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Rachel Maddow: ‘Coming Out’ Comments Not Meant Towards Anderson Cooper

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In an interview in today’s Guardian, Rachel Maddow urged others in the cable news business who may be gay to come out, citing it as a “responsibility” to the gay community. The comments were reported by Business Insider as a specific direction to CNN’s Anderson Cooper, with the breathless (and erroneous) headline “Maddow To Cooper: ‘You Have A Responsibility To Come Out’ Of The Closet.” Maddow took to her blog to clarify she meant nothing of the sort: “he literally was never discussed during the interview at all — even implicitly.”

Her short note, entitled “Anchors Away,” both clarifies that she did not mean to allude to Cooper at all, nor did she independently believe Cooper had a responsibility to come out as gay. In fact, she appears rather shocked that some made the connection, noting that “media-about-media today notwithstanding, I did not in my interview with The Guardian say anything about or to Mr. Cooper, nor would I.”

That “media about media”? A post by Business Insider post which specifically claimed by the writer Noah Davis that Maddow’s comments were “clearly targeted” towards the CNN anchor. She refutes the claim, adding that, moreover, if she did have something to say about him, she continued, “you wouldn’t have to read between the lines.”

She also handily summarized her philosophy on high profile LGBT commentators:

  1. Gay people — generally speaking — have a responsibility to our own community and to future generations of gay people to come out, if and when we feel that we can.
  2. We should all get to decide for ourselves the “if and when we feel that we can” part of that.
  3. Closeted people should reasonably expect to be outed by other gay people if (and only if) they prey on the gay community in public, but are secretly gay themselves.

This, however, she noted as a completely separate issue from the insinuations that she believed Cooper was doing a disservice to the gay community by not coming out if he was indeed gay. The latter, she concludes, never crossed her mind at all– though now that it’s been mentioned, “nor is it what I believe.”

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  • http://TheDividedStatesBlog.com Publius219

    Wait, Larry Craig is gay?

  • http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-explains-how-the-unions-are-using-teachers-firefighters-and-co ImNotBlue

    Well do tell, Rach… who are you threatening… er, I mean, warning… er, I mean, implying… er, I mean, “talking” about?

  • TfT

    back tracking big time; she must be getting a shitcan of whoopass from a bunch of people.

    And yet, again the veiled threat of outing folks is still right there, front and center.

    If I’m her manager,I’d be putting her in the corner and telling her to stfu.

    Rachel Maddow is threatening to out public folks who are closeted gays. how sad for her.

  • black and WHITE

    I think she’s lying through her beard, but that leaves Barack Obama, Shep Smith, Dylan Ratigan and that dumber than driftwood Contessa Brewer, who talks it up about being married all the time, but has yet to produce a husband…or wife for that matter.

    Really though what difference does it make, since anyone with an ounce of sense knows each and every one of these individuals are gay, just by the way they get all pissy whenever don’t ask, who gives a rat’s rearend or any other gay issue hits the airwaves.

  • Pablo

    The latter, she concludes, never crossed her mind at all– though now that it’s been mentioned, “nor is it what I believe.”

    That’s a lie.

  • catfishjuggling

    Duh.

    It’s Ollie North.

    He’s been dry humping the ghost of Reagan for a generation.

  • Bill Huggins

    black and WHITE said:
    I think she’s lying through her beard, but that leaves Barack Obama, Shep Smith, Dylan Ratigan and that dumber than driftwood Contessa Brewer, who talks it up about being married all the time, but has yet to produce a husband…or wife for that matter.

    Really though what difference does it make, since anyone with an ounce of sense knows each and every one of these individuals are gay, just by the way they get all pissy whenever don’t ask, who gives a rat’s rearend or any other gay issue hits the airwaves.

    Contessa is having a baby. Maybe you missed that headline on Mediaite.

    I assumed Maddow was talking about SEAN VANITY.

  • writer

    I think every news and opinion show host should start the program by saying “By the way, here’s what I like to do in the bedroom.” Get it out of the way.

  • TfT

    She is talking about Elliot Spitzer, Wolf Blitzer, Chris Matthews, Larry O’Donnel and Chuck Todd. Anderson never crossed her mind (yeah, sure, uh huh).

    She is threatening to out whoever it is she was talking about, and the LBGT community ought to tell her to STFU and mind her own business.

    Rachel Maddow making threats to out people, how disgraceful is that anyway?

  • Alice67

    OT ~ Franklin Graham on O’Donnell next.

  • Bill Huggins

    Alice67 said:
    OT ~ Franklin Graham on O’Donnell next.

    NICE. This should be interesting…

  • Alice67

    Looks like i was wrong on that one.

  • murf

    …how can anyone take her serious about what she did or did not mean, after that hysterical lie that MSNBC anchors do not have a political agenda ? Was she asked to clarify that too ? Of course not

  • Alice67

    Bill Huggins said:
    NICE. This should be interesting…

    He had Grover Norquist on tonight too. He gets better quality Righties than Faux news does.

  • NeoKong

    OK…so she wasn’t talking about that gay guy she repeatedly mentioned as not the gay person she was talking about and would never out him….if he was gay.
    Got it.

  • http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

    Apparently Oxford does not teach to stop digging the hole once you are in it. Having made an idiot of herself with the initial comments, she makes it worse by somehow absolving Cooper and loosely threatening to out others. Who knew Maddow was in charge of these things. Must have missed the memo on that.

    black and WHITE said:
    Contessa Brewer, who talks it up about being married all the time, but has yet to produce a husband…or wife for that matter.

    Not only is she pregnant, but she posted photos from her wedding a few years ago. That is exactly the kind of comment that Maddow is wrong to have made, yet here it is being made in response to Maddow digging gherself in deeper.

    Irony. My favorite silliness.

  • Azarkhan

    Her third point is in obvious conflict with her second point. But then logic has never been a strong suit of leftists.

  • Alice67

    Well that was limp.

  • TfT

    Poor Cooper….actually, I think Maddow mentioned him intentionally in order to get his viewers to turn him off — her thinking for sure is that if he can’t be openly honest about himself, he won’t be openly honest about anything he reports on. By doing this, she hopes to take viewers away from Cooper and get them to her gay pal Larry, or something. Bottom line, her comments were not innocent, they are deep seated and indeed threatening. Shame on Rachel.

  • mediadoubt

    She’s trying to walk this back, but she’s not doing an especially good job.

    She shouldn’t have mentioned Cooper at all, just “I wasn’t referring to a specific individual.”

    And her overall position about voluntary or involuntary outing is way too nuanced and — people being people — will likely be misunderstood.

    And even closeted gays who prey on the gay community should not be outed against their will, IMO.

    Not her best day.

  • TillieGlockenspiel

    Rachel, here’s a quarter, call someone who cares!

  • ohwell

    mediadoubt said:
    She’s trying to walk this back, but she’s not doing an especially good job.

    She shouldn’t have mentioned Cooper at all, just “I wasn’t referring to a specific individual.”

    And her overall position about voluntary or involuntary outing is way too nuanced and — people being people — will likely be misunderstood.

    And even closeted gays who prey on the gay community should not be outed against their will, IMO.

    Not her best day.

    Excellent comment, and I totally agree. I think she just made this x100 worse by mentioning Cooper’s name specifically. Good grief, Rachel, what have you done????

  • http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

    Azarkhan said:
    Her third point is in obvious conflict with her second point. But then logic has never been a strong suit of leftists.

    Well, logic is certainly not a major consideration with Maddow.

    You have the right to privacy until someone violates your privacy. Then you have a responsibility to not have that privacy, unless you wanted to retain that privacy, which you are entitled to unless someone else is more entitled to violate it. Of course, if you ask to stop flying, you must be sane since only a crazy person would want to fly these missions.

    Oops. Got my self contradicting stuff mixed up there.

  • LA screenwriter

    TfT said:
    back tracking big time; she must be getting a shitcan of whoopass from a bunch of people.

    And yet, again the veiled threat of outing folks is still right there, front and center.

    If I’m her manager,I’d be putting her in the corner and telling her to stfu.

    I’m sure her manager is giving her the TRADITIONAL business advice to shut up about an issue that ALWAYS divides the public on an emotional level. However, at the same time, I’d be more than willing to bet…given her lifestyle choices and the way SHE chooses to vocalize them…that Maddow is turning right back and saying: “Well, I think they SHOULD come out and that’s MY view. So, screw you. I’m the star…you work for me…and I get to say what I want.” On a business level…even as a host dealing with her own staff, again given her own personal lifestyle choices, I could see her taking that kind of defiant stand.

    But speaking as someone who lives and works in Hollywood, which obviously has a large number of Gay community members in the work force, I’m ALSO willing to bet that this back-trackinig that she seems to be undertaking was inspired MORE by immediate heated feedback from the Gay community itself.

    From my experiences, I’ve met many gay people who’d agree with Maddow that coming out is a sort of “positive image” thing, which the community should have more of — basically to advance their political clout. On the other hand, I’ve probably met more gays who believe their lifestyle choice is a completely PERSONAL choice and it’s NOT anyone else’s business. So, when it comes to doing their jobs — whether they work in the news industry (as Maddow originally cited) or any other aspect of the entertainment world — they should be judged solely on their jobs and nothing else.

    So, more so than hearing from her agent, I’m willing to bet Maddow is REALLY hearing from the gay community itself — and getting an earful — as they basically tell her “Shut up already! We’re happy that you feel you’re a big star now and all, but STOP lecturing the rest us about what we should do. And don’t you DARE even hint about outing anyone, just because YOU lean a certain way politically and YOU want to pursue a particular political agenda. Because IF you ever do that, you’re going to be stunned at how many of us will instantly turn on you.”

  • http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

    ohwell said:
    Excellent comment, and I totally agree. I think she just made this x100 worse by mentioning Cooper’s name specifically. Good grief, Rachel, what have you done????

    Fallen into the politician’s trap. Trying to explain stupid by being stupider.

  • lane

    Maddow’s blog post was selfish. Just stop talking. It’s not her business to talk about Cooper. I think most people assume he is gay, but it’s still his life to disclose or not.

  • ohwell

    Keeva said:
    Fallen into the politician’s trap. Trying to explain stupid by being stupider.

    Yeah definitely, big misstep here by Rachel. Granted, I’m not a big fan of Cooper (don’t like him, don’t hate him), but this is just wrong the way Rachel is tackling this issue. She really needs to take her “rah-rah-rah-I’m-gay” cheerleading and tone it down a bit. She’s a NEWS anchor, not a social activist. Cooper seems to “get it”…why not Rachel??

  • TfT

    Rachel thinks she is bigger than everything/anyone else in her position. Shame on her for jeapordising the privacy of others, and shame on her for pointing the finger at Anderson, then backtracking, and then still threatening to out others.

    What a disgrace to the LBGT; she made it and now she thinks she is queen bee and should decide for others what they should or should not do/say.

    Yuck, what a pig she is.

  • Colorado_Conservative

    I think Maddow is a cute Boi….He gets his facts wrong most days but he is a cute Boi!!!

  • Emma

    I thought she was referring to Shep Smith.

  • StandUp

    Alice67 said:
    OT ~ Franklin Graham on O’Donnell next.

    Bill Huggins said:
    NICE. This should be interesting…

    Alice67 said:
    He had Grover Norquist on tonight too. He gets better quality Righties than Faux news does.

    I can do without the BSNBC updates. If I wanted to know what’s going on there, I would watch. I don’t think I’m alone on this either. I’ll check back later on the thumbs.

  • tiredofbs

    She is referring to Shep Smith. I guess the Fox “‘real lournalism” (my @ss)no opinion-but really,
    full of – my opinion–JournOlister.. isn’t being Progressive enough of late & s/he Maddow
    is outright blackmailing him

    I despise both as News people, tho s/he would make an outrageous Sat-Night Live Character.

    He is the most dishonest ,biggest blowhard/hypocrite alive.

  • redstatekate

    Keep spinning, Maddow. LAME.

  • felixw

    I am no fan of Anderson Cooper, but this coy game by Ms. Maddow — in which she stirs up speculation about Cooper while superficially trying to distance herself from the very speculation she is stirring up — is just another petty example of her digging in people’s garbage when she should focus on national issues of importance. Hey Rachel, how about focusing on the NEWS instead of on the SEX LIVES OF NEWSCASTERS?

    I can’t think of a more over-hyped TV personality than Rachel Maddow, who was billed as a great intellect, but with every passing month acts more and more like Jerry Springer. Whenever she has a choice to address issues or just sling mud, she reaches for the mud.

  • ChrisNH

    This Maddow shrew is brain-dead. Here, she essentially stuck her hand in a garbage disposal and turned it on with the other hand.

    But, I’m quite happy to see her in damage-control mode mere moments after ‘she’ opens her yap.

  • TillieGlockenspiel

    What arrogance! It is none of her business who outs themselves or who doesn’t. Self-righteousness and arrogance!

  • Contessa

    I don’t think she was referring to Cooper, but when he pulls his “keeping THEM honest”, routine, it’s not hard to see him as a complete hypocrite (and coward).

  • KirbbDogg2000

    I only read the the artrce from medaite about the interview she did. It never said anything about Cooper. I think someone is stiring something up. And like I said before it’s not her place to tell anyone in news if there gay they have to come out. That is a personal chouce if anybody regairdless of how high there profile is. she should not try make someone coom out if they don’t want too.

  • laceyunderalls

    She brought this on herself.

    She spends her days and nights lecturing other on the realism of hurtful words. Funny, that.

    Chickens >>> Home >>> Roost. Some assembly required, sweetheart.

  • Group Hug

    Rachel,
    It is becoming obvious to our little group that you are fighting the urge to be straight. It’s hard, we understand. Ernie here (third from right) thought he had a crush on Joey (4th from left) that was until Trixie came into the picture (Dead center baby!) After that well the group went back to just being normal. (Except Ralph, he keeps listening to the village people and has a funny little smile) We introduced him to a friend of Trixie and they are going over to the Warf in Santa Cruz on a double date!
    Again Rachel, don’t fight it girl, you’ll be happier in the long run

    XXOO Group hug

  • Gasket

    I thought she was talking about Sean Hannity. LOL. Seriously, I thought she was talking about M/s Robin Roberts of GMA.

  • Cecelia

    Gays in the media should come out….No, I don’t mean you, Anderson Cooper.

    Oy….

  • Liberal Tormentor

    Alice67 says:
    Looks like i was wrong on that one.

    It happens so often, you must be getting used to it by now.

  • mlb

    If she was speaking in generalities, then why even say it? But she was speaking directly to the cable news industry and it being the responsible action to take, so who else would she be referring to? Unfortunately Ms. Maddow, hasn’t figured out that not all in the gay community want to be defined by their sexual preference, personal lifestyle and fusing their private lives with their public persona. If they owe it to their own community – then keep it there. Talent and success are enough of a definer for most people but apparently she (like a lot of the Left) are comfortable with marginalizing labels, it makes them feel good to be part of a group or… to make fun of another.

  • seek

    It’s truly sad. Hoist by her own petard.

  • TerryDo

    Isn’t there something inherently wrong with her requesting someone else to come out?

    By threatening that person with exposure,if he won’t come out on his own accord, isn’t she in fact saying there is something wrong in being gay, and that you must stand up and confess that fact to everyone?

    And last but not least, is there anyone in America that does not know that Anderson Cooper is gay?

    I guess Rachael was never taught as a kid to play in her own backyard with her own friends.

  • http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

    felixw said:
    I am no fan of Anderson Cooper, but this coy game by Ms. Maddow — in which she stirs up speculation about Cooper while superficially trying to distance herself from the very speculation she is stirring up — is just another petty example of her digging in people’s garbage when she should focus on national issues of importance. Hey Rachel, how about focusing on the NEWS instead of on the SEX LIVES OF NEWSCASTERS?

    Could not agree with you more, felix. How about we stay out of the sex lives of everyone?

  • Arkansas Steve

    ImNotBlue said:
    Well do tell, Rach… who are you threatening… er, I mean, warning… er, I mean, implying… er, I mean, “talking” about?

    You’ve got the right idea about Rachel. I’ve been referring to her as “snake Maddow” for a long time.
    The woman has no class, she just fakes it. MSNBC doesn’t seem to care.

  • IIWII

    I agree with her! I totally agree! All of us should start every post with an identifying comment so the world knows exactly where we stand in our private lives! I will be first, “I (as a heterosexual man) have an opinion on this news story. I (as a man in love with a woman who loves a man) believe that people should be judged by the content of their character and not the choice of their companion. I as a man (who loves women, and how they smell, think, sound, feel…) believe every person who has a point should preface that point by decrying their personal sexual position. ALSO!!!…….. every person should ALWAYS tell everyone they meet their personal proclivities! “Hello, I am a transgender fella/lady and my name is Jane/Jack” or, “Hello, I love little boys, my name is Gary.” Or…. “Hi there big fella! My name is Mindy and I love donkey dances….you??” So to conclude, I (being a male who loves heterosexual women) believe that every person in the world should declare their preference….. just to put the cards on the table. So, I conclude, “I am a man who loves women, and my opinion on any said point is……….”

  • seek

    lol – exactly

  • Yargburger

    What does this have to do with sex lives? It’s not like she talks about what she and her partner does. Being LGBT in this country forces you to live by different rules. Entire families are not legally recognized. It is possible to lose your job and not have any recourse in many jurisdictions. You aren’t able to adopt or be a foster parent to children in need of a home in some locations. She chooses to focus on issues that directly influences her life and those in her community. It would be like complaining that Soledad O’Brien talks about black issues too much. It’s fair that she believes that closeted media personalities should be out in general. Obviously, she thinks Anderson Cooper should, but it was neither directed solely at him nor was it a threat to out him. She’s saying people like Mehlman, Craig, and Foley were/are fair game for outing. It was naive of her to think people wouldn’t immediately think of and try to connect the statement to Cooper. The connection forced her to release a statement that makes her appear hypocritical.

    Those who follow the media care when straight anchors get married or have babies. Why do they have to flaunt their sex lives? I don’t want to think about Megyn Kelly and her partner. Eww. Why couldn’t they just leave their sex life at home and report the news. And calling Maddow a he is so played out and shows the pervasiveness of homophobia in some commenters.

  • Alice67

    TfT said:
    Rachel thinks she is bigger than everything/anyone else in her position. Shame on her for jeapordising the privacy of others, and shame on her for pointing the finger at Anderson, then backtracking, and then still threatening to out others.

    What a disgrace to the LBGT; she made it and now she thinks she is queen bee and should decide for others what they should or should not do/say.

    Yuck, what a pig she is.

    You just come in here and dump all sorts of garbage don’t you? Then try to claim it belongs in someone else’s heart.

  • Alice67

    StandUp said:
    I can do without the BSNBC updates. If I wanted to know what’s going on there, I would watch. I don’t think I’m alone on this either. I’ll check back later on the thumbs.

    Just skip right on by hall monitor. :)

  • Yargburger

    IIWII said:
    I agree with her! I totally agree! All of us should start every post with an identifying comment so the world knows exactly where we stand in our private lives! I will be first, “I (as a heterosexual man) have an opinion on this news story. I (as a man in love with a woman who loves a man) believe that people should be judged by the content of their character and not the choice of their companion. I as a man (who loves women, and how they smell, think, sound, feel…) believe every person who has a point should preface that point by decrying their personal sexual position. ALSO!!!…….. every person should ALWAYS tell everyone they meet their personal proclivities! “Hello, I am a transgender fella/lady and my name is Jane/Jack” or, “Hello, I love little boys, my name is Gary.” Or…. “Hi there big fella! My name is Mindy and I love donkey dances….you??” So to conclude, I (being a male who loves heterosexual women) believe that every person in the world should declare their preference….. just to put the cards on the table. So, I conclude, “I am a man who loves women, and my opinion on any said point is……….”

    My eyes rolled so hard, I now know what my eye sockets look like. I haven’t watched Maddow in a while, but I don’t remember her starting every comment with “as a lesbian…” I hear much more about Maddow’s sexuality from commenters than I do from herself. While you may not say I’m hetero explicitly in what you say to the world. You probably do implicitly announce your sexuality to those around you. “My wife and i…” “Hayley Mills was so hot!” “We’re pregnant!” “She made me tuna salad and included a little note.” Yeah. You’re not saying what you are doing in bed, but people around you know your sexuality.

  • IIWII

    Yargburger said:
    My eyes rolled so hard, I now know what my eye sockets look like. I haven’t watched Maddow in a while, but I don’t remember her starting every comment with “as a lesbian…” I hear much more about Maddow’s sexuality from commenters than I do from herself. While you may not say I’m hetero explicitly in what you say to the world. You probably do implicitly announce your sexuality to those around you. “My wife and i…” “Hayley Mills was so hot!” “We’re pregnant!” “She made me tuna salad and included a little note.” Yeah. You’re not saying what you are doing in bed, but people around you know your sexuality.

    Kekekekekeke… you sir/madam…. are an idiot(s)… Maddow said in the piece she came out early and hard in her college days. AND she said people should proclaim their position so they can make a difference. I have proclaimed my position (I, as a man LOVE women [even when they are crazy]) and yes sir/madam… I have said exactly what I am doing in bed… loving my wife of thirty-two years… and what dame/stud are you currently with? I will wage my last paycheck it has not been 32 years of bliss….. jealous idiot……

  • seek

    IIWII said:
    Kekekekekeke… you sir/madam…. are an idiot(s)… Maddow said in the piece she came out early and hard in her college days. AND she said people should proclaim their position so they can make a difference. I have proclaimed my position (I, as a man LOVE women [even when they are crazy]) and yes sir/madam… I have said exactly what I am doing in bed… loving my wife of thirty-two years… and what dame/stud are you currently with? I will wage my last paycheck it has not been 32 years of bliss….. jealous idiot……

    32 years! Congratulations
    - was it tough walking around with those signs around your neck proclaiming your heterosexuality? Oh, yes, you probably felt it was nobody’s business so you kept your sex life behind closed doors.

    Now, I don’t know if Miss Ellie is trying to tell us something or if she is once again illustrating that she stands for nothing!
    As long as it’s one of her “hero’s” she’ll morally bankrupt herself! The woman stands for anything and nothing as long as a lefty said it. The problem is, she’s not a party of 1.

  • IIWII

    seek said:
    32 years! Congratulations
    - was it tough walking around with those signs around your neck proclaiming your heterosexuality? Oh, yes, you probably felt it was nobody’s business so you kept your sex life behind closed doors.

    lololololol—WRONG AGAIN!!!! hOW DO YOU live WIFF YERSEFF????????????? Missed on so many points… never had a sign around my neck until MADDOW told me I HAD to to make a proclimation. Before Maddow told me I was not doing my duty I just walked through life. Since her comments… she made me realize I HAVE to proclaim and open to the world………. I LOVE WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!….. nice try……. shill…..

  • IIWII

    seek said:
    32 years! Congratulations
    - was it tough walking around with those signs around your neck proclaiming your heterosexuality? Oh, yes, you probably felt it was nobody’s business so you kept your sex life behind closed doors.

    Now, I don’t know if Miss Ellie is trying to tell us something or if she is once again illustrating that she stands for nothing!
    As long as it’s one of her “hero’s” she’ll morally bankrupt herself! The woman stands for anything and nothing as long as a lefty said it. The problem is, she’s not a party of 1.

    I may have misread that last post……… if it was laughing sarcasm… I agree……. it you were attacking me…. I stand true.

  • Dem4Ever

    Wow…Rachel Maddow just outed Anderson Cooper. I agree with her, too…Anderson should come out of the closet. Anderson, you owe it to your gay and lesbian community.

  • Alice67

    TfT said:
    Poor Cooper….actually, I think Maddow mentioned him intentionally in order to get his viewers to turn him off — her thinking for sure is that if he can’t be openly honest about himself, he won’t be openly honest about anything he reports on. By doing this, she hopes to take viewers away from Cooper and get them to her gay pal Larry, or something. Bottom line, her comments were not innocent, they are deep seated and indeed threatening. Shame on Rachel.

    If you actually read the article you’ll see that she did not out anyone Business Insider turned it into Anderson Cooper.

    “The comments were reported by Business Insider as a specific direction to CNN’s Anderson Cooper, with the breathless (and erroneous) headline “Maddow To Cooper: ‘You Have A Responsibility To Come Out’ Of The Closet.”

    She can probably sue for this.

  • WaterLoo

    Alice67 said:
    If you actually read the article you’ll see that she did not out anyone Business Insider turned it into Anderson Cooper. “The comments were reported by Business Insider as a specific direction to CNN’s Anderson Cooper, with the breathless (and erroneous) headline “Maddow To Cooper: ‘You Have A Responsibility To Come Out’ Of The Closet.” She can probably sue for this.

    Anyone with a shred of common sense knows what she was speaking about. Don’t feel bad Alice, this is news to most no one.

  • seek

    IIWII said:
    I may have misread that last post……… if it was laughing sarcasm… I agree……. it you were attacking me…. I stand true.

    Honestly, I wasn’t making fun of you or attacking in any way – it was obviously poorly expressed sarcasm.

    My mind boggles at how people on the left can’t just say – “Well now Rachel, that was a really stupid thing to say and look at the mess you’ve gotten yourself into”. No, instead they turn themselves inside out to justify her stupid/malicious comment. Our resident jellyfish ellie comes to mind. Absolutely spineless.

    Again, congrats on 32 years. I do have you beat but discretion does not allow me to state by how many years! lol

  • mediadoubt

    LA screenwriter said:
    I’m sure her manager is giving her the TRADITIONAL business advice to shut up about an issue that ALWAYS divides the public on an emotional level.

    I basically agree with you, but she wouldn’t have had to hear from more than a handful of people before it became obvious that she’d put her foot in it. I don’t understand why she’s being so clumsy in the walking-back process.

    However, imagining the dialog between her and an imaginary group of her fans, well . . . apparently that’s what you do for a living, so I’ll give you a pass, but I think it’s more likely that she’s — as a conscious, political decision — placed herself in the Out! community that believes staying in the closet is a betrayal of other gay people.

    Arrogant, yes. Diva-like, not so much.

    Of course, I’m just speculating, too.

  • mediadoubt

    IIWII said:
    I agree with her! I totally agree! All of us should start every post with an identifying comment so the world knows exactly where we stand in our private lives! I will be first, “I (as a heterosexual man) have an opinion on this news story. I (as a man in love with a woman who loves a man) believe that people should be judged by the content of their character and not the choice of their companion. I as a man (who loves women, and how they smell, think, sound, feel…) believe every person who has a point should preface that point by decrying their personal sexual position. ALSO!!!…….. every person should ALWAYS tell everyone they meet their personal proclivities! “Hello, I am a transgender fella/lady and my name is Jane/Jack” or, “Hello, I love little boys, my name is Gary.” Or…. “Hi there big fella! My name is Mindy and I love donkey dances….you??” So to conclude, I (being a male who loves heterosexual women) believe that every person in the world should declare their preference….. just to put the cards on the table. So, I conclude, “I am a man who loves women, and my opinion on any said point is……….”

    Tiresome.

  • Alice67

    seek said:
    Now, I don’t know if Miss Ellie is trying to tell us something or if she is once again illustrating that she stands for nothing!
    As long as it’s one of her “hero’s” she’ll morally bankrupt herself! The woman stands for anything and nothing as long as a lefty said it. The problem is, she’s not a party of 1.

    seek said:
    My mind boggles at how people on the left can’t just say – “Well now Rachel, that was a really stupid thing to say and look at the mess you’ve gotten yourself into”. No, instead they turn themselves inside out to justify her stupid/malicious comment. Our resident jellyfish ellie comes to mind. Absolutely spineless.

    I’m really taking up space in your vacant head aren’t I? Tough shit!

  • mediadoubt

    Yargburger said:
    What does this have to do with sex lives? It’s not like she talks about what she and her partner does. Being LGBT in this country forces you to live by different rules. Entire families are not legally recognized. It is possible to lose your job and not have any recourse in many jurisdictions. You aren’t able to adopt or be a foster parent to children in need of a home in some locations. She chooses to focus on issues that directly influences her life and those in her community. It would be like complaining that Soledad O’Brien talks about black issues too much. It’s fair that she believes that closeted media personalities should be out in general. Obviously, she thinks Anderson Cooper should, but it was neither directed solely at him nor was it a threat to out him. She’s saying people like Mehlman, Craig, and Foley were/are fair game for outing. It was naive of her to think people wouldn’t immediately think of and try to connect the statement to Cooper. The connection forced her to release a statement that makes her appear hypocritical.

    Those who follow the media care when straight anchors get married or have babies. Why do they have to flaunt their sex lives? I don’t want to think about Megyn Kelly and her partner. Eww. Why couldn’t they just leave their sex life at home and report the news. And calling Maddow a he is so played out and shows the pervasiveness of homophobia in some commenters.

    To be fair, Maddow has politicized her sexuality — by this interview alone, if not previously — and more power to her.

    While I strongly disagree with outing people against their will (even those who “prey on the gay community”), I have no objection to heterosexuals celebrating their sexuality (I’ve done it myself, although it seldom got me laid, which was generally what I was shooting for) as long as they extend the same courtesy to others. The fact that they often don’t is one of the reasons people like Maddow become activists.

  • mediadoubt

    IIWII said:
    Kekekekekeke… you sir/madam…. are an idiot(s)… Maddow said in the piece she came out early and hard in her college days. AND she said people should proclaim their position so they can make a difference. I have proclaimed my position (I, as a man LOVE women [even when they are crazy]) and yes sir/madam… I have said exactly what I am doing in bed… loving my wife of thirty-two years… and what dame/stud are you currently with? I will wage my last paycheck it has not been 32 years of bliss….. jealous idiot……

    But we know what you make and it ain’t such a much.

  • mediadoubt

    WaterLoo said:
    Anyone with a shred of common sense knows what she was speaking about. Don’t feel bad Alice, this is news to most no one.

    Any peckersniff like yourself probably had a list. How much time did you spend speculating and how vivid were your fantasies?

  • mediadoubt

    seek said:
    Honestly, I wasn’t making fun of you or attacking in any way – it was obviously poorly expressed sarcasm.

    My mind boggles at how people on the left can’t just say – “Well now Rachel, that was a really stupid thing to say and look at the mess you’ve gotten yourself into”. No, instead they turn themselves inside out to justify her stupid/malicious comment. Our resident jellyfish ellie comes to mind. Absolutely spineless.

    Again, congrats on 32 years. I do have you beat but discretion does not allow me to state by how many years! lol

    Try reading the actual posts instead of projecting. Just to be explicit (again, see above):

    “Rachel, that was the dumbest thing you’ve said in years. You’re going to spend months mending fences and trying to live this one down. Why on earth did you mention Cooper’s name in your backdown? For a smart woman, that was really stupid.”

  • OxyCon

    Come on, it isn’t that hard to figure out that she’s targeting Fox News through Shep Smith, which is pretty cowardly and disgusting behavior on her part.

  • huckleberry

    Why is she focused on Anderson Cooper? Isn’t Shepard Smith gay as well? or he’s just better and keeping his personal life personal?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Mangan/100000213524770 David Mangan

    Who cares if she’s gay, as it’s so obvious, no one is even questioning it. Anderson hides his paraphilia. And all this silliness is from the Guardian, which so objectivethat it examines the recent Wikileaks without finding any information injurious to Al Qaeda, or the BBC, just revealed to be an AQ resource via its Pashto News Service. That would be journalism, something the Guardian doesn’t have much experience with. Indeed, any attempt to be objective at the Guardian will get you sent packing within weeks. I worked on a British newspaper for a year and the Guardian, Independent, and the New Statesman are considered marxist toddler gruel.

    MadCow is simply not a top anchor as a Guardian interviewer attests. Indeed, her and Piers Morgan’s numbers put together don’t reach Hannity’s number of viewers:

    http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/04/22/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-april-21-2011/90311

  • StandUp

    Alice67 said:
    Just skip right on by hall monitor. :)

    Your lame response indicates that you have never commented on the content of another poster’s comments. Shall we go to the archives and see?
    Aren’t you being hypocritical by telling me how to read a website while calling me a “hall monitor”?
    Yep…you are definitely a Maddow fan…words are always getting in the way. Do you make goofy faces, raise your voice snarkily, and check stuff off your list while trying to look smart too?

    The most important question here is-

    btw- What kind of parents name their son Rachel anyway?

  • Alice67

    StandUp said:
    Your lame response indicates that you have never commented on the content of another poster’s comments. Shall we go to the archives and see?
    Aren’t you being hypocritical by telling me how to read a website while calling me a “hall monitor”?
    Yep…you are definitely a Maddow fan…words are always getting in the way. Do you make goofy faces, raise your voice snarkily, and check stuff off your list while trying to look smart too?

    The most important question here is-

    btw- What kind of parents name their son Rachel anyway?

    You missed me already?

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    “In an interview in today’s Guardian, Rachel Maddow urged others in the cable news business who may be gay to come out, citing it as a “responsibility” to the gay community….Her short note, entitled “Anchors Away,” both clarifies that she did not mean to allude to Cooper at all, nor did she independently believe Cooper had a responsibility to come out as gay.”

    So, she believes gay news peeps have a responsibility to come out, but she doesn’t believe Cooper has a responsibility to come out?

    Huh?

  • http://www.swissarmyjew.com Keeva

    sarainitaly said:
    So, she believes gay news peeps have a responsibility to come out, but she doesn’t believe Cooper has a responsibility to come out?

    Huh?

    Always reliable Rachel and her magic double standards.

  • Bill Huggins

    Where’s BARACKMUSTGO? I miss his nuanced take on matters like this.

    LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

  • Bill Huggins

    StandUp said:
    I can do without the BSNBC updates. If I wanted to know what’s going on there, I would watch. I don’t think I’m alone on this either. I’ll check back later on the thumbs.

    And you could stay out of threads featuring MSNBC hosts. But don’t let your tv watching standards get in they way of your website viewing habits. LOL.

  • Georgia999

    If you are gay, it’s your business. If you are married, it’s your business. If you are bi-sexual, it’s your business.
    Why does Maddow insist that people who are on TV in any capacity tell the world what they do in their own bedroom?

  • jerrybobphil

    Rachel just shut up about it. Your done enough damage with your dumb statement. How about no comment and not try to out people who don’t want to be outed. What a complete asshole.

  • seek

    mediadoubt said:
    Try reading the actual posts instead of projecting. Just to be explicit (again, see above):

    “Rachel, that was the dumbest thing you’ve said in years. You’re going to spend months mending fences and trying to live this one down. Why on earth did you mention Cooper’s name in your backdown? For a smart woman, that was really stupid.”

    Your problem appears to be that I don’t read YOUR posts with great scrutiny. I’m sorry but you don’t make my hit parade. I try to read as little of your stuff and nonsense as possible.

    Now put your “bunny slippers” back on toddle off for your nap, and I’ll even come by and tuck you in since you appear to be one of the needy posters!

    Did you tell Rachel to “get over herself”? If so ditto to you sweets.

  • joe7

    Why do people need to tell everyone their personal bussiness in their personal lives? I would agree that they shouldn’t actively hide it but its really a matter of the individual and their sex life is their own bussiness

  • dougx

    She must be referring to Shep. The guy wore eyeliner and mascara practically every day on tv for years just up until a few months ago.

  • seek

    dougx said:
    She must be referring to Shep. The guy wore eyeliner and mascara practically every day on tv for years just up until a few months ago.

    Honestly doug – you’ve sunk to a new low. You are now stating, as fact, comments made by insane posters on ridiculous blogs. You have to be kidding. You cannot seriously think you had a legitimate point.

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