And he is dead on balls accurate.

Obama owes Bush an apology; the enemedia owes Bush an apology.

We will get nothing but crickets on this story in the msm; they will barely cover it and then eventually claim that the military tribunals were Obama’s idea all along.

I don’t think it vindicates anything. I think it just proves that President O-Bomb-a-your-ass-Libya is pretty much the same war monger, deficit spender, big government goon like President Bu$h.

@ Libery

How does this prove any of those? They’re almost entirely unrelated.

Narrow your focus to this specific event.

The Obama administration must hold the all time record for “flip flops”.

Obamabots voted for Obama to prove they’re not prejudiced.
Who will Obamabots vote for next time to prove they’re not stupid.

Only 21 more months ’til we evict the Marxist from the Oval Office & cancel “Amateur Hour” at the White House.

NOBAMA 2012

“Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink.” P.J.O’Rourke

@ ImNotBlue

I think it is related. This is just another piece of the pie that proves there is not much difference between Bu$h and President O-Bomb-a-your-ass-Libya. The hypocrisy and thus flip-flop shown by Obama on this matter, among others, is amazing.

” By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, in order to effect the appropriate disposition of individuals currently detained by the Department of Defense at the Guantánamo Bay Naval Base (Guantánamo) and promptly to close detention facilities at Guantánamo, consistent with the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States and the interests of justice, I hereby order as follows:”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantanamoDetentionFacilities/http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantanamoDetentionFacilities/

Hilarious.

NOBAMA 2012 said:
The Obama administration must hold the all time record for “flip flops”.

I, for one, welcome these kind of “flip flops.” The shame is that Obama’s supporters will continue to support him even though he’s not upheld many of his campaign promises. Why?

NOBAMA 2012 said:
Obamabots voted for Obama to prove they’re not prejudiced.

And they’ll do so again.

White guilt is a powerful thing, although many voted for him because they actually believed what he was spewing. Obviously that’s a mistake when dealing with a professional politician from the mainstream parties.

More Liberty5 said:
I don’t think it vindicates anything. I think it just proves that President O-Bomb-a-your-ass-Libya is pretty much the same war monger, deficit spender, big government goon like President Bu$h.

Yep that’s about it. They are all on the same team, the media creates the right vs. left bs that as you can see on Mediaite is alive and well.

We the ” real ” American people didn’t need this Obama socialist regime pissant’s OK in regard to anything the Bush administation did or did not do. Not to mention the fact that his boss, even with George Soros’s arm shoved so far up his ____, is obediently adhereing to the Bush doctrine to a tee.

ImNotBlue said:
@ Libery

How does this prove any of those? They’re almost entirely unrelated.

Narrow your focus to this specific event.

Case in point to my above comment. This person is so wrapped up in right vs. left they can’t see what is right in front of their face. Sad, but all too prevalent in our country at this time.

NOBAMA 2012 said:
The Obama administration must hold the all time record for “flip flops”.

Obamabots voted for Obama to prove they’re not prejudiced.
Who will Obamabots vote for next time to prove they’re not stupid.

Only 21 more months ’til we evict the Marxist from the Oval Office & cancel “Amateur Hour” at the White House.

NOBAMA 2012

“Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink.” P.J.O’Rourke

And the people that voted for McCain proved that the reason they voted for him was because they were racist, what is your point.

How could anyone objectively as a conservative say that McCain/Palin was the right choice for our country. The guy isn’t even a conservative, in the last debate he introduced a policy that when he was president he would buy up all the bad morgages and then pay off the difference to resell at a lower rate. Uh Socialism? Yeah that is the textbook definition of Socialism. No one that wasn’t either a KKK member or a complete knucklehead would argue that McCain was right for our country. You racist?

Every Obama “Let me be clear” utterance comes with an expiration date. Every. Single. One.

Color Me Badd said:
Case in point to my above comment. This person is so wrapped up in right vs. left they can’t see what is right in front of their face. Sad, but all too prevalent in our country at this time.

Methinks you didn’t understand my comment… at all.

I was asking how this specific instance, led Liberty to his conclusion. Saying that this is an example of the non-difference between Obama and Bush, is fine… BUT, saying that Obama is ” the same war monger, deficit spender, big government goon” as Bush is unrelated. It’s not a conclusion one can draw from this event.

That’s what I was talking about.

You, on the other hand, seem to have a few vendettas around here. So let’s call a spade a spade, and don’t pretend your on some high and might crusade against “left/right politics.”

Color Me Badd said:
How could anyone objectively as a conservative say that McCain/Palin was the right choice for our country. The guy isn’t even a conservative, in the last debate he introduced a policy that when he was president he would buy up all the bad morgages and then pay off the difference to resell at a lower rate. Uh Socialism? Yeah that is the textbook definition of Socialism. No one that wasn’t either a KKK member or a complete knucklehead would argue that McCain was right for our country. You racist?

I don’t think either choice was right for this country. McCain is another big government, open borders neocon, although at least he served his country and was no chicken-hawk like O-Boma-a or Bu$h. The policies they both pushed for were basically the same.

Rumsfeld seems desperate for vindication. Cheney was, too, but, for whatever reason, no longer. FACTS:

1. Our entry into Iraq was based upon a misrepresentation, in my opinion a fraud.

2. The key premises of the Invasion (US welcomed as liberators, Invasion paid for by Iraqi resources) were erroneous. I don’t think these were misrepresentations, but they were tragically, laughably erroneous.

3. The Occupation was poorly conceived and poorly executed.

Absent a change in these premises, there is no vindication by a comparison to Libya.

With reference to Guantánamo, these are the FACTS:

1. The mere opening of Guantánamo was a betrayal of fundamental American principles.

2. The full scope of the implications of Guantánamo were never considered.

3. Once opened, Guantánamo took on a self-sustaining life of its own which will likely plague us until the last detainee dies.

The validity of the security argument does not arise. That is a practical consideration, and such practical considerations cannot trump fundamental principles nor the Constitution. The fact that W, Big Dick, Donnie and Condi took what appears to be an immortal albatross and put it around the necks of succeeding generations and administrations is not vindicated by the fact that these succeeding generations and administrations have had to perpetuate a wrong because there seems to be no out.

Moreover, Iraq/Guantánamo and Libya are not comparable, at least not yet. The limited nature of the engagement, the fact that no Occupation is contemplated are key differences, differences in kind. However, there is no pass here. Nor is there a pass because every Administration since Truman has gotten us involved in a “war” without a declaration of war. Instead, each has finessed and tweaked policies and, indeed, vocabulary, to throw us into a virtual perpetual state of war. Each and every Administration since Truman has done this to bypass Congress’ sole authority to declare war. In other words, each and every Administration since Truman has engaged in a fundamental deception. As for President Obama and Libya, these are the FACTS:

1. A Congressional declaration of war was not had.

2. The Obama Administration did little to involve Congress in the deliberate process at all.

3. This policy seems to be fundamentally at odds with the approach we had been led to believe President Obama would take in such matters.

4. The policy was predicated on what might be considered a defensive approach, the establishment of a no fly zone. The actions on the ground, first by the US and now by NATO had an offensive approach. For some time, the enforcement of the no fly zone has been effective, yet the US and NATO raids and bombings have continued.

Both Administrations have run afoul of the Constitution and of good policy. They have done so in ways which are dissimilar. As such, one does not vindicate nor does it justify the other.

Rumsfeld’s (and Cheney’s) need for vindication is an admission of their flawed approach. That has shed light on President Obama’s flawed approach. That is the full extent of the interplay between the two policies.

A new concern is arising. NATO’s approach seems to be tepid, at best. That’s not really a criticism. It is merely acting within the scope of its mission. As the Iraq Occupation was a miserable failure, so too may be the incursion into Libya. Stepping forward, then holding back makes Libya, like Iraq and Guantánamo, practical failures. So with Libya and Iraq/Guantánamo we have both Administrations acting unConstitutionally and making policy blunders. But, that doesn’t offset one against the other. Frankly, I am tired and angry of this game.

Judge Mental said:
I, for one, welcome these kind of “flip flops.” The shame is that Obama’s supporters will continue to support him even though he’s not upheld many of his campaign promises. Why?

First, he has kept some promises, hasn’t he? He has led us to the start of a recovery, perhaps soon to be sidetracked by Republican obstinance, and he gave us a form of HCR.

Secondly, what choice will any of us have? It looks like the alternative for 2012 is going to be even worse than 2008.

If todays media were around in WW2, we would have lost . On D-day , the bombs were dropped to far in land . And many died from the result . But they pushed on to V-day . The resolve was clear .
Today’s media has no conviction or resolve to anything . Today they love war and death . All of them ! Even the ones against it .

TfT said:
And he is dead on balls accurate.

Obama owes Bush an apology; the enemedia owes Bush an apology.

We will get nothing but crickets on this story in the msm; they will barely cover it and then eventually claim that the military tribunals were Obama’s idea all along.

Not only does Obama owe Bush an apology, but the LSM AND the Libs(even the ones here) owe Bush an apology. OR…explain how come the LSM and the libs aren’t getting their panties in a bunch, when Obama is DOING THE SAME EXACT THINGS THAT THE HATED GWB DID! Where’s Code Pink? Where’s the CONSTANT storys in the NYT about Gitmo? OHhhhhh…WAIT, instead they’ll(HBO)do a movie about Cheney. Which I’M SURE will be fair. Although I wonder if they’ll even mention Gitmo now.

Even better, how in the world do brave men with conviction and good intentions ever wind up even needing to be “vindicated” from far left wing community organizer scumbags who are oblivious to the dangers of the world?

I take that back. They’re not oblivious, it’s just the way they want to do things that suck. Fair enough?

Donald, your criminal self cannot be vindicated. If Justice was to be served, your behind should be locked up, with the key thrown away.

Paul G said:
Not only does Obama owe Bush an apology, but the LSM AND the Libs(even the ones here) owe Bush an apology. OR…explain how come the LSM and the libs aren’t getting their panties in a bunch, when Obama is DOING THE SAME EXACT THINGS THAT THE HATED GWB DID! Where’s Code Pink? Where’s the CONSTANT storys in the NYT about Gitmo? OHhhhhh…WAIT, instead they’ll(HBO)do a movie about Cheney. Which I’M SURE will be fair. Although I wonder if they’ll even mention Gitmo now.

You seem to whine a great deal.

Pointing out that Obama is doing many of the same things as Bush is ‘whining’.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
You seem to whine a great deal.

Whine? Here’s a ‘whine’..”WAAAAAAAAHHHH……Obama is just as bad bush, but I hated Bush , but I gotta stick with my party and still say I love Obama” THAT’S a whine. I know, Because That’s all libs do.

Color Me Badd said:
Yep that’s about it. They are all on the same team, the media creates the right vs. left bs that as you can see on Mediaite is alive and well.

The different ideologies are very real, different ways to govern the people, different beliefs in domestic and foreign policies. The fight between right vs left is very real. Yes the media helps it is along but that doesn’t make it fake by any means.

More Liberty5 said:
@ ImNotBlue

I think it is related. This is just another piece of the pie that proves there is not much difference between Bu$h and President O-Bomb-a-your-ass-Libya. The hypocrisy and thus flip-flop shown by Obama on this matter, among others, is amazing.

” By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, in order to effect the appropriate disposition of individuals currently detained by the Department of Defense at the Guantánamo Bay Naval Base (Guantánamo) and promptly to close detention facilities at Guantánamo, consistent with the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States and the interests of justice, I hereby order as follows:”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantanamoDetentionFacilities/http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ClosureOfGuantanamoDetentionFacilities/

Hilarious.

Sorry, not interested in your links, nothing personal. What it proves is that given the circumstances, the Bush Team did it right. The political opposition and aggressive campaigning against the “right way to do it” equates to outright Anti-American Leftist ideology or Downright stupidity. You decide. Is this Regime that stupid or, are they so ideologically driven that they would mislead the masses as a means to an end (apply to any all of Obowmao’s agenda).

Color Me Badd said:
And the people that voted for McCain proved that the reason they voted for him was because they were racist, what is your point. How could anyone objectively as a conservative say that McCain/Palin was the right choice for our country. The guy isn’t even a conservative, in the last debate he introduced a policy that when he was president he would buy up all the bad morgages and then pay off the difference to resell at a lower rate. Uh Socialism? Yeah that is the textbook definition of Socialism. No one that wasn’t either a KKK member or a complete knucklehead would argue that McCain was right for our country. You racist?

OMG you thick headed idiots with this racist nonsense! Yes, McCain was not a conservativew and thats partly why he lost. But why does it have to be a race thing? BO was an inexperienced comminuty organizer and McCain was a veteran war hero with decades of political experience.

You really see no difference in the two?

I wonder how all those Obama “Hope & Change” voters (like Mika) feel now knowing they voted for a 3rd Bush term?

It doesn’t prove the Bush administration right, it shows both Bush and Obama are wrong. This entire episode has been an embarrassment to the United States. The two-party system is failing us.

Obimbo “the useless, & Holder “the under qualified. Watching them is kinda like watching Beavis&Butthead. These clowns have no idea of what to do. They’ve surrounded themselves with the most under-qualified staff they could find. And know that Obimbo is deep political dodo, he resorts to slogans and useless blabber about being willing to listen? What about being willing, and able to lead?!! Is that NOT in his job-description???????

God his own self couldn’t vindicate BushDrunk’s administration. That bloodied, quivering lump of historic, poisonous, toxic failure.

Why does anyone listen to a mass murderer and war criminal?

LarryB said:
This entire episode has been an embarrassment to the United States. The two-party system is failing us.

True dat…

murphy0071 said:
Why does anyone listen to a mass murderer and war criminal?

He kept YOU safe.

Tucker Peterson said:
If todays media were around in WW2, we would have lost . On D-day , the bombs were dropped to far in land . And many died from the result . But they pushed on to V-day . The resolve was clear .Today’s media has no conviction or resolve to anything . Today they love war and death . All of them ! Even the ones against it .

Your remarks bear repeating. Thank you for making them.

As it is with the entireity of the -0bama regime, Eric Holder will be remembered as the worst infestation on the Department of Justice in the history of our great nation.