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Morning Joe Sees Rick Perry Poll Drop As Romney Win, Barely Mentions Cain’s Gains

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On Thursday’s Morning Joe, the discussion of Gov. Rick Perry‘s stunning drop in a new Fox News poll centered around its implications for slow-and-steady establishment pick Mitt Romney, who topped that poll. Mentioned, but effectively dismissed, was the fact that wild-card candidate Herman Cain vaulted, from a weak 5th place in that same poll in late August, into a statistical tie with Perry for second place, and just 6 points behind Romney, with a 5 point margin of error.

In that Fox News poll, Romney leads with 23%, with Perry at 19%, and Cain garnering a within-the-MOE 17%. The segment was also pegged to an Iowa poll that puts Perry running third behind Romney and Michele Bachmann, with Cain coming in fifth.

It’s true that Mitt Romney has managed to validate the political media’s self-fulfilling tortoise-and-hare prophecy, as he has weathered flashes in the pan from the likes of Donald Trump, Michele Bachmann, the undeclared specter of Sarah Palin, and now Perry. It’s also true that, as Pat Buchanan is the latest to point out, that without an early state win, Romney’s superior ground game becomes a difficult obstacle to surmount. Without an airtight organization, a Romney challenger, Buchanan says, will have only momentum to carry him or her through the primaries.

Still, it’s hard to see how Herman Cain isn’t the real story here. Romney’s lead is really a case of addition by subtraction; he’s been polling in the 20% neighborhood for a long time. Cain, buoyed by a well-received debate performance, and a devastating win in the Florida straw poll, has gone from single-digit also-ran to the scary T-Rex in Romney’s rear-view mirror.

Cain’s outsider status and near-cultlike following makes it tempting to dismiss this surge as the latest flash in the GOP pan, but poll numbers like this are no joke. I’ve covered three consecutive CPACs, and this past February, the energy around Cain was unlike anything I has seen before. While Cain has run into trouble on issues of substance, like foreign policy, it is perilous to underestimate the stamina of a personality-driven rise. Just look at how long a run Sarah Palin had. The enthusiasm for Cain is more intense, and wider, than it was even for the former Alaska Governor.

As for the central question of the Morning Joe debate, “If Mitt Romney Picks Up Iowa, Is It All Over For Rick Perry?” the way things are going, Perry could be a Giuliani-esque blip by the time Iowa rolls around. Herman Cain could flame out by then, as well, but his recent string of successes merit serious attention, not dismissal.

Also buried in that Fox News poll is a bit of good news for President Obama. He’s now beating Romney in a head-to-head match-up, 45%-42%.

Here’s the clip, from MSNBC’s Morning Joe:


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  • Michelle

    Tommy, it’s because Cain isn’t a real candidate, he’s just someone who let’s us appear that we aren’t the big racists we really are.  Just as Janeane, she will tell you:

    Janeane Garofalo: Racist Republicans Support Herman Cain

    Janeane Garofalo: “Herman Cain is probably well liked by some of the
    Republicans because it hides the racist elements of the Republican
    party. Conservative movement and tea party movement, one in the same.

    “People like Karl Rove liked to keep the racism very covert. And so
    Herman Cain provides this great opportunity say you can say ‘Look, this
    is not a racist, anti-immigrant, anti-female, anti-gay movement. Look we
    have a black man.’”

    So much wisdom on the left. 

  • Anonymous

    Well, he’s beloved by neo-Confederate Republican Robert Stacy McCain. 

    Cain, BTW, won that straw poll on the basis of his willingness to immigrant bash after Perry said y’all didn’t have a heart

  • Anonymous

    To quote the Weekly Standard c. 2003, please nominate Cain.  Somewhere Alan Keyes in 2004 is being understood as a metaphor.

  • Michelle

    Sounds like your opinion, Timmah!  I don’t think we put much stock in your opinion, but thanks!!

  • Anonymous

    Of COURSE Joey didn’t mention Cain; he’s a RACIST! And a Sexist. These supposedly ‘tolerant’ and ‘inclusive’ Leftist idiots HATE Cain simply because he’s BLACK and they hate Palin and Bachmann simply because they’re WOMEN. Of course, they’ll say that it’s ‘their policies’ they disagree with…not that Cain is BLACK and the others are WOMEN. They CANNOT say it’s a ‘policy’ thing because that would mean Conservatives hate OBAMO for the same reason. They need to hold onto their little ‘Disagree with OBAMO = Racism’ for dear life, which means they necessarily are RACISTS, too. And SEXISTS.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QPDAQ3JPTLJBQKOIIXB6DP2P54 Brad

    The Left would prefer to not have to deal with Cain rising, as this puts the lie to their whole ‘Tea-Party is racist’ meme.

  • Darladoon

    wow, cain did really gain some.

    but, man, what a kook

  • Anonymous

    Only 7% said they were “very impressed” by the field of republican candidates. Hence, all this Chris Christie talk lately, I imagine. And now Herman Cain’s gains.

  • Michelle

    No Brad, it’s proof of our racism.  That’s the logic of liberals.

  • RACE BAITING@6 RESIST WE MUCH!

    IRONY ALERT !!

  • Anonymous

    “Cain isn’t a real candidate, he’s just someone who let’s us appear that we aren’t the big racists we really are”.  The “New” Republican,Tea Party have been very transparent.This is exactly what people who are paying attention can see.

  • Anonymous

    Another day another set of poles

    ‘Polls are for strippers and skiers’ Sarah Palin

    The Wacky Race continues…with Romney now way out in front…until the next debate or poll.

    ‘The Tea Party has been acting like a girl going from one candidate to another…’ Pat Buchanan

  • Anonymous

    IRONY ALERT !!” I don’t think we put much stock in your opinion, but thanks!” This from the wanna be important paid troll.Why don’t you apply at Mediaite Michelle. 

  • Broadhorizons

    Dear Tommy,

    Ignoring Cain is an example of racism. 

    Thank you for writing a piece on this.

    Sincerely,

    BH

  • Anonymous

    The Sneering Lefties of Morning Joe and MSNBC are anxious for the Republicans to pick a candidate so they don’t have to trash nine or ten people . They would like concentrate on belittling and trying to destroy  just one person .

    Obama , in the meantime , is destroying himself and the entire Democrat party . Any Rep . will defeat Obama .

  • Michelle

    They don’t hire Conservatives, they ban them.

  • Kmpouliot

    Glad to see you are still keeping up “the good fight” Michelle…luv you!  Ranger.

  • Anonymous

    I liked Perry before I found out his stance on immigration…not so much now.

    I like Cain and the more I listen to him the more I like him.

    Cain has a real chance because he started as someone very few knew and keeps gaining in the polls as more and more people find out who he is. I expect Perry to continue to drop.

  • Michelle

    Via Gallup – In thinking about the 2012 presidential election, 45% of Democrats and
    independents who lean Democratic say they are more enthusiastic about
    voting than usual, while nearly as many, 44%, are less enthusiastic.
    This is in sharp contrast to 2008 and, to a lesser extent, 2004, when
    the great majority of Democrats expressed heightened enthusiasm about
    voting.

    Democrats’ muted response to voting in 2012 also contrasts with
    Republicans’ eagerness. Nearly 6 in 10 Republicans, 58%, describe
    themselves as more enthusiastic about voting. That is nearly identical
    to Republicans’ average level of enthusiasm in 2004 (59%) and higher
    than it was at most points in 2008.

  • Anonymous

    Ignoring Cain is like ignoring Trump both are a joke no matter what race they are.

  • Darladoon

    you don’t even know what irony is

    most people don’t

  • Anonymous

    No question Republicans are itching to vote and defeat Obama. But they are also itching to vote for something, not just against him. Alas, they’re looking for a Reagan and he’s nowhere to be found.

  • Broadhorizons

    Joey is a conservative, stupid.

  • Michelle

    As is Obama.

  • Anonymous

    What’s my opinion? that a racist like McCain supports Cain? that’s true, you can go to his website (Pablo can point the way).

    Or, that Cain is tough on immigration?

    I think that because I read the news, unlike you, who listens to Beck tell you the news.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64349.html

  • Broadhorizons

    Joe is a conservative, moron.

  • Broadhorizons

    Irony is Cain telling everyone he’s a *real* black man and inciting division within his own race, while saying race has no place in this election.

    Put THAT in your dictionary.

  • Broadhorizons

    Cain is racist against himself. 

    Now let’s see you try to untwist that noodle, little girl.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FSPIVAFYI672OH5NOKVRTEZA4U MadCharles

    Do people really watch this guy ?  He has nothing. He’s beyond being a RINO anymore. O’Reilly & Morning Crap Show. Cumming all over soon on MSNBC.. O’Reilly hate’s Hannity

  • Broadhorizons

    Reagan once said trees are the biggest polluters. By that statement, I believe any one of the running buffoons qualify.

  • RACE BAITING@6 RESIST WE MUCH!

    Mika is that you?

  • Broadhorizons

    As they should be.

  • Anonymous

    Donny Deutsch’s mother dressed him real nice this morning .

    Packed his lunchbox , too .

  • Michelle

    Yes Broad, we know you libs would love to shut up anyone who doesn’t agree with you.  Mainly because you can’t win in the arena of ideas. 

  • Michelle

    You said that is why people support Cain.  THAT is an opinion.

  • Broadhorizons

    Wow! If that’s the way you respond to facts, explain this: 
    Herman Cain said, “I could never support Rick Perry because he is insufficiently cruel to immigrants.”

    I’m going to grab a Granola bar and a cup o’ OJ. Please hurry up with your answer so I can munch and drink all over your ridiculous explanation. It’s boring being entertained without a snack of some sort…

  • ceeza

    Good luck with that.. The establishment machine has spoken and the establishment machine wants Willard… Which doesn’t upset a liberal like me too much I suppose..It could always be worse..I think he can beat Obama and if he does I hope governs somewhat like a centrist like his record suggests… Much better off with him then the rest of the goof troop the rights running out there..   

  • Anonymous

    And, then I proved it by citing a news article where people who supported Cain claimed they did so because of immigration and his comment.

    It’s weird. I think you are wrong about politics, but I don’t think you are stupid, but you are acting very stupidly about this.

    Just say you don’t like Garafalo’s reasoning and move on.

  • Anonymous

    And, then I proved it by citing a news article where people who supported Cain claimed they did so because of immigration and his comment.

    It’s weird. I think you are wrong about politics, but I don’t think you are stupid, but you are acting very stupidly about this.

    Just say you don’t like Garafalo’s reasoning and move on.

  • Broadhorizons

    It’s not because you all disagree with us, Michelle, it’s because you all are just sooooo daaaamn stupid!

  • ROTFLMAO

    And helped him up on his booster seat.

  • ceeza

    *governs slighty right of center.. 

  • Michelle

    He’s not inciting division, he’s trying to get blacks to think about what the Dem party has really done for them.  Of course that scares you libbies to death.  You don’t want them to get out from under your thumb.  For you to survive, it’s imperative that people believe they need you and can’t succeed on their own. 

  • Darladoon

    that’s not irony, dude

  • Anonymous

    No he’s not, Idiot! He just plays one on TV!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    Immigrant Bash?  Who is bashing Immigrants? There is a difference in expectation that the borders be secured and that the laws be fixed so that legal immigration will once again be supported by a majority of Americans…  What the left is proposing is pretty much lawless and penalizes those who have respected the rule of US law.  

  • Broadhorizons

    OMG. I started to read your comment, then took a peek at who wrote it, and then totally rolled my eyes. I have NEVER done that to anyone online, ever!!

    That’s messed up. Look what you’ve done to yourself.

  • Michelle

    Yes, we know that you libs think that anyone who doesn’t agree with you is stupid.  Sounds like a winning strategy!

  • Michelle

    Broad, what in the heck are you talking about?  Do you even know?

  • TbagsRstupid

    The most powerful man in the world says Herb is clueless on foreign policy.

  • Anonymous

    Perry lost votes because he said if you oppose a kid who was brought here when he was 3 receiving in-state tuition, then you don’t have a heart.

    That lost him votes!

    In my world, rooting against a kid is bashing. But, you know tomato and tomato

  • Anonymous

    On what planet?

  • Re-Elect Obama 2012

    Cain didn’t know what “right of return” meant in context of the Israeli-palestinian dispute.  I would say that qualifies him as clueless.

  • Anonymous

    Surprise, Joe has an agenda just like all TV pundits.  I just wish he wouldn’t try to call himself a conservative

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKEQSTA4WOBYU5Z7QNSBUR2LXI MASSMURDERMEDIA

    mslsd is doing to obama-lite what the nyt did to mccain:  build him up in hopes he’s the nominee, only to trash him once he secures the nomination… 

    as for the comments above, and those sure to follow, from lefties citing GOP racism, it’s a joke and quite tiring how utterly meritless those charges are…  that, and the “rich should pay their fair” share bullcrap…  but if that’s all you got then keep that mantra going, since you can’t defend or praise the incumbent for anything substantial other than being a correct thinking liberal democrat…  

  • Michelle

    I doubt Obama did either, but of course the liberal media didn’t bother with those pesky questions while he was running.  He was hand’s down, the most inexperienced person ever elected.  You libs didn’t seem to care then. 

  • TruDat

    The Morning Joe crew must be racist.

  • Broadhorizons

    ::: yawn :::

  • Broadhorizons

    Airhead, you CAN’T rebut a statement based on a doubt. TRY FACTS.

  • Michelle

    Of course we will never know because the corrupt, liberal media was in the tank for him and didn’t ask him anything important.  I think most of us can draw a conclusion though.  I mean the man thinks there are 57 states!  Are you telling me he knew what “right of return” was? 

  • TruDat

    Only in comparison to the other lefty loons on that show.

  • TruDat

    Only in comparison to the other lefty loons on that show.

  • Broadhorizons

    @michelle, boiled eggs are known to increase intelligence for a short amount of time. I suggest you consume an entire dozen before replying to me.

  • Anonymous

    Obama is in the White House.

    Look around. You’re in a shit-hole of your making.

    Intelligence always wins.

  • Re-Elect Obama 2012
  • Broadhorizons

    If they didn’t ask him, Ms. Ditz, how in the hell do you know he didn’t know the ANSWER?!!?

    ARRRRGH! You must drive everyone around you crazy!

  • Michelle

    Not for long, thankfully.

  • Michelle

    Sorry, that proves nothing other than he can read the speech written for him.  Now if you can find an interview of the media quizzing candidate Obama, then you might have something.

  • OSux

    Since intelligence wins it is no wonder why GrafX is a loser.

  • Anonymous

    Obama’s stunning drop in the MSM polls is of epic concern to those in the WH who will be in the unemployment line in 13 mos.

  • Anonymous

    And each one of those “goof troops” has much much more experience then the incompetent community organizer…who btw, has done nothing for you Liberals yet you will vote for again regardless!!

    That is why we have so many idiots in office fucking up this Country like Maxine Waters, Barbra Boxer, Harry Reid, Barney Frank…ect.

  • OSux

    It is of epic concern to those at PMSNBC and the rest of the media.

  • Jason

    Then go find an illegal alien to support financially. If you do not, you’re a racist.

  • Jason

    The fact that you think Joe is a Conservative only serves to tell us how much of a leftwing kook you are.

  • Jason

    Racist

  • Re-Elect Obama 2012
  • Anonymous

    says the nativist bigot

  • Anonymous

    Wrong. Ignoring the black guy is racist. It doesn’t matter if they were ignored equally it only matters that a black guy was involved so it is obvious racism.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    That is not exactly what Perry said those are Obama’s words but Perry’s words expressed a similar sentiment.  The problem is is that if you look at the amount of monies spent to assist and educate undocumented in this country we are spending 100′s of billions of dollars that could be used to do other things like rebuild our infrastructure, or address other social issues.  

    We as a country should demand that our government come to consensus no matter what that will be and pass new legislation that will address the immigration issue so that we can correct the current situation of states like Massachusetts acting as a sanctuary state and states like Alabama and Arizona writing laws that the Federal Government is suing against.  

    I would ask why it is that we are the only country in the world that when the citizens ask for a strong border policy people become offended?  Is US citizenship now considered a human right for people all over the world?  Or is it just Mexican’s that should have a citizen’s right in this country?   Whatever the case, if liberals want all mexicans to have citizens’s rights, then fine pass the law and make it so, but we should not give a nod to the Federal government to selectively enforce our laws…  If the laws are wrong then make them right.  

    My wife is an immigrant and she is more opposed to what the federal government is doing than are most Americans..  She is a latina and well connected in the Latino community and sees how many people come here and ask for federal assistance.  She clearly feels that it is wrong how our government and tax payers are abused.  In her opinion America is being abused and many of the people coming in to do so are not coming to help build this country, but to live on our social programs.  

    We cannot fix everything for everybody…  we are just not capable of doing so, what we can do is become strong as a nation, stop our deficits and be capable of doing more in the future to help people as our overspending today will cripple into the future.  

  • Lizton

    Zzzzzzzzzzur comment here.

  • Anonymous

    I wonder how many Liberals would have voted for Obama had he been a far right Conservative? Would they have been chanting “hopenchange” at Tea Parties for him?

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, You’re right I must be a racist. I hate Blacks and Whites… Whatever you say…..BTW I only relpy when someone else bring it up (which is usually from the right). It is you that is pushing this race issue.

  • Guest

    Your missing the point.  It’s not that the kid shouldn’t be helped.  But the fact of the matter is, everyone of these little perks to just entering illegally and remaining illegal needs to go away if we are to solve our immigration woes. 
     
    Especially when these perks involve giving a financial advantage to an Illegal alien over a citizen. 

  • Anonymous

    we will agree to disagree. And, I will gladly take the 40 million voters your “ideas” hand over.

  • Anonymous

    if only.  this board is filled with them

  • Guest

    Reagen also fixed Carter’s mess, forced the Soviet Union into financial insolvency, and adjusted domestic policy to allow one of the most productive decades on our history.

    But your out of context quote is probably a much better way to assess him and his presidency.

  • Anonymous

    Really? He really said your exact quote? Please provide the audio/video clip of where he said “I could never support Rick Perry because he is insufficiently cruel to immigrants.” Obviously you have heard/seen the clip and can produce it really quick for all of us.

    I already have my granola bar and oj so be expedient.

  • Guest

    I have a bridge to sell you.

  • Guest

    Well, you can always revert back to your usual source of entertainment, –>Nickalodeon.

  • Anonymous

    Seriously? You think having the status quo is “the key to solving immigration”? Look around and see how that plan has worked out.

    Perry’s plan took life as it exists and tried to make it better; yours is to ignore reality in service of ideology. I can’t believe I am saying this, but I’ll take Perry.

    Undocumented workers aren’t going to “go away.” Your demand for cheap good and services means their labor has value and they are willing and able to work their asses off. The fact that you think that making life harder on their kids is a good thing says volumes.

    Could you next tell us how religious you are and how Christ hated illegal immigrants too

  • Guest

    Or the ship of fools that you put in there three years ago

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NWVKX2P2QBPQ6FHQHCHVIC2ALQ Fedup in Florida

    That’s the problem with your side, always up for buying a vote, no matter that the money has run out or that it is policy that will only grow a problem for the country.

    But, yes we can agree to disagree.  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKEQSTA4WOBYU5Z7QNSBUR2LXI MASSMURDERMEDIA

    cain won the straw poll by working the shit out of the florida electorate, well in advance of the fox news/google debate……

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKEQSTA4WOBYU5Z7QNSBUR2LXI MASSMURDERMEDIA

    a more effective response would be for you to cover your ears and sing lalalalalalala!!!… 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKEQSTA4WOBYU5Z7QNSBUR2LXI MASSMURDERMEDIA

    you got me there…  how can one argue with such a cogent, articulate response?…  you must be a senior fellow at the harvard debating society…  i’ve met my match, you just blew me off the stage with that one…

  • Guest

    How are you equating my comment that these “perks” to illegals need to go away with “status quo”  Would status quo mean keeping all these perks in place?
     
    I appreciate your assessment of what my ideology is by a three sentence comment in a previous post, but with so many other things (in my assessment of you) your wrong.BS.  Which ironically enough was the same argument the south had when arguing for the “need” for slavery. 
     
    Jobs Americans wont do…BS as well.  There are wages Americans wont accept, but not jobs they wont do….and yes, I will be willing to pay two dollars more for a head of lettuce if that equates to my property taxes going down 400 dollars a year because the public school no longer has a 30% student body of illegals that don’t pay taxes at all.
     
    Making life harder on illegals is the whole point.  If it is hard enough, than they would be compelled to attain citizenship through the proper process like every other legal immigrant…they they are more than welcome to participate in the American dream.  They made a choice to bring their kids here, and with that choice, they subjected them to the hardships that might arise because of their choice, and I wont be held hostage or be forced to capitulate to this because they chose to get their kids involved.
     
    As for your question regarding Jesus and illegal, that is pretty lame and predictable, grow up.

  • Anonymous

    I am still waiting for the clip. What is taking so long for you to produce it?

  • Anonymous

    So, you do call yourself religious, but, in general, think Jesus didn’t mean being nice to Mexican neighbors?

    At any rate, yeah, I made fun of your claim that making it hard for illegals will make them go away, since it is already hard for them and they haven’t gone away.

    If making their kids pay out of state tuition made them leave, then why are they still in every other state?

  • Jackie

    See Michelle, what the Libs do is if they can’t counter your argument with logic and fact, they call you stupid. Like a 3rd grader, even. Stoooooppiiiiddd….nah nah nah…!
    Reading this stuff is so funny.
    They all have the same moronic attcks…Fox news, Bush, Racist…
    They cannot accept the fact that Obama is done. The man is toast. Worst. President. Ever.

  • Anonymous

    Of course not. They would have called him an Uncle Tom, a house Negro, or “inauthentic”. 

  • Anonymous

    i feel sorry for ya wife…..married to a redneck racist like you….maybe shes the hispanic version of an uncle tom….or married you for your money…..assholes like u  hate brown people cept the ones that will screw ya sorry asses…the trillion dollors in money used to bail out wall st could have been used to build bridges too…..but assholes like you only believe in helping out the rich….like some of the money will filter down to you and you can move from the god forsaken leantoo you call home…..you dumb fuckers are really starting to get on americas nerves……GO AWAY

  • Broadhorizons

    That fact that you would even ask that question demonstrates your stupidity. Why in the HELL would a LIBERAL vote for a CONSERVATIVE??

    Come On MAN! Nobody can be this stupid!!!

  • Broadhorizons

    It’s just Joe.

  • Anonymous

    Janeane Garofalo is just plain embarrassing, even by liberal standards.

  • Anonymous

    I totally agree with you. A Liberal would no sooner vote for a Conservative any more than a Conservative would vote for a Liberal.  Now maybe you can see how ignorant it is to call Conservatives racists for not voting for a Liberal. You have just proved my point that it is strictly due to political differences and has nothing to do with race.

  • Anonymous

    Broad, must we conclude that since you have not produced the clip of Herman Cain saying the statement you have quoted that it doesn’t exist? That it was a fabrication of your imagination or one of today’s false Liberal talking points?

  • Anonymous

    Stupidity@debates……..”Was it was before he was before the social programs..” -Rick Perry 

  • Anonymous

    That’s right, when they split the uprights, move the goalposts.

  • Anonymous

    Your statement is not logical. Again you’re continuing to talk about race and I am only replying.

  • Anonymous

    Joey is a RINO, stupid.

  • Anonymous

    The 1982 US Supreme Court case Plyler vs Doe rendered the decision that even children brought here illegally must be provided an education without charging them.  This decison as noted by the SCOTUS noted that the Congress could change that by passing legislation which they have never done. THey also noted in their decision that they rendered it in light of the fact that President Reagan had already indicated plans to offer amnesty.
    Children brought here illegally by their parents have been educated at US taxpayer expense.  We have a lot invested in their education already.  To not allow them the same rights as their classmates to receive in-state tuition is stupid.  They should not only receive the right to in-state tuition, but only if they apply and qualify for citizenship.  A lot of these kids have never tried to become citizens because their parents didn’t want to be exposed. 
    the children of illegals shouldn’t have to suffer for their parents’ mistakes.

  • Anonymous

    The 1982 US Supreme Court case Plyler vs Doe rendered the decision that even children brought here illegally must be provided an education without charging them.  This decison as noted by the SCOTUS noted that the Congress could change that by passing legislation which they have never done. THey also noted in their decision that they rendered it in light of the fact that President Reagan had already indicated plans to offer amnesty.
    Children brought here illegally by their parents have been educated at US taxpayer expense.  We have a lot invested in their education already.  To not allow them the same rights as their classmates to receive in-state tuition is stupid.  They should not only receive the right to in-state tuition, but only if they apply and qualify for citizenship.  A lot of these kids have never tried to become citizens because their parents didn’t want to be exposed. 
    the children of illegals shouldn’t have to suffer for their parents’ mistakes.

  • Anonymous

    And never mind that this kid who has been here with his illegal parents doesn’t have any memory of being in Mexico?  That is what happened to a young Oregon boy who was deported when he went to Arizona and found out he was here illegally.  He didnt even know how to write in spanish and he was deported to Mexico.  This is not the American way.  It may be the Republican way, but not the America I know.

  • Anonymous

    Cain also has a radio program but i understand that in a straw poll, you “buy” your voters.

  • Anonymous

    And what was the national debt when Carter left office as compared to Reagan?  Answer:  Reagan DOUBLED the national debt.  Carter:  -0.4%   Reagan:  +40.2%
    What was the unemployment when Carter left office as compared to reagan?  7.5% when Carter left office and 7.3% when Reagan left office.

  • Anonymous

    Cain’s foreign policy is “I can see Cuba from my house”.

  • Anonymous

    They are ignoring any candidate who isn’t really a serious contender.  Cain is not a serious contender.  Put Bachman in that category as well.

  • Anonymous

    Willard’s flip flops on almost any subject will be fodder for a lot of good TV ads.  He was for safe abortions before he was against them.  He was for mandated healthcare before he was against it.  He was for environmental protection before he was against it.  Gees- a lot of good TV ad stuff in his own words.  Each and everyone of the Republican candidates have their own flip flops that can come back to bite them in a general election big time. And that includes Herman Cain who believes that if your 12 year old daughter is raped, she shouldn’t even be given the morning after pill and certainly not an abortion to eliminate the fetus of a rapist.  If you think women, even Republicans, out there will support that kind of thinking, you are mistaken.

  • Anonymous

    The religious right will probably stay home rather than vote for Willard who is a Mormon.  that will leave the decison to the mostly sane people then.

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