Good God!  How desperate are democrats?     

I didn’t contact her either. Guess I’m a terrible person. Oh wait, because of Giffords policies and voting i lock stop with Obama’s policies, Palin ‘targeted’ her to be voted out. Years AFTER the crazy man that shot her became obsessed with her. Seeing Giffords handing out meals yesterday was sick. Has she done it before? Because now it looks like they are trotting her out to sell books. 

The guy is so busy with helping his wife recover that he’s had time to WRITE A BOOK? Uh huh. Thats cashing in on tragedy and its a sad affair. 

I can understand the guy being pissed but his anger is misplaced big time. That supposed crosshair map had nothing to do with the shooting and was a fabrication of a liberal media looking to create a Tea Party link and to condemn conservatives in general. We can all agree that the shooting was a terrible tragedy but neither Sarah nor anybody else had any sort of link to this act carried out by a mentally disturbed individual.

Congratulations media for turning fantasy into fact.

This has never been about Sarah Palin. It was a kook with a gun.  Why is this a story for Piers Morgan, Mediaite or anyone else?

Gabby seems like a good woman.

Her husband is a fool.

Sorry, wingnuts but you own this one, too. When you place someone in the crosshairs, bad things can happen. Simply because this kook did follow your advice, does not mean it will not happen in the future. You do not have to look further than Palin’s home state to see the effect of this type of rhetoric. Does the Alaska Citizens Militia ring a bell?

This could be a democratic crosshair commercial….Nah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epdJWNA65oY&feature=youtu.be

How does mark feel about the guy who shot his wife in the head and killed those people? I imagine in his world that’s just slightly worse than palin.

You have got to be kidding! He was surprised Palin didn’t contact them? If any tea partiers survive a trip to hell..will the pathetic lemmings in the liberal “media” demand an apology from Maxine Waters? We can play this game all day..liberalism is truley a mental disorder, here’s the proof.

Well since Gabby & all the other reps who had “targets” placed on their districts were shot & injured also by crazy LIBERAL shooters, it just proves his point that this was Laminated fault……..wait……..what?……no other “targeted” reps were shot?…….Just Gifford was shot?…….by a proven Democrat voter & suppporter …….well it’s still Pain’s fault!

Sorry, should say “Palin’s fault” not “laminated fault”. Why my DROIDX picked that word I do not know :-)

I don’t blame Palin for not calling him.  He’s a moron.  Astronauts are engineers and essentially know nothing of the political process.  John Glenn was unquestionably the most adept astronaut-politician, but he was never the statesman that his popularity would have permitted. 

I mean, if Bill Clinton had been as popular and well-known as John Glenn was when John Glenn entered politics, then just think where’d we be today — high growth, low unemployment, good health care, all the things that make up Bill Clinton and the Cult of Competent and Caring Government.

The word ‘campaign’ is a military term. Guess the liberal wizards-of-smart better do some word-smithing quick, before someone else gets hurt. where’s the outrage, Mediaite?!

This guy must be from outer space.

… even looks like an alien.

This creep Mark Kelly is a real cheese-ball who must have left his brain up in space. Why would Sarah Palin contact him? She didn’t know him or Gabrielle Giffords, and the lefty media would have quickly shouted “Sarah Palin Consumed with Guilt & Anguish” or some such nonsense.

Why didn’t Mick Jagger contact Gabby Giffords?

His music may have caused this shooting.

Another idiot Obama supporter speaks…LOL

How’s that hopey changey thing working out for ya?

BS. Only Loughner “owns” this one.  Libs own the unreasonable claim that Palin is somehow responsible.

No surprise, Sarah Palin is not known for being a classy act.

an alien with a bad mustache.

Have another drink…

Remember, Jared Lee Loughner was a crazy right winger. A right winger who had a copy of The Communist Manifesto amongst his possessions.

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”-Barack Hussein Obama

“Astronauts are engineers and essentially know nothing of the political process.”

And the current crop of politicians do?  If a person can figure out how to control the most complex machine ever assembled by man, I think he could navigate the face-palming world of partisan politics pretty quickly.  Not to mention, that’s the first argument I’ve ever heard stating that astronauts aren’t accomplished enough for a particular job.  Now I’m not saying all astronauts would be good politicians, I’m just stating that considering their extreme ambition and competence, I’d take an engineer or astronaut over a career politician any day.  Wasn’t Herman Cain just boasting of his engineering background as part of his foreign policy credentials at Tuesday’s debate?  Anyway that was a very poor argument, Ralph.

When are you hard left wingers going to apologise to Jackie Kennedy?

If the BP guy chokes on a chutney-coated lamb bone, democrats will be to blame..remember the “boot on the neck” comment? Where’s the new tone libbies?

If it makes you feel any better, it wasn’t just the “laminated” part that made this sound really stupid. 

I do not believe any “left wingers” placed JFK in cross-hairs.

Say, do you think good ol’ Georgie has figured out what a derivative based upon a sub-prime mortgage is? So which clown from the Republican field are you supporting?

Say, I have an idea. Since the cross-hairs idea generated such a ground swell of independent voters, I feel the Republican party should make it standard fare in all their advertising.

When is somebody on the left apoligise to the Kennedys for Lee Harvey Oswalds actions?

…Wow.

Mark Kelly and Gabby Giffords still being targeted by pitiful and relentless Republicans on this site.

…What a poor, but true reflection of their reptilian and soulless party.

Still, it’s good to know that they are both very positively vocal about the incident and how it affected their lives.

Gosh, chaps, let’s have a think here. Which one is more likely to have set Loughner down the path of crazy that he had clearly been on for years? “Sarah Palin’s crosshairs” on some capaign website? Or an entire childhood and adolescence spent watching Hollywood movies that glorify murderous tyrants like Che  and encourage young idiots to mindlessly idolise  ”revolutionaries”, like that stupid V for Vendetta film that inspires those stupid “anonymous” masks?

And who’s more responsible for the shootings, the idiotic education establishment whose concern about this ticking, snarling, buzzing, complete obvious lunatic only went so far as to care that he would be removed from their classroom but didn’t care enough to get him committed? And his idiot parents who were probably too scared and spineless to do the same? 

Or some guy who owns a gun shop?

I agree, but there are those who will turn her to a victim in all this.  Which she isn’t.  She did cause or influence the man to shoot her (though the shooting out of her headquarters windows may have been.) but she wasn’t shot either.  

he never said that it did. 

he became an astronaut. To quote Ayn Rand, “What have you done?”

so do you think her headquarters windows being shot out was connected?

when did anybody in this article say that?

when we learn to spell

People tend to have a drop in sympathy when they’re falsely accused of being responsible by the victim or their family. Sorry about that. Shocking, I know. Now, when are all the relatives of people who have been murdered because of liberal criminal justice policies going to be invited to the logic-free hellhole that is Piers Morgan’s show?

The Left never has to apologize…it’s in their Charter.

as he said, its not only republicans

So according to all the comments I can say this and it’s just fine. 

I hope Sarah Palin meets the next Jared Lee Loughner really soon. Wink, Wink. 

I mean by all this messed up logic that’s okay right? I love right winger logic, it leaves you all warm and fuzzy inside. But in all serious why would anyone want to make a martyr out of someone who has been irrelevant from the moment that John McCain conceded. Here is where I agree with the right wing logic….no reason to talk about Sarah Palin anymore. Ever. 

Say..do you remember the stock market at 14,400 and unemployment at 5%. Didn’t think so..the sub-prime mess is on you feel-good libs, own it. The economy went in the shitter in ’07 when Princess Nancy and that Morman guy took over the congress. Good thing they “drained the swamp”. Too bad it took the country down with it. Thanks.

He mentions it in the book.  He said he would meet with his parents.  He knew he was sick.

I am answering a lot so I will stop now.  Don’t want to be Stonepark Ver 2.

LMFAO
If you knew anything it was a hard left winger who literally put JFK in the crosshairs!

he was neither, he was schizophrenic.  I don’t believe they have nominated anyone.

‘Now, when are all the relatives of people who have been murdered because of liberal criminal justice policies going to be invited to the logic-free hellhole that is Piers Morgan’s show?’

…Logic free?!?

It’s official. The pass he’s gotten because of the tragedy is over. Done. He is a complete asshole. Why wasn’t he complaining about the Democratic Leadership Council that had a very similar map with target signs over districts? Or the Democrat congressman that had a tv ad that featured a crosshairs over an actual person? He’s surprised Palin didn’t call? Why would she? Is Kelly upset other former governors didn’t call him? And, it’s time we stop the silliness and admit Gabby needs to leave her office. She’s incapable of being a congresswoman anymore. It’s horrible, but that’s a fact. Oh, and, I’m from AZ, and Gabrielle Giffords was as conservative a Democrat as you could possibly be. She supported gun rights. So, I love seeing all the libtards acting like she was this liberal icon. 

If she didn’t know him, why put her in the cross hairs so to speak?

That all you got?

Really. Say I remember a Dow around 6,600. Did that make you feel good? But according to your loon world, Princess Nancy was responsible for all those sub-prime loans made when ol’ Georgie was president. I am curious. Have you ever heard of the following phrase: The buck stops here? Probably not.

til you hit the edit button, it is all I need.

apparently there is a third spelling

Translation: “Anderson Cooper didn’t invite Paul Krugman, Barack Obama, and Ban Ki-Moon on his show to officially declare that liberal sentencing encourages crime/increases recidivism, so anyone who says it must be crrrrrazy!”

Didn’t he say both sides are guilty? I believe he did.
Palin didn’t owe them a call but it sure would have been the decent thing to do after such a tragedy. Even if to say, ” I’m horrified by what happened. I never promote violence as a solution and the map wasn’t meant to do that”
Especially since so many people were talking about it at the time.

Once again, in your loon world, Lee Harvey Oswald is a “left winger”. Better go get your refill at the drug store. You are out of your medicine. 

READ THE ARTICLE!!!

“Yeah, I was surprised too,” Kelly replied. “You know, certainly the
targets that she put over Gabby’s and other people’s districts, in our
opinion, was not the right thing to do. She is not the first person to
do that. And it hasn’t always been Republicans that have done that.”

‘Translation: “Anderson Cooper didn’t invite Paul Krugman, Barack Obama, and Ban Ki-Moon on his show to officially declare that liberal sentencing encourages crime/increases recidivism, so anyone who says it must be crrrrrazy!”

…Again, logic free?!?

I think neither,  He was (and still is) schizophrenic.  It is a disease that causes hallucinations and have extreme paranoia.  The only movie to influence him was “Waking Life.”  He believed in lucid dreaming and thought this world and its “currency” (not monetary) were products of the second lucid consciousness.  He wrote her a rambling letter asking about this and she ignored it.  That is what set him off.

If Oswald were alive today he would be the poster boy for the Flea Bagger movement.

when did anybody in this article say that?

They both wrote it together.  However I am sure he had more too say with her being shot in the head and all.  Also a lot of insurance companies (not even government issued, thus the problem with PTSD in the military) will not cover brain related sickness or injury.  It is one organ that we know little to nothing about (as compared to others in the body) and there is very little chance of improvement.  She is not in the norm in this.  She has had a miraculous recovery.  That money has to come from somewhere.

“Especially since so many people were talking about it at the time.”
You’re  basically admitting the only thing Democrats have left is numbers. No logic, no solutions, no credibility. Just a lot of people who “feel” a certain way. It’s like, you’ve managed to all escape from the asylum and you’re running around the nearby village with pitchforks and torches shouting “2+2=7″ so, somehow… you’re saying it’s at least the POLITE thing for us to do to stick our heads out of our 2nd floor bedroom windows and say “well yes I suppose it could be 7 in some alternate universe”.

You and every other disgusting, skin-crawling member of the Obama cult have been boasting about that since before he was elected in 2008. Countless internet encounters where young Democrats just  flatly ignore opposing arguments and boast about “well everybody’s voting for Obama so you’re wasting your time arguing”. Truly frightening.

touche’ but it is covered in the book.

So you have nothing to say about that  “Lyin’ Ass B–ch?”

when did Giffords or Kelly accuse Sarah Palin?

Schizophrenia doesn’t just appear out of nowhere you clown. It COMES from paranoia and disturbance and self-centredness. Seriously how many violent schizophrenic people are there who were raised in Amish communities? How many schizophrenic spree killers were there in the Native American communities before the English whites conquered them? I’m gonna guess probably none especially of the latter. If you can show me evidence of mass bow-killings in Native American communities, I’ll happily retract this but even then you’re still conceding Hollywood had a bigger influence on this guy than any “right wing” institution.  It comes from  a society riddled with the kind of moral ambiguity and moral relativism, and narcissism that Hollywood liberals are all about.

Also I notice you didn’t even say anything about his teachers or his parents. Those people are the real cowards, and who should be really ashamed in this situation. Just like the shrink who let that Cho guy out, but I’ve no doubt he or she in some ****ing educational worker’s union that means he can’t get fired.

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Where do you think stories of demon possession come from? This disease is not externally based. That is is like saying mental retardation is caused by listening to music. They don’t really know where it comes from, but research seems to say that it is genetic. There are reports that many famous people in history were schizophrenic, King Solomon, Caligula, Nero, Mary Todd Lincoln. Do a google search. Now as for Amish or Native American spree killings, that is stupid point of reference. There have been history of deranged murders that were Native American, however they were practically wiped out of this country before the invention of an automatic weapon. They used knives and blunt objects, not bows, and were usually caught and executed before the body count grew. As for the Amish, a religious sect of pacifists that will not use guns, there was a pretty big story a few years back when there was a mass shooting of Amish. There are murders that do take place in that community, however it is done with blunt objects or knives and they are soon caught, shunned, and put in our system of justice.

I do not believe that the right had anything to do with this shooting, as I do not believe that Hollywood had anything to do with it. However for any person or political movement to claim they are victims in this, besides the ones who are shot or dead, are the ones who are really self centered.

Ok so you are very upset that an act of violence is being linked to your political side that obviously isn’t true, but the one act of violence that maybe linked to the same woman, it is a red herring and not worth discussing.

You really want to give government, or anyone else for that matter, to take away your freedom if they deem you mentally unstable? That kinda goes against your beliefs doesn’t it? As for the parents, they were told many times and he was suspended from college barring a psychological review. So their non action is indefensible.

To quote Cenk Uygur, “Of course!”

Please, they are both government employees and have cadillac insurance coverage. Don’t even try to say the book was to pay their medical bills. 

Not at all  .  I just get a chuckle , when a commenter calls someone out for not staying on topic and then asserts their own retarded Post Hoc Ergo Procter Hoc statement.

I see you also shop at pantiesinabunch.com . Coupon ?

Insurance companies don’t cover brain injuries or sickness. That is a fact. No insurance, weather it is Cadillac, Ferrari. or Honda covers Alzheimer’s. There are entire law firms dedicated to that. Why cover something that will not get better. It is the same with any brain injury. They will not cover something like that.

Get real. The insurance policies that the Congress members have cover everything; particularly if it’s work-related. These are not Walmart employees we’re talking about here.

Moreover, the nut who shot her was a left-winger who hated republicans. (Actually, I guess he hated everyone).

Not surprising – Sarah avoids such situations.  She, Bachmann, and other delusional people have to act like such things never happen to carry on.

Stranger was how Palin holed up for a couple days, stewing about left wing and “vicious hater” blogs that tried to say she was responsible because of her constant “lock’n'load” banter.   All major news outlets had said the shooter was a nutcase (he read Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto… Hilter HATED communists), whose friend confirmed he’d held a grudge against Giffords for years because she didn’t answer one of his wacky questions “appropriately”.   But Palin chose to remain ignorant and produce her self-centered blood libel video, which was pretty much the end of her career (it defined when even Republicans started seeing this ditz was unelectable) – even Roger Ailes told her to sit tight and ride it out (similar to what she did the second time Rove said she is thin-skinned). 

Haven’t written a post about Palin for quite a while.  Glad she’s off the Repub list, but I still wish Mitch Daniels would have run for president.  We got a crop of sideshow candidates (except for Huntsman, who’s too sane to get nominated) and Romney’s not much different from Obama.

 Yes – 2+2 could equal 7 in some alternate universe.   Like when Bachmann promised $2/gallon gasoline.  In my world half of $2+$2 is $2, and half of $7 is $3.50 which is about where gas is now.  THAT would explain why Bachmann said this.  Good observation.

No they don’t. Case in point. The Sainted Reagan had to divvy up a good portion of his personal fortune to care for him later in life. He was an ex-president for crying out loud.

The crosshair map was just one incident of Sarah Palin’s lock’n'load banter.   She acted like a real Caribou Barbie up until she went on a hunting trip and had someone else carry her rifle.   Then it took her 5 shots to kill something, though she does seem skillful at clubbing halibut.   Sarah Palin was and is a self-centered poseur who knows how to get people’s attention (and money).

Couldn’t have been stated any better by anyone. One thing we know for sure – proved exactly what she was and is.

People like Palin don’t do the usual “decent” things that others do – they think it puts them at a disadvantage.   Similar people rarely say “thank you” when someone helps them because it’s like admitting they owe that person something; nor will they say “I’m sorry” because it’s like admitting they’re wrong. 

Actually he wasn’t left or right… he was nuts. I know the left (esp. Sheriff Dupnik) tried to score political points off of the shooting. And some still are (like Morgan here). But that does not make it OK to do the same thing they did (and are doing) and turn of few of his deranged thoughts into “leftist” thinking.

I know it’s frustrating to here that they expected a call from someone who had as much to do with the shooting as everyone posting here, but you just have to keep calm and call them out for it.

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In an April 7th news release, Giffords Legislative Assistant Lauren Alfred stated, “Congresswoman Giffords was injured while she was on the job and her rehabilitation is covered by workers’ compensation under the Federal Employees’ Compensation Act.”

The Department of Labor website explains that FECA is administered by DOL’s Office of Workers’ Compensation Programs. The “Injury Compensation for Federal Employees” publication (CA-810) describes the entitlement this way:”

“The FECA at 5 U.S.C. 8103 authorizes medical services for treatment of any condition which is causally related to factors of Federal employment. No limit is imposed on the amount of medical expenses or the length of time for which they are paid as long as the charges represent the reasonable and customary fees for the services involved and the need for the treatment can be shown. Federal employees are entitled to all services, appliances, and supplies prescribed or recommended by qualified physicians that, in the opinion of OWCP, are likely to cure, give relief, reduce the degree or the period of disability or aid in lessening the amount of monthly compensation. Medical care includes examination, treatment and related services such as medications, hospitalization, as well as transportation needed to secure these services. Preventative care may not be authorized, however.”

Just some Blow Hard… , excellent moniker  . I love truth in advertising !

No… she was not shot. She just had a mass murder hung around her neck. She in no way suffered like those that were shot. But to say she (Palin) suffered to verbal harassment by the MSM and Democrats is just re-writing history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJlJmtqPVK0

I think he is an actual rocket scientist too.

Grunt sez: “That supposed crosshair map had nothing to do with the shooting and was a
fabrication of a liberal media looking to create a Tea Party link and
to condemn conservatives in general.”

Incorrect.   By the time Palin aired her Blood Libel video, ALL major media outlets (i.e. “Lamestream Media”) had said the shooter had no political affiliation and had carried a grudge against Giffords for years.  There were (and always are) plenty of no-name journalist hacks (such as Palin herself) who write garbage that should be dismissed.  If someone (such and Sarah and yourself) choose to act on garbage news, it makes you look like a whining moron.  The media mostly reports what “conservatives” do – if they didn’t do/say dumb stuff, it wouldn’t get reported.  

So the truth scares you so much you can only come back with that pathetic retort?
I laugh at your “superior” Progressive “intellect” ;-)

did you read the entire article?

Why did her name even come up in this interview? She has as much to do with this as you and I.

you did read the part in the article where he said he didn’t hold anyone personally responsible correct?

He was a member of the Communist Party USA.  When he was arrested, he requested that a lawyer from the Communist Party USA represent him.

Oswald was as far left as you can get.

This guy is freakin’ delusional.  When Reagan was shot, did Nancy Reagan expect to hear a phone call from Robert De Niro – the actor who portrayed the character that “inspired” Hinkley to shoot Reagan?  Did she expect a phone call from Jodi Foster, who was the object of Hinkley’s desire and another reason for the shooting?

Using the same twisted logic that Gifford’s husband is using, Nancy Reagan would at least have some “reason” to blame De Niro.  There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that Laughner was aware of who Sarah Palin was, or that he had ever seen that infamous “cross hair map”

The only thing this interview proves is that Mark Kelly is a mouth-foaming moron.

HA! (out loud)

You would need some insults added.

Actually he was straight to the point.  It sounded really stupid.

Now if he were to argue the point like many of the (R)egressives here he would say something like…

Boy, that Rick Perry sure is dumb.

History is riddled with Schizophrenics. Only no one knew what it was back then.  Look at Joan of Arc for example, “heard voices” speaking to her and “saw people” that weren’t there. But of course blaming Hollywood and liberals just suits your agenda. You’re as ignorant as the people who made a Saint out of Joan.

How quickly you forget the events that took place afterword…………..the gaffe that Palin made making her the victim……………………………….Remember how she handled the heat of the crosshairs……..Really!??? you forgot???

Is he an astronaut or a bizarre looking liberal space alien that NASA captured on youranus?

It’s disgusting that liberals are still trying to tie Palin to this tragedy that she had NOTHING to do with. 

‘Is he an astronaut or a bizarre looking liberal space alien that NASA captured on youranus?’

Despite all that has happened to them, you effortlessly find it within yourself to dig deep to be despicably repellent and sub human.

What a credit to humanity you are…

…Congratulations.

What’s disgusting is that folks like you want to make Palin the victim out of this entire ordeal. 

Do you ever take a break from hating Palin?  Good grief get a life.

1) You either did not watch, or are politically blind.
2) NONE of your analogies work.

And if she had done that, you libs would’ve claimed she is feeling guilty.  Face it, you would be attacking her no matter what she did.  If she had contacted her, it would be because she wants to be in the lime light.  She can’t win with you libs.  You live to hate her, period. 

Nice to know I can hang anything I want around a liberals neck due to OWS. Thanks for the heads up. :)

This whole non-story is so full of shit.
Just the normal Palin attacks by the evil left-wing dogs.
FUKEM!!
 

So what…

Not true.  I know who the victim is.  I’m just sick to death of you libs trying to blame this on anyone but the LIBERAL gunman.  From the second it happened, you wanted to make it political.  It was disgusting how the liberal media and their leader Obama acted in the aftermath.  You should be ashamed, but I’ve come to the conclusion that nothing can shame liberals anymore. 

No more than bricks being thrown through Republicans windows. Or that one Dem office that was trashed by is own campaign worker who didn’t get paid… I like that one.

So no… I don’t think you can hand ANYTHING around Palin’s neck (or any member of the tea Party) any More that I can blame OWS for acts of violence out of their control.

Then why did he expect a call?

” I’m just sick to death of you libs trying to blame this on anyone but
the LIBERAL gunman.  From the second it happened, you wanted to make it
political.”

lol funny

Why does he think Palin should have contacted him? No reason for her too. She doesn’t know them and she was in no way responsible for what happened to Giffords.

She didn’t know him. She put Gabby in crosshairs. Keep up.

I like both Palin and Gabby. I dislike Mark.

“From the second it happened, you wanted to make it political” 

….   Hmmm well let’s see. She’s a politician. She was at a political meeting. Palin’s map had political targets.  You know what sweets, no one is “making” it political because it actually was about politics.

Amazingly, this guy is what qualifies as an “astronaut” in America today.  

What a bozo.  No wonder NASA is one big FUBAR.

Sarah is no one’s victim and she never will be.

When Mark chooses to address any Palin-related question instead of bluntly saying, “Palin isn’t a part of this. This is the act of a single lone person who needs help.”

Why do you love her so much? You betcha, she has good catch phrases and all but just what is the substance?????

Just because you’re not smart enough to see the validity in my analogies, doesn’t mean they’re not valid.

Hollywood has been using violent imagery in their movies for decades.  And, there have been numerous acts of violent crimes that have been inspired by these movies.  Does anyone expect Hollywood to either stop making these movies after a sociopath gets inspired by their viewing?  Nope.  Does anyone expect the director to apologies when a sociopath gets inspired by the director’s film?  Nope, that would be crazy.

And, for just as long (in fact longer) as Hollywood has been using violent imagery in their movies, politicians have been using martial language in their stump speeches and campaign materials. 

About the same time Sarah Palin released that graphic, Barack Obama was telling his supporters to “get in people’s faces”.  Should Obama apologize when SEIU goons attack peaceful protesters exercising their First Amendment rights?  I’m sure you don’t.

Months after this incident – and after Obama told everyone to temper their rhetoric – James Hoffa Jr told a crowd waiting for Obama to speak to “Take These Son Of Bitches Out”.   Did Obama ever apologize for those comments, either at that event or in the ensuing days when the White House press corps badgared Jay Carney for a comment?  Nope.  The White House refused to even offer a comment on Mr. Hoffa’s remarks.

Is Mr. Kelly at all concerned about that?

Probably not.

So what we have here is a plot by conservatives to put “target cross hairs” on Democratic areas so Liberals in those areas shoot each other?  Remember; the guy who shot his wife was a far left liberal, sick in the head, but also a far left liberal.

Gifford’s husband is milking it for all it’s worth…..

Want to bet that they bring her out like the pawn she is at the 2012 convention?

Palin is certainly an embarrassment to humanity, but who really cares about this?  Bottom line is that Giffords is getting better.  Sarah has become increasingly irrelevant.  Let’s keep it that way.

The shooter wasn’t a follower of Palin, he was a liberal, Obama fan.  You libs will do anything to whitewash that and pin it on Palin. 

This guy is just showing what an idiot he is! Why would Palin contact him. Dems don’t get tired planning people for something they had nothing to do with. Kinda like Obsma blaming everybody but himself foe the desastrous things he’s done to this nation. The only readon this guy is doing this is to get publicity. Dems and Hollywood drones know if they mention Palins name it’s an automatic time on tv. Palin will continue to get trashed because she’s the only one with balls to call out the Dems. That why she must be destroyed in their minds! Go Palin!

Will it be political when they trot her out like a puppy at 2012 Democratic Convention?

When did I profess my love for her?  I’m just sick of innocent peole being smeared by ignorant liberals. 

Hate is too strong a word – hating (or fearing) Palin, Bachmann or O’Donnell is like hating/fearing a smurf – these people always end up irrelevant (thankfully they can’t do too much damage because of general elections).   Most people are (or were) bored with Palin’s constant criticism, finger-pointing, and inability to rally supporters to promote solutions (similar to Arafat – they waste their position and support).  Some people had disgust reserved for those such as con artists – though as Americans, we have the freedom to pay such people.

He went along with the premise that Piers Morgan presented, so in effect he did.

Gee did this dirtbag say anything about Sarah when she was targeted ?

Right.  And I guess it was just to much for palin to simply pick up a phone or drop a note to them.  She had time to pen her “blood libel” speech though.  Palin was, and is, a complete crackpot.

I hope she does get to speak at  the Convention. Gabby Giffords, unlike Palin, still has a political career. 

Your defense of everything Palin might have been a clue.

If they are so irrelevant, why can’t you liberals stop talking about them?

‘Gifford’s husband is milking it for all it’s worth…..’

No doubt..

… A genius and brilliant deduction.

Mark Kelly the US Space Astronaut would clearly much rather his wife was in this self contributory condition of health, so that it would enable him to use her as a political ‘pawn.’ 

It is this very type of awe inducing thinking that’s going to make the Republican/Tea Party Presidential Nominee debates something for all to marvel towards. 

…or not!

The naivete and willful blindness runs so thick here, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

In fact, both Bush and McCain warned several times that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac needed to be reined in by Congress. According to the record. Bush brought this issue to the attention of Congress no less than 17 different times.

So, yeah, clearly George W. was asleep at the switch.

http://www.norcalblogs.com/post_scripts/2010/07/mccain-and-bush-bothed-wa.html

And you know what Barney “My Boyfriend Works There” Frank had to say about that?

“The more, in my judgment, people exaggerate the threat of safety and soundness, the more people that conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the Treasury, which I do not see, I think we see entities that are fundamentally sound financially…and withstand some of the disastrous financial scenarios…and even if there were a problem the federal government doesn’t bail them out…but the more pressure there is there, then the less we see then in terms of affordable housing.”

Later, Mr. Frank also said this, in 2003, in response to further Republican efforts to get control over the loose cannon that was Freddie and Fannie:

“I do think I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and
soundness that we have in OCC [Office of the Comptroller of the
Currency] and OTS [Office of Thrift Supervision]. I want to roll the
dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidized housing…”

Do you understand that — “I want to roll the dice a little bit more…”? Or do you need that snail-mailed to you, written in 36-point type, with a flaming arrow attached?

Seriously, you Democrat and liberal apologists need to wake up to the fact that you can’t any longer deep-six the evidence of malfeasance, dereliction of duty, and well-practiced stupidity that exists on video these days. After all, it’s why sites like Mediate exist, but you just keep plugging away as if it were the good old days when CBS, NBC and ABC could just whitewash the whole thing from sight.

This is, of course, just a wild guess but there were probabley one or two other people who did not contact him either.

I don’t have to love someone to defend them against baseless attacks. 

Who gives a crap why? Fact remains that St. “It’s All About Me” Sarah should and could have had the decency to call and see how she was.

Oh, and for the record, you think that Christopher Reeve had cadillac insurance? Well, he had also to have fundraisers to help pay expenses, so quit talking before you have facts … I know it’s hard, given the GOP’s penchant to do so and all…

Folks talk about irrelevant people all the time.  Next time you’re at the grocery store checkout try opening your eyes.  People, National Enquirer, Star and on and on. What’s silly is that you want to make Palin relevant just because people see her as entertainment. 

WTF is your point?  And guess what TATBOY, you’ve been one of the leaders criticizing OWS for so-called acts of violence.  Palin was as much responsible for creating an atmosphere of violence and fear as anyone.  Failure to see that is just typical right wing denial.  

You really don’t get it … you think there’s some kind of moral equivalency .. the right is so bent on GUNS, VIOLENCE, RACISM, and you try to point to something here and there that a Dem or A member of OWS may say without acknowledging your own culpability. What are you, 12? “I know you are but what am I”  Own up or shut up.

You’re quite the disgusting human being.

Yeah, sort of like the story she gave birth to Trig. That is the biggest laugher of all.

And now she’s a politician who should step aside for the good of her constituents.

I don’t hate anyone but respect has to be earned and she falls far short of that.

Stop it!  If you say Sarah Palin three or more times she will come back out of obscurity.  Frightening.

Ya, o.k. Sarah Palin did not contacted him. Neither did I…………and……….??????????

In other words…so what?

‘Will it be political when they trot her out like a puppy at 2012 Democratic Convention?’

…You really are slithering and scuttling from beneath a rock.

 Irrelevant in the sense of contributing any solutions to society or causing great harm.  These are the first comments I’ve made about Palin since she finally admitted she wasn’t going to run. 

And I’m not a liberal just because I don’t agree with Palin or most current “conservatives” – there are many more of us than “the left” or “libtards”.  I consider myself center-right – my biggest deviation from current “conservatism” is I don’t care about social issues (should be left up to states – no one lost a job/home because of social issues) and I know “trickle down” economics don’t work (money flows up from a working/spending middle class).

And the world revolves around him..

I see. The Republicans held both houses and the White House and it is the Democrats fault. Nice revisionist history.

Mr. Kelley is turning into quite the political retriever for his wife.  Everyone needs a friendly dog who will do any
of the dirty work for them.

Why should she call??? What did she need to call for… be specific? Should everyone not connected to this shooting call her and her husband?

Sure, there’s lots of blame to go around.  But you appear to have bought the lie promoted by Fox that Fannie and Freddie are primarily responsible.  That’s just not true.  Economist Dean Baker: “Fannie and Freddie got into subprime junk and helped
fuel the housing bubble, but they were trailing the irrational exuberance of
the private sector. They lost
market share in the years 2002-2007, as the volume of private issue mortgage
backed securities exploded. In short, while Fannie and Freddie were completely
irresponsible in their lending practices, the claim that they were responsible
for the financial disaster is absurd on its face — kind of like the claim that
the earth is flat.”

Theres no point in Morgan even bringing up Sarah Palin considering she had nothing to do with this event. He only mentions the crosshair map because he knows anything Sarah Palin related will boost his ratings – which is pretty low in my opinion. 

“Palin was as much responsible for creating an atmosphere of violence as anyone”

You are insane…. There is a difference between engaging in violant acts (OWS) and being blamed for a shooting you had nothing to do with (Palin). The fact that you, Dupnik, and Morgan see a connection where there clearly isn’t one is a reflection on you.

astronaut Mark Kelly:
“You know, certainly the targets that she put over Gabby’s and other
people’s districts, in our opinion, was not the right thing to do. She
is not the first person to do that. And it hasn’t always been
Republicans that have done that.”

So… do you hold Dems that used “targeted” districts for… how did you put it… “creating an atmosphere of violence”? Do you blame DailyKos for “targeting” districts? This was a media created (with help from Dupnik) connection that didn’t exist. You clearly know nothing of schizophrenia and it’s manifestations. Would you like me to take his hysterical liberal rants he wrote about and claim he was a liberal shooter??? Blame it the liberal hate machine of MSNBC??? Hell no you wouldn’t. So don’t use a mass murder to play political games.

PS… Let me know when Palin hits a cop (or any of the other things OWS people have done) and I’ll call her out for it in a heartbeat. I’m not fan of her’s and I’m glad she not in office. But lying is lying… even if it’s about someone I don’t support.

Regardless of whether she bears any responsibility for the shooting (she doesn’t), the cross hair thing was a regrettable choice of graphic.  It would have been the classy thing to do. 

So over a year later, liberals are still trying to falsely link Sarah Palin with the shooting of Gabbie Giffords???

My God these people have no shame. How much more vile can you get? Repeating a lie over and over does not make it true.

Paul Krugman ran an Op-Ed in the NY Times completely blaming Sarah Palin for Tuscon. If the shooter had no political affilliation and hated Giffords, then the media shouldn’t have even mentioned Palin or the crosshair map in the first place since it had nothing aat all to do with the shooting. 

They are very desperate. Faslely linking an innocent person to murder is as low as it gets.

Liberals are truly vile.

Anyone with a brain knows that Sarah Palin was not responsible. The only person responsible with the guy that shot poor Congresswoman Giffords. Palin herself had a drawing of her, with a target scope directly aimed at her head. What I’m shocked at is that all these pundits were making Sarah Palin responsible for the tragedy, and no one has ever apologized for the things they said/did to Sarah Palin.

Anyone suprised?

You, me, and Sarah Palin had nothing to do with the shooting, and that’s why none of us called Rep. Giffords. 

Your right. It is regrettable that anyone (including Palin) uses “target” imagery. In everyone’s defense… it has been done for such a long time I think most people doing it (left and right) have lost the idea of what a “target” really means. And a phone call may have been the “classy” thing to do. But the atmosphere had been made so hostile by Dupnik, Olbermann / MSNBC and talk radio there is no way a phone call would have not been just another log on the already out of control witch burning. I half expected pitch forks and touches at that moment in history… ala Son of Frankenstein starring Basil Rathbone.

of course BR didn’t.

You want sympathy look in the dictionary.

did you tell Him and the country you did contact him or going to contact him like Palin did. that’s the point of the article. She’s a liar.

Your hatred of Palin is really clouding your thoughts. So her choice and right to go hunting somehow affected the shooting of Giffords (contributed to lock and load banter)? 

You can hate on Palin all you want, but your irrelevant critique of her doesn’t somehow connect her to Tuscon. 

She told the country she did or was going to contact HIM.  That’s the point.

And it was Palin’s fault somehow that ‘everyone was talking about it’ and blaming her instead of blaming the actual shooter? The DNC and dozens of politicians had used the same imagery as Palin and she had as much to do with the shooting as you and I did (AKA – nothing to do with it at all). The only reason she was blamed is because her name is Sarah Palin. 

Palin’s
violence-inciting imagery troubles me also and IS a form of terrorism and a
prime example of the effects of her rhetoric. She held Jared Lee Loughner’s hand while
he murdered people with his misguided sensibilities.  I was compelled to draw a
visual commentary showing her handing him the gun on my artist’s blog at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2011/01/sarah-palin-made-me-do-it.html  She’ll go to any lengths
and keep spewing her insanity for that attention (and the money of course.)

You’re quite the psychologist, huh? Your hatred of Sarah Palin does not magically connect the dots between her and Tuscon, no matter how hard you try. 

It seems like you hate conservative women. 

If Palin knows she never contacted HIm or wasn’t going to contact him to find out how everything was she should have never lied to everyone and told them otherwise.  No matter what any of the other circumstances are That’s the whole point of the article.  Agree?

Any decent person would defend Sarah Palin from the slander that the media and liberals dished upon her after Tuscon. A crazed schizophrenic gunmen who had hated Giffords for years goes on a rampage, and somehow the shooters motive was simply because he went on Sarah Palin’s website? We defend Palin because that logic is idiotic and libelous.

The left hates Sarah Palin just because she exists and you would have found a way to criticize her no matter what she did. 

We need to take the sons of bitches out. Mr. President, this is your army!

But the problem is that he took Morgan’s bait. Morgan had no reason to even mention Palins name considering she is not connected to this event at allll. 

I was unaware of this claim (by Palin). Do you have a link? If this is the case… it does not look good on her.

He said that her crosshairs map created violent imagery and rhetoric and that imagery like that has consequences. He is trying to imply that Palins map is somehow relevant to the shooting when it is not at all. 

Of course she didn’t.  She was too busy with her own martyrdom.

I am so very sorry, but when everyone questions such imagery BEFORE violence ever takes place in light of obviously heightened political tensions, they have every right to connect the dots after it takes place.  The media would be absolutely remiss to utterly ignore the fact that people had been talking about this EXACT SITUATION occurring before it ever actually occurred.  

“Now, having said that, you know, Sarah Palin certainly is not responsible for what happened. But I think the angry rhetoric in an election year is not — it’s not helpful.”

Um, the article quite plainly makes clear that Kelly is NOT blaming Palin for anything but her disgusting lack of taste/sympathy in not sending her best wishes to a women who came this close to assassination mere weeks after Palin put a rifle scope over her district.  

Kelly himself said it best – Palin was not responsible for this happening, but she was utterly irresponsible in her use of violent imagery and language in the middle of one of the most tense political environments in modern history.  It was for this reason that people questioned it BEFORE any violence even took place.  What did Palin do when the possible lack of taste and discretion was pointed out to her?  Retreat and reload.  Palin brought this on herself, 100%.

Was Giffords talking about the possible repercussions to the violent image you mass disseminated immediately prior to her attempted assassination?  No?  Then perhaps you should STFU.

Please – PLEASE – point out where Kelly placed ANY blame on Palin for anything but not contacting him following the shooting.

“Now, having said that, you know, Sarah Palin certainly is not responsible for what happened. But I think the angry rhetoric in an election year is not — it’s not helpful.”

Why? You a birth defected liberal?

I’m sorry but yours qualifies as the dumbest post ever.
Palin had nothing to do with this horrible heinous crime.
If she would have apologized, she would have listened to you wild eyed idiots who wanted someone (anyone) to blame, and that would have been giving in to your insanity.

No reason for Palin to apologize – but you owe everyone an apology for your absolutely insane rant.

Congrats accepted, Ms. Guy?

and you would have trouble describing the proper way to cross a street.

Just dumb.  Palin had zero to do with this – in fact the only one who had anything to do with this was the gunman who stalked Gifford.  Why don’t you just get one thing right in your little mind.  You might sleep better.

Speaking of insanity, from your post sounds like you really, really need mental help.

…or we are just normal and not prone to fabricate, bloviate and make up dumb things to trash a republican.  

just a thought.

So, who else did not contact the Gifford’s?  If not, why not?  Did Mr. Gifford contact Sarah Palin when she was being falsely accused of murder and mayhem and let her know they did not blame her?  If not, why not?

So Palin was supposed to know the future. What a worthless piece you little commie fhuk. Kiss my white a$$ you wimpy fhag…..GFYourself.

I find this really offensive. there’s no reason Palin should have contacted Giffords, since Palin was not responsible in ANY way for what happened to her!  the loon that shot Giffords was apolitical–if anything a little to the left. he wasn’t a Palin supporter for sure. yet you libs continue to pretend there’s some connection.

hey, now tell us the one about the tea partiers spitting on black congressmen again. another great liberal myth.

Seek, you’ll never find me apologizing for my art.

Right, sadly she has not recovered, and for the good of her district, her husband Baldy should advise her to step down,  then he can run himself on the sympathy factor.

And scream for more gun control.

What does this have to do with Democrats?  Although, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that Palin wouldn’t contact the Giffords.  She has no soul and is the dimmest bulb representing the right in this country.  Besides, judging by the flavor of the month mentality of the Republican presidential nomination process, it would seem that Republicans are the ones who are desperate for a right wing “hero.”

what about James carvel/bill Clintons war room which was loved by the liberal media.  Crosshairs started in the 90′s with them.

Thank goodness I have people like you around to bring me to my senses.

…You’re clearly mixing up your avatars.

Oh Dear…

Sorry, Xpat48, but when thousands of the rest of us — Giffords herself included — could quite clearly foresee this happening considering the incredibly tense political environment, Palin had every responsibility to use a modicum of discretion.

I’m confused.  Who else was disseminating violent imagery immediately prior to this happening, only to “retreat and reload” when its possibly negative repercussions were pointed out to her?  

My guess would be that Kelly was too busy caring for his wife, whose life was on the precipice, to join Palin in her “woe is me” martyrdom act.  You know – attending to the ACTUAL victim, not the imagined one.

And thousands upon thousands of us found it beyond offensive that Palin would use violent imagery in the midst of one of the most tense political environments in modern times.  

No one is blaming Palin for this happening, but when thousands of people questioned such a move – again, prior to any actual violence – what did she do?  Retreat and reload.  She brought this on herself 100%.

The same “Crap” was done on the “left” & you know it. Even worse. Bulls-eye on many republicans. Oh, but, that’s o.k?

A 2 yr old does better art. What’s next a cross in urine?

Why on earth would Palin send Gifford a card? As far as I can tell Palin and Gifford have never met. I think the Gifford shooting was a terrible tragedy but it would no more occur to me to send a card than I would send a card to anyone else I don’t know. As far as Kelly is concerned, he’s just a Dem acting like a Dem. He is using his wife’s tragedy for political purposes. I’d say he should be ashamed but I haven’t come across a Dem that is capable of shame in a very long time.

Why don’t you demand apologies from the left for the violence imagery? Why don’t you apologize to the victims of the left’s actual violence at OWS?

Um, perhaps because she had been shot in the head a mere few weeks after Palin placed a rifle scope over her district?  And because Giffords herself had lamented such a move?

As far as I know, no conservative politician has been shot in the head following a Democrat placing a rifle scope over his/her district…

And which one of those got shot?  If they had, I would ABSOLUTELY expect the DNC (or whomever made the image) to IMMEDIATELY and PUBLICLY apologize.

Sweet.
Did you kiss your mommy on this fine thanksgiving day with that mouth?

Yikes.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/165/371437697_0289bc1a37_o.jpg

Moron

You have to admit she did not handle the criticism of the gun imagery well. I think any decent person would have to admit gun imagery and politics are bad for everyone and yes I know dems have used it as well. It should just be stopped. 

As for my original post, besides all the catch phrases, appearances and criticisms Ms. Palin dishes out, what substance as a leader or politician does she possess? She is nothing more than a poster child for conservatives with no real answers………………….only complaints.

doh!

you libs used the “target” thingy long before anybody else did so close the pie hole. Also, you said “no one is blaming Palin for this happening.” That’s an outright lie and you know it.

There was no claim. Stylin is just spouting nonsense.

I don’t know a single Liberal who accused Palin of murder, only that they pointed out how she contributes to the violent rhetoric that’s out there.  She’s the one who put a bullseye on Gabby Giffords regarding that sick map.  So, why then would she subsequently take it down after the incident other than the obvious fact that she KNOWS that she contributes rhetorically to the violent nature of politics in this country?  But then again, I honestly believe she’s too stupid to know the difference.  Afterall, this is the same person who so inappropriately used the term “blood libel,” while not having a clue as to the history of the phrase and where it came from.  Oh, and how nice of you to clump all Liberals together.  All I can say is how typical of a right winger. ;)

That was an op-ed where Krugman closed the comments section. I wonder why.

No one should respect you. You act horribly.

Desperate? I don’t see calling out someone who lied as desperation, but hey, I’m reasonable…

Well Outlaw, they do give big bucks through National Grant programs for such ideas! (That was back in the 80′s though.) I’m always eager to discover new artists if you want to pass along a link to that 2 yr old you know about.

“How desperate are democrats?” THAT’S the conclusion you come to, watching this? 

BR I don’t know who you are or where you stand but that’s a pretty low-ball thing to insinuate. Shocking really.

She was busy making the “blood libel” snuff film. 

“Violent” rhetoric had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting of Gabbie Giffords. The man who shot her and those other people was mentally disturbed and had no political motivation. If that is the case, why do you left wingers contially bring up Palin?

Exploiting a senseless tragedy to score political points is as low as it gets. Liberals should be ashamed of themselves. Sadly, they have no shame.

We all know who the true victim is – Rep Giffords – and we were all praying for her. Unfortunately, many liberals and the media do not know who the true attacker was – JARED LEE LAUGHNER. An atheist, marxist, believes the US Gov’t orchestrated 9/11, pot smoking apathetic loser – HE IS THE REAL ASSAILANT. This guys eyes’ never EVER EVER saw Sarah Palins crosshairs map. He was motivated by completely alternative motives… too bad liberals and the media tried scoring political points off this tragedy. 

It involved politicians but the media made it political. (As in trying to score partisan points) You really missed the point she was trying to make when she said it was political… way over your head. 

I realize that amessnbc watchers wont know this…but that crosshair map was invented by a democrat and was heavil;y used by democrats as well..did they contact gabbys husband?

She’s actually a human being (forget political labels), and another human being attempted to assassinate her by shooting her in the face from 2 feet away.

Most people would look at this morally and put the sole blame on the shooter.
Partisan hacks (our media and many liberals), would think politically rather than morally, and see how they can gain political capitol off this tragedy.
It Really is sick…

Calling them would have had no press value so why would Sarah do that?

Such mean people post on here.  You know who you are!  Let us just say that if Palin was a human being she might have thought to send Gabby a note after the accident expressing some type of thoughtful concern. Of course this would have hit the news and probably in a very positive way.  Palin DID NOT have to apologize because she was NOT at fault.  But a get well note would have been seen as a plus for Palin.  Why can’t make people make lemonade out of lemons??  It works so much better with those of us that have a brain.

Then why did Palin take down the chart?  I never said that violent rhetoric had anything to do with the shooting, did I?  But it is contributing to a toxic environment in this country, IMHO.

If you want have a discussion about how low people are willing to go, then take a look in the mirror.  How sad that you would clump all liberals together and fail miserably to make an intellectual contribution to this topic.  And you whine about exploiting a senseless tragedy?

How soon you forget about how the right exploited the deaths of close to 3,000 innocent people on 9/11 for political gain and used it to illegally invade Iraq.

Sad, really…

The fact that they are talking about Palin whilst talking about the shooting is proof enough. Palin had nothing to do with it, she shouldn’t be a topic of discussion.

It would be like Piers Morgan asking, say…. “Joe Smith from Arizona recorded a song called “Gonna Raise Hell” … is it possible that the shooter heard this song and then went outside to ‘Raise some Hell’ ? Don’t you think Joe Smith should call you and apologize for making this song?”
Thats exactly the same scenario they used with Palin. 

Pretty much.  Apparently Palin is responsible for the liberal, pot-smoking, anti-military anarchist that shot Kelly’s wife.  Oh you thought we forgot, liberals?  Nope, she was shot in the head by one of your own.  No amount of whining on TV by her husband is going to revise that history on your behalf.

Why is it that rightie women have so much hate in their hearts.  Oh my bad.  I forgot they don’t have hearts.

And surely even you can see the difference between drawing targets and saying reload, which has been done as long as I can remember, is not the same as the real violence by the left at OWS. The targets or her words was not what motivated this nut anyway. Just another case of trying to make a lie the truth.

In fact the Dems were the very first to do it back in the nintys. Plain will always be targeted because she is the biggest threat to them. They had to destroy Palin from the get go. They painted her as an idiot and airhead Obama as the intelligent one. Knowing that Obama is anything but intelligent, who are you really going to believe. Our major problem are the 53% Dumbed down Americans. The lib media gives them their talking points and they regurgitate them on cue! How we going to remedy that? Go vote Obama out in 2012!

Yes, I sure hope so.

So I guess you are better looking than he is.  Well, let us see!

When HALF THE COUNTRY accuses you of directly causing the fatal massacre of multiple people and attempted assassination of a US Congressman – you have FULL RIGHT to defend yourself.

Millions of people connected Sarah Palin to the shooting which is completely unfair and low class. 
The very fact that Sarah Palins name was mentioned alongside the Tuscon Massacre is enough to let her respond. You may disagree with the way she handled it – but she had the right.
How would you like it if millions of people accused you of causing the death of someone, based on no evidence or logic? 

Michelle you always make things the way YOU want them to be.  If you are telling me the truth send me a link to prove it.

You only post here when you have something negative to post about Palin. Grow up OLD LADY! 

Sarah Palin has blood on her hands. There is no doubt.
Vive le Canada.

And until she decides if she will run again you should just be quiet.  Oh maybe you have a crystal ball!

Tell me exactly who said Palin was responsible????  Come on Michelle name names.I will believe it if you do,

Then don’t vote for her or buy her books. Thats the best way you can show her you dont respect her.  Why dedicate the movement of your fingers to type out anti-Palin comments on the internet every chance you get? your username should be AZcrybaby, because you are yet to grow up.

I love how people like you read minds.

The DNC used crosshairs a few years ago. Were you telling them to cool it back then? 

I think Jared Lee Laughner should have called Rep Giffords. Loser. 

Such mean people post on here. You know who you are! Let us just say that if Palin was a human being she might have thought to send Gabby a note after the accident expressing some type of thoughtful concern. Of course this would have hit the news and probably in a very positive way. Palin DID NOT have to apologize because she was NOT at fault. But a get well note would have been seen as a plus for Palin. Why can’t make people make lemonade out of lemons?? It works so much better with those of us that have a brain.     

Oh my bad, I forgot to laugh at your ‘joke’ 

Oooh, another right winger clumping all liberals together.  Looks like we’re on a roll.  And yet the irony completely escapes you.  How sad…

How will she end up irrelevant if you keep obsessing over her? 

Palin is a moron, and so is the rest of this horrible country.  It’s over.  Enjoy the downward spiral morons!!! ROTFL

Hey, remember when you tried to get me banned and you couldn’t even get my post deleted?

Funny stuff.

Let’s try some reading comprehension, shall we?

“Now, having said that, you know, Sarah Palin certainly is not
responsible for what happened. But I think the angry rhetoric in an
election year is not — it’s not helpful.”

He also said that it isn’t just Republicans who’ve done this.  So, just how does that equate to “whining” in your book, Sunsetlament?

She may have been irresponsible in her use of violent imagery but the CrossHairs map DID NOT contribute to the Tuscon Shooting so why are we talking about them at the same time?

If you’re concerned about her violent imagery, the crosshairs map was taken down and Pres. Obama called for us to remain more civil in our political dialogue.
You keep harping and attributing Palin to the Tuscon shooting when you backhandedly admitted she had nothing to do with it in your previous post.
“Palin was not responsible for this happening … Palin brought this on herself” If she played no role in the shooting and her crosshairs map has subsequently been taken down, WHY are you dwelling on this? 

You are connecting 2 unrelated coincidences and acting like they are connected.

Yes, Palin had a crosshair over Giffords District but did the shooter decide to shoot Giffords after he saw this imagery? No, because Laughner had NEVER seen Palins crosshair map – the majority of America had never seen it until AFTER the shooting. 
Laughner had a vendetta against Giffords years prior to this – and that was the motivation for the shooting. He despised her and wanted to take her life because he hated the women. Sarah Palin did not affect his motives at all. 

” Sarah Palin certainly is not responsible for what happened. ” but this scumbag would like to leave the impression with the American public ,that she really is responsible. And propaganda Piers, allows him a venue to get his dishonest message out! Where is Tommy boy ,to complain about Giffords dishonest messaging?

If you really think that people would decide to go murder their congressman immediately after seeing the Palin CrossHairs map, than Giffords would not have been the only one shot. 

Logic and rational discussion is wasted on you. 

You so lack empathy.

Who? Piers or BR?

Did you send her a note?

Oh boo hoo hoo – did I pick on poor, poor accused, mistreated sarah?

You are talking out of your hat by which I mean you are making things up.  You do not know what motivated the man who shot Gabbie Giffords.  You are lying when you tell people that you do like you have done in this statement.  It is irresponsible to use violent rhetoric, that is why violent rhetoric is not socially acceptable.  If you have ever been on the receiving end of violent rhetoric – a favourite tactic of right wingers – you would know it is abusive.  To say the expression of ugly rhetoric has no impact on anyone is just utter rubbish.  

The Giffords are fantastic, impressive, wonderful people.

Palin is a scumbag and low-life supported by scumbags and, you guessed it, low-lifes. 

Palin? send a get well note?  Don’t hold your breath.  She can’t even figure out sending a note to Gabby and all of them for that matter would have been a huge plus.  She is so into herself she sees nothing beyond that and $ signs. Pretty pathetic.

It looks like the following Arizona TV station thought that CNN stepped over the line:

http://www.fox19.com/category/195974/video-landing-page?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=6488396

Just another prove that Palin has no morals and values and is a scumbag. Any halfway, decent person in her place would have made a gesture. Not for the press. Not for personal gain. Just out of decency.

Naturally, it doesn´t sit very well with the Giffords. It´s despicable. Mark Kelly is admiringly fair and rational on the topic noting simply what a decent person would have done without blaming Palin for the horror his wife and he had to go through.

This is what one of his employers said about him:
He didn’t understand or comprehend what the supervisor was trying to tell him. He was just resistant to that information
Sounds like the conservatives on this thread.

You need to change your name unsolicited stupidity.

I would suggest that Sunsetlament doesn’t understand or comprehend what you are trying to tell him.  He is just resistant to that information.  

They probably don’t know how to read.

So this typical liberal douche makes a political point off of his wife’s brain damage! He be a astro not…

Piers should use his phone-tapping skills to find out the reasons why Palin did not call the Kellys.

Go Piers Go !!!

Did Barack Obama bother to call the families of those innocent civilian families after he had deliberately given order to bomb those villages in Pakistan ???

“I find that extraordinary,” Morgan exclaimed.

“Yeah, I was surprised too,” Kelly replied.

Barack Obama is who’s responsible for Gabby’s shooting.
Jared Loughner was actually on his way to shoot HIM when he got lost in Arizona and just felt he needed to shoot SOMEBODY in the government.
That’s the way liberal lunatics think.

Did Piers Morgan bother to call up those people whom he had been responsible for phone-tapping ??? Did he call up the victims who had suffered becos he had fabricated fake war stories while he was a UK paper editor ??? 

“I find that extraordinary,” Morgan exclaimed.

“Yeah, I was surprised too,” Kelly replied. 

That’s why and how Piers Morgan is now a key anchor at CNN.

What a sick f . . . you are, and a total douchebag, giving yourself 33 likes.  How you rush to dismiss Gabby Gifford as a vegetable and yet Sarah Palin is brainless in the normal course of things and you say nothing.  You cast aspersions on a loving husband, anyone would be proud to have as wonderful as husband.  And you say THIS is a tragedy and sad affair.  A tragedy and sad affair is the so called Republican nominations.       

Piers Morgan offers his theory as to why Barack Obama had been stubbornly refused to call up the families of those dead innocent civilians caused by his indiscriminate bombing in Pakistan :

 “I liked your line about it, which is if you had had the chance to talk to her, and you were expecting to, you weren’t going to say that you were responsible,” Morgan pointed out. “But you were going to say, you’ve been irresponsible.”

Barack Obama, the Nobel Peace Prize winner, to the families of dead innocent civilians: “I have been irresponsilbe !”

Right, because conservatives have NEVER exploited a senseless tragedy to score political points have they? Fox nation just recently compared the number of people who have died at the occupy wall street protests in one day to the number of troops who died in Afghanistan.

Yeah, you people are very classy, aren’t you?

Dupnik did do something incredibly stupid.  I won’t defend that.  However his comments will effect this case as much as comments from the dog in the Son of Sam killings.

Gabby Giffords was “targeted” by Sarah Palin. Are the crosshairs meaningless?
Ask yourself. How do you legitimize gun crosshairs on a person? Kindly answer.
As a Canadian, I feel sad for Americans at this point in their history.
Today (AKA black Friday) I watched American shoppers spray others with pepper spray; and I watched shoppers in Canada excuse others to give them a place in line.
I suggest all Americans google Tommy Douglas story of the black and white cats. Tommy Douglas is the grandfather of Keifer Sutherland.

So, a liberal, pot smoking, anti-military, anarchist shot a well-liked Democratic congresswoman in the head? Wow, nice logic there, sparky. Where do you people come up with this stuff? You must have gotten it straight from the Tea party/Limbaugh/Fox News talking points. Try again.

well this story isn’t about a Democrat or leftist using violent imagery, then having the target of such imagery be shot in the head.  As a matter of fact, the last Republican to be shot in the head (Brady) was turn upon by his former party because he tried to help legislation to keep guns out of the mentally deranged hands.

R E A L L Y!!!

so by assuming what he was trying to imply, you then should have no problem assuming what Sarah wanted to imply.

Sarah who?

No, I don´t.

Gosh, how dumb can you be to mention unsolicited on the net?

Don´t answer it, it´s a rhetorical question dumbo.

so then this would be all about her than the people who have been shot or dead.

yes, call for her to step aside.  If she does, the smart money is on Mark Kelly to assume her post.

EDIT
I forgot that you seem to like politicians who when the going gets tough, quit.

who do you feel more sympathy for?  Sarah Palin or Gabby Giffords?  Just curious.

he was also schizophrenic.  John Hinkley was too.

she may have got one fired Tat :)

More like “Man, that Robert Byrd really knew how to take 2 railroad ties, make a cross out of them, soak it in diesel fuel, set it up in some poor West Virginian black family’s yard, set it on fire, terrorizing the family & possibly hanging them all while cowardly hiding in white robes & hoods.”
The proud history of the “Progressive” party

This much is abundantly true.  I’m saddened by the amount of blind rage and arrogance on this site, especially coming from the right.  I think it’s absolutely no surprise that polls are consistently finding that viewers of Fox News and the right wing meme are less informed than those who choose to not even watch the MSM on television.

No need to get so upset that you shit in your diaper…fyonalon…but at least that is more sanitary than your liberal pig-riends at OWS.Calling Gabby a vegetable is a compliment as that is 2 grades above being called a liberalShe can be upgraded to being  called a snake once she relearns how be a Democrat….but I have very little hope for that as too much of her brain went into the dumpster along with the fetuses she condoned the slaughter of.

I think me and Tat (who are opposites btw) are the only ones to agree on this issue

Yes, but he took pains to specifically criticize a conservative. You don’t hear him calling out the DLC, do you? You don’t hear him whining he didn’t get a call from them, do you? And, Palin DID say she was horrified by what happened(words to that effect)and that she didn’t promote violence with her campaign map. Don’t criticize Palin because you don’t pay attention. 

Between Gabby’s illiteracy and Mark’s comments….it’s difficult to determine just who  got shot in the head.

To Staci

I have never claimed to be anything else…

But to your point.  That act means that they will take care of her to the point of not being in danger of dying.  “Preventative care may not be authorized, however” that is insurance speak for saying quality of life is not covered.  Thus if she was a vegetable, they would not cover anything to get her out of that state.  They would only cover act that would have stopped her from being alive.

so you are happy she was shot through the head?

Thanks for proving my point!

He was talking about Sarah Palin during a discussion of the Tuscon shooting. It doesn’t take much effort to tell what he was implying. 

troll much?

I understand Giffords is the victim and I was praying for her recovery. But helloooo, the clip / article is about Sarah Palin … a la why we are talking about this. I don’t think politicians should use over the top imagery / slogans … but the bottom line is that Palin’s “CrossHair” map did NOT affect the shooters motives in the slightest bit. You cannot say that you have proof that Palin incited violence, her CrossHairs poster didn’t incite Laughner! His pschyzophrenia motivated him! The fact that Palin was singled out is appalling. 

to that point and using your argument… Palin releases a ad with cross hairs and a few months later rep from one of those districts is shot. It doesn’t take to much effort to see what she was implying.

I don’t agree with above statement, but as an argument you can’t have it both ways.

You aptly point out the sad state of affairs in this country.  Oh how I wish for the days when people actually cared about each other and worked hard to create a better society.  Oh, wait, that would be Canada.  And just about every other industrialized society on the planet except the U.S.

We are living in a right wing utopia in this nation, where the richer get richer, the poorer get poorer, the redistribution of wealth has been grossly shifted to the richest 1%, and our very own government is bought and paid for by big business.

Why even vote?

Gosh, How rhetorical is a liberal’s entire life?
Don’t answer it, it requires a sensible answer.

That is not using my argument at all. 

2 people having a conversation about an earlier event is something you can discern and tell what the speakers are implying
Saying that the reason a congresswoman got shot is because Palin had a crosshairs map is making a huge leap. Its not the same logic from my argument. The point is: Laughner was incited due to reasons other than Palin and the crosshair map he had never seen in his life. 

do you really even think that Palin came up with the CrossHair map idea as part of some sinister plan to incite violence against Democrats…? Some staffer that operates her website made it and didn’t realize the future implications that imagery could present. She shouldnt have been dragged into the Tuscon Massacre discussion 

Anyone with a functioning brain should be able to determine that a paranoid/schizophrenic man with a gun was the person responsible for the shooting. Palin had nothing to do with it, but that does not stop the left wing from trying to gen this up into some big emotional issue.

I am not surprised that Palin did not call Mr. Kelley or Ms. Giffords to take responsibility for the actions of an insane man with a firearm. If you want to blame someone for this, try going after the person who sold this deranged man a pistol and ammunition, but Mr. Morgan’s question is absurd on it’s face, and if CNN doesn’t get involved at this point and do the right thing by issuing a statement about that question they should be treated as lacking the credibility to report the news in a professional manner. This is the kind of junk you see in tabloids at the news stand.

CNN should be questioned about why they allowed that segment of the interview to be broadcast instead of what they tried to do, which is basically smearing Palin for something she had nothing to do with.

Remember I qualified this comment for people with functioning brains…

a few points…

No one is asking her to call to take responsibility.  A proper and human response would have been to call and say I am sorry that what happened happened and while my ad was designed only to raise awareness for political issues, I did not want this to happen.  I hope and pray for a full recovery and wish Gabby the best.  Now if she had said that, this wouldn’t be an issue.  In that, she doesn’t take responsibility (because she wasn’t responsible) yet acknowledges the bad form the argument took before the shooting.  That way she could support the person that is Gabby and not the political movement.

Being a right leaning person I assume you are for the second amendment. There for, if you believe the second amendment is rigid, you cannot call for the government to go after who ever legally sold the gun or ammo to this man.  Up to this point, Laughner committed no crime that would stop him from owning a gun.  The background check and waiting period were instituted by the Brady Bill (named for and championed by a republican who was shot in the head by a madman) that has been attacked by the right as being a call for government to take your guns.  So I assume you are for gun control?

Last point, I don’t believe it is wise for you to call out the tabloid-esqe business practices by any news orginization.  I have read your post coincerning and defending anything News Corp agasinst the liberal establishment.  Lets not forget the News of The World scandal, Milly Dowler’s Parents, The New York Post, or hosting an editorial that accuses the President of having a deep seeded hatred of white people.  Pot, Kettle called…

I checked out your URL – the site linked to it is full of tin-foil hat conspiracy theories and photos of people side by side with people who remotely resemble the first person. NOT CREDIBLE.

I especially liked how they compared the flag of Cuba with the Blue Star pin that Palin wears. The Blue Stars were originated for families to hang in the window of their home so people would know that the family had a service man overseas in time of war. It has nothing what so ever to do with CUBA!

http://www.bluestarmoms.org/

When a service person is killed in action and the blue star is hanging in the window, it is changed to a gold star.

http://www.goldstarmoms.com/

No, that would be giving her FAR too much credit. I believe she was caught up in the fun that is political discourse and took it unintentionally to far. By just removing the cross hairs, terms like second amendment remedies, and dialing back the us against them rhetoric, she would not be in this story.

we agree

Copying what I wrote makes you another incapable right winger. Can´t come up with something on your own, huh.

Surely, i don´t answer to dumb questions that are not rhetorical, just plain idiotic.

Again, Palin had nothing to do with this crime. Don’t over-complicate this.

The perpetrator of this crime was a known mental patient at the time he acquired the gun and ammunition. He lied on the NCIC form you have to fill out in order to purchase a firearm. Either the background investigation was not performed, or BATFE failed to do it well enough to know this guy was dangerous and should not have been allowed to purchase the gun in the first place. Have you ever purchased a firearm? If you have then you would know that it isn’t a matter of walking into a store, plunking down the money and walking out with a gun.

I am for gun control – I always aim at the intended target carefully and I don’t miss what I am shooting at.

Piers Morgan is from the home of tabloid news – that is where he got his start, and this question is a prime example of ‘gotcha’ journalism. You can try to muddy the waters all you want, but it was irresponsible for Morgan to ask, irresponsible for Kelley to give that answer, and irresponsible for CNN to air it. The network has the control of what gets transmitted so they should have done the right thing and left this segment out. Bias is bias no matter which direction it points, and it has no place in journalism. There hasn’t been any source of news not contaminated by editorializing news since the day JFK was assassinated. Since then and the advent of 24 hour news it has all been tabloid garbage.

blow much?

I do believe that Mr Morgan is a lot dirtier in this phone hacking scandal than he lets on.  There has never been an unbiased news organization since the beginning of time. It is human nature.  There is a great joke that says the Gospels are four books chronicling the life of Jesus.  They are all different.  Well that is journalism for you.

Indeed it is journalism. Lofty goals and high ideals that never seem to be met by mortal men.

Reason onemissionfivehundredseventy-five why no one watches CNN.
For Piers to suggest that Palin had anything to do with this shooting is just more blood libel.

CNN sucks; and Gabby’s husband to play along with that game, is shameful.

What that I am an OLD LADY???

You are really pathetic – AND can you use your brain to figure out is it TUCSON??

So I can place posters all over town with a photograph of Palin in cross hairs, with impunity? I think not.

LOL…someone must have forgotten the 90′s! You do remember when you rightwingers were dogwhistling a sitting potus and his wife for being complicit in an alleged murder….right?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

No , I’m noot basically admitting that, saying anything like that, or remotely implying that. You pulled all of that out of your own head, or somewhere further south. I’m talking about one particular specific situation and nothing else.

Other than that , your excessive hatefulness and insults doesn’t warrant any kind of response. It’s just ironic, you talk about a lock of logic and feelings and then just lash out hatefully at a group in a way that has nothing to do with my post. You want logic and solutions? Try bringing that to the discussion.

I’m not a Palin fan, but I think that kind of speculative bashing doesn’t do anyone any good. You’re not a mind reader, and I’m going to assume you don’t know her.

A woman was shot. A little girl and others died. How callous are Republicans that they can’t take a moment from defending the crosshairs and their girl, to even shed a tear for the awful tragedies of that day. Nor can they admit that maybe, just maybe, what Palin stands for is wrong.

Except that’s not what happened at all. Nobody suggested any such thing.

Actually, that map is still up. Palin feels nothing…not guilt, not remorse, not sympathy. She is a cold-hearted greedy woman.

You know, you are angry at the wrong party and the wrong person. what has millionaire Palin ever done for anyone, including her own family? She was going to be the big advocate for special kids; so far, she has taken $100,000 from charities to give speeches telling how wonderful Trig is. She doesn’t help feed the homeless, ever, except with her buddy the millionaire Graham for the cameras. What foundation has Sarah started with her fame and fortune? What school does she go in and help the kids? Why is her not yet graduated daughter trotting around LA with her sister? 
Palin is the master of cashing in on tragedy…and everything else she thinks will net her some cash.

It’s not hate – I kind of hate Dick Cheney and hated bin Laden for what they did.  Palin and Palinians bore me.  She’s a phony and anyone who thinks quadrupling corporate income tax to increase government revenue or nixing corporate tax to create jobs is delusional.

OMGosh!  Seriously, Mediaite?  This is a story?  

The ONLY way this becomes a story is in the implication that Palin meant to incite violence against Giffords.  Yet I don’t see anyone saying that.  At least not seriously.  Yet, as even Kelly says, both parties have “war rooms”, and use maps with crosshairs in the all of the time.

So, help me out, here … why was Sarah Palin supposed to contact Gabby Giffords?

And BTW, is Barack Obama trying to murder Mitt Romney by his campaign’s effort to “kill” Romney?

This is pure media hypocrisy.  I’m frankly stunned that Mediaite gave this story any prominence, and I’m very disappointed in James Crugnale for writing this with a straight face.  

James, tell me this was some form of satire …

Blood libel….

Just to affirm what JsBH said. Nobody ever suggested Palin call to take responsibility in that interview. In fact Mr Kelly said specifically she wasn’t responsible.

btwl Even though it was wrong for some people to actually blame Palin and her map, it’s not really a blood libel. A minor point.

Wow, you are a major league asshole.

You heartless creep.

Did you read the article Dan? 

“ CNN host Piers Morgan spoke with Gabrielle Giffords‘s husband, astronaut Mark Kelly, on Wednesday and discussed Sarah Palin‘s controversial crosshair map, which targeted the Congresswoman’s district.”

The leftstream media still blames Sarah and not the registered democrat who pulled the trigger.

I’ll take that as a “yes, that’s all I’m really capable of”

Guess you don’t know the meaning of context.

Once again, Sarah is not responsible for anything. Does the fact that she set up a video of herself (against the wishes of her boss) whining about being the real victim on the same day as the memorial service not mean anything? If she had kept off the TV, and not spoken of herself as the victim, not Gabby, who was fighting for her life, I doubt the whole thing would have taken off the way it did. But again, Sarah is blameless. You people are sick. 

Wow! He was criticizing the use of violent imagery and fanning the flames of anger and outrage by both sides. The only political point he made was utterly non partisan and directly related to his life.

Yeah, one of you’s a douche, but it isn’t him.  

Nice troll post. A++ sir.

I don’t care for Palin and I tend to be liberal, but I disagree.
The analogy of targeting someone is used in all sorts of situations all the time. As has been pointed out, it’s been used by other politicians , including Democrats. IMO, the offense is the increased divisiveness in politics and politicians and talking heads on TV painting fellow citizens not just as mistaken, but the enemy who is undermining and destroying our country. It’s purposely fanning the fires of anger and resentment rather than actually lead and encourage people to learn and be engaged. That , coupled with violent imagery , does seem like a tinder box waiting for a match.

“CNN host Piers Morgan spoke with Gabrielle Giffords‘s husband, astronaut Mark Kelly, on Wednesday and discussed Sarah Palin‘s controversial crosshair map, which targeted the Congresswoman’s district.”

What was the point of bringing it up? I think Morgan was suggesting that the shooting was Palin’s responsibility, whether directly or indirectly.

Kelly rightly pointed out that Palin and other Republicans are not the only ones who have used maps like this in political campaigns.

Morgan took another run at Palin with this comment:
““Some interesting insights in the book into who, you know, walked to the plate and who didn’t, really, in terms of political colleagues and people that she had worked for and against. Sarah Palin doesn’t come out of this very well, I don’t think, because there was a woman who at the time had been putting these cross hair things on her website and stuff, including Gabby,” Morgan observed. “And in her haste to take responsibility didn’t even bother to pick the phone up, to write, do anything.””.

He was really reaching for it, but Kelley wasn’t playing the game. So, when he failed the first time to get the statement he was fishing for, he tried again. When he went in for the second attempt he finished it by buttering up Kelley with this remark:

“I liked your line about it, which is if you had had the chance to talk to her, and you were expecting to, you weren’t going to say that you were responsible,” Morgan pointed out. “But you were going to say, you’ve been irresponsible.”

Only then did Kelley give him the response Morgan was going for.

Kelley responded, “Yeah, that’s my plan. You know, this was no surprise to us. Gabby even spoke about it before January 8th, during the election cycle, leading up to the election, in an interview. I think it might have been on MSNBC or some other — another cable news network. She made is very clear that, hey, this is what’s going on, and this could ultimately incite people to do violent things. So it wasn’t a big surprise on January 8th that — you know, that we — you know, where we knew this map existed with the cross-hairs on it. Now, having said that, you know, Sarah Palin certainly is not responsible for what happened. But I think the angry rhetoric in an election year is not — it’s not helpful.”.

That stopped short of an indictment and will probably sell a lot of books. But there is no doubt that Piers Morgan was trying to pull this out of Kelley from the outset. Kelley was a straight arrow enough to try to deflect the direct approach but relented when Morgan was obviously not letting go of it.

I didn’t infer this was a blood libel, but it certainly was a continuation of the cheap shots that Palin has been dogged with by liberal media figures like Morgan since she came on the scene in 2008. Such is the state of the smear politics of the current age.

Kelly wrote in a new book that the former Alaska governor never reached out to them. “We were never contacted by her,” Kelly said.

“I find that extraordinary,” Morgan exclaimed.

“Yeah, I was surprised too,” Kelly replied. “You know, certainly the targets that she put over Gabby’s and other people’s districts, in our opinion, was not the right thing to do. She is not the first person to do that. And it hasn’t always been Republicans that have done that.”

“Some interesting insights in the book into who, you know, walked to the plate and who didn’t, really, in terms of political colleagues and people that she had worked for and against. Sarah Palin doesn’t come out of this very well, I don’t think, because there was a woman who at the time had been putting these cross hair things on her website and stuff, including Gabby,” Morgan observed. “And in her haste to take responsibility didn’t even bother to pick the phone up, to write, do anything.”

So, help me out, here … why was Sarah Palin supposed to contact Gabby Giffords?

Because it was an incredible tragedy and there was a lot of talk about violent imagery in politics and her map in particular. It would be considerate and decent. That’s all. Consideration and decency aren’t requirements. 

and exactly what was that discussion?  Maybe those details matter. Where in the discussion did anyone suggest Palin was responsible? I did read the article. Did you?

Michelle, haven’t you learned by now to not respond to me with those broad inaccurate generalities like “you libs”

I actually defended Palin against those who falsely claimed she was someone how responsible and was labeled a conservative by some for my efforts.  I’m no fan of Palin , but I am a fan of decent and realistic reasoning.
She wasn’t responsible and she wasn’t the first or only to use targeting imagery. That said, it would have been decent and considerate to at least contact them. But consideration and decency are not requirements.

FTR; I don’t hate Palin at all. She seized her moment in the spotlight and made her fortune. Nothing wrong with that. 

Loughner had threatened Gifford in the past prior to the shooting. That ignorant Sheriff knew that and did nothing. Loughner never saw the map with the cross hairs on it so the whole “Blame Palin” crap is nonsense.

It had nothing to do with anything but the leftists are still spreading their “Palin hatred” now Piers Morgan and CNN are responsible for spreading the HATE.

With the attacks made on Palin by the media, she had no obligation to call anyone which would have been an admittance of some sort of responsibly which she did not.

Opening hypocritical wounds by the left, that’s all Piers Morgan and CNN were trying to do. Ratings over journalism.

“TMP”

Well no. She was blamed because she’s a prominent  conservative who happened to use cross hairs on someone who was shot. She didn’t deserve any blame, but , because of how it played out  the crosshairs , the shooting, and the publicity, contacting Gabby or her husband would have been the decent thing, and IMO the politically smart thing to do. 

Another type of hate to go along with racism and all the other negative propaganda that we see in politics these days. The saddest part is the number of people out there that will not question the hate if it comes from the correct hater – in this case, CNN’s Piers Morgan.

There are none so blind as those who will not to see.

Agreed. OBTW, mtclayboy is gone, keep an eye out for the NEW mtclayboy.

LOL

“TMP”

Not so much bashing as observation.   Three years of Palin, and many years with other people.  A few years ago, my older sister told me “Some people just don’t say they’re sorry” – I don’t have friends like this, but she is – it made me think.

So has the DNC reached out to all the Congresspeople they targeted in the last election?  – Like when they put $2M in to Michelle Bachmann’s opponents campaign, for example, just saying what’s good for one party is good for the other. Or did John Dingle reach out to his opponent an apologize for for all slanderous lies he had running in ads?

Yet another blessing of the holiday season!

What happened?

Disgusting that Mediaite, Morgan and Giffords would use this tragedy for liberal political gain.

How would “tea” scum see that as desperate?

This is a low life set of liberals exploiting his own wife shooting.  What a pair of vile human beings. 

Bag, nobody did that! Your lying hate is wasted!

We draw target on districts that we are going to target in a race. It is normal. This is a low life set of liberals one one that is exploiting his own wife’s shooting.  What a pair of vile human beings.
Vile, Vile , Vile

We draw target on districts that we are going to target in a race. It is normal. This is a low life set of liberals one one that is exploiting his own wife’s shooting.  What a pair of vile human beings.
Vile, Vile , Vile

We draw target on districts that we are going to target in a race. It is normal. This is a low life set of liberals one one that is exploiting his own wife’s shooting.  What a pair of vile human beings.
Vile, Vile , Vile

We draw target on districts that we are going to target in a race. It is normal. This is a low life set of liberals one one that is exploiting his own wife’s shooting.  What a pair of vile human beings.
Vile, Vile , Vile

We draw target on districts that we are going to target in a race. It is normal. This is a low life set of liberals one one that is exploiting his own wife’s shooting.  What a pair of vile human beings. Vile, Vile , Vile.. I had a democratic map twenty years ago with the same imagery. Vile, Vile, Vile

We draw target on districts that we are going to target in a race. It is normal. This is a low life set of liberals one one that is exploiting his own wife’s shooting.  What a pair of vile human beings.Vile, Vile , Vile

Clown, can you even read? The only one blaming anybody is you,…YOU!

We draw target on districts that we are going to target in a race. It is normal. This is a low life set of liberals one one that is exploiting his own wife’s shooting.  What a pair of vile human beings.Vile, Vile , Vile. I had this same type of democratic map twenty plus years ago. Vile , Vile Vile

You not only mean but you are dishonest and vile. Did you send Gabby a card. I did not. We draw target on districts that we are going to target in a race. It is normal. This is a low life set of liberals one one that is exploiting his own wife’s shooting.  What a pair of vile human beings.Vile, Vile , Vile. I had this same type of democratic map twenty plus years ago. Vile , Vile Vile  If she was a human being that is very hateful and evil remark. How can you call someone else mean. 

We draw target on districts that we are going to target in a race. It is normal. This is a low life set of liberals one one that is exploiting his own wife’s shooting.  What a pair of vile human beings.Vile, Vile , Vile. I had this same type of democratic map twenty plus years ago. Vile , Vile Vile. A man that will use his wife shooting is not a warm, individual they are impressive in their evil vile ways. What a vile thing to do. 

We draw target on districts that we are going to target in a race. It is normal. This is a low life set of liberals one one that is exploiting his own wife’s shooting.  What a pair of vile human beings.Vile, Vile , Vile. I had this same type of democratic map twenty plus years ago. Vile , Vile Vile

You’re comparing unrelated things.

Amazing the plastic surgery these people had to have, and how amazing it is that certain features do not match or are not in the exact same location between the 2 photos that are set up for comparison. For instance – look closely at the ears. Look closely at the skull. Example – Tony Rezko has a skull ridge, while his match has a non ridged, rounded skull cap. This site you gave is so full of crap it is covered with flies. Get help, and take Garofalo and your conspiracy theory buddies with you.

Mark Kelly is a pathetic piece of shit who continues to exploit his wife for his own gain. Sarah Palin did nothing wrong and Sarah Palin doesn’t owe you anything.

Why didn’t Piers Morgan, supposedly the astute interviewer that he is, ask Mark Kelly why he abandoned his wife’s bedside so he could go into space?

Do not pretend to be superior. The world knows that a liberal has a very low IQ and self esteem. This is documented and it is and accepted fact.” Too much circulation makes the price go down:  The more you are seen and heard from, the more common you appear.  If you are already established in a group, temporary withdrawal from it will make you more talked about, even more admired.  You must learn when to leave.  Create value through scarcity.” The sixteenth law of power.

In this blog you have circulated and shown your level of thought is lacking and your value as an opinion maker is valueless, you are a common liberal with hate and racism as the dominant trait. Perhaps you should find a high school chat room to play in with your false feeling of superiority. It time for you to leave and create value in your posts by not posting. 

Why do liberals have to insult other posters. I do not understand and it is below me to insult. I do however, find my self having to point out the truth. 

We draw target on districts that we are going to target in a race. It is normal. This is a low life set of liberals one one that is exploiting his own wife’s shooting.  What a pair of vile human beings.Vile, Vile , Vile. I had this same type of democratic map twenty plus years ago. Vile , Vile Vile.  you are truly a hate filled person to make this type of statement. 

I know who the scumbag is and it is not Palin. It is you, CNN and the scum bag husband. 

We draw target on districts that we are going to target in a race. It is normal. This is a low life set of liberals one one that is exploiting his own wife’s shooting.  What a pair of vile human beings.Vile, Vile , Vile. I had this same type of democratic map twenty plus years ago. Vile , Vile Vile

I’ve seen Piers Morgan use this relentles tactic many times in interviews. He reminds me of a Rat Terrier that has a rat in his teeth and shakes it mercilessly refusing to drop it.

It’s the ‘keep your enemies in the spotlight and make them bleed’ political head game.

Once again, Sarah is not responsible for anything.

* She is not responsible for a mass murder…

Does the fact that she set up a video of herself (against the wishes of her boss) whining about being the real victim on the same day as the memorial service not
mean anything?

* I did not agree with the timing of her TV statement or how she handled it. But with as much demagoging going on in her direction she was at some point going to have to address it. It was not her choice for Dupnik and others to drag her into a mass murder she had nothing to do with. She had no influence on the events in Tucson… none… zero… nada… zilch. And she never said she was the “real” victim. The victims were the people shot. She was being slandered by Dupnik and other Democrats for political purposes. The left saw a great opportunity to attack the Tea Party which was surging at the time and used the shooting to do just that. So she would have been forced by the attackers to address the attack at some point… a charge like that can not go unchallenged. But the timing was poor.

If she had kept off the TV, and not spoken of herself as
the victim, not Gabby, who was fighting for her life, I doubt the whole
thing would have taken off the way it did.

* It had already taken off. That is why she was addressing it. So you statement above makes no sense on its face.

But again, Sarah is blameless.

* For a shooting in Tucson… yes… 100%.

You people are sick.

* People on the left and in the Democratic party use a mass murder for political gain and you call others sick. What color is the shy in your world?

My only response to you is come back to me when you grow up.

My only response to you is come back to me when you grow up.

Being “humanitarian” is not something Sarah would do. Perhaps if Gabby was a Republican she might, otherwise forget it. Not at all surprising. Thank God her 15 minutes are up.

Did you notice Giffords lower lip trembling? What a typical democrat POS?

Remember this site is just a microcosm of American society, and becasue of it’s size tends to magnify the opinions of particular groups depending of what’s being discussed.  It’s best to keep this all in context.  It’s not necessarily an accurate or scientific representation of the real world–not that it can’t be a real eye-opener.

You know, I’d forgotten all that, and it’s a great deal to forget.  Thanks for the wake-up, Verreau.  Increasingly, as I look back at the 90′s I’m amazed by how outrageous it all was.  If we don’t remember it, then we are doomed to repeat it.  Once was enough.

Ahh shucks and here I thought mediaite was even handed and would be doing an in-depth story about Rezko and how many times his good friend will visit him in the slammer.  After all, Tony got him into the “tony” neighbourhood at a steal! 

(can you even imagine the headlines if Rezko and Obama were republicans???)

the silence is deafening and anyone who says the media isn’t biased is…..

Ha! I doubt Palin could ever be accused of causing a caustic environment.

so why are you not outraged at the violent political chatter from the left that is still filling the airwaves every day?  Ahhh your stupid selective outrage is well….it’s stupid.

Palin had zip to do with it and if she would have contacted the Giffords, it would have made for a field day from the media.  A freaking circus no less.

That’s all.  consideration and decency?  Seriously, you want to go there?  

p.s.  How long did it take Holder (who was directly responsible for the death of the Border Guard) to write a letter of apology (after he stated he had nothing to apologize for).

The hypocrisy of the left is enough to make one want to puke hourly.  Consideration and decency my sorry ass. 

Let me get this straight… Sarah Palin motivated the perp who shot Gabbie?  Specifically how did Sarah Palin motivate the shooter?  Come on, I’m waiting.  You’re comments are irresponsible and you’re also scape goating and lying.  Thats what the left does, no surprise here.

Gifford’s husband is a doofus.  As bright as a night light on a good day.  

I watch him and I can see those wheels turning in his bald head – He wants to get into politics – that’s why all this nonsense is coming down the pike.

What happened to Gabby was horrible – not as horrible is what happened to the people who died but horrible especially the death of Christina Green.  The crazed gunman was and is a crazed gunman, who is and was insane.  

For Morgan to slime Palin in order to garner media coverage is slimy but not surprising since that is Morgan’s stock in trade.  He’s a smear merchant.  

Sarah is a thoughtful person. Right wing lunatics and their comrades are very thoughtful, reflective folks.

In all fairness, first thing I did was look for something where Palin claimed she would call and I have’nt found anything.  I was looking because I could’nt recall it myself.  I just rewatched the “blood libel” speech and there is no mention of calling Gifford in it.

Why would Sarah Palin call that little bald Lucky Charms Leprecaun Kelly, his crass cashing in on his wifes tragedy, what a goldigger. They accuse Sarah of murder and want her to call the Giffords? Sarah has a lot of class and is a thoughtful person, but what gall to expect Sarah to call, Kelly is a sick astrosnot, and Piers Moron should be deported!

I did see it on youtube where she briefly said something like my prayers are with them and I will contact the family and give them my well wishes. Of course she said it on Fox… If I find the link I will send it to you. I should have saved it but I didn’t. Actually  it didn’t take too long for me to find it.. It’s just a couple of words you have to type into google search + Sarah Palin and boom it came right up.  Anyway. thnx for asking.,

Reading such a heartless post makes me speechless. Is it real you or you’re joking? 

To AnnLawler26.  Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about.  I didn’t mention the lady in question. You made all that up so I can’t respond to your own head.  The night is long, don’t stay up too late waiting.  

To just some blow hard… Obviously you have a problem in tracing your dictionary. President Reagan had Alzheimers and obviously the family had to dig in their wealth to get the best care possible: so as an example doesn’t count. Giffords was shot and if you read carefully Staci’s post you will realize she will be looked after very well at the expense of the taxpayer. As for the issue of your dictionary “Preventative” means to prevent something from happening which in this case is not applicable. An example?: the payment of a vaccine to avoid catching a flu that is preventative care  

Alive ‘n’ suckin.  What a god awful little hypocrite.  Trying to justify a bad attitude with a love of fetuses.  

 I stand corrected because I cannot find anything that Palin told the Giffords she would contact them. I could have swore I saw it but I guess I was mistaken. Shame on me.  Thnx for pointing that out.

Read the opening paragraph and knew this guy’s a dill.

A retired veteran, astronaut,and husband of a US congressman. What is your definition of “desperate”?

“…”Violent” rhetoric had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting of Gabbie Giffords…” 

Skippy, you are not being honest with yourself -or us.

You’re absolutley right. I stand corrected. I could have swore I saw it but I didn’t. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

‘heartless creep’ and a Fox-trained hater, I wager!

It’s easy to distinguish (from the talking points being parroted) who are the ‘Fox-trained’ people here!

Typo. Should read, “rush to take NO responsibility.”

And how are you fools making this into a story about democrats? shot in the head is no joke.

Who said I was outraged? It’s more of an observation and opinion.
Actually I think it would have cast her in a  more sympathetic and compassionate light had she reached out to them , not to apologize, but to offer sympathy and to assure them personally, as she did the nation publicly, that she didn’t approve of or advocate violence in any way. Kelly obviously knows that , but understandably he thinks the amount of vitriol being fired up in the political arena was not helping. I happen to agree. It’s one thing to disagree politically on policy, it’s quite another to continuously paint a sitting elected president as anti American and somehow foreign,bent on intentionally destroying the country. It doesn’t advance solutions to real problems by portraying our fellow Americans as the enemy.
Folks like Palin, Coulter, Beck, Schultz, Olberman, Matthews and far to many media outlets, feed it for profit.
Yes there is selective outrage, and it is stupid. It occurs on both sides and is enabled by donning the partisan goggles that obscure our vision and dull our ability to think clearly. It doesn’t matter if your goggles are red or blue. They both distort.

I’m not sure what’s wrong with your sorry ass , but I’ll offer the same advice my mother used to give me.

“STOP PICKING AT IT!”  

oh, and speaking of  stupid selective outrage. How about the outrage over the President not mentioning God in a 3 minute Thanksgiving address. Stupid right?

Thanks for being a stand-up guy about it. I didn’t remember that happening, but I would not have been shocked if it was the case either.

It’s easy to distinguish (from the talking points being parroted) who are the ‘MSNBC-trained’ people here!

*so easy….

I can understand that. I have a good friend who, when criticized in any way goes to denial and BS by default. A good guy in most respects , who has a hard time saying “I messed up, sorry”
Not that Palin owed anyone an apology for that tragic shooting. I see it more as a tragic coincidence concerning her map, but I agree with Kelly, that the fires of anger and outrage were being fanned for politics and money, and Palin was one of the people profiting.
From what I’ve read about Palin in he past few years my guess is she’s a little self absorbed. That’s not evil or horrible. She seized the opportunity of the national spotlight and made her fortune. Who wouldn’t?
She had no problem recognizing herself as a victim when her map was brought up, but couldn’t manage to reach out to Gabby. She didn’t have to, it wasn’t her fault, but it would have been nice , and maybe a step away from the vitriol in politics.

Now we have a board full of posters dumping on Kelly for expressing an opinion in a reasonable non hateful way. Holy crap.

You’re an idiot!  Shut the fvck up you dumb ass!

Moron

Mediaite has sunk to a new low with this pointless story. The real question that should have been asked is, DID MEDIAITE EVER TRY TO REACH OUT TO YOU OR GABBY? Mediaite is every bit as responsible as Palin and I’m shocked that they have not reached out to Gabby.
The self described liberal that shot Gobby did so because in part, that’s what liberals do. If we really wanted to avoid these tragedies in the future we would imprison all liberals. But instead we write moronic posts like this one. Only a vile libtard would use this tragedy to insult Palin….who isn’t even running for office. Grow up morons.

Excellent response.   You’re right that Kelly expressed a reasonable opinion and got lambasted (on this board) for it.   Chalk that up (mostly) to a bunch of frustrated C4P types who are still reeling from Sarah backing out – the frustration has to be vented somehow (Sarah running was probably a life force for some of them).

The shooting issue/Sarah’s response (her BL video) was made worse by Obama’s speech afterward.  Sarah defended herself – Obama pulled the nation together over the grief, and said we need to work together, which most Americans are desperate to do, instead of divisive fighting (Rove started this when he developed “the Base” – interestingly translates to “al Qaeda” in Arabic).  One could say she owed no one an apology, but she still rabble roused her brood to a frenzy with the “pallin’ around with terrorists” garbage, death panels, etc.  The woman could be a natural leader at a cross burning.  I think she did tone it down a bit early when one of her supporters yelled “kill him” (referring to Obama).

Some people are unfit for sane, sound executive decisions.  They have to removed from emotion as they deal with FACTS.   Bachmann, Palin, and O’Donnell stand out – though Perry is right there.  Alvin Greene was also not fit to lead (Democrat), as are many others.   They waste time.  I’d vote for Mitch Daniels in a heartbeat if he ran for president – and would probably vote for Huntsman, but neither would probably get the GOP nomination – as a party, they don’t seem to deal with facts (seems they forget there’s a general election – this current crop of “conservatives” should start their own country somewhere else).

Your hatred of free speech is duly noted. FYI, Metaphors are not hate speech. The real hate speech can be seen day in and day out coming from liberals about their conservative opponents. But that is fine in your little, warped, libtard world. Palin did nothing wrong and used a map that Bob Beckel had designed. Surprise! Silence on that from the libtards.
We understand you don’t like Palin. We get it. But trying to blame her for the act of a liberal mad man just reveals you to be an ignorant, dishonest fool. No offense.

Agreed. I can only imagine the will it takes to make crucial decisions that affect so many lives. I think there has to be a certain amount of emotional awareness, as well as detachment.

Add to that the balance between looking out for your own interests, along with the interests of others. It seems like the balance in DC is way off. I can appreciate rational intelligent conservatives who want to look at facts and find real world solutions like Daniels and Huntsman {and a few others} The same on the Democratic side. We need honest intelligent people who are willing to examine the facts and find some form of compromise that moves us forward. People who are willing to speak more honestly to the public instead of distorting and pandering and the awful practice of painting our political opponents as the enemy and un American. I think the brilliance of the design of our government is to provide that balance by giving more people a voice and stopping the few from having too much control. We need an intelligent honest liberal, moderate and conservative view to examine the facts and find that balance together. IMHO.

I thought President Obama would help usher that in. My conclusion at this point is that the corruption in DC is so wide and deep that no president will be able to effectively address it without the help of the public. We have to stop seeing each other as the enemy and realize our common enemy is greed and corruption in a variety of forms.

“And it hasn’t always been Republicans that have done that.[put target symbols on an election map]”

That’s true.

The Democratic Leadership Council did it in 2004.

The map was on their site for years, but they scrubbed it without a word after the GIffords assault.  

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee featured an interactive map with Republicans targeted with bullseyes.  It’s been scrubbed from the site.

Here’s a screen grab of both maps.

http://usactionnews.com/2011/01/democratic-leadership-council-had-target-map-in-2004/

So we’re now down to mere symbolism to vet out quality people?  If it would have been “considerate and decent” for Sarah Palin to personally reach out and contact Giffords/Kelly, who else should have done it?

I mean, let’s get real here, CosmosDan.  Shall we make a list of all the people who DIDN’T contact Giffords, and put them on some sort of black list?  Shall we make them typical left wing compassion pariahs?

This is just more bizarre left-wing symbolism.  It always goes from step to step.  First is accusing someone of not caring.  Then they don’t care enough.  Then they don’t care in the exact way we think they should care.  Then the left creates proscribed methods of caring (advocating spending taxpayers’ money on pet projects, or “condemning” something someone said, in exactly a certain way).

One of these days, the left will actually start dealing with SUBSTANCE, and drop this immature symbolism.  Let’s be really honest here:  Mark Kelly wasn’t complaining that Palin didn’t contact them.  Piers Morgan baited him with the question, and this silly James Cagnale tried to make it news.

Blueniners commentary is spot on; the left and the media (well, they are really one and the same) did accuse Palin of murder in this instance.  Piers Morgan demonstrated beyond a doubt that he is an asshole with his questioning, and Kelly demonstrated he is nothing but a hack to blame Sarah, period.

As I said, this is just another reason no one watches CNN anymore; they are not to be trusted.

If they bring a knife, we bring a gun”. Who was it that espoused that comment? The left is either braindead or just plain evil.

Because Palin has no respondsiblity for setting this nut-bag off.  If she does, then so does every other democrat who has also used crossairs on maps or have actually said they would help teapartiers go straight to hell (insert racist, socialist Maxine Waters).  Oh, by the way if Palin did say anything that remotely looked like an apology, she would have every progressive attorney in the country competing for the chance to sue her for everything she owned, and many on this site would pay to see that show. 

You are right, being shot is no joke and should not be put in terms of politics, but unfortunately it was the democrats who took a tragic and made it political.  Please go back in pull up the media coverage.  The media was hoping yet again it was a right wing nut-bag who shot and killed all these people.  You had Princess Pelosi and El Presidente castigating teapartiers and legal gun owners for causing this evil man to pull the trigger.  The endless attacks on Palin and non-progressives went to a fevered pitch, all in the name of politics.  The anti-gun crowd wanted to end all gun ownership by any means necessary.  The drum beat was constant and loud, until the media found out that oops, he was a lefty, and like usual you now hear crickets chirping over who this killer really is and believes.  Then we hear people saying don’t make this about democrats. 

And why are we placing so much attention on this one woman, answer, she is a political elite, how about the other families this bastard destroyed, hmmm? Did we forget the countless others who were injured or actually DIED?  Oh sorry, only politicians matter anymore, the rest of the scum are expendable.  I hope that Miss Giffords and all the others make a full recovery and that this murder innocents is put down like the dog he is.

Maybe you should pick up a book sometime and find a new line. This one is tired.

Why should she?
Giffords was in Palin’s “gun sites”. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, eh Sarah?

Clump all liberals together? Like liberals don’t do that to conservatives.

Probably.  The MSM certainly won’t report it.  And if they do, it will be in the context of some interview with a Bill Maher or Paul Krugman or some other twisted, slanted media figure.

To cassa

the dictionary definitions change legally in a court of law when dealing with insurance. I use the Alzihmer analogy because it is a sickness that effects the brain. Any injury or sickness that effects the brain is essentially impossible to give a prognosis or to tell when a person is better, if they get batter at all. So care is measured by mortality. Case in point, Terri Schivo had oxygen deprived front her brain. It was the insurance company that told her husband that they were not going to continue coverage due to the uncertainty that she would get better. So coverage is only legally only to make sure you stay alive. They will cover rehabilitation, but only to a point. The brain is still a mystery to modern science as there is no uniform symptoms.

I cannot believe the disgusting comments that have been made about Gabby Giffords & Mark Kelly on this thread. Both who are American citizens who have strived to do thier best for the country. Whether you agree or disagree with thier thoughts/actions, it does not give you the right to talk about them as though they were fllth not worthy of living. By doing so in your shameful comments, you have gone beyond acting like human beings.

Yep, how typical,  does it remind you of any one?  It should, its the very basic mantra/daily chore of all Liberals.  When you cant find a fault you invent one.  create issues by innuendo.  Its all Liberals know.  As for Palin, she put no cross hair on any one only a place on a map,  or cant you fathom that.  She is not the first as you say, many Liberals have done the same for years.  Its no offense if you have any common sense at all.  Its just the plan.   This and this and that districts are where we need to go and try to take the district back for our side,  left or right.   So they use a bulls eye   cross hair   who gives a rats.  Normal people understand and it aint no conspiracy to get someone shot.  So get over that BS.

Giffords was shot by an insane idiot who had been giving his School and Arizona trouble for a long time.  Arizona just kept letting him slide,  until he went the last mile and killed.  And you fools want to blame Palin,  Shame Shame Shame.   Grow up and try hard to get real.

Every time your stupid president opens him mouth in front of a mike, he contributes to the toxic environment.  He does that daily,   where is your vile comment on that.  where is you whinning and complaining about that?  You want to make a point good,  but you cant as long as you are visibly and obviously hypocritical about it. 

Where in the world have you been?   The left lives by violent rhetoric and always have.  You people are the most tunnel visioned fools I have ever seen.  You never see what you have done daily for as long as I can remember seeing a news show.  Its 90% of all Liberal talk.  And it there is nothing real, you make it up,  any thing just something to try and create hate for the other side.  Hypocrites all

And you point is?   You whine about war deaths,  but you condone OWS and what goes on there.  EVEN the fact that people are being raped and killed during what should be a peaceful demonstration.  PEACEFULL my A$$.  Pretend that is a right wing / tea party maybe protest and those things occured,  you would be screaming here for days trying to make some political hay.  But no, its a leftist something I dont know what to even call it, just a stinking protest because your neighbor has a bigger car or home or something.  Grow up, go to work earn some income and get what you think you need, just dont demand those that do work give it to you that dont.

Wow,  you are a long ways from the whole truth lady.  its easy to pick a story here or there to make your invalid point.   I happen to have many friends in Canada and for every stupid case of an American doing something very wrong, you can find one or two in Canada, so dont come here with all that WE ARE MORE CIVILIZED than you are crap.  It isnt so.  You in Canada have your own problems just as we here in America do.

Your preaching to the choir buddy,  its Liberals who have continuously blamed Palin and YOU KNOW THAT.  So  lets keep it between the lines here.  I do thank you for attempting to point out what happened in Tucson was in no way the fault of Palin and her depicting of what districts Republicans should be going after in the coming elections.   But many of your fellow libs have screamed this theme every day since this idiot and I might add, liberal, insane liberal decided to go shoot up the place.  I will agree he was no more politically motivated than a rattle snake is but many will try and make it so.  And how do they do that,   BY claiming he only did this because Palin created a go get em map where Liberals held a district she thought we should take for the right.  Just as libs do all the time. 

Hey, I told you I only got to take a brief look at the article. Your conspiracy theorist website is the place where the crap is made up.

Show me somewhere else that the article appeared and I will be glad to review it in detail. If you can’t do that, then you haven’t got much of an argument to support.

Did you send Gabby a Get Well card? Your involvement is the same as Palin’s so until you can fax me over what Get Well card you sent, zip it. :)

Just reading your posts to me I take it that you belittle and ridicule everyone who disagrees with you on any given subject.

Care to prove otherwise?

Was there ever a photograph of Giffords with crosshairs? Can you link to it?

Maybe when your wife is almost killed by an assassin’s bullet (due to her occupation) you could talk…troll. He has every right to be fukcing pissed off. If Palin didn’t feel a tad bit responsible (warranted or not) why did she take down the bullseye map? 

Using his brain-damaged wife to attack an innocent woman who has nothing to do with the pothead leftist who shot her.. Mark Kelly is an unethical  creature and beneath contempt. Democrat hypocrites who call for “civility” have sunk to a new sewer level  low.

Guess you missed the riot in Vancouver a few months ago.

Are you claiming someone else shot her?

I’ve never seen a photograph of Giffords with crosshairs. Have you? Perhaps Palin actually wanted to kill the state of Arizona, since the infamous magic map had crosshairs on states.

Maryroger – Why do you lie? Do you know the difference between a Rifle Scope’s Crosshairs and Map Points? Obviously not. Remember back in 2000 when a CBS Late Night Talk Show Host had a picture of George Bush in the crosshairs of a Scope with the line “Snipers Wanted” below it? Remember the Movie that came out “Assassination of a President” that used CGI to show President Bush being shot and killed by a sniper? Obama the great orator, “They bring a knife you bring a gun”, “Get in their faces”, the list goes on and on. Remember, the Democrats had a former Klan Member as their Voice of the Senate and they had a guy that was responsible for the drowning death of a young woman who was called the Lion of the Senate.

Where was your outrage then Maryroger? Were you in a Coma?

The nutjob that shot Giffords and Murdered many others was just another Left Wing Nut Job like Oswald, Manson and Surhan Surhan.

But, but it’s all Sarah Palin’s fault. You people are disgusting.
 

What are you talking about? Violent rhetoric HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SHOOTING OF GABBIE GIFFORDS. If you disagree with that statement, prove it. Looks like Skippy deals in facts while you are too busy listening to Special Ed Schultz.

A Nutjob HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE SHOOTING OF GABBIE GIFFORDS, just like a Nutjob shot John Lennon.

Besies, the only guy using Violent rhetoric is Obama. YOU are not being honest with yourself – or us, but I’m not surprised by that.

The local Democrat Sheriff had more responsibility outside of the Nutjob for the Giffords shooting. He and his Department knew the guy was stalking Giffords and didn’t lift a finger. In fact, the local Democrat Sheriff was one of the “Blame Sarah Palin” idiots after the shootings.

Democrats LIE, it’s what they do. Now we have Piers Morgan making Giffords a Martyr by insinuating that the EVIL Sarah Palin made it all happen. Too bad Gifford’s Husband doesn’t put the blame where it belongs, a Leftist Nutjob and the local Democrat Sheriff. A Fact to a Liberal is like Sunshine to a Vampire.

Pray for Giffords recovery and the innocents who were Murdered on that sad day. I know Sarah Palin did.

You are really scarey.

So when Obama said “if they bring a knife we’ll bring a gun”, was that Obama channeling Ghandi and Jesus Christ and Buddha all at once? All those articles I read about Democratst “targeting” Scot Walker for a recall, isn’t that stoking violence?

So tell  us what she stands for…not just your interpretation of what you think she stands for? 

You are incorrect, Insurance companies will cover Brain tumor removals, bullet wounds and so forth. 
Long term rehab is the biggest issue they may balk at paying.  My insurance plan will cover hospitalizations for that sort of injury and I’m no where near being a politician.

Had Sarah Palin used a push pin or placed a dot over the districts the Republicans hoped to win in the election, she still would have been held responsible for the horrible atrosities which occurred in Arizona.  After all, Republicans want dirty air and dirty water in 57 states—the president knows—he has visited all 57.  Republicans are so ruthless, we had to be hoping all Democrat candidates “targeted” would we assinated. Our entire country is falling off a cliff because of the standstill, divide, and lack of leadership in Washington.  Let’s stop political blame/banter and take it to the ballot box. 

You need help.

Talk about reading things and making up crap….

Sometimes disgusting actions like those of Mr. Kelly beget disgusting comments.

Man you are one delusional sick F’n Butch. You never really looked at the crap you put up or you would (or should) have been able to realize the bogus presentations and that people are more intelligent than you are (and that you give them credit for) and will see the obviously plain differences. When was the last time you had a psychotic break that is on your shrinks record?

The truth? You wouldn’t know it if it smacked you upside the head…. come here … let me give it a try. Truth and reality are not your suit. Give it up cuz no one believes your kooky loony website crap. Sorry for the wake up call. Truth hurts? go see your shrink.

Why would Sarah Palin contact Giffords?  She was not responsible for what happened.

Mark Kelly will not be satisfied until his wife has been bestowed with sainthood. 

He is fast becoming an obnoxious whine. 

Wrong.  Disliking what a person says, does not warrant the disgusting comments that have been made.  

I thought this puke of a person was gone but he’s back with his ignorant hate posts. The lying sack of sh*t can’t take a hint. I guess he needs his Media Matters pay check.

“TMP”

he has not done anything but answer a question.

It doesn’t bother me much that people don’t agree with me. I just voiced an opinion. I actually think it would have been not just a decent thing to do but in a practical sense, in her own best interest as well.
The link made between her map and the incident was a bogus one. She decided to come out and defend herself and talk about it, portraying herself as victim. Even though the link was a bogus one it was out there and in the public eye and consciousness. She, a voluntarily public figure, decided to address it as it affected her. That’s why I think it would have been the decent thing, and even the smart thing, to reach out to Gabby the real victim,even in the form of a letter of a brief phone call, in sympathy and calling to condemn violence, and asserting again that it was never her intention for political metaphor to be taken literally by anyone.
So it;s fine if people disagree with my personal assessment. I don’t think Palin is a bad person for not getting in touch. I also never thought she was a particularly good one. But that’s humanity.
But for Pete’s sake can people please stop turning this into some commentary on the failings of the left as a group. It’s useless nonsense.

The right wing nuts are out in full force today.

What question?

Yeah, go figure…

Aww shucks, I was just trying to spare some poor soul from having to needlessly wade through that speech–although some might not find it as tedious as I did.  Palin was in a damned if she did, damned if she did’nt spot.  I’m not a Palin fan, but, I think this might have unfairly effected her political ambitions.  I have great sympathy for Mark Kelly.  However, this last media blitz he went on reflects rather poorly on him.  Obviously, his words were chosen very carefully, yet, I feel a bit misled.  Everything must be taken with a grain of salt, these days.

you’ve posted the exact same thing all over this board.  That makes you a trolling spammer or a child in desperate need of attention

Loyal liberal. Put’s deranged liberal politics above his shotintheheadwife. Lovely…

That makes you a liberal defending outrageous liberal behavior. I thought astronauts had to be ‘smart’.

That makes you a liberal defending outrageous liberal behavior. I thought astronauts had to be ‘smart’.

The sheer amount of vitriol on this site is saddening and disturbing.

The one that watches for Putin from her porch!  Or how about the one that thinks North Korea is our ally?

The crosshairs got entangled with Palin’s pussy hairs and the map became one big hairball, casting a pall over the entire electoral process.

Palin and Bachmann are running neck and neck for biggest lyin’ ass bitch of the year.

No,I think you have that grand title all sewn up,Bum.

Yes,and the liberal sheriff down there in that district, let him skate on multible other counts. The school/kids were terrified of him.

This guy is a dummy.  Piers is a dummy.  They’re both dummies.  No sane person with any logical thinking skills has a problem with Palin’s map or any of the other hundreds of maps just like it.  No one thinks these are gun sights set to shoot people that are targeted, but we understand, as rational people the nuances of language.  If I tell you to go jump in a lake, unless you suffer some sort of mental retardation, you don’t actually go jump into a lake.  You have the common sense and reason to understand that, gosh, language can mean more than one thing. 

Of course politicians “target” certain states and regions, of course they have these people in their “crosshairs,” so to speak. Only a dummy with a political agenda, or perhaps a dummy trying to sell his new book makes such absurd claims. 

Seriously.  This guy is a retard.  Little crosshairs targeting districts on a political map is only “violent rhetoric” if you’re a moron and have no idea how to use the English language.  Somehow this dimwit was smart enough to make it into the shuttle program.  God help us all if these are the supposedly reasoned men and women we invite into the program. 

That’s a typical leftest complaint ,if you don’t believe lock-step “with me”,you’re wrong headed. No one else has a right to their individual opinions…unless it matches closely to mine.
How do you know that conservatives did’nt shed a tear for Gabby? Or a prayer because we’er cold hearted about her tragedy? Palin in no way created this tragic circumstance-a lot of Democractic stradigists use the cross hairs in their targeting of an area they think needs shoring up to get votes…were they inciting violence? NO. You guys’ thinking processes are flawed,and obviously biased to a narrow field…My way or the highway.

crass,classless,and caustic,and crude…and I might add clueless.

See?  This is the ignorance we’re dealing with in the world today.  No sane person thinks crosshairs on a map is violent rhetoric.  No more than telling someone to jump in a lake is violent rhetoric.  Only a lunatic sees crosshairs on a political map and thinks of guns. Maybe Giffords is a lunatic, I can’t say as I’m no expert in psychological diagnoses.  Let’s start acting like adults in this country.  I know it’s difficult, but let’s try it just once.

And let’s not be dumb- Palin took the map down (I read that she did no such thing) only because idiots like Giffords are foolish enough to play political games and try to paint her as semi-responsible for the shooting, when only an idiot would suggest such a thing.

If you don’t realize “in the crosshairs” is a figure of speech, you’re probably too stupid to even be posting here, let alone turning on a computer and being anywhere near an electrical outlet. 

And you can actually speak the word decency with a straight face? From the lefts posts and names there does’nt appear to be a thimble worth of decency whin your grasp,or understanding of the word.

Whatever color,it’s real dark there……for they can’t see the forest for the trees.

You have a piss poor understanding of how our gov’t. works…Congress legislates…not GW. Now when you end up with many manyyears of Dems. in the majority most of that time-40 odd years-you end up with a mess that they own ,not to say some Rhinos did’nt go along with their policies…but in a nut shell Dems own this mess.

It’s now long been proved that Sarah Palin and so-called violent political rhetoric had absolutely nothing to do with January’s tragic shootings in Tucson.

Sarah Palin expressed deep condolences – she was the first to do so after the tragic incident. And then she was dragged through the mud as an accomplice to murder (without any evidence) .
She had nothing to do with the shooting, she didn’t have any involvement in inciting it, or inciting any violence whatsoever. The shooter was not influenced in any way by Sarah Palin’s political opinions.This is truth, clear as day to any objective mind. The shooter is a paranoid schizophrenic who was described by a classmate as a “pot smoking leftist.”
There is nothing improper in Sarah Palin using the term “Blood Libel” to characterize what she reasonably believed were false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill.

By the way, what was actually on Sarah Palin’s  site, was a map with district markers (surveyor symbols were used). These surveyor symbols were used on the map to indicate the districts of Democrats .

This is a surveyors mark:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qQvUH8jVhKE/S7FK8lwc-rI/AAAAAAAABRY/N_5eSPMKqys/s1600/surveryorsymbol%5B1%5D.jpg

This is a crosshairs:
http://www.freeclipartnow.com/signs-symbols/targets/Crosshairs.jpg.html

 Map symbols are placed on maps. It’s a pretty simple concept, really.
The media turned surveyor symbols into crosshairs.

Democrats used election maps with bullseyes on them.

“Violent rhetoric” : Obama said in Philadelphia ; “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,”

Man, I hope you don’t vote,your syntacs are not firing correctly…simply put -your nuts.

Your profanity is a sign of a weakened argument and a weak mind. I repeat that I used the same type of bulls eye on a democratic map twenty years ago. This was not related to her occupation, the gentlemen had a mental problem and a grievance against her personally. These two men are low life liberals exploiting an incident for political gain and this is a vile, vile act. You words of profanity will not change the fact that this was a evil. To be so ignorant to believe that this had a thing to do with this shooting is evil in itself and to exploit it is worse than evil.

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Verreauxii wrote, in response to without_hate:
Maybe when your wife is almost killed by an assassin’s bullet (due to her occupation) you could talk…troll. He has every right to be fukcing pissed off. If Palin didn’t feel a tad bit responsible (warranted or not) why did she take down the bullseye map? Link to comment

Because there are false charges and plain stupidity being espoused on the board. This was a vile act to exploit this incident. I am neither, I am a concerned American that we have degenerated into acts of evil. These trolls on here espousing hate is beyond belief.

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Just some Blow Hard… wrote, in response to without_hate:
you’ve posted the exact same thing all over this bored.  That makes you a trolling spammer or a child in desperate need of attention Link to comment

The progressive “climate of hate:” An illustrated primer, 2000-2010

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

The left Daily Kos actually put a “bulls eye”  on Gabrielle Giffords .

Democrats use “bulls eye” targets extensively in their political graphics.

The progressive “climate of hate:” An illustrated primer, 2000-2010

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

The killing of the Amish school children,was carried out by an outsider I believe.

What was actually on Sarah’s site, was a map with district markers (surveyor symbols were used). These surveyor symbols were used on the map to indicate the districts of Democrats .

By the way, Democrats used election maps with bullseyes on them.

The progressive “climate of hate:” An illustrated primer, 2000-2010

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

Obama said in Philadelphia ; “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,”

Sarah Palin expressed deep condolences – she was the first to do so
after the tragic incident. And then she was dragged through the mud as
an accomplice to murder.

Sarah Palin expressed deep condolences – she was the first to do so after the tragic incident. And then she was dragged through the mud as an accomplice to murder (without any evidence.

Loughner obsession with Giffords predated the tea party and Sarah Palin’s emergence in national politics. One of his few close friends told Mother Jones that he became fixated on the congresswoman since 2007.

Loughner was Fixated on Giffords since 2007
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487036679045760…71191163461466.html

Based on the available evidence, Loughner sounds like someone with untreated mental illness, whose grasp of reality grew ever more tenuous with time. He fits the profile of someone whose horrific shooting spree didn’t have to be triggered by any provocative political rhetoric in the news.

But even with those facts out there,it didn’t stop the media to politicize this tragic event; the terrible shooting of 20 people in Tucson became the surreal backdrop for a modern witch-hunt, the perfect opportunity to frame and smear a pesky opponent.

And yes , Dem leadership used map with targets.

Democratic Strategist Beckel: Stop Politicizing Giffords Shooting
Beckel says it is “unfair” and “unhelpful” to go after Sarah Palin for her “crosshairs” map because many on the left have made similar images.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/01/11/democratic_strategist_beckel_stop_politicizing_giffords_shooting.html

It’s long been proved that Sarah Palin and so-called violent political
rhetoric had absolutely nothing to do with January’s tragic shootings in
Tucson.

By the way, do you know the difference between crosshairs and a surveyors mark ?
What was actually on Sarah Palin’s site, was a map with district markers (surveyor symbols were used). These surveyor symbols were used on the map to indicate the districts of Democrats .

This is a surveyors mark (on Palin’s map):
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qQvUH8jVhKE/S7FK8lwc-rI/AAAAAAAABRY/N_5eSPMKqys/s1600/surveryorsymbol%5B1%5D.jpg

This is a crosshairs:
http://www.freeclipartnow.com/signs-symbols/targets/Crosshairs.jpg.html

Crosshairs are placed on people. Map symbols are placed on maps. It’s a pretty simple concept, really.
The media turned surveyor symbols into crosshairs.

Democrats used election maps with bullseyes on them.

Democratic Strategist Beckel says it is “unfair” and “unhelpful” to go after Sarah Palin for
her “crosshairs” map because many on the left have made similar images.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/01/11/democratic_strategist_beckel_stop_politicizing_giffords_shooting.html

Obama said in Philadelphia ;“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” so its Sarah’s fault!!! Get a life.

The progressive “climate of hate:” An illustrated primer, 2000-2010

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

And yes, Also the Democrat Congressional Campaign Committee is using maps with marks

Democratic Strategist Beckel: Stop Politicizing Giffords Shooting

Beckel says it is “unfair” and “unhelpful” to go after Sarah Palin for
her “crosshairs” map because many on the left have made similar images.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/01/11/democratic_strategist_beckel_stop_politicizing_giffords_shooting.html

Sarah Palin expressed deep condolences (several times) – she was the first to do so after the tragic incident.
And then she was dragged through the mud as an accomplice to murder (without any evidence) .

Sarah Palin expressed deep condolences – she was the first to do so after the tragic incident. And then she was dragged through the mud as an accomplice to murder (without any evidence) .
She waited several days to respond after the NYTimes accused her of going into hiding and Chris Matthews accused her of hiding in a cave.

Facing this, Sarah Palin stood up and responded to her critics firmly, clearly and with an uncommon civility.

this is her speech:
http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/01/12/sarah-palin-americas-enduring-strength/

As it ever been confirmed Mr.Jared Launter ever saw these infamous cross hairs? The evidence show that Mr.Launtner  became obsessed with Cong. Giffords 2 years before when he confronted her with an irrational question she could not answer because andy rational sane person could not understand the question. Watch MSNBC anytime during the day all u get is insane hate filed commentary aimed at conservatives.

Reality Check: CNN Still Blaming Sarah Palin For Rep. Gifford Shooting?

http://www.fox19.com/story/16119335/reality-check-cnn-still-blaming-sarah-palin-for-rep-gifford-shooting

Reality Check: CNN Still Blaming Sarah Palin For Rep. Gifford Shooting?

http://www.fox19.com/story/16119335/reality-check-cnn-still-blaming-sarah-palin-for-rep-gifford-shooting

What was actually on Sarah’s site, was a map with district markers (surveyor symbols were used). These surveyor symbols were used on the map to indicate the districts of Democrats .

This is a surveyors mark (on Palin’s map):

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qQvUH8jVhKE/S7FK8lwc-rI/AAAAAAAABRY/N_5eSPMKqys/s1600/surveryorsymbol%5B1%5D.jpg

This is a crosshairs:
http://www.freeclipartnow.com/signs-symbols/targets/Crosshairs.jpg.html

Crosshairs are placed on people. Map symbols are placed on maps. It’s a pretty simple concept, really.
The media turned surveyor symbols into crosshairs.

Democrats used election maps with bullseyes on them.
Democratic Strategist Beckel says it is “unfair” and “unhelpful” to go after Sarah Palin for
her “crosshairs” map because many on the left have made similar images.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/01/11/democratic_strategist_beckel_stop_politicizing_giffords_shooting.html

And don’t forget this: The progressive “climate of hate:” An illustrated primer, 2000-2010
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

It’s long been proved that Sarah Palin and so-called violent political
rhetoric had absolutely nothing to do with January’s tragic shootings in
Tucson.

Sarah Palin  had nothing to do with the shooting, she didn’t have any involvement in inciting it, or inciting any violence whatsoever. The shooter was not influenced in any way by Sarah Palin’s political opinions.This is truth, clear as day to any objective mind. The shooter is a paranoid schizophrenic who was obsessed with Giffords since 2007.

Reality Check: CNN Still Blaming Sarah Palin For Rep. Gifford Shooting?
http://www.fox19.com/story/16119335/reality-check-cnn-still-blaming-sarah-palin-for-rep-gifford-shooting

She didn’t portray herself as victim; she was the victim.
The terrible shooting of 20 people in Tucson became the surreal backdrop for a modern witch-hunt, the perfect opportunity to frame ,vilify ,smear and destroy Sarah Palin.

Anyway, Sarah Palin expressed deep condolences – she was the first to do so after the tragic incident. And then she was dragged through the mud as an accomplice to murder (without any evidence) .
She waited several days to respond after the NYTimes accused her of going into hiding and Chris Matthews accused her of hiding in a cave.
Facing this, Sarah Palin stood up and responded to her critics firmly, clearly and with an uncommon civility.

In her speech Sarah Palin talked about America’s enduring strength.

Her speech:

http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/01/12/sarah-palin-americas-enduring-strength/

The progressive “climate of hate:” An illustrated primer, 2000-2010

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

Liberal website Daily Kos put ‘bullseye’ on ‘dead to me’ Giffords
http://www.examiner.com/post-partisan-in-national/liberal-website-daily-kos-put-bullseye-on-dead-to-me-giffords#ixzz1euPVX3TD

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

There is nothing improper  in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes were false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill.

Sarah Palin expressed deep condolences – she was the first to do so after the tragic incident. And then she was dragged through the mud as an accomplice to murder (without any evidence) .

Suspect Fixated on Giffords since 2007
Jared Lee Loughner appeared to have been long obsessed with U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703667904576071191163461466.html

By the way, the Liberal website Daily Kos put ‘bullseye’ on ‘dead to me’ Giffords
http://www.examiner.com/post-partisan-in-national/liberal-website-daily-kos-put-bullseye-on-dead-to-me-giffords#ixzz1euPVX3TD

And Democrats used election maps with bullseyes on them
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/01/11/democratic_strategist_beckel_stop_politicizing_giffords_shooting.html

It’s long been proved that Sarah Palin and so-called violent political rhetoric had absolutely nothing to do with January’s tragic shootings in Tucson

Sarah Palin had nothing to do with the shooting, she didn’t have any involvement in inciting it, or inciting any violence whatsoever. The shooter was not influenced in any way by Sarah Palin’s political opinions.This is truth, clear as day to any objective mind. The shooter is a paranoid schizophrenic who was obsessed with Giffords since 2007.

Loughner obsession with Giffords predated the tea party and Sarah Palin’s emergence in national politics. One of his few close friends told Mother Jones that he became fixated on the congresswoman since 2007.

Loughner was Fixated on Giffords since 2007
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527487036679045760…71191163461466.html

Based on the available evidence, Loughner sounds like someone with untreated mental illness, whose grasp of reality grew ever more tenuous with time.

But even with those facts out there,it didn’t stop the media to politicize this tragic event; the terrible shooting of 20 people in Tucson became the surreal backdrop for a modern witch-hunt, the perfect opportunity to frame and smear Sarah Palin ( and the Tea Party)

Democratic Strategist Beckel: Stop Politicizing Giffords Shooting
Beckel says it is “unfair” and “unhelpful” to go after Sarah Palin for her “crosshairs” map because many on the left have made similar images.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/01/11/democratic_strategist_beckel_stop_politicizing_giffords_shooting.html

Also the Liberal website Daily Kos put ‘bullseye’ on ‘dead to me’ Giffords.
http://www.examiner.com/post-partisan-in-national/liberal-website-daily-kos-put-bullseye-on-dead-to-me-giffords

right on the money Barbara.

Considering what happened in AZ I have a hard time seeing SP as a victim. I took a few minutes this morning to look back at some of the things said and I think your chosen words are an exaggeration and sadly typical of what happens in partisan politics on both sides. What the other side does, is always much worse and more evil and despicable than what your favored side does, which is somehow justified or at least a mild offense. It’s that kind of distortion on both sides that pollutes the national dialogue and keeps Americans divided.

After a horrible tragedy some people , mostly average people with computer access, and a few bloggers did lay blame on SP. A small % that over reacted in a partisan way. The rest, The media and some prominent politicians, was primarily a question of how much the heated political rhetoric , Palin’s map and “don’t retreat reload” as examples, might have contributed. If you can find any prominent figures in either politics or media that were directly blaming SP rather than posing the question I’d like to see them.
Palin did offer sympathy and condolences on her  FB page and perhaps in her mind that was enough. That’s a reasonable point of view. I happen to think that in light of the tragedy and the publicity about it, the fact that Gifford {one of the actual victims} had mentioned the heated rhetoric, the increased vitriol, and Palin’s map specifically, I think something more personal might be in order, but that’s just an opinion.

IMO Malkin is a partisan hack.

I think the competition to compare offenses and try to keep a tally is an amazing waste of time and dam childish.

Yes there are jackasses in both camps who think that kind of crap is funny. Just look at the hateful posts on this site. They don’t just come from one side do they. What both sides have to do is do a better job of policing their own and calling for a lot less of that kind of thing and maybe a little more reasoned fact based discourse. It’s dishonest to take the bad behavior of a few and then present it as if it’s typical of an entire movement, no matter which side does it. Talking heads who fan the fires of partisan anger for profit, like Malkin, or her counterparts on the left, do it for profit. They’re not helping.

She did show support shortly after but then relyeased the whoa is me, I’m the real victim in this blood libel video. It was inappropriate, made it all about her, and emboldened her critics. She isn’t responsible for the shooting, but a lot of the bad press she got was mostly her own doing.

First off, referring to such insane right wing shills like Michell Malkin, or the token “liberal” at Fox Noise, by no means represents a substantive argument.  Again, I refer to what Kelly is talking about.  He is NOT blaming Palin, but is clearly pointing out the violent rhetoric that has come MOSTLY from the right lately in this country within the context of the toxic political climate we live in.  The right OWN the AM airwaves, and the commentary that flows out of that machine clearly has nothing to do with salient thinking, but everything to do with demonization and hatred in order to polarize the American people.  It’s why they make the big bucks and why major conservative corporate donors are funding their efforts in and outside of their broadcasting bunkers.  Just listen to the rhetorical tones of others on the right within this thread; full of broad generalizations and insults.  That’s we like to call (in laymen’s terms) as “proof in the pudding.”

Of course, you conveniently forgot all the gun related rhetoric Palin and others are rolled out in their campaigns; “lock n’ load,” “crosshairs,” “bullet between the eyes,” and the list goes on and on.  You forgot about the violent racist overtones that appeared at some of the McCain/Palin rallies.  You also forgot a few Tea Party rallies where people openly walked around with hand guns and rifles on the ready.  We live in a violent culture, and violent rhetoric will have it’s unfortunate consequences.  The argument couldn’t be any clearer; that this type of language has no place in our political discourse, and that both sides need to come back to a more civil tone.  Sadly, though, that doesn’t seem to be the case, and as long as many on the right continue to refer to the most vacuous of the right wing sound machine in reinforcing their opinions, the less credibility will be wrought with every single posting.

And watch Fox News on any given day, and all you hear are the hateful demonizations aimed squarely at the left.

Speaking of hate speech, here’s just another example:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201111260001?frontpage

I kid you not, Ann Coulter said this to Brian Sussman (filling in for the crazed Mark Levin) in relation to the #OWS movement:

“It Just Took A Few Shootings At Kent State To Shut That Down.”

I could show tons of other examples.  How far do you really want to go down that Rabbit Hole?

Me using profanity is no different from you hurling invectives, douche. 

Sandy Joy said: “Let’s stop political blame/banter and take it to the ballot box”. 

Either you didn’t mean the political blame and banter that preceded this statement or you are totally insincere.

Teh hate is strong in this one…

What disgusting actions?

Where’s the original screen capture vs. the obvious photoshopped illustration you provided from a Fox affiliated local network?

Reality Check: do some research on how this whole political tit-for-tat works before making such a blind assumption.

It’s amazing watching how just about EVERY right winger is making the excuse for promoting such destructive rhetoric by making the classic argument that the other side does it, too.  Sadly, based on the number of posters on this website, that seems to be largely the case.

Sad, indeed…

How have they lied?

The intent of your post is evil and the use of a tragic event by these two men is a new low even for Pierce. Regardless of your  name calling, the fact that political operatives used an innocence piece of campaign literature and tied it to a  shooting of an American citizen is deplorable. The reports stated that the shooting was the result of a past grievance. The hate of the left for anyone that will not stamp and approve their immoral philosophies is a sad comment on the state of our nation. I repeat the use of this event for political purposes is a vile act.,
I find all acts of hate vile and evil, don’t you?

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Me using profanity is no different from you hurling invectives, douche. Link to comment

Show me one sentence Mark Kelly said that wasn’t the truth or is inaccurate.  The dummy and moron is you, and you appear to get all of your news from FAUX News.  Your true complaint is that Kelly stated Palin had not contacted them even once since the shooting.  Whether you blame her for the shooting or not, she not contacting them and giving them her best wishes on a speedy and complete recovery demonstrates once more how little class this ignorant pretend politician has.  Again, whether this mentally incompetent individual was influenced or not by the violent language, Palin is the one that brought the vitriol language into the political discourse by continually using such language as “don’t retreat, reload”.  

He’s riding his wife’s disabling injury to a fat paycheck and is angling to win her House seat with the publicity tour he is on.  That’s what’s disgusting about Mark Kelly.

He’s riding his wife’s disabling injury to a fat paycheck and is angling to win her House seat with the publicity tour he is on.  That’s what’s disgusting about Mark Kelly.

Media Matters??  Are you kidding?  

As for Sarah Palin, she had nothing to do with Ms. Giffords getting shot and therefore has no reason to phone anyone.

Do you think Sarah Palin was the first politician to use rhetoric like that?  How naive can you be.

Um, no, I’m not kidding.  Brian Sussman is right wing radio commentator and Ann Coulter is a right wing book author who’s every single book title has something to do with those evil liberals.

Media Matters was the conduit for the interview.  Are you saying that Media Matters somehow edited this interview ala your right wing “journalistic” hero, Bret Breitbart?

It’s a moronic case of projection. Palin didn’t have anything to do with the shooting and didn’t know the woman. Just because people say so is meaningless. That’s like when you’re in grade school and some kid starts saying you couldn’t beat him up and you’re scared to fight. Meanwhile, you don’t have a clue as to why you should act like you share the moron’s interest in such a thing. Why should Palin get drawn into something she had squat to do with cuz of moronic bullying without an ounce of context or logic to it?

So roughly 150 million of your fellow countrymen are “vile” then?

Come on man. It’s this political hate talk–this us v.s them talk–that is our problem that we need to fix.

She obviously took it down out of respect not to cover up a crime. Even Gifford’s husband admits the target thing has been done before without coming clean and revealing it was done by democrats. The point is that bulls-eyes are not a call to kill people. Any one who can live in America and not get that is an idiot. We don’t live our lives knee jerking to the worst possible permutation of a given idea. And the shooter was onto Gifford long before Palin came along so why hold onto this lie?

Yes we do know what motivated the shooter: insanity. What motivates you to write crazy nonsense? Logic? You sound as brainwashed as any Roswell UFO idiot out there.

You must call 911 when Tom hits Jerry with a giant mallet.

“Out of respect not to cover up a crime?”  WTF?  She’s NOT GUILTY of this crime.  That’s not the point.  What is wrong with you?  Seriously, though, putting a bullseye on a person, listing their name, and using invectives like “taking them out,” “lock and load,” reload,” blah, blah, blah, the vitriolic list goes on and on; somehow that doesn’t equate to violent rhetoric that just might spark “idiots” like the one you described who opened fire on that fateful day.  You seem to think that our free speech is being infringed by “criticism” of this kind of polarizing and toxic political rhetoric; ho

Why would Sarah Palin owe these people anything?
The Democrats generally, and the local sheriff particularly made a big thing about nonexistent right wing hate, until it was proven that the shooter was a loony lefty acting alone.
Did the sheriff or Mark Kelly ever apologize to Palin? No? I’m shocked.

This guy is coming across as a whining baby.  He is not doing his wife a service here.  He needs to stop crying like a little girl about how called and who didn’t. 

Pretty desperate. I want some of that Goldman Sachs money.

http://occupyxmas.net

Why should Palin contact this guy??

That is funny because some prominent jews came forward and said it was a blood libel against the Tea Party.

You simply skipped the point that Palin did put cross hairs over the Gifford candidacy.  Frankly, you have no idea if the nut case that did shoot Gabby was influenced by Palin’s Gestapo like behavior.  But then of course, even folks in our Republican Party seem to miss expecting patriotic behavior out of other Republicans.  A cross hair over anyone’s picture is incitement.  To try to dodge that fact is disingenuous! 

She didn’t put it on her picture and let’s see if you can dredge up the same fake outrage for dems “gestapo like behavior”:
http://www.verumserum.com/media/2010/03/DLC-Targeting-map.gif
The guy was after Gabby because he felt personally insulted that she didn’t take his incoherent rambling seriously. He was a head case. Everyone knows that except for shrill partisan hacks such as yourself.

I suppose there could be differences of opinion, but could you back that up with a link to something credible? 

Right, crosshair maps are evil and wrong.

http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/10/5808377-crosshair-maps-2010-vs-2004

Except when Democrats used them in 2004; when they were ok and perfectly acceptable behavior.

But now they’re evil and wrong because it’s Republicans who had them… and that is the only difference.

Let me guess, you’re going to nitpick on the type of crosshair?  Or simply ignore facts that you hope will go away? 

Maybe the lunatic was motivated by Obama calling for his people to “hit back harder” when opposed?  oops, sorry; Obama is a Democrat, and Democrats calling for violence directly can’t be a motivator for violence… only Republicans can instigate violence.

That’s a “fact” in your world; right?

Actually I am a life long Republican and since Palin did put the cross hairs on Gifford, it makes her a possible flash point for some deranged person to attack Gifford.  No matter if someone in my party or a Democrats did the same thing, it is a disgusting activity and prone to incite the deranged.  The guy, in addition to shooting Gifford also KILLED one of her assistants.  We may not be certain there was a direct connection, but Palin did this unspeakable thing.  If a Democrat did it also, that is disgusting but there is no equivalency opt out when someone is killed after that disgusting behavior.  In effect, Palin could be said to have actively participated in this killing.  So Palin does have that blood on her hands.  She is a big girl and her behavior was far over the top and she needs to pony up to the consequence of her behavior that may have precipitated this ugly activity that caused Gifford’s death. 

Well I am a Republican who has lived in Alaska and I did not know that Palin immediately expressed condolence.but that may denote that she did feel some responsibility after her cross hairs stunt.  There is no doubt that Palin should have felt partly responsible for this killing spree.  But it is far too little and far too late.  Frankly, I have never been satisfied with this Republican -  Democratic party relevance when someone ends up getting killed.