Does anybody hear that?

That’s the sound of a deflating poll bounce…

Sorry Jon, but I’ll call bullshit on your story. Fox also had on many other family members to tell their stories as well; just because Debra has always been a strong proponent of the CIA and the use of harsh interrogation doesn’t make FOX stand on one side of the fence or the other. Thank God FNC had her on the air, I doubt MSNBC had her on. On FNC you got more than one side of the story because you had those who praised the President and those who questioned him. I call it fair and balanced.

Obama’s “most ardent critics”

Even 9/11 families use the attacks to make political points. I’ll get blasted for saying so but it’s a fact. They’re political just like the rest of us.

Good thing Barack forgot his purse in the limo. If he’d not it sounds as though the little pussey would have taken a swing at her.

Debra has been an excellent spokesperson for a long time . More power to her .

Ever notice when any woman is truly dedicated to a cause she believes in , how relentless she can be ?
Impressive .

Another good example of how Mediaite acts as the Democrats personal attack dogs. When has Mediaite called anything Obama has done, “playing politics”. No, they save that sort of rhetoric for Obama’s critics.

Yes, Mr. Beamer was also on FNC today and he comaplined, rightly so I might add, that Obama is making it too much about him; as with his speech this weekend, when the use of the I word, made a lot of people sit up and say huh? OBL was captured because of every policy put in place by Bush that Obama campaigned against, but as President smartened up and endorsed, and yet he was ttoo ego-centric to ever share that acknowledgement. He and his media sychophants are making it all about him, and they are making a big mistake in doing so.

CAINtheBULL said:
Obama’s “most ardent critics” Even 9/11 families use the attacks to make political points. I’ll get blasted for saying so but it’s a fact. They’re political just like the rest of us.

Your are right…remember the Jersey Girls?

Fox News is a disgrace.

Barack Must Go said:
Good thing Barack forgot his purse in the limo. If he’d not it sounds as though the little pussey would have taken a swing at her.

I think you need your prescription filled. XD

TfT said:
Sorry Jon, but I’ll call bullshit on your story. Fox also had on many other family members to tell their stories as well; just because Debra has always been a strong proponent of the CIA and the use of harsh interrogation doesn’t make FOX stand on one side of the fence or the other. Thank God FNC had her on the air, I doubt MSNBC had her on. On FNC you got more than one side of the story because you had those who praised the President and those who questioned him. I call it fair and balanced.

like who? Oreilly? cable news in general is a joke, there’s no fair and balanced station get that out of your head.

It’s so unusual to see a dumb blond bitch interviewing another dumb bitch. I don’t care what Obama said to her. How about bringing someone on that thought the meeting was great?

TfT said:
? OBL was captured because of every policy put in place by Bush that Obama campaigned against, but as President smartened up and endorsed, and yet he was ttoo ego-centric to ever share that acknowledgement. He and his media sychophants are making it all about him, and they are making a big mistake in doing so.

wait so bush didn’t get us into a useless war in Iraq instead of in afghanistan where we should’ve been more focused? Man you rightys sure love rewriting history.

FoxNews covered today’s Ground Zero event disgracefully.

Even every guest that they invited was pushed to have a negative slant on today’s event.

Fox news was just trying to exploit this story for political gain.

Nationman said:
wait so bush didn’t get us into a useless war in Iraq instead of in afghanistan where we should’ve been more focused? Man you rightys sure love rewriting history.

If Obama had been president and not Bush, Osama would have been dead 10 years ago.

Snowspot said:
If Obama had been president and not Bush, Osama would have been dead 10 years ago.

in all likelyhood, yep.

You have to expect an organization like Fox to somehow turn this into a political issue. It’s not unexpected but still rather pathetic and transparent.

Don’t talk to me about rewriting history nationman. You leftieslove to lie about Bush so you can follow your cult leader, your obamasiah.

he politicized this event today as he will tomorrow as well.

This woman clearly didn’t know what the hell she was talking about. The President was right! She seems to confuse this administration with Bush’s where lawlessness was the order of the day from dodging Bin Laden to go into Iraq for non existent WMD’s, to politicizing his Justice Department. I don’t have any sympathy for a woman who doesn’t know and wasn’t told by fox that WATERBOARDING IS TORTURE according to the Geneva Convention. This country prosecuted the Japanese for doing the very thing she’s suggesting. Fox simply found an ignorant and disgruntled family member who votes Republican to do what they do all day long on fox….trash the President who actually got Bin Laden when Bush gave up looking in March of 2002. Tell me, did they show her the footage of Bush saying he didn’t spend much time thinking about Bin Laden? Of course they didn’t! I’m still waiting for that clip to be posted here. I won’t hold my breath. Actually, I’ll do you one better…pass this onto the frauds at faux news! Oh, and maybe Debra Burlingame should take a civics class because she’s clueless on the way our government works so, she loses any sympathy I would have had for her. She’s just another dumbass who watches fox and parrots their bullshit! Those of you trying to give Bush credit should watch this clip and deal with the facts! If torture worked then why did it take until now? Just 3 people were waterboarded in 2003 and not one of them gave up the correct name of the courrier. They stopped waterboarding in 2005 which was the same year Bush disbanded the unit that was supposed to get Bin Laden Deal with that! Debra Burlingame is a moron!

http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2011/05/flashback_i_don.html

TfT said:
Don’t talk to me about rewriting history nationman. You leftieslove to lie about Bush so you can follow your cult leader, your obamasiah. he politicized this event today as he will tomorrow as well.

I guess your right, bush must have done tons of work like losing osama at tora bora.

Snowspot said:
If Obama had been president and not Bush, Osama would have been dead 10 years ago.

I always wondered why when Osama was in Tora Bora and the military ask for reinforcements Bush said no. Maybe he needed him to live for the war to continue.

FOX NEWS: Delivering Right-wing talking points to it’s brainwashed viewers 24/7, no matter what the story.

We Liberals are just thrilled that the wingnuts are unhinged about the fact that a Democratic President caught this monster. It’s really hilarious how ticked off many of you are as evidenced by some of the stupid comments posted all over the internet. I’m loving it!

Glenn Beck: “I hate 9/11 victims families for asking questions“

Debra started off the interview with all praise for the group and Obama being sooooo down to earth. It was only AFTER she asked him about rethinking his position on investigating the CIA and their tactics….HE TURNED AND WALKED AWAY. Poor baby, someone was in attendance who didn’t agree with him !!

Bush didn’t look too please when asked about Bin Laden in that March 2002 clip I posted above either. Did you notice how annoyed he looked? Unbelievable!

Oops.. bad link last time.

Glenn Beck: “I hate 9/11 victims families for asking questions”

Georgia999 said:
Debra started off the interview with all praise for the group and Obama being sooooo down to earth. It was only AFTER she asked him about rethinking his position on investigating the CIA and their tactics….HE TURNED AND WALKED AWAY. Poor baby, someone was in attendance who didn’t agree with him !!

No, someone was in attendence who didn’t know that what she was asking was illegal. You do know that it’s not legal right? The woman is an idiot!

roxsteady said:
bullshit

roxsteady said:
moron!

Eric said:
a dumb blond bitch

Eric said:
another dumb bitch

roxsteady said:
dumbass

Personally, I’m glad he just walked away. Don’t you think it was inappropriate? He wasn’t there for a townhall. She didn’t kow her place so, the President dismissed her. Bravo!

“Playing Politics: 9/11 Widow Describes Slightly Contentious Meeting With Obama On Fox News”

It was her brother Charles the pilot that died in the 9/11 thus she is not a Widow of 9/11 she is a sister.

You started out with an obvious error, which you would have noticed if you had listened to the video you posted.

Sorry, she didn’t KNOW her place! And yes, I think she’s an idiot! How is it she doesn’t know that torture is illegal?

First and foremost I am very sorry she lost her brother in 9/11. Had I lost a love one I may feel and take a harder line on this issue. This is just like Fox, however, to pull someone out of the crowd that so strongly supports their cause. Almost every Fox commentator have had Debra Burlingame on their show for sometime now. We know her views and she has a right to them. “Enhanced interrogation techniques” is really torture and what I refer mainly to is “water broading” is against the Geneva Convention. The Geneva Convention reads:

“ Protected persons are entitled, in all circumstances, to respect for their persons, their honour, their family rights, their religious convictions and practices, and their manners and customs. They shall, at all times, be humanely treated, and shall be protected, especially against all acts of violence or threats thereof and against insults and public curiosity. Women shall be especially protected against any attack on their honour, in particular against rape, enforced prostitution, or any form of indecent assault. Without prejudice to the provisions relating to their state of health, age and sex, all protected persons shall be treated with the same consideration by the Party to the conflict in whose power they are, without any adverse distinction based, in particular, on race, religion or political opinion. However, the Parties to the conflict may take such measures of control and security in regard to protected persons as may be necessary as a result of the war.”

I’m sorry, but I agree with Mediate on this one.

skoorbekim said:
Does anybody hear that? That’s the sound of a deflating poll bounce…

YES!!!!!!!!111 This interview will ENSURE an 0bamessiah DEFEAT in 2012!!!!!!!!11

Those of you who want to excoriate Debra Burlinggame, Fox and George Bush might consider the hypocrisy of your position. Though it won’t matter one iota to you. The man you elected (thank goodness I saw the light before I actually voted for this doofus) just sent a “kill team” into another sovereign nation without the consent of that nation and executed an unarmed terrorist, rather than bringing his live body into custody so that he could be interrogated, tried and punishment meted out. Either check your outrage at the door or keep your thoughts to yourself.

so a woman becomes a widow when her brother dies? how did nobody catch this?

roxsteady says:

Sorry, she didn’t KNOW her place! And yes, I think she’s an idiot! How is it she doesn’t know that torture is illegal

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“she didn’t KNOW her place!”

Exactly where is her place, right next to you licking the soles of Obama shoes?

He is not above her or anyone else. Obama has a temporary job which the American people have given him for four years. He deserves respect yes, but not blind shoe licking sycophants like yourself.

TillieGlockenspiel said:
Those of you who want to excoriate Debra Burlinggame, Fox and George Bush might consider the hypocrisy of your position. Though it won’t matter one iota to you. The man you elected (thank goodness I saw the light before I actually voted for this doofus) just sent a “kill team” into another sovereign nation without the consent of that nation and executed an unarmed terrorist, rather than bringing his live body into custody so that he could be interrogated, tried and punishment meted out. Either check your outrage at the door or keep your thoughts to yourself.

You really think Pakistan had no idea America was there? lol.. you’re just naive or making up the narrative in your head, I can’t tell.

roxsteady said:
so, the President dismissed her

roxsteady said:
she didn’t KNOW her place

The President is a public servant , not a king .

roxsteady said:
Personally, I’m glad he just walked away. Don’t you think it was inappropriate? He wasn’t there for a townhall. She didn’t kow her place so, the President dismissed her. Bravo!

At least President Obama had enough class not to give the lady President Bush’s infamous “Who cares what you think” brush=off.

President Bush didn’t even have the class and grace to show up.

TillieGlockenspiel said:
Those of you who want to excoriate Debra Burlinggame, Fox and George Bush might consider the hypocrisy of your position. Though it won’t matter one iota to you. The man you elected (thank goodness I saw the light before I actually voted for this doofus) just sent a “kill team” into another sovereign nation without the consent of that nation and executed an unarmed terrorist, rather than bringing his live body into custody so that he could be interrogated, tried and punishment meted out. Either check your outrage at the door or keep your thoughts to yourself.

I think Bush did the same thing in Iraq and then he had to prance around on that aircraft carrier. I’m not an Obama supporter, but at least he killed the most wanted terrorist. What really hurts is that Bush gave up after 6 months and said he could careless about Osama.

The Lantern of Truth said:
The President is a public servant , not a king .

God you should like Hannity those the exact words he used last night.

The Lantern of Truth said:
The President is a public servant , not a king .

The guy on the freeway putting trash in a bag is a public servant too, so is an honorable judge. Your argument doesn’t really make sense because there are so many kinds of public servants, even the military, and if they dismissed me I would go and fast and people like you wouldn’t say anything.

In truth the president has more authority than a general or anything like that, Obama is the commander and chief of the armed forces, don’t forget it.

i’m glad a got a thumbs down for reporting an error that is in both the headline and the article. i knew there was a reason i’ve stayed away from this site. lol

razor419 said:
so a woman becomes a widow when her brother dies? how did nobody catch this?

Only in deep DEEP red states.

honestly I think it was inappropriate, not the place or time for that conversation. Respect the office, foxnews would say the same thing if it happened to a conservative president.

Was this article written by an Obama press agent? Maybe not. It may just have been written a democrat precinct committeeman.

The Right is doing the same thing the Left would have did if Bush had sent the Navy Seal team into Pakistan (an Ally) without their consent and killed Bin Laden. The left said everything Bush did after 9/11 was political. Well everything a President does is political Democrat or Republican. It all comes down to one thing we got Bin Laden, should he have been taken alive? In my opinion yes, but I wasn’t there so I can’t really condemn President Obama nor the Navy Seals. Just like I didn’t agree with everything Bush did. Obama didn’t go to NY to answer a bunch of questions about the Attorney General. Fox and MSNBC are both overly biased, but that is fine because it keeps us honest.

Brian K. Withers said:
. Obama didn’t go to NY to answer a bunch of questions about the Attorney General. Fox and MSNBC are both overly biased, but that is fine because it keeps us honest.

how?

It keeps the Government honest and the government is We The People of The United States of America.

razor419 said:
i’m glad a got a thumbs down for reporting an error that is in both the headline and the article. i knew there was a reason i’ve stayed away from this site. lol

I like to apologize if I gave you a thumbs down by mistake. I don’t usually click on thumbs, but sometimes I click on them by mistake.

Brian K. Withers said:
It keeps the Government honest and the government is We The People of The United States of America.

bias keeps us honest?

The Lantern of Truth said:
The President is a public servant , not a king .

The President is constrained by law from interfering with the actions of the AG.
Do you forget Fredo, oops, Alberto Gonzales, trying to get Ashcroft to okay things while he was in his hospital bed?

Jon Bershad is incompetent. Ms. Burlingame is not a 9-11 widow. She is the sister of the pilot whose plane crashed into the Pentagon.

Just like the Gabby Giffords shooting, Team Obama is trying to milk this for all it’s worth. Only Obama would have turned a memorial service (like the one in Arizona) into a campaign rally with signs and tee-shirts,

@ Nationman: The press is the fourth branch of government it keeps the government in check. Would you want a state run press. The press has alway been biased going back to the founding of the country. Biased press started the revolution and biased press freed the slaves.

So does Glen Beck still really hate the 9/11 victim families or not?

Fox didn’t say.

of course, because only the “hard left” cares about the fact that our former president authorized TORTURE.

lol

do the editors at mediate not have the courage to call it TORTURE?

of course, if bin laden waterboarded general patreus, they’d call it torture.

darladoon said:
of course, because only the “hard left” cares about the fact that our former president authorized TORTURE. lol

and this one ordered murder so what?

I really dont understand the right on this at all. One of the things your guys keeps saying is Obama has been making this all about himself. What the hell are you talking about? Because he used I alot in his speech? Because he is going to ground zero a week after we killed the guy who planned ground zero to help with some closure? This is just incredible! You guys are trying to gut this president no matter what,you just dont care. Bush landed on a freaking aircraft carrier with his dopey flight suit on walking around like world war 2 was over, and a huge MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner in the back when the iraq war had barely begun. You guys have the balls to condem Obama for what has been in my opinion a pretty humble reaction to this great event, yet give Bush a pass for strutting around an aircraft carrier with a cod piece when there still thousands of soldiers who were going to be killed and wounded and the war was not even close to being done. I just am amazed at this and sick.

And i use to think the left hated Bush way more than the right hates Obama, but honestly I dont think thats the case anymore, not after this reaction.

Brian Cunningham said:
Jon Bershad is incompetent. Ms. Burlingame is not a 9-11 widow. She is the sister of the pilot whose plane crashed into the Pentagon. Just like the Gabby Giffords shooting, Team Obama is trying to milk this for all it’s worth. Only Obama would have turned a memorial service (like the one in Arizona) into a campaign rally with signs and tee-shirts,

Aw, how cute are you?

I keep seeing this President guy in his fighter suit on an aircraft carrier standing under a “Mission Accomplished” sign… Not that Bush was trying to milk anything with that stunt. And we all know the mission was soooooo not accomplished. Either Bush is being classy by not coming to Ground Zero today or being a petulant little man. I’m going for petulant since Laura is the only classy one in that relationship.

And a blonde anchor aghast at Fox News? Isn’t that just par for the course?

roxsteady says:
We Liberals are just thrilled that the wingnuts are unhinged about the fact that a Democratic President caught this monster. It’s really hilarious how ticked off many of you are as evidenced by some of the stupid comments posted all over the internet. I’m loving it!

Box of Rox, it’s embarrassing how the admin has fumbled this in the aftermath. And we aren’t unhinged at all. We are glad that Obama was able to use the tactics he once abhored, that were put in place by Bush, to find Bin Laden. The best past, aside from sending BL straight to Hell, is watching you libs twist yourselves into pretzels praising Obama for doing things you’ve always opposed. It’s truly amusing.

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
FOX NEWS: Delivering Right-wing talking points to it’s brainwashed viewers 24/7, no matter what the story.

You forgot your “tora bora” talking point, dummie.

Playing politics? Go to http://www.gutsycall.com

Have a bucket handy.

insideguy said:
I really dont understand the right on this at all. One of the things your guys keeps saying is Obama has been making this all about himself. What the hell are you talking about?

^^^^Click that link.^^^^

darladoon said:
do the editors at mediate not have the courage to call it TORTURE?

of course, if bin laden waterboarded general patreus, they’d call it torture.

If bin Ladin had his hands on the good General, he’d soon be a headless General. That’s how they roll.

Brian K. Withers said:
The Right is doing the same thing the Left would have did if Bush had sent the Navy Seal team into Pakistan (an Ally) without their consent and killed Bin Laden.

Not really. I don’t fault Obama for taking bin Ladin out. I applaud it. What I’m looking for is some intellectual honesty and ideological consistency from those we all know would be beside themselves with rage had Bush done it. People who decide whether fighting wars is good or bad depending on what party the POTUS belongs to are bad for America.

I disagree with the vast majority of Obama’s policies, but not this one. Now if he could follow it up with some dignity and messaging competence, I’d like that too.

Pablo of course there are politics involved. Every president uses good things that happen during his administration as a positive, and ignores the bad things that happen. All presidents do this. Do you remember the HE Kept us Safe ads from Bush? Was that not using something that he felt went right during his admin to his political advantage? My point is that the level of hate for this president is beyond belief and Fox cherry picking 9/11 family members whom they know dislike Obama steer this into an overtly political hack job is really just one work. SAD

word that is:)

I’m sorry this woman’s brother died as well as the nearly 3000 other victims of 9-11, but she is one angry, bitter bitch whose wrath is clearly misaimed.

Mia Kulper said:
So does Glen Beck still really hate the 9/11 victim families or not?

After you admitted to being part of an Internet Aryan Nation group, anything else you say is pretty meaningless, don’t you think?

insideguy said:
I really dont understand the right on this at all. One of the things your guys keeps saying is Obama has been making this all about himself. What the hell are you talking about? Because he used I alot in his speech? Because he is going to ground zero a week after we killed the guy who planned ground zero to help with some closure? This is just incredible! You guys are trying to gut this president no matter what,you just dont care. Bush landed on a freaking aircraft carrier with his dopey flight suit on walking around like world war 2 was over, and a huge MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner in the back when the iraq war had barely begun. You guys have the balls to condem Obama for what has been in my opinion a pretty humble reaction to this great event, yet give Bush a pass for strutting around an aircraft carrier with a cod piece when there still thousands of soldiers who were going to be killed and wounded and the war was not even close to being done. I just am amazed at this and sick.

You do realize the sign was not about Bush – the sign was made by the guys on the aircraft carrier about themselves accomplishing their mission. You do realize that because you keep yourself informed right?

I’m sure you realize all that and being a well informed politically involved person, you made sure you had all your facts correct before you posted. I’m sure – so you must be sick because you have the flu. I suggest you take an asprin and go to bed early.

Brian K. Withers said:
@ Nationman: The press is the fourth branch of government it keeps the government in check. Would you want a state run press. The press has alway been biased going back to the founding of the country. Biased press started the revolution and biased press freed the slaves.

Fox news is not there to keep the government in check. It is there to support the Republican campaign for presidency.

I dont care who made the sign. The fact is that it was an overtly political event landing on that carrier and walking around in a flight suit. Far more political than Obama paying a low key visit to ground zero after the worlds most wanted man has been caught and killed.

and honestly seek I think your missing the point of my post, sorry if its to deep for ya. The sign wasnt the point. Can you even admit that what bush did was stupid? I dont think you can.

insideguy said:
I dont care who made the sign. The fact is that it was an overtly political event landing on that carrier and walking around in a flight suit. Far more political than Obama paying a low key visit to ground zero after the worlds most wanted man has been caught and killed.

I say, let the people of NY enjoy the visit, the victory, and express their positive feelings for their president.

seek said:
You do realize the sign was not about Bush – the sign was made by the guys on the aircraft carrier about themselves accomplishing their mission. You do realize that because you keep yourself informed right?

I’m sure you realize all that and being a well informed politically involved person, you made sure you had all your facts correct before you posted. I’m sure – so you must be sick because you have the flu. I suggest you take an asprin and go to bed early.

You do realize that the carrier was made to linger off-shore for 34 hours so that W. could fly out to it on the COD, don’t you? The crew were due in port the day before the “speech”, but had to wait for W.

skyfet said:
Fox News is a disgrace.

Did your keyboard lock up?

JON BERSHAD SAID:

“MSNBC seemed thrilled as they eagerly discussed how the visit would totally show up tonight’s Republican debate. Meanwhile, Fox News was less enchanted. ”

I would be shocked to learn that MSNBC had any coverage of today’s Ground Zero events that were less then complimentary and sometimes bordering on adulation.

I would be equally shocked to learn that FOX did not have coverage that was a counterbalance to this and featured some who praised BHO.

TfT said:
Sorry Jon, but I’ll call bullshit on your story. Fox also had on many other family members to tell their stories as well; just because Debra has always been a strong proponent of the CIA and the use of harsh interrogation doesn’t make FOX stand on one side of the fence or the other. Thank God FNC had her on the air, I doubt MSNBC had her on. On FNC you got more than one side of the story because you had those who praised the President and those who questioned him. I call it fair and balanced.

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I went straight from Jon’s article to my comment above without reading the comments here or, unusual for me, having watched very very little news today.

insideguy said:
Because he is going to ground zero a week after we killed the guy who planned ground zero to help with some closure?

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Well, compared to his previous visits as POTUS to Ground Zer…………..

Oh, I forgot for a second. This is his first day.

But then he did honor 911 last year……………………….

Oh, I forgot. He honored “National Service” by proclaiming 911 to be a Day of National Service.

For my part I see this today as opportunity he took based on the total contrast with his past behavior re 911 since he became POTUS.

Mia Kulper said:
So does Glen Beck still really hate the 9/11 victim families or not?

Fox didn’t say.

winning said:
After you admitted to being part of an Internet Aryan Nation group, anything else you say is pretty meaningless, don’t you think?

Why would you make up a bizarre smear like that about me?

Is it because you don’t believe that Glen Beck said he hates the 9/11 victim families? I don’t blame you, but he did. Listen:

Mia Kulper said:
Glenn Beck: “I hate 9/11 victims families for asking questions”

That is the kind of crazy fever swamp you Teabaggers wallow in.

Grammie said:
Well, compared to his previous visits as POTUS to Ground Zer…………..

Oh, I forgot for a second. This is his first day.

What about the other time he visited ground zero?

insideguy said:
Bush landed on a freaking aircraft carrier with his dopey flight suit on walking around like world war 2 was over, and a huge MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner in the back when the iraq war had barely begun

Yes, he landed on the flight deck in a, gasp, mandatory flight suit, but did not go stand under that sign in the mandatory flight suit. Troop morale boost from the CIC, it was a great day for all onboard that carrier. His speech was on the deck well below the banner, but of course the media wanted that banner in their photos.

Major combat had ended at that point in time, all the shock and awe stuff was heading home, but as President Bush made clear in that speech aboard that carrier, there was still much hard work ahead.

Homeward bound banners are a tradition but the crew wanted their return to be quite an extravaganza after spending time at sea fighting in both Afghanistan and Iraq, they requested the mission accomplished banner from:

Scott Sforza flew out to the USS Lincoln five days before the speech. Sforza was the White House’s in-house producer.

In the course of his labors, Sforza became quite taken with the crew. When they mentioned to the White House aide that they would like to emblazon the stage with a banner reading MISSION ACCOMPLISHED so as to send up a victorious signal to their families and Navy buddies, Sforza loved the spirit of it and was effusive in his pitch to Fleischer, Bartlett, and the others. By conference call, they mused among themselves: Could the slogan backfire? But Fleischer reminded the others that the press had been haranguing Bush to declare an end to major combat operations for weeks now. The press shop gave Sforza the green light.

Homeward bound banners:

San Diego, Calif., May 2, 2003 — Flying her “Homeward Bound” pennant and displaying a banner reading “Mission Accomplished,” USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) steams into San Diego Harbor for a stop prior to returning to her homeport of Everett, Wash., following a nearly 10-month deployment in support of Operations Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom. Abraham Lincoln would disembark Carrier Air Wing Fourteen (CVW-14) personnel in San Diego and was scheduled to reach homeport on May 6, marking 286 days away.

The homeward bound pennant is a Navy tradition, dating back to the days of sail. It is flown on the last leg of her homebound voyage by a ship that has been overseas for nine months or more, prior to arrival at the first U.S. port. The length is one foot for each person, officer or crew, who has been aboard for 9 months or more, providing the length does not exceed the ship’s length. On arrival in homeport, the pennant is cut up. The blue is presented to the captain, and the remainder is divided among the men. U.S. Navy photo by Senior Chief Photographer’s Mate Mahlon K. Miller. [030502-N-0226M-003].

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/72a.htm

Brian K. Withers said:
@ Nationman: The press is the fourth branch of government it keeps the government in check. Would you want a state run press. The press has alway been biased going back to the founding of the country. Biased press started the revolution and biased press freed the slaves.

so you’re essentially saying professionalism in journalism is stupid. Good to know

Truth said:
First and foremost I am very sorry she lost her brother in 9/11. Had I lost a love one I may feel and take a harder line on this issue. This is just like Fox, however, to pull someone out of the crowd that so strongly supports their cause. Almost every Fox commentator have had Debra Burlingame on their show for sometime now. We know her views and she has a right to them. “Enhanced interrogation techniques” is really torture and what I refer mainly to is “water broading” is against the Geneva Convention. The Geneva Convention reads: “ Protected persons are entitled, in all circumstances, to respect for their persons, their honour, their family rights, their religious convictions and practices, and their manners and customs. They shall, at all times, be humanely treated, and shall be protected, especially against all acts of violence or threats thereof and against insults and public curiosity. Women shall be especially protected against any attack on their honour, in particular against rape, enforced prostitution, or any form of indecent assault. Without prejudice to the provisions relating to their state of health, age and sex, all protected persons shall be treated with the same consideration by the Party to the conflict in whose power they are, without any adverse distinction based, in particular, on race, religion or political opinion. However, the Parties to the conflict may take such measures of control and security in regard to protected persons as may be necessary as a result of the war.” I’m sorry, but I agree with Mediate on this one.

Wait a minute, you are going to quote the Geneva Convention with regards to a protected person and not define a protected person? Hmm That’s Iffy at best.

Article 4 defines who is a Protected person: Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals. But it explicitly excludes Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention and the citizens of a neutral state or an allied state if that state has normal diplomatic relations within the State in whose hands they are.

In other words terrorists are not party to the Geneva Convention because they are not protected EXPLICITELY because they are not signatories to the GC nor do they conduct themselves IAW the GC because they target civilians and murder etc. You see that you chose to pick your article but not it’s application. Additionally we have signed but not ratified protocol 1 and 2 so there is alot of iffy stuff there. I would recommend you read the document’s before accepting the talking points of one party over another. On another note if the internment of these “people” is so deplorable during the Bush administration, why is it not worthy of protest under the current one? They are still doing the same things they did back then it’s just not a big issue with you guys any more.

laziter said:
In other words terrorists are not party to the Geneva Convention…

That doesn’t really matter, since WE ratified it, we are bound by it and it our law.

There is nothing there that allows us to inflict torture on ANYBODY for any reason.

Losers watch Fox. It is not journalism. Torture is illegal for a reason. It did not get the info. Time to grow the hell up. Debra Burlingame loves torture.

laziter said:
On another note if the internment of these “people” is so deplorable during the Bush administration, why is it not worthy of protest under the current one? They are still doing the same things they did back then it’s just not a big issue with you guys any more.

It isn’t that it’s not a big issue, it’s that the protestors have pretty much given up after years of trying to make change. Once it became clear that Obama was going to continue Bush policies, most on the left just shrugged and gave up. That’s my assessment anyway. Probably pretty accurate.

Mia Kulper said:
What about the other time he visited ground zero?

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As POTUS?

Citation please!

I guess I don’t follow what your criticism is here. Is it that President Obama has only been to the ground zero site twice?

If that really matters somehow then can I ask you how many times President Bush visited ground zero, aside of his visit on 9/14/01?

To the best of my memory GWB visited for the 5 year anniversary that included the Pentagon and Pennsylvania. His trip was made, as the upcoming one for the 10 yr anniversary will be, in the normal course of events.

“The White House is hoping that yesterday’s visit, to be followed today by breakfast with New York City firefighters and wreath-laying ceremonies in Shanksville, Pa., and at the Pentagon, and then a prime-time Oval Office address, helps the president recapture that less divisive time. *

Vowing that he was ”never going to forget the lessons of that day,” President Bush paid tribute last night to the victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack, laying wreaths at ground zero, attending a prayer service at St. Paul’s Chapel and making a surprise stop at a firehouse and a memorial museum overlooking the vast gash in the ground where the twin towers once stood.”

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F05E7DF1531F932A2575AC0A9609C8B63&pagewanted=all

BHO, as I remember, visited the site only when campaigning for the Presidency.

GWB and Mrs Bush visited the Pentagon and Shanksville several times, sometimes separating, but always for commemorative purposes.

BHO seems to have never visited Shanksville and the Pentagon only once at which time he named it the Day of National Service.

My point is that I think BHO treats it more as a prop rather than a place to leave politics at home and simply honor and mourn and unite the country in that. This is what sealed the deal for me:

“Mr. Obama misunderstands all this. He tells Steve Croft Sunday on Sixty Minutes that showing photos of the dead Osama would be to “spike the football.” “We don’t trot this stuff out as trophies.” Trophies? Who does he think we are?”.

http://peggynoonan.com/

IOW, I think Ground Zero became his Trophy Case.

As always, any interpretation of motive and intent is speculative and based at least as much on the speculator as the facts as they are. I first became aware of BHO when he spoke at the Dem Nat’l Convention in 2004. My initial impression was that he was attractive, likable, a gifted speaker long on rhetoric and short on specifics. By the time he won the election I thought we really didn’t have a clue who he was at his core but hoped that he would prove to be more like WJC than many that he associated himself with but seemed to disavow that he had.

I’ve had my answer. I admit that I deeply distrust him. I discount what HE SAYS and only pay attention to what HE DOES as on this.

*The rhetoric is optional but I present it as his itinerary.

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Grammie said:
To the best of my memory GWB visited for the 5 year anniversary that included the Pentagon and Pennsylvania. His trip was made, as the upcoming one for the 10 yr anniversary will be, in the normal course of events.

For all practical purposes it seems that both Presidents Bush and Obama visited the sites about the same number of times and the issue comes down to the perceived motives of each man, as you say. I don’t see that as a productive debate for us to have either.

Grammie said:
http://peggynoonan.com/

But to be perfectly honest with you, I can’t put any stock into Peggy Noonan’s opinion pieces. She was a good speechwriter in her day but she’s a bit flighty for my taste.

Grammie said:
I first became aware of BHO when he spoke at the Dem Nat’l Convention in 2004. My initial impression was that he was attractive, likable, a gifted speaker long on rhetoric and short on specifics. By the time he won the election I thought we really didn’t have a clue who he was at his core but hoped that he would prove to be more like WJC than many that he associated himself with but seemed to disavow that he had.

I had scarcely even heard of Barak Obama before the 2008 primary season began and I was pretty sure that Hillary Clinton would get the DNC nomination.

And when it came into doubt I was dismayed that the Democrats would actually nominate a guy with the names “Hussein” and Obama. The only worse possible name than that would be Saddam Osama for crying out loud!

Yet somehow even with that name, Americans actually rejected McCain and Palin and elected a guy who might as well have been named Saddam Hussein. That in itself speaks very badly to the GOP’s nominees, you have to admit.

But I haven’t been entirely pleased with President Obama’s decisions and actions. Thankfully, he seems pretty smart and pretty sharp with an even tempered manner. Given the job at hand and the circumstances we’re in, there’s nobody else I can think of that can do much better, and some can probably do a lot worse.

The most popular guy at the picnic? Geeee, it’s almost like he’d be a guy you’d like to play basket-ball with, and go to concerts, and jet around the country with, and any number of things that mean NOTHING! The point is, he’s inept at being a president!! I could give a rat’s ass about his popularity at party’s and get-togethers.

laziter said:
Wait a minute, you are going to quote the Geneva Convention with regards to a protected person and not define a protected person? Hmm That’s Iffy at best.

Article 4 defines who is a Protected person: Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals. But it explicitly excludes Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention and the citizens of a neutral state or an allied state if that state has normal diplomatic relations within the State in whose hands they are.

In other words terrorists are not party to the Geneva Convention because they are not protected EXPLICITELY because they are not signatories to the GC nor do they conduct themselves IAW the GC because they target civilians and murder etc. You see that you chose to pick your article but not it’s application. Additionally we have signed but not ratified protocol 1 and 2 so there is alot of iffy stuff there. I would recommend you read the document’s before accepting the talking points of one party over another. On another note if the internment of these “people” is so deplorable during the Bush administration, why is it not worthy of protest under the current one? They are still doing the same things they did back then it’s just not a big issue with you guys any more.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice and read Common Article 2 of Geneva Convention because you would find that it applies in all cases of international conflict, where AT LEAST ONE of the warring nations have ratified the Conventions. The US is a signatory to the GC, so it applies.

Mia Kulper said:
For all practical purposes it seems that both Presidents Bush and Obama visited the sites about the same number of times and the issue comes down to the perceived motives of each man, as you say. I don’t see that as a productive debate for us to have either.

want to run a fact check on this statement?

As to Glen Beck “hating 9/11 families – that is truly the biggest smear campaign ever launched against a t.v. personality and you continue.

Glen Beck was talking about the 10 or so people who were attempting to hold the other families hostage over the government payment. Funny how all records of his complete radio program have been scrubbed and someone had fun spreading the lie. Beck didn’t fight back. He figured people who had heard the program knew exactly what he was talking about. Beck misjudged the dishonesty and persistent witch hunt that the left started.

It is extremely easy to take parts of what someone says and misconstrue them. For heavens sake, just look at some of the headlines that mediaite posts. Completely false. When you read the story you shake your head and wonder what the hell their agenda is.

Want a taste of what Beck was talking about? http://www.911lawhelp.org/info/news/usatoday.htm

Do you truthfully think that Beck, who is a religious man (you might not like his religion) would in any way be against families of 9/11 victims? Seriously?

Do you know how many 9/11 families he’s had on his show? Do you think that any one of them would go on if they felt he hated them? Think about it.

It’s really sad that the internet has allowed the spread of lies and half truths and destroyed people. I think it’s up to you as an individual to search for the truth.

The old saying “a lie can be halfway around the world before the truth has got its boots on” a quote made by James Callaghan from 1976. Well before the internet. Now it would probably be 5 million times around the world before……

The irony is that Obama doesn’t need to draw any attention to himself; he must know he can rely on the msm to do it for him. Obama should be as self-effacing as possible and then wait for the msm to praise him for his humility and then wait for bill maher to call him a soft-spoken, self-effacing gangsta ninja or some such thing.

Mia Kulper said:
For all practical purposes it seems that both Presidents Bush and Obama visited the sites about the same number of times and the issue comes down to the perceived motives of each man, as you say. I don’t see that as a productive debate for us to have either.

seek said:
want to run a fact check on this statement?

Go right ahead. What exactly are you waiting for?

seek said:
As to Glen Beck “hating 9/11 families – that is truly the biggest smear campaign ever launched against a t.v. personality and you continue.

Tell you what kiddo; listen for yourself to Glenn Beck talking about how he’s grown to hate 9/11 victim families. Hint: It’s not a “smear” when it’s true.

seek said:
Glen Beck was talking about the 10 or so people who were attempting to hold the other families hostage over the government payment.

Really? So now you’re arguing that Glenn Beck doesn’t hate ALL the 9/11 victim families, Beck just hates SOME of them. Great distinction.

What I don’t understand is how FOX can pretend to be so “aghast” at the way President Obama politely ended his conversation with their “9/11 widow” yet their own star Glenn Beck from their own network can broadcast that he hates 9/11 victims families but that doesn’t even get a mention from FOX.

They’re really desperate.

PS- That always kills me how the uber wingnuts in the media always whine and complain about being “smeared” when anybody quotes the outrageous things they broadcast, with recordings no less!

Nothing “kills me” mia. You refuse to believe that a smear campaign was launched against Beck. I showed you the truth – it didn’t appeal to you. Didn’t fit your “preconceived notion”. Not only that, but then you went even further and carried on with the lie. Why? Do you think that might define your character? It didn’t get a mention on Fox because it wasn’t true.

Again, Glen Beck had a program where he couldn’t believe what some family members (most of them distant) were putting the majority of 9/11 families through. That is not nearly as sensational as taking Beck’s sound bite out of context and spreading it over and over again. He even said during same sound bite that he was referring to 10 or less people. Ahh but then how would the story fit your maligning nature? Beck cared about what those poor people were going through.

You and I both know where money, especially big money is concerned that it brings out the worst in people. Heavens, it happens in families when a loved one dies, so we can’t be surprised. Dishonest people will do anything to try to get their hands on money that doesn’t rightfully belong to them.

I even went further and showed you concrete examples of some of the crazy law suits. You then said “go right ahead what are you waiting for”. In other words, you didn’t read it, didn’t believe it or YOU LIED!

So we’ve established you are a liar.

roxsteady said:
Personally, I’m glad he just walked away. Don’t you think it was inappropriate? He wasn’t there for a townhall. She didn’t kow her place so, the President dismissed her. Bravo!

Didn’t know her place? What is her place? Is the President a king now? She didn’t have the right to force him to talk to her, but once he did she had every right to ask the question that she asked? Tell me, roxs, what is your place?

insideguy said:
I dont care who made the sign. The fact is that it was an overtly political event landing on that carrier and walking around in a flight suit. Far more political than Obama paying a low key visit to ground zero after the worlds most wanted man has been caught and killed.

Have you ever rode in the kind of jet that President Bush was in when he landed on that carrier? Do you know what can happen if you don’t wear a flight suit? Do you think they wear them as a costume?

seek said:
I even went further and showed you concrete examples of some of the crazy law suits. You then said “go right ahead what are you waiting for”. In other words, you didn’t read it, didn’t believe it or YOU LIED!
So we’ve established you are a liar.

Well I can either believe you or I can believe Glenn Beck and my own “lying” ears.

Have a listen…

Glenn Beck: “It took me about a year to start hating the 9/11 victims families.” (Youtube link)

Glenn Beck: “When I see 9/11 victim families, you know, on television or whatever, you know, I’m just like Oh.. Shut.. Up..” (Youtube link)

Glenn Beck: “I’m so sick of them [9/11 victim families] because they’re always complaining

Glenn Beck: “I didn’t think I could hate victims faster than the 9/11 victims.

Ouch! But take heart little seeker and don’t be fooled! The real focus of Glenn’s professed “hatred” isn’t about any lawsuits, like you tried to claim. He never mentions any. Perhaps you’re psychic?

In fact if you listen you’ll hear Glenn the only victims he hates MORE than the 9/11 families are “all the scumbags” who got stuck in the massive flooding in Louisiana from Hurricane

Why oh why do people insist on smearing poor Glenn Beck by recording his despicable broadcasts?

Edit: In fact if you listen you’ll hear Glenn say the only victims he hates MORE than the 9/11 families are “all the scumbags” who got stuck in the massive flooding in Louisiana from Hurricane Katrina.

Any bets on how long it will be before Glenn Beck starts calling our Navy Seals “scumbags” for not killing bin Ladin during President Bush’s two terms?