thanks tommy for proving you are racist

and i believe huckbee screwed up big time

How absurd that the hosts on MSNBC are going after Mike Huckabee on this issue. Huckabee goes out of his way to avoid hate speech and mud-slinging, and almost always takes the high road when talking about other politicians. He focuses on the issues, and leaves the personal attacks to others. When the MSNBC hosts live up to Huckabee’s standard, then they have some moral authority for their criticism. When MSNBC gives up its own relentless obsession with skin color, they will have some credibility here. But given this networks 24/7 smear-fest and incessant race-card playing, they look pathetic trying to critique the Governor.

Hmmm…interesting.

From Urban Dictionary (2003):
________________________________________________________________________
mau mau:

Originally black Africans of the Kikuyu tribe involved in an insurgency against white colonists in Kenya. More recently used as a racial slur against persons of African descent.

“Listen mau mau, you had best get these dishes washed right now or I’m going to fire your ass!”
________________________________________________________________________

I doubt Huckabee is a racist man but he has been spending to much time with them and they are rubbing off on him.
This Mau Mau shit didn’t happen by accident and when Matthews said yesterday the Right is trying to put a bone in Obama’s nose he was right.

Absolutely despicable.

“But there are lots of people who long for a time when you could make “jungle bunny” jokes and not become a pariah, and they’re not all klansmen. They are the audience for Huckabee’s race-baiting.”

Absolutely true. I spent summers and winters working in a Michigan paper mill to help finance college. Many a lunch spent sitting at a heavily carved wooden table listening to gun loving racists deride African Americans and the evils of the federal government. I am an urban liberal now as consequence of my academic training but equally as consequence of my early exposure to the unvarnished honesty of rural white intolerance.

Tommy Christopher writes…

” But there are lots of people who long for a time when you could make “jungle bunny” jokes….”

Whaaaaaat????

I notice this crap always happens when Obama’s poll numbers are high. When Obama is unpopular they will debate health care or deficit but when the Right is losing in the battle of ideas they always resort to this kind of pathetic racist “background” assignation.

Recent catchphrases…

wasn’t a boy scout
madrassa
mau mau
crazy mother
not a mom and apple pie guy

BFD said:
assignation

assassination

Christopher is saying that everyone must vote for Obama, to prove you are not a racist, in the next election. I think you are looking at the next campaign slogan.

BFD said:
Recent catchphrases…

wasn’t a boy scout
madrassa
mau mau
crazy mother
not a mom and apple pie guy

And that’s just O’Reilly and Huckabee.

Yes…these silly Africans who violently rose up against the British. They’re un-American.

Good thing our Founding Fathers would never have been a part of a violent uprising against the British.

Boo. Black people.

Get back in your dog whistle hole right wing nutsos.

I’m gonna post this again, sorry:

Oh for christsake. Please, liberals, tell me that you’re not eating up this faux outrage that people like Lawrence continue to dish out.

I need to know that not all Libs are politically correct jag offs deconstructing every sentence looking for racist innuendo.

Hello?

Moderate said:
Christopher is saying that everyone must vote for Obama, to prove you are not a racist, in the next election. I think you are looking at the next campaign slogan.

Paraphrase is a critical academic skill… akin to selecting relevant quotes, providing concise summary and connecting text to outside ideas. You paraphrase like one new to the concept. Good luck with that.

BTW, my new favorite thing from Andrew Sullivan today.

Indonesian money. Featuring boy scouts:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2011/03/rotary-clubs-vs-madrassas-ctd-1.html

If this is the best attack the Huck has, I look forward to four more years of his entertaining Fox talk show.

“catfishjuggling”

Now that is racist.

Ahhh, interesting article… But basketball was invented by a CANADIAN, who happened to have a job in the United States…

Greg said:
“But there are lots of people who long for a time when you could make “jungle bunny” jokes and not become a pariah, and they’re not all klansmen. They are the audience for Huckabee’s race-baiting.” Absolutely true. I spent summers and winters working in a Michigan paper mill to help finance college. Many a lunch spent sitting at a heavily carved wooden table listening to gun loving racists deride African Americans and the evils of the federal government. I am an urban liberal now as consequence of my academic training but equally as consequence of my early exposure to the unvarnished honesty of rural white intolerance.

haha. I love sarcasm. Well done.

Mike Huckabee was governor of my state for about 10 years.

During that time, NOBODY in Arkansas (plenty would have jumped at the chance) ever accused him of racism in any manner or form. Not in his policies, not in hiring his staff, not in hiring state employees, not in his words, NONE.

Not only did he follow racial policies which would be acceptable to any reasonable person, but he was never accused of “mixing” his Christian faith with the laws of the State of Arkansas. That was more a concern when he took over the governorship from an indicted Democrat who didn’t want to leave. Yet, like the racial issue, Huckabee was never seriously critisized by his adversaries about racism or secular government during his tenure.

My point is, before you start jumping to conclusions based on a few sentences he uttered, and before you think you know the man based on a paragraph uttered during a monster day of book selling, think what YOU’VE accomplished in comparison. It won’t be much.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW, TOMMY?

lonestar77 said:
haha. I love sarcasm. Well done.

Attempt at honesty… but you know that. The dishonesty is yours, as you comfort dictates.

Coming from a racially diverse family, this issue gets me really heated.

Ever notice 99% of the time it’s always well-to-do WHITE liberals that lob the word racist around so easily.

Not ever having to deal with true racism, they insult everyone that’s had to put up with true struggle. It’s quite sickening.

Arkansas Steve said:
During that time, NOBODY in Arkansas (plenty would have jumped at the chance) ever accused him of racism in any manner or form.

I’m also not accusing Huckabee of racism.

Arkansas Steve said:
My point is, before you start jumping to conclusions based on a few sentences he uttered, and before you think you know the man based on a paragraph uttered during a monster day of book selling, think what YOU’VE accomplished in comparison. It won’t be much.

Unfortunately he has doubled down on his rhetoric since then with his “didn’t grow up a boy scout” and “madrassa” comments. Anything to paint Obama as the “Other”.
Times have changed since the 10 years Huck was Gov. and this is the way a conservative politician MUST talk if he wants to attract the teabagging demo.
Sad but true.

I think Huck is becoming ignorant…..or “ignant” as they pronouce it in Arkansas…..

turk281 said:
Ever notice 99% of the time it’s always well-to-do WHITE liberals that lob the word racist around so easily.

What does that have to do with this story? The word “racist” doesn’t appear once in it.

Tommy is race-baiting-baiting.

Is that a joke Tommy?

“Matthews and company miss two key aspects of Huckabee’s dogwhistling, perhaps giving him some benefit of the doubt that they were unintentional. The first is that the term “mau mau” also doubles as a racial slur. You can look it up, but I don’t want to send traffic to any white supremacist websites.”

It’s in the title of your piece, Tommy.

“Mike Huckabee not just race baiting he’s race chumming”

Tommy Christopher said:
What does that have to do with this story? The word “racist” doesn’t appear once in it.

Is that a joke Tommy?

“Matthews and company miss two key aspects of Huckabee’s dogwhistling, perhaps giving him some benefit of the doubt that they were unintentional. The first is that the term “mau mau” also doubles as a racial slur. You can look it up, but I don’t want to send traffic to any white supremacist websites.”

It’s in the title of your piece, Tommy.

“Mike Huckabee not just race baiting he’s race chumming”

Tommy Christopher said:
I’m also not accusing Huckabee of racism.

Grow up, Tommy. Stop playing your stupid little word games. Surely your maturity didn’t peak at the age of twelve.

“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,”

Biden thinks Obama is the only African-American who is articulate and bright and clean.

turk281 said:
Coming from a racially diverse family, this issue gets me really heated.

Ever notice 99% of the time it’s always well-to-do WHITE liberals that lob the word racist around so easily.

Not ever having to deal with true racism, they insult everyone that’s had to put up with true struggle. It’s quite sickening.

Not sure if you have noticed this, but the right has adopted a mantra that strong Democratic party loyalty by African Americans is an effect of progressive racism… a right that is far more white and well to do than the average liberal voter.

Tommy’s a hack. What else is new?

cjd ohio 1 said:
thanks tommy for proving you are racist

as other white people tend to assume all white people think the way they do. How do we all think tommy?

Pablo said:
Tommy’s a hack. What else is new?

Tommy’s actually one of my favorite journalists on the left. That’s why this secret “dogwhistle” crap disappoints me.

I’ve seen him stick up for the right on issues like this, but this shit just seems like typical media matters trash.

Pablo said:
Tommy’s a hack. What else is new?

…says the fellow obliged to jam the digital public sphere with terrible predictability.

For better or worse, we will be hearing about Huckabee’s comment about actress Natalie Portman tommorrow.

P.S.
This guy looks a little like Mike Huckabee:

http://tinyurl.com/6ezqnvu

turk281 said:
Oh for christsake. Please, liberals, tell me that you’re not eating up this faux outrage that people like Lawrence continue to dish out.

Why should they prove anything to you when you sit there lapping up every dumbass lie that Fox dishes out? Huckabee has not mentioned just once but many times about the influence Obama’s father and Kenyan grandfather has on him when they didn’t really have much part in raising him, especially his Kenyan grandfather. Obama was mostly raised by his WHITE, yes I said WHITE grandparents in Hawaii. Which his WHITE grandfather was a WWII veteran. How come Huckbee never says a word about them?

see the thing is the republicans can only really point to one thing in Obama’s entire presidency as being socialist or evil or detrimintal in their minds, ie: healthcare. So they go back and they have dig real deep in order to find something, they go all the way back to his dad and start spouting on about his views. blah, blah, I don’t care about what his grandmother acted like, I don’t care about that one time he sat next to someone bad, let me know when you get something substantial.

the real john t said:
Which his WHITE grandfather was a WWII veteran. How come Huckbee never says a word about them?

It doesn’t fit the un-American meme that they are trying to pass off.

turk281 said:
Tommy’s actually one of my favorite journalists on the left. That’s why this secret “dogwhistle” crap disappoints me.

I used to think that too. Then I started reading him. Ed Morrisey really likes him for some reason, as does Malkin. I don’t get it. Yes, he’ll state the utterly obvious every once in a while, but mostly he’s an unabashed spinmeister, and he’s not all that good at it.

felixw said:
How absurd that the hosts on MSNBC are going after Mike Huckabee on this issue. Huckabee goes out of his way to avoid hate speech and mud-slinging, and almost always takes the high road when talking about other politicians. He focuses on the issues, and leaves the personal attacks to others. When the MSNBC hosts live up to Huckabee’s standard, then they have some moral authority for their criticism. When MSNBC gives up its own relentless obsession with skin color, they will have some credibility here. But given this networks 24/7 smear-fest and incessant race-card playing, they look pathetic trying to critique the Governor.

Lesson: ill-considered pandering to the baser instincts of your target audience can cause irreparable damage to your reputation as an ethical politician. Outside of a small core constituency, this is a big negative for Huckabee.

Why does Harry Reid like Obama? Because he’s “light-skinned” with “no Negro dialect”. Hey, at least he’s honest.

Call_Me_Ishmael said:
Lesson: ill-considered pandering to the baser instincts of your target audience can cause irreparable damage to your reputation as an ethical politician. Outside of a small core constituency, this is a big negative for Huckabee.

he certainly lost the mormon vote and thus beck’s.

Call_Me_Ishmael said:
Lesson: ill-considered pandering to the baser instincts of your target audience can cause irreparable damage to your reputation as an ethical politician. Outside of a small core constituency, this is a big negative for Huckabee.

Sadly, I agree with your assessment. He’s fortunate that he’s not near a primary or general election today.

the real john t said:
Why should they prove anything to you when you sit there lapping up every dumbass lie that Fox dishes out? Huckabee has not mentioned just once but many times about the influence Obama’s father and Kenyan grandfather has on him when they didn’t really have much part in raising him, especially his Kenyan grandfather. Obama was mostly raised by his WHITE, yes I said WHITE grandparents in Hawaii. Which his WHITE grandfather was a WWII veteran. How come Huckbee never says a word about them?

What does race have to do with anything, john t?

Can you not have policies that are un-American without race being thrown about? Or are you some sort of seer into peoples minds?

I’m a conservative that thinks the patriot act is un-American.

The fact that race enters your mind first says more about you.

turk281 said:
I’m gonna post this again, sorry:

Oh for christsake. Please, liberals, tell me that you’re not eating up this faux outrage that people like Lawrence continue to dish out.

I need to know that not all Libs are politically correct jag offs deconstructing every sentence looking for racist innuendo.

Hello?

OK, we get it.

You don’t do nuance.

the real john t said:
Huckabee has not mentioned just once but many times about the influence Obama’s father and Kenyan grandfather has on him when they didn’t really have much part in raising him, especially his Kenyan grandfather.

You’re right, john. I think Huckabee should talk about the guy who thought that Frank Marshall Davis would be a good influence on his grandson. He could just ask Beck and get all the material he needs to fill an hour.

Call_Me_Ishmael said:
OK, we get it.

You don’t do nuance.

I don’t do bullshit.

turk281 said:
What does race have to do with anything, john t? Can you not have policies that are un-American without race being thrown about? Or are you some sort of seer into peoples minds? I’m a conservative that thinks the patriot act is un-American. The fact that race enters your mind first says more about you.

My question is why do they focus on his family so much? What’s his parentage have to do with anything he’s done? They’re not focusing on policy they’re focusing on how different he is from everybody else. Does that not sound like biggotry to you or pandering to one’s base?

Tommy Christopher said:
I’m also not accusing Huckabee of racism.

Exactly. Huckabee is pandering to passive racists. I’m not sure what is worse.

turk281 said:
I’m a conservative that thinks the patriot act is un-American.

YOU’RE ONE OF THOSE KOCH PEOPLE!!!! AIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

Why do you want to kill Wisconsin’s teachers?

Nationman said:
My question is why do they focus on his family so much? What’s his parentage have to do with anything he’s done? They’re not focusing on policy they’re focusing on how different he is from everybody else. Does that not sound like biggotry to you or pandering to one’s base?

*Does that not sound like biggotry to you AND pandering to one’s base?

Pablo said:
I don’t do bullshit.

Oh yes.

You do.

Nationman said:
My question is why do they focus on his family so much? What’s his parentage have to do with anything he’s done? They’re not focusing on policy they’re focusing on how different he is from everybody else. Does that not sound like biggotry to you or pandering to one’s base?

No Nationman, it sounds like politics.

turk281 said:
No Nationman, it sounds like politics.

Uh huh. so you’re agreeing that Obama’s backround has nothing to do with any intellectual debate and is just crumbs for the extremes of his party?

Pablo said:
YOU’RE ONE OF THOSE KOCH PEOPLE!!!! AIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

Why do you want to kill Wisconsin’s teachers?

Haha. I’m one of those evil libertarian conservatives!

turk281 said:
Is that a joke Tommy?

lonestar77 said:
Grow up, Tommy. Stop playing your stupid little word games. Surely your maturity didn’t peak at the age of twelve.

No game, no joke. Race-baiting isn’t the same as being racist. Most race-baiters are actually conscious of the feebleness of the racist mind, and the ease with which it can be stimulated.

I actually like Huckabee, and I don’t think he’s a racist, but he is succumbing to dog-whistle politics because, like many who play this game, he believes he has enough deniability to cover himself. He may be right, because huge numbers of otherwise good white people are heavily invested in denying racism.

Pablo said:
YOU’RE ONE OF THOSE KOCH PEOPLE!!!! AIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! Why do you want to kill Wisconsin’s teachers?

great unconfirmed story you got there, I’ll wait to hear the aclu’s take on this.

Call_Me_Ishmael said:
Oh yes.

You do.

Feel free to quote me.

Nationman said:
Uh huh. so you’re agreeing that Obama’s backround has nothing to do with any intellectual debate and is just crumbs for the extremes of his party?

Look man, it has as much to do with it as Bush’s spoiled upbringing did. Background can shape a person’s outlook on life. It’s true.

It’s neither unfair, nor racist to ask if Obama’s father or mothers radical leftist politics had an effect in shaping his worldview. Might not be true, but fair to ask.

Tommy Christopher said:
Most race-baiters are actually conscious of the feebleness of the racist mind, and the ease with which it can be stimulated.

Kneel at the altar of what passes for The Master.

turk281 said:
The fact that race enters your mind first says more about you.

Well open your damn eyes. Why does Huckabee keep wanting to talk about Obama’s Kenya family that he really never met until he was in his 20′s and why doesn’t Huckabee talk about Obama’s American family which is white? I call them like I see them. You can deny all you want to.

Nationman said:
great unconfirmed story you got there, I’ll wait to hear the aclu’s take on this.

They help fund the CATO institute Nationman.

CATO was arguing against the Iraq War from the start, for gay marriage when Clinton signed DADT, and still trying to legalize marijuana and prostitution.

Maybe you ought not listen to people trying to scare you.

cato.org

turk281 said:
Look man, it has as much to do with it as Bush’s spoiled upbringing did. Background can shape a person’s outlook on life. It’s true. It’s neither unfair, nor racist to ask if Obama’s father or mothers radical leftist politics had an effect in shaping his worldview. Might not be true, but fair to ask.

Of course that’s the exact same question john kerry asked when he was running against bush. Not, “is this war wrong?” or “are these tax cuts good for our country?” but where bush grew up. I disagreed of attacking bush because of his connections and I disagree with the it now when it’s about obama. It’s a fallacious argument and honestly it’s a tired one that only appeals to wackos. Get to the parts on policy then maybe we can talk.

Nationman said:
great unconfirmed story you got there, I’ll wait to hear the aclu’s take on this.

David Koch (see Koch family) joined with George Soros, the Ford Foundation, and the Rockefeller Foundation to each give the American Civil Liberties Union $10 million to fight the PATRIOT Act [1]. Reasonable people can disagree on the PATRIOT Act

http://billionaires.forbes.com/article/0ciReYJ7f0g4h?q=billionaire+OR+billionaires+OR+billionaire%27s

the real john t said:
Why does Huckabee keep wanting to talk about Obama’s Kenya family that he really never met until he was in his 20’s and why doesn’t Huckabee talk about Obama’s American family which is white?

You’ve stuck on something meaty there, john. Huckabee should talk a whole lot more about Obama’s white family and the red diapers they dressed him in. Hell, maybe he should just read Dreams From My Father aloud.

Pablo said:
You’ve stuck on something meaty there, john. Huckabee should talk a whole lot more about Obama’s white family and the red diapers they dressed him in. Hell, maybe he should just read Dreams From My Father aloud.

why is it not ok to talk about sarah palin’s family affairs again?

Nationman said:
why is it not ok to talk about sarah palin’s family affairs again?

What major politician and presidential hopeful is doing that again?

BFD said:
What major politician and presidential hopeful is doing that again?

exactly.

Tommy Christopher said:
He may be right, because huge numbers of otherwise good white people are heavily invested in denying racism.

And huge numbers of otherwise good white liberals are heavily invested in crying wolf, err, racism.

lonestar77 said:
And huge numbers of otherwise good white liberals are heavily invested in crying wolf, err, racism.

hey wait, is racism gone for ever now? Thank God that was awful stuff.

Nationman said:
why is it not ok to talk about sarah palin’s family affairs again?

Who said it wasn’t?

Pablo said:
Who said it wasn’t?

just about every conservative commentator I can think of actually.

Tommy Christopher said:
I’m also not accusing Huckabee of racism.

No…you’re just guilty of doing the same thing you accuse Huckabee of doing, that’s all.

But good job attacking Obama’s political foes for him and trying to tear them down. Can’t wait until election season starts to see what depths you lower yourself to on Obama’s behalf.

OxyCon said:
No…you’re just guilty of doing the same thing you accuse Huckabee of doing, that’s all. But good job attacking Obama’s political foes for him and trying to tear them down. Can’t wait until election season starts to see what depths you lower yourself to on Obama’s behalf.

wait you mean there are opinion comentators out there to? That openly express their views? there can’t be anything like that on foxnews, not at all.

Nationman said:
wait you mean there are opinion comentators out there to? That openly express their views? there can’t be anything like that on foxnews, not at all.

I haven’t heard many throw around the “R” word like it was a hot potato.

It’s a tried and tested method, and it helps to distract from the crappy job being done by the administration.

It’s also a cheap trick employed by white liberals whose only diversity comes from a Obama 08 sticker on their Prius.

” Matthews is rightly skeptical of Huckabee’s explanation that he meant to say “Indonesia” on Monday during Bryan Fischer’s radio show, when he said “Kenya” several times, and Boehlert correctly points out the absurdity of the claim, given the references to Kenyan history that bear no relationship to Indonesia. Huckabee didn’t misspeak. ”

That’s your evidence Columbo ?

Huck said Kenya several times and their history is different than Indonesia’s ?

Have you ever confused one American city for another that are completely different ? I do it every football season when talking smack in my fantasy league. Sometimes numerous times.
So he confused two foreign countries. Obama grew up in Indonesia but whether libs like it or not , he has ties to Kenya. His father and grandfather were born there.

And what a coincidence. Huck mentioned those very two people in that interview.

I am not saying you are wrong. But it could very well be what Huck said it was. He misspoke.
It could also have been a freudian slip. But libs claiming they know for sure it was on purpose is a joke.

turk281 said:
I haven’t heard many throw around the “R” word like it was a hot potato. It’s a tried and tested method, and it helps to distract from the crappy job being done by the administration. It’s also a cheap trick employed by white liberals whose only diversity comes from a Obama 08 sticker on their Prius.

again, why is a potential presidential candidate talking about how obama attended a muslim school in indonesia (he attended an international school), repeatedly *mistakenly* saying he grew up in kenya, (what do indonesia and kenya have to do with each other, they don’t even sound a like) if not to pander to a base that is afraid of a leader of a different ethnic backround than them. Why no substance huckabee?

sponge bob said:
” Matthews is rightly skeptical of Huckabee’s explanation that he meant to say “Indonesia” on Monday during Bryan Fischer’s radio show, when he said “Kenya” several times, and Boehlert correctly points out the absurdity of the claim, given the references to Kenyan history that bear no relationship to Indonesia. Huckabee didn’t misspeak. ” That’s your evidence Columbo ? Huck said Kenya several times and their history is different than Indonesia’s ? Have you ever confused one American city for another that are completely different ? I do it every football season when talking smack in my fantasy league. Sometimes numerous times.So he confused two foreign countries. Obama grew up in Indonesia but whether libs like it or not , he has ties to Kenya. His father and grandfather were born there. And what a coincidence. Huck mentioned those very two people in that interview. I am not saying you are wrong. But it could very well be what Huck said it was. He misspoke.It could also have been a freudian slip. But libs claiming they know for sure it was on purpose is a joke.

Two american cities are related by the fact they are in America. what do kenya and indonesia have to do with each other?

sponge bob said:
Have you ever confused one American city for another that are completely different ?

I don’t think you listened to Huckabee. He referenced Kenya twice, and spoke about the Mau Mau Revolution, which did not occur in Indonesia, but in Kenya. He didn’t misspeak.

sponge bob said:
But libs claiming they know for sure it was on purpose is a joke.

“Vote Mike Huckabee: The Accidental Racist”

Nationman said:
again, why is a potential presidential candidate talking about how obama attended a muslim school in indonesia (he attended an international school), repeatedly *mistakenly* saying he grew up in kenya, (what do indonesia and kenya have to do with each other, they don’t even sound a like) if not to pander to a base that is afraid of a leader of a different ethnic backround than them. Why no substance huckabee?

Nationman, I don’t know. I’m not even a particular fan of Huckabee.

But it is wrong to assume racism.

Tommy Christopher said:
I don’t think you listened to Huckabee. He referenced Kenya twice, and spoke about the Mau Mau Revolution, which did not occur in Indonesia, but in Kenya. He didn’t misspeak.

Exactly, even though he might have confused two country names he didn’t get THE HISTORY wrong and it was clearly Kenyan history.

It’s like someone saying “You are no better than a Portuguese Nazi”.

Even though the country is wrongly identified it doesn’t make the message any less outrageous.
Forget the “Kenya” part, Huckabee still identified Obama as growing up sympathetic to the Mau Mau uprising.
That is not misspeaking.

Since Tommy has established that he is uniquely qualified to go inside someone’s head and determine whether or not they are using racial dogwhistles in order to get votes, perhaps he can write an entire article about this dogwhistling that Obama was guilty of doing, which for some reason the media never bothered to report on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU (first 40 seconds is the pertinent part)

Of course, I’d lay odds on Tommy either ignoring this, or glossing over and defending it.

turk281 said:
Nationman, I don’t know. I’m not even a particular fan of Huckabee. But it is wrong to assume racism.

call it pandering to biggotry. It was a tactic used by Nixon in order to get elected. He repeatedly talked about states rights and how they were so important and how the civil rights issue should be dealt with amongst the state governments. You couldn’t call it racist but it certainly pandered to those groups.

Nationman said:
call it pandering to biggotry. It was a tactic used by Nixon in order to get elected. He repeatedly talked about states rights and how they were so important and how the civil rights issue should be dealt with amongst the state governments. You couldn’t call it racist but it certainly pandered to those groups.

He repeatedly tried to get the vote of Southern Demokkkcrats. You know the party of Robert Byrd, Al Gore Sr.

Two can play at the tit for tat game. To compare what Huckabee said to the Southern Strategy is ridiculous.

More of the same with Tommy, writing in semantics and word games so he can snake out of every criticism of his articles .. There is a word for that : COWARD

turk281 said:
Two can play at the tit for tat game.

Yes they can. You can play it from decades ago and we can play it in real time.

According to RWers, Obama said 57 states during a tiresome campaign and they scream about Obama not knowing how many states there are in the US. Yet Huckabee talks about Obama growing up in Kenya and the Mau Mau Revolution not once but a few times and the RWers say he just “mispoke” so everyone should just forget about it.

turk281 said:
He repeatedly tried to get the vote of Southern Demokkkcrats. You know the party of Robert Byrd, Al Gore Sr. Two can play at the tit for tat game. To compare what Huckabee said to the Southern Strategy is ridiculous.

it honestly seems very similar to me. The birthers are an out there movement who will always come out strong for a candidate that supports them and they fiercely believe in their ideals. Nixon pandered to another extreme group in order to gain their favor aka the conservative southern democrats. It’s the same old call to arms in coded message, Rally the base.

murf said:
More of the same with Tommy, writing in semantics and word games so he can snake out of every criticism of his articles .. There is a word for that : COWARD

Well, what do you expect? He’s a big Obama fan after all and Obama is the master!
Oops, I said “master”, this is proof that I’m a racist. I’m so sorry for appearing White…why do I feel increasingly guilty all of the sudden? I better vote for Obama in 2012 to make up for that slip up.

murf said:
There is a word for that : COWARD

I wouldn’t even bring that word up if I were you. You are the true meaning of it.

BFD said:
Yes they can. You can play it from decades ago and we can play it in real time.

Sure. I’m from Philly. Ever been there?

We haven’t elected a Republican Mayor since 1952. How do you think minorities have been doing here.

Actions speak louder than words, buddy. Fact is Democrats have been toxic to African Americans all across the US for years.

the real john t brown in ohio said:
I wouldn’t even bring that word up if I were you. You are the true meaning of it.

How does it feel to be the dumbest man in every room you enter ?

murf said:
More of the same with Tommy, writing in semantics and word games so he can snake out of every criticism of his articles .. There is a word for that : COWARD

thanks for your contribution, now go draw with crayons with the rest of your kindergarten class. .

Nationman said:
thanks for your contribution, now go draw with crayons with the rest of your kindergarten class. .

Jesse Jackson is calling he needs his shoes shined.

murf said:
Jesse Jackson is calling he needs his shoes shined.

up he called back and said that’s your job. Wouldn’t wanna take food off your plate.

“Somebody should cut off his nuts.”

murf said:
How does it feel to be the dumbest man in every room you enter ?

Oh look, murf’s grumpy. The local bar threw him out early tonight.

murf said:
Jesse Jackson is calling he needs his shoes shined.

Ughhh he was just in WI not too long ago. Where does he get his funding?

Wow!
There’s well over 36,000 madrassas in Indonesia with 5.5 million students!
http://schools.nashua.edu/myclass/fenlonm/block1/Lists/DueDates/Attachments/10/madrassah-history.pdf

Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee says that President Barack Obama has a “different world view” that was “molded out of a very different experience” because “most of us grew up going to boy scout meetings, and, you know, our communities were filled with rotary clubs, not madrassas.”

OxyCon said:
Wow!
There’s well over 36,000 madrassas in Indonesia with 5.5 million students!
http://schools.nashua.edu/myclass/fenlonm/block1/Lists/DueDates/Attachments/10/madrassah-history.pdf

But but….Chris says that O plays basketball so all is well in the world.

OxyCon said:
Wow!There’s well over 36,000 madrassas in Indonesia with 5.5 million students!http://schools.nashua.edu/myclass/fenlonm/block1/Lists/DueDates/Attachments/10/madrassah-history.pdf

did the mau mau revolution take place there to?

OxyCon said:
Wow!
There’s well over 36,000 madrassas in Indonesia with 5.5 million students!
http://schools.nashua.edu/myclass/fenlonm/block1/Lists/DueDates/Attachments/10/madrassah-history.pdf

How many in Hawaii?

OxyCon said:
Wow!
There’s well over 36,000 madrassas in Indonesia with 5.5 million students!
http://schools.nashua.edu/myclass/fenlonm/block1/Lists/DueDates/Attachments/10/madrassah-history.pdf

Uh oh. Please, no facts here.

We don’t want them to get in the way of a good ol’ racism narrative.

Can’t you hear the secret “dogwhistle” OxyCon? It’s almost as clear as Scott Brown’s racist pick- up truck!

WCinWI said:
Ughhh he was just in WI not too long ago. Where does he get his funding?

Libya.

You're Fuggin Dead said:
Libya.

And when they pass the plate on Sundays he takes his “cut.”

OxyCon said:
Wow!
There’s well over 36,000 madrassas in Indonesia with 5.5 million students!
http://schools.nashua.edu/myclass/fenlonm/block1/Lists/DueDates/Attachments/10/madrassah-history.pdf

Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة‎, madrasah pl. مدارس, madāris) is the Arabic word (of Semitic origin; viz Hebrew midrash) for any type of educational institution, whether secular or religious

Former senior AIPAC staffer Steve Rosen says he attempted in 1984 to disseminate information linking Libyan funders to the Rev. Jesse Jackson’s presidential campaign.

Rosen told reporters Thursday that Jackson was the candidate mentioned in documents he filed this week in his defamation lawsuit against the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

In the filing, Rosen attempts to prove that AIPAC defamed him when its spokesman, Patrick Dorton, said repeatedly that Rosen was fired for not comporting with AIPAC’s standards in the wake of FBI allegations that he and another AIPAC staffer handled classified information.

Rosen refers to a 1984 incident in which he claims to have handled classified information regarding allegations that Libya’s U.N. delegation funded a presidential candidate.

You're Fuggin Dead said:
And when they pass the plate on Sundays he takes his “cut.”

just like reagan passed that money over to the taliban.

Call_Me_Ishmael said:
How many in Hawaii?

You’re getting your countries mixed up you racist =P

btw, Hawaii is Black Panther/Commie/child molester Frank Marshall Davis territory…or as Obama likes to call him “Uncle Frank”. I wonder how many Rotary meetings Uncle Frank went to.

You're Fuggin Dead said:
Former senior AIPAC staffer Steve Rosen says he attempted in 1984 to disseminate information linking Libyan funders to the Rev. Jesse Jackson’s presidential campaign. Rosen told reporters Thursday that Jackson was the candidate mentioned in documents he filed this week in his defamation lawsuit against the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. In the filing, Rosen attempts to prove that AIPAC defamed him when its spokesman, Patrick Dorton, said repeatedly that Rosen was fired for not comporting with AIPAC’s standards in the wake of FBI allegations that he and another AIPAC staffer handled classified information. Rosen refers to a 1984 incident in which he claims to have handled classified information regarding allegations that Libya’s U.N. delegation funded a presidential candidate.

good change of subject, especially when you know the debates shifted against your opinion.

OxyCon said:
Wow!
There’s well over 36,000 madrassas in Indonesia with 5.5 million students!

Why don’t you prove Obama attended one?

OxyCon said:
You’re getting your countries mixed up you racist =P btw, Hawaii is Black Panther/Commie/child molester Frank Marshall Davis territory…or as Obama likes to call him “Uncle Frank”. I wonder how many Rotary meetings Uncle Frank went to.

just like bush’s old oil buddies who pushed him into the iraq war, right?

nutsofast said:
Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة‎, madrasah pl. مدارس, madāris) is the Arabic word (of Semitic origin; viz Hebrew midrash) for any type of educational institution, whether secular or religious

From the same link I provided (search the document using “indo” in the search field)

Madrassas in Indonesia
There are two types of Islamic schools in Indonesia: “Madrassas” and “Pesantrens” or
“Pondok” meaning the bamboo hut. The former is an Islamic day school while the latter
is an Islamic boarding school.

the real john t said:
Why don’t you prove Obama attended one?

Because obama spent millions hiding his past. That’s real normal…

Call_Me_Ishmael said:
How many in Hawaii?

1 that I can find so far.

Nationman said:
just like bush’s old oil buddies who pushed him into the iraq war, right?

Did someone mention changing the subject? ROFL!

You're Fuggin Dead said:
Because obama spent millions hiding his past. That’s real normal…

see when you say things that are either off the wall ridiculous or just plain weird, it helps if you back your statements up some how. like this for instance.

the real john t said:
Why don’t you prove Obama attended one?

I didn’t say Obama did attend one. He did most definitely attend an Islamic school and also a Catholic school. The numbers I posted concern Huckabee’s quote that Obama grew up surrounded by madrassas.

Nationman said:
just like bush’s old oil buddies who pushed him into the iraq war, right?

Who Clintons ex national security team that said there was WMD or the Dems who overwhelmingly voted for the war?

If they had listened to the libertarian Koch brothers, perhaps we wouldn’t be in Iraq.

turk281 said:
Who Clintons ex national security team that said there was WMD or the Dems who overwhelmingly voted for the war? If they had listened to the libertarian Koch brothers, perhaps we wouldn’t be in Iraq.

that’s funny, I don’t remember clinton ever invading Iraq. didn’t that bush guy do it? and didn’t he mislead everyone including the american public about his reasons for going there?

Nationman said:
did the mau mau revolution take place there to?

Obviously not, but there’s an awful lot of Christians getting their heads chopped off in Indonesia these days along with Churches being lit on fire while the worshipers are inside.

The great preponderance of substantiated evidence indicates Obama attended a public school that taught a small amount of mainstream Islam. The news reports say that Obama’s registration form indicates his religion was Muslim, but there are errors on the forms and it seems reasonable to assume that he was registered as Muslim simply because his stepfather was Muslim.

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/dec/20/chain-email/obama-attended-an-indonesian-public-school/

This lends to the fact that there are tons of questions. Does anyone know how it works with the Muslim faith? I thought that if you were born into it, by proxy, you were also Muslim?

OxyCon said:
I didn’t say Obama did attend one. He did most definitely attend an Islamic school and also a Catholic school. The numbers I posted concern Huckabee’s quote that Obama grew up surrounded by madrassas.

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-01-22/politics/obama.madrassa_1_islamic-school-madrassa-muslim-school?_s=PM:POLITICS

Nationman said:
just like bush’s old oil buddies who pushed him into the iraq war, right?

BTW, how’s that oil conspiracy working out? 8 years later, who stole all the oil?

Are they hiding it? I mean, someone has to steal some oil.

I hope Obama steals it quite frankly. It would be nice to have some cheaper gas.

OxyCon said:
Obviously not, but there’s an awful lot of Christians getting their heads chopped off in Indonesia these days along with Churches being lit on fire while the worshipers are inside.

you’re right, it took place in kenya. Now how could mr. huckabee mix that up?

I am leaning towards the belief that Obama is an agnostic person. I don’t know how you could come from a Muslim upbringing that including an atheist to an anti-American for 20 years and then suddenly be a “normal” churchgoer.

I personally don’t care what he is, but I don’t get why he’s not just more honest about it.

WCinWI said:
I am leaning towards the belief that Obama is an agnostic person. I don’t know how you could come from a Muslim upbringing that including an atheist to an anti-American for 20 years and then suddenly be a “normal” churchgoer.

I personally don’t care what he is, but I don’t get why he’s not just more honest about it.

*includes not including :)

turk281 said:
BTW, how’s that oil conspiracy working out? 8 years later, who stole all the oil? Are they hiding it? I mean, someone has to steal some oil. I hope Obama steals it quite frankly. It would be nice to have some cheaper gas.

I offered it up as a comparative conspiracy. as I have said before in this thread, I don’t believe in that guilt by association nonsense.

Olby Sucks said:
Because obama spent millions hiding his past. That’s real normal…

Why don’t you prove that also, and why do you use so many sockpuppets?

WCinWI said:
I am leaning towards the belief that Obama is an agnostic person. I don’t know how you could come from a Muslim upbringing that including an atheist to an anti-American for 20 years and then suddenly be a “normal” churchgoer. I personally don’t care what he is, but I don’t get why he’s not just more honest about it.

that’s right you’re in a position to make a judgement about his spiritual beliefs because you’ve talked with him in person and all.

WCinWI said:
I am leaning towards the belief that Obama is an agnostic person. I don’t know how you could come from a Muslim upbringing that including an atheist to an anti-American for 20 years and then suddenly be a “normal” churchgoer. I personally don’t care what he is, but I don’t get why he’s not just more honest about it.

also, isn’t the power of jesus christ supposed to change you or something like that?

Which is most likely;
(a) OBAMA is hiding documents that are innocuous?
(b) OBAMA is hiding documents that are damaging?

What we know with certainty is that OBAMA is not practicing the virtue of full disclosure. “ The biggest question, and the biggest reason for asking more questions, is the fact Obama has enlisted law firms across the nation to battle every attempt to access, among other documents, his birth, schooling, immigration or passport records.

Olby Sucks said:
Which is most likely;
(a) OBAMA is hiding documents that are innocuous?
(b) OBAMA is hiding documents that are damaging?

You forgot…

(c) OBAMA is hiding documents so that he can play golf more often?

Olby Sucks said:
Which is most likely;(a) OBAMA is hiding documents that are innocuous?(b) OBAMA is hiding documents that are damaging?

which is more likely, that you can’t provide a single shred of evidence or that you’re a moron? both are pretty damn likely.

Nationman said:
you’re right, it took place in kenya. Now how could mr. huckabee mix that up?

Oh, he didn’t mix it up. He said it on purpose because he wants all of the 300 people in Stormfront to vote for him while pissing off the 30% minority vote.

Olby Sucks said:
What we know with certainty is that OBAMA is not practicing the virtue of full disclosure. “ The biggest question, and the biggest reason for asking more questions, is the fact Obama has enlisted law firms across the nation to battle every attempt to access, among other documents, his birth, schooling, immigration or passport records.

ahh of course just like you’re nto providing full disclosure by using sock puppets?

Olby Sucks said:
What we know with certainty is that OBAMA is not practicing the virtue of full disclosure. “ The biggest question, and the biggest reason for asking more questions, is the fact Obama has enlisted law firms across the nation to battle every attempt to access, among other documents, his birth, schooling, immigration or passport records.

Did people try to get access with the FOIA?

OxyCon said:
Oh, he didn’t mix it up. He said it on purpose because he wants all of the 300 people in Stormfront to vote for him while pissing off the 30% minority vote.

That was the gist of nixon’s southern strategy, worked pretty well for him.

Olby Sucks said:
Which is most likely;

Which is more likely:

(a) Olby Sucks is mentally ill?

(b) Olby Sucks is just a good reason why people shouldn’t home school their kids?

Laws of the Territory of Hawaii ACT 96 To Provide For The Issuance Of Certificates Of Hawaiian Birth was in effect from 1911 until 1972 and allowed someone who was born outside the Hawaiian Islands to be registered as though he were born in Hawaii. Under that law, someone simply would have presented herself to the Hawaiian authorities and declared that the child was born in Hawaii. The person could have sworn under oath and presented witnesses and other evidence. If the authorities accepted it, that was the end of it. All a person had to do was file a false statement and Hawaii took them at their word.

One could not just say “My kid was born in Des Moines but I want him to have a Hawaiian birth record”. But if you lied no investigation was conducted to validate your claim and the Hawaiian birth record was issued no questions asked.

Olby Sucks said:
Provide For The Issuance Of Certificates Of Hawaiian Birth was in effect from 1911 until 1972 and allowed someone who was born outside the Hawaiian Islands to be registered as though he were born in Hawaii. Under that law, someone simply would have presented herself to the Hawaiian authorities and declared that the child was born in Hawaii. The person could have sworn under oath and presented witnesses and other evidence. If the authorities accepted it, that was the end of it. All a person had to do was file a false statement and Hawaii took them at their word.

source?

OxyCon said:
Oh, he didn’t mix it up. He said it on purpose because he wants all of the 300 people in Stormfront to vote for him while pissing off the 30% minority vote.

LOL! Zing!

WCinWI said:

This lends to the fact that there are tons of questions. Does anyone know how it works with the Muslim faith? I thought that if you were born into it, by proxy, you were also Muslim?

Islam keeps it real simple. If your father was Muslim, you’re a Muslim. But in Western society, you are free (for the time being) to choose what your beliefs are.

Olby Sucks said:
Laws of the Territory of Hawaii ACT 96

http://books.google.com/books?id=Lgw4AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA117&lpg=PA117&dq=Laws+of+the+Territory+of+Hawaii+ACT+96&source=bl&ots=Ln6Gczpdzv&sig=NQxGLFp2KH5S73QDARhBAHOUQ80&hl=en&ei=XIlwTYj8NMGblgfE_71W&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Laws%20of%20the%20Territory%20of%20Hawaii%20ACT%2096&f=false never mind, here it is. Let’s see, act 96 deals with fees for public office. Looks like you’re indeed a moron.

Nationman said:
source?

http://books.google.com/books?id=0PjvG3BkcBAC&pg=PA127&lpg=PA127&dq=ACT+96.+AN+ACT+To+Provide+For+The+Issuance+Of+Certificates+Of+Hawaiian+Birth&source=bl&ots=u1k4r9pMnA&sig=K_5dxGCGShV9jNlFmnz1cenke4s&hl=en&ei=PNDrSeiVKp_htgeen9zUBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct#v=onepage&q=ACT%2096.%20AN%20ACT%20To%20Provide%20For%20The%20Issuance%20Of%20Certificates%20Of%20Hawaiian%20Birth&f=false

Nationman said:
That was the gist of nixon’s southern strategy, worked pretty well for him.

Yeah…43 years ago, a year after the civil rights era and race riots swept the country.

Nationman said:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Lgw4AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA117&lpg=PA117&dq=Laws+of+the+Territory+of+Hawaii+ACT+96&source=bl&ots=Ln6Gczpdzv&sig=NQxGLFp2KH5S73QDARhBAHOUQ80&hl=en&ei=XIlwTYj8NMGblgfE_71W&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Laws%20of%20the%20Territory%20of%20Hawaii%20ACT%2096&f=false never mind, here it is. Let’s see, act 96 deals with fees for public office. Looks like you’re indeed a moron.

Looks like you’re intoxicated or can’t read.

It says you can pay 5 bucks and be a “citizen.” No questions asked!

Here is the radical RW site where Olby is getting all his misinformation from.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/feedback/16-09-2010/114949-obama_fans_OMG-0/

Olby Sucks said:
http://books.google.com/books?id=0PjvG3BkcBAC&pg=PA127&lpg=PA127&dq=ACT+96.+AN+ACT+To+Provide+For+The+Issuance+Of+Certificates+Of+Hawaiian+Birth&source=bl&ots=u1k4r9pMnA&sig=K_5dxGCGShV9jNlFmnz1cenke4s&hl=en&ei=PNDrSeiVKp_htgeen9zUBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct#v=onepage&q=ACT%2096.%20AN%20ACT%20To%20Provide%20For%20The%20Issuance%20Of%20Certificates%20Of%20Hawaiian%20Birth&f=false

so waht you’re saying is he doesn’t have his birthcertificate, because he got one without being born there?

OxyCon said:
Yeah…43 years ago, a year after the civil rights era and race riots swept the country.

and look how well it’s served your party for those years.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

Olby Sucks said:
It says you can pay 5 bucks and be a “citizen.” No questions asked!

isn’t that kind of against your entire conspiracy theory? isn’t your message that he doesn’t have a birthcertificate at all?

Olby Sucks said:
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

thanks for bringing us to your weirdo blog but it doesn’t really help your case.

Nationman said:
and look how well it’s served your party for those years.

First off, I was a Democrat until after the 2008 Democrat primary for my entire adult life. Now I’m a independent. And secondly, I’m pretty sure that Obama’s election pretty much renders racist politics dead in America, except for the Democrat primaries, where Obama used racial dogwhistles to perfection…in fact too well. He over shot the target and caused many Blacks to hate the Clintons.

Nationman said:
thanks for bringing us to your weirdo blog but it doesn’t really help your case.

You’re as predictable as snow in The Sierras.

Nationman says:

Somebody oughtta take you in and try to make you love, again…

Olby Sucks said:
Somebody oughtta take you in and try to make you love, again…

Hey, if you’re hung like a horse Olby will be glad to do that.

Olby Sucks said:
It says you can pay 5 bucks and be a “citizen.” No questions asked!

Now show us how they got 2 different newspapers to publish his birth.

Nationman said:
thanks for bringing us to your weirdo blog but it doesn’t really help your case.

Beat me to it..

Huckabee may jump into the race late after a few GOP/Tea Party candidates fall on their face, because he is tossing the Tea Party a few biscuits. He is going below street level where Rush lives and he getting into the sewer. He has pulled off that Christian Family Value veneer and is swimming in the sewer. Next stop on the Tea Party Express Druggie Limbaugh’s sewer hangout.

Is there something really nasty in American water? Cause you all sound like lunatics.

turk281 said:
Is that a joke Tommy?

“Matthews and company miss two key aspects of Huckabee’s dogwhistling, perhaps giving him some benefit of the doubt that they were unintentional. The first is that the term “mau mau” also doubles as a racial slur. You can look it up, but I don’t want to send traffic to any white supremacist websites.”

It’s in the title of your piece, Tommy.

“Mike Huckabee not just race baiting he’s race chumming”

And Tommy didn’t call Republicans clowns and he didn’t call Americans idiots either.

So now “MauMau” is the new “macaca”?

I must say,I’m really enjoying the media going berserk on the whole Obama birther issue. I have never seen them work overtime to try to correct their own record, much less a President’s. Imagine, had Tommy et al gone after all the idiots in the democrat party who made a gazillion false statements about Palin in order to present a false impression of her….just imagine if the lefty loons in the meida (TommY?, Wolf? et al?) had actually corrected the false statements made on their air and their web sites regarding Palin.

Imagine Tommy, Wolf, et al attacking all those who claimed that President Bush lied about WMD, and worked overtime to correct the record there? (As in Clinton, et al claimed WMD in Iraq long before Bush was elected). Just imagine, if these folks in the media were truth seekers all the time, rather than just some of the time.

Perhaps then, they could make a case, but given the clear double standard, the clear attempts to undermine all things republican/conservative and then work over time to clear the air about hehimselftheone

makes the media look really stupid and one-sided. It is enough to make one laugh out loud.

Bwahahaha

(accidentally hit post before I finished the sentence above).

Let me get this straight, when the racist leader of the New Black Panthers talks about crackers and killing babies that’s not racism Tommy? I remember you sat down with that bigot and interviewed him, and went about basically giving him an excuse to say whatever he says.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/exclusive-full-interview-new-black-panther-party-chairman-malik-zulu-shabazz/

Tommy, you made the claim back then that:

“All of this makes the NBPP a perfect bogeyman for those who would try to stoke fear of a black President in mainstream Americans, a tactic that has been tried before, and failed. During the 2008 presidential campaign, opponents of then-Senator Barack Obama repeatedly tried to conflate him with the NBPP by virtue of a web page in an open Barack Obama forum, one that was subsequently removed.”

So would you now say that this is the perfect “bogeyman” for those that want to stir the “Republican’s are racist” card? What I find interesting is how back when you interviewed the NBPP rep you did everything to excuse his hate and the actions of his group. Yet here you are clearly race baiting.

I’m not a racist, but I sure as hell don’t have to buddie up with black racist to prove so as some people here do. What I always find rather interesting is how white liberals feel some sort of guilt. A guilt I assume comes from somewhere deep down inside them, possibly subconscious. They try to hide their own racist feelings that they do everything they can to cover up for them.

Time to turn the tables:

The INTOLERANT LEFT is the principal place RACISM Exists – AGAINST WHITES who dare to challenge Liberal Orthodoxy.

There’s your RACISM! – Coming from the LEFT!

Kill any CRACKA’-BABIES Today, Lefties???

TfT said:
So now “MauMau” is the new “macaca”?

You are a cartoon, right? You aren’t a real person?

Are you out of your ever loving mind?

Yes, MauMau is. SInce they were Kenyans who rose up and killed black people.

You think the Huck is bearing the burden of the slaughter of the Huguenots? No. But Obama carries some Kenyan burden.

Good god you people are nuts.

Killed white people. Need to edit better.

NORBIT Jr. said:
Time to turn the tables: The INTOLERANT LEFT is the principal place RACISM Exists – AGAINST WHITES who dare to challenge Liberal Orthodoxy. There’s your RACISM! – Coming from the LEFT! Kill any CRACKA’-BABIES Today, Lefties???

Fringe group makes a nutcase statement and the whole left (and the black President) bears its burden. Got it.

Please join me in the countdown for when Sarah Palin will denounce Stormfront. Why is she silent on this issue?

No statement? They have been around for years and she has said NOTHING!!!!

To be clear, I am making a statement as stupis as yours here. No reasonable person thinks she she bear that burden.

Everyone please take a look at Tommy Christopher’s July 2010 interview of New Black Panther Party Chairman Malik Zulu Shabazz. The link is below.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/exclusive-full-interview-new-black-panther-party-chairman-malik-zulu-shabazz/

Now, read it very carefully and compare it to how he writes this article. His bias clearly stands out. Now in the article about old Huckabee, Tommy tries his hardest to find racism in every little comment, and claims that people “long for the time when you could make “jungle bunny” jokes and not become a pariah, and they’re not all klansmen.”

Now, rewind to July 2010 and read his statements, they are very interesting. he tries his hardest to divert the attention away from an organization that he even admits has been designated a “hate group” by the southern poverty law center (he used the quotes in his article). He makes the following remarks:

“All of this makes the NBPP a perfect bogeyman for those who would try to stoke fear of a black President in mainstream Americans, a tactic that has been tried before, and failed.”

Of course in the current article about old Huckabee, Tommy Christopher makes no reference of how people are going to use some backdoor racist comment as a “bogeyman” to stocking supposed racist feelings about a possible GOP presidential candidate. No, it is Tommy Christopher that appears to be the one promoting stoking fears himself.

Now is he, like the Malik Zulu Shabazz, going to try and contact Huckabee to “give him an opportunity to tell his side of the story” as he gave Shabazz?

Who’s stoking the fear now Tommy?

BFD said:
Forget the “Kenya” part, Huckabee still identified Obama as growing up sympathetic to the Mau Mau uprising.
That is not misspeaking.

No, it’s his grandfather. Why do you think he sent the Churchill bust back when he got into the White House?

I’ve always found that people who refer to themselves as a “non-racist white…” have some weird obsession with race and are always looking for racism in others to prove they’re not racist themselves/are better than everyone else. To paraphrase Shakespeare – I think they protest too loudly…

@ crclarkNY,

You are very right. It’s kind of like the closet homosexual that goes out of his/her way to prove that they are straight, even going to the point of attacking other homosexuals. I’ve always thought this about many white liberals. They go out of their way to try and find racism everywhere, when it is possible they hold some sort of racist feelings themselves. The guilt eats them up.

More Liberty4 said:
Let me get this straight, when the racist leader of the New Black Panthers talks about crackers and killing babies that’s not racism Tommy? I remember you sat down with that bigot and interviewed him, and went about basically giving him an excuse to say whatever he says. http://www.mediaite.com/online/exclusive-full-interview-new-black-panther-party-chairman-malik-zulu-shabazz/ Tommy, you made the claim back then that: “All of this makes the NBPP a perfect bogeyman for those who would try to stoke fear of a black President in mainstream Americans, a tactic that has been tried before, and failed. During the 2008 presidential campaign, opponents of then-Senator Barack Obama repeatedly tried to conflate him with the NBPP by virtue of a web page in an open Barack Obama forum, one that was subsequently removed.” So would you now say that this is the perfect “bogeyman” for those that want to stir the “Republican’s are racist” card? What I find interesting is how back when you interviewed the NBPP rep you did everything to excuse his hate and the actions of his group. Yet here you are clearly race baiting. I’m not a racist, but I sure as hell don’t have to buddie up with black racist to prove so as some people here do. What I always find rather interesting is how white liberals feel some sort of guilt. A guilt I assume comes from somewhere deep down inside them, possibly subconscious. They try to hide their own racist feelings that they do everything they can to cover up for them.

So which of these black panthers is a presidential candidate with his own talk show?

Considering BO’s fathers connection to Kenya, it shouldn’t take an i.q. over 12 to give a benefit of a doubt that he did mean Indonesia and just had Kenya on the mind. Not really a big deal and just libs grasping at straws here for something to bitch about, as usual.

It is also more then possible but most likely that Huckabee could be clueless about the double meaning of mau mau. Older, very religious and conservative types are commonly uninformed on such lingo. Imagine telling your grandmother some joke involving a “dirty sanchez?” Thats right, she would be clueless.

The worst part about the whole article here is the hockey joke from 20 years ago. The obvious irrelevancy of that proves the unnecessariness of the whole article. But this is a common theme here on mediaite when it comes to lefty articles. Oh well, so be it.

More Liberty4 said:
@ crclarkNY,

You are very right. It’s kind of like the closet homosexual that goes out of his/her way to prove that they are straight, even going to the point of attacking other homosexuals. I’ve always thought this about many white liberals. They go out of their way to try and find racism everywhere, when it is possible they hold some sort of racist feelings themselves. The guilt eats them up.

He was talking about you

Steve_27 said:
Considering BO’s fathers connection to Kenya, it shouldn’t take an i.q. over 12 to give a benefit of a doubt that he did mean Indonesia and just had Kenya on the mind. Not really a big deal and just libs grasping at straws here for something to bitch about, as usual.

It is also more then possible but most likely that Huckabee could be clueless about the double meaning of mau mau. Older, very religious and conservative types are commonly uninformed on such lingo. Imagine telling your grandmother some joke involving a “dirty sanchez?” Thats right, she would be clueless.

The worst part about the whole article here is the hockey joke from 20 years ago. The obvious irrelevancy of that proves the unnecessariness of the whole article. But this is a common theme here on mediaite when it comes to lefty articles. Oh well, so be it.

The double meaning of maumau had WHAT to do with Indonesia?

Right-is-wrong wrote:
“He was talking about you”

That’s your comment? It’s rather simplistic and sophomorish.

Nationman said:
“So which of these black panthers is a presidential candidate with his own talk show?”

Oh so that’s the difference? A talk show? Because no where in those two articles does it really consider that a factor. But I assume that you are aware of this but are simply just trying to cover for Tommy and his double standard.

More Liberty4 said:
Nationman said:“So which of these black panthers is a presidential candidate with his own talk show?” Oh so that’s the difference? A talk show? Because no where in those two articles does it really consider that a factor. But I assume that you are aware of this but are simply just trying to cover for Tommy and his double standard.

I didn’t read for tommy’s double standard or bias or whatever, what i’m saying is we’re considering the tactics of a presidential candidate with a talk show on one of the most watched networks in cable news. You are considering people that are on the far left of the political scale.

Georgetown Professor Michael Eric Dyson ”

One of the nations’ leading racists and racebaiter.

BTW, I heard how Barry said the TP was racist yesterday- what a dbag POS he is.

notsofast said:
Georgetown Professor Michael Eric Dyson ” One of the nations’ leading racists and racebaiter. BTW, I heard how Barry said the TP was racist yesterday- what a dbag POS he is.

so he must be running for president to right?

Nationman said:
“so he must be running for president to right?”

So commenting on double standards only works for those that are running for office.

Nationman said:
so he must be running for president to right?

Yes, most black racists run for office, son. See Sharpton and Jackson.

Moderate said:
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,”

Biden thinks Obama is the only African-American who is articulate and bright and clean.

Just goes to show the utter lack of self-respect Obama and Biden have.

After such a clearly racist insult Obama should not have picked Biden for his running mate and Biden should not have accepted.

More Liberty4 said:
Right-is-wrong wrote:
“He was talking about you”

That’s your comment? It’s rather simplistic and sophomorish.

I know you are, but what am I?

Thank jesus for good whites like tommy christopher. Somewhere Tom Wolfe is smiling knowingly.

More Liberty4 said:
Nationman said:“so he must be running for president to right?” So commenting on double standards only works for those that are running for office.

lol wut? whose commenting on double standards here? You’re argument was that the black panthers are comparable to Huckabee. Mine is that they are not, Huckabee held a public office as governor of Arkansas, has his own talk show on Foxnews and is a big contender for the presidential nomination of the republican party.

notsofast said:
Yes, most black racists run for office, son. See Sharpton and Jackson.

Nice that you picked out candidates who actually stood a chance of getting elected to any office.

Nationman,
“lol wut? whose commenting on double standards here? You’re argument was that the black panthers are comparable to Huckabee. Mine is that they are not, Huckabee held a public office as governor of Arkansas, has his own talk show on Foxnews and is a big contender for the presidential nomination of the republican party.”

And my comparison regarding Mediaite and Tommy was that he makes light of a clear racist and hate organization (NBPP) and accuses those that point that out as “stoking fear.” Yet, he then goes on to debate the minuet meanings of basketball and hockey and how they pertain to race. Then he claims that many people that may people that follow Huckabee want to bring back the good old days of overt racism. My point is that he, Tommy, is stoking fear – something he whined against in July when the target was a racist black organization.

More Liberty4 said:
Nationman,“lol wut? whose commenting on double standards here? You’re argument was that the black panthers are comparable to Huckabee. Mine is that they are not, Huckabee held a public office as governor of Arkansas, has his own talk show on Foxnews and is a big contender for the presidential nomination of the republican party.” And my comparison regarding Mediaite and Tommy was that he makes light of a clear racist and hate organization (NBPP) and accuses those that point that out as “stoking fear.” Yet, he then goes on to debate the minuet meanings of basketball and hockey and how they pertain to race. Then he claims that many people that may people that follow Huckabee want to bring back the good old days of overt racism. My point is that he, Tommy, is stoking fear – something he whined against in July when the target was a racist black organization.

Personally, Mr. Christopher should’ve come out stronger against these black panther groups. But again, Huckabee’s position is not comparable at all to those groups. It doesn’t really add up at all.

Nationman,
“Personally, Mr. Christopher should’ve come out stronger against these black panther groups. But again, Huckabee’s position is not comparable at all to those groups. It doesn’t really add up at all.”

You’re right he’s not comparable because he’s not for killing babies such as NBPP Minister King Shabazz said,
“You want freedom? You’re gonna have to kill some crackers! You’re gonna have to kill some of their babies!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN67KJdd6Mw&feature=player_embedded

More Liberty4 said:
Nationman,“Personally, Mr. Christopher should’ve come out stronger against these black panther groups. But again, Huckabee’s position is not comparable at all to those groups. It doesn’t really add up at all.” You’re right he’s not comparable because he’s not for killing babies such as NBPP Minister King Shabazz said,“You want freedom? You’re gonna have to kill some crackers! You’re gonna have to kill some of their babies!” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN67KJdd6Mw&feature=player_embedded

let me know when this guy is running for office so I can campaign against him. I’ll pay for it myself.

“let me know when this guy is running for office so I can campaign against him. I’ll pay for it myself.”

Got it. Only denounce hate groups when their leaders are running for office. Otherwise, complain that people are “stoking fears.”

More Liberty4 said:
“let me know when this guy is running for office so I can campaign against him. I’ll pay for it myself.” Got it. Only denounce hate groups when their leaders are running for office. Otherwise, complain that people are “stoking fears.”

you can denounce them all you like. Huckabee’s hate group is ever present in the forefront of the political process thus it’s not a comparable situation.

Nationman said:
Personally, Mr. Christopher should’ve come out stronger against these black panther groups. But again, Huckabee’s position is not comparable at all to those groups. It doesn’t really add up at all.

More Liberty4 said:
But I assume that you are aware of this but are simply just trying to cover for Tommy and his double standard.

Both of you need to demonstrate what it is you’re talking about, because what you are saying is false. Not only did I denounce every fucked up thing ever said by an NBPP member, I confronted their chairman about all of them, and the responses I got were far more illuminating than any other interviewer has gotten. If you can show where I did anything but denounce that group, bring it on. Otherwise, apoligize.

As far as a “double standard,” there is no comparison. The right-wing media was falsely portraying the NBPP as a group with far-reaching influence, falsely claiming that they had influence over the Obama campaign, and later, the White house. These were lies. If someone lies about Mike Huckabee, I’ll be there to point that out, as well.

And the notion that I’m “stoking fear” is the classic race-baiter’s defense, that calling out racism is, itself, racist. I’m not stoking fear, Mike Huckabee is stoking fear, of our Mau Mau Madrassa President.

More Liberty4 said:
What I find interesting is how back when you interviewed the NBPP rep you did everything to excuse his hate and the actions of his group

Again, provide a link and a quote, or apologize. I did no such thing, and you are a liar.

turk281 said:
But it is wrong to assume racism.

I agree. I strongly disagree with lazy liberals who cry racism at every opportunity.

However; In this case Tommy explained the difference between racism and race baiting. It’s an important difference and both liberals and conservatives ought to understand it.

Huckabee did not misspeak. IMO, this incident and a previous one where he made outrageous statements about Muslims using a Christian church for services were intentional contrived controversy.
Is it race baiting and dog whistling to zero in on Obama’s father that he barely knew, Kenya, that he has barely been to and the Mau Mau revolution in some nonsensical way of painting Obama as anti-American. I think so, but I’m not interested in arguing the point with someone who sees it as political commentary. IMO, the offense here is more than the race issue It’s the intentional contrived superficial controversy. First he purposely makes derogatory and inflammatory remarks about Muslims, over some minor event in TN, and then he goes on to bring up Obama’s father , the Mau Mau revolution to purposely paint our president as anti-American and different than “regular” Americans {whatever the hell that means}
Coincidently , Huckabee has a book to promote , so every time he says something controversial he gets a little more free publicity to talk about his book and the 24/7 “news” channels get another contrived controversy to prattle on about.
IMO, it’s clearly an appeal to ignorance and knee jerk emotion. That’s the offense IMO. We recognize the National Enquirer as useless gossip, and the World Weekly News as a joke. Now so called news networks resort to cheap contrived controversy rather than journalism, creating ignorant crap for ratings and money. I think O’Donnell and Matthews are equally guilty for cooperating and feeding this cheap ploy.

Is an appeal to superficial ignorance and cheap controversy a dishonorable act for Huckabee, ORielly, ODonnell, Matthews? Is it cheap and dishonorable for networks that portray themselves as news networks and then intentionally create this kind of controversy so they can then discuss it. Huckabee is paid by Fox, who gets him to say outrageous things, create a controversy they can cover.

As long as the public is willing to buy this crap, our poor excuse for news networks will be willing to create it.

turk281 said:
I’m gonna post this again, sorry:

Oh for christsake. Please, liberals, tell me that you’re not eating up this faux outrage that people like Lawrence continue to dish out.

I need to know that not all Libs are politically correct jag offs deconstructing every sentence looking for racist innuendo.

Hello?

Explain Huckabee’s running commentary on Obama.

–Cobra

Sean68 said:
Thank jesus for good whites like tommy christopher. Somewhere Tom Wolfe is smiling knowingly.

And what do you define YOURSELF as?

–Cobra

Tommy Christopher said:
And the notion that I’m “stoking fear” is the classic race-baiter’s defense, that calling out racism is, itself, racist. I’m not stoking fear, Mike Huckabee is stoking fear, of our Mau Mau Madrassa President.

It’s the same as Palin’s comments about the “real America” . It’s an intentional appeal to ignorance and xenophobia. {does that sound better than racism?} It’s intentionally contrived superficial controversy, and I doubt it has anything to do with what Huckabee actually thinks about Muslims in a Christian church or Obama.

I had some respect for Huckabee during the 2008 election when he defended Rev Wright. Now, after his time at Fox, he seems willing to take cheap shots for money. He apparently has redefined his job along with other media figures.

Thanks Tommy for spelling out the specific difference between race baiting and racism. More people ought to understand it.

Cobra said:
And what do you define YOURSELF as? –Cobra

What a dumb question.

Cobra said:
Explain Huckabee’s running commentary on Obama.

–Cobra

He’s discussing the background and lineage of the President. And? People even write books about the President! Someimes they even write books about themselves.

CosmosDan said:
Huckabee did not misspeak. IMO, this incident and a previous one where he made outrageous statements about Muslims using a Christian church for services were intentional contrived controversy.

Ahhh, so you can see into his soul, Dan?

Tommy Christopher said::
“And the notion that I’m “stoking fear” is the classic race-baiter’s defense, that calling out racism is, itself, racist. I’m not stoking fear, Mike Huckabee is stoking fear, of our Mau Mau Madrassa President.”

So let me get this straight Tommy. When people point out that the NBPP is racist and point to it you make the claim that, and these are your words, “All of this makes the NBPP a perfect bogeyman for those who would try to stoke fear of a black President in mainstream Americans, a tactic that has been tried before, and failed.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/exclusive-full-interview-new-black-panther-party-chairman-malik-zulu-shabazz/

Yet you then turn around half-a-year later and make the following statement because you made some strange comparison about race and basketball:

“But there are lots of people who long for a time when you could make “jungle bunny” jokes and not become a pariah, and they’re not all klansmen. They are the audience for Huckabee’s race-baiting.’

You do the same thing. You yourself are, at least in my opinion, “stoking fear.”

Tommy Christopher said:
And the notion that I’m “stoking fear” is the classic race-baiter’s defense, that calling out racism is, itself, racist.

You threw too many twists in there, Tommy. “Calling out racism” is the classic race baiter’s mode of operation. And they never say it’s racist to do so.

Tommy Christopher said:
“Again, provide a link and a quote, or apologize. I did no such thing, and you are a liar.”

Ok…no problem.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/exclusive-full-interview-new-black-panther-party-chairman-malik-zulu-shabazz/

You do everything you can to minimize the issue by deflating the target. Tommy wrote: “I spoke with Shabazz days after the incident, and he denounced the action at the polling place), but when did that ever make a difference?”

-Hey he, after getting caught, denounced the action right, so I guess we should forgive him.

Tommy wrote:
“Given recent events, including several ominous pronouncements from this very interview, some may ask “Why shouldn’t we be afraid?” It’s a good question. While some conservatives seem invested in conjuring a Black Menace…”
-Let’s balme the interest in the racism on conservatives as an attempt in “conjuring up a black menace..”

“When the Philadelphia incident occurred on Election Day, the McCain campaign tried to exploit what everyone agrees was an isolated incident while the polls were still open.”

-While the incident only happend at one site, should we still not be concerned? Or is this an attempt to deflate the issue since it was “isolated.”

More Liberty4 said:
So let me get this straight Tommy.

Well, before we move on, does your last comment constitute your retraction/apology for the lie that I “excused” the NBPP’s actions and rhetoric? Because that’s where the goalpost was before. It was a lie.

Your impression that I’m now “stoking fear,” on the other hand, could just be an honest misunderstanding. As I said before, it is Huckabee who is stoking fear (of our Mau Mau Madrassa POTUS), and not I. I’m simply calling him out for it.

But instead of trying to reach for some false double standard, why don’t you tell me which part of my commentary you disagree with, and why?

As I said before, it is Huckabee who is stoking fear (of our Mau Mau Madrassa POTUS), and not I.

Discussing Obama’s background is “stoking fear”, Tommy? No.

Just say it: Don’t talk about my boyfriend, you racist!!!” Let it out. You’ll be glad you did.

Pablo said:
Discussing Obama’s background is “stoking fear”, Tommy? No. Just say it: Don’t talk about my boyfriend, you racist!!!” Let it out. You’ll be glad you did.

just like there were so many presidential candidates who may be leading their pary in 2000 and 2004 that talked about where bush grew up right? just say it pablo, you like talking about obama’s backround because he’s different than everyone else. Basic biggotry 101.

Pablo said:
He’s discussing the background and lineage of the President. And? People even write books about the President! Someimes they even write books about themselves. Ahhh, so you can see into his soul, Dan?

yes and he’s using it to discuss policy. what an idiotic argument it is.

More Liberty4 said:
Tommy Christopher said:
“Again, provide a link and a quote, or apologize. I did no such thing, and you are a liar.”

Ok…no problem.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/exclusive-full-interview-new-black-panther-party-chairman-malik-zulu-shabazz/

You do everything you can to minimize the issue by deflating the target. Tommy wrote: “I spoke with Shabazz days after the incident, and he denounced the action at the polling place), but when did that ever make a difference?”

-Hey he, after getting caught, denounced the action right, so I guess we should forgive him.

Tommy wrote:
“Given recent events, including several ominous pronouncements from this very interview, some may ask “Why shouldn’t we be afraid?” It’s a good question. While some conservatives seem invested in conjuring a Black Menace…”
-Let’s balme the interest in the racism on conservatives as an attempt in “conjuring up a black menace..”

“When the Philadelphia incident occurred on Election Day, the McCain campaign tried to exploit what everyone agrees was an isolated incident while the polls were still open.”

-While the incident only happend at one site, should we still not be concerned? Or is this an attempt to deflate the issue since it was “isolated.”

How do any of these statements “excuse” the NBPP’s actions? Both things can be true: the NBPP can be wrong, AND the right-wing media can be guilty of overreach and fabrication.

You seem to have a problem accepting the facts in this case. As I reported, my history reporting on the NBPP dates back several years, I didn’t just wake up and jump into the story. The incident in Philly was isolated, and was a contravention of the NBPP’s instructions to its activists. That’s why there was no case against Shabazz or the NBPP, only the individuals. No evidence to the contrary has ever been offered.

That doesn’t mean Shabazz isn’t a hate-monger, just that he’s a careful hate-monger.

My characterization of the Philly incident as a minor, isolated incident is based on reporting I did at the time, when I spoke with police sources on election night, and with Shabazz the following day. The cops didn’t even see fit to arrest the guy with the nightstick.

These are facts, not my opinions. If you have other facts, let’s see ‘em.

Why can’t we “thumbs down” comments by Mediaite Staff? :-(

Nationman said:
just say it pablo, you like talking about obama’s backround because he’s different than everyone else.

Ah, so Huckabee is right, is what you’re saying! And you just don’t like him speaking that particular truth.

Now we’re getting somewhere.

Tommy Christopher said:
That’s why there was no case against Shabazz or the NBPP, only the individuals.

Yes there was, and the DoJ had won it. Until they “unwon” it. And you say you’ve been reporting on this?

BadGenome said:
Why can’t we “thumbs down” comments by Mediaite Staff? :-(

You lack thumbs?

White liberals don’t want to waste their energy and “moral authority” attacking the racism of blacks, whom they regard generally as an ideological ally. The white left almost lost its mind after the Rev. Wright flap–and not over the fact that kumbaya Obama had such a close relationship with such a person–but that it risked blowing up his presidential hopes. They were even conspiring to smear anyone who dared made hay out of it (see Spencer Ackerman and the journ-o-dicks).

Pablo said:
Ah, so Huckabee is right, is what you’re saying! And you just don’t like him speaking that particular truth. Now we’re getting somewhere.

yes, my argument is what does that have to do with anything? why start a debate about it in the first place? to make him seem different of course, foreign, maybe non-white? Like i said biggotry 101, you must have aced it.

Pablo said:
Yes there was, and the DoJ had won it. Until they “unwon” it. And you say you’ve been reporting on this?

what was the case? do you have evidence? and so help me don’t link to the blaze again.

Another isolated incident. And another. And another.

Pablo said:
Another isolated incident. And another. And another.

I ask for a source and you bring me to a conservative youtube channel. very credible.

Tommy Christopher said:
I’m not stoking fear, Mike Huckabee is stoking fear, of our Mau Mau Madrassa President.

Still waiting for you to call out Obama for stoking fear and distrust of Whites by using anti-White dogwhistles from Spike Lee’s “Malcolm X” movie in front of mostly Black audiences, as seen in this video (which is only one of several incidences, btw, and also take note of the audience reaction to the despicable dogwhistle Obama was using. In fact in a longer version of the same instance, Obama can’t stop laughing at the rise he’s getting from the audience and says he’s gotta stop because he was having to much fun):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU

Come on Tommy! Be fair & balanced. If you are really so offended by politicians who, in your mind, are using racial dogwhistles, then call it out wherever it occurs. Don’t protect someone just because you are in effect an advocate of that person. Oh, and don’t forget about Obama telling Latinos to punish their enemies. Could he have been any more racially blunt than that?

Pablo said:
Another isolated incident. And another. And another.

i also asked what case they had, I don’t know if any of these is even admissable in a court of law. You said they had the case almost won. If so they should mention it somewhere.

Nationman said:
what was the case? do you have evidence? and so help me don’t link to the blaze again.

You know, if you have no idea what you’re talking about, you shouldn’t be arguing the matter. Try the US Commission on Civil Rights, nitwit.

In
December 2008, a civil case for alleged Voting Rights Act violations for intimidating or
attempting to intimidate voters, poll workers and observers was initiated against the NBPP, its
chairman, and the two men at the polling place. Despite the entry of a default in DOJ’s favor
against each of the defendants, in May 2009 the Department abruptly reversed course and
dismissed charges against all but one of the defendants and reduced the original sanctions it
requested against the remaining defendant, who was only enjoined from carrying a weapon at a
polling place in Philadelphia until 2012.

OxyCon said:
Still waiting for you to call out Obama for stoking fear and distrust of Whites by using anti-White dogwhistles from Spike Lee’s “Malcolm X” movie in front of mostly Black audiences, as seen in this video (which is only one of several incidences, btw, and also take note of the audience reaction to the despicable dogwhistle Obama was using. In fact in a longer version of the same instance, Obama can’t stop laughing at the rise he’s getting from the audience and says he’s gotta stop because he was having to much fun): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU Come on Tommy! Be fair & balanced. If you are really so offended by politicians who, in your mind, are using racial dogwhistles, then call it out wherever it occurs. Don’t protect someone just because you are in effect an advocate of that person. Oh, and don’t forget about Obama telling Latinos to punish their enemies. Could he have been any more racially blunt than that?

lol wut? how is any of that dogwhistles? He was also saying it in a joking tone, none of it sounds racist at all. In fact it sounds like a defense against racism.

GlennBovineKoldys said:
You lack thumbs?

Nah, I have thumbs. They’re just in your mom at the moment.

Nationman said:
yes, my argument is what does that have to do with anything? why start a debate about it in the first place? to make him seem different of course, foreign, maybe non-white? Like i said biggotry 101, you must have aced it.

Why not talk about it? He’s the frigging President! Since when do we not talk about the President? How is that bigotry?

Easy. It’s because screaming “Racist!” is the only argument you’ve got. Or, because you have no argument, so you just go with ad hominem. Guess what? I. Don’t. Care.

Pablo said:
Why not talk about it? He’s the frigging President! Since when do we not talk about the President? How is that bigotry? Easy. It’s because screaming “Racist!” is the only argument you’ve got. Or, because you have no argument, so you just go with ad hominem. Guess what? I. Don’t. Care.

since when do we make associations between growing up in some place different and being anti american? Ad hominem attacks my foot.

Nationman said:
lol wut? how is any of that dogwhistles? He was also saying it in a joking tone, none of it sounds racist at all. In fact it sounds like a defense against racism.

Cluelessness comes to mind.

Pablo said:
You know, if you have no idea what you’re talking about, you shouldn’t be arguing the matter. Try the US Commission on Civil Rights, nitwit.

you mean the commission that holds a conservative 6-2 slant?

Nationman said:
since when do we make associations between growing up in some place different and being anti american? Ad hominem attacks my foot.

When we want to figure out how a guy can spend 20 years listening to a preacher who pals around with Muammar Qaddafi and Louis Farrakhan, and who thinks 9/11 was the greatest thing since sliced bread?

BadGenome said:
When we want to figure out how a guy can spend 20 years listening to a preacher who pals around with Muammar Qaddafi and Louis Farrakhan, and who thinks 9/11 was the greatest thing since sliced bread?

Do they relate to his policies? can you relate anything that he’s actually done in his presidency to those people?

BadGenome said:
Nah, I have thumbs. They’re just in your mom at the moment.

Burn! I remember when I made that joke at 9 years old.

Nationman said:
Burn! I remember when I made that joke at 9 years old.

Cool. I remember when I had my thumbs in your mom at 9 years old.

Nationman said:
since when do we make associations between growing up in some place different and being anti american?

Huckabee didn’t say anti-American, but I will. And not because of Kenya or Indonesia, but because of Bill Ayers and Frank Marshall Davis.

Pablo said:
Huckabee didn’t say anti-American, but I will. And not because of Kenya or Indonesia, but because of Bill Ayers and Frank Marshall Davis.

“And so I’d like you to comment on that,” Fischer continued. “You seem to think that there is some validity to the fact that there may be some fundamental anti-Americanism in this president.”

“Well, that’s exactly the point that I make in the book,” Huckabee responded. “And I don’t know why these reporters — maybe they can’t read.”

“And I have said many times,” he later added, “publicly, that I do think he has a different worldview and I think it’s, in part, molded out of a very different experience. Most of us grew up going to Boy Scout meetings and, you know, our communities were filled with Rotary Clubs, not madrassas.”

Nationman said:
you mean the commission that holds a conservative 6-2 slant?

Anything that progressives aren’t in full control of doesn’t matter. Got it.

What does that have to do with the facts in that report?

Look, if you don’t have an argument, you should just shut up. You’re not helping your cause.

BadGenome said:
Cool. I remember when I had my thumbs in your mom at 9 years old.

keep em coming, the 4th grade talent show is coming you’ve got to showcase this amazing talent.

The “conservative” mind at work. Empty – except for its self-hatred.

OxyCon said:
Still waiting for you to call out Obama for stoking fear and distrust of Whites by using anti-White dogwhistles from Spike Lee’s “Malcolm X” movie in front of mostly Black audiences, as seen in this video (which is only one of several incidences, btw, and also take note of the audience reaction to the despicable dogwhistle Obama was using. In fact in a longer version of the same instance, Obama can’t stop laughing at the rise he’s getting from the audience and says he’s gotta stop because he was having to much fun):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU

Come on Tommy! Be fair & balanced. If you are really so offended by politicians who, in your mind, are using racial dogwhistles, then call it out wherever it occurs. Don’t protect someone just because you are in effect an advocate of that person. Oh, and don’t forget about Obama telling Latinos to punish their enemies. Could he have been any more racially blunt than that?

For some odd reason, this stuff is kryptonite for America’s “journolists”, who love calling everyone else race baiters. They won’t touch it with a ten foot pole.

Pablo said:
Anything that progressives aren’t in full control of doesn’t matter. Got it. What does that have to do with the facts in that report? Look, if you don’t have an argument, you should just shut up. You’re not helping your cause.

no, anything that’s not balanced doesn’t matter. The commission has been a lapdog for conservatives since the Reagan era, it’s supposed to be a bipartisan commission but that’s hardly the case now.

BadGenome said:
Nah, I have thumbs. They’re just in your mom at the moment.

Oh, snap! Hello?

Nationman said:
keep em coming, the 4th grade talent show is coming you’ve got to showcase this amazing talent.

Oh, I’m gonna. Your mom and I will be wearing matching outfits and everything!

Nationman said:
Nationman says:
March 4, 2011 at 1:54 pm Nationman(Quote)

I’m so glad that black people have libs like you to stick up for them because you obviously believe they are totally incapable of doing that for themselves.

How white of ya, son.

Nationman said:
no, anything that’s not balanced doesn’t matter.

So, the Obama Administration doesn’t matter?

I notice that you’re completely dodging the point which is that there was indeed a case against both Shabazzes, Jackson and the NBPP itself. Would you like to try arguing that there wasn’t again?

OxyCon said:
Still waiting for you to call out Obama for stoking fear and distrust of Whites by using anti-White dogwhistles from Spike Lee’s “Malcolm X” movie in front of mostly Black audiences, as seen in this video (which is only one of several incidences, btw, and also take note of the audience reaction to the despicable dogwhistle Obama was using. In fact in a longer version of the same instance, Obama can’t stop laughing at the rise he’s getting from the audience and says he’s gotta stop because he was having to much fun):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU

Come on Tommy! Be fair & balanced. If you are really so offended by politicians who, in your mind, are using racial dogwhistles, then call it out wherever it occurs. Don’t protect someone just because you are in effect an advocate of that person. Oh, and don’t forget about Obama telling Latinos to punish their enemies. Could he have been any more racially blunt than that?

Hoodwinked – Bamboozled
Racebaiting dog whistle?

OxyCon said:
For some odd reason, this stuff is kryptonite for America’s “journolists”, who love calling everyone else race baiters. They won’t touch it with a ten foot pole.

Guess I better get up to speed
Is there a white dog whistle dictionary or something?

Pablo said:
So, the Obama Administration doesn’t matter? I notice that you’re completely dodging the point which is that there was indeed a case against both Shabazzes, Jackson and the NBPP itself. Would you like to try arguing that there wasn’t again?

nice, you too my hyperbole to it’s logical extreme. I’m referring specifically to commissions, commissions that aren’t bipartisan don’t matter. the shabbazzes are biggots and morons but again, you haven’t provided me with any unbiased sources on this material.

Steve_27 said:
Imagine telling your grandmother some joke involving a “dirty sanchez?”

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Although not yours I am a grandmother many times over. and would like to ask: What is a “dirty sanchez”?

Nationman said:
the shabbazzes are biggots and morons but again, you haven’t provided me with any unbiased sources on this material.

Are you suggesting that the UCCCR is LYING about the course of the case? Really?

Pablo said:
Ahhh, so you can see into his soul, Dan?

Nope. I freely admit that it’s my personal opinion on the matter, based on what I’ve seen from Huckabee in the past and the current sad bullshit that constitutes TV news.

bugspot1 said:
Hoodwinked – Bamboozled
Racebaiting dog whistle?

Guess I better get up to speed
Is there a white dog whistle dictionary or something?

In Spike Lee’s Blacksploitation film “Malcolm X”, the lead character goes on a racist, anti-white tirade telling his audience that you can’t trust Whites because they will “hoodwink” and “bamboozle” you. Blacksploitation films are almost entirely watched only by Black audiences. Obama, knowing that fact, would always bring up Hillary or John McCain by name and talk about how he’s different then them, then after awhile, he’d veer off and start indirectly saying “They’re gonna hoodwink ya….bamboozle ya….that’s what they do”. Obama would do this in front of mostly Black audiences and they would roar and howl in laughter because they were in one the racial dogwhistling.

I provided a link. Why don’t you check it out? First 40 seconds is all you need to watch. The reason you have never heard about it is because the media covered it up and either didn’t have the guts to report it, or buries it because they wanted Obama to win.

Now that Huckabee is catching hell for supposedly playing racial politics, isn’t this a good time to point out that Obama was just as guilty?

Grammie said:
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Although not yours I am a grandmother many times over. and would like to ask: What is a “dirty sanchez”?

you don’t wanna know. it’s scat play

OxyCon said:
you don’t wanna know. it’s scat play

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It probably is for the best, thanks.

More Liberty4 said:
-Hey he, after getting caught, denounced the action right, so I guess we should forgive him.

How exactly did he get caught? He was not at the polling site and my understanding is there was no evidence to indicate the member with the nightstick/baton, was following NBPP instructions. An individual member , acts out, but that doesn’t make the whole group guilty unless you can show that the individual was following group instructions.

Steve_27 said:
Considering BO’s fathers connection to Kenya, it shouldn’t take an i.q. over 12 to give a benefit of a doubt that he did mean Indonesia and just had Kenya on the mind. Not really a big deal and just libs grasping at straws here for something to bitch about, as usual.

No, it doesn’t make sense. He was clearly talking about Kenya. If anything was misspoken it would be saying Obama grew up there, rather than the nation itself. The other part that makes it dubious is the fact that Obama barely had a relationship with his father , and the mention of the Mau Mau revolution which is relevant how exactly?
It’s contrived nonsense IMO.

Huckabee mentioned on ORielly that he had done 40 media events that day. I’d be interested in seeing that list.

Pablo said:
Are you suggesting that the UCCCR is LYING about the course of the case? Really?

yes, yes I am. now do you have another source or not?

Pablo said:
Yes there was, and the DoJ had won it. Until they “unwon” it. And you say you’ve been reporting on this?

They “won” it by default rather than by any evidence. Is there an objection to deciding what action to take based on the merits of the case, rather than a default win?

Nationman said:
yes, yes I am.

Ah, so you’re an idiot.

now do you have another source or not?

Yes. Right here. Hey, maybe you could find the complaint filed against them!

CosmosDan said:
They “won” it by default rather than by any evidence. Is there an objection to deciding what action to take based on the merits of the case, rather than a default win?

The merits of the case supported filing it. The case doesn’t suck because the defendants didn’t respond. I’d suggest you review the testimony of J. Christian Adams and Christopher Coates. And then think about why the DoJ tried so hard to keep Coates from testifying.

Nationman said:
what was the case? do you have evidence? and so help me don’t link to the blaze again.

In case you didn’t know.

It was the DoJ under the Bush admin that filed the Philly NBPP case as a civil matter rather than criminal, so any inference that the Obama DoJ, dropped some big criminal case is BS.

The DoJ won the case by default when the people cited didn’t show for a hearing, {If I remember correctly}
Then , in deciding what to do with that victory, based on evidence the DoJ, took action against the only individual who had committed an offense.

The whole thing seemed like a “people of color are trying to steal our country” conspiracy.

Tommy Christopher said:
“How do any of these statements “excuse” the NBPP’s actions? Both things can be true: the NBPP can be wrong, AND the right-wing media can be guilty of overreach and fabrication.”

You’re basically insinuating in a round about manner that since the NBPP minister apologized, that it was an isolated incident that it’s not that big of deal. In fact, you attempt to divert and distract attention away from the racist to people that point it out such as Fox News.

An no I’m not apologizing for anything, nor have I “moved the goal posts.” Additionally, you need to admit that if the “right-wing” was “stoking fear” during the whole NBPP party incident, then you are currently “stoking fear” regarding the Huckabee’s words.

Pablo said:
The merits of the case supported filing it.

Right, it was filed as a CIVIL , not criminal case, by the Bush DoJ, and then after a default win, they took action against the one person who actually committed an offense. Not one voter from that district lodged a complaint about intimidation. AS I said, they took action based on the merits of the case after a default win.

Pablo said:
Christopher Coates.

Coates made some excellent points and I agree that which cases of voter tampering are pursued should not be decided on the basis of race. Coates testimony doesn’t change the details or the evidence in the NBPP case. Adams motives are questionable because of his involvement in conservative campaigns.

CosmosDan said:
Coates made some excellent points and I agree that which cases of voter tampering are pursued should not be decided on the basis of race. Coates testimony doesn’t change the details or the evidence in the NBPP case. Adams motives are questionable because of his involvement in conservative campaigns.

And the DOJ should be trusted because….

CosmosDan said:
Right, it was filed as a CIVIL , not criminal case, by the Bush DoJ, and then after a default win, they took action against the one person who actually committed an offense. Not one voter from that district lodged a complaint about intimidation. AS I said, they took action based on the merits of the case after a default win.

The lawyers that worked on the case disagree with you, as does the USCCR.

Pablo said:
The lawyers that worked on the case disagree with you, as does the USCCR.

isn’t that like saying the republicans disagree with Barack obama on policy? Kind of self evident.

More Liberty4 said:
And the DOJ should be trusted because….

I didn’t say that. The DoJ is a human construct as is our entire court system. It’s subject to flaws and human failings like anything else. I’m just saying I looked at the details of this specific case and didn’t see it as anything even close to the huge travesty of justice it was painted as being.

From what I’ve read there have been far shadier dealings in almost every election and we have to decide how to use our resources.

Pablo said:
The lawyers that worked on the case disagree with you, as does the USCCR.

All of them, or just the ones that might have some political agenda to pursue?

The “NBPP” you folks are burning up the internet over is a tempest in a teapot. Three mentally addled street people have provided hours of rants for the F#X Noise machine and all its little sycophants. A group of ringers and thugs bussed in to disrupt voting tabulation should be news, but it wasn’t when John Roberts did it.

Here’s a thought. In both elections involving Bush there were accusations of election tampering which can take many forms. Sending fewer voting machines to certain districts hoping that people get discouraged by long lines. Telling voters who’s names are even close to some felon’s name that they can’t vote, and the list goes on.

When the State Attorney General says the state will be delivered to a certain candidate, and the company making the paperless voting machines shows clear bias, maybe it’s time for all concerned citizens to be concerned about our elections being on the up and up.
Does anyone remember anyone being charged or fined or demoted based on any of those accusations in 2000 and 2004? Honest question because I don’t know.
Do we assume that when a republican is elected all those accusations must be baseless and politically motivated, and then when Obama is elected it must be the polar opposite?

Pablo said:
The lawyers that worked on the case disagree with you, as does the USCCR.

And do they disagree about the facts, or just how it was handled? Was it filed as a civil case, and why was that if it was indeed so egregious? Were there any complaints from voters in that precinct or weren’t there?

OxyCon said:
In Spike Lee’s Blacksploitation film “Malcolm X”, the lead character goes on a racist, anti-white tirade telling his audience that you can’t trust Whites because they will “hoodwink” and “bamboozle” you.

And…what? Spike Lee’s film was actually tame compared to what Malcolm X (who was a real person) actually said in speeches. In fact, Malcolm X was very explicit and a lot more “colorful” in his descriptions.

More Liberty4 said:
And the DOJ should be trusted because….

As opposed to the BUSH DOJ? How short of a memory do you have in regards to VOTE CAGING?

“In the late summer and fall of 2004, the Republican National Committee developed a caging list of voters in predominantly black areas of Jacksonville, Florida. The scheme came to light when Tim Griffin, then the Research Director and Deputy Communications Director for the RNC, mistakenly sent an e-mail with the subject line “caging” to an e-mail address at georgewbush.org, a political parody website whose operators sent it to the press. Griffin had meant to send the list to a Republican operative with an e-mail address at georgewbush.com, the official Bush campaign e-mail suffix.

Griffin’s e-mail contained an Excel spreadsheet “Caging-1.xls” containing the names of 1,886 Florida voters, mostly black, including the names of black soldiers deployed abroad.[8]

As the BBC reported, “An elections supervisor in Tallahassee, when shown the list, told Newsnight: ‘The only possible reason why they would keep such a thing is to challenge voters on Election Day.’”[9] A recent analysis of the names on the caging list showed that the Jacksonville caging preferentially selected blacks and excluded whites.[10]

Griffin was later appointed an interim U.S. Attorney in Arkansas. The White House refused to submit him to the Senate for confirmation out of concerns over his involvement in vote caging, as Monica Goodling verified in her testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.[11] ”

…”In Clark County Nevada, the former state Republican Party executive director, Dan Burdish, attempted to cage 17,000 voters weeks prior to the 2004 election. The voters had been put on an “inactive” list when mail sent to their addresses was returned.

The Las Vegas Review Journal reported, “Burdish said he only targeted Democratic voters because ‘I’m a partisan Republican, I admit it.”[12]

Local election administrators objected to the challenge, including Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax. As reported by the Review Journal, “Lomax said he can see no legitimate reason why Burdish would challenge the voters. ‘The law already tells us what to do with inactive voters,’ Lomax said. ‘The law provides a remedy for these people, and I’d guess that the only point in a challenge would be an attempt to intimidate voters.’”[13]

Ohio 2004

More so than Florida, Ohio was ground zero for the hotly contested 2004 election – and also a hotbed of voter intimidation.

The Ohio Republican Party developed a caging scheme and identified 35,000 newly registered voters in urban areas, mostly black, who either refused to sign for letters from the Republican party or whose letters came back undeliverable.[14] An attorney for the Ohio Republican Party even admitted that the plan was to use the returned letters from minority neighborhoods to challenge voters.[15]

Prior to Election Day, when the caging list would be used to challenge voters at the polls, the caging scheme was challenged in court on two fronts. In New Jersey, voters filed suit against the RNC for violating the 1982 consent decree. The RNC argued that the consent decree only applied to it, not the Ohio Republican Party, which planned to supply the challengers, and therefore was inapplicable to the Ohio election.[16] The federal court rejected that argument, and, on Nov. 1, 2004, ordered Republicans in Ohio not to proceed with the caging scheme on Election Day.[17]

Meanwhile, in Ohio, voters filed suit to challenge the Ohio law permitting political parties to post challengers in polling places on Election Day – challengers armed with caging lists.[18]

While the court battles were playing out in New Jersey and Ohio in the days and hours leading up to the 2004 election, with the rights of minority voters hanging in the balance, did the Department of Justice step in to enforce the Voting Rights Act?

Unsurprisingly for anyone who’s followed the ongoing scandal over the politicization of the Civil Rights Division, the answer is “of course not.” Perversely, the Justice Department sent a letter to the Ohio federal judge overseeing the lawsuit to tell her that the challenge statute that was to be used as part of the vote caging scheme was perfectly fine.[19] ”

http://www.clcblog.org/blog_item-152.html

Comment on this. Let’s just see where your biases truly lie.

–Cobra

Cobra said:
And…what? Spike Lee’s film was actually tame compared to what Malcolm X (who was a real person) actually said in speeches. In fact, Malcolm X was very explicit and a lot more “colorful” in his descriptions. As opposed to the BUSH DOJ? How short of a memory do you have in regards to VOTE CAGING? “In the late summer and fall of 2004, the Republican National Committee developed a caging list of voters in predominantly black areas of Jacksonville, Florida. The scheme came to light when Tim Griffin, then the Research Director and Deputy Communications Director for the RNC, mistakenly sent an e-mail with the subject line “caging” to an e-mail address at georgewbush.org, a political parody website whose operators sent it to the press. Griffin had meant to send the list to a Republican operative with an e-mail address at georgewbush.com, the official Bush campaign e-mail suffix. Griffin’s e-mail contained an Excel spreadsheet “Caging-1.xls” containing the names of 1,886 Florida voters, mostly black, including the names of black soldiers deployed abroad.[8] As the BBC reported, “An elections supervisor in Tallahassee, when shown the list, told Newsnight: ‘The only possible reason why they would keep such a thing is to challenge voters on Election Day.’”[9] A recent analysis of the names on the caging list showed that the Jacksonville caging preferentially selected blacks and excluded whites.[10] Griffin was later appointed an interim U.S. Attorney in Arkansas. The White House refused to submit him to the Senate for confirmation out of concerns over his involvement in vote caging, as Monica Goodling verified in her testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.[11] ” …”In Clark County Nevada, the former state Republican Party executive director, Dan Burdish, attempted to cage 17,000 voters weeks prior to the 2004 election. The voters had been put on an “inactive” list when mail sent to their addresses was returned. The Las Vegas Review Journal reported, “Burdish said he only targeted Democratic voters because ‘I’m a partisan Republican, I admit it.”[12] Local election administrators objected to the challenge, including Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax. As reported by the Review Journal, “Lomax said he can see no legitimate reason why Burdish would challenge the voters. ‘The law already tells us what to do with inactive voters,’ Lomax said. ‘The law provides a remedy for these people, and I’d guess that the only point in a challenge would be an attempt to intimidate voters.’”[13] Ohio 2004 More so than Florida, Ohio was ground zero for the hotly contested 2004 election – and also a hotbed of voter intimidation. The Ohio Republican Party developed a caging scheme and identified 35,000 newly registered voters in urban areas, mostly black, who either refused to sign for letters from the Republican party or whose letters came back undeliverable.[14] An attorney for the Ohio Republican Party even admitted that the plan was to use the returned letters from minority neighborhoods to challenge voters.[15] Prior to Election Day, when the caging list would be used to challenge voters at the polls, the caging scheme was challenged in court on two fronts. In New Jersey, voters filed suit against the RNC for violating the 1982 consent decree. The RNC argued that the consent decree only applied to it, not the Ohio Republican Party, which planned to supply the challengers, and therefore was inapplicable to the Ohio election.[16] The federal court rejected that argument, and, on Nov. 1, 2004, ordered Republicans in Ohio not to proceed with the caging scheme on Election Day.[17] Meanwhile, in Ohio, voters filed suit to challenge the Ohio law permitting political parties to post challengers in polling places on Election Day – challengers armed with caging lists.[18] While the court battles were playing out in New Jersey and Ohio in the days and hours leading up to the 2004 election, with the rights of minority voters hanging in the balance, did the Department of Justice step in to enforce the Voting Rights Act? Unsurprisingly for anyone who’s followed the ongoing scandal over the politicization of the Civil Rights Division, the answer is “of course not.” Perversely, the Justice Department sent a letter to the Ohio federal judge overseeing the lawsuit to tell her that the challenge statute that was to be used as part of the vote caging scheme was perfectly fine.[19] ” http://www.clcblog.org/blog_item-152.html Comment on this. Let’s just see where your biases truly lie. –Cobra

that’s not fair cause we’re not supposed to talk about bush anymore, just pretend his presidency never happened.

More Liberty4 said:
You’re basically insinuating in a round about manner that since the NBPP minister apologized, that it was an isolated incident that it’s not that big of deal.

No, it is a fact that it was an isolated incident. No insinuation, nothing roundabout. That Shabazz denounced it is also a fact. He did it over the phone, to me, the next day. And I don’t know that I’d call it an “apology.” Shabazz was mainly annoyed that the pair had brought so much heat on his organization.

It was simply an underreported fact, and one which the Bush DoJ ignored, along with the complete lack of evidence that the NBPP had anything to do with ordering the Philly incident. If you don’t like the facts, then you probably should stay away from this story.

OxyCon said:
Now that Huckabee is catching hell for supposedly playing racial politics, isn’t this a good time to point out that Obama was just as guilty

So you admit that Huckabee is guilty of race-baiting? Then what are we arguing about? Denounce him and move on.

Gomer Pyle used to yell ‘Shabazz’ all the time. But I don’t know if it had racial overtones.

writer said:
Gomer Pyle used to yell ‘Shabazz’ all the time. But I don’t know if it had racial overtones.

SHA-ZAM!

I think it was a Shaq reference

Would it have racial overtones to say that SHA-ZAM was a terrible movie? (Don’t give up your day job, Shaq.)

I would find it hard to believe ANY race would disagree with that.

Huckabee like the half-term nit wit has no chance of becoming president. Unfortunately for him and the nit-wit, thinking is a prerequisite.

Tommy Christopher said:
No, it is a fact that it was an isolated incident. No insinuation, nothing roundabout.

The incident itself was isolated. The DoJ’s treatment of it was not. I could give a damn about Samir Shabazz, as anyone with reasonably functional vision can tell that his cheese has slid waaaaaay off his cracker, baby.

That Shabazz denounced it is also a fact. He did it over the phone, to me, the next day.

Yeah. That’s what he told you, Cracka. Back with his peeps, there was a different story, which is…wait for it…..EVIDENCE! How can you not have seen that video, Tommy, and claim you’ve been all over this story? I know the last thing you want to do is engage with me, but please explain that for me.

Shabazz was mainly annoyed that the pair had brought so much heat on his organization.

Yeah. He hates getting caught.

It was simply an underreported fact, and one which the Bush DoJ ignored, along with the complete lack of evidence that the NBPP had anything to do with ordering the Philly incident. If you don’t like the facts, then you probably should stay away from this story.

Which “fact” are you talking about? That it was an “isolated incident” or that Malik Shabazz “denounced” its consequences? And what does either of them have to do with whether or not there was a case against them?

BTW, the NBPP stated beforehand that they were sending 300 people to the polls. Which is aside from Malik’s happy little admission above.

CosmosDan said:
They “won” it by default rather than by any evidence. Is there an objection to deciding what action to take based on the merits of the case, rather than a default win?

You decide what you’re looking for before you file the case, not after the judgment. And the DoJ doesn’t “take action” the Court orders it, which is why you decide what you’re after before you file.

And do they disagree about the facts, or just how it was handled?

4 career attorneys (Spencer Fisher, Christian Adams, Robert Popper and Christopher Coates) greenlighted the case, based on the facts. From what I’ve heard (which is mostly Adams and Coates) they vehemently disagree with how it was handled.

Was it filed as a civil case, and why was that if it was indeed so egregious? Were there any complaints from voters in that precinct or weren’t there?

Had a voter complained, they probably would have gotten the criminal charges. They filed the case they expected to win. And then they won. And then political appointees of the Obama Administration decided that enjoining those 4 parties from displaying weapons and harassing people at polling places was a bridge too far.

Feel free to explain to me why the conditions the DoJ asked for when they filed would be a bad idea, or why just enjoining Samir Shabazz from brandishing a weapon at polling places in Philly is a better idea.

CosmosDan said:
Adams motives are questionable because of his involvement in conservative campaigns.

BTW, Dan, please back that smear up. What leads you to believe that Adams wasn’t doing his job to the best of his ability, or that he quit that job and turned whistleblower over political considerations? Why were his motives in doing his job questionable?

That you would just do somebody like that when they were waist deep in a case, just because you’d like to win an argument is kinda despicable. There is no evidence whatsoever that Adams was anything but a dedicated attorney in the Voting Rights Section.

People are spouting off on assumed facts they know naught of, such as the Kenyan birth myth and Obama’s parents.

As Dr. Charles E. Rice, Professor Emeritus of Law at Notre Dame Law School, says, “I’s time for a new approach. *** The first step toward resolving the issue is full discovery and disclosure of the facts.”

Cf. Prof. Dr. Rice’s approach, in calling for a congressional investigation of Obama:

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2011/03/is-he-or-isnt-he-american-citizen.html

Charles E. Rice is professor emeritus at the Law School of Notre Dame University in South Bend IN. He is the author of What Happened to Notre Dame?
http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=49420&t=Barack+Obama%3A+Is+he+or+Isn't+he+an+American+citizen%3F
POSTED BY SAM SEWELL AT 12:06 PM

Pablo said:
And then political appointees of the Obama Administration decided that enjoining those 4 parties from displaying weapons and harassing people at polling places was a bridge too far.

It sounds to me like you’re assuming guilt based on the fact that charges were filed. That’s not how our justice system works is it?

There were only two people at that polling place. One had a weapon and left after ordered to do so by the police. The other was from that neighborhood and a registered poll watcher. The only person who actually committed an offense was acted upon.

It was a predominantly black neighborhood . Who exactly were they intimidating? The people who were already likely to vote for Obama?

Pablo said:
BTW, Dan, please back that smear up.

I didn’t smear anybody. I expressed a possibility which is well within the bounds of reality based on reading I did at the time. I was not alone in questioning his motives.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/tellmemore/2010/07/13/128489128/justice-or-politics
“A prominent conservative thinker, Abigail Thernstrom, a Republican member of the US Civil Rights Commission, who has written and spoken widely about civil rights and equal opportunity issues, also says Adams’ complaints are way overblown, that the case he is so upset about is “small potatoes.”
and from the linked article by same
“In the 45 years since the act was passed, there have been a total of three successful prosecutions. The incident involved only two Panthers at a single majority-black precinct in Philadelphia. So far — after months of hearings, testimony and investigation — no one has produced actual evidence that any voters were too scared to cast their ballots. Too much overheated rhetoric filled with insinuations and unsubstantiated charges has been devoted to this case.”
You are free to assume Adams is noble and true but the fact is that at disagree on how things ought to be handled, and other career attorneys disagreed with the four you mentioned so their complaints don’t make them correct.

“Critics will point out that Adams was hired by a Justice official named Bradley Schlozman who was sternly criticized by the Department’s own Inspector General for inappropriately using political and ideological considerations in hiring decisions for positions that are supposed to be non partisan and non political, whose conduct not even former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales would defend”
and from here
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donnie-fowler/an-open-letter-to-j-chris_b_647032.html
“The other thing that I you and I can agree on is that you are a committed, partisan conservative who does not come to this “whistle blower” attack on President Obama with clean hands. As a founder of the Univ. of South Carolina Law School’s Federalist Society (the most important legal group for conservative judicial activism) and as a committed supporter of Pat Buchanan’s presidential campaigns, it makes complete sense that you have a bone to pick with the Democratic majority in Washington.”

Pablo said:
That you would just do somebody like that when they were waist deep in a case, just because you’d like to win an argument is kinda despicable.

You are not a mind reader, and for you to claim my motives are despicable when you don’t even know them, is more despicable than anything I did. Congrats.

Pablo said:
There is no evidence whatsoever that Adams was anything but a dedicated attorney in the Voting Rights Section.

Yeah, there is. I read about this case at length when it was first in the news. I made no statement of knowledge about Adams. Only that his history as a solid conservative puts his motives in question by several people better suited to judge than you or I. That his motives are at least questionable is accurate. Your assessment of mine are bullshit.

Pablo said:
The incident itself was isolated. The DoJ’s treatment of it was not. I could give a damn about Samir Shabazz, as anyone with reasonably functional vision can tell that his cheese has slid waaaaaay off his cracker, baby.

Yeah. That’s what he told you, Cracka. Back with his peeps, there was a different story, which is…wait for it…..EVIDENCE! How can you not have seen that video, Tommy, and claim you’ve been all over this story? I know the last thing you want to do is engage with me, but please explain that for me.

Yeah. He hates getting caught.

Which “fact” are you talking about? That it was an “isolated incident” or that Malik Shabazz “denounced” its consequences? And what does either of them have to do with whether or not there was a case against them?

BTW, the NBPP stated beforehand that they were sending 300 people to the polls. Which is aside from Malik’s happy little admission above.

There’s nothing in that video that Shabazz didn’t tell me the day after the incident. Yes, they sent people to the polls, but with strict instructions not to run afoul of the law. They were instructed to remain 150 away from polling places, and watch out for intimidation of voters in black districts.

The question isn’t whether Shabazz was secretly proud of Samir, or only annoyed because the incident got him in trouble, but whether he *ordered* it. There’s absolutely no evidence to suggest he did, and plenty of evidence to the contrary. Not only that, it does’t even make sense on its face. If the NBPP was on a mission to intimidate voters, then 299 of them did a piss-poor job.

Just because you really, really want something to be true doesn’t mean it ever will be.

CosmosDan said:
It sounds to me like you’re assuming guilt based on the fact that charges were filed. That’s not how our justice system works is it?

Malik Zulu Shabazz is a practicing attorney. Why didn’t he respond on his own behalf and on behalf of the NBPP? Simple: He knew he was going to lose. Guilt is not at question. This was a civil suit.

There were only two people at that polling place. One had a weapon and left after ordered to do so by the police. The other was from that neighborhood and a registered poll watcher. The only person who actually committed an offense was acted upon.

No, they both committed an offense. That’s why they were both charged.

I didn’t smear anybody. I expressed a possibility which is well within the bounds of reality based on reading I did at the time. I was not alone in questioning his motives.

Yes, you did. That Thernstrom thinks the case overblown does not say that she questions Adams’ motives. Bartle Bull, WHO WAS THERE, and who knows a thing or two about voting rights law, disagrees with Thernstrom, and agrees with Adams and the other 3 attorneys. None of these 6 people have called the motives of any other into question, from what I’ve heard. You’re saying that because he has conservative leanings, his motives must be questioned in how he did his job. Not only is that simplistic beyond belief, it’s despicable.

Who is Donnie Fowler, what is his involvement in this case and why should I care? He does get this right, though: “Of course, I know that you and I both agree that voting discrimination and intimidation is wrong — no matter who initiates it and no matter who is punished by it. ”

You are not a mind reader, and for you to claim my motives are despicable when you don’t even know them, is more despicable than anything I did. Congrats.

Bullshit. You’re making charges that you STILL have no evidence whatsoever to support. And there’s only one reason you’re doing it. It’s sleazy. Congrats.

Yeah, there is. I read about this case at length when it was first in the news. I made no statement of knowledge about Adams. Only that his history as a solid conservative puts his motives in question by several people better suited to judge than you or I.

Name them, and show me where they did so. You haven’t, you can’t, you lie. Again.

Tommy Christopher said:
The question isn’t whether Shabazz was secretly proud of Samir, or only annoyed because the incident got him in trouble, but whether he *ordered* it. There’s absolutely no evidence to suggest he did, and plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Then why didn’t ATTORNEY Shabazz respond to the complaint?

Not only that, it does’t even make sense on its face. If the NBPP was on a mission to intimidate voters, then 299 of them did a piss-poor job.

The NBPP is a bunch of morons? You don’t say. Here’s more Malik on the issue:

It’s just that the New Black Panther Party sometimes, whatever we do, we just tend to do it kind of strong, you know what I mean? [laughter] Sometimes, whatever we do, sometimes we just do it just real strong, and sometimes it can even be too black and too strong. And so what happened was, one of our men, one of our brothers, who’s my little brother and I love, King Samir Shabazz, just was a little bit too strong and he was caught out there at the polling place with a nightstick at the polling place, and the John McCain
campaign rolled up on him with some cameras and some poll watchers and jumped all over the issue and all over the brother.

Shabazz has been on several sides of this story, and you’ll notice that they didn’t wrist slap the Philly chapter until the suit was filed and even then, only for show. The only side of this story Shabazz hasn’t been on is the side where he answers the subpoena and testifies.

Again, would someone like to explain why the original relief sought is somehow unfair? Here it is:

“Permanently enjoins Defendants, their agents and successors in office, and all persons acting in concert with them, from deploying athwart the entrance to polling locations either with weapons or in the uniform of the Defendant New Black Panther Party, or both, and from otherwise engaging in coercing, threatening, or intimidating, behavior at polling locations during elections.”

Why on earth would they drop that?

Pablo said:
Name them, and show me where they did so. You haven’t, you can’t, you lie. Again.

So, my simply asking the question about Adams motives, echoed by others at the time, is despicable but you can assert what horrible motives I have and call me a liar to boot. Piss off Pablo, you’re a bad joke.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/civil_rights_commission_chalks_ups_bush_doj_illega.php

You didn’t ask a question, Dan. You made a statement, a judgment. Try again.

Pablo said:
Then why didn’t ATTORNEY Shabazz respond to the complaint?

You’re just talking in circles now. Not responding to the complaint doesn’t suddenly create evidence. There is none. However, since you asked, I don’t know why he didn’t respond to the complaint. What I DO know is that, when I tried to contact Shabazz at the NBPP headquarters, the organization’s voicemail was full, and featured an outgoing message that was several months out of date. I had to track Shabazz down through other channels. I also know that I originally wanted to interview him at the NBPP headquarters in DC, but he insisted on another location, then another, before we settled on that pizzeria. I suspected that this might have been an indication of the organization’s financial health, and he pretty much confirmed that in our interview.

I get it, you don’t like the NBPP, and you really want them to be guilty of this, but they’re not. You’d be much better served concentrating on what can be proven, like the fact that Shabazz has to ask, “In what context?” when deciding whether or not he endorses the killing of “cracker babies.”

None of what we have discussed, by the way, demonstrates an iota of what you and that other guy accused me of. You haven’t identified a single wrong fact, or a single bit of commentary that “excuses” anything the NBPP did. Just because you don’t like them doesn’t make them guilty of this one thing, and just because you don’t like me doesn’t make me wrong. In each case, the facts are hopelessly biased against you.

I don’t much care about ther NBPP clowns, as I’ve previously mentioned. I’m much more concerned.with what’s going on at DoJ. Now you can claim all you like that the facts are biased against me but the facts of this case have been adjudicated once and the fact based conclusion is biased against you and in agreement with me. Which is another fact.

Your wrong fact is that there was no case against Malik and the NBPP. You are absolutely, demonstrably incorrect.

Christopher Coates’ testimony to the USCCR is very instructive. He picks up on the NBPP dismissals at the end of Page 10 (Page 11 of the PDF) But read the whole thing and tell me where he’s wrong?

If you don’t smell a rat here, you need to take the clothespin off your nose. And for the record, this problem started well before Obama.

Pablo said:
Yes, you did. That Thernstrom thinks the case overblown does not say that she questions Adams’ motives. Bartle Bull, WHO WAS THERE, and who knows a thing or two about voting rights law, disagrees with Thernstrom, and agrees with Adams and the other 3 attorneys. None of these 6 people have called the motives of any other into question, from what I’ve heard. You’re saying that because he has conservative leanings, his motives must be questioned in how he did his job. Not only is that simplistic beyond belief, it’s despicable. >

so your argument is that suggesting anyone involved with the case had political motivations is ridiculous but the people in the appointee of the obama administration clearly had political leanings by dismissing the case? Perhaps you should look up the word double standard and find it’s definition.

Nationman said:
so your argument is that suggesting anyone involved with the case had political motivations is ridiculous

No. I said you can’t impugn someone’s job performance because of your impressions of their political leanings. Adams had been a highly regarded career attorney while at the DoJ and there is no evidence whatsoever of any reason to question his motivations in doing his job. “HE’S A CONSERVATIVE!” doesn’t do it.

Pablo said:
Christopher Coates’ testimony to the USCCR is very instructive. He picks up on the NBPP dismissals at the end of Page 10 (Page 11 of the PDF) But read the whole thing and tell me where he’s wrong? If you don’t smell a rat here, you need to take the clothespin off your nose. And for the record, this problem started well before Obama.

I actually like his quote about if we were to imagine the NBPP as KKK members. If there were two rogue klansmen at a polling event, even with how hateful spiteful and utterly despicable they are, i don’t see how the entire organization could be charged. You could charge the poll watcher for not doing his job but the rest of the case doesn’t seem to be factual in nature. Not to make light of the situation, but t’s also a predominantly black neighborhood, inner cities go almost entirely for democrats. who were they going to intimidate, the two people voting for mccain? if the nbpp wanted to truly intimade these people they should’ve sent more of their members in. as it stands two people, even one with a night stick, would have a tough time taking on a mob of voters.

also where was the rest of the voter intimidation? Philly seems to be the only place hit by the so called efforts. Shabbaz himself says that he sent the 300 people near the area because he thought someone else would engage in voter intimidation. He also says that his people did not endorse barack obama. Was his effort fool hardy and idiotic? yes. Are shabazz and his organization despicable and utterly hateful supremcists? absolutely. But again, assumption of guilt based on those things is not how our court system works.

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Nationman said:
I actually like his quote about if we were to imagine the NBPP as KKK members. If there were two rogue klansmen at a polling event, even with how hateful spiteful and utterly despicable they are, i don’t see how the entire organization could be charged

Nationman said:
who were they going to intimidate

Would Klansmen be intimidating voters in a white conservative neighborhood that had a history of overwhelmingly voting the way they wanted them to? The analogy doesn’t really make sense does it?

The charges were actually that they were trying to intimidate poll watchers, supposedly to allow all those false voters registered by ACORN a chance to subvert our democracy.

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