders as helpers.)

([This is the] Revelation sent down from the Lord of the Alamin [mankind, jinn and all that exists].)

([He is Allah] Owner of High Ranks and Degrees, the Owner of the Throne. He sends the revelation by His Command to any of His slaves He wills, that he (the person who receives revelation) may warn (men) of the Day of Mutual Meeting [i.e. the Day of Resurrection].

(And to warn those [Jews, Christians, and pagans] who say, “Allah has begotten a son [or offspring or children].”)

(No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. Mighty is the word that comes out of their mouths [i.e. He begot sons and daughters]. They utter nothing but a lie.)

(Your Ilah [God] is One Ilah [God-Allah, none has the right to be worshipped but He])

(“And indeed, We created man from dried [sounding] clay of altered mud. And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.”).

(And I have created the jinn and men only to worship Me).

(And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”)

Jameela
Messenger of Allah
& Defender of Islam

18 April 2011

I liked it better when you were just selling jerseys and knock off purses.

Is there so way this woman can be sued for defamation of character. She’s a bozo.

This thing has gone a bit far afield Let me help a little:
Orley you need to work on your hair and makeup.
You’ve got an obligation to us birthers to bring some visual credit to the cause.
No Donald, your hair really doesn’t help much but keep up the good work anyway.
John King, stop with the Obama Patriotic statement examples, you are starting to convince me that Obama stopped listening to Michelle, and I’m conficted about that.

Birther + Racist = Tea Party member. Republican math.

I have never seen so many smart azz LibTards who have never taken Civics or Government…you guys must’ve been high that month.

It’s not hard to figure out that Obama’s has made FOOLS of liberals.

Libertarians get it…we know the Constitution…the rules…we get it.

You absolutely f’n do not.