Has a conservative ever attended an Ivy league school? Do they keep it to themselves?

They keep their conservatism to themselves if they want to pass their classes.

George W. Bush got an MBA from Harvard.

By the way, he also flew F-102 fighter-interceptors. While we’re on the subject, how many liberals did that?

Do they? By now hundreds of thousands of conservatives across the nation (or world) have attended an Ivy League school right? Every single one of them keeps their politics quiet? There’s not a single student group for conservatives at any Ivy league school?

Harry Flashman said:
George W. Bush got an MBA from Harvard.

By the way, he also flew F-102 fighter-interceptors. While we’re on the subject, how many liberals did that?

Went to Harvard and flew an airplane? I give up. How many? They should get a cookie.

Paul:

Hey! You started this! Heh.

There are conservative groups, but they have to be provided with police protection and meet in secret.

writer said:
There are conservative groups, but they have to be provided with police protection and meet in secret.

Seriously?

I think we need to settle this with a test of strength and endurance. A hand wrestling contest between the Panty Waist and Matthews!

Mr. Bershad-
Quite frankly this type of nonsense that goes on every day is not amusing. I find it low-class and distracting from living life on a daily basis. How much energy are these types wasting instead of doing something positive with their pathetic lives. The sniping is unbearable. You can’t glance at the headlines without running across this nonsense. For anyone interested in real news and reporting you can check out ProPublica on the web.

Enough of this! GBR, drop that bomb. Get Bill Ayers to help you.

After hearing Glenn’s take today, I have to take back what I said earlier about Michele Bachmann. Now that I’ve heard that she actually called John Quincy Adams a “forbear” rather than a “founder” and now that I’ve heard the role that he actually did play in the abolitionist movement, I have to admit that Bachmann had her history right and that I got it wrong.

Either way, thank the heavens for everyone involved. We will never be bored as long as Glenn Beck, Chris Matthews, and Michele Bachmann remain in front of cameras.

Chris Matthews is pretty boring.

The Real Royal King said:
I think we need to settle this with a test of strength and endurance. A hand wrestling contest between the Panty Waist and Matthews!

Matthews is 65 and a total wimp (as far as I can tell). I think anybody could take him to the table. On a side note it seems to be a running pattern that MSNBC goes after women pretty hard. For a liberal, leaning forward, channel, they’re bordering on chauvinistic & misogynistic. You all know their history.

Look, Chris Matthews is a woman hater; it is time for you folks on the left to tell Matthews to STFU about his hatred for all things women. I don’t know how is wife puts up with him….hey, maybe she doesn’t. I heard that she left him, couldn’t take his rantings any longer. Is there any truth to that rumor??? That is why he keeps going off on women, because his wife left him and he is mad as hell.

MSNBC in meltdown, the spitter is leading the way.

TfT said:
it is time for you folks on the left to tell Matthews to STFU about his hatred for all things women.

Hey, Chris Matthews, STFU and quit hating on women.

Damn, sorry, didn’t work.

The King hates women, too. Try it on him.

All you women haters, STFU and stop hating women.

That’ll teach him.

remoriah said:
Mr. Bershad-Quite frankly this type of nonsense that goes on every day is not amusing. I find it low-class and distracting from living life on a daily basis. How much energy are these types wasting instead of doing something positive with their pathetic lives. The sniping is unbearable. You can’t glance at the headlines without running across this nonsense. For anyone interested in real news and reporting you can check out ProPublica on the web.

Or FOX!! Sorry, couldn’t help myself :-)

If Paul Krugman, Ed Schultz, and Chris Matthews all jumped from the same Manhattan skyscraper in despondence over the failure of their beloved Liberalism and ‘Keynesian Thought’ (Trademark), which one of them would hit the ground first?

perceptorii said:
After hearing Glenn’s take today, I have to take back what I said earlier about Michele Bachmann. Now that I’ve heard that she actually called John Quincy Adams a “forbear” rather than a “founder” and now that I’ve heard the role that he actually did play in the abolitionist movement, I have to admit that Bachmann had her history right and that I got it wrong.

.
I’m glad.

It was not for lack of trying to get that across here. Everyone went with the Tingles paraphrase. In the written transcript they were separate sentences and she mentioned John Q immediately following the word “forebearers”.

paulmdoro said:
All you women haters, STFU and stop hating women.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eVeCCfKv8is/R1yjxZAKNAI/AAAAAAAABx0/MA2J9xSi00w/s400/d87++women-haters+club.jpg

Chris and Qweefy, Prez and VP.

Penguin60 said:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eVeCCfKv8is/R1yjxZAKNAI/AAAAAAAABx0/MA2J9xSi00w/s400/d87++women-haters+club.jpg

Chris and Qweefy, Prez and VP.

Looks like a well-run group.

What a mean little worm. His real self certainly shows/comes out in his radio show. He asks “Where are the people to defend these women?” Let me just say, as a woman, they are an embarrassment to women. Educated,(even if it’s just high school graduates) thoughtful, responsible women that choose not to be victims. Ones that would not get on national television and say something the president said in his SOTU address was a WTF moment. Or sit with a straightface stating that Obamas trip cost 200,0000 million dollars a day. They are being thrown under the bus? No, they get closer and closer, everyday, to jumping off the cliff. All on their own.

He asks..”How could balloon boy not know this was the same day as the United Mine Workers were founded?” Well, little worm, how could you not know that the day of your rally was the day of MLK’s great speech at the very same spot?

Such a hypocrit!

It is true that the 3/5ths compromise was thought by some to one day make it possible to free slaves, but it did not work. Why did it not work? Using the inflated population numbers derrived from calling African Americans 3/5 of a citizen, the south clung to just enough electoral votes, and house seats to block legislation, or attempt at amending the Constitution, arguing that the 10th Amendment gave them the right to do so. They also mostly blocked getting woman the right to vote. Eventually, the southern states seceeded from the Union, a war was fought, the south lost, slavery was abolished, the 13th Amendment was passed, and the southern states were re-incorporated.

perceptorii says:
After hearing Glenn’s take today, I have to take back what I said earlier about Michele Bachmann. Now that I’ve heard that she actually called John Quincy Adams a “forbear” rather than a “founder” and now that I’ve heard the role that he actually did play in the abolitionist movement, I have to admit that Bachmann had her history right and that I got it wrong.

Thank you for your intellectual honesty. I wish a few of the liberals that evicerated Bachmann had the backbone to admit they were wrong as well. Unfortunately, they live by the rule, win at any costs. They just hope that once the lie gets into the open, it will be impossible to take back. That’s how they roll!

ps, Beck was on a roll today! I didn’t listen to what was actually posted on this thread, but if they didn’t post the call he got from the ignorant lib trying to tell them they were wrong, it was priceless. Sadly, he didn’t want to be educated and hung up.

I know they can’t do this but they are right across the street from
each other. Walk across, mutually waive liability, and go a round or
two. I do believe Beck would kick Tingles ass. Backgrounds, Hardknocks
College vs Pussy School. Hell I would bet Michelle Backmann could kick
Tingles ass!

omg you are very stupid

Glenn Beck: “Michele Bachmann could run for President and she could win.”

No delusion here folks. None at all.

What is more interesting is that Beck did not mention Matthews discussion yesterday about Glenn Beck and the letter signed by 400 rabbis asking Rupert Murdoch to sanction Beck.

Everyone knows what a rodeo clown is out there for, right? Distract, distract the bull. Protect the bull fighter and distract the bull. Beck has a bull charging at him full speed, and he’s on the radio today talking about Michele, the deceitful reactionary, Tea Bag Congresswoman, Bachmann.

Mr. Beck: those hoofs your hear…are coming for you, rodeo clown!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#41301293

Glenn Beck has got to go! I wish I had the confidence to assert that it’s just a matter of time before Beck embarrasses Murdoch, but Rupert seems to have no shame. Corruption is Fox “News.”

now is it about voilence?nobody at fox is at chriss mathews level,he is right most of the people are air heads.
he is a student of history,not a fake one like beck,who is always wrong.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
perceptorii says:After hearing Glenn’s take today, I have to take back what I said earlier about Michele Bachmann. Now that I’ve heard that she actually called John Quincy Adams a “forbear” rather than a “founder” and now that I’ve heard the role that he actually did play in the abolitionist movement, I have to admit that Bachmann had her history right and that I got it wrong. Thank you for your intellectual honesty. I wish a few of the liberals that evicerated Bachmann had the backbone to admit they were wrong as well. Unfortunately, they live by the rule, win at any costs. They just hope that once the lie gets into the open, it will be impossible to take back. That’s how they roll! ps, Beck was on a roll today! I didn’t listen to what was actually posted on this thread, but if they didn’t post the call he got from the ignorant lib trying to tell them they were wrong, it was priceless. Sadly, he didn’t want to be educated and hung up.

Then MSNBC commemtator’s will be soiling themselves tonight!
Should be fun to watch.

BOMBSHELL, CRAPPING HIS PANTS AS WE SPEAK :-))))

And typing furiously

GlennBeckReview said:
Glenn Beck: “Michele Bachmann could run for President and she could win.” No delusion here folks. None at all. What is more interesting is that Beck did not mention Matthews discussion yesterday about Glenn Beck and the letter signed by 400 rabbis asking Rupert Murdoch to sanction Beck. Everyone knows what a rodeo clown is out there for, right? Distract, distract the bull. Protect the bull fighter and distract the bull. Beck has a bull charging at him full speed, and he’s on the radio today talking about Michele, the deceitful reactionary, Tea Bag Congresswoman, Bachmann. Mr. Beck: those hoofs your hear…are coming for you, rodeo clown!http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#41301293 Glenn Beck has got to go! I wish I had the confidence to assert that it’s just a matter of time before Beck embarrasses Murdoch, but Rupert seems to have no shame. Corruption is Fox “News.”

yeah and chris matthews is a honest journalist. drop the bombshell or move on. left wing groups are not the be all, and the same for right wing groups

GlennBeckReview says:
January 28, 2011 at 4:05 pm GlennBeckReview(Quote)
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Glenn Beck: “Michele Bachmann could run for President and she could win.”

No delusion here folks. None at all.

What is more interesting is that Beck did not mention Matthews discussion yesterday about Glenn Beck and the letter signed by 400 rabbis asking Rupert Murdoch to sanction Beck.

Everyone knows what a rodeo clown is out there for, right? Distract, distract the bull. Protect the bull fighter and distract the bull. Beck has a bull charging at him full speed, and he’s on the radio today talking about Michele, the deceitful reactionary, Tea Bag Congresswoman, Bachmann.

Mr. Beck: those hoofs your hear…are coming for you, rodeo clown!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#41301293

Glenn Beck has got to go! I wish I had the confidence to assert that it’s just a matter of time before Beck embarrasses Murdoch, but Rupert seems to have no shame. Corruption is Fox “News.”

do you have any idea how true your comment is?
do you have someone inside news corp?

GlennBeckReview said:
Glenn Beck: “Michele Bachmann could run for President and she could win.” No delusion here folks. None at all. What is more interesting is that Beck did not mention Matthews discussion yesterday about Glenn Beck and the letter signed by 400 rabbis asking Rupert Murdoch to sanction Beck. Everyone knows what a rodeo clown is out there for, right? Distract, distract the bull. Protect the bull fighter and distract the bull. Beck has a bull charging at him full speed, and he’s on the radio today talking about Michele, the deceitful reactionary, Tea Bag Congresswoman, Bachmann. Mr. Beck: those hoofs your hear…are coming for you, rodeo clown!http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#41301293 Glenn Beck has got to go! I wish I had the confidence to assert that it’s just a matter of time before Beck embarrasses Murdoch, but Rupert seems to have no shame. Corruption is Fox “News.”

Its hard to swallow but Beck is part of the solution. And that Bachman statement proves it. Beck is like the Pied Piper leading the rats into the river. And that is what that clever FOX is doing too. I’m not saying they know it, but that will be the effect.

tatboy said:
Matthews is 65 and a total wimp (as far as I can tell). I think anybody could take him to the table. On a side note it seems to be a running pattern that MSNBC goes after women pretty hard. For a liberal, leaning forward, channel, they’re bordering on chauvinistic & misogynistic. You all know their history.

Even for you, that was pathetic.

perceptorii said:
After hearing Glenn’s take today, I have to take back what I said earlier about Michele Bachmann. Now that I’ve heard that she actually called John Quincy Adams a “forbear” rather than a “founder” and now that I’ve heard the role that he actually did play in the abolitionist movement, I have to admit that Bachmann had her history right and that I got it wrong.

Have you even listened to the actual speech Bachmann made and what she said?
By the way, a “forbear” is synonymous to a “forefather” and we refer to the forefathers of this country as the founders. So, it doesn’t change a darn thing contextually.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forbear?show=2&t=1296248887
John Quincy Adams was NOT a founder or forefather (his father was) and did not live to see the end of slavery even though he was a staunch abolitionist. Bachmann is a liar or ignorant of history or both.

GBR = the reason Glenn Beck has to spend a million dollars a year on person security.

GBR says:

What is more interesting is that Beck did not mention Matthews discussion yesterday about Glenn Beck and the letter signed by 400 rabbis asking Rupert Murdoch to sanction Beck.

He did talk about it yesterday and then FOX put out a statement saying they didn’t take it seriously since it was a Soros operation that put it out. I know you were hoping Rupert would can him, but another EPIC FAIL for you Beck haters!!

hi beck,you picked the wrong person,chriss is one of those people that knows what he is talking about,you are just a stupid clown who has taped into a market of ignorance.

Beck is an uneducated, dry drunk, cocaine burnout with a history of mental illness, and while he fits right in with the fox sewer, it is no surprise he is intimidated by someone with an education.

Dave Noland says:

This is beyond pathetic. 3/5s of a human is not trying to abolish slavery. It is one of the most dehumanizing conclusions in American history

You have NO idea what you are talking about. It was a compromise because one side wanted them to count as a whole. If that had been done, those who were pro-slavery would’ve gotten the votes of their slaves and never voted to end slavery. By counting them as only 3/5, the southerners didn’t get as many votes. How about studying a little history before going off on an embarrassing rant and making yourself look even stupider than you did yesterday (which btw, I didn’t think was possible).

Dave Noland says:

I want to see you and Beck make this racist argument to an actual black man. I guarantee you wouldn’t do it.

He had this discussion with black man on the phone, moron!

Stratdude said:
Beck is an uneducated, dry drunk, cocaine burnout with a history of mental illness, and while he fits right in with the fox sewer, it is no surprise he is intimidated by someone with an education.

Beck went off on some bi-polar manic rant. He is in serious need of a mood stabalizer. I have lost all respect for Dr Ablow who sits by and watches this mans mood swings cycle faster than a washing machine. Maybe he wants to be the next Dr. Phil riding on Becks coat tail?

I’m actually embarrased for you Noland.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Beck was on a roll today!

He certainly was. I read on here and see you frequently describe libs (as you call them) as angry hateful people. If this clip posted on top of this thread isn’t an angry hatefilled rant, I don’t know what it is.

Hopefully one of your liberal pals will step in soon and let you know how stupid you are being right now. You are totally embarrassing yourself with your lack of history.

Anyone want to save Noland from himself?

This was absolutely perfect radio by Glenn this morning. And perfect timing too as Friday’s are dictation days and I was alone in the office.

My only gripe was that Glenn didn’t call out The Thrill for the real reason he rails on Ms. Bachmann. Michelle absolutely made a fool of Chrissy on Election Night and now it’s personal.

Chris is a gasbag.

Kat says:

He certainly was. I read on here and see you frequently describe libs (as you call them) as angry hateful people. If this clip posted on top of this thread isn’t an angry hatefilled rant, I don’t know what it is.

Yeah because he got sick of the attacks from liberals.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Hopefully one of your liberal pals will step in soon and let you know how stupid you are being right now. You are totally embarrassing yourself with your lack of history. Anyone want to save Noland from himself?

nope

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
How about studying a little history before going off on an embarrassing rant and making yourself look even stupider

Maybe it is you in need of more study.

*stupider – not a word

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Yeah because he got sick of the attacks from liberals

Ahhhhh, nice excuse for him allowing his real self out.

Dave Noland said:
Everyone on here agrees with me. YOu’re the lone wolf bitch. I could school you in any debate. Period

wrong, everyone doesn’t

Dave Noland said:
Oh I forgot about the 3rd member of the stalker brigade. YOu obviously don’t have a life.

as it appears you dont either

no, you are think of some else on here but i will look real quick if you insist

Dave Noland said:
Shut up dork

Excuse me?

cjd ohio 1 said:
no, you are think of some else on here but i will look real quick if you insist

are you the guy with the beard or the little boy next to him?

RRKING telling it . It ‘ s time for these uppity women to shut their yaps . What is THIS WOMAN doing in Congress ? That ‘ s men ‘ s work . I say take away their votes and we ‘ ll have no more trouble ! The RRKING has proclaimed it so !

Dave I’m seriously starting to wonder if you are a conservative posing as a stupid liberal to make them look bad. PLEASE tell me you are!

Dave Noland said:
I apologized earlier. It wasn’t meant for you. Sorry

I didn’t see your apology but I was just checking…lol

no, i am much better looking than either of those guys

Dave Noland said:
Is that what your ugly ass mom tells you at night when she tucks you in?

ouch……lol….you are so clever did the bearded guy teach you that

Oregon Conservative said:
This was absolutely perfect radio by Glenn this morning. And perfect timing too as Friday’s are dictation days and I was alone in the office. My only gripe was that Glenn didn’t call out The Thrill for the real reason he rails on Ms. Bachmann. Michelle absolutely made a fool of Chrissy on Election Night and now it’s personal. Chris is a gasbag.

FIRST: Jon, this is a good story. Well written & with a good non-misleading headline. Way to go!!

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Please take your whiney voice & go away. I’ve listened to you for years, more off than on for the last several. Except for Jay Leno, you have the whiniest voice on television. Even Rachel sounds better.
You have allowed yourself to become a stooge (tool) of the others.

The Lantern of Truth said:
RRKING telling it . It ‘ s time for these uppity women to shut their yaps . What is THIS WOMAN doing in Congress ? That ‘ s men ‘ s work . I say take away their votes and we ‘ ll have no more trouble ! The RRKING has proclaimed it so !

Dave Noland said:
Hell Yes!

RRKING reversing . Hmm . Idiot agrees . I must be wrong . I take what I said back .

Dave Noland said:
Beck will be gone after 2012 when Obama wins his 2nd term. The anger is already leaving. The Teabaggers are diminishing and Obamas poll numbers are soaring. CNN/Opinnion Research has his approval at 55%

and you point, did i say who i support or dont……….but i will give you a hint, i dont listen to beck very much, and i dont support bachmann because of her stance on veteran affairs…….so have a nice day and spout your msnbc talking points to some else, because it is clear you dont think for yourself

Noland says:

Do you have a girlfriend or a family?

I’m not a lesbian and I do have a family.

Dave Noland said:
I’ve been a liberal since high school dip shit. Turn off Fox News and grow a brain.

well then that means you know nothing of veteran affairs, …….ahhh dipshit………lol

perceptorii said:
Now that I’ve heard that she actually called John Quincy Adams a “forbear” rather than a “founder” and now that I’ve heard the role that he actually did play in the abolitionist movement, I have to admit that Bachmann had her history right and that I got it wrong.

Wrong. She didn’t just use “forbear”, she used “founders who wrote these documents”…

“But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States,”

This is a 100% wrong statement but I think it’s cute when you allow Beck to do your thinking for you.

BFD said:
Wrong. She didn’t just use “forbear”, she used “founders who wrote these documents”… “But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States,” This is a 100% wrong statement but I think it’s cute when you allow Beck to do your thinking for you.

listen again

Jebus, that clip is absolutely hilarious. Glenn Beck at his craziest, angriest, unhinged best.

Thank God he’s one of yours.

I woulds have preferred that somebody as distinguished as Beck simply IGNORE that misogynist, foaming-at-the-mouth, tingle up his leg, lunatic-left nut-job. The idiocy of Mr. Tingle speaks for itself.

GlennBeckReview said:
Glenn Beck: “Michele Bachmann could run for President and she could win.” No delusion here folks. None at all. What is more interesting is that Beck did not mention Matthews discussion yesterday about Glenn Beck and the letter signed by 400 rabbis asking Rupert Murdoch to sanction Beck. Everyone knows what a rodeo clown is out there for, right? Distract, distract the bull. Protect the bull fighter and distract the bull. Beck has a bull charging at him full speed, and he’s on the radio today talking about Michele, the deceitful reactionary, Tea Bag Congresswoman, Bachmann. Mr. Beck: those hoofs your hear…are coming for you, rodeo clown!http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#41301293 Glenn Beck has got to go! I wish I had the confidence to assert that it’s just a matter of time before Beck embarrasses Murdoch, but Rupert seems to have no shame. Corruption is Fox “News.”

And there ya go, Right there!!!!

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Noland says:

Do you have a girlfriend or a family?

I’m not a lesbian and I do have a family.

what happened to that crush you had on elizabeth hasselback?

Chili says:

what happened to that crush you had on elizabeth hasselback?

Well I do have a couple of girl crushers. The biggest one is on Megyn Kelly. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

ps. Noland, my 12 year old son is laughing because he’s smarter than you.

Stratdude said:
Beck is an uneducated, dry drunk, cocaine burnout with a history of mental illness, and while he fits right in with the fox sewer, it is no surprise he is intimidated by someone with an education.

And I would assume that you are saying that Matthews is the one with the “education”? Sitting at the feet of Jimmy Carter, “Tipsy” O’Neal, and any of the Kennedy’s doesn’t make a good education, but a typical beltway cocktail party.

it’s almost embarrassing to hear people who really should know better try to make excuses for the idiotic bachman. it’s just like when christine o’donnell didn’t know what the 1st amendment said and everybody was on hear saying ‘that’s not what she meant’. c’mon man.

“You, sir, are a balloon head that was taught by a balloon head. And all you did, because you’re a balloon head, was sit in your stupid, balloon head, Ivy League classroom and be indoctrinated by a balloon head and never ever used your balloon head to use an intelligent question of the big balloon head in the tweed jacket.”

Wow, Glenn seems to have it in for these know-nothing Ivy leaguers. The problem is, Matthews did not go to an Ivy league school–he went to College of the Holy Cross.

Beck on the other hand, actually did attend the Ivy league–or at least he did for one post graduate class at Yale before he quit. Not to worry–his pal Bil O’Reilly managed to get a MPA at Harvard.

Glenn, before you try to stir up anti-elitist fears again, a word of advice: do your homework. Oh, and a prescription for Ritalin would probably be a good idea too.

So is anyone going to explain to me which founding fathers were still alive, working tirelessly, when slavery became no more.

Two names. That’s all I ask. Two.

I’d just like to note that when the pot calls the kettle black, the pot’s point is technically correct. It’s just obvious that the pot is also, pretty black.

BFD said:
Wrong. She didn’t just use “forbear”, she used “founders who wrote these documents”…

She used “founding Fathers” in one sentence, one complete thought.

She used “forebearers”, immediately before using John Q, in a separate sentence, another complete thought.

Did I just claim that John Q was a Founding Father or that he is one of my “forebearers”?

Another great show by Glenn Beck . His defense of Rep . Bachmann was perfect . He is an excellent gentleman .

Grammie said:
She used “founding Fathers” in one sentence, one complete thought.

She used “forebearers”, immediately before using John Q, in a separate sentence, another complete thought.

Did I just claim that John Q was a Founding Father or that he is one of my “forebearers”?

““But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States,” ”

Please explain which founders were alive when slavery was no more.

Two names please.

Thank you.

TeaPartyPatriot said:
I woulds have preferred that somebody as distinguished as Beck simply IGNORE that misogynist, foaming-at-the-mouth, tingle up his leg, lunatic-left nut-job. The idiocy of Mr. Tingle speaks for itself.

of course you are going to make fun of mathews because he has a physical reaction, he gets a thrill when he hears a great speaker exalt how great america is for allowing a story like his.
it’s a shame that you guys don’t have the same pride in your country.
do you have a flag on your front porch where you wipe your feet?

ChiliPeppersFan said:
of course you are going to make fun of mathews because he has a physical reaction, he gets a thrill when he hears a great speaker exalt how great america is for allowing a story like his.it’s a shame that you guys don’t have the same pride in your country.do you have a flag on your front porch where you wipe your feet?

no, a tattoo of a flag on my right arm , right above us army

GlennBeckReview said:
Glenn Beck has got to go! I wish I had the confidence to assert that it’s just a matter of time before Beck embarrasses Murdoch, but Rupert seems to have no shame. Corruption is Fox “News.”

You are the only one that has to go. Where is that “BOMBSHELL”, eh? It was very pleasant around here while you were gone. NOW go away forever. Everyone here knows that you are a liar.

So did Beck really hint that all the universities have it wrong and Bachman’s version is right?

So is David Barton teaching his revisionist history at Beck University now?

Grammie said:
“forebearers”?

wait, I thought there were only 3 bears!!

more revisionist history!! I am soooo mad.

CosmosDan said:
wait, I thought there were only 3 bears!! more revisionist history!! I am soooo mad.

now that was funny

Dave Noland said:
Beck will be gone after 2012 when Obama wins his 2nd term. The anger is already leaving. The Teabaggers are diminishing and Obamas poll numbers are soaring. CNN/Opinnion Research has his approval at 55%

Good Lord Dave!
Who in the hell is that Butt Ugly fat creep
standing next to you? Or did you photo shop just
to inject a litle humor to this thread?
Funny stuff!

BFD said:
““But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States,” ”

Please explain which founders were alive when slavery was no more.

Two names please.

Thank you.

none

you got bachmann, palin, and maybe sharon angle? the republicans are like a basketball team that is getting it’s ass kicked by 40 or more points…they’re emptying there bench letting the kids that are terrible get some court time.

you still stand by what you said

BFD said:
Wrong. She didn’t just use “forbear”, she used “founders who wrote these documents”… “But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States,” This is a 100% wrong statement but I think it’s cute when you allow Beck to do your thinking for you.

forebearer was not used at all?

cjd ohio 1 said:
forebearer was not used at all?

In case you haven’t figured it out…I stopped replying to your lame-ass posts a long time ago.

The more you know….

BFD said:
Please explain which founders were alive when slavery was no more.

.
None, of course.

However, I’m willing to cut her some slack on that. Just as I’ve never commented, until now, on BHO claiming travel to 57 states, or misplacing the Great Lakes or lauding the work and sacrifice of Corpse Men.

It is historically true that our Founders, including some very important slave owners, deliberately crafted the Constitution in a way that laid the foundation for eventually ending slavery. BTW, of the 21 or 22 original Founders only seven NEVER owned or used slave labor.

That means that half the attack on Bachmann was false and the other half nit picky.

BFD said:
In case you haven’t figured it out…I stopped replying to your lame-ass posts a long time ago. The more you know….

well , nice cop out chicken shit…….thanks for proving you are dishonest………thank you sir

Grammie said:
That means that half the attack on Bachmann was false and the other half nit picky.

*sigh*

When your side is wrong it’s always nit picky.
When my side is wrong it’s always justified.
Nice deal when you can get it.

A big difference is that when my side is wrong I’m not afraid to just admit it (without excuses) and move on.
I guess I don’t have as much of my ego invested in these talking heads as you people do.

““Bachmann (R-MN) also noted how slavery was a ’scourge’ on American history, but added that ‘we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States.’

‘And,’ she continued, ‘I think it is high time that we recognize the contribution of our forbearers who worked tirelessly — men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country.’”

From Mediaite’s article.

remoriah said:
Quite frankly this type of nonsense that goes on every day is not amusing. I find it low-class and distracting from living life on a daily basis. How much energy are these types wasting instead of doing something positive with their pathetic lives. The sniping is unbearable. You can’t glance at the headlines without running across this nonsense. For anyone interested in real news and reporting you can check out ProPublica on the web.

Perhaps your hack staff that camps out here at night like , A Kim Bo aka Kim Barker , should find another loacation then to paste their meth induced screed .

and did anyone watch chris matthews today lol…………….’you know they have the panama canal” really chris i thought it was the suez canal

BFD said:
*sigh* When your side is wrong it’s always nit picky.When my side is wrong it’s always justified.Nice deal when you can get it. A big difference is that when my side is wrong I’m not afraid to just admit it (without excuses) and move on.I guess I don’t have as much of my ego invested in these talking heads as you people do.

lol, and you still haven’t ………..you should be in politics

cjd ohio 1 said:
well , nice cop out chicken shit…….thanks for proving you are dishonest………thank you sir

Your welcome. I just didn’t want you to continue wasting your time asking me questions like I give a shit.

Have a nice life. :)

BFD said:
Your welcome. I just didn’t want you to continue wasting your time asking me questions like I give a shit. Have a nice life. :)

i didnt ask you first, but atleast you know you lie……../so my life will be fine

BFD said:
A big difference is that when my side is wrong I’m not afraid to just admit it (without excuses) and move on.

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You so obviously take such great pride in being so honest you have an opportunity here to admit that Cooper and Tingles incorrectly reported that she said John Q was a founder and to comment on exactly what does BHO’s slips say about him.

Bachman misspoke = stupid

BHO misspoke = ?????

Grammie said:
Bachman misspoke = stupid

quoted for posterity lolol

cjd ohio 1 said:
and did anyone watch chris matthews today lol…………….’you know they have the panama canal” really chris i thought it was the suez canal

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He didn’t. Or did he? LOL

Grammie said:
.He didn’t. Or did he? LOL

he did

BFD said:
quoted for posterity lolol

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No legitimate answer to my question, just a quick snarky comeback.

Now, tell me that story again about how you own up like a man to your side’s faux pas.

I never get tired of hearing a good fairy tale

Matthews Blows!

Sissified girlieboy Chrissy ‘Tingles & Thrills’ Matthews is prostituting herself in going after Beck’s and FOX News High Viewership and Top Ratings. Trouble is Chrissy is just too damn wacky & goofy to cut into the ratings numbers of anyone at FOX News.Watching Chrissy’s daily emotional meltdown to the point he is yelling at the guests on the show to looking like he was going to cry on the silly and juvenile PMSnbc SOTU speech coverage Tuesday night. Funny how PMSnbc was clobbered in the ratings by everyone, including both FOX News & CNN. Chrissy and the other dunderheads on PMSnbc have become a very sad and pathetic attempt (???) at journalism. They are nothing more than trash television.

Grammie said:
No legitimate answer to my question, just a quick snarky comeback.

*sigh*

Show me any quote by Obama or Matthews and I will happily tell you if I think it was wrong or right.

That’s the best I can do. :)

Judging from various responses here, Bachmann and Palin are leading lights of the GOP, constantly showing off their grasp of American history, economics, and foreign policy. Judging solely on that which they have “speechified” about around the country, both of them need to take a breath, engage their brains and then begin to speak. Palin form of speech is to produce a torrent of often rambling sound bites interspersed with teenage slang interspersed with words she improvises, or just misuses. Bachmann seems to think that punctuating every sentence with hand gestures that mimic flight deck hand signals will make her disjointed verbal display any more comprehensible. Unfortunately it just makes her spoken words seem just that more bizarre.

Short version: These two are leading the GOP around by its short leg. And the GOP is liking it.

There is a big difference between misspeaking which “everyone” does including the President and twisting the facts to suit one’s purpose. BFD is correct wjen he says Dems will admit they are wrong apologize and move on. Republicans not so much.

I find it childish to argue about peoples misspeaks when it is true that everyone is guilty of that at some time or the other. . I suppose this website is frequented by more children then most.

BFD said:
That’s the best I can do. :)

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If that is the bar you set for yourself who am I to ask for more than you can deliver.

Grammie said:
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If that is the bar you set for yourself who am I to ask for more than you can deliver.

Now who is giving the quick snarky comebacks? lol

WildMan said:
going after Beck’s and FOX News High Viewership and Top Ratings.</blockquote

Fox viewers keep harping on their high ratings and viewership. Again, one outlet for conservatives, many outlet for liberals. Don't act so math challenged. If the math IS too challenging, hit me back and I can explain it with some simple pictures, Glenn's chalkboard, a few shot glasses and water.

Just curious, what awards has Fox News won for their journalism? When you say "Peabody Award" do you immediately think of Fox News? Oh sure, its all a liberal plot, no doubt. Must be a bitch living in a world where liberals control all the movies, music, and good TV. Oh wait, I think Fox (not News) might have won a Peabody….for Glee.

I can't seem to find where Fox News is recognized for the depth of their journalistic reporting. Maybe that's just the way Fox News viewers like it….

You know Wild Man, if you don't take the trailer hitch off your house, someone might just decide to drive off with it while you are down at the Busted Knuckle getting wild….

Grammie, you know what’s funny? Obama just did an interview where he confused Iraq and Afghanistan several times and I didn’t see Mediaites piece on that. I guess it’s only if Palin and Bachmann make gaffs that they report them. And they wonder by people accuse them of bias.

Grammie said:
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None, of course.

However, I’m willing to cut her some slack on that. Just as I’ve never commented, until now, on BHO claiming travel to 57 states, or misplacing the Great Lakes or lauding the work and sacrifice of Corpse Men.

It is historically true that our Founders, including some very important slave owners, deliberately crafted the Constitution in a way that laid the foundation for eventually ending slavery. BTW, of the 21 or 22 original Founders only seven NEVER owned or used slave labor.

That means that half the attack on Bachmann was false and the other half nit picky.

I’m not sure how you are figuring this.
There is a difference between a foolish slip of the tongue and distorting history in a prepared speech. This is especially true since distorting history is an ongoing issue with Bachman fans like Beck and Barton.

she said the founding fathers worked tirelessly to abolish slavery. I think that in itself is a distortion. I was under the impression the minority wanted to abolish slavery but the majority did not.
I haven’t studied in detail but I haven’t seen anybody present facts to support Bachman’s premise. Later she said Skin color didn’t matter. Um, Of course it did, that’s just a ridiculous distortion.

Obama made the point that she poorly attempted in his speech about racism. We are trying to build a “more perfect Union” We’re not a perfect union yet, but we’ve made great progress since we began. You don’t need to distort our history to make that point.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Grammie, you know what’s funny? Obama just did an interview where he confused Iraq and Afghanistan several times and I didn’t see Mediaites piece on that. I guess it’s only if Palin and Bachmann make gaffs that they report them. And they wonder by people accuse them of bias.

A distortion of history in a planned speech is not a gaff.

CosmosDan said:
A distortion of history in a planned speech is not a gaff.

Hey, at least they’re admitting Bachmann made a “gaff” now.

That’s progress!!

BFD said:
Hey, at least they’re admitting Bachmann made a “gaff” now.

That’s progress!!

Well, yeah, I thought the talking point was that Matthews doesn’t know his history and Bachman is right.

And you know WHY the founders were so wonderful to work tirelessly to abolish slavery? Do ya? huh?

It’s cause they were Christians and we are a Christian nation, founded on Christian principles.

IOW, Christianity has dibbs on American because they called it 200+ years ago.

MSNBC host Ed Schultz announced Thursday on his radio show that his “Psycho Talk” segment had been discontinued by MSNBC executives.

“I work for somebody,” said Schultz. “I don’t call all the shots.”
…
“There’s probably people in positions that are a helluva lot smarter than I am and have decided that that’s what the way it’s going to be,” Schultz said in an uncharacteristically servile response to the decision.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/28/ed-schultz-ordered-by-msnbc-to-discontinue-psycho-talk/

First KO, now Big Ed (and next to go) then Chris Tingles, then Rachel – pretty soon there will be no one to complain about Glenn Beck.

SarahP says:

That, of course, is completely false. It’s people like you that get confused on your way home from working at home.

Um, no it’s not brainstem. Do you ever check anything before you speak? No need to answer, I think we know you don’t.

Hey Dan, why did the media jump all over Palin when she mistook N and S Korea then? Those weren’t prepared remarks. At least be honest and say there is a double standard by the liberal media in reporting gaffs.

Proving you wrong is becoming a full-time job, brainstem:

Obama mixes up Iraq, Afghanistan on YouTube

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/01/27/obama.youth.outreach/index.html?hpt=T2

i might be wrong but i heard or read (i’m not sure where and i can’t find it anywhere) there was a delegate from new york i believe who made a proposal to use a sliding scale instead of the 3/5 compromise.
if anybody knows about this or can suggest a site where i could learn more about this, i would greatly appreciate it.

BatBoy said:
MSNBC host Ed Schultz announced Thursday on his radio show that his “Psycho Talk” segment had been discontinued by MSNBC executives.

We already have a thread about that.

Are you shrooming?

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Padded Cell) says:
“GBR = the reason Glenn Beck has to spend a million dollars a year on person security.”

If making baseless, idiotic claims is your idea of tormenting liberals, well; I’d say that you’re learning well from your hero, the liar, hypocrite and yellow propagandist, Glenn Beck. Oh yeah, he rationalized the 3/5 solution too. Tsk, tsk tsk; that’s what happens when you/Beck idealize the framers. They were human too, and they made errors and an amazingly stable and flexible legal platform for a free country.

You are so, oh, oh, oh unoriginal!

BTW, next time someone steals your comment name, complain to Mediaite. They will delete your idiot impersonator. This antic or tactic is despicable no matter if done by an idiot on the right or an idiot on the left.

A – My son is 12 and doesn’t wear diapers anymore
B – I have an education
C- I’ve NEVER been on welfare
D – you’re a brainstem and I just proved you to be a liar AGAIN.

GBR, Mediaite has taken care of my stalker.

Mike Gallagher (Beck’s even lamer replacement in NY) said the exact same thing during the 30 seconds I listened to him.

Bids you should listen for a bit longer and educate yourself.

Brainstem, the fact that you claim to have children actually scares me. I’m guessing you get alot of visits from DCFS.

BFD said:
Are you shrooming?

LOL! There has to be song potential in there. Maybe a parody of “In my Room”

There’s a world where I can go
far from reality
in my shroom
in my shroom

Is the Fox News cable channel the new comedy channel?

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Hey Dan, why did the media jump all over Palin when she mistook N and S Korea then? Those weren’t prepared remarks. At least be honest and say there is a double standard by the liberal media in reporting gaffs.

That may be. I hardly look at that kind of stuff because making a story out of a simple slip of the tongue is stupid no matter who does it.

Let’s not defend that kind of stupidity with, BUT THEY DO IT TOO. I’ll gladly condemn any media outlet that does it, liberal or conservative. I invite you to do the same.

LOL. Beck does provide a great deal of entertainment value, especially considering the long day of serious news. He is comic relief personified.

and again; Liberal formerly Tormentor;

a distortion of history as part of a planned speech is not a gaff,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_compromise

Like everything else there seems to be a split on who benefited more (ie the Northern or Southern States) by historians. Or why is was done. One being total congressional representation and the other an issue of taxation. The Northern abolitionist founding fathers original wanted slaves to count as 0 to reduce the number of congressional seats the South would have. And the founder from the South wanted slave to count as one for the reverse reason, to get more congressional seats. South also wanted to avoid property taxes on slaves.

But most do agree rightly or wrongly the Union of all thirteen colonies would not have occurred if not for the 3/5th compromise.

But we all know that as humans with flaws there were founding fathers that were all over the spectrum on the subject of slavery from hypocritical(people who felt slavery was wrong but still owned them but treated them well) to abolitionist, to outright slave owners who treated them like slaves.

Lets all be glad the evil institution is not longer tolerated. And I’m glad I wasn’t a live then to see it in practice.

Some people like to claim that the Civil War was fought to secure State rights and not over Slavery. I believe this to be wrong. Because the States right they were mostly fighting over was to keep slavery. If Slavery had not existed in my opinion the war would not have been fought. Although it is true many solders from the South did not like slavery they fought because they felt more (as did many solders of both side) allegiance to their State than they did the Union. If you have read the book ” April 1965, The Month that Saved the Union” you will learn that before that time people identified themselves as Virginian or North Carolinian for example rather than Americans. That all chanced not long after the War.

“Beck began by claiming that Bachmann was actually right because the founders created the three-fifths compromise was created to get the ball rolling on ending slavery.”

- and clearly, in listening to Matthews screed, he had NO CLUE of this!

This is the type of IGNORANT INVECTIVE, which is the staple of MSNBC – and – their daily viewers!

NORBIT Jr. said:
“Beck began by claiming that Bachmann was actually right because the founders created the three-fifths compromise was created to get the ball rolling on ending slavery.”

That’s nice, dear. Except Bachmann didn’t say the founders “got the ball rolling”. lolol

NORBIT Jr. said:
This is the type of IGNORANT INVECTIVE, which is the staple of MSNBC – and – their daily viewers!

I think Matthews is a loud mouth jackass and says so many stupendously stupid comments I can’t understand why anybody watches , but that doesn’t make Bachman less wrong.

She was wrong and Matthews was a dipshit in the way he called her out. Meanwhile the political operative Tea Party rep just kind laughed about it all because he was thinking “Here come da money”

I’m also not convinced that the 3/5 compromise was about ending slavery which is one of the defenses being floated.

paulmdoro said:
All you women haters, STFU and stop hating women.

Even the ones who deserve it?

{which is all of them}

;-}

CosmosDan said:
I was under the impression the minority wanted to abolish slavery but the majority did not.

Not only did I C&P from a Encyclopedia Brittanica article but I also gave a link to it. I also looked in on some other sources.

Perhaps you might want to do a little deeper research on the whole subject. It points out the thinking and deliberate wording of some of the Constitution that would allow for the slaves to be freed and have all the rights that any citizen has.

Thomas Jefferson, among other strong Southern slave owners were complicit in it. Only 7 of our Founders had never owned slaves. So, it had to be done with the concurrence of slave owners.

I put the links in the comments at the Bachmann thread re either Cooper or Mathews if you want to look into it.

CosmosDan said:
I’m also not convinced that the 3/5 compromise was about ending slavery which is one of the defenses being floated.

Research it. First and foremost the 3/5 compromise was the only way the US was going to exist. But they also took care with the wording and placement of that particular compromise.

Look it up.

Wow, sorry I’m late to the party but I can just imagine this clip is just a taste of the hatefulness that’s ‘bottled’ up inside this man.

Good grief…

GlennBeckReview said:
No delusion here folks. None at all.

Actually, I think you are VERY delusional…Bombshell.

Dave Noland said:
Everyone on here agrees with me. YOu’re the lone wolf bitch. I could school you in any debate. Period

Apparently not dipwad. This comment alone shows 11:1 in DISagreement.

TrollJuice said:
Is the Fox News cable channel the new comedy channel?

Little troller, when you become old enough to enter the 1st grade you will be allowed to understand what real comedy is. Your mommy and daddy will let you watch PMSnbc after school so you can see real clowns like Chrissy ‘Tingles & Thrills’ Matthews and Edith ‘Fat & Angry’ Schultzie.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
A – My son is 12 and doesn’t wear diapers anymore
B – I have an education
C- I’ve NEVER been on welfare
D – you’re a brainstem and I just proved you to be a liar AGAIN.

A liar calling someone else a liar?

You can not own slaves and be against the institution of slavery. Sorry, that is revisionist bullshit.

Grammie said:
Not only did I C&P from a Encyclopedia Brittanica article but I also gave a link to it. I also looked in on some other sources.

Perhaps you might want to do a little deeper research on the whole subject. It points out the thinking and deliberate wording of some of the Constitution that would allow for the slaves to be freed and have all the rights that any citizen has.

Thomas Jefferson, among other strong Southern slave owners were complicit in it. Only 7 of our Founders had never owned slaves. So, it had to be done with the concurrence of slave owners.

I put the links in the comments at the Bachmann thread re either Cooper or Mathews if you want to look into it.

I’ll check them out. I read the Wikki page on it but nothing there indicated it was to help abolish slavery.

If the slave owners were complicit, why the compromise that extended slavery until a war became necessary.
How is that working tirelessly to see slavery was abolished?

I think Mathews “Balloon-Head” could have easily been said another way, but as I read the comments in this thread, I think many who are defending Bachmann, Beck, Palin, etc are missing the point.

These individuals tirelessly refer to the founders and their ideals day after day after day. They inform all of us of the need for our country to return to these principles and that if we do not our country will fall.

So when they misspeak about or revise the of the founding fathers and their principles, it is a big deal and they should be held to a higher standard because it is the central premise of the daily argument as to how we should change this country.

Gaffe’s by President Obama and Sarah Palin, etc. will always happen, but when issues like this arise with your central ideals and principles, it is not just a simple mistake. It is intentional or represents a general lack of knowledge, either of which are unacceptable and should be brought into the spotlight to for public discussion.

JayP said:
So when they misspeak about or revise the of the founding fathers and their principles, it is a big deal and they should be held to a higher standard because it is the central premise of the daily argument as to how we should change this country.

You’d have a point if Bachmann misspoke. She didn’t.

CosmosDan said:
If the slave owners were complicit, why the compromise that extended slavery until a war became necessary.

Why the compromise? Without it there would be no Constitution and no US, period. Prohibiting slavery was a deal breaker, non negotiable.

“”The Slavery Compromises

Years before the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787, Thomas Jefferson, a slaveowner himself, admitted the horrible nature of slavery: In his 1782 “Notes on Virginia” he made a prophetic statement in regard to U.S. slavery: “Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.”

Recall that in the “Great Compromise,” it was determined that representation in the House of Representatives would be based on the population of each state. After the convention approved the Great Compromise, Madison wrote: “It seems now to be pretty well understood that the real difference of interests lies not between the large and small but between the northern and southern states. The institution of slavery and its consequences form the line of discrimination.” This division over slavery led to the “3/5 Compromise.”

http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras2777/amgov/slavery2.html

Check out the rest of it.

.It is sometimes difficult for us to empathize with people whose era is so far removed. What we take for granted in our political lives was an earth shattering idea 250 years ago. Slavery was far more common (BTW it still exists today in some Islamic countries) and the idea that rights are intrinsic in men was unheard of.

These people were only a few generations removed from a handful of people who literally carved a civilization out of a wilderness. Without slave labor there may not have a country beyond the northeast.

Check out this link. It really is a good one.

JayP said:
So when they misspeak about or revise the of the founding fathers and their principles

But she didn’t. She was more historically accurate overall than either Cooper or Mathews.

Pablo said:
You’d have a point if Bachmann misspoke. She didn’t.

I think its has been established that she misspoke about the founders working tirelessly to end slavery. The forbearer/founder comment regarding John Quincy Adams may be up for debate, but he did not see the end to slavery as Ms. Bachmann led you to believe after listening to her speak.

Grammie said:
But she didn’t. She was more historically accurate overall than either Cooper or Mathews.

Answer this simple question. How can you be against the institution of slavery and OWN slaves?

You are right, Bachmann didn’t mis-speak, she LIED.

Either way for me, these people present themselves as the highest authority on the Founding Fathers and how we should all return to their principles as the proper way to operate today’s government. If their statements are so accurate and without error, why are they challenged by journalists and media? While I agree some of it is definitely partisan, the media can always find something to complain about or bring to light, so this is not their only source of material…

Not sure if I already mentioned in this thread but Forbear = Forefather. Grab your dictionary. John Quincy Adams was not a “forbear” neither did he live to see the end of slavery which was after the establishment of the 13th Amendment. People were not treated equally during the founding of this country. White men? Yes. Not every one else.

Gasket said:
Answer this simple question. How can you be against the institution of slavery and OWN slaves?

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Our Founders were definitely brilliant en but they were also very human with all the flaws that come along with it. They did it out of self interest. Some freed their slaves in their wills. Some were frightened by the unknown.

Look into this for my answer.

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Grammie said:
CosmosDan said:
If the slave owners were complicit, why the compromise that extended slavery until a war became necessary.

Why the compromise? Without it there would be no Constitution and no US, period. Prohibiting slavery was a deal breaker, non negotiable.

“”The Slavery Compromises

Years before the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787, Thomas Jefferson, a slaveowner himself, admitted the horrible nature of slavery: In his 1782 “Notes on Virginia” he made a prophetic statement in regard to U.S. slavery: “Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.”

Recall that in the “Great Compromise,” it was determined that representation in the House of Representatives would be based on the population of each state. After the convention approved the Great Compromise, Madison wrote: “It seems now to be pretty well understood that the real difference of interests lies not between the large and small but between the northern and southern states. The institution of slavery and its consequences form the line of discrimination.” This division over slavery led to the “3/5 Compromise.”

http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras2777/amgov/slavery2.html

Check out the rest of it.

JayP said:
I think its has been established that she misspoke about the founders working tirelessly to end slavery. The forbearer/founder comment regarding John Quincy Adams may be up for debate, but he did not see the end to slavery as Ms. Bachmann led you to believe after listening to her speak.

Bachmann didn’t lead me to believe anything. Politicians don’t have that effect on me, unlike your hopeychangey self. She was right, you are wrong. Deal.

When I say “Deal” what I really mean is “Learn History.”

Gasket said:
Not sure if I already mentioned in this thread but Forbear = Forefather. Grab your dictionary. John Quincy Adams was not a “forbear”

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Related to FOREBEARER
Synonyms: father, forebear (also forbear), ancestor, forefather, grandfather, primogenitor, progenitor
Antonyms: descendant (also descendent)

http://mw4.m-w.com/dictionary/forebearer

.fore·bear also for·bear (fôrˈbârˌ, fōrˈ-)
noun
A person from whom one is descended; an ancestor. See Synonyms at ancestor.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/forebear

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So sorry but “forebear” “forebearer” is the Set and Founding Fathers is the Subset. Not all of our forebearers are Founding Fathers.

Gasket said:
Not sure if I already mentioned in this thread but Forbear = Forefather.

Which does not equal Founder. You know that, right?

Grammie said:

So sorry but “forebear” “forebearer” is the Set and Founding Fathers is the Subset. Not all of our forebearers are Founding Fathers.

Yes. Abraham Lincoln is a forebearer, but not a founder. .

Grammie said:
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Our Founders were definitely brilliant en but they were also very human with all the flaws that come along with it. They did it out of self interest. Some freed their slaves in their wills. Some were frightened by the unknown.

Look into this for my answer.

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I have already read that. The answer I was looking for was some of them were hypocrites or white supremacists or both. There’s no “brilliance” in subjugating other people. You either believe all men and women are born free with inalienable rights or you don’t. There’s no gray area and most of those founders let us know by some of their actions. While Thomas Jefferson was basically a genius and in my opinion the smartest President we have ever had as far as being a philosopher and an original thinker, I can not put him on my list of favorite Presidents for this fatal flaw.

Bach,mann lied.

Pablo said:
When I say “Deal” what I really mean is “Learn History.”

Not sure what history you want me to learn, but feel free to elaborate so that I may be enlightened oh wise one…

Gasket said:
You either believe all men and women are born free with inalienable rights or you don’t.There’s no gray area and most of those founders let us know by some of their actions.

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Please forgive me!

I did not realize that I had finally met that being that I thought was a mere myth. If only our Founders had had your perfect record of perfection they would have brought forth a nation that needed no compromises and was perfectly just.

My bad.

Grammie said:
Research it. First and foremost the 3/5 compromise was the only way the US was going to exist. But they also took care with the wording and placement of that particular compromise.

Look it up.

I found your article. Interesting. I don’t agree with your conclusions IMO even your own article doesn’t. The final paragraph

When the last remaining Founders died in the 1830s, they left behind an ambiguous legacy with regard to slavery. They had succeeded in gradually abolishing slavery in the Northern states and Northwestern territories but permitted its rapid expansion in the South and Southwest. Although they eventually enacted a federal ban on the importation of foreign slaves in 1808, the enslaved population continued to expand through natural reproduction, while the growing internal domestic slave trade led to an increase in the tragic breakup of enslaved families.

An ambiguous legacy hardly equates with them working tirelessly to to abolish slavery does it? And certainly her comment about skin color not mattering was absurd. She was wrong. People ought to just admit it.

Fellow-citizens! there is no matter in respect to which, the people of the North have allowed themselves to be so ruinously imposed upon, as that of the pro-slavery character of the Constitution. In that instrument I hold there is neither warrant, license, nor sanction of the hateful thing; but, interpreted as it ought to be interpreted, the Constitution is a GLORIOUS LIBERTY DOCUMENT. Read its preamble, consider its purposes. Is slavery among them? Is it at the gateway? or is it in the temple? It is neither. While I do not intend to argue this question on the present occasion, let me ask, if it be not somewhat singular that, if the Constitution were intended to be, by its framers and adopters, a slave-holding instrument, why neither slavery, slaveholding, nor slave can anywhere be found in it. What would be thought of an instrument, drawn up, legally drawn up, for the purpose of entitling the city of Rochester to a track of land, in which no mention of land was made? Now, there are certain rules of interpretation, for the proper understanding of all legal instruments. These rules are well established. They are plain, common-sense rules, such as you and I, and all of us, can understand and apply, without having passed years in the study of law. I scout the idea that the question of the constitutionality or unconstitutionality of slavery is not a question for the people. I hold that every American citizen has a fight to form an opinion of the constitution, and to propagate that opinion, and to use all honorable means to make his opinion the prevailing one. Without this fight, the liberty of an American citizen would be as insecure as that of a Frenchman.

That would be Frederick Douglass. Which of you would like to call him an ignoramus?

Then there was Tingles, claiming that the 3/5 compromise was at the heart of the Constitution. True, it was in there, but did you miss LIBERTY, you f*cking ignorant idiot? The 3/5 compromise was the heart of the document? Bah.

CosmosDan said:
An ambiguous legacy hardly equates with them working tirelessly to to abolish slavery does it?

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You’re right. But it is historically accurate that the Founders did work to not only form the union but to do so in a way that allowed the practice to be ended. Considering that only 7 of them had not owned slaves at the time they are admirable as both individuals and as a group.

John Q did work tirelessly. Some of the founders continued to work towards it. But neither people nor countries are perfect and some are downright bad.

They could have just gone with the flow and not addressed it at all. I admire them, one and all and I think that Bachmann stayed within the big picture well enough to not have been subjected to near rabid attacks on her.

While googling for this I noticed there is a lot out there claiming that our country was fatally flawed b/c they took the course they did. Where Bachmann gives them the benefit of every doubt they see a group producing a degrading document. Not my cup of tea.

CosmosDan said:
And certainly her comment about skin color not mattering was absurd

I missed that. I’ll look into it tomorrow.

Goodnight.

I have already read that. The answer I was looking for was some of them were hypocrites or white supremacists or both.

Really?

Let me tell you something. Do you know that you have been deceived and cheated? You have been told that this government was intended from the beginning for white men, and for white men exclusively; that the men who formed the Union and framed the Constitution designed the permanent exclusion of the colored people from the benefits of those institutions. Davis, Taney and Yancey, traitors at the south, have propagated this statement, while their copperhead echoes at the north have repeated the same. There never was a bolder or more wicked perversion of the truth of history.

Once again, noted ignoramus Frederick Douglass. If only we’d had the brilliant Gasket instead of that 3 times escaped slave! How wondrous a nation we’d have today!

There never was a bolder or more wicked perversion of the truth of history.

Many of you morons have bought it, hook, line and sinker. You’re fools, despite considering yourselves learned.

Grammie said:
I did not realize that I had finally met that being that I thought was a mere myth. If only our Founders had had your perfect record of perfection they would have brought forth a nation that needed no compromises and was perfectly just.

Can you just imagine the paradise we’d live in if only we’d had CosmosDan at the founding instead of that stupid Ben Franklin? I shudder to think of the Utopia that might have been.

CosmosDan said:
And certainly her comment about skin color not mattering was absurd.

Do you know that the first true slave in America was John Casor? And do you know that he was owned by a black man, Anthony Johnson?

Her comment is completely absurd! As long as you don’t know what you’re talking about. Comfy, ain’t it?

Grammie said:
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Please forgive me!

I did not realize that I had finally met that being that I thought was a mere myth. If only our Founders had had your perfect record of perfection they would have brought forth a nation that needed no compromises and was perfectly just.

My bad.

You are forgiven. It’s not ME putting them on an idealistic pedestal. Your ilk is. I have always viewed them as flawed, not minigods! I suggest you re-listen and parse Bachmann’s ad hoc presentation. Some of the shit you people are defending here is laughable.

Pablo said:
Really?

Once again, noted ignoramus Frederick Douglass. If only we’d had the brilliant Gasket instead of that 3 times escaped slave! How wondrous a nation we’d have today!

Again, words matter LESS to me. I judge them by their actions. They OWNED slaves. They subjugated blacks. They owned human beings like you would own a piece of furniture. Do you want me to draw you a picture? There’s no “brilliance” or even a sign that you detest or deplore slavery (and plan to eradicate it) when you are engaged in the practice. Save that flavor-aid for your minions. Douglas was right in his assertions according to the WORDS in the founding documents. If anything, he just highlighted the hypocrisy between those words and the actions of it’s scribes, and at the same time, disabusing the segregationists misrepresentations of the founding documents to conserve the institution of slavery. Your FF/forebear equivocation is sophistry. We know what she meant. It’s Michelle Bachmann after all. A documented monger of fallacies.

Chrissy Tingles is like that science teacher most of us had in high school who was about 90 years old and the only science he new was pre 1900 science. He’d get all upset with students who kept proving him wrong and it was because the teacher was too damn hardheaded to get caught up to the present time and the millions of science discoveries made since he graduated back in 1888. Chrissy is imploding before our eyes because he is so upset and jealous that everyone else at PMSnbc has higher ratings. Trouble is all those others are still millions of viewers behind FOX News. I fully expect Comcast will clean house and start with more mainstream commentators and not the radical wackos PMSnbc now has on the air.

In the Beck/Palin relationship it’s really hard to see which one is hanging on to the other to keep him/her afloat. And now that Bachmann is imploding the show will only get better. These evil clowns will soon be, along with the Tea Party, only fare for rdicule and stand up.

GlennBeckReview said:
Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Padded Cell) says:“GBR = the reason Glenn Beck has to spend a million dollars a year on person security.” If making baseless, idiotic claims is your idea of tormenting liberals, well; I’d say that you’re learning well from your hero, the liar, hypocrite and yellow propagandist, Glenn Beck. Oh yeah, he rationalized the 3/5 solution too. Tsk, tsk tsk; that’s what happens when you/Beck idealize the framers. They were human too, and they made errors and an amazingly stable and flexible legal platform for a free country. You are so, oh, oh, oh unoriginal! BTW, next time someone steals your comment name, complain to Mediaite. They will delete your idiot impersonator. This antic or tactic is despicable no matter if done by an idiot on the right or an idiot on the left.

And there ya go!! Right there!

SECURITY!! SECURITY!!
OVER HERE!!

Gasket said:
They owned human beings like you would own a piece of furniture.

“They” did? How many slaves did Ben Franklin own, genius? How about John Adams? James Monroe? If only you knew what their actions actually were.

If you were half as smart as you think you are, you’d be in an excellent position. Shame that you’re not. I’ll bet your self esteem is good and high, though.

There’s no “brilliance” or even a sign that you detest or deplore slavery (and plan to eradicate it) when you are engaged in the practice. Save that flavor-aid for your minions. Douglas was right in his assertions according to the WORDS in the founding documents.

That’s a lovely contradiction you’ve got there.

Your FF/forebear equivocation is sophistry. We know what she meant. It’s Michelle Bachmann after all.

Yeah, who cares what she SAID, even if it was absolutely right? YOU know what she MEANT, which was something stupid. If only you had any idea how repulsive you are.

“only fare for rdicule and stand up.”

Yeah, if Beck and Palin continue like they are, the far left will start doing that.

Grammie said:
http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~ras2777/amgov/slavery2.html

Check out the rest of it.

.It is sometimes difficult for us to empathize with people whose era is so far removed. What we take for granted in our political lives was an earth shattering idea 250 years ago. Slavery was far more common (BTW it still exists today in some Islamic countries) and the idea that rights are intrinsic in men was unheard of.

These people were only a few generations removed from a handful of people who literally carved a civilization out of a wilderness. Without slave labor there may not have a country beyond the northeast.

Check out this link. It really is a good one.

I appreciate the links. It’s interesting stuff. Still, Nothing in these links shows that Bachman was in any way correct. She still distorted history trying to paint a far to simple picture of noble opponents of slavery.To state that the founders worked tirelessly until slavery was abolished is pretty obviously incorrect. Some of the founders opposed slavery to various degrees, some did not. Even claiming the 3/5 compromise was set up to one day end slavery seems to be stretching it. The actual slave trade was given a 20 year time limit with no clear end, but the southern sates also wanted that to end for selfish reasons. Ultimately the union mattered more than the end of slavery even though some opposed it. If the claim is that Matthews and Cooper also got some things wrong, fine. That doesn’t make Bachman suddenly correct. she still distorted history. She said JQA opposed slavery. True. and others did as well,, but to lump the founders together as one group who worked tirelessly to end slavery is a fairly egregious distortion. To state that skin color didn’t matter is another distortion regardless of Pablo’s interesting bit of trivia.

Yeah, make fun of Matthews for GOING TO COLLEGE. For LEARNING.

LOLOLOLOL

Beck will have NONE of that SKOOL LURNIN’!!

GlennBeckReview said:
Glenn Beck: “Michele Bachmann could run for President and she could win.” No delusion here folks. None at all. What is more interesting is that Beck did not mention Matthews discussion yesterday about Glenn Beck and the letter signed by 400 rabbis asking Rupert Murdoch to sanction Beck. Everyone knows what a rodeo clown is out there for, right? Distract, distract the bull. Protect the bull fighter and distract the bull. Beck has a bull charging at him full speed, and he’s on the radio today talking about Michele, the deceitful reactionary, Tea Bag Congresswoman, Bachmann. Mr. Beck: those hoofs your hear…are coming for you, rodeo clown!http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#41301293 Glenn Beck has got to go! I wish I had the confidence to assert that it’s just a matter of time before Beck embarrasses Murdoch, but Rupert seems to have no shame. Corruption is Fox “News.”

What do you call 400 Rabbis on the bottom of the ocean?
OOPS! Wait. That is Lawyers, isn’t it?

BOMBSHELL, Beck is not going anywhere!
You are going absolutley Bat Shit!
Give it a rest Dude.
You are being laughed at!
Your head is going to explode..BOOM

Opps! Wait! That is Lawyers

zumpano said:
Yeah, make fun of Matthews for GOING TO COLLEGE. For LEARNING. LOLOLOLOL Beck will have NONE of that SKOOL LURNIN’!!

Beck makes about 35 Million a year, Numbnuts!
Who gets the last laugh! Lack of SKOOL LURNIN’
didn’t seem to hurt him much!
Got all you College Boys panties in a knot, though!
ROTFLMAO!
BTW Before I am insulted, I do have a Degree?
But I don’t make 35 Million a year.
I would be happy to sacrifice one for the other!
So would EVERYONE who comes on this board.

Pablo said:
Can you just imagine the paradise we’d live in if only we’d had CosmosDan at the founding instead of that stupid Ben Franklin?

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I think it is Gasket that that should be directed to, Pablo. You’ve done good on this, really good.

BTW, how hard is it to do a link thru a word or phrase such as “John Castor” above.

Probably NOT wrong said:
BTW Before I am insulted, I do have a Degree

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I have a degree also, but only from a high school.

Does that mean that I shouldn’t be speaking out of turn and interrupting my betters with my uneducated ignorant opinions? :)

Gasket said:
You are forgiven. It’s not ME putting them on an idealistic pedestal.

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I know that.

But did you know that you are putting yourself on that pedestal.?

zumpano said:
Yeah, make fun of Matthews for GOING TO COLLEGE. For LEARNING. LOLOLOLOL Beck will have NONE of that SKOOL LURNIN’!!

i disagree Glenn Beck is a perfect example of the hopes and dreams you are capable of in america . you don’t need parents with a chauffer and a tennis court to be successful in the U.S.A. . the elite HATE Glenn Beck becuase he is living proof that you can succeed in America .

Grammie said:
.I have a degree also, but only from a high school. Does that mean that I shouldn’t be speaking out of turn and interrupting my betters with my uneducated ignorant opinions? :)

not only do you have the right to speak your mind , but , you have a right to succeed , unless you ask a progressive liberal in the press .

what i miss is all the IVY LEAGUE GRADS that PREACHED global warming . all the times they told me how wrong i was , ooooohhhh , it is so cool (cold) to be on the RIGHT side .

Grammie said:

You’re right. But it is historically accurate that the Founders did work to not only form the union but to do so in a way that allowed the practice to be ended.

I realize that several of our founders opposed slavery. Never argued otherwise. It’s a mystery why Jefferson who seemed to oppose it also kept so many slaves and didn’t follow Washington’s example of freeing his slaves, but the answer may be found in their opposing views on integration. Washington thought free slaves could mix and live in harmony with white neighbors while Jefferson thought the races needed to be separated. I’m not trying to paint our founders as bad guys in any way. I’m just trying to look at things realistically. People have their noble side and their selfish side, their virtues and their flaws. Our founders were no different. Seeing them realistically helps us to see ourselves and others realistically IMHO. But that’s a tangent.
I don’t see the evidence that our founders set up a system that with the explicit goal of eventually ending slavery although I have no doubt that some of them had that goal and hope. It appears to me that their decision was that the union mattered more than slavery, and the slavery issue would have to wait. That doesn’t make them evil, but just men having to make crucial decisions in history. I admire our noble experiment and feel that we have continued to struggle to create a more perfect union, still striving for equality and justice. I also think we have to look at things realistically and try to see and understand the nuances. We may admire noble principles but exactly how those principles are applied to day to day life gets quite complicated.
My only point on Bachman was that in her desire to please the crowd she had distorted history. I don’t think that’s necessary or positive.

Grammie said:
They could have just gone with the flow and not addressed it at all. I admire them, one and all and I think that Bachmann stayed within the big picture well enough to not have been subjected to near rabid attacks on her.

There are a lot of levels between, didn’t care and didn’t address it, and , worked tirelessly to see it abolished. Either extreme is a gross distortion. I stated before that Matthews was a jackass in the way he went after her. He could have taken the Anderson route and just said she got it pretty historically wrong. Something more of a fact check , which is fine. I don’t think she stayed within the big picture. I think she distorted history enough to be called on it because she is an elected official.
Who do you think rabidly attacked her? Posters? There’s so much of that I try not to take it seriously. What surprises me is the need to defend and justify from the right. {not that both sides don’t do it} She was wrong, Matthews was a huge jerk about it, and that should have been the end of it. I think inflated controversy and conflict is great for the media and we buy into it too much with knee jerk attacks and name calling and knee jerk defense and justification. It never was a big deal until we helped make it one, but defending her mistake was part of that inflation
I guess the inflated controversy did some good because I read some interesting stuff thanks to your links. They gave more details but didn’t contradict my general understanding. Some opposed slavery, some didn’t, and slavery was allowed to continue for political and economic reasons.

Wow, coming from a 3-watt intellect like Beck, that’s really gotta not hurt very much at all.

Adkins was right. It’s starting.

WildMan said:
Chrissy Tingles is like that science teacher most of us had in high school who was about 90 years old and the only science he new was pre 1900 science.

Huh? My science teachers in grade school, high school, and college were nothing like this. If you had a science teacher like that, I pity you. It’s no wonder you think the way you do.

Grammie said:
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I have a degree also, but only from a high school.

Does that mean that I shouldn’t be speaking out of turn and interrupting my betters with my uneducated ignorant opinions? :)

Not in my book. That’s all I have as well but that doesn’t prevent either of us from studying and understanding, or make a well reasoned argument or opinion less valid. I’ve run into several posters on,line that talk about the logic course they took as if that automatically made their argument more logical. It sure didn’t.

zumpano said:
Yeah, make fun of Matthews for GOING TO COLLEGE. For LEARNING. LOLOLOLOL Beck will have NONE of that SKOOL LURNIN’!!

Neither beck nor limbaugh nor hannity went to college.

Chris Matthews did go to college. He went to the College of the Holy Cross and did graduate work at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, neither of which is an “ivy league” school.

IAMAREALMAN said:
i disagree Glenn Beck is a perfect example of the hopes and dreams you are capable of in america . you don’t need parents with a chauffer and a tennis court to be successful in the U.S.A. . the elite HATE Glenn Beck becuase he is living proof that you can succeed in America .

So is Jenna Jameson. So are the execs who were willing to say screw you to a lot of people so they could make their millions. Making money doesn’t automatically make you a boon to society.

Probably NOT wrong said:
Beck makes about 35 Million a year, Numbnuts!Who gets the last laugh! Lack of SKOOL LURNIN’didn’t seem to hurt him much!Got all you College Boys panties in a knot, though!ROTFLMAO!BTW Before I am insulted, I do have a Degree?But I don’t make 35 Million a year.I would be happy to sacrifice one for the other!So would EVERYONE who comes on this board.

I don’t begrudge Beck his $35M a year; sure, some can make millions without an education.

But I do condemn beck because of how he makes his $35M a year.

But the broader point is that people like beck, palin, and limbaugh bash higher education, and that is wrong. This country will not regain its place in the world in science or math or other areas which require an education. How many people who are fans of beck, hannity, and limbaugh tell their kids that, hey, these guys are millionaires and didn’t go to college? You can be sure that there are people like this.

zumpano said:
Yeah, make fun of Matthews for GOING TO COLLEGE. For LEARNING. LOLOLOLOL Beck will have NONE of that SKOOL LURNIN’!!

He sint making fun of learning . He is making fun of the crap the Liberal teachers at most colleges, IVY leauge prmiarily spews… mos tof it is wrong. When 80% of college professors are liberla ahcks you raely learnt he TRUTH unless you read it on your own.

Pablo said:
Can you just imagine the paradise we’d live in if only we’d had CosmosDan at the founding instead of that stupid Ben Franklin? I shudder to think of the Utopia that might have been.

I don’t think I said anything to suggest a Utopia. Bachman did.

Pablo said:
Do you know that the first true slave in America was John Casor? And do you know that he was owned by a black man, Anthony Johnson?

Her comment is completely absurd! As long as you don’t know what you’re talking about. Comfy, ain’t it?

That’s funny. So somehow this bit of trivia, that a black man owned a black man, proves Bachman’s much broader statement that skin color didn’t matter. You can’t make that work with any stretch of decent reasoning.

Grammie said:
.I have a degree also, but only from a high school. Does that mean that I shouldn’t be speaking out of turn and interrupting my betters with my uneducated ignorant opinions? :)

No don’t get me wrong! I just get tired of anyone knocking anyone
because of lack of education or perceived quality of the institution.
I went to Gardner-Webb in NC. Small school near SC line.
I can name one hell of a lot of successful people with out High School
or College Diplomas.
Again, people who brag about money, education, or contacts tp complete strangers
are usually the one who lie about it.

CosmosDan said:
So is Jenna Jameson. So are the execs who were willing to say screw you to a lot of people so they could make their millions. Making money doesn’t automatically make you a boon to society.

No but it makes you one very happy, very comfortable (non-boon) (:>)

I think I have said this before, but I live in a Condo. I am the
Treasurer of our Homeowners Association. (Never Again) btw! You would think
half of these f*uckers here are richer than Trump, Buffett, or Gates
to hear them talk and watch their phony actions!
UNTILL it is time to pay the Quarterly Assessments.
Then you couldn’t find them with a GPS if they had the antenna
up their ass.
Much the same I suspect like quite a few of the commentors here
trying to so hard impress!

Seems like Becky has a crush on Botch-man…or is it a crush on Matthews..I can’t tell. Either way, these three people are turds.

Probably NOT wrong said:
I think I have said this before, but I live in a Condo. I am the
Treasurer of our Homeowners Association. (Never Again) btw! You would think
half of these f*uckers here are richer than Trump, Buffett, or Gates
to hear them talk and watch their phony actions!
UNTILL it is time to pay the Quarterly Assessments.
Then you couldn’t find them with a GPS if they had the antenna
up their ass.
Much the same I suspect like quite a few of the commentors here
trying to so hard impress!

I wish they had a fan button on this site..that is hilarious!! I had to finally change my wireless network to “PayYourHoaDuesF**kers” can’t say it worked…

CosmosDan said:
I don’t think I said anything to suggest a Utopia. Bachman did.

She did? What?

Probably NOT wrong said:
No but it makes you one very happy, very comfortable (non-boon) (:>)

as my friend always said, money can’t buy happiness, but it can pay for the yacht that pulls up next to it.

CosmosDan said:
To state that skin color didn’t matter is another distortion regardless of Pablo’s interesting bit of trivia.

What did it matter, specifically? Were there not free blacks? Were there not non free non blacks? What of the black Founders? Black and slave were noy synonyms.

Douglass first thought as you do. Lincoln urged him to dig deeper and reevaluate. He did, and he left us those lovely quotes.

zumpano said:
Yeah, make fun of Matthews for GOING TO COLLEGE. For LEARNING.

LOLOLOLOL

Beck will have NONE of that SKOOL LURNIN’!!

It seems Tingles did more drinking than learning.

Grammie said:
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I think it is Gasket that that should be directed to, Pablo. You’ve done good on this, really good.

BTW, how hard is it to do a link thru a word or phrase such as “John Castor” above.

Thank you, Grammie. Gasket got the same treatment somewhere upthread.

The links couldn’t be simpler with Firefox. They’re way too much trouble with this Droid I’m on. I’ll give you the rundown later if you like.

Michelle Bachmann is the perfect symbolic head of the Tea Party.
Of course she is going to attract media flies, she is so full of stuff!

Everyone loves a good joke. Michelle Bachmann represents simple ideas for simple people.

Glenn? Same some of the vitriolic rhetoric for your other enemies!

Bershad wrote, “We will never be bored as long as Glenn Beck … remain[s] in front of cameras.”

That’s what Beck needs from mainstream “journalists,” cheer leaders. Tell that lie, you got to tell that lie. All the way, all the way, all the way to the grand deception. YEAHHHHHHHH!

Absurd!

The outrage over his 8-28 event has less to do with the timing and location than the disgraceful and glaring hypocrisy of Beck’s speech that day! Of course Beck will never own up to his many hypocrisies and lies.

Beck childishly yelled, “You, sir, are a balloon head that was taught by a balloon head.”

Beck, you are a balloon head that dropped out of college. Beck is a balloon head filling the minds of his followers with violent rhetoric, historical revisionism (of the deceitful sort) and reactionary notions that progressives are the bane of existence, a cancer to the American politic. Beck is a balloon head blissfully unaware of his long line of hypocrisies and blatantly false claims. Beck’s is to political discourse as the Gulf oil spill was to the ocean: a disgusting mess.

Some of Beck’s devoted followers attack me personally on here, but you don’t see them address my assertions about Beck. When they look at the actual facts, they know damn well that they are not on Beck’s side. Beck consciously and routinely lies.

Finally, it’s important to note that there are conservatives speaking out against Beck. When a person is engaged in wildly deceitful and irresponsible propaganda, when he tells his viewers that they need to shoot people in the head, you can’t have a policy debate with him. THIS IS NOT ABOUT IDEOLOGY. I supported libertarian Ron Paul with my vote and a bumper sticker in 2008. THIS IS ABOUT HONESTY AND HAVING CONSISTENT PRINCIPLES. He has neither. Beck is an utter charlatan!

GlennBeckReview said:
Bershad wrote, “We will never be bored as long as Glenn Beck … remain[s] in front of cameras.” That’s what Beck needs from mainstream “journalists,” cheer leaders. Tell that lie, you got to tell that lie. All the way, all the way, all the way to the grand deception. YEAHHHHHHHH! Absurd! The outrage over his 8-28 event has less to do with the timing and location than the disgraceful and glaring hypocrisy of Beck’s speech that day! Of course Beck will never own up to his many hypocrisies and lies. Beck childishly yelled, “You, sir, are a balloon head that was taught by a balloon head.” Beck, you are a balloon head that dropped out of college. Beck is a balloon head filling the minds of his followers with violent rhetoric, historical revisionism (of the deceitful sort) and reactionary notions that progressives are the bane of existence, a cancer to the American politic. Beck is a balloon head blissfully unaware of his long line of hypocrisies and blatantly false claims. Beck’s is to political discourse as the Gulf oil spill was to the ocean: a disgusting mess. Some of Beck’s devoted followers attack me personally on here, but you don’t see them address my assertions about Beck. When they look at the actual facts, they know damn well that they are not on Beck’s side. Beck consciously and routinely lies. Finally, it’s important to note that there are conservatives speaking out against Beck. When a person is engaged in wildly deceitful and irresponsible propaganda, when he tells his viewers that they need to shoot people in the head, you can’t have a policy debate with him. THIS IS NOT ABOUT IDEOLOGY. I supported libertarian Ron Paul with my vote and a bumper sticker in 2008. THIS IS ABOUT HONESTY AND HAVING CONSISTENT PRINCIPLES. He has neither. Beck is an utter charlatan!

put some other than your opinion or a link to your web site,………all you do is try to get attention for your web site……..still waiting on the bombshell

GlennBeckReview said:
Bershad wrote, “We will never be bored as long as Glenn Beck … remain[s] in front of cameras.” That’s what Beck needs from mainstream “journalists,” cheer leaders. Tell that lie, you got to tell that lie. All the way, all the way, all the way to the grand deception. YEAHHHHHHHH! Absurd! The outrage over his 8-28 event has less to do with the timing and location than the disgraceful and glaring hypocrisy of Beck’s speech that day! Of course Beck will never own up to his many hypocrisies and lies. Beck childishly yelled, “You, sir, are a balloon head that was taught by a balloon head.” Beck, you are a balloon head that dropped out of college. Beck is a balloon head filling the minds of his followers with violent rhetoric, historical revisionism (of the deceitful sort) and reactionary notions that progressives are the bane of existence, a cancer to the American politic. Beck is a balloon head blissfully unaware of his long line of hypocrisies and blatantly false claims. Beck’s is to political discourse as the Gulf oil spill was to the ocean: a disgusting mess. Some of Beck’s devoted followers attack me personally on here, but you don’t see them address my assertions about Beck. When they look at the actual facts, they know damn well that they are not on Beck’s side. Beck consciously and routinely lies. Finally, it’s important to note that there are conservatives speaking out against Beck. When a person is engaged in wildly deceitful and irresponsible propaganda, when he tells his viewers that they need to shoot people in the head, you can’t have a policy debate with him. THIS IS NOT ABOUT IDEOLOGY. I supported libertarian Ron Paul with my vote and a bumper sticker in 2008. THIS IS ABOUT HONESTY AND HAVING CONSISTENT PRINCIPLES. He has neither. Beck is an utter charlatan!

SECURITY!! SECURITY!!
OVER HERE! QUICK!!
That silly little man with the Bombshell over his
shoulder is back here pissing in the Ocean again!
Check him out for weapons this time!
I think he is packing a Super Soaker Water Pistol.

GlennBeckReview said:
Beck, you are a balloon head that dropped out of college.

You tell ‘em daddy! Everyone knows that anyone who hasn’t gone to college is stupd. Maybe if Glenn Beck had gone to Cornell Cooking School he would be smart like you.

GlennBeckReview said:
Some of Beck’s devoted followers attack me personally on here,

That fu**kin rich a-hole. Who threaten to kill who? Btw Moron I’m still breathing.

Who called who an ass hopper je** off? NO! I haven’t died a aids either.

Who attacked people on this site a few days ago calling them anti semites?

If it wasn’t for Glenn Beck you would have no life. Glenn Beck lives inside your head rent free.

cjd ohio 1 said:
still waiting on the bombsh

The only ‘Bombshell’ this idiot ever finds is the one in his ‘Depends Diaper’. He’ll get through ‘potty training’ one of these years if he can just put down those Glenn Beck transcripts for just a day.

Gee, Puck30 is in a true rant. Who took away his vodka? For goodness sake fill the glass and give it back, quickly. When you have nothing of substance to post, use name calling. Works every time…NOT! Better yet Puck30, list, with specificity and excruciating detail all untruths Beck has said and then back it up with proofs…facts. Not haranguing!

BOMBSHELL said:
You tell ‘em daddy! Everyone knows that anyone who hasn’t gone to college is stupd. Maybe if Glenn Beck had gone to Cornell Cooking School he would be smart like you.

Dude, you are absolutely awesome, whoever you are. The handle, the avatar. Perfection. Rock on.

Probably NOT wrong said:
SECURITY!! SECURITY!!
OVER HERE! QUICK!!

I suspect GlennBeckReview has created more jobs than Barack Obama.

Pablo said:
Dude, you are absolutely awesome, whoever you are. The handle, the avatar. Perfection. Rock on.

BTW, that ALL CAPS handle is a delightful nuance. Kudos!

Sue said:
Gee, Puck30 is in a true rant. Who took away his vodka? For goodness sake fill the glass and give it back, quickly. When you have nothing of substance to post, use name calling. Works every time…NOT! Better yet Puck30, list, with specificity and excruciating detail all untruths Beck has said and then back it up with proofs…facts. Not haranguing!

Well, well,well the little internet bully GBR runs behind a girls skirt, how appropriate!

BOMBSHELL said:
You tell ‘em daddy! Everyone knows that anyone who hasn’t gone to college is stupd. Maybe if Glenn Beck had gone to Cornell Cooking School he would be smart like you.

I dunno, but I think this site is about to get really interesting. Cornell Cooking School?

Pablo said:
Dude, you are absolutely awesome, whoever you are. The handle, the avatar. Perfection. Rock on.

I agree. First time I’ve had a great laugh in days.

I don’t like the name calling thing from anyone. I think that a good debater does’t need that technique. It’s too elementary school and belongs on the list with holding the breath and stomping the feet. However, it’s so sweet to see Mr. Beck stand up for his girlfriends, isn’t it? Makes him feel all macho to sound so tough from the safety of his bunker. It’s funny how ‘balloon head’ is so horrible coming from Matthews (who is right by the way although misguided in his rhetoric) but O’Reilly calls people ‘pinhead’ on a daily basis and it’s ok. Funny how that works. Both expressions mean there’s nothing up there in brain city. But O’Reilly is one of the “good guys” so Beck leaves him alone. O’Reilly’s also not cute like some, like Beck, think the ‘ladies’ are. As far as I’m concerned their buttermilk has gone over to ‘blinky’ but there’s no accounting for taste. Beck may think O’Reilly’s cute but he’s never come right out and said anything. We could use a FoxPac trick and ask the question, “Glenn, some say that you think O’Reilly is cute. What do you have to say about that?”…while running the bottom banner that reads…”Controversy: Glenn Beck thinks Bill O’Reilly is cute. True or False?” They do it all the time.

X-3 said:
I agree. First time I’ve had a great laugh in days.

Ditto! BOMBSHELL nailed this one didn’t he?
My nomination for Avatar, Post and Originality for 2011!
Wait?? It couldn’t possibly BE, Could it? :-o

Sue said:
“Gee, Puck30 is in a true rant. Who took away his vodka? For goodness sake fill the glass and give it back, quickly. When you have nothing of substance to post, use name calling. Works every time…NOT! Better yet Puck30, list, with specificity and excruciating detail all untruths Beck has said and then back it up with proofs…facts. Not haranguing!”

The Reactionary puck30 says:
“Well, well,well the little internet bully GBR runs behind a girls skirt, how appropriate!”

I’m a “bully” for pointing out facts that you can’t handle? Try taking the challenge I’ve set forth: try to prove where I have any of my claims about Beck’s lies, hypocrisies or his being an utter charlatan wrong. Otherwise, you’re just another idiot here at MediaFight attacking me for your complete lack of ability to do real research. In other words, put up counter claims or shut up.

I don’t run, and your assertion is sexist at best. What makes you think that she, whomever Sue is, couldn’t kick your ass in a fair fight? I don’t run; I have a life. Morons here tell me to “get a life,” and then when I spend time with my wife and don’t comment again as quickly as you think I should, I’m running “behind a girl’s (note apostrophe) skirt.”

Puck30, you shouldn’t comment because when you do, you demonstrate to the world that you have a two digit IQ. Of course, sock-puppets like you don’t have to worry about that because nobody knows who you are. Cowards hide behind gravitars and fake names. You don’t have to run because you hide in plain sight…coward!

When I address Bershad, I’m taking on his shoddy and shallow reporting. If I want any of your lip cjd ohio, Puck30, X-3, Pablo, et al, I’ll scrape it off Glenn Beck’s zipper.

cjd ohio 1 says:
“put some other than your opinion or a link to your web site,………all you do is try to get attention for your web site……..still waiting on the bombshell”

Yeah, if you’d bother reading instead of blowing smoke, you’d know that I’m still waiting for the bombshell too. I’ve written repeatedly that it’s not in my hands, but when my collaborator publishes, oh, you will all know about it soon enough. I’ll make sure it’s plastered all over the Internet.

I have a blogroll that points to others who also point out Beck’s lies and lack of qualifications for being a commentator on anything much more complicated than hopscotch or jacks. If you were not so close minded, you’d read The Glenn Beck Review and discover that I have articles expressing sharp criticism about Beck republished written by many others besides myself including, just yesterday, a conservative and back in August a fellow (of Beck’s) Mormon. When I argue that Beck is a liar and a hypocrite; these are NOT opinions. These are the ugly facts that you cannot handle.

GlennBeckReview said:
If I want any of your lip cjd ohio, Puck30, X-3, Pablo, et al, I’ll scrape it off Glenn Beck’s zipper.

It would probably be best if you could put thoughts of touching Glenn Beck’s zipper out of your mind, Bombshell.

The reactionary Pablo said of the person celebrating the “alleged” mass-murderer:
“Dude, you are absolutely awesome, whoever you are. The handle, the avatar. Perfection. Rock on.”

X-3, another ethics-free reactionary said:
“I agree. First time I’ve had a great laugh in days.”

And one of the most reactionary morons to comment here, Probably NOT wrong and NEVER right added:
“Ditto! BOMBSHELL nailed this one didn’t he?
My nomination for Avatar, Post and Originality for 2011!”

I doubt anyone ever suspected you ethical pygmies had high moral standards, but to see you endorsing in writing some cretin celebrating the actions of a mass murderer and almost assassin by using Loughner’s visage for a gravitar as a not-so-subtle death threat against me, confirms those suspicions beyond a shadow of a doubt. You will rue the day you saddled up along side this morally bankrupt minion of the morally bankrupt Beck. With your endorsements of this “Avatar” and post, you all lost all “high ground” and any “upper hand” you ever had the delusion of having had to this point.

He’s not celebrating Loghner, Bombshell. He’s sounding a warning about YOU.

GlennBeckReview said:
The reactionary Pablo said of the person celebrating the “alleged” mass-murderer:“Dude, you are absolutely awesome, whoever you are. The handle, the avatar. Perfection. Rock on.” X-3, another ethics-free reactionary said:“I agree. First time I’ve had a great laugh in days.” And one of the most reactionary morons to comment here, Probably NOT wrong and NEVER right added:“Ditto! BOMBSHELL nailed this one didn’t he?My nomination for Avatar, Post and Originality for 2011!” I doubt anyone ever suspected you ethical pygmies had high moral standards, but to see you endorsing in writing some cretin celebrating the actions of a mass murderer and almost assassin by using Loughner’s visage for a gravitar as a not-so-subtle death threat against me, confirms those suspicions beyond a shadow of a doubt. You will rue the day you saddled up along side this morally bankrupt minion of the morally bankrupt Beck. With your endorsements of this “Avatar” and post, you all lost all “high ground” and any “upper hand” you ever had the delusion of having had to this point.

blah ,blah, blah, another fact-free post by GBR

Pablo says:
“He’s not celebrating Loghner, Bombshell. He’s sounding a warning about YOU.”

It’s great seeing you rationalize a death threat AND seeing you make a claim that has no basis in reality.

Pablo, you sorry sap of “human” being, WHAT warning? Go ahead. Quote the cretin celebrating Loughner, by using his visage for the sole purpose to lie about being my son and making other false claims, where he is “sounding a warning about” me. I can’t wait for you to pull something out of your ass (again).

By the way, while I have your attn, the “avatar” is a gravitar you fricking moron! Rock on indeed!

cjd ohio 1 says nothing of value (again) because those ethical and mental pygmies who criticize me personally cannot point to any claim I’ve made about Beck which is not based in fact.

cjd ohio 1, take the challenge I’ve laid out or just STFU before you embarrass yourself further!

GlennBeckReview said:
Sue said:“Gee, Puck30 is in a true rant. Who took away his vodka? For goodness sake fill the glass and give it back, quickly. When you have nothing of substance to post, use name calling. Works every time…NOT! Better yet Puck30, list, with specificity and excruciating detail all untruths Beck has said and then back it up with proofs…facts. Not haranguing!” The Reactionary puck30 says:“Well, well,well the little internet bully GBR runs behind a girls skirt, how appropriate!” I’m a “bully” for pointing out facts that you can’t handle? Try taking the challenge I’ve set forth: try to prove where I have any of my claims about Beck’s lies, hypocrisies or his being an utter charlatan wrong. Otherwise, you’re just another idiot here at MediaFight attacking me for your complete lack of ability to do real research. In other words, put up counter claims or shut up. I don’t run, and your assertion is sexist at best. What makes you think that she, whomever Sue is, couldn’t kick your ass in a fair fight? I don’t run; I have a life. Morons here tell me to “get a life,” and then when I spend time with my wife and don’t comment again as quickly as you think I should, I’m running “behind a girl’s (note apostrophe) skirt.” Puck30, you shouldn’t comment because when you do, you demonstrate to the world that you have a two digit IQ. Of course, sock-puppets like you don’t have to worry about that because nobody knows who you are. Cowards hide behind gravitars and fake names. You don’t have to run because you hide in plain sight…coward! When I address Bershad, I’m taking on his shoddy and shallow reporting. If I want any of your lip cjd ohio, Puck30, X-3, Pablo, et al, I’ll scrape it off Glenn Beck’s zipper. cjd ohio 1 says:“put some other than your opinion or a link to your web site,………all you do is try to get attention for your web site……..still waiting on the bombshell” Yeah, if you’d bother reading instead of blowing smoke, you’d know that I’m still waiting for the bombshell too. I’ve written repeatedly that it’s not in my hands, but when my collaborator publishes, oh, you will all know about it soon enough. I’ll make sure it’s plastered all over the Internet. I have a blogroll that points to others who also point out Beck’s lies and lack of qualifications for being a commentator on anything much more complicated than hopscotch or jacks. If you were not so close minded, you’d read The Glenn Beck Review and discover that I have articles expressing sharp criticism about Beck republished written by many others besides myself including, just yesterday, a conservative and back in August a fellow (of Beck’s) Mormon. When I argue that Beck is a liar and a hypocrite; these are NOT opinions. These are the ugly facts that you cannot handle.

BOMBSHELL, BOMBSHELL, BOMBSHELL!!
My Goodness Shell. People on here are mocking you!
No one give a shit if you think Glenn Beck is a liar or not.
You are the laughing stock on this board.
Get a life Man.
Do you HONESTLY think you are accomplishing anything
with your nonsense?

BTW the Loughner Avatar and post was one of the most creative
and funniest here for a long time.
I hopes he keep it and continues commenting!
And nobody made any hints at subtle possible attempts or
threats on your silly ass! False ego my friend!! Few know who
you are or cares! And that lip thing! TACKY BOMB , VERY TACKY!!

Now repeat after me at least three times, then six times daily until
Beck leaves your head.

I WILL FORGET GLENN BECK.
I WILL NOT READ ANYTHING ABOUT GLENN BECK!
I WILL NOT WATCH HIM ON TV!’
I WILL NOT LISTEN TO HIS RADIO TALK SHOW!
I WILL NOT READ HIS BOOKS!
I WILL NOW SPEND ALL MY WAKING HOURS WORKING
AND TRYING TO GET LAID!
AMEN!

You might want to swing a little soap on a rope in front
of your eyes while repeating this!

GBR, please provide a fact, not links to different websites, i already told you i very rarely watch beck, you have issued not challenge, provide a fact not a link and i will discuss and agree or disagree, i laugh at you, so post a fact or stfu

GlennBeckReview said:
cjd ohio 1, take the challenge I’ve laid out or just STFU before you embarrass yourself further!

Dude, nobody is going to your pathetic website. Give it up.

GlennBeckReview said:
Pablo, you sorry sap of “human” being, WHAT warning? Go ahead.

You are insane. You are the reason Glenn Beck spends a million bucks a year on personal security. You have probably created more jobs than Barack Obama. Someone should be keeping a close eye on you and ensuring that you don’t have access to weapons.

That warning, just not in so many words.

GlennBeckReview said:
It’s great seeing you rationalize a death threat…

Is there a voice in your head that you call “Pablo”, Bombshell?

Pablo, the wanna-be Gordon the blowhard with a show says:
“You are insane. You are the reason Glenn Beck spends a million bucks a year on personal security”

Right. Sure he does. You know this because he told you so, right? Unless you’ve looked at the books of Mercury Radio Arts, you’re just repeating what Beck has claimed and anyone with a basic understanding of current events and civics knows that Beck routinely lies through his teeth and doesn’t know jack about civics. You’re such a tool for repeating the nonsense he spouts, it makes mocking you easier than painting the stairwell today. (Much easier.)

I do have access to a weapon. Like many home owners we own a rifle, and I’m a very good shot. If you think that I’m a threat to anything but wildlife my wife wants disposed of, then your ignorance is showing. IGNORANCE! Pablo, there’s a cure for ignorance; but I doubt that you have a willingness to deal with the darkness that surrounds you. Step out of the cave and find out the truth about Glenn Beck. When you get to the word “Amen,” you’ll understand how Beck’s minions, who are renown for making death threats against people Beck points to, are far more of a threat to me than I to any human being. Or stay in your cave of ignorance. Ignorance suits reactionaries who follow Glenn Beck. Knowledge of the facts of history or current events will crush your love of Beck because you’d realize that he’s such a liar.

Cave or light: which will you choose?

The Plebeian, Probably NOT wrong and NEVER right says:
“No one give a shit if you think Glenn Beck is a liar or not.”

Correction: YOU don’t care that Glenn Beck lies through his teeth because for many like yourself, ideology trumps fact. Other ignorant supporters of the liar, hypocrite and charlatan Glenn Beck don’t care that Beck lies or more likely don’t believe that Beck lies. We understand that mechanism: if you are shown concrete proof of Beck’s lies, as you can read on the hot link of his lies above, you will not change your mind. You will dig in your heels and insist that facts are wrong or that the researchers are wrong or anyway you can come up with to avoid cognitive dissonance. You can’t adore a liar and a hypocrite, so your mind simply denies the reality. This will help you sleep at night perhaps, but it doesn’t make Beck an honest man.

Frankly, I’m glad he’s a lying sack of feces because if Beck suddenly became an honest broker of libertarian ideals (instead of a dishonest hypocrite), he’d be a formidable opponent. The only people who do not readily grasp that Glenn Beck is a bald faced liar are his loyal fans who are too ignorant to comprehend when Beck lies and don’t want face up to the truth. Glenn Beck lies about Van Jones, about Obama, about telling the truth even! The latter makes Glenn Beck a hypocrite, not just that one time though, but over and over again, Beck demonstrates that he’s an amoral, blatant hypocrite!

Beck took one college course on the history of religion and dropped out. He has spent his entire life working hard and preparing to be a huge radio star, not studying political theory or political science. He has been doing a lot of reading for two years, which qualifies him to proceed to his third year in college, not to professional. Beck is not much more than an amazing performance artist and an extremely convincing demagogue with ideas that Republican, President Eisenhower considered “stupid” in his days as President. Glenn Beck demonstrates repeatedly that he has virtually no understanding of political language or ideas. Beck is a yellow propagandist who comes across as sincerely interested in the country but his motivations, according to Beck’s biographer, Alex Zaitchik, “are, and have always been, money and fame. If Beck has a true religion, it’s not Patriotism. It’s not Mormonism. It’s cross-platform self-marketing.” That anyone defends him is a credit to his gift as a persuasive con-man and an insult to those defending him. They just haven’t connected the points A to B and probably will not. Why not?

Got to avoid that cognitive dissonance. Uh huh. I bet you sleep well at night.

GBR, tell me the lies about van jones

GlennBeckReview said:
The Plebeian, Probably NOT wrong and NEVER right says:“No one give a shit if you think Glenn Beck is a liar or not.” Correction: YOU don’t care that Glenn Beck lies through his teeth because for many like yourself, ideology trumps fact. Other ignorant supporters of the liar, hypocrite and charlatan Glenn Beck don’t care that Beck lies or more likely don’t believe that Beck lies. We understand that mechanism: if you are shown concrete proof of Beck’s lies, as you can read on the hot link of his lies above, you will not change your mind. You will dig in your heels and insist that facts are wrong or that the researchers are wrong or anyway you can come up with to avoid cognitive dissonance. You can’t adore a liar and a hypocrite, so your mind simply denies the reality. This will help you sleep at night perhaps, but it doesn’t make Beck an honest man. Frankly, I’m glad he’s a lying sack of feces because if Beck suddenly became an honest broker of libertarian ideals (instead of a dishonest hypocrite), he’d be a formidable opponent. The only people who do not readily grasp that Glenn Beck is a bald faced liar are his loyal fans who are too ignorant to comprehend when Beck lies and don’t want face up to the truth. Glenn Beck lies about Van Jones, about Obama, about telling the truth even! The latter makes Glenn Beck a hypocrite, not just that one time though, but over and over again, Beck demonstrates that he’s an amoral, blatant hypocrite! Beck took one college course on the history of religion and dropped out. He has spent his entire life working hard and preparing to be a huge radio star, not studying political theory or political science. He has been doing a lot of reading for two years, which qualifies him to proceed to his third year in college, not to professional. Beck is not much more than an amazing performance artist and an extremely convincing demagogue with ideas that Republican, President Eisenhower considered “stupid” in his days as President. Glenn Beck demonstrates repeatedly that he has virtually no understanding of political language or ideas. Beck is a yellow propagandist who comes across as sincerely interested in the country but his motivations, according to Beck’s biographer, Alex Zaitchik, “are, and have always been, money and fame. If Beck has a true religion, it’s not Patriotism. It’s not Mormonism. It’s cross-platform self-marketing.” That anyone defends him is a credit to his gift as a persuasive con-man and an insult to those defending him. They just haven’t connected the points A to B and probably will not. Why not? Got to avoid that cognitive dissonance. Uh huh. I bet you sleep well at night.

BOMBSHELL, you are one sick puppy!
Please try not to hurt any innocent people
when you do go Postal!
I sleep very well every night, but I doubt that would be
true if you were known to be in my neighborhood!
Get help.

Pablo says:
“It would probably be best if you could put thoughts of touching Glenn Beck’s zipper out of your mind, Bombshell.”

I can’t touch it; you have your head in the way! I repeat, the only people who do not readily grasp that Glenn Beck is a bald faced liar are his loyal fans who are too ignorant to comprehend when Beck lies and don’t want face up to the truth. Glenn Beck lies about Van Jones, about Obama, about telling the truth even! The latter makes Glenn Beck a hypocrite, not just that one time though, but over and over again, Beck demonstrates that he’s an amoral, blatant hypocrite!

Beck took one college course on the history of religion and dropped out. He has spent his entire life working hard and preparing to be a huge radio star, not studying political theory or political science. Beck is not much more than an amazing performance artist and an extremely convincing demagogue with ideas that Republican, President Eisenhower considered “stupid” in his days as President. Glenn Beck demonstrates repeatedly that he has virtually no understanding of political language or ideas. Beck is a yellow propagandist who comes across as sincerely interested in the country but his motivations, according to Beck’s biographer, Alex Zaitchik, “are, and have always been, money and fame. If Beck has a true religion, it’s not Patriotism. It’s not Mormonism. It’s cross-platform self-marketing.”

Probably NOT wrong and NEVER right: thanks so much for repeating my entire post every time you address a comment toward me. I love getting two bangs for every comment. Seriously I appreciate your help getting the word out about Mr. Beck, the greatest charlatan and con man of the 21st Century.

It’s appalling and amazing to see how he has you swallowing his nonsense, hook, line and sinker.

GlennBeckReview said:
When I address Bershad, I’m taking on his shoddy and shallow reporting. If I want any of your lip cjd ohio, Puck30, X-3, Pablo, et al, I’ll scrape it off Glenn Beck’s zipper.

If I want any shit out of you I’ll squeeze your head. I’ve not said a damned word to you and you start with your sniping at me. Well, moron, you picked on the wrong man this time.

I’ve seen a thousand little gutless pukes like you, and they all end up the same–winding up as ZEROES. You know why? You’re a little weasel who is obsessed with a man far superior to you. You could NEVER do what Glenn Beck has done because you simply never will have his talent, and that is gnawing at your insides day and night. You’ve let Glenn Beck take over what little brains you have.

You posts remind me of an 8th grader who has been one-upped by the HS QB but is too weak to go head to head with him. So, like that immature, pimple-faced pre-pubescent dork, you’re just sneaking around the restrooms scrawling grafitti in hopes that it will somehow make you something you will never be–his equal.

It won’t work, and it NEVER will! You don’t have enough class to wash Glenn Beck’s jock strap and he has absolutely nothing to fear from you or anyone like you. I can read it in your lame-brained posts and I can read it in the way you respond to others.

You make such a huge deal of the fact that Glenn Beck has stated that he never went to college–so what?. A LOT of famous, rich, and intelligent people never attended college: A few who come to mind are John D. Rockefeller, Abraham Lincoln, Halle Berry, Rachel Ray, Dave Thomas, Julie Andrews, Sean Connery, Walt Disney, Michael J. Fox, Simon Cowell, and I don’t believe Henry Ford completed college.

You make a huge deal of the fact that, by his own admission, Glenn Beck once abused drugs and alcohol. The thing you so conveniently overlook is that he is past it. That takes strength and character and God. You have none of those tools in your pathetic little tool box.

You claim that Glenn Beck twists the truth about people. How does one twist the truth by using a person’s own words? Apparently you are lying again! But lies are what people here have come to expect from you! You’ve got NOTHING, you are NOTHING, and you’ll always be NOTHING!

I’ve been reading the comments attacking GBR and find them confusing and showing no substance what so ever. When someone shows that Glenn Beck is a vile deceitful and dangerous liar it seems the Beckees go into a similar attack mode that is Glenn Beck’s mode of operation. Name calling with no true justification. You don’t have to have a college degree or even passed elementary school to recognize the danger that Glenn Beck creates to innocent people who aim to have civilized discussion about a given topic. Rather than showing a counter point as to what you disagree with you vilify that person. It’s one thing to on negative rants on this type of venue; it’s another thing completely when you have what’s claimed to be a 3 million follower base. You are more likely to have a deranged follower who will take you serious and follow thru on the insanity that is spewed by someone like Beck. I have said it before Glenn Beck will at some point step on the wrong toes and then he will be undone by his own hand (or should I say mouth).
GBR-I have seen your comments and find them true, however it is futile to respond to those who will not provide any substance to the topic at hand.

The fact that most of these comments are mindless dribble attacking GlennBeckReview serves to prove further that Beck supporters are as moronic as Beck himself.

Paladin said:
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I don’t like the name calling thing from anyone. I think that a good debater does’t need that technique

Just wanted to mention I like your name and icon. I just noticed the old TV series with Richard Boone is available on Netflix.

Have gun will travel reads the card of a man
a knight without armor in a savage land
His fast gun for hire heeds the calling wind
A soldier of fortune is the man called Paladin.

Of course if that’s not the reference then I’m really just showing my age.

Chris Marhews views are generally thoughtless, biased, childish, and bigoted. He’s really a very very stupid egotistical and boring person.

Rockycomet said:
I’ve been reading the comments attacking GBR and find them confusing and showing no substance what so ever.

Wow, just like your comment attacking Glenn Beck! I’d suggest you review the archives to see why this particular lunatic isn’t taken seriously.

X-3 says:
“I’ve not said a damned word to you”

Technically, this is true, but above you WROTE regarding the propaganda usage of a mass murderer as a gravitar:

“First time I’ve had a great laugh in days.”

Using the visage of a mass murderer as a gravitar = moral retardation. Embracing with laughter said gravitar = moral retardation.

But it gets more interesting here because Rockycomet says:

“I’ve been reading the comments attacking GBR and find them confusing and showing no substance what so ever.”

And hgovernick says:

“The fact that most of these comments are mindless dribble attacking GlennBeckReview serves to prove further that Beck supporters are as moronic as Beck himself.”

So I’m not only suggesting that embracing a jerk celebrating Jerod Laughner by using his visage as a gravitar is morally retarded, let’s face it. People attacking me personally, instead of challenging my claims in a critical and thoughtful manner, are morons as hgovernick suggests.

I will, in all fairness, point out my view that Beck is not a moron. I’ve never called him an idiot or a moron. Average? Yes. On the wrong side of history? Definitely. Ignorant? Of course. I’d go so far as to argue that he’s an ignorant genius. On current events, civics and history, he’s ignorant (or comes across that way). On his stagecraft, he’s a genius. For this uneducated man to call Matthews a “balloon head” is arrogant, self-righteous and unaware of his own short-comings. That was my original point in this string of comments before Beck’s mindless minions began to demonstrate the poverty of their perspectives by attacking me personally as is their insipid inclination. I’m still waiting for anyone to disprove my four-pronged criticism of this guy, namely that Glenn Beck is a liar, a hypocrite, a charlatan and a yellow propagandist. He also “Keeps Peddling Whack-Job Fantasies About Euthanizing Grandma, Outlawing Christmas and Turning Junior into a Raging Homosexual.” For more on that see Wolraich’s piece.

Finally, just for the record, I’m not a fan of Matthews. He’s proven himself a sexist in the past, and I really can’t stand his voice. Intellectually though, he swims circles around Beck. Beck is standing in front of his glass home throwing stones. Maybe he is a moron after all.

You tell ‘em, Bombshell!

Well shit, BOMBSHELL, if you are going to bring hgovernick and
Rockycomet in to the discussion this late in the debate, what else
can we say?
Damn, I have wasted a tremendous amount of time, but you win!
You held them back until the end of this thread purposely, didn’t
you, you little devil!
BOMBSHELL, we have underestimated you!
You got Beck on the run! Stay on him hard, my man!
He is getting nervous now! You got him on the run!
You are slicker than a minnows dick, SHELL!!
Persistence not obsession.
We were wrong.
You da MAN!!

Beck calls Matthews “self-important.” That’s because Matthews organized a big rally to promote his values on the Washington Mall? Oh, that’s right. Beck did that. How do we spell projection? G-L-E-N-N B-E-C-K.

Beck calls Matthers a “balloon head.” That’s because Matthews could not hack college and dropped out after only one course? Oh, that’s right. Beck did that. How do we spell projection? G-L-E-N-N B-E-C-K.

The only people who do not readily grasp that Glenn Beck is a bald faced liar are his loyal fans who are too ignorant to comprehend when Beck lies and don’t want face up to the truth. Glenn Beck lies about Van Jones, about Obama, about telling the truth even! The latter makes Glenn Beck a hypocrite, not just that one time though, but over and over again, Beck demonstrates that he’s an amoral, blatant hypocrite! The honor that Beck most needs to establish is in himself. Liars and hypocrites have no honor.

Beck has spent his entire life working hard and preparing to be a huge radio star, not studying political theory or political science. Beck is not too much more than an amazing performance artist and an extremely convincing demagogue with ideas that Republican, President Eisenhower considered “stupid” in his days as President. Glenn Beck demonstrates repeatedly that he has virtually no understanding of political language or ideas. Beck is a yellow propagandist who comes across as sincerely interested in the country but his motivations, according to Beck’s biographer, Alex Zaitchik, “are, and have always been, money and fame. If Beck has a true religion, it’s not Patriotism. It’s not Mormonism. It’s cross-platform self-marketing.”

Clearly, from all of the personal attacks his loyal followers launch on me personally, Beck has an amazing personal appeal. In those circles, ideology trumps ethics. It doesn’t matter to them that Beck is an ethical pygmy, so long as he attacks our black president. No racial animosity there folks, nope. Riiiiiiight. And I have a bridge from Alaska to nowhere to sell you. Someday, maybe, my detractors will challenge my claims instead of me personally. That may be above their pay grade though.

GlennBeckReview said:
X-3 says:
“I’ve not said a damned word to you”
Technically, this is true, but above you WROTE regarding the propaganda usage of a mass murderer as a gravitar:
“First time I’ve had a great laugh in days.”
Using the visage of a mass murderer as a gravitar = moral retardation. Embracing with laughter said gravitar = moral retardation.
But it gets more interesting here because Rockycomet says:

So, it’s “technically” true? How magnanamous of you.

The fact is, you are attempting to tell me what I can and cannot laugh at. Who the hell do you think you are, Mark Lloyd or Cass Sunstein? You’re neither of them so get off my case about telling me what I can and cannot do. The same should apply to the person with Loughner on his gravitar. I, along with several others realized the satire and the fact that Loughner somewhat resembles you, and the fact that you both are apparently nutcases, and we had a good laugh. Tough cookies for you.

As far as your sick and sophomoric attempts to make Glenn Beck appear to be a charlatan are concerned, you are failing bigtime; your claims don’t hold water. (They do, however, hold crap because they’re full of it.) A lot of people have advised you repeatedly to seek help for your obsession or “focused” work to “expose” Glenn Beck, and in all honesty, I hope you will before your obsession causes you to go off the deep end and harm a lot of people–sort of like Loughner, and that is the sad irony of the aforementioned satire. But, as far as your idiotic rants on this site are concerned, I could care less what you’re saying, and I think I speak for the vast majority of those who frequent this site. So, go ahead, it’s a free country, knock the rest of your brains out, just don’t come at me while you’re doing it and you’ll be fine.

Pablo-I’ve read some of GBR’s archived posts and I do find substance in his claims. Mind you I don’t agree 100% with anyone. That would be like a lemming going over the cliff. Still because I don’t agree with someone in this discussion forum doesn’t mean I have to call him a lunatic. GBR could probably tone down the response rhetoric and stick to the factual rebuttals that would be more of a discussion rather than a name calling environment. Just to clarify I stated an opinion of Glenn Beck sorry I didn’t provide you with specific incidence to justify myself. Having read the previous postings I suspect it wouldn’t matter if I did. I would have been attacked anyway because I am not a Beckee. So tell me specify why you disagree with my opinion. There are many people who don’t take Beck seriously and to many who do. It’s the ones that don’t keep things conversational that concern me. Try buying some gold that Beck is always hawking. See how much you get ripped off for counting on his truthiness. Check with your investment broker on that one you might start to doubt.

Probably NOT Wrong-Sorry I showed up late in this little battle of wits going on. Didn’t know there was a time line to hope for a more civil exchange of ideas and opinions.

X-3 says:
“As far as your sick and sophomoric attempts to make Glenn Beck appear to be a charlatan are concerned, you are failing bigtime; your claims don’t hold water.”

So you think that the Constitution is supported by “faith, hope and charity?” Only someone who knows nothing about the Constitution would make such an absurd claim. Only a fake would suggest that. Beck is not qualified to discuss much of anything beyond his faith and recovery from drug and alcohol abuse. That includes the Middle East.

C’mon X-3; make your case that the Constitution is supported by “faith, hope and charity” and that Turkey is a “frienemy.” You think my and other’s claims that Beck doesn’t know what he’s talking about holds no water, then defend Beck’s absurd and stupid claims. He’s a charlatan because he proves his ignorance day after day after day. He is not academically prepared for this role. He is in over his head, and to fill in the air time, he makes things up.

My efforts are not “sick;” you don’t like it that I have a sharp and focused criticism directed at your hero. That’s tough! Beck is a danger to this country. Beck and his fake, alternative reality is bad for your mind. If you agree with Beck, then you too will come across as a complete moron. I’m trying to help people doubt Beck, verify his claims and realize that what he says has very little correspondence to reality. You laugh at someone celebrating a mass murder, but I’m “sick.” I see how your mind (doesn’t) work.

The position I take on Beck is epistemological, not (yet) ideological. Beck is wrong on the facts too often to have any credibility. Only uninformed people, and there are millions and millions of uninformed people in America, believe what Beck claims.

Rockycomet says:
“GBR could probably tone down the response rhetoric and stick to the factual rebuttals that would be more of a discussion rather than a name calling environment.”

Good advice. Look, Glenn Beck engages in bare-fisted, smash mouth politics. I reciprocate; that’s all.

Let me repeat: the only people who do not readily grasp that Glenn Beck is a bald faced liar are his loyal fans who are too ignorant to comprehend when Beck lies and don’t want face up to the truth. Glenn Beck lies about Van Jones, about Obama, about telling the truth even! The latter makes Glenn Beck a hypocrite, not just that one time though, but over and over again, Beck demonstrates that he’s a liar, an amoral, blatant hypocrite and a complete fraud!

Beck took one college course on the history of religion and dropped out. He has spent his entire life working hard and preparing to be a huge radio star, not studying political theory or political science. Beck is not much more than an amazing performance artist and an extremely convincing demagogue with ideas that Republican, President Eisenhower considered “stupid” in his days as President. Glenn Beck demonstrates repeatedly that he has virtually no understanding of political language or ideas. Beck is a yellow propagandist who comes across as sincerely interested in the country but his motivations, according to Beck’s biographer, Alex Zaitchik, “are, and have always been, money and fame. If Beck has a true religion, it’s not Patriotism. It’s not Mormonism. It’s cross-platform self-marketing.” Beck is a persuasive con man, Rocky comet; there’s no real gentle way to make the case. Besides, bare knuckled, smash mouth politics suits me fine. My like was an accident. I was born to take on this fight. I’d rather watch television, but I do this for one reason. It’s not money. It’s not fame. It’s not self-interest. Beck is poisoning the political discourse in America and dragging people, who believe and repeat his idiotic lies, down into the sewer with him.

Glenn Beck is bad (yellow) propaganda for America. Foreigners aware of Beck must think Americans are morons. Sadly, many, who follow Beck, are.

GBR-I agree whole heartedly with your points regarding Glenn Beck. I fear that his poison tongue will be the death of an innocent person exercising their opinion in a discussion forum. I commend your effort to show Beck for what he is. I just think name calling by anyone is not a productive means of sharing ideas, points of fact and/or opinion. You know that Beckee’s will just return your comments with mindless verbal name calling with no substance, like Beck has a tendency to do. They are to be ignored just keep the facts coming and don’t use Beck’s methods to overcome his negativity.

Rockycomet says:
“They are to be ignored just keep the facts coming and don’t use Beck’s methods to overcome his negativity.”

I will take your advice to heart. As for Beck’s methods, I have no audio channel. I have no video channel. I have no chalkboards.

I have the “pen.” I have words and only words (here) with other people’s video clips on The Glenn Beck Review. Beck is bringing a cannon to this fight.

I don’t name call Beck although sometimes (often) he is just an ass. When I’m attacked by his idiotic, name-calling minions, sometimes I strike back in kind; sometimes I ignore them. Maybe you’re right, maybe that makes me look like a coward. Actually I welcome debate on the charges I’m making against Beck. So far Gordon Bloyer is the only one who tried, but he did not prove to be up to the task.

Thanks for the tips.

GlennBeckReview said:
Only someone who knows nothing about the Constitution would make such an absurd claim.

So, you’re calling me absurd? I thought you didn’t resort to name calling. We have an apparent contradiction. I’ve read MANY of your posts where you make vulgar changes to peoples’ names who disagree with you. Yes, I’ve seen many posts wherein you are called vulgar names too, but it’s quid pro quo on their part.

As for the Constitution being founded in faith, hope, and charity, you are wrong. The Founders in their writings strongly expressed that our rights are granted by God. They spoke of the laws of Nature and of Nature’s God in the Declaration of Independence, which pretty much is a precursor to the Constitution. The tired old failed argument that the Constitution separated religion from government is as false now as it was when it started. The opinion was that there should be no particular religion officially sanctioned by government, even though the several states were free to officially sanction various denominations. The difference between you and me is that while we both may have read the Constitution, you failed to understand it.

We’re all still waiting by the way for that “bombshell” on Glenn Beck that you promised. Oh, and I visited some of your links; the one where you called for the firing of Glenn Beck wasn’t too successful, was it? You got 4 thumbs up and 9 thumbs down. What does that tell a rational mind? I’ll leave that to you to figure out.

GlennBeckReview said:
“Only someone who knows nothing about the Constitution would make such an absurd claim.”

X-ceptionally dim-3 says:
“So, you’re calling me absurd? I thought you didn’t resort to name calling. We have an apparent contradiction. I’ve read MANY of your posts where you make vulgar changes to peoples’ names who disagree with you. Yes, I’ve seen many posts wherein you are called vulgar names too, but it’s quid pro quo on their part.”

No, dillweed; I called your claim absurd. When you talk about “quid pro quo” you have it backward. I will try to do my best to ignore the trolls though. They only drag me and this site down to the gutter. Sad, pathetic, but not unexpected on a site that posts stories about the number one charlatan of the 21st Century. Some people see this, others are ignorant tools.

GlennBeckReview said:
X-ceptionally dim-3 says:

You see GBR, it’s immature crap like this that makes it impossible to have a conversation with you. Calling my “claims” absurd is the same thing as calling “me” absurd. You add to it by calling me dillweed. It seems that you consider anyone who disagrees with you a “troll” but you no more ignore them than you ignore those who try to open a dialogue with you.

YOU’RE A SICK-O GBR, AND IT IS NO WONDER YOU HOLD THE RECORD FOR NEGATIVE RESPONSES TO YOUR IDIOTIC POSTS. YOU’RE OBSESSED WITH A MAN WHO IS BY FAR YOUR BETTER. WHAT IS IT? DID HE BEAT YOU OUT OF A JOB SOMEWHERE OR HAVE YOU GONE COMPLETELY AROUND THE BEND. I TEND TO THINK IT MUST BE THE LATTER SINCE THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY YOU COULD EVEN PRETEND TO COMPETE WITH MR. GLENN BECK, A TRULY HONORABLE AND DECENT MAN AND A GREAT PATRIOT TO THIS COUNTRY WHEN MANY MORE ARE NEEDED. YOU MAKE ALL THESE MORONIC AND INSANE CLAIMS BUT YOU HAVE POSTED NOTHING RELATING TO A FACT. YOU NEED PSYCHIATRIC HELP AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO ARE UNFORTUNATE TO COME INTO CONTACT WITH YOU, I HOPE YOU WILL SEEK IT OUT. YOUR LAME-BRAINED WEBSITE IS THE SAME BASELESS GARBAGE YOU SAY HERE. YOU’VE GOT NOTHING BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING AND YOU WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.

GBR-OK, now I’m shaking my head in confusion. You professed to take my advice to heart but on the very next post you demean someone that you could potential engage in civil conversation and a sharing of ideas. Your message will be lost in this kind of exchange. It has been said that one gets more with warm fuzzies than cold pricklies. What you are saying and what you are doing becomes as negative as the actions of the person you are trying to expose. Please don’t allow your passion for your objective to cause you to lose your sense of civility. You are not using a cannon, more like an atom bomb and they leave very little behind.

Rockycomet said:
GBR-OK, now I’m shaking my head in confusion.

I don’t think you’ll see him respond, and I certainly don’t think you’ll see him take your advice. You need to know this guy is really mentally unstable. He is truly obsessed with Glenn Beck. I am one of many people who have tried to engage him in civilized dialogue but it never seems to work with this guy. He insults anyone who disagrees with him and while he claims to be able to prove all sorts of outlandish crap about Beck, he has failed to do so. Even the links he cites (mostly posted on his website and written by him), are not verifiable or either so obviously lies that no sane person could lend them credence. If you keep reading this guy’s posts, you will also notice key contradictions in what he says. He’s a real loose cannon and I hope we don’t read about him going off the deep end and harming innocent people.

X-3-Noted, as I said above I am not a lemming going over the cliff, however I am also not a fan or believer of Glenn Beck’s style of presentation. If however I have specific issues against him you will that find I won’t use explitives and any demeaning references to someone I engage with and will also justify my point of view with verifiable facts. Obviously if you can’t do that there is nothing to say.

Regards

Rockycomet said:
I won’t use explitives and any demeaning references to someone I engage with

kudos.

X-3 says:
“I don’t think you’ll see him respond, and I certainly don’t think you’ll see him take your advice. You need to know this guy is really mentally unstable. He is truly obsessed with Glenn Beck. I am one of many people who have tried to engage him in civilized dialogue but it never seems to work with this guy.”

Gee, that I’m extraordinarily busy might have something to do with why I don’t come back to answer your every query. It’s so weird: when my wife listens to Beck, she gets “an overwhelming feeling of evil” too. I asked her why, and she said that she could tell that he is a liar by HOW he speaks.

I’m more empirical and philosophically trained. Beck lies and we prove this day after day. I have a long list of posts detailing Beck’s false claims, and I don’t post nearly all the ones I know about. I have a large unused file detailing many of Beck’s lies.

Beck is on the wrong side of history again, but — not surprising — he was on the side of democracy in the Middle East in support of Bush’s war of choice against Iraq. He hasn’t changed his mind: Glenn Beck is a hypocrite through and through. I prove this with facts and logic over and over again. And this begs the question: why does Beck has such a large following?

Yes, he’s persuasive and cunning and gifted. He’s also highly skilled at manipulating his viewers; Beck is a master manipulator. Why else would more of his followers not hear the lies I could detect before starting The Glenn Beck Review. He programs his viewers to dismiss any and all criticism of him, no matter how factual and unbiased, no matter how honest. This has led me to a recent re-evaluation of his intellect as of late. He’s still ignorant about the world, but he’s very bright, clever, gifted, persuasive and intelligent. It’s taken a while to see that, but the link about his manipulation skills forced me into rethinking just how smart he is.

It’s still all about Glenn Beck. His motivations, according to Beck’s biographer, Alex Zaitchik, “are, and have always been, money and fame. If Beck has a true religion, it’s not Patriotism. It’s not Mormonism. It’s cross-platform self-marketing.” Those who do not grasp this about him, can not hear his lies or hypocrisies, do not recognize that this uneducated, ignorant man is a charlatan and yellow propagandist, are victims more than they are supporters. They are to be pitied, not respected. X-3, sock puppet, that be you among others here.

X-3 says:

“Even the links he cites (mostly posted on his website and written by him), are not verifiable….”

I verify EVERYTHING I claim about Beck. That’s what the light letters in my posts are: hot links to more information supporting my claims.

X-3, sock puppet, you’re a tool. Sad, but true; you’re being used and manipulated by Mr. Beck.