Ed Schultz wants to enlist Mediaite’s support in attacking conservatives.  But as far as I can see, he already has it. 

Ed Schultz wants to enlist Mediaite’s support in attacking conservatives.  But as far as I can see, he already has it. 

Stop your whining Ed!!

It’s par for the course for Fox talking heads to misrepresent the facts. It’s as I said in the original ED thread. That kind of blatant dishonest crap should be unacceptable no matter who does it.

Well mediaite, keep us posted on when Limbagh and Hannity apologize and correct their mistake.

I think Sen should give the same “backhanded” apology that Ed gave. It was a $hit apology and Sean should give the same one in kind.

Should read, “Mediaite’s support in correcting public inaccuracy. But as far as I can see, he already has it.”

Attacking? Helping them correct a mistake is a nice thing to do. 

Ed has still not apologized for making an accusation of racism.

“Next time Obama has a colonoscopy, I wonder who they’ll find in there. Which NBC personality will show up first?” -  El Rushbo

You don’t have to apologize if:

• You get an inconsequential number wrong in an off the cuff discussion.

You do have to apologize if:

• You call Rick Perry a racist• You call Laura Ingraham a talk slut• You call Republicans bastards who want to destroy the country• You say you are going to ‘torch this f***ing place’

Bahaha.  Nice try Tommy, but again epic fail.  You’re actually trying to help Schultz equate an unemployment number with a disgusting lie & smear?  Wow.

If you go back through a week’s worth of Ed’s shows, you’re very likely to find mistakes on par with Rush’s & Hannity’s unemployment figure mistake.  

It’s really almost impossible to believe that this is the level that you’ve been reduced to sinking too.

Oh, and Ed didn’t really apologize last night.  Neither did you.  Stop blaming others for your epic failure.  You jumped the gun.  You didnt’ need the two words Ed edited out to realize Perry was talking about the debt.  Shame on you. 

No he hasn’t and neither has Tommy

Also, stop blaming ABC.  They didn’t infer any racism like you, Ed, April Ryan & the rest of the wingnut left did.  

Felix can careless about the facts.  

and when ed really does apologize, you should get right on that tommy

It was Fat Ed who said Obama was the Black Obama and made the reference to racism and then TommIE picked it up and ran with it.

Fat Ed FALSELY gave out the one of the worst accusations a person can throw out there in todays society and now acts like it was nothing.

He must be coming down from a donut sugar high.

Rush and Hannity must of got the same memo from Sammon because they’re both really off on their numbers.  

Well in Tommy’s defense, those dog whistles are loud and hard to ignore. 

Calling someone or implying someone is A RACIST is not just a small matter.

My god, you’re comparing Special Ed’s race baiting to one misstated fiqure? This is nutty.

Let’s see, Ed thinks misstating unemployment figures is the moral equivalent of labeling someone a racist?  So, if Hannity or Rush (neither one of who are part of my personal viewership or listening habits) quote wrong numbers, that somehow is as equally outrageous and personally damaging as tarring someone a RACIST?

And you’re gonna run with that are ya Tommy?  Unfooking believable.

It’s predictable, but in the end what else does he have?  If you’ve followed him at all, you’ve realized that anytime a lefty gets in any trouble, he bends over backwards, grasping at straws, trying to find some conservative to bash to make things even.  This effort is beyond embarrassing, though.  And, in his heart, Tommy knows it.  I would bet his stomach sank in a little when he hit the “post” button.  The voice in his head was surely saying “really, dude, this is all you got?”.  

Rush and Sean are two of the biggest propagandists for the uber-right. They lie so much that they can’t even tell the truth from false claims anymore. They are purely speaking to the right wing that do not like facts and reasoning in their arguments. It’s what differentiates Republicans from Democrats. Republicans are not allowed to think for themselves and look at things subjectively. They make their arguments based on talking points and repeat (sometimes verbatim) what Rush and Sean tell them to say. Democrats are free thinkers who use reasoning and logic to make their arguments. Do they lie or distort their info to make their cases seem more plausible? Of course! both sides do it (oftentimes in desperation) but the difference is that libs/progressives oftentimes recognize the error in their ways and apologize for their misstatements while Rush, Sean and other conservative heads will never apologize because to tell the truth and be a humble person take too much pride and deflates too much of the egos swimming around in their empty fat heads!

I welcome any and all reasoned and factual replies and will respond accordingly. Anyone who replies to me with lies, insults and name calling will not get a response as I do not collaborate with neanderthals.

and i will apologize to you tommy, i am sorry i said you were a hack, you are not. you are just really really naive

When an “analyst” misrepresents macroeconomic fact that qualifies as a major error. Stop enjoying your victimhood and demand a basic level of standards…such as factual accuracy from those well compensated to influence public opinion.

Schultz was man enough to apologize, let’s see if Hannity and Limbaugh will man up and do the same.  This is not some opinion, the unemployment numbers are hard fact and both Hannity and Limbaugh told the same lie. No opinion,no mistake, the same lie told by both. Schultz showed character, now it’s up to Hannity and Limbaugh to do the same. 

Nor will he. Hey ed, phuck off!

WOW, them idiots over at LSDnbc are coming unhinged. They get their butts kicked night after night and badly, I might add. Fair & Balanced FOX News has adults for adults while PMSnbc is made up of juveniles running the insane asylum. Seriously, if you only watch LSDnbc for 30 seconds you will have had more hate and anger spewed through the speakers towards you the viewer than you’ll get from FOX News and CNN over a 5 year period. I had really hoped that after Comcast took over they would change things at 30 Rock and in DC to reflect maturity and honesty backed by truthful FACTS. But, no, it is like a circus over there with a different idiot having to take a leave of absence for lies, half-truths, over the edge arguments with guests and on and on, every other week. msnbc is a zoo full of brain-dead juveniles….average age…13.

C’mon Comcast, you folks can do a hell of a lot better than what you are presently giving your tiny, tiny audience.

“The unemployment rate
was at 7.8% in January, 2009, when Barack Obama was inaugurated, and as
he has pointed out many times, soared to 9% before a single policy of
his was enacted”

People saw what was coming and it wasn’t good.

Where did I “equate” one with the other, or even compare them? Hint: I didn’t. It was Schultz who issued the challenge (also without making any comparison or value judgment). 

Ed the red is such a bitter and bloated man.

Fine.  I challenge you demand a correction for every figure Schultz has gotten wrong.  Hope you have some nodoze!  And, he didn’t apologize for lying, he regretted that he got caught. And, neither did you.  He said “debt” about 1/5 of a second before he said “black cloud”.  You made as big of a mistake as Ed did and “mistake” is being kind.   

Tommy, while you’re out pounding the webs demanding apologies and corrections maybe you should pound on wolf blitzers door. He mentioned in passing obamas approval numbers and was off by 2%. Actually, he wasn’t even sure what they were!

When Bush was potus ol wolfie made sure he knew exactly what they were and spent 30 minutes every day screaming “Bush approval rating is down, Bush approval rating is down!”!!!!!

Now? Not so much. Blitzer=Worthless propagandist.

And you sure are quick to supply Schultz with an outlet to further perpetuate his ludicrous equation.  That’s called complicity.  An honest man would point out Schultz’ idiocy, not defend it.

Special Ed is quick to call people liars while he smears Rick P and calls Laura Ingraham a slut. Really? This sad fat man has zero credibility and doesn’t have the right calling anyone out. He needs to shut his mouth and stop eating.

Still would like to hear an real apology from Ed for the racist charge against Perry with the edited tape and for Tommy to explain why he ran with the original story from Ed without finding out what Perry really said…Tommy you just where so quick to want to belives it didn’t even bother to find the truth….it’s clear we need to take any future post from Tommy with a big grain of salt when it involves attacking any of the GOP contenders.

Oh and if you want to hear people play with numbers listen to the games Ed has played with his ratings.

The “errors” are no where near related.  Ed didn’t make a “major error”.  He flat out lied to slander someone by calling that person the worst thing you can call another human being.  Grow up and stop making false equivalents.  

You are equate making mistakes with accusing of someone of racism?

Very dishonest.

Plus he was not the only one who mentioned that. So did Al Sharpton.

You are equate making mistakes with accusing of someone of racism?

Very dishonest.

Plus he was not the only one who mentioned that. So did Al Sharpton.

lol ya nice try

lol ya nice try

misstating? Please both sides constantly misstate on a regular basis so much that it would make Gobbels proud.

He did not apologize to Rick Perry.

Liberalism is a mental disorder

 Why do you call him fat ed but don’t call rush fatter rush?

Ed put down your shovel…don’t you think the hole you’ve dug for yourself is deep enough?

Hannity edits video to lie all the time 

http://www.newshounds.us/2010/09/09/was_sean_hannity_too_lazy_too_arrogant_or_too_chicken_to_get_his_facts_straight_about_obamas_ohio_speech.php

Why don’t conservatives hold him to the same standard and demand a correction?

nice rebuttal, wait, you had none…

Rush will never apologize – he makes his living off putting out misinfo and then never revisiting it.
He’s the epitome of the term ‘drive-by media” which he tries to use to denounce non-GOP media. A bit of projection on the Oxycontin addict’s part.

Riiiiight. It was just a misstatement that they both used the same figure. Not a coordinated bit of misinfo from the right. Good, lord, you’re naive.

Republicans can’t address Sean and Rush lying. They want to change the subject back to Ed, who already apologized, and has shown he’s the better man.
Rush and Sean have been proven to be wrong. The fact that they won’t admit it shows they are liars.
But it doesn’t matter to the fanboys on the right. They’ll just cover their ears and scream “I’m not listening!”
Modern day conservatism is rooted on nothing more than a cult of personality for drug-addled, failed AM rock DJs. All the facts in the world can’t break that spell. It’s impossible to reason with someone who’s decided they don’t want to deal in reality.

But….But….But….Nah I can’t do it. Wait a minute, yes I can. 

Rick Perry is racist. (no need for examples, those will come out on their own in time)
Laura Ingraham is a media slut who brings nothing to the table. 
Republicans are bastards who want to destroy the country. 
He should torch MSNBC. Or at least the spineless execs who run the place. 

I could Texan but I know you intellectual capacity and its like debating with my dog. Long slow stares and no understanding, then walking out to the back yard to take a poop.

I think you misunderstood me bob. I agree with you. Just saying that both sides do it on a constant basis thats why you cant listen to what either side (in most cases) have to say. I cant stand Rush and Hannity but Ed is not an intellectual giant either.

It’s not a mistake but rather an outright lie. It’s not coincidence that they used virtually the same number to tell the same lie.

Limbaugh and Hannity are propagandists who have no need for truth or accuracy. 

Um…why are people acting like those unemployment stats were mistakes? They were lies!

And Rick Perry IS a racist. If you want doctored footage, I can name quite a few distractions created in the past couple years…if you vote GOP, you vote to flush the US down the crapper.

NeverWrong, have you ever had an intelligent thought in your life?  And are you actually proud of your stupidity?  Of course you can hide behind your keyboard coward comments here, but would you have the
guts to participate in a discussion with people who actually have something thoughtful and intelligent to respond to your idiocy.  I don’t think you would.  Your head would explode with anger when you are exposed as another moron who bases his very existence on ignorance and hate garnered from watching Fox News.  

Again with the Ed apology? Where did he apologize. He admitted they edited the tape, but no where did I hear him say he was sorry for smearing Perry. 
There was an admission of wrong doing wrt the edit, but no apology. He owes Perry an apology for the edit, and for the attacks based on those edits.

Like they say, can’t unring that bell. 
“ Ed Schultz challengedMediaite and Politico to demand a correction fromRush Limbaugh and Fox’s Sean Hannity, presumably with the same volume we highlighted Schultz’s edit of Gov. Rick Perry’s “big black cloud” remark. ”

Same volume? You mean with the excuses? (“…Perry’s remark was poorly chosen….Joan points out…Ed apologized..”)

Rush and Hannity should correct the numbers, if they were wrong. 

Fine. If they lied  (or didn’t know..which is hard to believe with the net at their disposal)  regarding the unemployment rate, they should issue mea culpas forthwith. However, can you really compare lying about unemployment versus calling someone a racist with edited video?

Also, someone should take Matthews to the woodshed. For 3 days straight he has insinuated that Perry is a “bull connor”  type racist. I thought yesterday he would leave it alone and at the least ignore it, but he doubled down and said that is what he believes. He also said he “smelled birtherism” in Perry. This is not only irresponsible journalism, it’s flat out making s@it up in the most despicable fashion imaginable. 

“Rick Perry is racist. (no need for examples, those will come out on their own in time)”

That’s probably the most ludicrous statement I’ve seen on Mediaite and I’ve seen some crazy comments.Playing the race card constantly denigrates true racism and as I said in the original Schultz post, is as racist as anything the KKK says or does.

“And Rick Perry IS a racist”

And I’m sure you have examples to back you up.

“Democrats are free thinkers who use reasoning and logic to make their arguments.”

They just won’t discuss any issues with anyone that disagrees with them. That isn’t a free thinker. That is the definition of a closed mind.

I never saw an apology. What he did was say the video was taken out of context and played the entire video. Far from an apology.

One other thing; Schultz in this video completely blames Republicans for the debt, while not mentioning once that democrats held majorities in all three branches of government from 08-10. Where was the budget from the Senate during that time? Oh right, they never passed one.

Ed should have a “psycho talk” segment dedicated to nothing more than his own lies, half-truths and daily distortions.

Repubs never apologize but then they don’t care about facts as they make them up as they go along!

Where does one start commenting on an article like this?

I’ll just jump to the last sentence wehre Tommy said:

“ and will hold him to the same standard that MSNBC’s executives have set, even for opinion hosts.”

First off, MSNBC doesn’t have a standard for opinion hosts, they have a stanard that says:  If you critizice Obama you will be suspended, but if you call republicans and conservatives any name in the book, you are good to go and we will let you stay on the air.  That is MNSBC’s standard, which is why they are hiring the good Rev, because he has formally gone on record and claimed he will never criticize Obama.

As for Ed – he never apologized to Perry, and calling his remark an apology is dishonest.
As for Hannity and Rush, they were talking averages, as I thought they both made clear.

As for the old cannard “it’s Bush’s fault” – really…get over it.  Every president inherits the circumstance, everyone.  It is only this one who stands around and points the finger of blame, with a willing media standing right behind him.  Childish, pathetic, and really really old and annoying.

And, that relates to O’Hannity’s and Lard Limbaugh’s misstatements of fact, how?

This is the typical crap from leftitst who want to smear someone with racism and get caught lying about it. First, proclaiming them as a blatant racist does not excuse anyone from lying about anything, also known as the Maddow Method.  And second, if he is such a blatant racist why the need to fabricate the evidence?

But, when O”Hannity and Lard Limbaugh lie, no problem, huh?

It is the difference between mistating a policy issue and someone engaging in character assisination. Does that help?

So, Michelle-in-Utah, why do you countenance the outright lies of O’Hannity and Lard Limbaugh? Truth must not be very important to you.

The article actually mentions Rush correcting an error.

No doubt about it, Lard Limbaugh is the #1 comic for racist jokes, poop humor and blasphemy.

As usual, the Democrats manipulate news events to SMEAR the CHARACTER of their opponents, while Republicans attack the POLICIES of theirs.

Get ready for Democrats – and THEIR MEDIA -  to haul out the “RACIST” SMEAR for the next year, and maybe throw in a few black flashmobs for good measure!

How much more PROOF do you imbeciles need before you realize that the DEMOCRATIC WELFARE STATE produces barbarians, not civilized humans!

In all fairness, O’Hannity is merely “reporting” the “news” the way the conservatives want it to be. Should you really be criticizing him for that? It is, after all, FOX “News”.

You’re absolutely correct.

Of course, not only have you assumed facts not in evidence, but you have completely ignored the nature of the thread: the sorry state of the media in America and the hypocrisy of the rightists rushing to protect O’Hannity and Lard Limbaugh.

You must have one really dense dog.

When you made your miraculous switch from a moderate/independent to a Radical Rightist Republican Reactionary, you very quickly developed CVS – Conservative Victimization Syndrome. I don’t think any of us understood just how viral it was until you became our guinea pig. Thank you for your service.

O’Hannity and Lard Limbaugh stated an erroneous statistic as a fact. That’s pretty cut and dried.

Matthews uses the Bull Connor metaphor. Does that necessarily mean Matthews views Tollbooth as a racist? Could it mean Matthews view Tollbooth as a loud-mouthed, strutting, bombastic fool. I should think the latter is all the more likely. In any event Matthews, unlike the liars O’Hannity and Lard Limbaugh did not state this as a fact, did he? Indeed, how could he? Tollbooth is not Connor. Rather, Matthews was using imagery to say that in his opinion Tollbooth reminds him of Connor. I don’t wholly agree, although the loud-mouthed, strutting, bombastic fool part does work.

As to “smelling birtherism”. Smell is a sense. When one uses “smell”, it means “my impression” or “my sense”. Again, not a statement of fact like the lies O’Hannity and Lard Limbaugh told. Do I think Tollbooth is a birther? Do I think Matthews believes Tollbooth is a birther? Do I believe Matthews said Tollbooth is a birther? No. Matthews seems to me to be suggesting that Tollbooth readily panders to some of the basest, vilest most ignorant people to foul our nation in a very, very long time, the Birthers.

Let’s take a peek here:

–”Republicans are not allowed to think for themselves and look at things subjectively.” This is a wild, blanket statement that implies a ruling body demands thought, entirely made with zero proof. i.e., a subjetive statement.
– “They make their arguments based on talking points and repeat (sometimes verbatim)’  Obviously you have never heard when Rush frequently plays a montage of media-heads all repeating the exact same phrases during a news cycle. (recent example, the numerous times “terrorist” was used in the last budget battle.)
– “Democrats are free thinkers who use reasoning and logic to make their arguments.” (See above) Also, character assasination and racial charges normally are absent reason and logic.
–  ”Do they lie or distort their info to make their cases seem more plausible? Of course! both sides do it (oftentimes in desperation) but the difference is that libs/progressives oftentimes recognize the error in their ways and apologize for their misstatements.”  The terms ”errors” and “misstatements” are contradicted by your admission of those using lies.
– “ Rush, Sean and other conservative heads will never apologize.”  The article above references Rush correcting an error. 
– “To tell the truth and be a humble person take too much pride and deflates too much of the egos swimming around in their empty fat heads!”  Insulting people in this callow fashion shows you succumbing to pride and displaying an inflated ego, the very thing you are charging of others.

The liars O’Hannity and Lard Limbaugh were talking averages? Do you even believe that? I can’t imagine you do. Some of you knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing friends and colleagues, perhaps, but not you. I can’t imagine why you would stake your integrity on defending the likes of the liars O’Hannity and Lard Limbaugh.

The heartbreak of CVS – Conservative Victimization Syndrome.

It’s Hannity and Rush, not O’H…and Lard…funny how the libs around here can attack others and never get banned…..kind of like MSNBC, there is one standard for conservative posters and a different standard (or no standard) for liberals.  Attacks are perfectly acceptable as long as they are leveled against conservatives.

I don’t know where to begin as well. The author shows his bias when he undercuts Perry by implying that it was the stimulus and not Perry’s job friendly tax environment that created the jobs in Texas. Just couldn’t bite his tongue. What fools the Dems are because they obviously directed a ton of stimulus right at an ultra-conservative! What fools! And I thought the money was just pissed away on unproven liberal fantasy projects. I feel better now.

There are inaccurate reports from the Democrat party MSM every single day that Mediaite ignores. Just check our Newsbusters or Hotair to see how often it happens. 

Stewed in the embryonic fluid of a mystically free market, Norbit’s pure civility shines like the beacon of Christ’s pure love.

So true.  The liberals will tag Bachman’s husband as gay and Rick Perry as racist and Cain as an Islamaphobe and on and on and on . . . they’ve got nothing of substance.

Like I posted before, it’s all they’ve got.

Actually, Obama signed the FY09 budget that should have been signed into law by October 08, Pelosi held it over not allowing Bush to sign the final budget.  So the responsibility for his and Pelosi/Reid’s policies came into effect prior to his blaming of the other guy.

It is no mystery as to why jobs were being shed:

For the record, the last budget from a Republican President AND a Republican Congress – FY-2007 (passed in 2006) – resulted in a$161 billion deficit at a time when unemployment was 4.6%.  That’s what happened the last time the GOP was in control.

In the 12 years that Republicans controlled the House, the average deficit was $104 billion (average of final deficit/surplus FY1996-FY2007 data taken from Table F-1 below).  In just 3 years under Democrats, the average deficit is now almost $1.1 trillion (average of final deficit/surplus FY2008 and 2009 data taken from Table F-1; FY2010 data taken from Table 1-3).  Source: CBO January 2010 Budget and Economic Outlook

And, now it’s much worse thanks to Obama and his super majority, they’ve never had a clue:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-08-10-deficit_N.htm?AID=4992781&PID=4172469&SID=et8q5z4liegh

So quibble about an unemployment number, the fact is Obama was in the dem controlled senate and later signed the dem controlled threat to jobs into law. 

Schultz is a race baiter and hasn’t apologized,  to demand an apology of anyone else after his performance is just a childish attempt to deflect because he isn’t man enough to offer a true apology…look over there.  What an idiot, what fools to defend him.

The heartbreak of CVS – Conservative Victimization Syndrome.

I’m working on the Telethon for a cure. You’ll be included.

Mediaite columnists may give an opinion as to the validity of anyone’s arguement. The columnist can not force another media Pundit to apologize or correct their piece. The problem with Ed Schultz’s segment was different. Tommy created a piece of his own based on a purposeful wrongful edit by Ed Schultz. The readers at Mediaite took Tommy to the task. Tommy himself became a story. Tommy could have waited a few hours. In today’s journalism, both conservative and liberal media play a gotcha game. Conservative media would have exposed the bad edit by Ed Schultz, and Tommy would have saved his own embarassment by not creating his own hit piece on Perry.
Crating hit pieces are just too tempting, they create clicks and generate revenues. It is in the economic self-interest, and part of politics.

Facts make you look stupid.

Proof??

My goodness, was there some big Konservative Konklave last night? You all drank from the same cup? CVS seems to be infecting a large number of you this morning.

You keep repeating yourself. Seek help. You are hurting your brain.

Proof??

His dog is still smarter than you.

Shultz apologized? When did this happen?

5.7% unemployment was the average unemployment for President Bush’s 8 years.

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_&met_y=unemployment_rate&tdim=true&fdim_y=seasonality:S&dl=en&hl=en&q=unemployment+rate#ctype=l&strail=false&nselm=h&met_y=unemployment_rate&fdim_y=seasonality:S&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=state&ifdim=state&tdim=true&hl=en&dl=en

Shame nobody wanted to hear that.

That’s a pretty large blanket you are throwing there. Did it ever occur to you that not ALL Republicans think that way?

I think Rush and Sean should apologize for misstating the unemployment rate Obama “inherited”…..once Obama apologizes for lying the last 2 1/2 years about “inheriting” a $1.3 trillion annual deficit. At worst it was just over half that amount. The deficit never reached that amount until after he signed the 2009 budget into law which was passed by the Democrat-controlled Congress.

I’m much more concerned about the President of the United States screwing up(whether intentionally or not) economic stats like that than Rush or Hannity getting the U3 rate wrong by 2 points.

(P.S. Ed Schultz still hasn’t apologized for calling Rick Perry a racist. That’s far more egregious than what he and Mediaite claim Rush and Sean did.)

The subject of this thread is in fact about ED. And he did not apologize.

There you go. Repeating yourself again. 

He may have corrected his mistake but he never apologized.

I’m not even sure it was a mistake.

Rush & Hannity clearly were speaking of the AVERAGE unemployment rate of 5.8% for Bush’s 8 years.  

It was not a mistake. He’s only sorry he got caught.

Wow, quite a reach from moron Ed and the liar Christopher. Maybe our president can apologize for this
http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

Ed Schultz, and those trying to equate what he has done with nebulous clouds of “lie” accusations from people who can’t seem to list one “lie” from one of their conservative bugaboos on the radio, have absolutely no place to lecture anybody about lying, misstatements of fact, dishonesty, partisanship or dirty politics.

Please list the A) lies, B) racism.

These are serious accusations. They require evidence. We’ve already demonstrated that Ed Schultz is a liar and a hack.

Your turn. Humor us with the details.

I see what your problem is.

You’re confusing your opinions with facts.

He doesn’t need them. The accusation is all that matters to his kind. The nature of the evidence supporting the accusation is irrelevant.

It’s like filing a lawsuit, and when the attorney asks you what evidence you have to back up your suit, you say, “I just feel that way.”

I welcome any and all reasoned and factual replies and will respond
accordingly. Anyone who replies to me with lies, insults and name
calling will not get a response as I do not collaborate with
neanderthals.

QED

Democrats are free thinkers who use reasoning and logic to make their arguments.

If only.

Rush clearly clarified his statement the next day. He noted the criticism he was receiving and clarified that the number he was using was an average for the year 2008. I don’t listen or watch Hannity so I don’t know what he did. If you start comparing calling somebody a racist to citing an incorrect unemployment figure, Aren’t you taking all serious meaning away from the term?

In the face of truth gar cannot bring himself to admit that Obama has done everything possible to stem the tide of joblessness. Looking at real numbers He still insists that this is Obama’s fault. Facts? They are for morons. Hate is what gar is all about. When you look at the evidence and you can see the unemployment debacle was over the top when Obama came into office and you still blame him then you are coming from a perspective that is based in ignorance, intolerance or bigotry. Make your judgements on facts, retard or go over to the corner and shut TF up. This is Republican economic failure that has gotten the country in this shape and now you want to put them back in office? Idiots.

You have been laughed off this site for your childish name calling. Why are you here? Why do you exist? When are you going to seek help? You have already won the LIARS Cup.

Another epic pandering by Mr. Christopher.

1. Big difference between missed quoting a statistic and using selective editing to paint someone as racist.

2. Schultz never apologized. If you thought that was an apology then you need more help then previously thought.

3. Al “race baite” Sharpton never even attempted to apologize.

Just admit you’re a microphone for leftist talking points. I can accept that more then your recent attempt at fair analysis. Then again I don’t expect much and I won’t hold my breath.

You telling someone else that truth isn’t important it truly one of the funniest things I have ever heard. Am I right people!!?

I’d say they will probably find Tommy, but the last time I asked him how the view was from BO’s colon, he played the censorer in chief card.

You making an assumption I’m not willing to make.  He knows exactly what he does.

The liberal media consistently does that and I don’t remember Mediaite reporting it or you getting riled up about it.  Hypo!

I don’t know your dog, but I’m gonna go out and on an limb and say you are probably right.  I think it’s a pretty safe bet. 

Royal Dimwit, you routinely assume facts not in evidence.  Does that make you a Hypo also?

Sorry Mediaite, as we have seen, everything that happens when one is president is the president’s responsibility. We saw that with Bush, and this is something Barry truly legitimately “inherited”!

Wow, you think he spent his 1st 2 years in office dedicated to solving joblessness in this country.
A majority of that time was spent on a watered down health care mandate that might not make it through the courts.
Since he’s taken over we’ve added a couple points to our unemployment rate, involved us in a new conflict(Libya), added trillions to our debt, we’re still in a housing market crisis (even with many different loan modification programs),class warfare, a downgrade by Moody’s, and schools who are turning out morons almost as stupid as you.
Ideas are great but how you implement them determines winners and losers. This administration is inept in the process of implementation and therefore are suffering the backlash.
Don’t worry, with 1 Billion in campaign funds, CNN and MSNBC in their back pockets and trained dogs like you I don’t know if it’s possible for him to keep fcking up his wet dream.

TC deleted my comment about the fact Mediaite ignores lots of lies and edited footage that comes from the Democrat party media. Go to Newsbusters anytime and see all the stories missed by Mediaite. 

They’re lying, kook? Outright lying?

Maybe they’re just following the President’s lead. What great patriotic Americans!

Hey Ed, how about pointing that out once in a while?

Kook has already demonstrated that he’s a liar and a hack, so keep your expectations low.

In the pantheon of journalistic (not that any of these people claim to be journalists, as far as I know) misdeeds, an inaccurate statistic is several orders of magnitude below a deliberate altering of a sound bite so as to accuse the speaker of a racist statement.  Ed Schultz is a propagandist and a liar, and should be fired. 

Who needs facts when I’ve got my little slurs? TRVTH, bitches!

Grow up.

I’d be more interested to know the rate at the time of the 2008 election.  It was very clear at the time the Dems and Obama were the driving force of the policy of the time.  Bush was going to share policy decisions with whichever candidate won to ease the transition since it was clear it would be the new President’s problem to deal with, Bush/Reid/Pelosi were only getting things set up as an initial effort.  It was very clear from the start his wasn’t going to be an administration that’d remove the O’s from all the keyboards in the White House or otherwise trash the place in a fit of disrespect for the incoming administration. 

Translation: “I have no response to your pointing out my ignorance.”

Lies are the stock and trade for Rush and Sean – why apologize.  Its not a mistake for them its their career.  In Rush’s case distortion and indignation over false claims are the exact reason he exists.  Ailes and he have partnered in this with virtually unbounded success.

Is that not obvious to everyone paying attention?

Lies are the stock and trade for Rush and Sean – why apologize.  Its not
a mistake for them its their career.  In Rush’s case distortion and
indignation over false claims are the exact reason he exists.  Ailes and
he have partnered in this with virtually unbounded success.

Is that not obvious to everyone paying attention? 

All this bitching here.  If you don’t like Mediaite then why do you people read it?  Why do you comment? Go to a more right wing nut job site where you can agree with everything.  Everytime a reporter writes a story here you don’t like you all trash the reporter.  You all need to go somewhere that is more your cup o tea.  Leave.  Im sure Beck’s Blaze or Fox Nation would love to have you.  Anyway, keep up the good work Tommy, don’t let the same old 5 or 6 right wingers here screw it up for everyone else.

The many lies include claiming Obama inherited an unemployment rate of 5.7%. 

The racism, and there are many examples, includes telling a black caller to “Take the bone out of your nose and call me back.”Did you read the article?

I am just going by personal experience. Every republican I know as well as the ones I work with always argue with talking points. They never criticize their Presidents in power ie; Bush 1 and 2 and Reagan. Reagan today would be laughed at by the Tea party if he were alive today (raised taxes over 20x and passed comprehensive immigration reform) Nowadays, the way repubs talk you would think Bush was the second greatest president ever to sit in office.

No one had to say “terrorists” about the Tea party, your buddy Mitch McConnell already pointed out that “America was a hostage worth taking for” and his sole purpose in office was to make Obama  1 term president. he clearly did not win office to do the bidding of the people who elected him in office…like create jobs…

No one is defending what Ed said…I am saying Rush and Sean never apologize for ANYTHING…even though there are many instances when the appropriate thing to do was apologize. Just yesterday Rush made a bonehead comment about calling Obama an Orbameo reference to him being an oreo cookie) clearly racist and highly offensive in nature..think he’ll apologize for that? I won’t hold my breath.
here is the link..I couldn’t make this stuff up…

http://www.theroot.com/buzz/rush-limbaugh-triple-double-oreo-should-be-called-or-bam-eo

I am calling out ALL who lie and distort the facts. What you don’t seem to understand in my statement is that they never apologize for remarks that are untrue or incite violence such as Palin and her website cross hairs which brought about anger and motivation to an individual to shoot and almost kill a congresswoman. misstatements and lies have dire consequences

A list of some of the lies and distortions declared as truth by conservatives, tea baggers, repubs;

-There is a liberal media bias. This lie is not new, it
is what those like Fox and Rush Limbaugh use to justify their incredible
bias. The reality is the true bias appears obviously on Fox News, Talk
Radio and so called Christian Broadcasting and bias is far right.

-Americans don’t want health reform. One reason Barack
Obama was elected was his stance on health reform. In addition when
Americans are polled on what is actually being put into legislation they
are overwhelming for it.

-Obama is the most partisan President in History. The
facts prove he is quite the opposite. Even with their clear announced
intentions to fight every thing President Obama does, even with their
attempts to block, stop and not give a single vote to any legislation
that is being worked on on behalf of the American People, the President
has compromised anyway much to the distress of the left.

-The Health Care Bill was Rushed. This lie is laughable.
It was 40 years ago Senator Edward Kennedy gave his first speech on the
floor on the need for Health Care Reform. All we have heard about since  summer of 2009 is Health Care Reform.

-The Stimulus was a failure. Really now? Did I miss the
second great depression we were heading toward? Am I missing soup lines,
food rationing, massive closures of retail stores? Am I missing
thousands of boarded up banks and financial institutions? Is the auto
industry gone? No of course not the stimulus, the TARP and other things
implemented by President Obama and his economic team stopped the
bleeding from the deep wounds left by the Republicans and George W.
Bush. All with less then 1/2 the Stimulus money being actually spent to
date.

-Health Care Reform is going to pay for abortion with Tax dollars.
No, it never was, it never will. From the very beginning the Hyde
Amendment which prevents the use of federal funds being used for
abortions was affirmed in the language of the Health Care bills. There
was never any attempt to take that out. . This was a lie plain and
simple to confuse and delay the bill, period.

-Death Panels. Though most Americans do not believe this
one, it was however perhaps the most sick, and most ignorant lie of the
year. It was brought to America by that lovable brainless barbie doll,
Sarah Palin. It wasn’t long after it was picked up by the Tea baggers,

Now let me sit back while you all try to justify these statements as fact….I am getting dizzy just from all the spin that is about to take place…

 I never said all republicans, but let’s face it, there are little if any moderate republicans left in politics. They are either called RINOS or moved all the way to the extreme right to appease tea baggers. I actually have great respect for republicans like Milton Friedman, Noam Chomsky and even William F Buckley, Republicans who would be considered too moderate for the extreme right who have clearly taken Lincoln’s party hostage…

I’ll reply when you can verbalize more than one word at a time to make your statement..

“They just won’t discuss any issues with anyone that disagrees with them.
That isn’t a free thinker. That is the definition of a closed mind.”

Funny, that statement reminds me of a group of ppl in Congress who have been blocking every piece of legislation Obama proposes in order to force him out of office. Republicans clearly prefer to win beating Obama than winning for the American people…

So maybe Hannity and Limbaugh used averaged figures to exaggerate their claim about Obama’s failure, is this a surprise? If you think that the cretins over at MSNBC are any different it speaks to your own lack of intellect. 

One would think that NBC would want it’s Program hosts to have more integrity than let’s say a Radio Talk Show host anyway, but then again we are talking about NBC aren’t we..

As far as the Bull Conner reference, maybe there is some deep seated racism at play with Rick Perry, after all he is a converted Democrat so some of his earlier tendencies may still linger.

Ugh.  Why does the left (all the way up to the White House) constantly attack FOX News, talk radio, and on and on and on?  Couldn’t your advice work for them too?  The whole “just don’t watch/listen/read/etc” theory?

You just replied. QED.

While I think that both Rush and Sean should correct their mistakes… let’s not put these “mistakes” on par with each other.  Tommy, you’re better than that.

Rush and Sean got their facts wrong, or flat out lied about the numbers.  But that’s still a far cry from purposely mis-editing a quote, to present someone as “racist!”  They’re even in the same ball park!

Fat white adult males who can be pushed to a seething rage can, over time, cease to exist due to heath risks.

I advocate keeping Schultz as livid and as rage-filled as possible.

Addition by subtraction.

I have considered your words and have reasoned my response.

You’re a friggin idiot!  There is no other rational response.

I was challenging Tommy’s premise that Ed had “apologized”.  As a white person, if I had been accused of being a racist (one of the worst things you can be called other than “rapist” in the world today), this is by no means an apology. And Hannity and Rush (or Lard as you call him) are not people I get information from so I don’t care about their misinformation the same way I don’t care about Ed’s misinformation. Now if they FALSELY accuse someone of being a racist like Andrew did with Shirley Sherood I will blast them.

PS… Rev Wright was a racist and they didn’t have to edit his word to make the point that he was and is a racist. And as we have seen since Obama’s election Wright has also show himself to be antisemitic.

I’ve read alot of these comments, I think most miss the point…MSNBC and FOX are both biased.

Although I will point put that certain shows like, “Morning Joe” and Dylan Ratigan seem to have no problem with beating up both parties.  But, MSNBC’s decision to employ Al Sharpton (who is just as big a party hack as Sean Hannity) needs to be re-thought.  The Rev. Sharpton showed up on “Morning Joe” yesterday and seemed way out of his league (if you didn’t know that Pat Buchanan was against the Iraq War, you’re poorly informed)

There’s a big portion of the population that is conservative and liberal that don’t bother to take the time and do the research it takes to get beyond the talking points. I think for a lot of working class folks they just don’t have the time. That was supposed to be the role of a solid press but they have abandoned it.

What it takes is an effort to overcome our bias and team sports mentality in order to value facts and reason. The idea that one party or the other is the enemy is juvenile BS. We’re all Americans sharing a nation and a society.

Yes he did work on jobs. It was called the Stimulous package. This in all llikelyhood kept the jobless rate from skyrocketing to 11 or 12%. Of course your myopia refuses to let you see this. Healthcare? You have a problem in trying to get all Americans covered by insurance? You would rather see 44k people die a year from being without insurance? You would want to let your family members not get insurance for a preexisiting condition? You want your house taken from you if your medical bills are too high? What is wrong with you? Class warfare? You bet there is class warfare. It is called the rich stuffing the middle class in a bottle and throwing them in the ocean. It’s the greatest gap between rich and poor than has ever been? You can’t dispute this. This is the result of years of Republican economic policies starting with the idiot Reagan. Interpetation of facts… that is your morass, mate. You Cant Understand Normal Thinking.

Well they didn’t make that clear. In fact, I was listening to Rush’s broadcast live when he mentioned the 5.7% rate. I knew right away that was wrong. I thought actually that it was a dyslexic moment and he just meant to say 7.5%. But that’s still nothing compared to intentionally editing a clip to make a Presidential candidate sound racist.

Well they didn’t make that clear. In fact, I was listening to Rush’s broadcast live when he mentioned the 5.7% rate. I knew right away that was wrong. I thought actually that it was a dyslexic moment and he just meant to say 7.5%. But that’s still nothing compared to intentionally editing a clip to make a Presidential candidate sound racist.

Correct. It’s all about cheap contrived controversy and conflict rather than truly informing the public on relevant issues. The fact that the public buys into it is pretty unfortunate.
People that make those false contrived BS statements should be laughed off the air as dishonest and irrelevant, whether they are on Fox or MSNBC.

Why is Comcast still letting this guy on air ?

I dare Ed Schultz to push himself away from the buffet table.

There you go!
Maybe you and Tommy can meet later for a nice Candlelight Dinner!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp

At least you’re being honest, and your point is so clearly made that it should leave little else to talk about..  Unlike the outrageous fact less based claim of Prog4life above..  If you are watching or listening to opinion shows you should pretty well understand that they are produced with a political bias, and you should do a little fact checking before you take what they say as gospel truth..  otherwise you become one of their useful idiots…  kind of like Prog4life..

5.7 “someodd” and 5.6 are not the same number.  You are a liar!

Beating Obams IS winning for the American people.  Try to keep up!

Yup. There’s nothing wrong with what Perry said and there’s nothing wrong with what ABC quoted. The problem here started with Big Fat Ed’s big fat mouth and with his scandalous editing hackery.

Yes, as a liberal, I am much smarter that the average person.  Yawn. 

Obama suffers from victimization more than anyone, perhaps you should focus your attention on him. 

That clip doesn’t misrepresent what was said. Obama was stating a fact. He was right. Hannity playing him stating that fact is just that. More context does not change the fact that was stated, nor does it make Obama any more right about that fact. Further, Hannity did not misrepresent Obama at all. The closest he came was offering his opinion as to what Obama would do in the future.

What is the lie, bob? Clue us in.

Thats where you went wrong “I think”

Look there is no bigger liar then Rush and I mean that both ways

What a fat tub of shit.

And to go after this website? What a joke. Mediaite has continually given him a pass.

HE NEVER APOLOGIZED FOR THE CONTENT – HE APOLOGIZED FOR THE EDITING.

And Mediate continues to call it an “apology”. It’s as if you’re all too stupid to understand the difference — perhaps you are.

How you try to absolve your side of any blame in the financial crisis of 2008, but the facts do remain.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/29/video-democrats-insist-nothing-wrong-at-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2004/

“What a fat tub of shit.”

We assume you’re speaking of Limbaugh, right?

So you say using the word racist denigrates true racism then you call someone a racist? Then throw in KKK for extra measure?

And this from “Prog4Life”.

Priceless.

And this from “Prog4Life”.

Priceless.

Rush and Hannity have a standard it’s just so low you can walk over it and not know it. That is thier appeal outlandish statements thats thier “hook” what will he say tomorrow?

Wait.  Lying is better than taking a quote out of context and then apologizing for it?  Really?!?

You assume recrimination is argument. It isn’t. I bet the aggregate IQ at your local WalMart drops when you enter.

Look at you Fox is the king of Media manipulation and they are far from even moderate!

I identify as neither a liberal nor as a conservative (though I used to be very conservative in my younger years). There’s much hypocrisy on both sides, lots of misstatement of truth for propaganda purposes and an unwillingness to consider other arguments. That said, on average I find that conservatives tend to be much more fixed in their thinking, much less open to reasonable opposing arguments and much more inclined to shut off their minds to facts once they lock into a position. That’s why I could no longer identify with conservatives.

There are idiots at DailyKos and idiots at Redstate, but I know that if someone told me I had to hang out with one of these two groups, there’s no question that the DK crowd would be a lot more humane, civil and decent. I think the response to your post, below, confirms exactly what I’ve said.

At $278,000 per job, those working on the “Stimulus package” infrastructure jobs rejoined the unemployment lines a short time later, and a lot of money went to unfunded state pension plans, not jobs but we did get some expensive signs, wonder what FOO got that contract. 

For one thing, the 44K figure included people in between jobs, temporarily without insurance, illegal aliens and people that could afford insurance and chose not to.  Aside from that, instead of another trillion dollar government boondoggle it would have been more reasonable and less costly to focus on those not able to afford healthcare, those with pre-existing conditions, those who were actual citizens of the United States.

People do not die from not having health insurance, medical care is available to all, except when Medicare/medicaid rations inhalers to asthmatics and refuses life saving drugs, but that’s government healthcare for you.  Or, since doctors are refusing medicare/medicaid patients and are planning on giving up their practices once Obamacare if fully implemented, yeah, some people are going to die as they wait in line for medical care they once were able to get on a timely basis.  Yet, costs will still skyrocket because the democrats refused to deal with COSTS, only coverage.

Which part of Congress keeps voting to refuse debate on bills passed in the House?

“Shut up.” they explained.

This in all llikelyhood (sic) kept the jobless rate from skyrocketing to 11 or 12%

“In all likelihood?”

That’s an unknown, and you’re stating it as if it were a concrete fact. You could just as easily say that it prevented unemployment from reaching 60%. That’s a meaningless statement and metric you’re using, and it’s typical of the “saved or created” non-metric used by Obama to justify his administration’s pitiful record on job creation and economic stewardship.

What we DO know is that the Administration said that we needed to pass its $800 billion+ stimulus legislation to keep unemployment from going over 8%. After it was passed, unemployment made it all the way up to double-digits before coming back to hover around 9%, where it remains today.

Square that circle.

Making a mistake about the stats, is better than KNOWINGLY editing video to make someone look like a racist.

The apology (or non-apology) has nothing to do with anything.

They can spin a spin.  Funny how they stay upright, it’s making me dizzy.

List some lies for us.

Are you surprised. These are the guys given serious thought to giving
Al Sharpton a slot.
 AL SHARPTON???
But Fat Ed IS a repulsive slug!

Because if they corrected all their misstatements of fact, they would not have time to do anything else and that offends tatboy.  He NEEDS Limbaugh’s disinformation and clever racial puns (Or-Bam-eojust has tatboy giggling like a schoolboy).  And, everyone needs Hannity’s recitation of the same 5 talking points for the 1.5 hours he does a show, until it’s time to go coach guests for TV.

Forcing liars to correct misstatements of fact, Emperor, would just take away from the new propaganda they want to hear:  like how many rounds of golf the President plays or how he has a birthday or a vacation. Tatboy can’t live without that

“And Hannity and Rush (or Lard as you call him) are not people I get
information from so I don’t care about their misinformation the same way
I don’t care about Ed’s” 

I am supposed to believe you get your information from Ed Schultz?  Gotta tell you, pal, that’s hard to believe.  NO one gets news from any of the three people you mentioned there

As Pablo reads Ed’s mind…..

No, it’s not.  She was just quoting from Wikipedia yesterday about Perry’s negligent murder of Cameron Todd Willingham.  Truth is far less important than Michelle’s partisan rooting

So if you think there was any positive impact from the stimulous package and that it didn’t keep job loss from being worse, if you really think that is the case you are a real moron, This completes the circle for you. You’re an idiot.  So listen to this smart guy. With all the cuts to federal spending there is going to be more job loss and we will go deeper into the reccession. So keep cutting away TeaTards. Send the economy spiraling down. You caused the downgrade. Raise TAXES it’s the only way out. Get used to it.

He asking you if it was important to you? 

Never heard anyone dodge that question before…

Noticing a pattern.

The nothing-close-to-worse-than-what-Obama’s-preacher-said-for-20-years statements that can actually be sourced are snipped and clipped by Media Matters and presented without context, and aren’t racist to begin with.

The clips that ARE racist are all unsourced, untraceable, unverifiable and emanate from Rush-hating publications like “Flush Rush Quarterly” and the truly authoritative “101 People Who Are Really Screwing Up America.” Unsourced information isn’t credible information. Citations are needed, and they aren’t provided. The authors of such statements likely made them up, becuase they certainly didn’t hear them on Limbaugh’s show.

Cute little smear list there intended to gin up anger, but upon closer scrutiny (like all accusations of racism from the political left), they fall flat when asked for sourcing.

Mediaite: “There’s no reason to believe [Limbaugh] won’t correct this mistake.”

Let’s see what happens today. I trust that Mediaite will post about this again this evening if the day goes by and El Rushbo doesn’t make the requisite correction. I’m not optimistic. Facts are not his friends and his audience really doesn’t care.

you mean like the one he gave when the Daily Show showed him lying with crowd shots during Tea Party rallies?  That was amazingly disingenuous

Rick Perry is racist. (no need for examples, those will come out on their own in time)

No, this is what denigrates the meaning of the word and waters it down into just another insult that is slung around by the left in their daily hate campaign against their political opponents.

You’re diluting the meaning of racism by pretending that mere disagreement or dislike of a political opponent can be attributed to something more sinister than mere disagreement – without any evidence whatever to back up your accusation.

Pay attention.

When you were listening, did you catch the echo?  Since the ironic fact of that matter is that Limbaugh, drug-addled, college drop-out Limbaugh has been living inside Dick Cheney’s colon since 1999.  It’s why he went deaf after all…..Cheney emits a poisonous gas fatal to most humans at the range of 3 feet.  Still, after holding his breath fellating Reagan’s mythology all those years, Limbaugh was able to crawl up there…he’s lived there ever since.

True story

It would only cease to be a lie if Hannity’s staff cut off Obama part way through, edited out the context and inserted the rest of their truthiness themselves.

Like their hero Ed did. Then it becomes “trvth.”

You are hurting your brain.

That sounds a bit like bombing the rubble.

If the money was spent correctly look to the Republican governors in the states the money went to for your answer lame brain ala Rick Perry. He decried the stimulous while taking the money to balance his budget. So you are OK with 44K people dying with out insurance. Your ok with insurance companies denying coverage for preexsisting conditions. You’re OK with caps on coverage. You’re OK with people losing their homes to pay for medical bills. You are a real humanitarian.  This is 44k people you moron it doens;t matter who the F they are. These are people that die. Nearly 15 times more than died in the twin towers YEARLY idiot boy. You’re OK with that. I think you are right up there with Stalin and Hitler being complicit in mass murder. The problem her is the Republican obstructionist didn’t let us go all the way to a single payer solution and nationalization of the entire industry. Why do you want blood sucking middle men i.e. insurance companes pulling 30% off the top? You Can’t Understand Normal Thinking.

Except “Jeff Christie” is the source for many of them.  Still, nice spin you repeated there. 

Why does any network put talking heads on the air?

Besides, until and or unless Comcast wants to mount a major shift in programing, and take on the current monopoly holder of the right wing infotainment product pusher, they’ll be sitting on the current product they push, which is anything contrary to what the competitor sells and spins as factual news.

I dare Mediaite to correct that Betty and Veronica bullshit they published.

shut up, bovine

It’s a yawn.  Only extremist lemmings believe anything out of this blowhard’s mouth.  He does like to throw them red meat though.  I am not suprised about the regression to the racist card.  What I’m amazed at is that he didn’t call him a redneck, nazi, or stupid.  That’s the usual lemming MO.

This site is owned and operated by left of center voter, commentaries, previous employer MSNBC and who’s last name ought to be a clue to right wingers….makes me wonder…

WTF are so many ardent conservatives doing hanging their hate…ermmm, sorry, hanging their hat here?

Its right up there with letting the Huffington Post use you to generate revenue. Or does that sort of thing not occur or simply not matter to them?

– “Every republican you know” is not cause for slandering a major voting segment of America.
– “No one had to say terrorists about the tea party . . .” You are deflecting here with McConnell. The point I was making was in reference to the sudden blanket use during the budget battle. You mentioned Rep. group think, yet all of a sudden the media, pundits, and even the VP engaged in the term on the same week. 
– “I am saying Rush and Sean never apologize for ANYTHING.” Again, this article clearly provided proof of Limbaugh making his mea culpa, and Hannity famously came clean when he had been called out by John Stewart. selective memory there.
– “Just yesterday Rush made a bonehead comment about calling Obama an Orbameo reference to him being an oreo cookie) clearly racist and highly offensive in nature..”  Racist and offensive to who(m), whites, or blacks? The President is 50% lineage of each.
– “What you don’t seem to understand in my statement is that they never apologize for remarks that are untrue or incite violence such as Palin and her website cross hairs which brought about anger and motivation to an individual to shoot and almost kill a congresswoman.”  Your ignoarance on this is legion. Lougher was shown to be a mostly leftist wingnut with an obsession of Giffords.  The Dem party was the first to place cross-hairs on an election map, and the Lib domain Daily Kos not only repeated the same just days before the shooting, they had a piece where the writer repetedly proclaimed, “Giffords is dead to me!”.  So how is that Palin’s fault again?
– “When Americans are polled on what is actually being put into legislation theyare overwhelming for it.”  Uh, wrong-o. Polls showed about 50% opposed the UHC when initially tabled, and after a year of Obama campaigning for it that nunber grew to around 66% at the time it was (barely) signed into law.
– “It was 40 years ago Senator Edward Kennedy gave his first speech on thefloor on the need for Health Care Reform. All we have heard about since  summer of 2009 is Health Care Reform.”  Another way to look at this – America has opposed a sweeping health care program for 40 years.  And if this is such a wondrous plan why has the President granted over 1,000 waivers to businesses to avoid the program?
– “the stimulus, the TARP and other things implemented by President Obama and his economic team stopped the bleeding from the deep wounds left by the Republicans and George W. Bush.”  I’m sorry, did I miss the economic recovery in this country? Obama said we HAD to pass his stimulus to keep unemployment below 8%. It failed to do so, and he has ramped up deficits to record levels with zero improvement in any sector of the economy.
– “Death Panels. Though most Americans do not believe this one, it was however perhaps the most sick, and most ignorant lie of the year.”  When Palin mentioned this they were still crafting legislation, and once it was pointed out the Dems removed that portion from the bill, then they turned around and stated there was no such provision.  It had existed at the time she first talked about it.
Not talking points but facts.

Newsliars? Really? LMBAO!

a witty response indeed.  Are all texans stupid or just the ones posting on this board and running for President?  And, why do you call people a cow?  Makes no sense.

Do you just pick random nouns (although it’s true, the preferred usage of bovine is as an adjective, it can be a noun) and throw them in Tourette’s style?

Exactly! Give that LT a cigar.

You’ve got some nerve. Who is denying reality while repeating lib talking points. Ed is a liar independent of any other “facts”.

One trick pony much, mrs. philby?

One trick pony much, mrs. philby?

All news stations edit video, adding the word ‘lie’ doesn’t give your statement credibility. Brilliant comeback, are you going to Harvard?

(PSST… the typical left-wing line is that this site is perfectly balanced, and tilted to the right.  Acknowledging that it’s left-of-center doesn’t help their argument.  You’re gonna get in trouble for not towing the same false line.)

Oh, and does that mean they’re allowed not to be honest about their bias, or that they don’t have to tell the truth? I don’t think so.

Of course it no coincidence, the righties all get the same memo each morning. 

HLA again, folks.  Hypocritical Liberal Anger means that Royal has to say things like that, without realizing what a fool it makes him look like.

HLA… Hypocritical Liberal Anger.

Royal is as nasty and mean as he wants to be… but don’t YOU dare complain!

Oh SNAP!

DVS.

Well, will you?

Zing !!

Tommy had to turn the attention away from MSNBC..or risk the loss of all that “pop-up” ad revenue.

It looks like MSNBC is using cadaver makeup on Ed now!

Please don’t let facts get in the way of your brainwashed view of American Politics..

You said; “I am calling out ALL who lie and distort the facts.”

Can we start with you? Because you also said;

“All with less then 1/2 the Stimulus money being actually spent to date.” -  When infact some 85% of the stimulus money has been spent..  http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/default.aspx

You said; “-The Health Care Bill was Rushed. This lie is laughable.”

But Nancy Pelosi said “We need to pass the bill so we can know what is in it”  In fact the Democratic congress insulted the taxpayers of this country by paying a speed reader to sit on the house floor and read the bill that they would not be bothered to read for themselves.

You said; “-Americans don’t want health reform. One reason Barack Obama was elected was his stance on health reform.”

But ABC polling said ” Washington Post-ABC News poll released yesterday — the same day a federal judge ruled that a key provision of the law was unconstitutional.
Forty-three percent of respondents said they supported the health care legislation, compared to 53% who said they were opposed.”

Even better to illustrate how well educated and intellectually thoughtful Progressives are I will conclude with the words of your Minority Speaker, who was then Speaker of the house when she made the following statement.  

“Every week we don’t pass a Stimulus package, 500 million Americans lose their jobs.”  Of course she said this before the 2010 census so maybe you can argue that she had overestimated the undocumented intrusion over our border to the south. 

and I just can’t resist her quote on Unemployment…

“It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name.” 
So in response to your comments that Republicans cannot think for them selves “subjectively” which really makes little sense to me as I would much prefer to take an objective approach to issues, I will assert that DimiBrats bring even less intellect to issues than does their leader in the house Mrs. Pelosi.

Go away Ed, no one cares what you say!

Same can be said for any infotainment show host.

lol…thats no snap.

I agree that both Hannity and Limbaugh should make corrections.  I disagree with Mediate’s implication that the 9% unemployment rate should be attributed to Bush because even though O was in office, his stimulus had not yet been enacted.  Obviously, markets operate based on anticipation of the future.  Uncertaintly or anticipation of the implementation of bad policies could well have been what created the 9 percent rate, including the early rev-up for Obamacare.

Further, I assume Hannity and Limbaugh’s comments were careless errors.  They should look stuff up before spouting it off.  Still, Big Ed intentionally falsified Perry’s statements.  What’s next?  Calling Greyhound One the Black bus is racist?   Barack Obama would not have been elected had he been white.  For many conservatives (Krauthammer, Will, Noonan) including my white self, his being black was a plus. (though unlike these esteemed writers, I still opposed him).  

Can we just stop the race angle at this point.  Seriously.  Apart from a small minority of authoritarian conservatives (none in the national media or elected to office), the entirety of the race card is played by the left.  How about this:  don’t play the race card unless it is in response to someone else playing it first.  What’s next?  Don’t use “niggardly”?  Oh yeah, that one was used a few years back.

What not all inferred hat did you pull those questions out of?

lol…as if the right has any concept what facts and truth are.

Gee, I never heard that one before. Maybe you should quit your day job and do standup comedy. 

“Truth is far less important than Michelle’s partisan rooting”

You just can’t make this shit up! 

Ed Schultz uses the tried and true Democratic stragety of not owning his outrageous attempt baselessly paint Perry as a racist, but lashes out at his conservative counterparts as if that is somehow an absolution of guilt!

In the business world we consider these types to be marginal employees, those who will not take responsibility for their actions, we get rid of them as they are not those whom we can build our businesses.

Hating Limbaugh is “partisan”?  Wow, that’s weird, since I know tons of Republicans who claim not to listen or care for him.

Still, parse away

Except “Jeff Christie” is the source for many of them.  Still, nice spin you repeated there.

Actually, if you read the link you posted (you didn’t), there is no source given. The pseudonym “Jeff Christie” appears in only one of the entries (not “many of them,” as you stated) without audio or transcript or a date given – and they can’t even decide which radio station it was allegedly broadcast on. Very authoritative indeed. There are several other comments throughout the entry that are completely unsourced and unverifiable.

It’s some leftwing Rush-hater claiming that Rush said something early on in his career under a pseudonymn, with no audio, verification or transcript to prove it.

At least with Media Matters, you can hear a clip or read a partial transcript (albeit out of context, which is what MMFA does). With the other “quotes,” you have NOTHING to verify that anybody said it, let alone Rush.

So that’s why the Snopes article is considered “mixed” truth, becuase so many of the “quotes” listed there are unsourced hearsay, and the ones that are sourced aren’t “racist.”

Just becuase a white person says something about racial politics or the media’s coverage of a football team doesn’t mean that he’s a Klansman, champ. Adult recognize this. Children don’t.

It might help your “argument” a ton if you actually read what’s at the links you post.

How about I’m not on drugs? or I didn’t doctor shop or I wouldn’t send my houskeeper for my dope?

This is just another one of those ( thousands of ) situations where libs must just sit down, shut up, listen & learn the facts of Obama.

The unemployment rate jumped as soon as ” real ” American business owners realized Obama won the election.

Over the following year the rate spiked all the way up to, then over 9%. 

This is all because of Barack Hussein Obama and his reparations based manifesto, not George Bush, Donald Trup, the Tea party, ArabSring or even Irish Spring for that matter.

Obama and his ” Death to America & Israel ” agenda suck & the ” real ” American people have spoken loud & clear.

We want Barack & Michelle Obama out of our White House & our lives sooner, not later.

If he cuts the crap, keeps his mouth shut and doesn’t steal anymore of our money we’ll wait till next Novermer.

If not it’ll be impeachment time in Washington……you’ll see.

So if you think there was any positive impact from the stimulous package
and that it didn’t keep job loss from being worse, if you really think
that is the case you are a real moron,

The stimulus’ stated purpose was to keep unemployment from rising above 8%. It failed to do so.

If you’re claiming it’s some kind of success to have 9% unemployment and nearly 20% in real unemployment (when you count the poor souls who have given up looking for work), you might be an Obama supporter.

This completes the circle for
you. You’re an idiot.

I’m not the one heralding 9% unemployment as a success story for my President and his policies.

So listen to this smart guy. With all the cuts to
federal spending there is going to be more job loss and we will go
deeper into the reccession.

By your “logic,” we should then make government spending 100% of GDP and have no private property, becuase that would get us to full employment.

FAIL.

So keep cutting away TeaTards.

Bedtime reading for you:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-06/payroll-tax-holiday-on-the-table-as-negotiators-debate-bush-rate-extension.html

What? Democrats wanted to raise taxes before being kicked out of their majority by the voters, and Obama stopped them?

Send the
economy spiraling down. You caused the downgrade.

The downgrade happened on Obama’s watch, under his policies, under his supervision, with his record debt and the future impending debt of the Democrats’ “Great Society” as the catalyst. 

Raise TAXES it’s the
only way out. Get used to it.

So let’s raise taxes to 100% for everyone, and we’ll be prosperous and free in no time. It’s the only way.

What the heck are you trying to say?

Can someone help me turn that into English?

Does The Ed Show really matter to anyone other than MSNBC and the wacko progressive left.

Interesting post. Well thought out. We must drop the race angle!

I agree that we liberals need to let go of the race card once and for all. (I have.) Actual racism at the national level is nowhere near as common as it was, and it used to exist on both sides. By now, it is nothing but a distraction from the critical problems of the economy and the our overall direction.

Now about corporations and the market: I maintain that the stock market does react to politics, but individual corporations do not. All responsible financial analysts show that while the stock market has risen and fallen by as much as 500 points from one day to the next, the actual value of the individual corporations have not changed by one cent. It is the investors who are freaking out, not the corporations.

I reiterate. Corporations do not decide that they can grow because there is a Republican president, or that they must shrink because there is a Democrat president. There are three things that are important to corporations (businesses at all levels). Those three things are sales, sales, and sales. A good product will sell under any political regime, even a socialist one, but a bad product will not sell under any political regime.

Any businessman who decides to wait for the next presidential election to make and sell a good product will be out on his can in a week.

I really do not have the time to deal with your manifesto, but you should really sit down and read the Health Care Bill with your lawyer. You do not grasp the taxes that are going to be inflicted on your life.

“Cheney emits a poisonous gas fatal to most humans at the range of 3 feet.  Still, after holding his breath fellating Reagan’s mythology all those years”

Nope, not partisan at all, LMAO.

OH….I see.  you took my attempt at humor seriously…once again cons can’t take a joke.

here’s a hint, Navy guy, Limbaugh really doesn’t live in Cheney’s colon.  Cheney does not really emit an poisonous gas (as long as his mouth is shut), and Limbaugh did not actually fellate the myth of Reagan.

I’m sorry that you cannot the tell the difference between my critique of michelle (fresh from explaining how Perry didn’t try to hide the fact that he allowed an innocent man to be executed in 2004) and my making a funny.  For concrete folks such as yourself, it must be truly odd to learn that other people attempt satire……I mean, unless that person is Rush Limbaugh.

There is delicious irony in being called a partisan by a partisan.  How is that plank in your eye?

“OH….I see.  you took my attempt at humor seriously…once again cons can’t take a joke”

Yeah, I figured. Partisans never make jokes about their antagonists. Keep digging, that hole just gets deeper and deeper. I’m sure you are quite the moderate….ROTFLMAO.

The truth is, it honestly matters little whether or not Limbaugh or Hannity issue corrections or retractions.  Their fan base will take the numbers they like and run with them, with their sole objective being the diminution of this President and they don’t care how they do it.

These lies/misquotes or only telling the part of the story that helps their cause are common place in the cable news media. That is why it so important for us the voting public to do our own fact checking.  The cloud that hangs over partisan media especially conservative talk shows is they will say most anything to discorrect the current President in their attempt to make him a one term President.  You can also even see this in the negative ad campaigns the conservative have started to run even with out a named candidate. I have fact checked many of these ads and they are filled with misrepresentation of the truth.  I don’t know about the rest of you, but I have had it with cable media and the 2012 election have not even really got started.  The perdictablity of a show like Hannity is on the same plain as watching reruns every night.   

Oh felix how right you are and Tommy here I believe works for the Administration……..

Oh felix how right you are and Tommy here I believe works for the Administration……..

As for Mr. Limbaugh’s misinformation.  Listen to his bits, when he plays a montage of liberal media types quoting him.  He then will play what he actually says.  So if you want to cry misinformation call out MSMBC. CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC.  Listen and learn that you are being manipulated by a media that wants to be the news, wants to decide what you need to hear (their words).

They have all gone off the deep end, ” black cloud”?? Are they kidding, I have used that phrase all my life for different things, and Shultz should know better, I didnt even see it that way when I heard it, but leave it to the liberals to right away think its racist, that shows who really is racist.

SICK………………SAD

Here’s a thought Tommy – instead of playing referee on the media pundit school yard, why don’t you examine the facts and then report on why NOTHING has changed in the unemployment sector SINCE Obama’s policies HAVE been enacted.
“when Barack Obama was inaugurated, and as he has pointed out many times, soared to 9% before a single policy of his was enacted” true – it jumped from 5.8 in the summer (July) of his campaigning for Pres. to 6.8 in time for the November election. So clearly he understood the jobless rate was growing exponentially fast, so instead of focusing on policies geared to amping up the private/public sector jobs, he let Obamacare take the lead policy and tear the nation apart….and despite all Obama’s BS, and lip-service, the unemployment rate has stayed at basically the same level, Why? What did the 800 million pay for, where did it go ?  Find the story in those statistics. Obama is doing nothing to stimulate the job sector although he sure like to hear himself talk about it. “jobs saved” quantify that – even Obama can’t.

Uh, lmomsixi, he constantly edits those comments and clips them.

Otherwise, let’s leave it at you and I agreeing to disagree.

You are partially corect but it is a bit more complicated, it isn’t about sales or selling a product. It is about investing in industries like engineering, chemistry, science (energy) – and those jobs are absolutely 100% tied into who sits in the Oval Office. The EPA just added over 9 million in regulations (in one month) that will lead to jobs killed. It hinders growth and keeps America from becoming a leader in the areas of energy and technology. A president’s policies are the very thing that set the trajectory for a corporation.  - for example, if it is a wise and fiduciary move to even stay in the US or move to another country for manufacturing. Trade policies for Dems and Reps are vastly different and this has a direct result of shifting business. 

I’ve got a better idea. Why don’t people like you take sometime out of their valuable day and seek out the facts yourselves.  You may be a little surprised and what you find out! 

I know the facts- you clearly missed the point of my comment. If an ‘investigative’ reporters job is not to investigate, but rather to call out those, who want them to call out others, because they were ‘unfair’ in their media coverage, what does that make them- a reporter or someone who earns a paycheck for not doing their job thoroughly, or a paid fact checker?  My job as a citizen is to know the facts -I do. 

As for Sean Hannity, if Ed Schultz is willing to apologize when he makes a mistake, surely Hannity’s viewers will expect no less from him, and will hold him to the same standard that MSNBC’s executives have set, even for opinion hosts.

Don’t hold your breath on that ever happening.

Here are the facts from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.  Unemployment rates started to steeply drop when Obama was elected. 
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

I’m all for an on air correction by Hannity for the wrong numbers but make Schutlz apologize for calling Perry a racist for that comment. He only apologize for cutting off the video and never went went back to apologize for what was the real issue and that was race baiting. Evec Mr. Christopher’s correction is pretty much a non-correction. Fix your own people’s standards first before asking for something your side won’t ever give.

Nope. I’m saying race-baiting denigrates real racism. If you can find evidence that Perry is a racist, I’ll be more than happy to listen. But to say he is a racist and there is no need for examples is asinine. 

 I think we are similar in many way Fedup but come at it from both sides of the spectrum. I am one who believes that in the area of foreign policy and the economy not much separates our major political parties. Social issues I think there is a pretty big difference. I notice that both sides tend to ignore what their own party has done. I could sit here and say yea bush did TARP, Bailed out the banks, doubled the debt,invaded Iraq, signed off on debt ceiling increases bla bla bla. But honestly I think if a democrat were president he would have done the same thing. I really do believe that after 911 if gore were in office he would have went into Iraq. Call me crazy but I don’t think presidents have as much individual decision making as we tend to believe. How can democrats ignore that most of their congressman supported this invasion? You can say Bush and chenny trumped up the facts bla bla, but even if thats the case the democrats had access to the same or similar information. I cant ignore that Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling in 2006 but somehow most liberals can and just wash over that. The same way conservatives wash over anything that Bush or Reagan did similar to Obama.  If I bring up 250 Marines being blown up in Beriut or the tripling of the debt under Reagan the right blows it off. If you bring up 4 trillion in additional debt under Obama or the continuing of GITMO and the patriot act under Obama the left blows it off. I think the big difference between these two political parties is a couple percentage points in taxes and thats about it. Socially there is a huge difference but thats not what most americans care about. We sit here and argue about all of this but I can guarantee you in two or three years if we have a republican president in office. All of the democrats on this board will be jumping all over the republicans for increasing the debt limit, and somehow the republicans will find a way to defend it. The way I look at it is whatever the other party is for the opposing party is against, thats how they get elected. Ok rant over:)

I admit that accusing someone of racism is a horrible accusation, unless it could be backed up with facts.

However, comparing someone (Obama) with Hitler and/or Nazis also is a horrible accusation, one which I have never seen Glenn Beck or his supporters apologize for.  Nazis killed 6 million people, and they were responsible for killing some 50 to 70 million people in WWII. 

Considering the legislation that has passed and the dire state of the economy, that’s probably a good thing.

Studies have shown that once some misinformation or lies have been spread, even if there is a correction or an apology, some people will continue believing what they originally heard and spread the misinformation and lies more.

I am quiet sure Hannity and Limbaugh know this very well, although it is very rare to hear a conservative ever apologize or correct himself.  They just let others do it for them.

However, comparing someone (Obama) with Hitler and/or Nazis also is a horrible accusation”

Really?

Then why did you libs do that so many times to Bush plus threaten his life?

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

Everyone knew back in the day the liberal bents of Cronkite, Russert, Brokaw and Jennings, but they were professional enough to leave the opinions at the door. Someone asked Russert once why he didn’t opine more. He said “People don’t want to hear my opinions. They want to hear the news of the day”.

The only straight news I see anymore is the PBS News Hour and maybe Baier, Wallace, Van Sustren on Fox.

It’s very obvious to me.

Example: both limbaugh and hannity spread the lie that Obama was spending $200M a day on his trip to Asia last year.  A day later, I saw that Michele Bachmann spread the same lie.  Have any of these 3 ever apologized or corrected themselves on this issue?

Another example: Michele Bachmann made the claim during the BP oil spill that to date, the Obama administration had issued only 1 offshore oil drilling permit when in fact to date, the Obama administration had issued close to 220 offshore oil drilling permits.  When Bob Schieffer of CBS asked her about this, she did not answer the question but instead said some nonsense along the lines, well, they haven’t issue very many.  220 sounds like a lot to me, but maybe I’m wrong.  And the number 1 is certainly a lie that came from Bachmann.

I know a LOT of conservatives that were highly critical of the Bush admin. Maybe you just need to get out more.

The healthcare bill is irrelevant. In the end, the courts will deem the individual mandates unconstitutional (which they are imho) and without that piece, the whole bill crashes. But if it is ever made law, you are right. And the taxes will be MUCH worse without the mandate. That was the financing arm of it.

Beautiful.

Why listen to any of these people?  They all have agendas — right or left.  Think for yourselves.

Know-nothing Sergeant  Shultz should apologize for 1. Existing. 2. Being so damn fat. 3. Polluting the air.

Any effort to expose this drama queen to facts is a total waste of time, he would rather spend what little time he has left flailing in the deep screaming  and blaming everyone else and their dog for not being able to swim.  He’s stuck on stupid, imho.

Where are you getting these EPA numbers. You may want to take a look at

http://www.epa.gov/lawsregs/regulations/ail.html

By the way a game without rules is chaos.  We have seen what industry can do living under a non-rules based structure. We are still reeling from lack of controls.  I agree we need to be careful not to over regulate, but the same people bitiching about the last gulf spill are the same people bitching about to many drilling regulations.  They are also the same people bitching about concerns for our children and grandchildren being left with to much debt.   If we don’t regulate what goes on in our environment our children and grandchildren will have bigger worries than a debt.

“My job as a citizen is to know the facts -I do” 

Good please do so…..

The social differences you feel exist are not so large as your think, it is more our perceptions of what is practical and impractical..  Personally I do not know anyone who would not reach out to another in need if they could help make a difference..  You may not realize that most conservatives, not all but most, were liberal in thought at some point in their lives, through the years they changed their views as to what is practical and what is not, those changed views can also have an effect on what they preceive as right and wrong but an honest person can not deny their youthful dreams.   There is an old saying that used to go something along these lines, “If you are young and a conservative you have no heart….  ” I will end there as you would not care to much for the second half.  But most conservatives can identify with that old saying.   I can agree with you on many things, I would probably be a little bit defensive on Reagan as he was played by congress, but there is no dening that the debt was increased considerably during his administation.  Bush was just fiscally irresponsible, there is no denying that once you look at reality of his policies.  Obama is little different, he lacks Bushes direction and passion for the office even if Bush was misguided at times, he pushed his agenda.  Obama just seems to me to go with the flow, and relies to heavily on the advice of others, his progressive leanings have caused him to surround himself with progressive thought, while the responsibilities of the office have restrained him on acting on much of the advice he is given, this has resulted in dissatisfaction from both sides. At anyrate nobody seems to have the answers and the problems only seem to get worse, I hope that if the left learns nothing else from the Tea Party that they learn to turn out the old school politicans, there is much work to be done in DC..  and there is compromise to be found, but I feel that the establishment on both sides will fight the real change in Washington that our country desperately needs.   They need to quit all the fighting and figure out what it will take to make us competitive in the global market, if they can not do this then they will solve nothing, not the deficits, not the unemployment, the social problems will only grow as our economy sinks further…   I believe you have probably read a few of my rants crying for complete tax overhaul, and regulatory reforms, I have no problem with increased revenues to the government, but I can’t believe that we would simply raise the marginal rates or cut a few loopholes.. Our tax codes were written for a different America and filled with special favor that does not help our people or our country.  We have got to beable to create a system that takes into account the 21st century global econmy, and find ways that adequately fund the government while encouraging investment in America.  It is also time to address waste in government, before maybe it did not matter but now it does, both in principle and in practical savings..  the government needs to convence America that it can function in a manner that we can have faith in.    

so in fat head shmuts world falsely accusing someone of being racist and doctoring video to bolster those claims is the same as making a one percent error in govt’ statistics, like all white liberals, fat head shumts thinks of minorities as his personal pets, to manipulate and mis edjumicate

The figure was released from the EPA about 3 weeks ago- it is their estimated cost of new regulation passed in July: $9.5 million.
I didn’t say I was against regulations, I am pointing out the correlation between policy and jobs. I think we are both in agreement that regulations are needed and necessary- and will at some point fly in the face of big corporate interests – who are driven by the bottom line.
In context of the Devils Spawns comment however, I was pointing out that whichever party is in control has a direct effect on the numbers of jobs in certain areas of commerce. That our economy isn’t just driven by ‘sales’.

let his record be his master those are the facts all you guys ever say is prove it. prove he isn’t look at his record surely you can find something

 Well you are obviously not a translator. I like to engage in actual debates and not deal with dim witted talking point repeating marginally employed fools.

 Well you are obviously not a translator. I like to engage in actual debates and not deal with dim witted talking point repeating marginally employed fools.

What’s your problem?

Go tell the CEO of Dow Chemical Company that he should not worry about sales.
Go tell any saleswoman that she can take a break until a Republican gets elected.
Trade policies are different? Look again, but IF there is a difference, Dems are the ones that want to protect jobs in America and your health.
Now, show me the proof that there were NINE MILLION new regulations in ONE MONTH.
Can you possibly believe that? OH. You meant $9 million dollars worth? I still need to see them.

Which reminds me. Michele Bachmann promised $2 gasoline. How will she accomplish that?

Look. Take this as a personal insult if you want, but I’m tired of talking to pretend business experts.

Let me repeat myself. Don’t hold your breath on that ever happening.

Ha ha ha…     Jon Stewart had more fun with Schultz’s “big black cloud” misstatement  about Perry than I’ve seen him have in a long time.   Appears that Jon and staff think Ed The Flaming Torch is as silly and stupid as the rest of the country.   He should be a late-night comedian, except Ed is rarely that funny.  Usually inadvertently.

Rush and Hannity were wrong, but only in perspective. The AVERAGE unemployment rate in 2008 was 5.8% according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics - http://www.bls.gov/cps/prev_yrs.htm and http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2009/jan/wk2/art02.htm It was up to 7.2% by the end of 2008. So, whoever did the research was sloppy, but apparently not deliberately or “grossly” inaccurate.

Thank you.

As Stan Marsh, from South Park Colorado would say: “that’s completely reasonable”

Purveyor

Bruce,

About 10 years ago, I found humility.  I am one Conservative/Libertarian who will apologize when appropriate and even when unnecessary.

I just wanted you to know that…

Purveyor

Curiously, you failed to take your own advice here?

My response would have been: “point taken.”  (Granted, FONG was a bit aggressive or bellicose, but…) 

Purveyor

huh?

Here’s the problem with the Ed Schultz “challenge.”  Schultz’s edit was no mistake or misspeak. Rush and Hannity’s unemployment statement was.  Apples and Oranges.  Schultz purposely sat up the whole scenario, edited video and put words in Gov. Perry’s mouth to insinuate that Gov. Perry is a racists attempting to play off of the Tea Party hate meme.  Schultz act was malicious.  On the other hand Rush and Hannity’s statements were natural mistakes. They both had their figures wrong no doubt but they didn’t attempt to erase the original employment numbers and replace the original numbers with their own numbers.

Schultz got you to go with a false parallel in order to mitigate his wrong doing and you bought it.  Please where are the logically educated among us?

All three of these idiots, Limpbaugh, Shwartz and Hanspud are all hard core ideologues, of course they lie and mislead, it’s part of their day to day desperate act to discredit the “enemy”. Their grand contribution has been to add to the divisive war of words that is American politics today. What’s laughable is ideologues think they are smarter than the rest of us, yet they are the ones with the least amount of intellectual curiosity and lack the ability to change their views on topics even when science or other tangible evidence clearly dictates they are wrong on a specific issue. These blowhards are bad for the public discourse on politics. Does MSNBC do anything else in their night time talking head segments besides attack Repukes? I’m no fan of the Repukes, or the Dumbocrats for that matter, the two most powerful special interest groups in the world, but it’s boring already & so lopsided in it’s “content” to not be credible information…

“…if you’re not a registered independent you’re just a wanker sheep, grow a pair people, create some unique thoughts and check out politi-facts or fact-check.org and see how many of these buffoon politicos constantly lie and manipulate information, they’re all about “We the Dumbocrats..” and “By the Repukes, for the Repukes…” wake up people!!!

Every state received stimulus money to create public sector jobs, but to the credit of Texas and their tax and regulatory policy that is friendlier to capital than most of its U.S. state peers, they have provided an enormous slice of the new jobs pie during the Obama administration.

The AVERAGE unemployment rate for Jan-Oct 2008 was 5.55%  (or 5.6% if you round up)
The AVERAGE unemployment rate for 2008 was 5.8%
The mistakes were not qualifying their number as to time period and as averages as opposed to a monthly figure as  Mediaite and others typically want to use. 
The facts remain, however, that unemployment rose after the Messiah took office and remain stubbornly high despite his repeated claims to jobs being his #1 priority.
Source:  http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

Go Rick Perry get rid of all giveaway programs.

Sam,e as the lefties Pal

Sam,e as the lefties Pal

Hey Royal I don’t think you could tell the truth if it bit you in the ass

No No Michell, they will surly find Ed the talking horse

It’s a shame how polorized the parties have become. The left lies and the right lies. It’s difficult to find the truth.  One of the greatest presidents in history, Ronald Reagan, is probably rolling his eyes from above.

Perspective? Its partisan hackery.What Bullshit. The point is the rate already close to 8% before he was in office and 9% before he had any policy in place.