Birthers claims BO is not eligible because BO’s Father is Kenyan. I don’t think Trump and Rubio could also run with the same illogical idea, why? because Trumps Mother was Scottish and Rubio’s left Castro’s Cuba.

Trump finally exposed by Crowley. For the first time in two weeks he was unenthusiastic to talk about it (after facing the facts).

And here I thought MEDIAite’s resident name dropper ( you know cool by association ) actually took the weekend off simply to relax. I should have known better. You truly are beyond hope…..seriously.

I think Mr Chrostopher has visited factcheck.org and Politifacts with Salon recently, because they’ve all debunked already debunked smears that Trump has just found out.

Barack Must Go said:
And here I thought MEDIAite’s resident name dropper ( you know cool by association ) actually took the weekend off simply to relax. I should have known better. You truly are beyond hope…..seriously.

Moron! he has provided his facts, where is yours? In the court of law. if you take accuse someone, isn’t up to you to provide evidence. If none was presented, the Judge would simply throw it out.

Please, Tommy. Too many facts. You almost sound like you believe Nobamah was born in the USA.

Trump’s credibility is dropping quicker than rain, I don’t know if he’ll be getting his phony program after this moronic smear campaign. He might move it to FOX.

Barack Must Go said:
And here I thought MEDIAite’s resident name dropper ( you know cool by association ) actually took the weekend off simply to relax. I should have known better. You truly are beyond hope…..seriously.

I thought the weekend was over. I guess I’ll go back home and go back to bed. That might be good news for you as seem rather unpleasant. Or, perhaps, a bit more fiber?

skyfet said:
Trump’s credibility is dropping quicker than rain, I don’t know if he’ll be getting his phony program after this moronic smear campaign. He might move it to FOX.

I should think it was all a demo for a new show on FOX “News”.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
I should think it was all a demo for a new show on FOX “News”.

Has been a regular for the past few weeks, maybe checking out where the grass is greener.

skyfet said:
Trump finally exposed by Crowley.

I loved how Trump went from being sure about something “obviously” being true to backpedaling with “Who knows?”…

TRUMP: The grandparents put that [birth announcement] in [the newspaper] because obviously they want him to be a United States citizen because in those days, people were much more proud than they are today unfortunately for being a United States citizen.

CROWLEY: I will tell you we’ve checked with both these papers early on — not to the latest when you brought it back in the headlines — but the fact is that the hospitals reported this information to the papers, and the papers printed it.

TRUMP: Who knows? You’re talking fifty years ago.

What a scuzzball.

Anyway, nice job Tommy. Nice to have all this info in one place. Too bad it wont do any good with our resident teabloggers.

sorry tommy, you can talk till you are blue in the face, blah, blah, blah. but birthers are like roswell aliens, bigfoot, area 51 and 911 truthers, they are never going to let it go, no matter what evidence you show

skyfet said:
Has been a regular for the past few weeks, maybe checking out where the grass is greener.

Amerika’s loudmouth thousandaire undoubtedly needs the revenue stream.

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
I loved how Trump went from being sure about something “obviously” being true to backpedaling with “Who knows?”…

TRUMP: The grandparents put that [birth announcement] in [the newspaper] because obviously they want him to be a United States citizen because in those days, people were much more proud than they are today unfortunately for being a United States citizen.

CROWLEY: I will tell you we’ve checked with both these papers early on — not to the latest when you brought it back in the headlines — but the fact is that the hospitals reported this information to the papers, and the papers printed it.

TRUMP: Who knows? You’re talking fifty years ago.

What a scuzzball.

Anyway, nice job Tommy. Nice to have all this info in one place. Too bad it wont do any good with our resident teabloggers.

I was hoping he would update us on the progress of his investigators on the ground in Hawaii.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
I was hoping he would update us on the progress of his investigators on the ground in Hawaii.

That was a lie, Salon found out he was lying (few days after making the phony claim).

MOTS from Tommy, defend hehimself, defend, defend, defend. Funny about that $2M…..what “frivolous charges” might those be? In Palin’s case we knew each one individually….in this one, not so much, and you throwing Palin in the mix is just blue meat for your buddies.

Why is everything about Obama a secret, and whjy do you give this person the benefit of the doubt, like no other politician has ever gotten, not even Slick Willy (although the left still refuses to accept the fact that he lied under oath and no one went after his sex life, they went after his lies under oath).

The left looks absurd, the media even more so, with their constant defense of Obama – a defense that NO other politician has ever gotten or will ever get. They campaigned for and voted for himself in 08 and they will do so again in 12.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Amerika’s

What is wrong with you , man ?

TfT said:
Why is everything about Obama a secret, and whjy do you give this person the benefit of the doubt, like no other politician has ever gotten, not even Slick Willy (although the left still refuses to accept the fact that he lied under oath and no one went after his sex life, they went after his lies under oath).

As usual not making any sense, where is your proof that he is wasn’t born here?

TfT said:
…

Same post….different day..

An Idea said:
What is wrong with you , man ?

Where does the question begins? After you or man?

The CoLB signature is dated June, 6, 2007…

At the USPS office you can not acquire a Passport with that form of CoLB…

If POTUS can wage war he surely has the power to release a hospital record…

TC,
You admitted that you want to see it…

I admit that Trump is flailing a bit (Birth notice was 9 days after — they all were 9 days after…)…
but he should stick to the intellectual exercise: Should POTUS hide such things that have capture the attention of Mediaite jouranlists?

This all goes away if he shows what Fukino has already saw…

As for Abercrombie… Do you believe he was there at Obama’s birth?

I will bet a mortgage payment he was born in Hawaii…
I would bet a second mortgae payement there is information about his father that is politically embarrassing on that hospital record…

I couldn’t be more embarrassing than the Nixon tapes… could it?

skoorbekim said:
I couldn’t be more embarrassing than the Nixon tapes… could it?

Unfortunately, you are.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
I was hoping he would update us on the progress of his investigators on the ground in Hawaii.

You really seem to be enjoying talking to yourself.

I remember when journalists uncovered lies , not covered for politicians and mocked anyone who had questions . Forget the BC . Barry Soetoro never legally changed his name back to Obama . He attended Occidental as Soetoro ( as a foreign student , likely with foreign aid ) . He went to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport in 1981 .

More fun to mock people , though , isn’t it , Tommy ?

TfT said:
MOTS from Tommy, defend hehimself, defend, defend, defend. Funny about that $2M…..what “frivolous charges” might those be? In Palin’s case we knew each one individually….in this one, not so much, and you throwing Palin in the mix is just blue meat for your buddies.

Why is everything about Obama a secret, and whjy do you give this person the benefit of the doubt, like no other politician has ever gotten, not even Slick Willy (although the left still refuses to accept the fact that he lied under oath and no one went after his sex life, they went after his lies under oath).

The left looks absurd, the media even more so, with their constant defense of Obama – a defense that NO other politician has ever gotten or will ever get. They campaigned for and voted for himself in 08 and they will do so again in 12.

Sorry, but your soul mate Ken Starr forever muddied that issue. But that aside, I think Ms. Lewinsky deserves an award. If that little stress relief gave us a robust economy, virtually no unemployment and peace, it seems a rather a worthy sacrifice and a commendable action. Perhaps if W and President Obama ….

No Idea said:
I remember when journalists uncovered lies , not covered for politicians and mocked anyone who had questions . Forget the BC . Barry Soetoro never legally changed his name back to Obama . He attended Occidental as Soetoro ( as a foreign student , likely with foreign aid ) . He went to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport in 1981 .

More fun to mock people , though , isn’t it , Tommy ?

So you are giving up on the BC, but now moving on to another conspiracy? What a life!

Three issues at hand:

1) Should Obama release his brith records to his subjects?

2) How is Trump handling himself with the media?

3) Is this hurting Obama politically?

Barack Must Go said:
You really seem to be enjoying talking to yourself.

You’d know this because its a hobby of yours.

skoorbekim said:
The CoLB signature is dated June, 6, 2007…

You are notably uninformed.

At the USPS office you can not acquire a Passport with that form of CoLB…

If POTUS can wage war he surely has the power to release a hospital record…

Yes. That is the date the state issues the certificate.

Yes, you can acquire a Passport with the certificate. Most passports are issued by virtue of certificates of the same sort. And, the USPS does not issue passports. The State Department does.

The hospital document is not a birth certificate.

skoorbekim said:
Three issues at hand:

1) Should Obama release his brith records to his subjects?

2) How is Trump handling himself with the media?

3) Is this hurting Obama politically?

It would help if you can read. 1. He can’t release it, not in his power to do so. 2. There’s no point going back and forth with ya, Bigfoot comes to mind.

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
I loved how Trump went from being sure about something “obviously” being true to backpedaling with “Who knows?”…

TRUMP: The grandparents put that [birth announcement] in [the newspaper] because obviously they want him to be a United States citizen because in those days, people were much more proud than they are today unfortunately for being a United States citizen.

CROWLEY: I will tell you we’ve checked with both these papers early on — not to the latest when you brought it back in the headlines — but the fact is that the hospitals reported this information to the papers, and the papers printed it.

TRUMP: Who knows? You’re talking fifty years ago.

What a scuzzball.

Anyway, nice job Tommy. Nice to have all this info in one place. Too bad it wont do any good with our resident teabloggers.

What hospital was Barack Jr’s ” live birth ” supposed to have taken place in Candy? Did you crack ( pot ) investigators think to follow up on this most important, as of today, still missing piece of the puzzle? No you say. Why is that Candy?

The left wing zealots are protecting a possible islamic plant in our White House. Sadly they do willingly do this simply based on the promise of some free cheese.How sick is that ” real ” America?

skoorbekim said:
Three issues at hand:

1) Should Obama release his brith records to his subjects?

2) How is Trump handling himself with the media?

3) Is this hurting Obama politically?

1) He has. A copy is provided above.

2) His goal is always publicity for himself, so he is handling himself well. He is not advancing the national dialogue, but that is not his goal.

3) Not. It helps him. The Birthers are in the minds of the American people associated with the Tea Party, the Tea Party with the Republicans. This subjects the Republicans to ridicule.

skoorbekim said:
Three issues at hand: 1) Should Obama release his brith records to his subjects? 2) How is Trump handling himself with the media? 3) Is this hurting Obama politically?

1) debatable, but I say yes…
2) media would say poorly, I say well: he’s ruffling their pretty feathers…
3) more and more as his polls #’s approach 40%…

skyfet said:
1. He can’t release it, not in his power to do so.

Presidential pardons, Executive signing statements…. yes.
Releasing his birth record… no?

Barack Must Go said:
What hospital was Barack Jr’s ” live birth ” supposed to have taken place in Candy?

Kapi’olani Medical Center, sometimes locally known as Queen’s Medical Center.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
1) He has. A copy is provided above.

it has not been released…

is TC a “Birther” for wanting to see it?

Barack Must Go said:
The left wing zealots are protecting a possible islamic plant in our White House.

Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo!

skoorbekim said:
Presidential pardons, Executive signing statements…. yes.
Releasing his birth record… no?

So in your head, it’s nice to break laws. I assume you study Politics via Nixon (if the President does it, it’s not a crime). May I remind you that the 3 different arms of Govt. are independent. So you will like a Totalitarian Regime in America. Nice to know.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Kapi’olani Medical Center, sometimes locally known as Queen’s Medical Center.

They are two miles apart…

Besides — He was born in Hawaii, fine we’ll use that as commonn ground…
Does POTUS, one who prides himself as the most transparent ever, have the obligation to release a hospital record that Mediaite wants to see?

skoorbekim said:
it has not been released…

The copy appears above, dimwit.

Very nice article, Tommy.

skyfet said:
So in your head, it’s nice to break laws

Obama has issued signing statements…
POTUS has launched cruise missiles against Libya…

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
The copy appears above, dimwit.

Easy with the name calling….
pretend this is a mock trial or debate class…
The long form is in an office and has been seen by Hawaiian health officials…
Are you implying that Fukino is lying?

trump is a lightweight when it comes to attacking obama. he should grow some balls like orly tates and start throwing around some really crazy accusations…

Taitz has made other Obama-related claims, including:
A number of homosexuals from Obama’s former church have died mysteriously.
Obama has dozens of Social Security numbers, and his passport is inaccurate. Taitz claims that a person who was cooperating with the FBI in connection with Obama’s passport died mysteriously, “shot in the head”.
A Kenyan birth certificate with the name “Barack Obama” is authentic.
Obama’s first act as President was to donate money to Hamas, which she claims will be used to build Qassam rockets.
Obama, or someone connected to him, has made threats to Taitz’s life and vandalized her car.[19]
Obama is having the Federal Emergency Management Agency build internment camps for “Anti-Obama dissidents”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Taitz#Taitz_v._Obama

Once this issue evaporates its T-Paw’s time to shine…
T-Paw / Rubio have positioned themselves well with this issue…
T-Paw / Rubio is an electoral college mine field for Obama / Biden in 2012…
unless TC exposes the GOP “Southern Strategy” as an October surprise…

Good lord! Until reading this I had never entertained the Birther conspiracy theory for one second.

“Why Doesn’t President Obama Release His Long-Form Birth Certificate?” — this exposition contains more catches than a Joseph Heller novel!

Just quit while the president is ahead, Tommy, before you turn the entire country into conspiracy crackpots!

skoorbekim said:
Easy with the name calling….
pretend this is a mock trial or debate class…
The long form is in an office and has been seen by Hawaiian health officials…
Are you implying that Fukino is lying?

No, you obstinate moron. The official record released and releasable is the certificate above. This is true of virtually all states, and it is the type used for all official purposes including obtaining a passport. It is a birth certificate. Pure and simple. The fact that doesn’t satisfy your racially-tinged desire to slander our President doesn’t change that.

Cecelia said:
Good lord! Until reading this I had never entertained the Birther conspiracy theory for one second.

“Why Doesn’t President Obama Release His Long-Form Birth Certificate?” — this exposition contains more catches than a Joseph Heller novel!

Just quit while the president is ahead, Tommy, before you turn the entire country into conspiracy crackpots!

A highly vocal portion of the country long has been.

skoorbekim said:
Once this issue evaporates its T-Paw’s time to shine…

A bit of powder can help that.

An Idea said:
I remember when journalists uncovered lies , not covered for politicians and mocked anyone who had questions

Tommy is uncovering lies.
You just don’t like where the lies are coming from.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Kapi’olani Medical Center, sometimes locally known as Queen’s Medical Center.

Two completely seperate entities both hospitals in Honalulu Hawaii.

Speaking of lu lu’s, YOU take the ______ing cake Girth.

thinking about that other story of trump with giuliani in drag…has anyone seen orly tates and drag giuliani together?

One little quibble here. Obama could release the original, if he had a copy of it. The fact that he doesn’t have it is meaningless. I don’t have my original either, nor can I get the original from the state. All I have and all I can produce is the equivalent of Obama’s COLB. That document is legal proof of my birth and it is acceptable as such in any situation I might need to prove that fact.

Dude was born in Hawaii, period. Buy there may be something on there that he doesn’t want people to see, and it isn’t any mention of religion. The Unified Theory of Barack Obama explains it. :)

All in all, this is a pretty good collection of the facts of the matter, Tommy. You been taking lessons?

Let me be the first to throw bullshit on this article….

The one and only thing that will debunk this whole bowl of crap is for BO to show his original birth certificate. You say he can’t?? Horseshit.

Your telling me the president of the United States… the leader of the free world, the unicorn in chief is going to be held in contempt of court or under threat of arrest if he dares to release a photocopy of the original? Puhh… leaaasssee.

If the leader of the free world wants to prove his detractors wrong and embarrass the living shit out of them, he would release it. Period. But he won’t… because the big bad state of Hawaii may take potential legal action? (Laughter). They love the guy over there.. why would they go after him to debunk the birthers??? (sarcasm)

How many more excuses from the media are we going to hear before they do their job??

Barack Must Go said:
Two completely seperate entities both hospitals in Honalulu Hawaii.

Speaking of lu lu’s, YOU take the ______ing cake Girth.

I’m neither Girth nor Garth, liar. You need to stop listening to the moron WrLter.

And, yes, they are separate entities. If you’d cared to read up, you’d know Kapi’olani was a queen and that locals often refer to the center as “Queens”.

Bobomatic said:
Let me be the first to throw bullshit on this article….

The one and only thing that will debunk this whole bowl of crap is for BO to show his original birth certificate. You say he can’t?? Horseshit.

Your telling me the president of the United States… the leader of the free world, the unicorn in chief is going to be held in contempt of court or under threat of arrest if he dares to release a photocopy of the original? Puhh… leaaasssee.

If the leader of the free world wants to prove his detractors wrong and embarrass the living shit out of them, he would release it. Period. But he won’t… because the big bad state of Hawaii may take potential legal action? (Laughter). They love the guy over there.. why would they go after him to debunk the birthers??? (sarcasm)

How many more excuses from the media are we going to hear before they do their job??

If Obama were white, would this even be an issue? The answer is no. Enough said.

The muslim prince could simply make an executive order forcing the Hawaian government to releases his supposed ” ORIGINAL ” original birth certificate, not record of live birth due to national security concerns.

That concern being us ” real ” Americans want definitive proof that the president of the United States of America is actually who and what he has presented himself to be. What’s wrong with that libs?

I’m neither Girth nor Garth,

—-

Prove it, racist.

Trump is just doing a Stephen Colbert and is trying to sell it as a reality show to FOX.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
If Obama were white

Total moron .
And , dumber than the little fool skyfet .

An Idea said:
Total moron .
And , dumber than the little fool skyfet .

Black or white Obama will go down as the worst, ever!

LOL…Tommy Christopher is awesome. You are such the apologist for President O-Bomb-a-your-ass-Libya. You and Colby Hall do everything in your power to make excuses for hims, right or wrong.

It makes no difference that you “write” stories that are not about the Media – that little talking point of yours has been proven wrong time and again.

None-the-less, this whole birther crap is doing it’s job. As Trump and others, not to mention you, talk about this distraction we are not talking about the debacle that is the O-Bomb-a presidency. No mention of the historical deficits, debt, more wars, record gas prices that are kicking Americans in the gut, and a horrible economy.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
If Obama were white, would this even be an issue? The answer is no. Enough said.

Your the single most revolting commenter on these boards.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
No, you obstinate moron.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951

POTUS does not want this record released…
My question is why…
If this POTUS had a different name the Dan Rather types would be having Watergate relapses…

More Liberty5 says:

The left wing apologist sites like this one bring up the “birfer” issue more than anyone. They like to claim that Trump brings it up. Watch any one of his interviews…The interviewer brings it, first. Every time!

As of this time stamp, the front page of this website that is supposed to discuss “media” topics has at least 7…that is SEVEN articles about the birther BS.

Are you serious Mediaite? You whine about these people questioning O-Bomb-a but make money on the issue yourself. It’s amazing.

Jaurez said:
I’m neither Girth nor Garth,

—-

Prove it, racist.

I have to prove nothing. The slander is yours. Learn something about American jurisprudence, twit.

Bobomatic said:
Your the single most revolting commenter on these boards.

Considering commenters like “sprocket,” “bfdummie,” et al, that’s saying a lot.

Bobomatic said:
THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
If Obama were white, would this even be an issue? The answer is no. Enough said.

Your the single most revolting commenter on these boards.

Thank you.

More Liberty5 said:
As of this time stamp, the front page of this website that is supposed to discuss “media” topics has at least 7…that is SEVEN articles about the birther BS. Are you serious Mediaite? You whine about these people questioning O-Bomb-a but make money on the issue yourself. It’s amazing.

drive-by media…
but of course they’re above it all///

skoorbekim said:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951

POTUS does not want this record released…
My question is why…
If this POTUS had a different name the Dan Rather types would be having Watergate relapses…

Perhaps because any discussion of this issue helps our President politically? No better endorsement for a candidate than the resident of the asylum supporting his opponent.

Tommy, you don’t even pretend anymore, do you? So now you’re giving advice to would be interviewers, encouraging them to do the interview how _you’d_ like it done. Nice.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Perhaps because any discussion of this issue helps our President politically? No better endorsement for a candidate than the resident of the asylum supporting his opponent.

That is a valid point…
but is there a point where it truns into a liabailty…

TC wants to see the hospital birth record…
he is just afraid to ask;
big bad Ed Schultz might give him a wedgie next time they see each other in the White House…

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
I’m neither Girth nor Garth, liar. You need to stop listening to the moron WrLter.

And, yes, they are separate entities. If you’d cared to read up, you’d know Kapi’olani was a queen and that locals often refer to the center as “Queens”.

Well I live on the mainland and don’t give rat’s rearend what the locals call anything. I just want the facts ma’ am, nothing else.

Do you or any left wing zealots have an original copy of the hospital records for Barack’s ” live birth ” or is access that conveniently against Hawaian law also, huh Girth?

Bobomatic said:
The one and only thing that will debunk this whole bowl of crap is for BO to show his original birth certificate. You say he can’t?? Horseshit.

Assume for a minute that he simply doesn’t have it. (And consider how likely that is given his childhood) Now, ask that question again.

More Liberty5 said:
None-the-less, this whole birther crap is doing it’s job. As Trump and others, not to mention you, talk about this distraction we are not talking about the debacle that is the O-Bomb-a presidency. No mention of the historical deficits, debt, more wars, record gas prices that are kicking Americans in the gut, and a horrible economy.

That, my friend, is exactly right.

Barack Must Go said:
The muslim prince could simply make an executive order forcing the Hawaian government to releases his supposed ” ORIGINAL ” original birth certificate, not record of live birth due to national security concerns.

Um, no. He cannot order the state of Hawaii to violate Hawaiian law.

Pablo said:
Um, no. He cannot order the state of Hawaii to violate Hawaiian law.

Why not? He goes against settled federal law whenever he feels like doing so.

Barack can run but he cannot hide this time.

cjd ohio 1 said:
sorry tommy, you can talk till you are blue in the face, blah, blah, blah. but birthers are like roswell aliens, bigfoot, area 51 and 911 truthers, they are never going to let it go, no matter what evidence you show

Didn’t this article just explain how no one, even BO, can show the bc? All people like Trump are saying is “show us the bc.” If he did show it, it would be dropped like a hot potato. So it’s not accurate to say “birthers” wouldn’t give it up in that embarrassing “truther” like way. Of course they would. Especially when there are so many other much more serious issues that he is sucking at.

Do you mopes really think we care about this? It’s you guys who are having wet dreams about Trump getting the nomination and running on “Where’s the bc?”

Steve_27 said:
Didn’t this article just explain how no one, even BO, can show the bc?

Pablo said:
He cannot order the state of Hawaii to violate Hawaiian law.

Illogical and/or naive…

CIA documents are released easier than this hospital record…

POTUS can launch missiles, pardon criminals, ignore Federal judicial rulings… but he can’t open a file cabinet in Honolulu?

Do you truly think that a phone call to Fukino from the Oval Office could not release the information contained in that record…

Speaking of releasing confidential documents:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6112947.ece

skoorbekim said:
Illogical and/or naive…

CIA documents are released easier than this hospital record…

He has the authority to declassify CIA docs, given that it is a federal agency and he is the Chief Executive of the Federal government. The law allows him to do that. The Hawaii Department of Vital Statistics is not under the authority of POTUS.

POTUS can launch missiles, pardon criminals, ignore Federal judicial rulings… but he can’t open a file cabinet in Honolulu?

Right. Except for that ignore judicial rulings bit. That has consequences.

Here is the FOIA information POTUS could use to release personal material:
http://www.foia.cia.gov/sample_privacy_request_letter.asp

Barack Must Go said:
Well I live on the mainland and don’t give rat’s rearend what the locals call anything. I just want the facts ma’ am, nothing else.

Do you or any left wing zealots have an original copy of the hospital records for Barack’s ” live birth ” or is access that conveniently against Hawaian law also, huh Girth?

Since you persist in the Garth/Girth lie and slander, I have no intention of responding to any of your moronic, reactionary posts.

skoorbekim said:
THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Perhaps because any discussion of this issue helps our President politically? No better endorsement for a candidate than the resident of the asylum supporting his opponent.

That is a valid point…
but is there a point where it truns into a liabailty…

Possibly. I’m not sure what the line is.

skoorbekim said:
Do you truly think that a phone call to Fukino from the Oval Office could not release the information contained in that record…

The information contained in that record has been released, in accordance with Hawaiian law. Fukino has also issued several statements verifying her personal knowledge of the veracity of that information. And yet, we’re still here whipping this dead horse, much to Barack Obama’s delight.

skoorbekim said:
Here is the FOIA information POTUS could use to release personal material:
http://www.foia.cia.gov/sample_privacy_request_letter.asp

That’s federal, not the State of Hawaii.

Pablo said:
The Hawaii Department of Vital Statistics is not under the authority of POTUS.

Hypothetical:
If POTUS demanded that it be released would it?

Pablo said:
much to Barack Obama’s delight.

There might be a tipping point in the other direction…
I mean, TC is on the case…

Epic smackdown, Tommy. Well done investigative journalism.

Nacho said:
Well done investigative journalism.

How did Jack Ryan’s divorce papers get released to the press?

baww, the birthers can’t stand the fact that their idiotic theories have been proven incorrect.

skoorbekim said:
Hypothetical:If POTUS demanded that it be released would it?

why would he violate the laws of the state of hawaii just to prove to a bunch of asinine morons that he was born in america?

Pablo said:
Um, no. He cannot order the state of Hawaii to violate Hawaiian law.

with republicans, if the president does it it’s not illegal.

Pablo said:
That’s federal, not the State of Hawaii.

Common ground:
we both believe in State’s Rights…

Nationman said:
why would he violate the laws of the state of hawaii just to prove to a bunch of asinine morons that he was born in america?

also, he’s already provided the short form of the certificate and you idiots continue to complain, what if he does get the long form? you start calling it a fake?

skoorbekim said:
Obama has issued signing statements…
POTUS has launched cruise missiles against Libya…

Too ignorant to debate, learn your basics. Separation of power is there for a reason.

Nationman said:
why would he violate the laws of the state of hawaii

He did it in AZ…

skyfet said:
Too ignorant to debate, learn your basics. Separation of power is there for a reason.

Call it intuition, but I bet you are being hypocrital on that one…

skoorbekim said:
He did it in AZ…

yes for a legitmate reason because federal law in that case trumps state law.

Barack Must Go said:
Why not? He goes against settled federal law whenever he feels like doing so.

Excellent point. Obama thumbs his nose at The Constitution constantly, but hides behind Hawaiian law. I guarantee that if Obama wanted the thing produced for inspection, it would be in a minute.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
If Obama were white, would this even be an issue? The answer is no. Enough said.

and that is exactly the whole point of this. what other president had this much attention to his birth certificate? what makes obama different from previous office holders?

It’s hilarious that pubs think this is their strongest case against Obama. What kind of bizarre gotcha moment are dreaming about. There will be no new evidence. The public knows this is a stupid non-issue. And Barrack Obama will be President for four more years.

The statute cited clearly provides that the “registrant” (that’s Obama) may obtain a certified copy of his birth certificate. I don’t know whether that’s different from the COLB, but I assume it is.

As for the assertion that “nobody carries around” their original birth certificate, that’s probably true, since you can only get a certified copy. I’ve got a certified copy of mine. I don’t carry it around (why would I?), but I keep it in a safe place and can produce it when needed.

Nationman said:
yes for a legitmate reason because federal law in that case trumps state law.

Except that it doesn’t, state police can arrest bank robbers (a federal offense) and Rhode Island has the exact same law as AZ…

But that is besides the point…

It’s a good day when you can corner Liberals into defending States Right’s and the Constitution…

skoorbekim said:
Call it intuition, but I bet you are being hypocrital on that one…

So your failure is my fault, thats lame.

skoorbekim said:
Except that it doesn’t, state police can arrest bank robbers (a federal offense) and Rhode Island has the exact same law as AZ… But that is besides the point… It’s a good day when you can corner Liberals into defending States Right’s and the Constitution…

Yes you can arrest bankrobbers but you dont’ set the laws on their punishments. It’s tried in federal court.

The real reason why the muslim prince can’t show his birth certificate from Kenya is because his religion is stated as “SON of Glenn Beck”

=================

That was mockery for all of you dumbsht birfhers. Gawd… what sorry lot you are.

Nationman said:
Yes you can arrest bankrobbers but you dont’ set the laws on their punishments. It’s tried in federal court.

I would LOVE to debate you on this but its off topic…

skyfet said:
So your failure is my fault, thats lame.

I apologize…

skoorbekim said:
I apologize…

Good boy, now go and learn about separations of powers. It’s pretty basic, I did it when I was in School.

Judge Mental said:
The statute cited clearly provides that the “registrant” (that’s Obama) may obtain a certified copy of his birth certificate. I don’t know whether that’s different from the COLB, but I assume it is.

As for the assertion that “nobody carries around” their original birth certificate, that’s probably true, since you can only get a certified copy. I’ve got a certified copy of mine. I don’t carry it around (why would I?), but I keep it in a safe place and can produce it when needed.

No, a COLB is a certified copy.

skoorbekim said:
I would LOVE to debate you on this but its off topic…

so you admit you’re wrong, good for you! I know it’s hard to see past your partisan idiocy but you did a great job.

Nationman said:
so you admit you’re wrong, good for you! I know it’s hard to see past your partisan idiocy but you did a great job.

You’re trying to bait me…
Its just the wrong topic…

ChiliPeppersFan said:
what other president had this much attention to his birth certificate? what makes obama different from previous office holders?

The only time I can remember it being an issue was McCain, as he was born in Panama. When it did become an issue, I don’t recall McCain being secretive about anything. There wasn’t a question regarding other presidents and candidates, as they had a history. We know less about Obama after more than two years in office than we knew about Palin twenty four hours after McCain chose her.

skoorbekim said:
Hypothetical:
If POTUS demanded that it be released would it?

No. They do not release vault copies. They release COLB’s, which are prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding. Says so right on the doc.

skoorbekim said:
He did it in AZ…

No, he sued AZ. He does not have the authority to strike AZ laws. Only the Courts can do that. POTUS cannot.

skyfet said:
Good boy, now go and learn about separations of powers. It’s pretty basic, I did it when I was in School.

I live it…

Mr.Papshmer said:
There wasn’t a question regarding other presidents and candidates, as they had a history.

Actually, there was. Chester A. Arthur was a damned Canuck! Or not.

Pablo said:
No. They do not release vault copies. They release COLB’s, which are prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding. Says so right on the doc. No, he sued AZ. He does not have the authority to strike AZ laws. Only the Courts can do that. POTUS cannot.

Again, off topic… but DOJ intiated the injunction against SB1070…

No, a COLB is a certified copy.

No, it’s a certified document, but it isn’t a copy. It’s a printout of the digitized details.

skoorbekim said:
Again, off topic… but DOJ intiated the injunction against SB1070…

The DoJ requested it. The Court did it.

Mr.Papshmer said:
The only time I can remember it being an issue was McCain, as he was born in Panama. When it did become an issue, I don’t recall McCain being secretive about anything. There wasn’t a question regarding other presidents and candidates, as they had a history. We know less about Obama after more than two years in office than we knew about Palin twenty four hours after McCain chose her.

how has obama been secretive? he’s shown the short form version of the bc? If he shows the long form, will you people actually believe it?

A few people on this thread have asked if Obama *should* release the original, if he had the ability to do so. This is a completely different matter, one that I might cover in another piece, but there are lots of excellent reasons for him not to. The question is somewhat moot, because he can’t, and for all we know, he would do it if he could.

As a journalist, and as a human being, of course I would cover the story if it was released, but personally, I have no great curiosity about the document, beyond its ability to contribute to this story. I’ve also never seen my own original birth certificate, and have no desire to. In each case, I’m confident that the certified copy does what it’s supposed to: accurately reflect what’s on the original record.

Tommy Christopher said:
The question is somewhat moot, because he can’t, and for all we know, he would do it if he could.

Hard to swallow TC…

Tommy Christopher said:
I have no great curiosity about the document, beyond its ability to contribute to this story

Water meet TC’s bucket…

There is no media curiosity with this POTUS…

That is why people are turning against the Fourth Estate…

Nationman said:
how has obama been secretive? he’s shown the short form version of the bc? If he shows the long form, will you people actually believe it?

I for one believe that the bc issue is a distraction. It’s generally accepted that Obama is a natural born citizen, and as long as people are talking about the birth certificate, they’re not talking about his education records, where I believe the most embarrassing and damaging things lie.

Mr.Papshmer said:
his education records, where I believe the most embarrassing and damaging things lie.

Now we’re talkin’…

But eventhough he wants to, I’m sure POTUS does not have the Constitutional power to release those records///

Mr.Papshmer said:
I for one believe that the bc issue is a distraction. It’s generally accepted that Obama is a natural born citizen, and as long as people are talking about the birth certificate, they’re not talking about his education records, where I believe the most embarrassing and damaging things lie.

Yup. I’d like to see those.

skoorbekim said:
Now we’re talkin’…

But eventhough he wants to, I’m sure POTUS does not have the Constitutional power to release those records///

Oh, he can get copies of those, if he doesn’t already have them. But we’re gonna need a leaker for them.

Pablo said:
Oh, he can get copies of those, if he doesn’t already have them. But we’re gonna need a leaker for them.

Too bad TC wouldn’t be interested… His buckets of water are too heavy…

Aigooo…

The birfher “issue” is nothing else but a weak, a cheap shot trying to harm President Obama and the Democrats.

When the gNOpigs finally lose the birfher “issue” then they move to more substantive issues, like Obama’s “college records” and his religious beliefs “20 years under Christian Theology Radical AMERICAN Church” but those didn’t erase his muslimhood.

Or because he used to smoke.

Nothing says “son of satan” than a man smoking in the oval office without a necktie.

skoorbekim said:
Illogical and/or naive… CIA documents are released easier than this hospital record… POTUS can launch missiles, pardon criminals, ignore Federal judicial rulings… but he can’t open a file cabinet in Honolulu? Do you truly think that a phone call to Fukino from the Oval Office could not release the information contained in that record…

My sentence you picked out was basicaly sarcasm. If you read the whole thing you will see i’m totally with you.

It’s always a good bet to question everything Tommy Christopher writes says. He is very clearly a leftie partisan, and that’s his obvious right. Regardless, if it’s about playing cover for John Lewis (D) that was lying about the “N-word” or providing cover for Obama on a multitude of issues.

Question it, go back through he previous posts and be very skeptical.

Steve_27 said:
My sentence you picked out was basicaly sarcasm. If you read the whole thing you will see i’m totally with you.

Sorry Steve, my mistake…

More Liberty5 said:
It’s always a good bet to question everything Tommy Christopher writes says. He is very clearly a leftie partisan, and that’s his obvious right. Regardless, if it’s about playing cover for John Lewis (D) that was lying about the “N-word” or providing cover for Obama on a multitude of issues. Question it, go back through he previous posts and be very skeptical.

Did TC also defend Obama when he claimed that his parents first met at the Selma Marches… 4 years after Obama’s birth?

skoorbekim said:
Sorry Steve, my mistake…

No sweat pal.

KoldysLovesGoldenShowers said:
Aigooo…

The birfher “issue” is nothing else but a weak, a cheap shot trying to harm President Obama and the Democrats.

When the gNOpigs finally lose the birfher “issue” then they move to more substantive issues, like Obama’s “college records” and his religious beliefs “20 years under Christian Theology Radical AMERICAN Church” but those didn’t erase his muslimhood.

Or because he used to smoke.

Nothing says “son of satan” than a man smoking in the oval office without a necktie.

What about while kneeling on a spanking new shag carpet sample you’ve had the Secret Service commandeer from the local DC Home Depot? Nothing says ” son of allah ” more than……… I think I’m the winner at prayer rug, cigarrette, tie………what’s your opinion?

skoorbekim said:
How did Jack Ryan’s divorce papers get released to the press?

Pretty easy answer there.

You should run for office.

Why would anyone argue with your racist platform of stupidity?

Oh shucks

Barack Must Go said:
What about while kneeling on a spanking new shag carpet sample you’ve had the Secret Service commandeer from the local DC Home Depot? Nothing says ” son of allah ” more than……… I think I’m the winner at prayer rug, cigarrette, tie………what’s your opinion?

You should run for office.

Why would anyone argue with your racist platform of stupidity?

Basically, if anyone questions Obama such as Keith Olbermann or Palin, Tommy Christopher goes after them. We can provide link after link after link of such Operation Ass Covering.

KoldysLovesGoldenShowers said:
Aigooo… The birfher “issue” is nothing else but a weak, a cheap shot trying to harm President Obama and the Democrats. When the gNOpigs finally lose the birfher “issue” then they move to more substantive issues, like Obama’s “college records” and his religious beliefs “20 years under Christian Theology Radical AMERICAN Church” but those didn’t erase his muslimhood. Or because he used to smoke. Nothing says “son of satan” than a man smoking in the oval office without a necktie.

No it’s not a weak cheap shot at all. That dont even make sense. If he just produces it or it just goes away with the public general acceptance that it was a non issue, then anyone who harped on it will look like fools.

Now people like you, not capable of real thought, will just shallowly whine that it’s a “cheap shot.” But if you think about it, why take such tremendous political risk if it’s such a silly non issue? Like Obama care, Lybia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Gitmo, stimulus packages, spending and the debt are not real issue’s the right will not be looking to talk about? Is that what your suggesting? The bc comes up because BO has the next election all locked up on these other issues?

LOL!

Anyway, what this means is people concerned about it, right or wrong, are sincere and have conviction. In a day and age when we are at war with an element of a religion that would love to sneak one past us and into the White House, it should only make sense that people with shady backrounds in muslim countries and paracticing islam should at the very least prove that they’re “one of us.” And real leadership would understand this and produce it immediately. But he has shown none of that for any issue so why would we expect it on this one?

Read the following February 2010 article written by Colby Hall. This should tell you a good deal about Mr. Christoher. One of my favorite parts of the article, which does a poor job of trying to prove that Mediaite is unbiased, has the following quote:

“The video clip of the spirited debate between Breitbart and Christopher started pleasantly enough, but somehow devolved into commentary on the state of partisan journalism, mucus, male genitalia, charges of racism and shouts of “I got you!” It wasn’t the most professional journalistic moment ever recorded on video tape, but it was good footage and we decided to publish it, WITH THE DISCLAIMER THAT TOMMY’S THOUGHTS WERE NOT NECESSARILY THOSE OF MEDIAITE(emphasis added).”

To quote Colby Hall:
“The truth is that Tommy IS an unabashed liberal – which is why we like him.”

KoldysLovesGoldenShowers said:
Oh shucks

You should run for office.

Why would anyone argue with your racist platform of stupidity?

Ya got nuthin as usual I see.

WOW!

JUST FKING WOW!

—————————–

In a day and age when we are at war with an element of a religion that would love to sneak one past us and into the White House, it should only make sense that people with shady backrounds in muslim countries and paracticing islam should at the very least prove that they’re “one of us.”

=============================

The dirt on my shoe would be ashamed to slap some sense into you.

Why aren’t you addressing the fact that Obama could have been born on live TV, broadcast to the entire nation and witnessed by the Secretary of Health under Kennedy and he STILL wouldn’t be eligible to be president of the United States? You must have missed this little gem: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/35360
“John Jay, a founding father of the United States and the first chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court under George Washington was concerned by threats from within our republic, and to prevent foreign enemies from taking over as commander-in-chief. He turned to the writings of an international legal expert Emerich de Vattel, author of “The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law Applied to the Conduct and to the Affairs of Nations and of Sovereigns” (The Law of Nations was influenced by the writings of Christian Wolff, a German philosopher and advisor in government affairs).

In Book 1, Chapter XIX, Sec 212 of Vattel’s works, we finally find the following definition of a natural born citizen: “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” From here, we find that this definition was accepted into law, at least for a while. The Supreme Court case in 1971 Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815 emphasized this definition: “the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States.” Obama’s father was NOT a US Citizen but a citizen of Kenya under the jurisdiction of the British Govt. This fact alone makes Obama ineligible to be president. Where is your “debunking” of this?

Barack Must Go said:
Ya got nuthin as usual I see.

And going birfher 2+ years after the BS has been debunked is your idea to win 2012?

skyfet said:
Trump’s credibility is dropping quicker than rain, I don’t know if he’ll be getting his phony program after this moronic smear campaign. He might move it to FOX.

Fox has already given the Donald a reoccurring roll … they love keeping their racists happy.

ellie said:
Fox has already given the Donald a reoccurring roll … they love keeping their racists happy.

Pssst….here is a little secret. They aren’t racist they don’t like his white 1/2 either!

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
TRUMP: Who knows? You’re talking fifty years ago.

What a scuzzball.

Trump also said they did to be able to collect welfare. Even scuzzballs wouldn’t want him in their club.

pinkpanther said:
Pssst….here is a little secret. They aren’t racist they don’t like his white 1/2 either!

Pssst …. here’s a bigger secret. Anyone who would embrace the ‘birther’ movement after all the evidence IS a racist. They just don’t know. Surprise! Most racists aren’t aware of their racism. And Fox IS the channel for racists.

ellie said:
Fox has already given the Donald a reoccurring roll … they love keeping their racists happy.

When is doubt, throw the race card out.

pinkpanther said:
Why aren’t you addressing the fact that Obama could have been born on live TV, broadcast to the entire nation and witnessed by the Secretary of Health under Kennedy and he STILL wouldn’t be eligible to be president of the United States? You must have missed this little gem: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/35360“John Jay, a founding father of the United States and the first chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court under George Washington was concerned by threats from within our republic, and to prevent foreign enemies from taking over as commander-in-chief. He turned to the writings of an international legal expert Emerich de Vattel, author of “The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law Applied to the Conduct and to the Affairs of Nations and of Sovereigns” (The Law of Nations was influenced by the writings of Christian Wolff, a German philosopher and advisor in government affairs). In Book 1, Chapter XIX, Sec 212 of Vattel’s works, we finally find the following definition of a natural born citizen: “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” From here, we find that this definition was accepted into law, at least for a while. The Supreme Court case in 1971 Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815 emphasized this definition: “the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States.” Obama’s father was NOT a US Citizen but a citizen of Kenya under the jurisdiction of the British Govt. This fact alone makes Obama ineligible to be president. Where is your “debunking” of this?

so what you’re saying is you’re ignoring the entirety of the 14th amendment. Good for you.

You can’t be serious

pinkpanther said:
In Book 1, Chapter XIX, Sec 212 of Vattel’s works, we finally find the following definition of a natural born citizen: “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” From here, we find that this definition was accepted into law, at least for a while. The Supreme Court case in 1971 Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815 emphasized this definition: “the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States.” Obama’s father was NOT a US Citizen but a citizen of Kenya under the jurisdiction of the British Govt. This fact alone makes Obama ineligible to be president. Where is your “debunking” of this?

Tell us again when the BRITISH arriving on AMERICA obtained their freedom. Obtained their FREEDOM to be FREE from THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT. ON LAND OWNED BY NATIVE AMERICANS.

That little quote does wonders for Rupert Murdick

KoldysLovesGoldenShowers said:
WOW! JUST FKING WOW! —————————– In a day and age when we are at war with an element of a religion that would love to sneak one past us and into the White House, it should only make sense that people with shady backrounds in muslim countries and paracticing islam should at the very least prove that they’re “one of us.” ============================= The dirt on my shoe would be ashamed to slap some sense into you.

Hey! Where’s my blue box with my name on top? I want credit so quote me right!

How about when I show you recent clips of prominent clerics claiming we will fall to Islam and they’ll do it from within and over a long period of time? Will there be a big old “WOW” then?

Steve_27 said:
Hey! Where’s my blue box with my name on top? I want credit so quote me right! How about when I show you recent clips of prominent clerics claiming we will fall to Islam and they’ll do it from within and over a long period of time? Will there be a big old “WOW” then?

You realize you sound worse than a 911 truther right?

Nationman said:
Rogers v. Bellei

also the case that you were quoting was later contradicted in 1978.

More Liberty5 said:
The video clip of the spirited debate between Breitbart and Christopher

Mr. Ombudsman,
TC thinks that a white person pretending to be a pimp is racist?!?
What color are they supposed to be?
Was Harvey Keitel’s depiction in Taxi Driver racist?!?

KoldysLovesGoldenShowers said:
You can’t be serious

Tell us again when the BRITISH arriving on AMERICA obtained their freedom. Obtained their FREEDOM to be FREE from THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT. ON LAND OWNED BY NATIVE AMERICANS.

That little quote does wonders for Rupert Murdick

Actually, most native Americans didn’t believe in the ownership of land.

skoorbekim said:
Mr. Ombudsman,TC thinks that a white person pretending to be a pimp is racist?!?What color are they supposed to be?Was Harvey Keitel’s depiction in Taxi Driver racist?!?

it’d be more interesting if you actually saw okeefe saying “how could I be a pimp? I’m white!” on fox and friends

skoorbekim said:
If POTUS can wage war he surely has the power to release a hospital record…

This is my favorite part of the ‘birther’ argument. You’d think these “small government, constitutionalists” would be very happy that all men are created equal and even if you are the POTUS you have no more power than any other American citizen. But no …. they think Obama should act like a dictator and bypass the law and force the state of Hawaii release his long form.

Think as a brick comes to mind.

Nationman said:
You realize you sound worse than a 911 truther right?

If I was saying that is whats happening, then yes. Cause I wouldn’t have any evidence. But i’m not. Maybe you jumped on Koldys post without readin my first? Go back and educate yourself, maybe you’ll pull through.

Nationman said:
it’d be more interesting if you actually saw okeefe saying “how could I be a pimp? I’m white!” on fox and friends

How does that exonerate TC?

Nationman said:
so what you’re saying is you’re ignoring the entirety of the 14th amendment. Good for you.

14th applied to ex-slaves…

skoorbekim said:
How does that exonerate TC?

because he’s assuming okeefe is using it as a harmful stereotype, which he is. The quote pretty much proves it.

Barack Must Go said:
The left wing zealots are protecting a possible islamic plant in our White House

I was wrong in my last post …. this is my favorite part of the ‘birthers’ theory. Just for the sheer stupidity of it.

skoorbekim said:
14th applied to ex-slaves…

the language applies to everybody and has for quite some time.

ellie said:
Fox has already given the Donald a reoccurring roll … they love keeping their racists happy.

Seriously, that’s all you’ve got? Racist? Please…

And does it ever get old defending this douche? It was a lot easier to mock birthers when he was polling 80%+, but more than two years later, and the only change we’ve seen is more war, obamacare that most people don’t want, and the recent announcement that terrorist trials will resume at Gitmo more than a year after it closed. Oh, wait, it never did close as he promised, did it? Now that he’s polling about 40%, more and more people are willing to visit the issue of what about his past he’s hiding. You people know he’s hiding something, and the sad part is, you’re willing to whore yourselves out to defend a sham.

Nationman said:
he’s assuming

Never assume because it makes an A#S out of U and ME…
but seriously, that is a flimsy defense… What color are pimps supposed to be? I know what you and TC think…

skoorbekim said:
3) more and more as his polls #’s approach 40%…

Your first two comments were ridiculous but I’d like to see something that supports this. Got anything?

Wow, isn’t this rich??? The most powerful man in the world. He can bomb Iraqis, Afghanis, and Libyans, but he cannot get a copy of his own long form birth certificate? God liberals are dumb.

Nationman said:
the language applies to everybody and has for quite some time.

wrong…
seperate SC cases have applied to Native Americans and Chinese nationals…

Steve_27 said:
If I was saying that is whats happening, then yes. Cause I wouldn’t have any evidence. But i’m not. Maybe you jumped on Koldys post without readin my first? Go back and educate yourself, maybe you’ll pull through.

In a day and age when we are at war with an element of a religion that would love to sneak one past us and into the White House, it should only make sense that people with shady backrounds in muslim countries and paracticing islam should at the very least prove that they’re “one of us.”
how is that not 911 truther talk? Go back to the conspiracy caves where you belong. You also realize that he has been called evil by most radical muslim clerics right? but you’re conspiracy is the one that’s right, the other one is well, just a conspiracy. Keep telling yourself that.

skoorbekim said:
Never assume because it makes an A#S out of U and ME…but seriously, that is a flimsy defense… What color are pimps supposed to be? I know what you and TC think…

And you know what okeefe thinks as well.

ellie said:
Your first two comments were ridiculous but I’d like to see something that supports this. Got anything?

HuffPo approved link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/06/jobapproval-obama_n_726319.html

skoorbekim said:
wrong…seperate SC cases have applied to Native Americans and Chinese nationals…

yes they applied the amendment to foreignors in the case the United States v. Wong Kim Ark, what is your point?

Hey, Tommy Christopher, cut the B.S.

Just tell your boss to “cough up” his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Because before he can place his name on the ballot in many states next year, he’s gonna have to do it anyway…

Only 21 more months ’til we evict Obama from the Oval Office & cancel “Amateur Hour” at the White House.

NOBAMA 2012

“Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink.” P.J.O’Rourke

NOBAMA 2012 said:
Hey, Tommy Christopher, cut the B.S. Just tell your boss to “cough up” his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Because before he can place his name on the ballot in many states next year, he’s gonna have to do it anyway… Only 21 more months ’til we evict Obama from the Oval Office & cancel “Amateur Hour” at the White House. NOBAMA 2012 “Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink.” P.J.O’Rourke

i think he has coughed it up, you just don’t accept it.

ellie said:
I was wrong in my last post …. this is my favorite part of the ‘birthers’ theory. Just for the sheer stupidity of it.

I was actually going for a comepletely different response. Talk among yourselves, whip yourselves into a frenzy, THEN get back to me….. please?

Nationman said:
In a day and age when we are at war with an element of a religion that would love to sneak one past us and into the White House, it should only make sense that people with shady backrounds in muslim countries and paracticing islam should at the very least prove that they’re “one of us.”how is that not 911 truther talk? Go back to the conspiracy caves where you belong. You also realize that he has been called evil by most radical muslim clerics right? but you’re conspiracy is the one that’s right, the other one is well, just a conspiracy. Keep telling yourself that.

Yes, thats the one thank you. It’s showing legit concern over a potential problem and our leaders lack of leadership in calming the people who he is supposed to be looking to protect. Nowhere does it say BO is a stealth islamic extremist and has successfully snuck in and is planning to destroy us.

The truthers were idiots because, without any proof, they were saying bluntly, as if gospel, that Bush blew up the wtc. I never said BO is a terrorist that has secret evil plans for us. Just the obvious, see above.

Read slower maybe?

More Liberty5 said:
Actually, most native Americans didn’t believe in the ownership of land.

But the concept of OWNERSHIP of land applies to Barack Obama, because he is BLACK and of course he was not born in Hawaii, another piece of land stolen from the natives, but who cares, Barack Obama was born in Kenya, another piece of land stolen by the Brits, but the Flundin Fathers where NOT Brits. They were REAL AMERICANS.

Oh, did I forget to mention how religious belief is NOT a CITIZENSHIP requirement for any children BORN on stolen soil.

You idiot birfhers would be screaming to Jose and Maria to go back in the middle of the dessert.

Something for the intrepid investigator, Tommy Christopher:

Adams has stated in the past that he discounts the validity of the “short form” version of the Hawaiian birth record commonly issued to applicants which is called a “Certification of Live Birth”, the same document long attributed as the sole evidence used to proclaim Obama’s eligibility to occupy the White House. Until 2009, the Department of Hawaiian Homelands outright rejected this document as a primary form of identification for confirming native Hawaiian citizenship, let alone American natural born citizenship.

Many officials, including Adams, explicitly have said the short-form Certification of Live Birth is not an authoritative form of documentation proving that Obama was born in Hawaii.

“My basic assumption is that he wasn’t born there,” Adams continued in his interview with Dr. Corsi,

“Certifications of Live Birth were given to people who were born at home, or to people who were born overseas and whose parents brought them back to the islands. If his parents were U.S. citizens, or if one parent was a U.S. citizen, as was the case with Obama, the family would apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate when the parents came back from overseas. That’s normally how you would have gotten on [a Certification of Live Birth] in the 1960s.”

Posted by Penbrook One at 9:24 PM

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/third-hawaiian-official-denies.html

But don’t hold your breath! His birth certificate is as settled as the junk science of man-made global warming.

Screw you Tommy!! Matt Schneider and I know for a fact Barry Mau Mau Hussein-Kenya wasn’t born in this country!!!!!!!! I mean just look at him… he’s not like us… he’s not a “real” American!!!

Seriously Tommy, great stuff. As usual, you’re the only one worth a shit on this website. I would say keep it up, but I want these losers to ride this “real” American crap to a 45 state pounding in 2012…… so keep this quiet please!!

Pablo said:
One little quibble here. Obama could release the original, if he had a copy of it. The fact that he doesn’t have it is meaningless. I don’t have my original either, nor can I get the original from the state. All I have and all I can produce is the equivalent of Obama’s COLB. That document is legal proof of my birth and it is acceptable as such in any situation I might need to prove that fact.

Dude was born in Hawaii, period. Buy there may be something on there that he doesn’t want people to see, and it isn’t any mention of religion. The Unified Theory of Barack Obama explains it. :)

All in all, this is a pretty good collection of the facts of the matter, Tommy. You been taking lessons?

Conjoined twins separated at birth and pulling off a scam to be one person. Really? REALLY?

“But what if he were twins? One of them (Candidate Obama) could sit in an adjoining room writing up the answers from an open book while the other (President Obama) walked back and forth without arousing the proctors’ suspicions. Maybe they even took turns each semester, with one doping up and having fun while the other worked. Perhaps that explains how he can claim he attended Columbia for two years when that school has records of him being there for only 9 months. One twin just forgot to sign in the year when it was his turn.”

You wing-nuts need professional help.

Nationman said:
i think he has coughed it up, you just don’t accept it.

R U related to Obozo or just on the payroll? LMAO

Obamabots voted for Obama to prove they’re not prejudiced.
Who will Obamabots vote for next time to prove they’re not stupid.

NOBAMA 2012

“Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink.” P.J.O’Rourke

Wow, we have just as many Hawaii officials denying that a long form exists as those that say it does:

Third Hawaiian Official Denies Existence of Birth Certificate: ‘Obama Not Born In Hawaii’
Former Hawaiian Senior Elections Clerk, Tim Adams, Provides Sworn Affidavit Indicating Obama was Not Born In Hawaii – And Joins Hawaiian Governor and Former DPH Chairman, Brian Schatz, As List of Eyewitnesses To Shocking Roster of Mounting Evidence Against Obama Grows

I mean, even the fraud Algore could get a “consensus” on “settled science” !

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/third-hawaiian-official-denies.html

Nationman said:
yes they applied the amendment to foreignors in the case the United States v. Wong Kim Ark, what is your point?

Wong Kim Ark was in the US legally and owned land in the US legally…

My point is in response to:
“Nationman said:
the language applies to everybody and has for quite some time.”

Jaurez said:
Black or white Obama will go down as the worst, ever!

Actually, history will treat Obama very well. The TP racists … not so much.

KoldysLovesGoldenShowers said:
But the concept of OWNERSHIP of land applies to Barack Obama, because he is BLACK and of course he was not born in Hawaii, another piece of land stolen from the natives, but who cares, Barack Obama was born in Kenya, another piece of land stolen by the Brits, but the Flundin Fathers where NOT Brits. They were REAL AMERICANS.

Oh, did I forget to mention how religious belief is NOT a CITIZENSHIP requirement for any children BORN on stolen soil.

You idiot birfhers would be screaming to Jose and Maria to go back in the middle of the dessert.

You really aren’t that intelligent are you? Are you aware that warfare, slavery and physical domination of land is not a “white thing?” Are you aware that people and cultures, regardless of origin kill and enslave others – and take land. From current day Africans in the Sudan, to the Aztecs, Romans, Brits, Gauls, Moors, Mayans to Japanese slavery and land occupation is not a trait that discriminates. If anything, it proves that powerful and blood thirsty governments should always be questioned.

ellie said:
Actually, history will treat Obama very well. The TP racists … not so much.

LOL…I know you are soooooo right. I mean how racist is it to want to balance a budget. Clearly these tea-baggers are closet KKK murders for thinking that $14.3 trillion in debt is too much.

(Sarcasm)

Idiot

skoorbekim said:
drive-by media…

Ah, a ditto-head.

More Liberty5 said:
You really aren’t that intelligent are you? Are you aware that warfare, slavery and physical domination of land is not a “white thing?” Are you aware that people and cultures, regardless of origin kill and enslave others – and take land. From current day Africans in the Sudan, to the Aztecs, Romans, Brits, Gauls, Moors, Mayans to Japanese slavery and land occupation is not a trait that discriminates. If anything, it proves that powerful and blood thirsty governments should always be questioned.

You mean like the USA?

Why do you hate America?

KoldysLovesGoldenShowers said:
You mean like the USA?

Why do you hate America?

Why does your boy and his followers want to fundamentally transform it?

ndanielson said:
Why does your boy and his followers want to fundamentally transform it?

I believe in Jesus.

Do you?

KoldysLovesGoldenShowers said:
I believe in Jesus.

Do you?

While having your golden showers???

KoldysLovesGoldenShowers said:
You mean like the USA?

Why do you hate America?

Who said I hated America? An yes like the USA.

What I don’t like is the US government which has consecutively over stepped it’s authority such as land grabs without due process, thrown Japanese Americans in internment camps, forcing men to sign up for the draft, bailing out corporations…..

skoorbekim said:
Hypothetical:
If POTUS demanded that it be released would it?

Perhaps you’d be happier in a country with a dictator.

ndanielson said:
While having your golden showers???

Get in line, idiot. You didn’t get the joke.

More Liberty5 said:
Who said I hated America? An yes like the USA.

What I don’t like is the US government which has consecutively over stepped it’s authority such as land grabs without due process, thrown Japanese Americans in internment camps, forcing men to sign up for the draft, bailing out corporations…..

But somehow you still like the USA.

The gNOpig USA. That is what you like.

ellie said:
Perhaps you’d be happier in a country with a dictator.

A dictator could take over car manufacturing, dealerships, student loans, healthcare, take over the internet, buy up more and more federal land, block the US from developing its own energy, put anyone he wants to into the military, hide his past, vacation all the time, have a loving and adoring press…sheep, never pass a budget, call half of his country racists and the enemy, have a wife that hates the country that existed before him, a preacher that believes that the black race is superior…

KoldysLovesGoldenShowers said:
But somehow you still like the USA.

The gNOpig USA. That is what you like.

Who says I’m currently in the USA? Besides, if I don’t agree with the YS government I somehow should not protest and voice my opinion? I must “get out?” Wow….that’s real tolerant.

ellie said:
Perhaps you’d be happier in a country with a dictator.

Liberals attack the questioner instead of answering the questions…

Cue the next Liberal tidbit from Fox and Friends…

ellie said:
Perhaps you’d be happier in a country with a dictator.

I see your cheering squad has shown up! The gNOpig clown. What a joke. Is he one of the union family you are so proud of? Kels? LOL.

ellie said:
Conjoined twins separated at birth and pulling off a scam to be one person. Really? REALLY?

“But what if he were twins? One of them (Candidate Obama) could sit in an adjoining room writing up the answers from an open book while the other (President Obama) walked back and forth without arousing the proctors’ suspicions. Maybe they even took turns each semester, with one doping up and having fun while the other worked. Perhaps that explains how he can claim he attended Columbia for two years when that school has records of him being there for only 9 months. One twin just forgot to sign in the year when it was his turn.”

You wing-nuts need professional help.

No, not really. The author, and Pablo, it seems, are joking.

More Liberty5 said:
Who says I’m currently in the USA? Besides, if I don’t agree with the YS government I somehow should not protest and voice my opinion? I must “get out?” Wow….that’s real tolerant.

You do speak like a ‘murkan. With some sht in your avatar pretending to look like a floundering birfher.

KoldysLovesGoldenShowers said:
Nothing says “son of satan” than a man smoking in the oval office without a necktie.

I remember the outrage over Obama not wearing his suit jacket in the Oval office. Bush would never disrespect the office like that. Neither would Saint Ronnie or any other president. Except photos were produced with every other 20th century president doing just that. OH THE ANGST!

KoldysLovesGoldenShowers said:
You do speak like a ‘murkan. With some sht in your avatar pretending to look like a floundering birfher.

You have your own cutesy language, too? Your government-education filled you with such smug self-esteem that government is your only savior! And that America owes you something! That was their intention, after all. Government dependent sheep means votes for government. Look how far all that self-esteem has gotten you, you know how to whine for more free cheese is all.

It’s almost as if this was written with you in mind, Tommy:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-philbin/2011/04/11/msnbcs-uncivil-war-right

More Liberty5 said:
Regardless, if it’s about playing cover for John Lewis (D) that was lying about the “N-word”

Do you have any evidence for this assertion?

KoldysLovesGoldenShowers said:
You do speak like a ‘murkan. With some sht in your avatar pretending to look like a floundering birfher.

You are obviously not very intelligent, and you act like a child. If you want to have a reasonable debate/ conversation we can do that. Otherwise I’m done talking to you.

ellie said:
Do you have any evidence for this assertion?

A hundred thousand dollar reward for any shred of evidence that still remains unclaimed, is a hundred thousand pieces of evidence. Sheep.

More Liberty5 said:
You are obviously not very intelligent, and you act like a child. If you want to have a reasonable debate/ conversation we can do that. Otherwise I’m done talking to you.

Oh, no! NO! NO! NO! PLEASE!

OOOOOH PLEASE!

Don’t talk to me anymore! NOOOOO!

More Liberty5 said:
When is doubt, throw the race card out.

Then let me be clear …. there is NO doubt.

ellie said:
Do you have any evidence for this assertion?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/andrew-breitbarts-video-evidence-of-lying-congressmen-is-anything-but/

How’s this for starters.

To quote Colby Hall:
“The truth is that Tommy IS an unabashed liberal – which is why we like him.”

skoorbekim said:
TC thinks that a white person pretending to be a pimp is racist?!?

God you are thick. It’s the stereotypical (70′s movie) black pimp outfit O’Keefe wore that made it racist.

ellie said:
Do you have any evidence for this assertion?

The burden of proof rests with the accuser…
A reward was offered for evidence…
The most interesting thing about that accusation is that the AP released the story 40 minutes after it supposedly occurred… 40 minutes for Lewis to call over an AP report, the AP reporter to hear Lewis, the AP reporter to write the story, the AP to post the reporter’s story… 40 minutes…
It never happened…

ellie said:
God you are thick. It’s the stereotypical (70’s movie) black pimp outfit O’Keefe wore that made it racist.

Have you seen Taxi Driver? Bachelor Party? Have you ever been or seen a Disco Party?
I think it is racist to associate blacks with pimps…

ellie said:
Perhaps you’d be happier in a country with a dictator.

We kinda have that now. When the guy can declare war on Libya and commit the military to operations with zero input from congress, that pretty much defines a dictator.

skoorbekim said:
It never happened…

It was supposedly chanted 15 times, not 12, not 13 not 14 and not 16 but 15 times. There was no evidence.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Seriously, that’s all you’ve got? Racist? Please…

Fox is a racist channel that supports racism. Need proof …. just go to their Fox Nation and read all the racist comments.

ellie said:
God you are thick. It’s the stereotypical (70’s movie) black pimp outfit O’Keefe wore that made it racist.

Google “Pimp Costumes”

are those costume makers racist…
or are the people that associate pimps with blacks the racists?

ellie said:
God you are thick. It’s the stereotypical (70’s movie) black pimp outfit O’Keefe wore that made it racist.

You think that’s what did it? Cute. If he were dressed as ballerina outfit, Tommy would find a way to call that racist. That’s what he (and the rest of the left) does. That’s all they got.

It’s just another example of Tommy equating something with black people because that’s how his mind works. He sees a pimp costume and things “black person”. Normal people see a pimp costume & think “pimp” or “bahahaha”. I mean, that pimp costume looked like it came from the Seinfeld set. All that was missing was the cane.

More Liberty5 said:
It was supposedly chanted 15 times, not 12, not 13 not 14 and not 16 but 15 times. There was no evidence.

That story hit the airwaves 40 minutes after it supposedly happened…
impossible…

ndanielson said:
Wow, isn’t this rich??? The most powerful man in the world. He can bomb Iraqis, Afghanis, and Libyans, but he cannot get a copy of his own long form birth certificate? God liberals are dumb.

It’s the law. I know you would rather our POTUS act like a dictator and bypass state law … but the rest of us like it this way.

ellie said:
Fox is a racist channel that supports racism. Need proof …. just go to their Fox Nation and read all the racist comments.

Are you saying if a comments on a website is proof of racism? Is that the clincher?

“What if cracker was used?”
Or how about the N-word by hispanics on a pre-dominantly hispanic website?

ellie said:
Fox is a racist channel that supports racism. Need proof …. just go to their Fox Nation and read all the racist comments.

Ellie is a racist wingnut that supports stereotyping black people. Need proof? Just read her comments. She thinks only black people dress in funny-looking pimp costumes. Why do you associate pimps with black people, Ellie? Is that how your parents raised you or did you develop those thoughts on your own?

skoorbekim said:
HuffPo approved link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/06/jobapproval-obama_n_726319.html

Thanks.

Barack Must Go said:
I was actually going for a comepletely different response. Talk among yourselves, whip yourselves into a frenzy, THEN get back to me….. please?

Love your link to the Obama is was a conjoined twin separated at birth and operating in the world as one person. Can’t get much better than that.

ellie said:
It’s the law. I know you would rather our POTUS act like a dictator and bypass state law … but the rest of us like it this way.

Tell that to the GM bondholders…

ellie said:
God you are thick. It’s the stereotypical (70’s movie) black pimp outfit O’Keefe wore that made it racist.

So, according to liberals, a white guy pretending to be a pimp is racist, because the accepted stereotype is that only black guys can wear a pimp suit and act like a pimp. Nice…

NOBAMA 2012 said:
Obamabots voted for Obama to prove they’re not prejudiced.

Good God this is such a racist remark. I’m betting you don’t know it tho.

lonestar77 said:
It’s just another example of Tommy equating something with black people because that’s how his mind works. He sees a pimp costume and things “black person”. Normal people see a pimp costume & think “pimp” or “bahahaha”. I mean, that pimp costume looked like it came from the Seinfeld set. All that was missing was the cane.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. White guilt is based on racism. These people who see racism everywhere feel that way because they view the world as a racist. They feel guilty at their own bigotry so they over compensate for their own hate. They are so scared that people will find out their true beliefs so they call everyone else a racist.

Many of these people don’t believe that various groups (insert protected group identity) can make it on their own, more racist feelings. In their white guilt view, the “disadvantaged” group, can only make it with help from rich liberal white people or the government.

More Liberty5 said:
LOL…I know you are soooooo right. I mean how racist is it to want to balance a budget. Clearly these tea-baggers are closet KKK murders for thinking that $14.3 trillion in debt is too much.

(Sarcasm)

Idiot

No. There racists because they say racist things. Go spend some time on Fox Nation if you don’t believe me.

Without putting oneself in the birther camp, it still says something that Christopher would with an uncritical eye relay this exchange between the State of Hawaii and the most powerful man in the free world as though Obama does not have the power to request his own birth certificate be released. The reason the issue has not died is because there is always an air of lack of forthrightness that accompanies anything regarding Obama’s past. Considering in the last two elections we knew so much personal information about all candidates, Obama by comparison comes off as one who is trying to hide something. And it’s not like there is no foundation for suspicion considering how he completely mischaracterized the level of friendship with people such as William Ayres and Jeremiah Wright.

When one considers the amount of demonstrable mallarkey Lefties will believe about GOPers such as Cheney and Bush, Florida 2000, Bush Sr in an SR-71, and Halliburton and Big Oil and such, is it really a surprise that this issue rises zombie like every few months?

M Colins said:
Without putting oneself in the birther camp, it still says something that Christopher would with an uncritical eye

Woodward and Bernstein he ain’t…

ndanielson said:
I see your cheering squad has shown up! The gNOpig clown. What a joke. Is he one of the union family you are so proud of? Kels? LOL.

Child.

Tommy, you forgot to knock down the “Obama is Malcolm X’s son believers.

ellie said:
Love your link to the Obama is was a conjoined twin separated at birth and operating in the world as one person. Can’t get much better than that.

Good God, that is an extra helping of loony.

Tommy Christopher said:
No, not really. The author, and Pablo, it seems, are joking.

They make that really difficult to distinguish.

ellie said:
Fox is a racist channel that supports racism. Need proof …. just go to their Fox Nation and read all the racist comments.

and racist comments are made at mediaite, does that make mediaite racist?

ellie said:
Good God this is such a racist remark.

You’re a pathetic old lady. I’ve seen you call anybody who disagrees with you a racist. You’re a sad old bag, you know that? Your boy could show his birth cert any time he wants, but you jump to equating that with a love of dictators. He and his racist AG don’t bother you at all, princess race-card? Him flipping off GM shareholders isn’t breaking the law, race clown? Pathetic sheep.

ndanielson said:
A hundred thousand dollar reward for any shred of evidence that still remains unclaimed, is a hundred thousand pieces of evidence. Sheep.

wow … and I’m the sheep. HA!

ellie said:
wow … and I’m the sheep. HA!

and you have proof it did happen?

ellie said:
No. There racists because they say racist things. Go spend some time on Fox Nation if you don’t believe me.

What do comments on some website have to do with the overall belief that movement? That makes no sense. Anyone can log on to a website, claim to be some group, make distasteful comments in order to discredit others.
Similar to this guy:
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Black-man-charged-with-sending-KKK-threats-in-Illinois-119533224.html

“A 28-year-old African-American man has been charged with sending threats signed from the KKK to officials in the southern Illinois community of O’Fallon.”

ellie said:
No. There racists because they say racist things. Go spend some time on Fox Nation if you don’t believe me.

Bring us some links, race-queen.

More Liberty5 said:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/andrew-breitbarts-video-evidence-of-lying-congressmen-is-anything-but/

How’s this for starters.

Thanks for helping me make my case. :)

More Liberty5 said:
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. White guilt is based on racism. These people who see racism everywhere feel that way because they view the world as a racist. They feel guilty at their own bigotry so they over compensate for their own hate. They are so scared that people will find out their true beliefs so they call everyone else a racist.

Many of these people don’t believe that various groups (insert protected group identity) can make it on their own, more racist feelings. In their white guilt view, the “disadvantaged” group, can only make it with help from rich liberal white people or the government.

Yeah, to people like Matthews & Tommy, everything is viewed through a prism of race. When I think “Obama”, I think 1) liberal 2) President. Tommy, Matthews, etc. think 1) Black 2) Black 3) Disadvantaged 4) Black President

Most people who saw the “pimp” costume just thought it was a funny looking costume. But, not Tommy. He thinks “black”. It’s insane. They need to sort through their own obvious bigotry before going after someone else’s.

cjd ohio 1 said:
and racist comments are made at mediaite, does that make mediaite racist?

I haven’t seen anything yet, although I haven’t been here long. I used to belong to RedState, for the entertainment value, and they would debate quite honestly at times. And cede points when obvious. FoxNation though….bad actors, really rabid at times.

skoorbekim said:
Have you seen Taxi Driver? Bachelor Party? Have you ever been or seen a Disco Party?
I think it is racist to associate blacks with pimps…

Then why did O’Keefe dress like a stereotypical black pimp?

ellie said:
Thanks for helping me make my case. :)

Actually I disproved your case. There is a significant portion of our society that gains from perpetuating racist claims.

ellie said:
Then why did O’Keefe dress like a stereotypical black pimp?

The question is, why do you assume a pimp is black.

ndanielson said:
You’re a pathetic old lady

ellie is almost certainly some forty something fat guy who pretends to be a chick on the Internet. People on facebook with single name monikers and no photo usually fit into the group of people wishing to remain anonymous. I can’t visit facebook while here at work, and I may be wrong, but the odds are with me.

skoorbekim said:
Google “Pimp Costumes”

are those costume makers racist…
or are the people that associate pimps with blacks the racists?

If they’re made to look like the stereotypical black pimp the the makers have made racists costumes.
Plus O’Keefe said he couldn’t be a pimp because he is white.

ellie said:
Then why did O’Keefe dress like a stereotypical black pimp?

Why did the ACORN worker set up a tax shelter for a child prostitution ring…
No, no, no Liberals want to focus on what O’keefe was wearing…

ellie said:
wow … and I’m the sheep. HA!

That has been established, yes. You, nor the accuser have offered ANY proof, but you buy into it because you want to, sheep. In this age of blackberries and hand held video, and not ONE PIECE of evidence, but the brilliant race queen ellen carey rowe is a kool-aid drinker who buys the racist clown’s word??? Pathetic. Lewis never proved he was called anything. I call him a liar and a racist, and he’s in your party.

Glen said:
I haven’t seen anything yet, although I haven’t been here long. I used to belong to RedState, for the entertainment value, and they would debate quite honestly at times. And cede points when obvious. FoxNation though….bad actors, really rabid at times.

never been to the site, just dont like generalizations

ellie said:
Plus O’Keefe said he couldn’t be a pimp because he is white.

Two people; one is actively helping a child prostitution ring, the other is wearing a pimp costume…
the Liberal only sees the cheap polyester…
we’re way off topic…
I’m gone…

If Obama were not hiding something, he would show his Long Form Birth Certificate.

You simply do not hide something when you have nothing to hide .

Hard logic for single brain cell progressives to grasp.

Mr.Papshmer said:
ellie is almost certainly some forty something fat guy who pretends to be a chick on the Internet. People on facebook with single name monikers and no photo usually fit into the group of people wishing to remain anonymous. I can’t visit facebook while here at work, and I may be wrong, but the odds are with me.

Actually her name is Ellen Carey R. I didn’t include the full last name, but she does appear to be in her 60s.

More Liberty5 said:
Actually her name is Ellen Carey R. I didn’t include the full last name, but she does appear to be in her 60s.

My mistake, but, how do you reach your sixties without ever having opened your eyes?

Mr.Papshmer said:
ellie is almost certainly some forty something fat guy who pretends to be a chick on the Internet. People on facebook with single name monikers and no photo usually fit into the group of people wishing to remain anonymous. I can’t visit facebook while here at work, and I may be wrong, but the odds are with me.

The facebook link looks legit. A B&W pic of a child, and her friends include the Koldys clown, Joseph Glackin, and FoxNewsLies. She bleats here under (at least) the names Ellen Carey Rowe and ellie. She appears to be 65ish as she graduated high school in 64…An alcohol counselor by trade. Her clients were all probably court ordered, which puts her on the government teat.

More Liberty5 said:
re you saying if a comments on a website is proof of racism? Is that the clincher?

“What if cracker was used?”
Or how about the N-word by hispanics on a pre-dominantly hispanic website?

Yes I am saying if you support a site and you call yourself a news agency then you have an obligation to either remove racist comments from the site or remove your support. Doesn’t really matter tho since Fox has racist hosts. FN has posts calling for Obama to be lynched on the WH lawn. AND it has moderators who allow these types of comments to remain.

lonestar77 said:
Ellie is a racist wingnut that supports stereotyping black people. Need proof? Just read her comments. She thinks only black people dress in funny-looking pimp costumes. Why do you associate pimps with black people, Ellie? Is that how your parents raised you or did you develop those thoughts on your own?

Won’t work but nice try anyway.

ndanielson said:
A B&W pic of a child, and her friends include the Koldys clown, Joseph Glackin, and FoxNewsLies.

In other words, a bat with no life.

HostileLogic said:
If Obama were not hiding something, he would show his Long Form Birth Certificate.

You simply do not hide something when you have nothing to hide .

Hard logic for single brain cell progressives to grasp.

Yes, well the whole purpose of this Tommy Christopher exercise, in 0bama worship/defence, is to show that he CANNOT SHOW IT even if he WANTED TO, don’t you know??? As some law now exists that prevents him from showing it. And we would all support dictators to think 0bama should “break” that law! Just ask ellie!

Mr.Papshmer said:
So, according to liberals, a white guy pretending to be a pimp is racist, because the accepted stereotype is that only black guys can wear a pimp suit and act like a pimp. Nice…

No a white guy wearing a stereotypical black pimp costume is racist.

ellie said:
Yes I am saying if you support a site and you call yourself a news agency then you have an obligation to either remove racist comments from the site or remove your support. Doesn’t really matter tho since Fox has racist hosts. FN has posts calling for Obama to be lynched on the WH lawn. AND it has moderators who allow these types of comments to remain.

and you are supporting it here lol, and i see your free spech has limits that you apply to others lol

More Liberty5 said:
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. White guilt is based on racism. These people who see racism everywhere feel that way because they view the world as a racist. They feel guilty at their own bigotry so they over compensate for their own hate. They are so scared that people will find out their true beliefs so they call everyone else a racist.

Many of these people don’t believe that various groups (insert protected group identity) can make it on their own, more racist feelings. In their white guilt view, the “disadvantaged” group, can only make it with help from rich liberal white people or the government.

What a steaming pile of racist rationalization.

ellie said:
Yes I am saying if you support a site and you call yourself a news agency then you have an obligation to either remove racist comments from the site or remove your support. Doesn’t really matter tho since Fox has racist hosts. FN has posts calling for Obama to be lynched on the WH lawn. AND it has moderators who allow these types of comments to remain.

What? Private companies have no obligation to do anything.

But the fact here is, you only have racism in your life. You hold on to it because it’s a safety net. It’s how you explain everything – good and bad. It’s how you view the world since you are obviously the racist.

You see, it’s about having something to blame. Instead of personal responsibility you favor victimization. If racism is everywhere, I guess than (insert victim) is not responsible for their actions.

It’s actually rather sad, but as an older person your racist ways are on the way out.

cjd ohio 1 said:
and racist comments are made at mediaite, does that make mediaite racist?

No but Mediaite is not a “news agency” as Fox claims to be. There is a different standard. And I imagine Mediaite would remove posts calling for an Obama lynching.

ellie said:
What a steaming pile of racist rationalization.

Hey, ellie, how do you rationalize 0bama stealing from bondholders at GM to pay off the UAW? Is that law one 0bama can break and still be okay with you, race-queen? How about not supporting existing law? Federal immigration law, and voter intimidation laws???

ellie said:
What a steaming pile of racist rationalization.

Thank you for proving my point. Instead of debating and discussing the issue you just throw out “racist” claims. It’s an easy goto for people of a certain generation.

cjd ohio 1 said:
and you have proof it did happen?

No but I’m not calling anyone a liar either.

ellie said:
No but I’m not calling anyone a liar either.

But you sure call anyone a racist, huh?

ellie said:
No but Mediaite is not a “news agency” as Fox claims to be. There is a different standard. And I imagine Mediaite would remove posts calling for an Obama lynching.

got different standard here, means that can lie, tell the truth whatever they want got it. and by the way free of speech is a right, freedom from being offended is not

ndanielson said:
But you sure call anyone a racist, huh?

It’s easier to call someone a racist. Racism is apparently fairly subjective. Lying on the other hand has a harder burden of proof.

More Liberty5 said:
What do comments on some website have to do with the overall belief that movement? That makes no sense. Anyone can log on to a website, claim to be some group, make distasteful comments in order to discredit others.

It the fact that they have moderators who let the comments stand that make the site racist. As a news agency Fox has an obligation to change the tone or remove support.

http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Black-man-charged-with-sending-KKK-threats-in-Illinois-119533224.html

As I stated earlier, various groups have a lot to gain by spewing the racism fear game. Just read about this guy in the above link.

ellie said:
No a white guy wearing a stereotypical black pimp costume is racist.

According to you, because that the racist paradigm you live in. Most people aren’t racist, and so aren’t like you. This is the trap that so many progressives find themselves in, they’re racist, and it doesn’t register that other people aren’t. Conservatives, over the years, have accepted that liberals have an entirely different world view, we’ve grown up with network news pushing the liberal agenda, and recognize that most libs simply think differently, and generally speaking, are racists who deal with their racism by projection and deflection. Until Limbaugh began the conservative talk show phenomenon, and later with the addition of Fox News, liberals had never been challenged to think critically, and as they’d never seen any dissension in the news media to the accepted liberal paradigm. This is why progs can attend social events, spew their idiocy, and most people will nod their heads or whatever, while at the same time thinking, “what a retarded douche.” :)

ndanielson said:
Bring us some links, race-queen.

Nope. Go to the site and read the posts. I guarantee it won’t take long for you to find plenty of evidence. Comparing Michele Obama to an ape, calling for lynchings on the WH lawn.

ellie said:
It the fact that they have moderators who let the comments stand that make the site racist. As a news agency Fox has an obligation to change the tone or remove support.

LOL….you just won’t let go of the racism fear card will you. It’s warm, makes you feel good. The sad part is, fear mongers like yourself us it so much that when an actual real case of racism comes up people won’t take it as seriously.

More Liberty5 said:
The question is, why do you assume a pimp is black.

I didn’t say A pimp is black and please don’t put words in my mouth as deflection.

ellie said:
Nope. Go to the site and read the posts. I guarantee it won’t take long for you to find plenty of evidence. Comparing Michele Obama to an ape, calling for lynchings on the WH lawn.

LOL…of course not. Of course you won’t provide any links. What I’m curious about is why you go on that racist site. Is it because you yourself maybe write some of those comments to further the racist/ racism ideals?

ellie said:
I didn’t say A pimp is black and please don’t put words in my mouth as deflection.

Um…you basically claimed that Okeefe was impersonating a black man when he dressed up like some pimp. AKA…your’re a racist.

skoorbekim said:
Why did the ACORN worker set up a tax shelter for a child prostitution ring…
No, no, no Liberals want to focus on what O’keefe was wearing…

This is the fruit loop point where I drop out of the conversation. O’Keefe has been debunked and his ACORN videos and claims a lie. But no one can convince the true believers.

ndanielson said:
An alcohol counselor by trade. Her clients were all probably court ordered, which puts her on the government teat.

Evidence of this claim please.

ellie said:
This is the fruit loop point where I drop out of the conversation. O’Keefe has been debunked and his ACORN videos and claims a lie. But no one can convince the true believers.

Actually, ACORN just pleaded guilty to voter registration fraud in Nevada the other day. You might want to convince one of the guys that rolling over ACORN.

More Liberty5 said:
It’s easier to call someone a racist. Racism is apparently fairly subjective. Lying on the other hand has a harder burden of proof.

0bama is definitely a liar, he lied about every campaign promise. His stance on DOMA and voter intimidation laws show that he lied when he swore to uphold the Constitution. I wonder if that bothers the race queen. He broke contracts with GM bondholders, I wonder if breaking the law there bothers the race queen.

Barack Hussein Obama is an UNNATURAL born citizen.

cjd ohio 1 said:
and you are supporting it here lol, and i see your free spech has limits that you apply to others lol

Glad you’re willing to acknowledge this site has racist comments. That progress at least.

ellie said:
Evidence of this claim please.

not a claim, he said probably

ellie said:
Glad you’re willing to acknowledge this site has racist comments. That progress at least.

i know it does, from both sides and your point

ellie said:
Evidence of this claim please.

Since when does evidence matter to you? You buy into 0bama’s birth, and allegations against the TP leveled by Lewis without evidence??? Wow, you have shifting standards don’t you? Like all liberal sheep.

More Liberty5 said:
LOL…of course not. Of course you won’t provide any links. What I’m curious about is why you go on that racist site. Is it because you yourself maybe write some of those comments to further the racist/ racism ideals?

I don’t go there anymore. When I did it was only on occasion and then I couldn’t last more than a few mins. before I left.

I’ll say this … I expected this reaction here by bringing it up. I also suspect there are a few of you here who post on that site too.

More Liberty5 said:
LOL…of course not. Of course you won’t provide any links. What I’m curious about is why you go on that racist site. Is it because you yourself maybe write some of those comments to further the racist/ racism ideals?

What a tool.

More Liberty5 said:
Um…you basically claimed that Okeefe was impersonating a black man when he dressed up like some pimp. AKA…your’re a racist.

Whatever gets you through the night I guess. :)

ellie said:
What a tool.

You liberals rely on government for your very existence and you call someone else a tool?! That’s rich, race queen.

ellie said:
I don’t go there anymore. When I did it was only on occasion and then I couldn’t last more than a few mins. before I left.

I’ll say this … I expected this reaction here by bringing it up. I also suspect there are a few of you here who post on that site too.

Listen. I know you’re older and your generation thrived on this stuff. But most people these don’t don’t view the world like you do. Most of us are not racist, nor do we subscribe to the “everyones” a racist mentality simply because they don’t agree politically. Maybe that’s how it was at East Haven High School…I don’t know nor do I care. But you are accomplishing something, and that’s distraction. This whole time we talked about a subjective term “racism” and not our horrible economy, wars, bombing of Libya, deficit or debt, the Patriot Act, lies or any other issue that middle class Americans have to deal with.

ellie said:
Pssst …. here’s a bigger secret. Anyone who would embrace the ‘birther’ movement after all the evidence IS a racist. They just don’t know. Surprise! Most racists aren’t aware of their racism. And Fox IS the channel for racists.

What evidence are you basing this on? Please, by all means, post links and documentation to show that people who want proof Obama is eligible to be president (btw, this is not a “birther” issue this is a VETTING issue). You can’t refute the facts, you can’t argue in an intelligent manner so you restort to the childish: “nanana boo boo you’re a raaaaacissssssssssssst”. Pssssst…it makes you look like you have the mental capabilities of a 5 yr old. Interesting how you didn’t answer what I posted about Obama not being a natural born citizen, you’re too focused on finding a racist in every closet I guess.

Nationman said:
so what you’re saying is you’re ignoring the entirety of the 14th amendment. Good for you.

No, the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution specifically defines “citizen” but not “natural born citizen”, If you want to make yourself look like an ignorant ass, good for you. You apparently have no clue what the constitutional requirements of being POTUS are nor the difference between a “citizen” and a “natural born citizen”. You have to be a “natural born citizen” in order to be president, this has a much STRICTER guideline.

KoldysLovesGoldenShowers said:
You can’t be serious

Tell us again when the BRITISH arriving on AMERICA obtained their freedom. Obtained their FREEDOM to be FREE from THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT. ON LAND OWNED BY NATIVE AMERICANS.

That little quote does wonders for Rupert Murdick

Where did the Native Americans get the land? Aren’t you being a hypocrite by saying the whites “stole” the land by the Native Americans when the Indians weren’t natives themselves???

Why does Obama have a SS# from Connecticut?

When did “African” become a race?

Does Hawaii law trump Constitutional law? Especially when it pertains to such a great importance like proving POTUS qualifications to preserve the integrity of the United States of America from being hijacked from within!!!

Bottom line is Obama could produce it in an instant if he wanted to….everyone knows that…….that is if one actually exists!!!

However, our so called transparent undocumented community organizer still refuses regardless the fire storm it is causing him!

ellie said:
This is my favorite part of the ‘birther’ argument. You’d think these “small government, constitutionalists” would be very happy that all men are created equal and even if you are the POTUS you have no more power than any other American citizen. But no …. they think Obama should act like a dictator and bypass the law and force the state of Hawaii release his long form.

Think as a brick comes to mind.

Why not? He’s done it on everything else. He has a shadow government set up full of czars (not constitutional), he bombed Libya without the consultation nor approval of Congress even though they were not an immediate threat nor hindered our interests in any way. Answer me this, WHY does he not release his records? Have you never stopped to ask yourself why he has spent so much money keeping them hidden?

Nationman said:
the language applies to everybody and has for quite some time.

NO it does not. It does not apply to a natural born citizen. Go back and read that original link I posted it will go through the process of the Constitution and how it applies to natural born citizens (and eligibility to be POTUS).

ellie said:
Your first two comments were ridiculous but I’d like to see something that supports this. Got anything?

“The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 19% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20″

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Nationman said:
i think he has coughed it up, you just don’t accept it.

No, what he produced was a COLB (certificate of live birth), it is NOT the same thing. The federal government does not even recognize this as an official identification ie you cannot use this to get a driver’s license, passport, etc. Most public schools will not allow this to enroll your child nor little league sports. This COLB he produced was proven to be a fake (hmmm…why would that be?). It’s also interesting to note the Barry Soeroto’s younger sister who was born in Indonesia has a COLB from Hawaii as well.

More Liberty5 said:
Actually her name is Ellen Carey R. I didn’t include the full last name, but she does appear to be in her 60s.

She should be embarrassed about how unintelligent her responses are and her inability to read or understand any kind of facts. I’ve had better debates and gotten better responses from 12 year olds than what she puts forth. Obviously this woman has gotten early onset dementia.

Tommy — I don’t think HRS §338-18(a) prohibits a person with a tangible interest, in this case the president or “a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant”, from receiving a copy of the original Certificate of Live Birth”. Nothing in HRS §338-18(a) prohibits the president of his representative from inspecting or receiving a copy of the original.

The code reads: The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm

The president, or his representative, clearly have a tangible interest and could inspect and copy the original record.

More Liberty5 said:
… I mean how racist is it to want to balance a budget. …

We had one of those once. That was before President Bush & the CreditCard Republicans exploded government spending and ran up record deficits and debt every year Bush was in office.

But now you want a balanced buget. That’s just precious.

ellie said:
No. There racists because they say racist things. Go spend some time on Fox Nation if you don’t believe me.

ndanielson said:
Bring us some links…

Here’s a site that archives and links some of the better racist comments they let stand over at FoxNation.

http://foxnewscomments.com/

skoorbekim said:
Why did the ACORN worker set up a tax shelter for a child prostitution ring…

They did? Really? Show me.

Mia Kulper said:
We had one of those once. That was before President Bush & the CreditCard Republicans exploded government spending and ran up record deficits and debt every year Bush was in office.

But now you want a balanced buget. That’s just precious.

I’m sorry. Did you read somewhere that I didn’t care about Bu$h’s spending polices? Did you read somewhere that I’m a Bush supporter?

No you didn’t partisan because I never said any of that. I don’t goose-step to your leftie/right group think. O-Bomb-a is basically no different that Bu$h:
-Huge deficits
-Huge debt
-Wars
-Patriot Act
-Big government crook
-Corporatist…..the list goes on.

“If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become president of America?”
~ James Orenga, Kenyan MP and Minister of Lands, March 25, 2010

“Obama’s family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama very well, because she was white, according to Sarah Obama. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she later said, she did not like how Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her baby. Obama’s grandmother said the baby—Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.—was born in Kenya and that shortly after he was born, Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii.”

Mia Kulper said:
Here’s a site that archives and links some of the better racist comments they let stand over at FoxNation.

http://foxnewscomments.com/

That’s hilarious. Most of the links to the original articles never even had comments, and two of the ones that did, had 2,300 comments with one “bad” one from the comments, and then DIDN’T EVEN LINK TO THE COMMENT. Who set that web site up, Van Jones? That is your “proof”???

Mia Kulper said:
We had one of those once. That was before President Bush & the CreditCard Republicans exploded government spending and ran up record deficits and debt every year Bush was in office.

But now you want a balanced buget. That’s just precious.

Bush spent money like a drunken sailor.

Obama makes Bush look like Scrooge.

Mia Kulper said:
Here’s a site that archives and links some of the better racist comments they let stand over at FoxNation.

http://foxnewscomments.com/

Wow 58 pages of them Well done! And thanks. :)

This is the best article EVER. Normally I don’t bother to read 13 pages of comments, but I knew this would be a classic. What I didn’t know was that the right of center posters would “out” themselves as birthers. Yep, everyone of them posted comments supporting the birther position, and this even after the author put together a structured and cogent dismantling of the whole birther argument.

I guess I can write some of our resident birther’s comments off to the fact they are not in on “The Joke”. This little bit of political chicanery will go down as one of the best campaign dirty tricks ever perpetrated on the opposite party….and what’s even more amazing is that the Democrats are the ones perpetrating it instead of the Republicans! Yep, that’s right, the whole birth certificate issue has gone from being a tiny Wingnut belief and has morphed into an ongoing strategy by the Dems to make the Repubs look crazier than Charlie Manson dancing on a hot griddle…and boy has it worked. And the best part is that the Repubs handed the Dems this little canard-a-thon free of charge. Karl Rove is probably green with envy and envisioning similar strategies for 2016 (after all Karl, is a realist). And wait….there’s more! Not only was this handed to the Dems free of charge, it has the added benefit of splitting the Repubs into two camps….you have Barack Must Go’s “real” American Wingnutsz® and the Repubs who think Barack Must Go’s “real” American Wingnutz® are just that….Wingnutz®.
And the most surreal part of the whole thing is that the Repubs are actually perpetrating this whole dirty trick on themselves…with no real help from the Dems (well, OK, they do give it a little nudge from time to time if it looks like its slowing down). So I would like to give thanks to Bobomatic, TfT, skoorbekim, Juarez, MoreLiberty5, Mr Papshmer, ndanielson, Nobama 2012, Steve 27, Hostile Logic, Pink Panther and an especially big shout out to Barack Must Go for being the best Democratic operatives/birthers ever. You guys keep up the great work, and maybe you will get a personal Presidential Attaboy in 2013.

PS: Pablo, I am a little disappointed in you. You refuse to get sucked in to this madness. WTF?

ndanielson said:
That’s hilarious. Most of the links to the original articles never even had comments, and two of the ones that did, had 2,300 comments with one “bad” one from the comments, and then DIDN’T EVEN LINK TO THE COMMENT. Who set that web site up, Van Jones? That is your “proof”???

Apparently 58 pages of racist comments isn’t enough. Just goes to show, you can’t believe your lying eyes. LOL

ellie said:
Wow 58 pages of them Well done! And thanks. :)

And not a shred of evidence that they still exist, or existed at all! Or that the weren’t written by Kels Filter Koldys, or Ellen Carey Rowe! Losers. LOL. How many of you clowns call Palin a whore on these pages? LOL. You clowns are sick puppies. ellie, your inability to investigate and tell the difference of fact from fiction is a well known shortcoming of yours here on mediaite. Duped again. Well done, indeed!

HostileLogic said:
Bush spent money like a drunken sailor.

Obama makes Bush look like Scrooge.

I prefer “Bush spent money like a drunken sailor. Obama spends money like a coked-up armada.”

ellie said:
Apparently 58 pages of racist comments isn’t enough. Just goes to show, you can’t believe your lying eyes. LOL

As much evidence as an 0bama COLB! You bought into that too. LOL. Hey ellie, how many links did you try? Hey ellie how many of the comments are still visible, if they ever were??? LOL. You sheep will buy anything but the facts. Well done, ellie.

The Tea Weasel® said:
This is the best article EVER. Normally I don’t bother to read 13 pages of comments, but I knew this would be a classic. What I didn’t know was that the right of center posters would “out” themselves as birthers. Yep, everyone of them posted comments supporting the birther position, and this even after the author put together a structured and cogent dismantling of the whole birther argument.

I guess I can write some of our resident birther’s comments off to the fact they are not in on “The Joke”. This little bit of political chicanery will go down as one of the best campaign dirty tricks ever perpetrated on the opposite party….and what’s even more amazing is that the Democrats are the ones perpetrating it instead of the Republicans! Yep, that’s right, the whole birth certificate issue has gone from being a tiny Wingnut belief and has morphed into an ongoing strategy by the Dems to make the Repubs look crazier than Charlie Manson dancing on a hot griddle…and boy has it worked. And the best part is that the Repubs handed the Dems this little canard-a-thon free of charge. Karl Rove is probably green with envy and envisioning similar strategies for 2016 (after all Karl, is a realist). And wait….there’s more! Not only was this handed to the Dems free of charge, it has the added benefit of splitting the Repubs into two camps….you have Barack Must Go’s “real” American Wingnutsz® and the Repubs who think Barack Must Go’s “real” American Wingnutz® are just that….Wingnutz®.
And the most surreal part of the whole thing is that the Repubs are actually perpetrating this whole dirty trick on themselves…with no real help from the Dems (well, OK, they do give it a little nudge from time to time if it looks like its slowing down). So I would like to give thanks to Bobomatic, TfT, skoorbekim, Juarez, MoreLiberty5, Mr Papshmer, ndanielson, Nobama 2012, Steve 27, Hostile Logic, Pink Panther and an especially big shout out to Barack Must Go for being the best Democratic operatives/birthers ever. You guys keep up the great work, and maybe you will get a personal Presidential Attaboy in 2013.

PS: Pablo, I am a little disappointed in you. You refuse to get sucked in to this madness. WTF?

Hey Pablo, are you shocked that the dupeweasel® buys into it all?

Mia Kulper said:
Here’s a site that archives and links some of the better racist comments they let stand over at FoxNation. http://foxnewscomments.com/

and the crap is just as bad here,newsbusters, daily kos, huffington post

The Tea Weasel® said:
And the most surreal part of the whole thing is that the Repubs are actually perpetrating this whole dirty trick on themselves…with no real help from the Dems (well, OK, they do give it a little nudge from time to time if it looks like its slowing down). So I would like to give thanks to Bobomatic, TfT, skoorbekim, Juarez, MoreLiberty5, Mr Papshmer, ndanielson, Nobama 2012, Steve 27, Hostile Logic, Pink Panther and an especially big shout out to Barack Must Go for being the best Democratic operatives/birthers ever. You guys keep up the great work, and maybe you will get a personal Presidential Attaboy in 2013.

Don’t thank us, dimweasel®, thank the Donald! He should start bringing up LTC Terry Lakin to let the American public know what a real leader 0bama is! LOL.

HostileLogic said:
“If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become president of America?”
~ James Orenga, Kenyan MP and Minister of Lands, March 25, 2010

“Obama’s family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama very well, because she was white, according to Sarah Obama. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she later said, she did not like how Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her baby. Obama’s grandmother said the baby—Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.—was born in Kenya and that shortly after he was born, Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii.”

So let me get this straight, “hearsay” is stronger evidence than actual documents Obama has provided? You have a problem called confirmation bias.

trident said:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm

The president, or his representative, clearly have a tangible interest and could inspect and copy the original record.

Can’t read….can you? It says Obama can have the certified BC copied….which he did, and you morons refuse to accept it’s veracity. Read Tommy’s article again.

pinkpanther said:
“The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 19% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20″

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Rasmussen is a GOP leaning poll. One should never look at it’s results in a vacuum. Here’s an average of Obama’s polling numbers.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

ndanielson said:
And not a shred of evidence that they still exist, or existed at all! Or that the weren’t written by Kels Filter Koldys, or Ellen Carey Rowe! Losers. LOL. How many of you clowns call Palin a whore on these pages? LOL. You clowns are sick puppies. ellie, your inability to investigate and tell the difference of fact from fiction is a well known shortcoming of yours here on mediaite. Duped again. Well done, indeed!

What’s most interesting is (at least as far as I’ve read) they’re not even Fox Nation posts … They’re Fox News posts. Each post is a screen shot …. but don’t believe your lying eyes. :)

The Tea Weasel® said:
This is the best article EVER. Normally I don’t bother to read 13 pages of comments, but I knew this would be a classic. What I didn’t know was that the right of center posters would “out” themselves as birthers. Yep, everyone of them posted comments supporting the birther position, and this even after the author put together a structured and cogent dismantling of the whole birther argument.

I guess I can write some of our resident birther’s comments off to the fact they are not in on “The Joke”. This little bit of political chicanery will go down as one of the best campaign dirty tricks ever perpetrated on the opposite party….and what’s even more amazing is that the Democrats are the ones perpetrating it instead of the Republicans! Yep, that’s right, the whole birth certificate issue has gone from being a tiny Wingnut belief and has morphed into an ongoing strategy by the Dems to make the Repubs look crazier than Charlie Manson dancing on a hot griddle…and boy has it worked. And the best part is that the Repubs handed the Dems this little canard-a-thon free of charge. Karl Rove is probably green with envy and envisioning similar strategies for 2016 (after all Karl, is a realist). And wait….there’s more! Not only was this handed to the Dems free of charge, it has the added benefit of splitting the Repubs into two camps….you have Barack Must Go’s “real” American Wingnutsz® and the Repubs who think Barack Must Go’s “real” American Wingnutz® are just that….Wingnutz®.
And the most surreal part of the whole thing is that the Repubs are actually perpetrating this whole dirty trick on themselves…with no real help from the Dems (well, OK, they do give it a little nudge from time to time if it looks like its slowing down). So I would like to give thanks to Bobomatic, TfT, skoorbekim, Juarez, MoreLiberty5, Mr Papshmer, ndanielson, Nobama 2012, Steve 27, Hostile Logic, Pink Panther and an especially big shout out to Barack Must Go for being the best Democratic operatives/birthers ever. You guys keep up the great work, and maybe you will get a personal Presidential Attaboy in 2013.

PS: Pablo, I am a little disappointed in you. You refuse to get sucked in to this madness. WTF?

You’re so pathetic you don’t even know the joke is on ALL Americans. You didn’t answer any argument or fact put forth on why Obama isn’t eligible, instead your answer has less substance than a pre-teen girl’s critique of the latest Bieber song (and less intelligence too).

ellie said:
What’s most interesting is (at least as far as I’ve read) they’re not even Fox Nation posts … They’re Fox News posts. Each post is a screen shot …. but don’t believe your lying eyes. :)

Of course sweetpea. Did someone try to convince you that there are no dummies on the right? We know there are dummies on the left, after all. You prove that every day, but have you verified any of the links??? LOL.

Hey, ellie, you buy into 0bama’s hidden birth cert without even using your lying eyes. You’ll believe someone elses lying eyes. My eyes haven’t lied to me at all. You have a link to a hack site, and you buy it hook line and sinker. Well done, ellie! How many links did you verify, again?

Donald Trump is making 0bama look like a fraud and a liar to a WHOLE bunch of people who didn’t know a thing about the issue. Now Charles Blow wants to have him censored. Typical liberal tactic. That’s your side, ellie.

pinkpanther said:
You’re so pathetic you don’t even know the joke is on ALL Americans. You didn’t answer any argument or fact put forth on why Obama isn’t eligible, instead your answer has less substance than a pre-teen girl’s critique of the latest Bieber song (and less intelligence too).

Well, I have no argument. The author of this post has covered all the bases, unless of course you cling to some ethereal belief that exists only amongst Wingnutz® and cannot be refuted by mere facts. But you are welcome to continue being part of The Joke.

Who is Beiber and why are you defending his song?

pinkpanther said:
No, what he produced was a COLB (certificate of live birth), it is NOT the same thing. The federal government does not even recognize this as an official identification ie you cannot use this to get a driver’s license, passport, etc.

This is BULLSHIT.
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/passport_5401.html (Birth Certificate Requirements)
Obama’s Birth Certificate –> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Satisfies EVERY requirement. Liar!

ellie said:
No a white guy wearing a stereotypical black pimp costume is racist.

A stereotypical black pimp? Hello, racist.

ndanielson said:
As much evidence as an 0bama COLB! You bought into that too.

The Birther Rag

First you get down on your knees,
Fiddle with your putz and believe,
Bow your head with great respect,
And deflect, deflect, deflect!

Take whatever steps you want, if
You have cleared them with the Wingnutz
Everybody say his own
when yer in a wingnut zone,
Doin’ the birther rag.

Get in line in that processional,
And become a wingnut radical,
There, the guy who’s got religion’ll
Tell you if Birth Certificate is original.
If it is, try playin’ it safer,
Drink the Cool-ade say it’s a faker,
Two, four, six, eight,
Time to call it birthergate!

So get down upon your knees,
Fiddle with your putz and believe,
Bow your head with great respect,
And deflect, deflect, deflect!

Make a cross on your abdomen,
When in Fox World do like a asshatman,
Ave maria,
Gee it’s good to see ya,
Gettin’ ecstatic an’
Sorta dramatic an’
Doin’ the birther rag!

Now THAT was fun! LOL

The Tea Weasel® said:
Well, I have no argument. The author of this post has covered all the bases, unless of course you cling to some ethereal belief that exists only amongst Wingnutz® and cannot be refuted by mere facts. But you are welcome to continue being part of The Joke.

Who is Beiber and why are you defending his song?

Yep, Tommy says that the president cannot obtain his BC even if he wanted to, and limpweasel® buys into it hook line and sinker. Wow, where has that fact been hiding for 2 years???

Third Hawaiian Official Denies Existence of Birth Certificate: ‘Obama Not Born In Hawaii’
Former Hawaiian Senior Elections Clerk, Tim Adams, Provides Sworn Affidavit Indicating Obama was Not Born In Hawaii – And Joins Hawaiian Governor and Former DPH Chairman, Brian Schatz, As List of Eyewitnesses To Shocking Roster of Mounting Evidence Against Obama Grows

He only looks at the evidence that fits his narrative, like ellie, and dupeweasel®, and all leftist sheep.

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/third-hawaiian-official-denies.html

And the BC is a distraction…from all the other documents of 0bama’s fraudulent pathetic past.

ndanielson said:
Hey Pablo, are you shocked that the dupeweasel® buys into it all?

I cannot possibly be shocked by that particular bot.

ellie said:
The Birther Rag

First you get down on your knees,
Fiddle with your putz and believe,
Bow your head with great respect,
And deflect, deflect, deflect!

Take whatever steps you want, if
You have cleared them with the Wingnutz
Everybody say his own
when yer in a wingnut zone,
Doin’ the birther rag.

Get in line in that processional,
And become a wingnut radical,
There, the guy who’s got religion’ll
Tell you if Birth Certificate is original.
If it is, try playin’ it safer,
Drink the Cool-ade say it’s a faker,
Two, four, six, eight,
Time to call it birthergate!

So get down upon your knees,
Fiddle with your putz and believe,
Bow your head with great respect,
And deflect, deflect, deflect!

Make a cross on your abdomen,
When in Fox World do like a asshatman,
Ave maria,
Gee it’s good to see ya,
Gettin’ ecstatic an’
Sorta dramatic an’
Doin’ the birther rag!

Now THAT was fun! LOL

The BC is a deflection from all of 0bama’s hidden documents. Donald is bringing that to light more and more too.

cjd ohio 1 said:
and the crap is just as bad here,newsbusters, daily kos, huffington post

Nope. And to try to make a case for equivalency is just dishonest. Newsbusters might I’ve never read the site.

ndanielson said:
Yep, Tommy says that the president cannot obtain his BC even if he wanted to, and limpweasel® buys into it hook line and sinker. Wow, where has that fact been hiding for 2 years???

Actually, Tommy didn’t say that. Obama can obtain a copy of the birth certificate (short form) which he did. He can’t get the long form. Do you know why? For ID purposes, the short form is all you need! Dumb birthers.

ellie said:
Nope. And to try to make a case for equivalency is just dishonest. Newsbusters might I’ve never read the site.

lol media matters is another one, you are just dishonest

ndanielson said:
Yep, Tommy says that the president cannot obtain his BC even if he wanted to, and limpweasel® buys into it hook line and sinker. Wow, where has that fact been hiding for 2 years???

He only looks at the evidence that fits his narrative, like ellie, and dupeweasel®, and all leftist sheep.

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/third-hawaiian-official-denies.html

And the BC is a distraction…from all the other documents of 0bama’s fraudulent pathetic past.

Yep, always use a blog as a source of great factual information. They are always so accountable.

Man I love it when ndanielson morphs in ndouchebag and starts ranting. You can almost see him spitting all over the keyboard while he types.

ndanielson said:
Of course sweetpea. Did someone try to convince you that there are no dummies on the right? We know there are dummies on the left, after all. You prove that every day, but have you verified any of the links??? LOL.

The discussion is about the racism connected to Fox.

Gasket said:
For ID purposes, the short form is all you need!

For looking like he’s hiding something, the short form is all you need! Dumb sheep.

Gasket said:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Thanks. Hardly almost down to 40%

ellie said:
The discussion is about the racism connected to Fox.

And one in 2,300+ comments is pretty thin. LOL. You leftist clowns call Palin a whore on every thread I have ever seen in less than 10.

PS, you haven’t said how many you have verified yet. I could verify none.

The Tea Weasel® said:
Well, I have no argument. The author of this post has covered all the bases, unless of course you cling to some ethereal belief that exists only amongst Wingnutz® and cannot be refuted by mere facts. But you are welcome to continue being part of The Joke.

Who is Beiber and why are you defending his song?

You either need to get off drugs or get on some. I’d say you’ve wondered into delusion territory at this point. Your argument is that everyone who wants Obama verified is being played for a joke (and it’s a non issue) yet you claim you have no argument? This so-called-author did not cover all the basis otherwise he would have mentioned that Obama is not qualified under the Constitution due to the simple fact that he is not a natural born citizen. He could have been born in the lap of the Lincoln statue, broadcast on live tv and witnessed by President Kennedy himself and it STILL wouldn’t make him eligible to be POTUS for the simple fact that his father was not a US citizen. The “short form” is a COLB (certificate of live birth) and it is NOT a recognized form of ID. Try taking that down to the local DMV and try getting a driver’s license with that (hint: they won’t let you), try getting a passport with a COLB, again, you can’t. Please explain to me how Barry Seoroto’s younger sister, who was born in Indonesia (this is a proven fact) has the EXACT SAME COLB from Hawaii Barry does? Btw, that COLB Barry released? It was proven as a fake.

ellie said:
Yes I am saying if you support a site and you call yourself a news agency then you have an obligation to either remove racist comments from the site or remove your support. Doesn’t really matter tho since Fox has racist hosts. FN has posts calling for Obama to be lynched on the WH lawn. AND it has moderators who allow these types of comments to remain.

glad that you dont consider the daily kos, huffington post and media matters are not “news agencies”

ndanielson said:
For looking like he’s hiding something, the short form is all you need! Dumb sheep.

Oh..oh, you’re back to your fascination and morbid obsession with ewes. Time to head back to the asylum for more electroshock therapy.

I stated a fact. You can obtain a DL or a passport with a certified copy of the COLB. I even provided a link for your dumb ass.

Why is he not producing a Birth Certificate?

That’s the simple question!
————————————–

It goes to TRANSPARENCY, and the lack of it throughout this Corrupt Administration!!!

The real story is how petrified the LEFT is of a GOP Business Candidate.
Look at their reaction to Trump.

Matthews was rabid tonight on Trump, and the Democratic Media has gone into SMEAR-MODE early.

ROMNEY WILL KICK BARRY’S AS…!

pinkpanther said:
You either need to get off drugs or get on some. I’d say you’ve wondered into delusion territory at this point. Your argument is that everyone who wants Obama verified is being played for a joke (and it’s a non issue) yet you claim you have no argument? This so-called-author did not cover all the basis otherwise he would have mentioned that Obama is not qualified under the Constitution due to the simple fact that he is not a natural born citizen. He could have been born in the lap of the Lincoln statue, broadcast on live tv and witnessed by President Kennedy himself and it STILL wouldn’t make him eligible to be POTUS for the simple fact that his father was not a US citizen. The “short form” is a COLB (certificate of live birth) and it is NOT a recognized form of ID. Try taking that down to the local DMV and try getting a driver’s license with that (hint: they won’t let you), try getting a passport with a COLB, again, you can’t. Please explain to me how Barry Seoroto’s younger sister, who was born in Indonesia (this is a proven fact) has the EXACT SAME COLB from Hawaii Barry does? Btw, that COLB Barry released? It was proven as a fake.

I am sorry. My upbringing does not allow me to be mean to retarded people. You obviously are retarded and can’t grasp simple facts, words, ideas and concepts and have made up your own so you can cope with this complex new world.

Best of luck.

pinkpanther said:
This so-called-author did not cover all the basis otherwise he would have mentioned that Obama is not qualified under the Constitution due to the simple fact that he is not a natural born citizen.

Where in the US Constitution or in US case law does it define natural born citizenship?

ndanielson said:
Yep, Tommy says that the president cannot obtain his BC even if he wanted to, and limpweasel® buys into it hook line and sinker. Wow, where has that fact been hiding for 2 years???

It hasn’t. You guys just refused to believe it.

NORBIT Jr. said:
Why is he not producing a Birth Certificate?

That’s the simple question!

False premise. He has produced one. Non-acceptance of it does not infer it was not produced.

ellie said:
Thanks. Hardly almost down to 40%

But this one is closer to the truth! You’re welcome.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 19% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20.

Or even this one:

(Quinnipiac) American voters disapprove 48 – 42 percent of the job President Barack Obama is doing and say 50 – 41 percent he does not deserve to be re-elected in 2012, both all-time lows, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

“Some reasons for his overall numbers might be that Obama receives negative ratings on his handling of the budget deficit, the economy, foreign policy, health care and energy policy.”

Bummer. Keep talking, Mr. Trump!

cjd ohio 1 said:
glad that you dont consider the daily kos, huffington post and media matters are not “news agencies”

None of them have the daily numerous racist comments that Fox allows. EVAH!

ndanielson said:
The BC is a deflection from all of 0bama’s hidden documents

alarm! alarm! New meme alert!

Gasket said:
False premise. He has produced one. Non-acceptance of it does not infer it was not produced.

His long form has been seen by nobody on the right. Dumb sheep.

Gasket said:
This is BULLSHIT.
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/passport_5401.html (Birth Certificate Requirements)
Obama’s Birth Certificate –> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Satisfies EVERY requirement. Liar!

Yes, and it’s coming from your end: “The birth certificate below is an example of a birth certificate with major problems. The missing information is that there is no doctor’s signature or any signature of any witness nor is there the name of a hospital. You could have problems getting a US Passport with this birth certificate.” Obama’s COLB didn’t have a signature of the attending Dr, nor his mother, nor a witness. Obama’s COLB didn’t meet the requirements to get a passport WITHOUT additional documentation to prove citizenship.

ellie said:
None of them have the daily numerous racist comments that Fox allows. EVAH!

You’re a 60+ year old woman and use the word “evah”? Teenagers don’t even use that, sad really. You haven’t proven, by the way, that any of those comments were made by Fox News.

ellie said:
None of them have the daily numerous racist comments that Fox allows. EVAH!

lol, just a hack aren’t you, what a shame

pinkpanther said:
Btw, that COLB Barry released? It was proven as a fake.

Dear lord.

ellie said:
alarm! alarm! New meme alert!

Lady, you need to stop imbibing of your clients preferred method of addiction before posting on the internet.

cjd ohio 1 said:
lol media matters is another one, you are just dishonest

If you can show me one page worth of racist comments on MMfA never mind 58 pages worth … I’ll concede.

ellie said:
alarm! alarm! New meme alert!

Spread it ellie. God that almost made me throw up. I like the new meme. LTC Lakin is one Trump should use, too. Hey, ellie, where are all his other documents??? Time for a new rag, ellie! Show us your thesis, Barry! Show us your senate correspondence, Barry, show us your passport, Barry! Show us your admission papers, Barry, show us your medical records, Barry. I like the new meme, ellie.

ndanielson said:
And one in 2,300+ comments is pretty thin. LOL. You leftist clowns call Palin a whore on every thread I have ever seen in less than 10.

PS, you haven’t said how many you have verified yet. I could verify none.

They’re screen shots genius. And this is a conversation about racism. Do I have to sing The Birther Rag to you again?

Mia Kulper said:
Dear lord.

For someone whose using the internet you really have no clue how to use the search features do you? The so-called COLB wasn’t even released by Barry, it was released on the Daily KOS and yes it was a fake:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

The Hawaii Dept of Health themselves admitted Barry’s so-called COLB was a fake:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/11/28/hi-dept-of-health-admits-obamas-colb-is-faked/

ellie said:
They’re screen shots genius.

With links to the “original” article. Are you that stupid? How many are real, sheep? Sing all you want. Sing the Barry missing document rag. Rag.

cjd ohio 1 said:
glad that you dont consider the daily kos, huffington post and media matters are not “news agencies”

Neither MMfA nor Daily Kos are news agencies. A case could be made for HuffPo I suppose … but HuffPo would remove a racist post (if it even made it on the site in the first place since posts are monitored) in a NY minute.

The Tea Weasel® said:
I am sorry. My upbringing does not allow me to be mean to retarded people. You obviously are retarded and can’t grasp simple facts, words, ideas and concepts and have made up your own so you can cope with this complex new world.

Best of luck.

Again, all you do is call names. You haven’t answered anything I said. I provided actual documentation to back up what I said and all you offer in return is………….calling me retarded? Plus your limited mental capabilities didn’t even pick up the fact that you are a hypocrite by saying “My upbringing does not allow me to be mean to retarded people.” but calling someone retarded isn’t mean in and of itself? Let me see, in your twisted view it is acceptable to be an ass to EVERYONE else but not the mentally handicapped? That explains your deluded responses on this article.

pinkpanther said:
The Hawaii Dept of Health themselves admitted Barry’s so-called COLB was a fake:

LOL

ellie said:
And this is a conversation about racism

How hard would it be for you to find the Sarah Palin is white (trailer) trash on any leftist site? Hypocrite clown. Wow. Derogatory slander is an art form for you clowns, as well as DEFLECTION.

At least Trump has given you something to do today, ellie. Rag mama rag!

Gasket said:
Where in the US Constitution or in US case law does it define natural born citizenship?

For the wingnutz some German defined it in the 19th century.

Go Donald! Turn the heat up on the fraud, 0bama. Bring up all his other missing documents and question his SSN and passport!

pinkpanther said:
For someone whose using the internet you really have no clue how to use the search features do you? The so-called COLB wasn’t even released by Barry, it was released on the Daily KOS and yes it was a fake:

Um, no.

ndanielson said:
His long form has been seen by nobody on the right. Dumb sheep.

Your grammar sucks. Did you mean “has the long form been seen by anyone on the right?”
Firstly, when was the “right” established as the arbiter of truth? Secondly, Mrs Fukino, former Hawaii health director has verified it’s existence. Mrs Fukino was appointed by a Republican governor who asked her to officially make a statement on the birther issue. She did, after verifying the records personally. That is enough proof for me. Provide me the evidence Obama was NOT born in Hawaii.

pinkpanther said:
Obama’s COLB didn’t have a signature of the attending Dr, nor his mother, nor a witness. Obama’s COLB didn’t meet the requirements to get a passport WITHOUT additional documentation to prove citizenship.

Are you seriously this dumb? You can not even read anything I have linked to? Here…I will copy and paste it for you.

Beginning April 1, 2011, the U.S. Department of State will require the full names of the applicant’s parent(s) to be listed on all certified birth certificates to be considered as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship for all passport applicants, regardless of age. Certified birth certificates missing this information will not be acceptable as evidence of citizenship. This will not affect applications already in-process that have been submitted or accepted before the effective date.

For more information, see 22 CFR 51.42(a).

To obtain a new birth certificate, see the CDC.

In addition to this requirement, certified copies of birth certificates must also include the following information to be considered acceptable primary evidence of U.S. citizenship:

Full name of the applicant
Date of birth
Place of birth
Raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal of issuing authority
Registrar’s signature
The date the certificate was filed with the registrar’s office (must be within one year)

That is what is needed on the BC for it to be legit.

pinkpanther said:
Btw, that COLB Barry released? It was proven as a fake.

By who? The voices in your head? Why hasn’t Obama been arrested then by the FBI, Secret Service for providing fraudulent official documents? Can’t answer that one…can you?

Gasket said:
Where in the US Constitution or in US case law does it define natural born citizenship?

*sigh* go back a few pages where I provide a link and in depth information on that. However since your reading comprehension is probably limited I’ll refresh some if it for you: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/35360

“First, you would look at what the U.S. Constitution, adopted into law on 17 September 1787 has to say about the matter. Your research would take you to Article II, Section I, Clause 5, which states that “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.[0]” [emphasis added].

At this point, you are faced with finding the legal definition of a natural born citizen, as the other qualifications as they pertain to Barack Hussein Obama appear to be unchallenged. So, what constitutes a natural born citizen?

Our research has found that United States Congress first defined a natural born citizen on 26 March 1790 by legislation titled “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.[ii]” The applicable portion of that law states in part, that the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States…” {emphasis added].

But wait, that act was repealed by the Naturalization Act of 1795[iii] which was passed on 29 January 1795 that states, in part: ” the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States.” [emphasis added]

Apparently, so did John Jay, a founding father of the United States and the first chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court under George Washington. John Jay was concerned by threats from within our republic, and to prevent foreign enemies from taking over as commander-in-chief. He turned to the writings of an international legal expert Emerich de Vattel, author of “The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law Applied to the Conduct and to the Affairs of Nations and of Sovereigns” (The Law of Nations was influenced by the writings of Christian Wolff, a German philosopher and advisor in government affairs).

In Book 1, Chapter XIX, Sec 212 of Vattel’s works, we finally find the following definition of a natural born citizen: “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” From here, we find that this definition was accepted into law, at least for a while.

Further research has led us, and will lead you to a more recent interpretation of the definition of a natural born citizen. As it happens, we found a very well researched article written by Glen Gilliland here that cites the same case (and expedites us to this point beyond, for instance, the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952) which we believe, establishes the legal definition we’ve been looking for. It is the 1971 case of Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815.

The key provision in this U.S. Supreme Court case, also highlighted by Mr. Gilliland, lies in the following statement: “the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States.”

pinkpanther said:
You’re a 60+ year old woman and use the word “evah”? Teenagers don’t even use that, sad really. You haven’t proven, by the way, that any of those comments were made by Fox News.

Screen shots. but don’t believe your lying eyes. It’s the new conservative way.

Gasket said:
Where in the US Constitution or in US case law does it define natural born citizenship?

Here is yet more done in an even simpler form: http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaNaturalBorn.htm

..is not a “natural born” citizen because his father was a Kenyan national and a British subject, as was Obama, “at birth.” The Obama Campaign describes Barack Obama Sr. as, “a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.”

…is a “native-born,” 14th Amendment citizen because his mother was an American and he was born in Hawaii — assuming he was born in Hawaii . The Obama Campaign describes Barack Obama as a “native-born citizen” on it’s website.

…is a “citizen” because his mother was an American and he was born in Hawaii — assuming he was born in Hawaii. If Obama was not born in Hawaii, all bets are off.

See: Right there on Obama’s own website, where it says, “The Truth About Barack’s Birth Certificate” — “The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a “native citizen of the United States of America.”

If you cursor down the page, Obama’s dual citizenship status is described:

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.”

ellie said:
Screen shots. but don’t believe your lying eyes. It’s the new conservative way.

Yes, definitely early onset dementia. You really ought to have the checked out you know. It’s troubling that you don’t even remember your own comments from 10 minutes ago.

ndanielson said:
LTC Lakin is one Trump should use, too.

You are asking someone who was CONVICTED for not proving his birther case to help Trump? That’s rich.

pinkpanther said:
The Hawaii Dept of Health themselves admitted Barry’s so-called COLB was a fake:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/11/28/hi-dept-of-health-admits-obamas-colb-is-faked/

They did?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8191566&page=1

pinkpanther said:
Lady, you need to stop imbibing of your clients preferred method of addiction before posting on the internet.

LOL I don’t work as a substance abuse counselor. Haven’t done anything in that field for almost 20 years. Just because you snoops saw that I went to school for it back in the early 90′s ….

Pablo said:
Um, no.

Um, yes.

ellie said:
LOL I don’t work as a substance abuse counselor. Haven’t done anything in that field for almost 20 years. Just because you snoops saw that I went to school for it back in the early 90’s ….

Sorry, my mistake you’re now the client right?

ellie said:
For the wingnutz some German defined it in the 19th century.

who?

ndanielson said:
Spread it ellie. God that almost made me throw up. I like the new meme. LTC Lakin is one Trump should use, too. Hey, ellie, where are all his other documents??? Time for a new rag, ellie! Show us your thesis, Barry! Show us your senate correspondence, Barry, show us your passport, Barry! Show us your admission papers, Barry, show us your medical records, Barry. I like the new meme, ellie.

Jump through the hoops N! Good dog! Now jump thru some more hoops! Here’s a treat! Good dog!

I see why Obama likes to make the righties jump thru his hoops. It’s FUN!

ndanielson said:
With links to the “original” article. Are you that stupid? How many are real, sheep? Sing all you want. Sing the Barry missing document rag. Rag.

I’m finished talking to you about this. You make a brick look translucent. Don’t believe your lying eyes … Or just go to Fox and Fox Nation and read the posts. Things haven’t changed.

pinkpanther said:
*sigh* go back a few pages where I provide a link and in depth information on that. However since your reading comprehension is probably limited I’ll refresh some if it for you: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/35360

“First, you would look at what the U.S. Constitution, adopted into law on 17 September 1787 has to say about the matter. Your research would take you to Article II, Section I, Clause 5, which states that “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.[0]” [emphasis added].

At this point, you are faced with finding the legal definition of a natural born citizen, as the other qualifications as they pertain to Barack Hussein Obama appear to be unchallenged. So, what constitutes a natural born citizen?

Our research has found that United States Congress first defined a natural born citizen on 26 March 1790 by legislation titled “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.[ii]” The applicable portion of that law states in part, that the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States…” {emphasis added].

But wait, that act was repealed by the Naturalization Act of 1795[iii] which was passed on 29 January 1795 that states, in part: ” the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States.” [emphasis added]

Apparently, so did John Jay, a founding father of the United States and the first chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court under George Washington. John Jay was concerned by threats from within our republic, and to prevent foreign enemies from taking over as commander-in-chief. He turned to the writings of an international legal expert Emerich de Vattel, author of “The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law Applied to the Conduct and to the Affairs of Nations and of Sovereigns” (The Law of Nations was influenced by the writings of Christian Wolff, a German philosopher and advisor in government affairs).

In Book 1, Chapter XIX, Sec 212 of Vattel’s works, we finally find the following definition of a natural born citizen: “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” From here, we find that this definition was accepted into law, at least for a while.

Further research has led us, and will lead you to a more recent interpretation of the definition of a natural born citizen. As it happens, we found a very well researched article written by Glen Gilliland here that cites the same case (and expedites us to this point beyond, for instance, the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952) which we believe, establishes the legal definition we’ve been looking for. It is the 1971 case of Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815.

The key provision in this U.S. Supreme Court case, also highlighted by Mr. Gilliland, lies in the following statement: “the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States.”

I asked you to provide me where in the US Constitution (that is the document that we use for Presidential qualifications) where natural born citizenship is defined. You have not done that. Thanks for proving nothing.

Gasket said:
Your grammar sucks. Did you mean “has the long form been seen by anyone on the right?”
Firstly, when was the “right” established as the arbiter of truth? Secondly, Mrs Fukino, former Hawaii health director has verified it’s existence. Mrs Fukino was appointed by a Republican governor who asked her to officially make a statement on the birther issue. She did, after verifying the records personally. That is enough proof for me. Provide me the evidence Obama was NOT born in Hawaii.

Are you seriously this dumb? You can not even read anything I have linked to? Here…I will copy and paste it for you.

You’re calling me dumb but you can’t tell the difference between a COLB and a certified birth certificate? Barry’s COLB was not a certified birth certificate and it lacked all the pertinent information such as signature of the attending physician and witness. What you posted pretty much proved what I was saying (thank you for saving me the time!). By the way, have YOU read ANYTHING I linked? Obama didn’t release this COLB so he can’t be charged with releasing a forged document (again, you’re calling me stupid?).

That is what is needed on the BC for it to be legit.

By who? The voices in your head? Why hasn’t Obama been arrested then by the FBI, Secret Service for providing fraudulent official documents? Can’t answer that one…can you?

Way to go Tommy, even with incontrovertible facts they still go crazy.
“Unum castigabis, centum emendabis.”

Gasket said:
“the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident of the United States.”

This is also fallacious. Read the 14th amendment. You are clueless.

Gasket said:
Your grammar sucks. Did you mean “has the long form been seen by anyone on the right?”
Firstly, when was the “right” established as the arbiter of truth? Secondly, Mrs Fukino, former Hawaii health director has verified it’s existence. Mrs Fukino was appointed by a Republican governor who asked her to officially make a statement on the birther issue. She did, after verifying the records personally. That is enough proof for me. Provide me the evidence Obama was NOT born in Hawaii.

Are you seriously this dumb? You can not even read anything I have linked to? Here…I will copy and paste it for you.

That is what is needed on the BC for it to be legit.

By who? The voices in your head? Why hasn’t Obama been arrested then by the FBI, Secret Service for providing fraudulent official documents? Can’t answer that one…can you?

He still actively hides his long form. Bummer, huh? Facts are facts. He’s hiding something.

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/third-hawaiian-official-denies.html

Grammar clown, bite me.

Secondly, Mrs Fukino, former Hawaii health director has verified it’s existence.

Dumbass. Check your possessive pronoun next time grammar clown. All you grammar clowns are just as stupid as the one before. In all you do, I’m sure.

That previous post was directed to pinkpanther.

Gasket said:
I asked you to provide me where in the US Constitution (that is the document that we use for Presidential qualifications) where natural born citizenship is defined. You have not done that. Thanks for proving nothing.

*sigh* reading comprehension ftw! Again, read this link (it does break down the constitutional requirements however it does take a 6th grade reading comprehension level to understand it so not sure this is going to help you).
http://www.theobamafile.com/obamanaturalborn.htm

Gasket said:
This is also fallacious. Read the 14th amendment. You are clueless.

Again the 14th amendment does NOT address a “natural born citizen” (you know that pesky requirement to be the POTUS?).

ndanielson said:
He still actively hides his long form. Bummer, huh? Facts are facts. He’s hiding something.

Answer my question. If the COLB is a fake document , why hasn’t he been arrested for it? You claim Obama is hiding something. What is he hiding, birther?

The Tea Weasel® said:
Jump through the hoops N! Good dog! Now jump thru some more hoops! Here’s a treat! Good dog!

I see why Obama likes to make the righties jump thru his hoops. It’s FUN!

Does ellie know you are deflecting, clownweasel®? His entire past is as hidden and as fraudulent as his whole long form BC is. LOL. Your boy is a FRAUD.

I opened one thread about Michele Obama supporting the troops and this comment was only about 10 posts down …

Ok folks it’s ELECTION CAMPAIGN mode time!!! when the SILVERBACK starts talking AMERICAN PATRIOTISM..and NOT in a bad tone…then you know it’s that time.
It’s ALSO HIDE THE BANANAS & PEANUTS time cause here she comes…and for God’s sake find the ZOOKEEPER!!!

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/culture/2011/04/11/first-lady-calls-celebrities-support-troops#ixzz1JFofHgDB

Now if you can show this kind of racist talk here or on any other site that been mentioned … I’ll concede.
The latest common name for the FLOTUS is “Seabiscuit”.

To Tommy Christopher,

Thanks for posting this article.

Whenever I see one of these birthers on TV, the hosts are almost always ignorant of even the most basic facts, all of which you’ve collected and concisely summarized in your article.

I don’t think it’s going to do any good for the severly deluded souls who buy into this birther stuff but it’s definitely recommended reading for any interviewer who is foolish enough to invite one of these loons on TV.

Of course if we had a well informed and informative media in the first place, the TeaBaggers’ five minutes of fame would have been over five minutes after Rick Santelli delivered his Wall Street Tea-rant on CNBC.

pinkpanther said:
Again the 14th amendment does NOT address a “natural born citizen” (you know that pesky requirement to be the POTUS?).

I never said it did. I said the statement you quoted was wrong. I quoted and responded to something specific. You do not need to have an American parent to be a citizen.

pinkpanther said:
*sigh* reading comprehension ftw! Again, read this link (it does break down the constitutional requirements however it does take a 6th grade reading comprehension level to understand it so not sure this is going to help you).
http://www.theobamafile.com/obamanaturalborn.htm

Quote where it defines natural born citizenship in the US Constitution. The Constitution is a very detailed document. Surely, natural born citizenship was defined somewhere. Call me all the invectives you wish. You have not proven anything.

Gasket said:
Answer my question. If the COLB is a fake document , why hasn’t he been arrested for it? You claim Obama is hiding something. What is he hiding, birther?

Didn’t you read Tommy’s arcticle, asshat? Legally, not even 0bama can get his long form. LOL. The Hawaiian political machine won’t release it, as they have themselves “verified” it, and his long form remains a mystery. Certainly you are aware of that??? Dumbass. Hey, dumbass, why won’t 0bama just go to Hawaii with Trump and show Trump his real long form??? LOL. Dumbass. They can have a beer/BC summit! LOL. Gasket you’re a flunky.

Now answer this: why won’t 0bama just go to Hawaii with Trump and show Trump his real long form?

Gasket said:
Answer my question. If the COLB is a fake document , why hasn’t he been arrested for it? You claim Obama is hiding something. What is he hiding, birther?

Really? How can you even type complete sentences being that mentally slow? HE didn’t release the COLB therefore Barry is not legally on the hook for a fake document. Barry wasn’t using the fake COLB to get a passport or driver’s license therefore no crime was committed. Please, by all means release Barry’s certified long form BC, his college records, his passport, his social security. Oh, wait? You mean Barry has them sealed and has never released them? Now, you tell me who is trying to hide something?

Gasket said:
I never said it did. I said the statement you quoted was wrong. I quoted and responded to something specific. You do not need to have an American parent to be a citizen.

Quote where it defines natural born citizenship in the US Constitution. The Constitution is a very detailed document. Surely, natural born citizenship was defined somewhere. Call me all the invectives you wish. You have not proven anything.

YOU brought up the 14th amendment (mabye Ellie isn’t the only one with dementia, you might also want to get that checked out). Again, did you read the link I provided? I’m taking that as a big fat no.

ndanielson said:
Now answer this: why won’t 0bama just go to Hawaii with Trump and show Trump his real long form?

Hey, I know why! Because it does not exist! http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/third-hawaiian-official-denies.html

As many Hawaii officials say it DOES NOT EXIST as those that do. Well, who to believe now?

ellie said:
The latest common name for the FLOTUS is “Seabiscuit”.

Show as much vigilance in finding the “common names” for Sarah Palin, and you will at least be believable. LOL, Hack.

cjd ohio 1 said:
who?

Go back through the thread. Some wing-nut posted it.

ndanielson said:
Didn’t you read Tommy’s arcticle, asshat? Legally, not even 0bama can get his long form. LOL. The Hawaiian political machine won’t release it, as they have themselves “verified” it, and his long form remains a mystery. Certainly you are aware of that??? Dumbass. Hey, dumbass, why won’t 0bama just go to Hawaii with Trump and show Trump his real long form??? LOL. Dumbass. They can have a beer/BC summit! LOL. Gasket you’re a flunky.

Now answer this: why won’t 0bama just go to Hawaii with Trump and show Trump his real long form?

You didn’t answer my question, assclown. Why hasn’t Obama been arrested for producing a fictitious official document? If it’s fake as you wingnuts claim, he should be in jail.

You do realize Obama is the President of the United States right? Leader of the free world. Most powerful person in the world. He doesn’t have the time to engage in or deal with the latest bullshit you birthers and idiotic teabaggers are upto.

I’m telling you dude, once the Obaman was elected he used presidential privilege to order Col. Jack O’Neil and the SG-1 team to use alien time travel technology and go back through the”Stargate” to Hawaii in August 1961. Once there they entered Obama’s birth notices in the newspapers but since there were no computers at the time they had to approximate the day and time of his birth. Man you birthers are persistent and ignorant too.

Hey, Donald, offer Barry a beer summit in Hawaii. At the office hiding his long form birth certificate!

I have a question for all you Barry sycophants. WHY aren’t you calling for his transparency and demanding he release all of his documents? Why have you never questioned his hiding of all of his past records from the American people? After all, this pertains to ALL Americans right or left. Why are you comfortable/happy with a President who won’t prove he’s eligible to hold that office? If Barry had an “R” behind his name we all know you would be howling to the moon about how he’s hiding everything. What are you so scared of? Why are you so comfortable not holding him accountable?

Tedderman said:
I’m telling you dude, once the Obaman was elected he used presidential privilege to order Col. Jack O’Neil and the SG-1 team to use alien time travel technology and go back through the”Stargate” to Hawaii in August 1961. Once there they entered Obama’s birth notices in the newspapers but since there were no computers at the time they had to approximate the day and time of his birth. Man you birthers are persistent and ignorant too.

You post that delusional crap and call birthers ignorant? Pot meet kettle.

ndanielson said:
Hey, dumbass, why won’t 0bama just go to Hawaii with Trump and show Trump his real long form??? LOL.

You couldn’t make this stuff up even with the best writers. BHAAAWWWHAAA! Keep em coming!

pinkpanther said:
You post that delusional crap and call birthers ignorant? Pot meet kettle.

LOL Conservatives and humor. Mutually exclusive.

Gasket said:
You didn’t answer my question, assclown. Why hasn’t Obama been arrested for producing a fictitious official document? If it’s fake as you wingnuts claim, he should be in jail.

You do realize Obama is the President of the United States right? Leader of the free world. Most powerful person in the world. He doesn’t have the time to engage in or deal with the latest bullshit you birthers and idiotic teabaggers are upto.

Isn’t that his job though being accountable to the US people? Why don’t you want him to be accountable? Don’t you find it a tad bit ironic that he’s “too busy” to simply release this information (one phone call and all of this would be on the news tonight, it wouldn’t even take 2 minutes of his time) yet he has plenty of time for endless rounds of golf and vacation after vacation?

Gasket said:
You do realize Obama is the President of the United States right? Leader of the free world. Most powerful person in the world. He doesn’t have the time to engage in or deal with the latest bullshit you birthers and idiotic teabaggers are upto.

Yes, and he should be able to get that certificate to Donald within 24 hours. If it existed! LOL.

To answer your question – It is because some officials have ‘verified’ its existence. Get it now? Get how to use the word its, now, too? Read it s l o w l y so that you get it.

Now answer mine.

The Tea Weasel® said:
LOL Conservatives and humor. Mutually exclusive.

Liberals and intelligence. Mutually exclusive.

pinkpanther said:
Really? How can you even type complete sentences being that mentally slow? HE didn’t release the COLB therefore Barry is not legally on the hook for a fake document. Barry wasn’t using the fake COLB to get a passport or driver’s license therefore no crime was committed

Illogical nonsense. Of course he’s on the hook. His PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN released the document and claimed it as his. Geeez…you teabaggers are dense. Where is that quote from the US Constitution defining natural born citizenship, dummy? That is the only thing I want to see from you.

pinkpanther said:
YOU brought up the 14th amendment (mabye Ellie isn’t the only one with dementia, you might also want to get that checked out). Again, did you read the link I provided? I’m taking that as a big fat no.

I brought up the 14th amendment because you quoted something that was factually wrong. You do not even seem to know what’s in your copy and pasted bullshit. I am not interested in reading your other linked bullshit either until you show me where in our lovely US Constitution, natural born citizenship is defined. Now…put up or shut up….birther.

ndanielson said:
Show as much vigilance in finding the “common names” for Sarah Palin, and you will at least be believable. LOL, Hack.

This isn’t racist … just disrespectful to the FLOTUS. Interesting that you have no comment about the very racist post that was included. Did your lying eyes just miss it?

ellie said:
You couldn’t make this stuff up even with the best writers. BHAAAWWWHAAA! Keep em coming!

Deflecting again, hack?

Gasket said:
Illogical nonsense. Of course he’s on the hook. His PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN released the document and claimed it as his. Geeez…you teabaggers are dense. Where is that quote from the US Constitution defining natural born citizenship, dummy? That is the only thing I want to see from you.

I brought up the 14th amendment because you quoted something that was factually wrong. You do not even seem to know what’s in your copy and pasted bullshit. I am not interested in reading your other linked bullshit either until you show me where in our lovely US Constitution, natural born citizenship is defined. Now…put up or shut up….birther.

“Yes I read that link and found the information I had asked for” is all I want to see from you. By the way, his campaign is NOT Barry now is it? Show me where Barry used that fake COLB to get a passport or a driver’s license?

ellie said:
This isn’t racist … just disrespectful to the FLOTUS. Interesting that you have no comment about the very racist post that was included. Did your lying eyes just miss it?

A woman who was never proud of a country that my family, myself and friends have served and still serve honorably? Bite hard, hack. She deserves nothing short of contempt. Seabiscuit, indeed! Horseface is much more fitting.

ellie said:
The latest common name for the FLOTUS is “Seabiscuit”.

And we should care because .. ? This is the same un-American pos that was never proud to be an American, her words, until her old man got the nomination. Yeah, the same America where she can write her own ticket, but we’re not good enough for her. She made her bed with her own stupid comment, now the lousy skeezer can sleep there.

ndanielson said:
Yes, and he should be able to get that certificate to Donald within 24 hours. If it existed! LOL.

To answer your question – It is because some officials have ‘verified’ its existence. Get it now? Get how to use the word its, now, too? Read it s l o w l y so that you get it.

Now answer mine.

Another duck from the senile old man. Yes, officials have verified it’s veracity. Who has verified it’s a fake? Answer that one, you sponge brained neanderthal.

pinkpanther said:
Isn’t that his job though being accountable to the US people? Why don’t you want him to be accountable? Don’t you find it a tad bit ironic that he’s “too busy” to simply release this information (one phone call and all of this would be on the news tonight, it wouldn’t even take 2 minutes of his time) yet he has plenty of time for endless rounds of golf and vacation after vacation?

He already provided his birth certificate, you blatherskite! He did it 3 years ago and posted it on the internet so even the brain dead like yourself could actually see it.

Gasket said:
Now…put up or shut up….birther.

Practice what you preach much? You REFUSE to read the link and yet cry that I haven’t provided the information. I’m not responsible for your lack of reading skills.

pinkpanther said:
I have a question for all you Barry sycophants. WHY aren’t you calling for his transparency and demanding he release all of his documents?

You mean just like the right did with Bush? Those demands?

Here Tommy publishes a reasonably comprehensive debunking, and I think, well that ought to do it. Half the Repubs on Mediaite claim it’s the left who are pushing the birth certificate story to make them look bad. But no, somehow we now have sixteen pages of comments, maybe seventeen by the time I hit submit. Amazing. Thank you for your efforts, Tommy.

Gasket said:
Another duck from the senile old man. Yes, officials have verified it’s veracity. Who has verified it’s a fake? Answer that one, you sponge brained neanderthal.

He already provided his birth certificate, you blatherskite! He did it 3 years ago and posted it on the internet so even the brain dead like yourself could actually see it.

Hmmm..I must really be making you scared because the name calling has increased (personally I find nerdrage entertaining). Again, reading comprehension FTW! He did NOT release his long, form certified birth certificate. *Someone* in his camp released a fake COLB (certificate of live birth-btw, you never answered my question as to how Barry’s younger sister ended up with a Hawaii COLB even though she was born in Indonesia and yet Barry’s is legitimate?). I’ve already provided several links stating that the COLB released was fake. Again, it’s not my fault if you have no reading skills.

pinkpanther said:
“Yes I read that link and found the information I had asked for” is all I want to see from you. By the way, his campaign is NOT Barry now is it? Show me where Barry used that fake COLB to get a passport or a driver’s license?

Seriously, you could save us all the time by posting what I requested. It’s asinine to infer that Obama and Obama’s campaign are different entities. I really haven’t clicked on any of your links. I have read almost every far-fetched birther conspiracy there is. If what I request is in there, it should be easy for you. Quote the section of the Constitution they cited, then post it on here for all to see.

ellie said:
You mean just like the right did with Bush? Those demands?

Provide links where Bush wasn’t transparent and documentation. Show me where Bush had double digit czars not accountable to either Congress or the American people. Show me where Bush went to war without the approval and vote of Congress (unlike Barry). For the record, I am not a Bush fan. He made his own share of stupid mistakes that cost this country and there wasn’t a spending bill he didn’t like.

Gasket said:
Another duck from the senile old man. Yes, officials have verified it’s veracity. Who has verified it’s a fake? Answer that one, you sponge brained neanderthal.

Right here are three. Posted once again for even the densest clown. Dumbass.

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/third-hawaiian-official-denies.html

Three HAWAII OFFICIALS CLAIM THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE DOES NOT EXIST.

Hey gasket, dumbass, can you read it this time? Three HAWAII OFFICIALS . THREE. Your boy is a fraud.

Gasket said:
Seriously, you could save us all the time by posting what I requested. It’s asinine to infer that Obama and Obama’s campaign are different entities. I really haven’t clicked on any of your links. I have read almost every far-fetched birther conspiracy there is. If what I request is in there, it should be easy for you. Quote the section of the Constitution they cited, then post it on here for all to see.

I’ve already done this several pages back. I’m not going to keep repeating it just because one person has the reading skills of a 1rst grader! So, every campaign worker is Barry himself? How is that not separate then? Do you think Barry knows EVERYTHING that every worker in his campaign is doing? If you say yes, then Barry knew Rev Wright was a black racist, he knew Timmy was a tax evader, he knew his “good friend” in Hawaii like to visit prostitutes. Do you really want to open that can of worms?

pinkpanther said:
Show me where Barry used that fake COLB to get a passport or a driver’s license?

Here’s something for you to mull over. Show me how he got a passport and driver’s license without a ligitimate COLB? The last person I asked suggested he only possesses a foreign passport as POTUS. Where do you stand?

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Here’s something for you to mull over. Show me how he got a passport and driver’s license without a ligitimate COLB? The last person I asked suggested he only possesses a foreign passport as POTUS. Where do you stand?

A COLB is not a certified birth certificate. A COLB is simply a “certificate of live birth” and doesn’t have near the information (or seal) of an official, certified BC. Now, Barry simply could have used his REAL certified birth certificate (again this is NOT a COLB) to get whatever he needed. Please, now answer me this. Explain how the COLB is proof of anything when Barry’s younger sister, who was born in Indonesia, has a Hawaiian COLB?

The new liberal defence: Now 0bama can’t even show his long form if he wanted to. It’s against the law! LOL. Hey gasket, another example of how to use the contraction it’s!

Too think for me, sorry.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
You mean just like the right did with Bush? Those demands?

This is a typical liberal response. Dodge the question by yelling: “It’s Bush’s fault!”. I didn’t ask about Bush I asked about Obama so please answer the question.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Too think for me, sorry.

ellie is back as ECR. Why do you clowns have so many screen names? LOL.

ndanielson said:
ellie is back as ECR. Why do you clowns have so many screen names? LOL.

The suffer from multiple personality disorders along with other mental illnesses?

Why do liberals believe the Hawaiian officials who verify the BC, but disbelieve the ones who say it does not exist? Tommy? ellie? crapweasel®​ ?, gasket? Anyone?

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/third-hawaiian-official-denies.html

pinkpanther says:
April 11, 2011 at 6:16 pm pinkpanther(Quote)
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Tedderman said:
I’m telling you dude, once the Obaman was elected he used presidential privilege to order Col. Jack O’Neil and the SG-1 team to use alien time travel technology and go back through the”Stargate” to Hawaii in August 1961. Once there they entered Obama’s birth notices in the newspapers but since there were no computers at the time they had to approximate the day and time of his birth. Man you birthers are persistent and ignorant too.

You post that delusional crap and call birthers ignorant? Pot meet kettle.
Honestly, you really don’t understand humor and you call me ignorant? Even CDCohio gave me thumbs up yesterday and said, “I knew that show was real.” And before you ask if I used a time machine to post this comment yesterday, I did so re: another thread,GEESH!
Tomorrow I’ll show you “condescension.”

pinkpanther said:
Hmmm..I must really be making you scared because the name calling has increased (personally I find nerdrage entertaining). Again, reading comprehension FTW! He did NOT release his long, form certified birth certificate.

You have said time and time again that the document is fake. Who verified it was a fake? (some internet blogger does not count — there are many people on the internet who can justify or “prove” pedophilia is great) You said the Hawaii health department did, which is a lie. I linked you an ABC report saying the exact opposite and gave you a specific name of the official who verified it’s veracity. You lied…basically.

*Someone* in his camp released a fake COLB (certificate of live birth-btw,

Let me assume the document is a fake for a second , why isn’t Obama or any of his acolytes in jail for orchestrating that fraud? Answer that. Also, can you show ANY official record verifying the expose of this “fraudulent” document. Police department, FBI, Secret Service, DHS….anything.

you never answered my question as to how Barry’s younger sister ended up with a Hawaii COLB even though she was born in Indonesia and yet Barry’s is legitimate?).

His sister was born 9 YEARS after Obama. Hawaii had already changed it’s laws by then to allow BCs for peopel like her. (I have to verify that) Also, COLBs issued to American citizens born abroad will indicate on the COLB where they were born. For Ng Soetoro, Obama’s sister, that will be Jakarta. Obama’s clearly says where he was born. So, your little theory here just vaporized.

I’ve already provided several links stating that the COLB released was fake. Again, it’s not my fault if you have no reading skills.

I didn’t tell you to provide me just ANY evidence from any crackpot source you oaf. I want an official repudiation from a govt agency or a govt official. I want a name too. You also can’t seem to answer why charges have not been filed against those people issuing fake BCs.

Gaaaaaasssskket:

ndanielson said:
Why do liberals believe the Hawaiian officials who verify the BC, but disbelieve the ones who say it does not exist? Tommy? ellie? crapweasel®​ ?, gasket? Anyone?

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/third-hawaiian-official-denies.html

Tedderman said:
pinkpanther says:
April 11, 2011 at 6:16 pm pinkpanther(Quote)
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Tedderman said:
I’m telling you dude, once the Obaman was elected he used presidential privilege to order Col. Jack O’Neil and the SG-1 team to use alien time travel technology and go back through the”Stargate” to Hawaii in August 1961. Once there they entered Obama’s birth notices in the newspapers but since there were no computers at the time they had to approximate the day and time of his birth. Man you birthers are persistent and ignorant too.

What you are trying to pass off as “humor” is simply trolling and delusional. It’s a sign of a serious mental disorder and something you shouldn’t ignore.
You post that delusional crap and call birthers ignorant? Pot meet kettle.
Honestly, you really don’t understand humor and you call me ignorant? Even CDCohio gave me thumbs up yesterday and said, “I knew that show was real.” And before you ask if I used a time machine to post this comment yesterday, I did so re: another thread,GEESH!
Tomorrow I’ll show you “condescension.”

Gasket said:
You have said time and time again that the document is fake. Who verified it was a fake? (some internet blogger does not count — there are many people on the internet who can justify or “prove” pedophilia is great) You said the Hawaii health department did, which is a lie. I linked you an ABC report saying the exact opposite and gave you a specific name of the official who verified it’s veracity. You lied…basically.

Let me assume the document is a fake for a second , why isn’t Obama or any of his acolytes in jail for orchestrating that fraud? Answer that. Also, can you show ANY official record verifying the expose of this “fraudulent” document. Police department, FBI, Secret Service, DHS….anything.

Ok, you show me yours and I’ll show you mine. Release Obama’s long form certified birth certificate, his college records, his social security, his passport. By the way, it’s grasping at straws to discount my sources by saying their “crackpot”, nothing you have shown or linked has any more credibility (please ABC? You think Fox News is dishonest, they have nothing on ABC).

His sister was born 9 YEARS after Obama. Hawaii had already changed it’s laws by then to allow BCs for peopel like her. (I have to verify that) Also, COLBs issued to American citizens born abroad will indicate on the COLB where they were born. For Ng Soetoro, Obama’s sister, that will be Jakarta. Obama’s clearly says where he was born. So, your little theory here just vaporized.

I didn’t tell you to provide me just ANY evidence from any crackpot source you oaf. I want an official repudiation from a govt agency or a govt official. I want a name too. You also can’t seem to answer why charges have not been filed against those people issuing fake BCs.

pinkpanther said:
A COLB is not a certified birth certificate. A COLB is simply a “certificate of live birth” and doesn’t have near the information (or seal) of an official, certified BC.

Actually it is, and it has all those things (raised seal, official’s signature) you claim it doesn’t have. LOL.
BTW, here’s a photo of a “long form” BC.
http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/longform.jpg
Guess what it says at the top….gasp…Certificate Of Live Birth. You lose.

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/chanise-foxx-free-republic-freerepublic-com-march7-2010-i-helped-obama-campaign-staffer-divorah-adler-create-a-fake-birth-certificate-fact-check-colb/

“My name is Chanise Foxx. I work at a office supply store in Kenwood, IL. After nearly 3 years of silence and death threats to me and my family to stay quiet, I am compelled to come forward and tell the world my secret.
“I helped Obama campaign staffer Divorah Adler create a fake birth certificate for use in the famous Fact Check story to prove the world of Obama’s birth in the 2008 election. Divorah approached me in early 2007 and held onto the birth certificate until she released it in August 2008.
“As I’ve been making fake IDs part-time for local college students for about eight years now, faking a birth certificate was actually quite easy. Our first step was to get our hands on someone else’s birth certificate from Hawaii. We then created the stationary to match.
“Next, we had to create an embossed stamp and rubber signature stamp for Hawaiian officials. With the help of a high-resolution scanner at the store, I did most of my work at night when the place was vacant…””

DOH indirectly confirms: Factcheck COLB date filed and certificate number impossible
Butterdezillion | Feb 23, 2010 | Butterdezillion

Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:02:16 AM by butterdezillion

I’ve updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar’s office and the day they do that is the “Date filed by state registrar”.

The pertinent portion from Okubo’s e-mail:

In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.

MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).

There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).

There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.

Gasket said:
Actually it is, and it has all those things (raised seal, official’s signature) you claim it doesn’t have. LOL.
BTW, here’s a photo of a “long form” BC.
http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/longform.jpg
Guess what it says at the top….gasp…Certificate Of Live Birth. You lose.

Hmm…I love it when liberals make themselves look dumber than usual. A COLB “certificate of live birth” is NOT A CERTIFIED COPY OF A STATE ISSUED BIRTH CERTIFICATE! Maybe the caps will help penetrate that fact into your thick skull.

ndanielson said:
Why do liberals believe the Hawaiian officials who verify the BC, but disbelieve the ones who say it does not exist? Tommy? ellie? crapweasel®​ ?, gasket? Anyone?

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/third-hawaiian-official-denies.html

Oh, Gaaaaaaaaassssket. Are some Hawaiian officials more trustworthy than others??? Are liberal Hawaiian officials the arbiters of truth more than, say, any others???

ndanielson said:
Gaaaaaasssskket:

Really? That happened in January, we are in April and nothing new has happened? Congressional hearings perhaps? LOL. Remember, you birthers have to prove that the released COLB is a fake. You have not done that and are failing miserably at it.

Gasket said:
Actually it is, and it has all those things (raised seal, official’s signature) you claim it doesn’t have. LOL.
BTW, here’s a photo of a “long form” BC.
http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/longform.jpg
Guess what it says at the top….gasp…Certificate Of Live Birth. You lose.

Btw, that wasn’t Barry’s long form certified birth certificate so…..yay you lose.

pinkpanther says:
April 11, 2011 at 6:56 pm pinkpanther(Quote)
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Tedderman said:
pinkpanther says:
April 11, 2011 at 6:16 pm pinkpanther(Quote)

Oh, I’m delusional, well thanks for the diagnosis doctor. Oh and thanks again, now I have nothing for you tomorrow.

Tedderman said:
pinkpanther says:
April 11, 2011 at 6:56 pm pinkpanther(Quote)
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Tedderman said:
pinkpanther says:
April 11, 2011 at 6:16 pm pinkpanther(Quote)

Oh, I’m delusional, well thanks for the diagnosis doctor. Oh and thanks again, now I have nothing for you tomorrow.

Thank goodness, maybe the adults can talk then!

Hey Donald! Go on television and offer a “birth certificate beer summit” to 0bama. He should switch places with LTC Lakin when he cannot produce it. Along with his complicit “Hawaiian officials”. Boy Gov. Abercrombie sure went silent fast.

Gasket said:
Really? That happened in January, we are in April and nothing new has happened? Congressional hearings perhaps? LOL. Remember, you birthers have to prove that the released COLB is a fake. You have not done that and are failing miserably at it.

Trump is succeeding spectacularly at it. Three officials say it doesn’t exist! LOL. 0bama should be sitting where LTC Lakin is sitting. Bring it, Donald!

And you have not answered why your officials have more clout than three who have sworn affidavits to the contrary of his alleged BC’s existence. Give it a go, Gasket.

Why did Barry sign an executive order (one of the first things he did) if he wasn’t hiding something? Anyone want to answer this one?

The Mistakes Of The Obama COLB Cult.

1. A Hawaiian COLB, is NOT Primae Facie Evidence Of Birth Place For A Foreign National On The Year 1961.
2. A Hawaiian COLB, Does NOT Show Place Of Birth For A Foreign National On The Year 1961.
3. One of the most common errors, is to compare 1961 Hawaiian Law, With more recent years of Hawaiian Law, which is like trying to mix water and oil.
4. Obama by his own free volition, proffered a COLB To The American Public as suggested evidence congruous with The U.S. Constitution. This is known as Presumptive Evidence and there is the owed duty to validate such Presumptive Evidence with Conclusive Evidence or Prima facie Evidence. When applying for employment as a U.S. President by the dictums of The U.S. Constitution, one cannot substitute; A) Newspaper Articles, B) The Book, ‘Dreams From My Father’, or C) COLB ~ for a Vault Birth Certificate.
5. Obama to date, has signed an executive order 13489 prohibiting any of the following to be released for validation ~ yet 13489 may contain weaknesses, in that he has already spent over $2 Million in fighting transparency upon the same.

* Actual long-form birth certificate (NOT an easily-forged electronic copy of a short-form COLB document which is not Prima facie evidence)
* Passport files
* University of Chicago Law School scholarly articles
* Harvard Law Review articles
* Harvard Law School records
* Columbia University records
* Columbia University senior thesis, “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament”
* Occidental College records, including financial aid that he may have received
* Punahou School records, where Mr. Obama attended from the fifth grade until he finished high school
* Noelani Elementary School records, where Barack Obama attended kindergarten (according to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a birth certificate to register — but parents may bring a passport or student visa if the child is from a foreign country)
* Complete files and schedules of his years as an Illinois state senator from 1997 to 2004
* Obama’s client list from during his time in private practice with the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard
* Illinois State Bar Association records
* Baptism records
* Obama/Dunham marriage license
* Obama/Dunham divorce documents
* Soetoro/Dunham marriage license
* Soetero/Dunham Adoption records

I don’t care about the birth certificate. But what about all of the other missing records?

Remember,

Barack Obama was the only president of the Harvard Law Review to graduate without penning a signed article in that esteemed journal. His academic transcripts remain under lock and key, as do his academic papers no academic records for Obama have ever been released.

Student records at Mentung No. 1 public school in Jakarta, Indonesia – Not released
Hawaii elementary school records – Not released.
Punahou High School records – Not released
SAT score – Not released
Occidental College records – Not released
Columbia College records – Not released
Columbia thesis – Not released
Harvard College records – Not released
Harvard Law Review articles – None
LSAT score – not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles – None found.
Medical Records – None released.

His records as a State Senator have been “lost”.

No records from when he was a lawyer, (perhaps because those all say Barry Soetoro on them, his legal name?).

When is a mainstream media reporter going to explain why all of these records have been suppressed, and why team Obama has spent a fortune in legal fees to keep them suppressed? If Obama has nothing to hide, release the damn records already.

This is getting ridiculous, and I for one, am tired of being told I’m odd for wanting to see this information. How so? The press demanded all of this from every previous president (except for Clinton’s health records about which they were curiously disinterested.)

We have so little faith in the press as it is and they are losing what credibility they have left by continuing to stonewall on all of these issues.

ndanielson said:
ellie is back as ECR. Why do you clowns have so many screen names? LOL.

I don’t know. It changes on it’s own and I haven’t been able to do anything about it. This site won’t let me sign out and when I leave the site doesn’t keep me signed in. When I try to sign back in it takes 4 or 5 attempts before it will accept. I have a photo selected yet it won’t show it. And it switches from my full name to my nickname (ellie) all on it’s own. Plus I don’t find the site particularly poster friendly. It’s generally a pain in the ass but I like the site so I put up with it.

If anyone has any thoughts about how to fix these problems I’d love to know. Thanks for caring :)

Gasket said:
Really? That happened in January, we are in April and nothing new has happened? Congressional hearings perhaps? LOL. Remember, you birthers have to prove that the released COLB is a fake. You have not done that and are failing miserably at it.

Actually what is being proven is that the BC doesn’t exist. That would prove the COLB to be what it is, by default, a FRAUD. LOL.

Third Hawaiian Official Denies Existence of Birth Certificate: ‘Obama Not Born In Hawaii’
Former Hawaiian Senior Elections Clerk, Tim Adams, Provides Sworn Affidavit Indicating Obama was Not Born In Hawaii – And Joins Hawaiian Governor and Former DPH Chairman, Brian Schatz, As List of Eyewitnesses To Shocking Roster of Mounting Evidence Against Obama Grows.

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/third-hawaiian-official-denies.html

pinkpanther says:
April 11, 2011 at 7:03 pm pinkpanther(Quote)
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http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/chanise-foxx-free-republic-freerepublic-com-march7-2010-i-helped-obama-campaign-staffer-divorah-adler-create-a-fake-birth-certificate-fact-check-colb/

“My name is Chanise Foxx. I work at a office supply store in Kenwood, IL. After nearly 3 years of silence and death threats to me and my family to stay quiet, I am compelled to come forward and tell the world my secret

OK, Pinky, you win, that shit’s way funnier than my “Stargate” FAKE story. Your FAKE,”I worked at an office supply store” story blows mine away, really funny stuff!

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
I don’t know. It changes on it’s own and I haven’t been able to do anything about it. This site won’t let me sign out and when I leave the site doesn’t keep me signed in. When I try to sign back in it takes 4 or 5 attempts before it will accept. I have a photo selected yet it won’t show it. And it switches from my full name to my nickname (ellie) all on it’s own. Plus I don’t find the site particularly poster friendly. It’s generally a pain in the ass but I like the site so I put up with it.

If anyone has any thoughts about how to fix these problems I’d love to know. Thanks for caring :)

Your computer skills are as good as your critical thinking skills. I say that because I care. If you think it through, you can do it!

So this again proves my point that Barry’s younger sister got a Hawaii COLB but yet Barry’s is supposed to be “proof”?

Here is cut and paste of Hawaiian legal statute §338-17.8 proving that Obama could get a Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii AND be born in Kenya:

State of Hawaii Statute §338-17.8 Certificates for children born out of State. [[or out of country]]
(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]”

Everybody get that?

As long as an adult can walk into Hawaii’s version of the Department of Records and provide proof that they are a legal resident of Hawaii, the document is issued.

The child, on the other hand, could have been born in Hawaii, Kenya, or a back-alley in Budapest.

How much more proof do you disciples of the Messiah need before you will admit that there are legitimate reasons to demand answers on this issue?

Tommy,
A COLB is equivalent to a long-form birth certificate, as a stripped down Kia is to a top of the line Cadillac. I’d like the Cadillac, please.

Also, I think you missed part of the Hawaiian law HRS 338-13 you quote. The balance says:

Ҥ338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]”

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
I don’t know. It changes on it’s own and I haven’t been able to do anything about it. This site won’t let me sign out and when I leave the site doesn’t keep me signed in. When I try to sign back in it takes 4 or 5 attempts before it will accept. I have a photo selected yet it won’t show it. And it switches from my full name to my nickname (ellie) all on it’s own. Plus I don’t find the site particularly poster friendly. It’s generally a pain in the ass but I like the site so I put up with it.

If anyone has any thoughts about how to fix these problems I’d love to know. Thanks for caring :)

Check the box to “delete your local avatar” and put one there. Have a little patience when signing out, and uncheck keep me signed in, as it is tied to your IP.

ndanielson said:
Your computer skills are as good as your critical thinking skills. I say that because I care. If you think it through, you can do it!

Thanks for nothing …. as usual.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Thanks for nothing …. as usual.

ndanielson said:
Check the box to “delete your local avatar” and put one there. Have a little patience when signing out, and uncheck keep me signed in, as it is tied to your IP.

It will probably default to your last used name on your IP. Thanks for your graciousness, as usual.

ndanielson said:
Check the box to “delete your local avatar” and put one there. Have a little patience when signing out, and uncheck keep me signed in, as it is tied to your IP.

I’ve done that… it still doesn’t show up… although one day it did show up for about 10 minutes then disappeared again on its own.

pinkpanther said:
I’ve already done this several pages back. I’m not going to keep repeating it just because one person has the reading skills of a 1rst grader! So, every campaign worker is Barry himself? How is that not separate then? Do you think Barry knows EVERYTHING that every worker in his campaign is doing? If you say yes, then Barry knew Rev Wright was a black racist, he knew Timmy was a tax evader, he knew his “good friend” in Hawaii like to visit prostitutes. Do you really want to open that can of worms?

You keep deflecting. Yes, Obama is responsible for what people in HIS Presidential campaign do or say on his behalf. Idiot. How’s that tea-logic working out for you?

ndanielson said:
Trump is succeeding spectacularly at it. Three officials say it doesn’t exist! LOL. 0bama should be sitting where LTC Lakin is sitting. Bring it, Donald!

And you have not answered why your officials have more clout than three who have sworn affidavits to the contrary of his alleged BC’s existence. Give it a go, Gasket.

You provided NO evidence. Zero. “My” officials as you call them — produced a document that NOBODY with a scintilla of credibility has challenged its veracity. My proof? The people who provided the document are not facing any charges of criminal misconduct or sanctions for producing the “fake” document. Govt officials are on MY side. The courts are on MY side. The FACTS are on MY side, dummy. The people on your side are the crazies, nutjobs and whackos. People who lack intelligence or any form of rational thinking. Your boy Lakin, a respected military guy, got his ass court-martialled and CONVICTED for his birther nonsense. The US Supreme Court has thrown out the BS birther nonsense — TWICE…as well as several federal courts. I am very comfortable with my position. Donald is becoming a laughing stock! Why do you think he keeps throwing hissy fits and childish tantrums when he’s called out for the buffoon he is? LOL

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pinkpanther said:
Btw, that wasn’t Barry’s long form certified birth certificate so…..yay you lose.

I never said it was, you strawman puller. I was showing you that the so called “authentic” birth certificate — the long form variety — is still called a “certificate of live birth.” Basically, I was disabusing your dubious prattling, once again. LOL.

Not giving up on providing evidence of the US Constitution’s definition of natural born citizenship, are you?

ndanielson said:
It will probably default to your last used name on your IP. Thanks for your graciousness, as usual.

Oh you mean like your initial gracious response. Hypocrite.
“Your computer skills are as good as your critical thinking skills.”

ellie said:
I’ve done that… it still doesn’t show up… although one day it did show up for about 10 minutes then disappeared again on its own.

Make sure you only have one mediaite tab open…Go to profile. Check delete your local avatar. Press update profile. Browse…choose it. Press update profile.

ellie said:
“Your computer skills are as good as your critical thinking skills.”

They are. Not my fault.

Gasket said:
You provided NO evidence. Zero. “My” officials as you call them — produced a document that NOBODY with a scintilla of credibility has challenged its veracity. My proof? The people who provided the document are not facing any charges of criminal misconduct or sanctions for producing the “fake” document. Govt officials are on MY side. The courts are on MY side. The FACTS are on MY side, dummy. Th…

That is why Mr. Trump has called it one of the biggest scams of all time. Genius. Who knew?

ndanielson said:
Actually what is being proven is that the BC doesn’t exist. That would prove the COLB to be what it is, by default, a FRAUD. LOL.

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/third-hawaiian-official-denies.html

This is a waste of time. Note: I am not reading BS “evidence” from blogs. Get me something from a credible news outlet or objective fact-checker, or statement from a LEO or government agency or office.

JohnnyS said:
Ҥ338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

That is exactly what a COLB is. It is the certified copy of the Birth Certificate. Dense..dense..dense.

ndanielson said:
They are. Not my fault.

That is why Mr. Trump has called it one of the biggest scams of all time. Genius. Who knew?

Argumentum ad ignorantium.

ndanielson said:
You provided NO evidence. Zero. “My” officials as you call them — produced a document that NOBODY with a scintilla of credibility

Yep, those Hawaiian officials

Former Hawaiian Senior Elections Clerk, Tim Adams, Provides Sworn Affidavit Indicating Obama was Not Born In Hawaii – And Joins Hawaiian Governor and Former DPH Chairman, Brian Schatz…

don’t even have a scintilla of credibility! Depends on what a scintilla is, huh?

And then there is:

Recall, [a] January 13th interview with the Star Advertiser, current Hawaiian governor, Neil Abercrombie also indicated that his month-long search for Obama’s original bona fides among the municipal throngs strongly suggested that there is no original documentation for Obama’s birth held on file by the state of Hawaii, except for an archive of an alleged registration notation issued by the registrar in 1961. Hawaii’s communications officer, Janice Okubo, confirmed Abercrombie’s statement by saying that the Registrar’s Office maintains a public collection of birth registrations and Obama’s name appears in them. However, it has long since been proven that Hawaii’s birth registration process includes foreign births when the parents claim a Hawaiian residence. A record of registration is not necessarily an indication of a Hawaiian birth under the provisions of HRS 338-17.7 and 17.8.

Wow, the Governor is not credible??? LOL.

Try again, Tommy, because it ain’t working for you and the rest of the Obama Statist Media!

And from wiki:

In late January 2011, Abercrombie abandoned his efforts to release additional birth records because privacy laws barred him from doing so without Obama’s consent.

Hey, Gasket, there is a LAW that says no one has access to 0bama’s alleged birth certificate WITHOUT 0bama’s EXPLICIT permission. Maybe that is why your BOY ain’t in jail. It’s the LAW. Not to mention liberal clowns like you. You clowns seem to be just fine with, or oblivious to this silly LAW?

Holy Cow! I checked this thread three times today and the same handful of people have driven it to almost 500 comments! Is Soros paying people to sit on their asses all day long and comment on blogs?

Of course a slackjaw little rat like Tommy Christopher lies right out of the gate:

“While Hawaii state officials have sworn that the certified copy is a valid and true copy of the original birth certificate,”

Nope. Never happened. So much for your “Debunkers Guide”, tommy you buffoon. Those short form “Certifications” weren’t even in use until the 80′s. Dishonest little kvnts like Tommy need a good beating.

Pinkpanther,

Man, you can not even think on your own.Copy and pasting PrisonPlanet BS word for word? LOL.

Foreigners can get certificates.
http://gen.doh.hawaii.gov/sites/har/AdmRules1/11-120.pdf (make sure you scroll all the way to the bottom)
It’s not prima facie evidence for US citizenship. They also can not get BIRTH certificates showing they were born in the USA or HI for that matter! That statute is mainly for adopted children (read below.)

About that COLB..(Hawaii Statutes)

§338-13(b) Certified copies.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

Also, you birthers should read this….
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0007.htm
…and this.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0020_0005.htm
Basically, even kids (or adults) who are adopted (foreign born, or out of state) who get HI birth certificates, it has to state the country where they were born on the record. Obama’s says he was born in Honolulu. Unless, HI is a foreign country, then you may have an argument.

Case closed.

“The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” ~ Barack Hussein Obama

Colorado_Conservative said:
“The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” ~ Barack Hussein Obama

mmm, mmm. mmm.

As long as an adult can walk into Hawaii’s version of the Department of Records and provide proof that they are a legal resident of Hawaii, the document is issued.

Right Pinky, and as long as they can reason that the President or his family knew he was going to run for the Presidency 48 years after his name appeared in Hawaiin newspaper birth notices,then they can use a statute that did not come into existance until 1982. Woah, there’s that time travel thing again, how do you reason that one Pinky?
And just how does someone who goes by the “nom de guerre” of Pink Panther” presume to tell someone else he’s on a site with other adults?
“Felix qui potuit rerum cognescere causas”

None of this covers the fact that Obama could make all the speculation go away with one stroke… yet he has calculated it is better to be obtuse than transparent about any of his past records.

No BC
No Grades
No test scores

Nothing.

Why?

Keep asking Donald… there is something there.

You forgot (or deliberately ignored) the fact that Hawaii’s statue provides for a COLB for residents who give birth out of state (or country!):

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.

(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

The COLB, without any details of doctor or hospital proves nothing about the location of his birth, only his mothers legal residency in the state.

This is disappointing but scarcely surprising, given the sorry state of American journalism. Rather than cobbling together handbooks on how to debunk birthers, anyone truly interested in the truth would be urging Mr. Obama to stop stonewalling and to release whatever records are needed to put an end to this growing controversy. The latest excuse, that he could not even if he would, because Hawaii state law forbids it, is laughable People who believe that will believe anything. The controversy is not going away. It is growing all the time. There is no possible solution exception for Mr. Obama to stop hiding whatever he is hiding from Americans and make all of his records available to the public. There is much more than the birth certificate that Americans need to see. Almost everything about Mr. Obama seems to have been kept secret, Americans know remarkably little about the man they chose for their president.

People whether they have opinions on his birthplace or not, need to ask themselves one simple question. What kind of person sitting in such a high office toys with the American people this way? What kind of people in other offices, Military, Supreme Court, and Congress allow that person to do it? The fact is, he is in a position of power and trust. I don’t think it’s asking a hell of a lot for him to release records so people can know his true background. For this reason alone, he isn’t fit to be where he is.

Just out of curiosity why are so many people willing to believe a known liar?

I think Mr. Trump is showing tremendous leadership by doing what he’s doing. We have an 18 year Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, MD in prison right now because a man won’t sure proof of his birth. This doctor had to do this before he deployed. He followed proper procedures. He personally wrote the White House. He wrote his superiors, he wrote Senator John Kyl. He honored his oath to the United States Constitution, not a man. This is how he is treated. Now everyone is treating Mr. Trump this way?

Here is a newspaper article from 1952. General Dwight D. Eisenhower’s Official Birth Certificate Filed. I guess he had nothing to hide. But Barry Soetoro is above it all?
Scroll to page 4.
http://news.google.com/newspapers/p/deseret_news?nid=Aul-kAQHnToC&dat=19521002&printsec=frontpage

Since we know so little about this man, this may be his true father.
http://octaman.com/comments/MalcolmO.html
Look at the chin, nose, mannerisms.

If this isn’t your battle fine. Leave those who are trying to save this country alone.

ndanielson said:
Make sure you only have one mediaite tab open…Go to profile. Check delete your local avatar. Press update profile. Browse…choose it. Press update profile.

While I really appreciate your help …. I’ve done that quite a number of times. Doesn’t work. Also I think the problem is my signing up here using my Facebook account. I think the problem lies somewhere with that. This site does not allow me to unsub so I can’t even dump the account and start over again. I’ve even tried signing up for a new account using a different email address just to end the bs with this account. Even using ie which I hate instead of google chrome. The site just remembered this account so it’s connected to my ip address. This is the only site I’ve ever had these problems with … but getting rid of this account and starting over is not an option it seems … so I just put up with what I’ve got. Thanks for the help tho.

Hey Tommy, how come Barry’s using a stolen CT-issued social security number? Checked it myself in the Selective Service database. Anyone can view it. Where’s your “debunker’s guide” on that, you corrupt little felch?

The Weather Underground has had plans for years to infiltrate the government and destroy America from within. Barack Obama started his Senate career in the home of William Ayers(Just a guy in the neighborhood.) Ayers has been to the White House. Here is a poem taken from Bill Ayers blog.

“The end of an empire is messy at best
And this empire is ending
Like all the rest
Like the Spanish Armada adrift on the sea
We’re adrift in the land of the brave
And the home of the free
Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.”
Now why would Chicago educator unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers quote this poem on his blog this month?  Do you think he knows something, or hopes for something that we don’t?

Here is a video of former FBI agent Larry Grathwohl. He infiltrated the Weathermen. He talks about their plans for America in this short video. This is who put Obama in the White House along with others. If you’re happy with him being there keep attacking and ridiculing those who are trying to get to the bottom of who he really is. If not, leave the “Birthers” including Donald Trump alone. Maybe you should thank him.

http://youtu.be/HWMIwziGrAQ

To aprilnovember811:
Thank you for mentioning Lt. Col. Terry Lakin…We should never forget this brave man!!

All it would have taken was for Obama to provide his legitimate birth certificate and this brave man would not be in a Military prison right now!!! Makes me sick that our disgusting so called commander in chief betrayed this decorated man!!

I hope like hell Trump brings this issue up and makes it well known!!!

“Unless Eric Cantor changes the law, a photograph or photocopy of Barack Obama’s original birth certificate is not permitted under any circumstances. Barack Obama himself couldn’t release a photograph of the original record.”

Huh? What? Then how did Mrs. Nordyke get ahold of her twins’ certificates? They were born a day after Obama in the same hospital, but of course, his serial number is after theirs for some inexplicable reason.

Here’s the mama proudly showing the stats!!! Did she do something illegal??

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347

Oh really? He has no access to his long-form birth certificate from Hawaii? What about the one he talks about in “Dreams of My Father?” Moreover, I believe the whole birth certificate debacle may be nothing more than a shell game of BHO’s design–which he has paid over a million dollars to propagate. If he keeps everyone focused on the lack of birth certificate (which he certainly never has to produce), he can keep the focus off the fact that the historical definition of “natural born citizen” is “one who is born on our soil to two citizen parents.”

This definition is found in Vattel’s “Law of Nations,” which the framers not only reference in the Constitution, but also affirm. It is the only definition of the term this nation has ever had–and it is still a requirement in the Constitution, which is the highest law of our land. And, the only way it could be changed would be by an Amendment (which still hasn’t happened).

Since we all know that his father was never a citizen, this is the silver bullet that Obama has likely paid untold sums to keep everyone from bringing up (by keeping them on a wild goose chase for the birth certificate). But, I suppose we’ll continue to hear the moronic drivel of the likes of Shepard Smith, Bill O’Reilly, and Neal Boortz, who pretend to have a depth of intellect of which they can only dream. Natural born is a two-sided requirement (mud and blood). While we still don’t know if BHO fulfills one side (since we haven’t seen any REAL documentation), we KNOW that he can never fulfill the other side. Case closed . . . he’s been ineligible since the day he was born.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=285921

Several other people have gotten their copies from Hawaii, too. Fukino said something that was completely false.

aprilnovember811 said:
Ayers has been to the White House.

Have you got a link to support this?

Natural born citizen requires TWO parents who are American citizens, and individual must be born in U.S. or its possessions. Obama Sr. was a Kenyan and citizen of a British colony, making him a British citizen. Therefore, both his parents were NOT U.S. citizens. Add to that the fact that his stepfather Soetoro adopted him so he could attend school as a citizen of Indonesia, and his U.S. Citizenship was forfeited. No record exists of his mother applying for U.S. Citizenship after her divorce from Soetoro and return to Hawaii, but even if she did and was successful, that would have made Obama a NATURALIZED citizen. Also, records exist of Obama traveling to Pakistan using an INDONESIAN passport. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter one wit WHERE Obama was born…. Even if he truly was born in Hawaii, HIS FATHER’S CITIZENSHIP AND HIS STEPFATHER’S ADOPTION PRECLUDE HIM FROM BEING A NATURAL BORN U.S. CITIZEN!!! Wake up and smell the coffee!!

There… it was already raised..
So what if he was born in the US??
By Illegal alien parents, or visitors, or possibly by parentage other than stated..
There are other considerations.

Teleologicus said:
The latest excuse, that he could not even if he would, because Hawaii state law forbids it, is laughable

It’s not an excuse, you ignorant buffoon. It is state law. Read the state’s statutes.

jrmd said:
Natural born citizen requires TWO parents who are American citizens, and individual must be born in U.S. or its possessions.

Where does it say so in the US Constitution? You know, the document that spells out the qualifications for the President! Quote it here.

jrmd said:
Add to that the fact that his stepfather Soetoro adopted him so he could attend school as a citizen of Indonesia, and his U.S. Citizenship was forfeited

An American minor can NOT relinquish his/her US citizenship. Even the child’s parent(s) can not do that. It is US federal law. Let me know if you need me to cite it.

jrmd said:
Also, records exist of Obama traveling to Pakistan using an INDONESIAN passport.

What records? Please, post them. Why would he need an Indonesian passport while he holds an American one?

jrmd said:
Ultimately, it doesn’t matter one wit WHERE Obama was born…

It obviously does…otherwise, you wouldn’t be lying about it!

jrmd said:
HIS FATHER’S CITIZENSHIP AND HIS STEPFATHER’S ADOPTION PRECLUDE HIM FROM BEING A NATURAL BORN U.S. CITIZEN!!!

You should stop abusing methamphetamines. Obama was born in the USA. You know…we do have the document to prove it. BTW, read the 14th amendment. You do not even need an American parent to be citizen. It’s citizenship obtained by virtue of being born here. Clueless.

ellie said:
Have you got a link to support this?

He hasn’t. There has been an Ayers to the White House but not the infamous Ayers. This was debunked awhile ago.

LibertyJane said:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=285921

Several other people have gotten their copies from Hawaii, too. Fukino said something that was completely false.

Fukino was stating state law.
BTW, that link has a lot of falsehoods. One of them says that the birth certificate must show the parent’s place(s) of birth for it to be considered “valid” or prima facie evidence of US citizenship as far as getting a new passport is concerned. That is false. It just requires their names to be on it. Obama’s COLB is legit.
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/passport_5401.html (birth certificate requirements for passport)

aprilnovember811 said:
People whether they have opinions on his birthplace or not, need to ask themselves one simple question. What kind of person sitting in such a high office toys with the American people this way? What kind of people in other offices, Military, Supreme Court, and Congress allow that person to do it? The fact is, he is in a position of power and trust. I don’t think it’s asking a hell of a lot for him to release records so people can know his true background. For this reason alone, he isn’t fit to be where he is. Just out of curiosity why are so many people willing to believe a known liar? I think Mr. Trump is showing tremendous leadership by doing what he’s doing. We have an 18 year Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, MD in prison right now because a man won’t sure proof of his birth. This doctor had to do this before he deployed. He followed proper procedures. He personally wrote the White House. He wrote his superiors, he wrote Senator John Kyl. He honored his oath to the United States Constitution, not a man. This is how he is treated. Now everyone is treating Mr. Trump this way? Here is a newspaper article from 1952. General Dwight D. Eisenhower’s Official Birth Certificate Filed. I guess he had nothing to hide. But Barry Soetoro is above it all?Scroll to page 4.http://news.google.com/newspapers/p/deseret_news?nid=Aul-kAQHnToC&dat=19521002&printsec=frontpage Since we know so little about this man, this may be his true father.http://octaman.com/comments/MalcolmO.htmlLook at the chin, nose, mannerisms. If this isn’t your battle fine. Leave those who are trying to save this country alone.

First off- President has released his Certificate of Live Birth, the document that Hawaii gives to everyone nowadays to prove their birth in Hawaii. There are pictures of it at factcheck.org. It has embossed stamp and the signature stamp of the states registrar.
Secondly, there is quite a bit known about the president. Even more when you read his books/ And if he were Malcolm X son, he would have two citizen parents, as Malcolm X was a US citizen.
Third, when people talk about someone like President Eisenhower’s birth certificate being available, does anyone stop to think that the laws were different then concerning birth records and a lot of other things to! There are so many reasons rants like yours are just so false and very disingenuous too. The fact comes down to there are a whole bunch of people who hate the fact that there is a black man in the white house and they can’t say that so they say everything else. Ridiculous!!
And his step-father didn’t adopt him. His father was still alive and did not relinquish his parental rights. His father went to Hawaii after Mr. Obama returned from Indonesia at age 10 to live back in Hawaii. There are pictures that show them together in Hawaii. Just because a step-parent uses his own name for simplicity in his own country doesn’t an adoption make. And before I forget, the birth certificate says clearly the president was born in Honolulu. Even for people who were born elsewhere and get a Hawaiian birth certificate it will say where they are born. That does not change and they can’t change that. So it is Honolulu- just as it says.

Natural Born Citizen, US Constitution:

Article II, Section 1, clause 5:

“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/

One of our founders (John Jay) obtained the definition of “natural born Citizen” from The Law of Nations (Vattel):

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens… (Vattel in Book 1, Sec 212)

The Founders’ intent was to prevent foreign influence on the office of President.

Obama’s father was a British subject at the time of Obama’s birth. Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

LibertyJane said:
“Unless Eric Cantor changes the law, a photograph or photocopy of Barack Obama’s original birth certificate is not permitted under any circumstances. Barack Obama himself couldn’t release a photograph of the original record.”

Huh? What? Then how did Mrs. Nordyke get ahold of her twins’ certificates? They were born a day after Obama in the same hospital, but of course, his serial number is after theirs for some inexplicable reason.

Here’s the mama proudly showing the stats!!! Did she do something illegal??

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347

Read the article you’re commenting on. Mrs. Nordyke obtained her copy in 1966. The sequence of the serial numbers cuts in favor of Obama, not against. They were likely based on when the certificates were processed, which would make the slight variation dependent on their position in the pile, but their proximity suggests the events occurred in the same place, at about the same time.

Gasket said:

Where does it say so in the US Constitution? You know, the document that spells out the qualifications for the President! Quote it here.

“EXCERPT 1. U.S. Constitution, Article II, §1:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, OR a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

EXCERPT 2: de Vattel’s Law of Nations circa 1758 Book 1, Chapter XIX, § 212:

The natives, or NATURAL-BORN CITIZENS, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens…The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent.

Finally, the main item in the Constitution that ties both together:

EXCERPT 3: U.S. Constitution, Article I, §8:

The Congress shall have Power…To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations

Yes, Law of Nations is CAPITALIZED, meaning our framers were citing a proper name. There was only one Law of Nations in 1787 officially declared. And yes, Congress has the power to create and enforce ANY LAW mentioned in the Law of Nations written by Emmerich de Vattel!”

Moreover, you are making the mistake that most of the uninformed do in this arena, by confusing the term “citizen” with “natural born citizen.” They are two distinct statuses, and “native born citizen” is a third.

But, alas, you want case law, and such:

“U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark’s (1898) importance is that it is the first case decided by the Supreme Court that attempts to explain the meaning of “natural born citizen” under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution. Natural born citizen is similar to the meaning of what a natural born subject is under Common Law in England. That is one of the reasons why the framers specifically included a grandfather clause (natural born Citizen OR a Citizen of the United States, at the time of adoption of this Constitution). The founding fathers knew that in order to be president, they had to grandfather themselves in because they were British subjects. If they didn’t, they could not be President of the U.S. The holding in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark states that Wong Kim Ark is a native-born citizen. If you look at the fact of Wong Kim Ark being born in San Francisco, CA, of Chinese parents, that holding is correct.

In U. S. v Wong Kim Ark, the court thoroughly discussed “natural born citizen,” and in doing so, Justice Gray quoted directly from the holding in a prior Supreme Court case, Minor v. Happersett (above).

Natural Born status is mentioned in case law: Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168

“‘At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country, of parents [plural] who were its citizens [plural], became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.’ Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168.”

Having read your article, I can now understand Trump when he states that the more he knows, the stranger it seems. The birther’s don’t seem so ‘crazy’ anymore. My suggestion to all Obama supporting journos and blogger is to ‘let it go’. The Hawaiian governor is not going to commit constitutional fraud, so Obama’s a citizen. Any family secrets should be left alone, but don’t justify the details, it invites more questions than it answers.

Trump loves two things – spouting off his opinions and keeping his name on the news. He’s not running for anything except to keep his ratings up and his Trump properties popular. He’s a businessman purely.

I think a wise old misinformation Fox put Donald Trump up to this birther idea for their own personal gains, when it is all said and done, Donald Trump should sue them, it’s just another good way of making a profit. If it’s profitable do it. I heard a wise man say that once.

Gasket said:
He hasn’t. There has been an Ayers to the White House but not the infamous Ayers. This was debunked awhile ago.

LOL I knew that … but I wanted to make him work.

This is straight out HOGWASH . If you don’t produce a LONG FORM birth certificate you cannot qualify for disability . So , when i applied to the S.S. office and i produced my C.O.L.B. they said “SO SAD …. TOO BAD” . i had to produce a long form . i don’t understand why this HEAVILY SOCIALISTIC state won’t just change the law . So , Obama is either a muslem or not legal resident of the U.S.A. He’s hiding something or he’s just put the real document out . I figure he don’t have one .

Tommy Christopher said:
No, a COLB is a certified copy.

Are you actually arguing that no one, not even the POTUS can get a copy of his long form birth certificate? That somehow there is a state law that prevents Obama from having it and then shoving it in the face of all his birther detractors?

Tommy Christopher said:
Read the article you’re commenting on. Mrs. Nordyke obtained her copy in 1966. The sequence of the serial numbers cuts in favor of Obama, not against. They were likely based on when the certificates were processed, which would make the slight variation dependent on their position in the pile, but their proximity suggests the events occurred in the same place, at about the same time.

No it doesn’t.

To quote Colby Hall:
“The truth is that Tommy IS an unabashed liberal – which is why we like him.”

The explaination given by officials for the State of Hawaii is a load of dingo’s kidneys.
For something as important as the Presidency of the United States, the people have a right to know the truth, and to see the official documents.
That being said, this whole issue probably ends in a stalemate, so other than a mental exercise, the only point I see is future candidates being asked to produce proof of birth before they run.

A thoughtful response to the deceptive Fukino comments: http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/04/attorney-apuzzo-analysis-of-current.html

Tommy, you say:

“Trump actually does concede that he has seen one “on television” that had a stamp, but no signature. That one he saw on TeeVee is the same as the one he saw without the signature, because the signature is on the back.”

My question is, how can you consider this evaluation you seem to want to be somehow comprehensive to be anything but insulting to anyone who you know want’s to see the signatures on the original.

Do you get joy in presenting everything but what is missing. It’s like you are saying “You want to see a signature, here I’ll show you a signature! STAMP! See there’s your signature you idiot!”

It must be fun for you as Obama’s shill, but I would have more respect for you if you would explicitly mention that, although a Stamp of a signature of a current officeholder exists on a COLB, copies of the only signatures that matter to anybody (witnesses attending or officiating the original documents at the time of the registration of his birth) are– not– forthcoming. Only a shill can be satisfied with the rubber stamp.

Here’s a headline you could use if you want to be HONEST about it:

Copies of the only signatures that matter to anybody regarding Obama’s Birthplace (ie. witnesses attending or officiating the original documents at the time of the registration of Obama’s birth) are– not– forthcoming.

Take that you idiot birthers!

Now that would be honest Tommy. Maybe not debunky but honest.

The Birth Certificate is Irrelevant:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=286409

Do you honestly think all the facts presented will satisfy any of the wacko birthers?

Then some nut has some article posted out of worldnutdaily? that’s funny

Thommy, your sure know how to get the crazies out!

glenn113 said:
Then some nut has some article posted out of worldnutdaily? that’s funny

What a moron! J.B. Williams is the cofounder
 of PatriotsUnion.org and ThePatriotsNews.com.

Barack Obama is an old-fashioned American communist, born in Hawaii, son of an 18-year old single white mother, a marxist student from Kansas.

Like most western marxists at that time 18-year old Ann Dunham idolized the Third World as vanguard of the Revolution. So she hooked up with the first African socialist she could get her hands on.

Obama Sr. had no reason to bring his pregnant Hawaiian girlfriend home with him to his wife and kids in Kenya. If Obama is hiding anything, it is the fact that he is the son of basically a single white mother, which doesn’t fit the “first black president” myth.

The Obama propaganda machine wants you to believe he is African and wants racists to get worked up about it. All the anti-imperialism and black liberation stuff Obama got from his white mum; it was all standard marxist dogma in the 1970s.

THE MAN said:
This is straight out HOGWASH . If you don’t produce a LONG FORM birth certificate you cannot qualify for disability . So , when i applied to the S.S. office and i produced my C.O.L.B. they said “SO SAD …. TOO BAD” . i had to produce a long form . i don’t understand why this HEAVILY SOCIALISTIC state won’t just change the law . So , Obama is either a muslem or not legal resident of the U.S.A. He’s hiding something or he’s just put the real document out . I figure he don’t have one .

I’m 54. My original birth certificate, which was a photocopy, disintergrated may years ago, even though I kept it in a box. The only thing the state of NY will provide me is, I guess, I COLB, with a raised seal. I used mine to get a passport. If you say you can’t use yours for Federal SS benefits, which, I dare say, are a slightly less sensitive issue than a passport, you’re a liar.

And you can spell it Muslim or Moslem, but you can’t spell it Muslem. Maybe you’re just too ignorant to have understood the terms as they were explained to you.

peterverkooijen said:
Barack Obama is an old-fashioned American communist, born in Hawaii, son of an 18-year old single white mother, a marxist student from Kansas.

Like most western marxists at that time 18-year old Ann Dunham idolized the Third World as vanguard of the Revolution. So she hooked up with the first African socialist she could get her hands on.

Obama Sr. had no reason to bring his pregnant Hawaiian girlfriend home with him to his wife and kids in Kenya. If Obama is hiding anything, it is the fact that he is the son of basically a single white mother, which doesn’t fit the “first black president” myth.

The Obama propaganda machine wants you to believe he is African and wants racists to get worked up about it. All the anti-imperialism and black liberation stuff Obama got from his white mum; it was all standard marxist dogma in the 1970s.

Did you see the Times Magaizine story? Do you read?

I’m not a birther. I live in Hawaii and, like most of us here, find this on-going thing quite annoying.

However, in my sometimes serious efforts to confirm or counter the latest claims, the one thing that I myself have been looking for but haven’t yet found is a statement or something by the FEC that describes how they themselves vetted Obama to ensure he was qualified.

If I saw a pre-election statement from them explaining what they did, or at least that the satisfactorily confirmed Obama’s qualifications per the Constitution, I’d be completely satisfied. Maybe this author can point me in the right direction.