Yawn. “Teabaggers are racist” is standard fare for MSNBC.

I really look forward to watching tonight (NOT) when Ed Schultz, yet another “teabagger hater” anchors Palin’s speech tonight.

Were there any “witnesses” to what she said?

So Tancredo makes a racist comment which the crowds cheers and Maddow calls them on it. Now she’s somehow the bad guy.

Poor Dan Abrams, it seems he still hasn’t gotten over MSNBC replacing his show with Maddow’s, and her getting much better ratings than he ever did.

In Maddows eyes, everyone is a racist or a bigot. That’s how she makes her living, sensationalizing innocuous remarks out of context to manufacture fake outrage. SOP for her.

To paraphrase an old Quaker proverb: “Everyone is racist save thee and me. And sometimes I think thee a bit racist too.”

gee, i’m surprised she didn’t say the voices were muffled because their mouths were full teabagging.

First of all, I don’t think there is anything wrong with expecting a certain level of intelligence from voters. We saw voters who thought Palin was Obama’s VP candidate, for crying out loud. People who had NO idea what issues he stood for, etc. Illiteracy isn’t an african american issue. Tancredo screwed up in saying that about not speaking english. Not because he doesn’t have a point, but because it is now a weapon for the likes of maddow. People were bussed in from all over to support Obama, many who did not have a clue about the issues. There happens to be a lot of people who believe that Americans should learn/speak English.

The Left have attacked Conservatives/non-Obama supporters as racist, teabaggers, c*nts, haters, bigots, stupid, evil, mass murders, hypocrites, birthers, homophobic, etc. for three years now (well….for a lot longer, but we really saw it amp up when Obama entered the scene) They have been insulted and called EVERY NAME in the book, including by the MSM/Obama supporters. And yes, they have been called names by members of Congress.

So, Tancredo calls Obama supporters stupid/illiterate (something the elites have been saying about Palin supporters all along) and suddenly they are ALL wearing white hoods? If they are so offended by name calling, perhaps they should stop it themselves. One of the reason tea party peeps are SO PISSED off is BECAUSE of these attacks, by the likes of Maddow.

How does this even warrant a *white hood* comment? “People who could not even spell the word vote, or say it in English” Maddow believes that all illiterate people are black?

She makes me sick.

Elitist Calls Palin Voters Stupid Uneducated Cave Dwelling Nonrational Anti-technology Dummies

ABC News Story on Uninformed Voters

IQ Test: Obama Supporters

Howard Stern Interviews Obama Supporters

A Group of Obama Supporters Cannot Name A Single Obama Accomplishment

correction: Illiteracy isn’t only an african american issue.

Ignorance makes me sick, sarainitaly. This has nothing to do with black people. It’s about Immigration reform, namely Latinos and Mexicans. You should watch the clip before wasting your time uploading links. Can we add you to the list of uninformed…. too late. I already did! Love, an elitist.

The KKK? What do they have now? About fifty members nation-wide? The left really needs to update their boogey men.

Sarainitaly and Joe,

yeah, the “white hoods” comment is entirely warranted. Sara, since you didn’t bring it up, it’s possible you don’t know the significance of literacy tests. Check it out:’

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

Kudos to Maddow and Olbermann for calling this out, and shame on anyone who tries to rationalize it.

As a leader within the tea party movement, Tancredo did an outstanding job of portraying to the public what the movement is all about. He’s perfect for the part.

sarainitaly says:
People were bussed in from all over to support Obama, many who did not have a clue about the issues.

Bused in to where??? From where??? When did this happen??? What event?

timzank says:
That’s how she makes her living, sensationalizing innocuous remarks out of context to manufacture fake outrage.

Exactly what was out of context and innocuous about Tancedo’s remark???

Here’s the “conflict” I have in my mind regarding Tancredo’s comments. I’m not positive, but I’m sure I’ve read/heard that Tea Party have many fundamental tenets like smaller govt, states rights etc. Tancredo in his comments I believe mentions “nanny state”.

Then in same speech comes close to advocating a civic literacy test for voters. Huh? You mean to have govt (more govt) or other make voters qualify with civics, spelling, speaking test to vote? OK, Tea Party formulating some platform for illegal immigration. Why is Tancredo bomb throwing about 08′ election when he could be more substantive with specific illegal immigration policy. Unless he really means civic literacy test.

My take, is Tancredo over-reached and couldn’t help himself at taking the shot. And I personally don’t find the reasoning that the left did it for so many years to come close to reasoning why Tancredo’s comments should not be looked at as, not good enough standard or substandard to follow.

I thought that the Tea Party was also tired of the same ol’ politics. Look, I’m OK with Tea Party. They have every right to form power. Depending how they form their platform (if they do) they might have some good things to influence politics with. To me, Tancredo closer to the same ugly stuff rather than better ugly stuff.

Maddow f course is going to attack Tea Party. The whole world would faint if she didn’t. The fact that Maddow attacks Tea Party means she takes enough notice to spend time researching it to attack it. If Maddow didn’t, Tea Party should be worried.

Hopefully Sarah Palin has had some ‘Civics literacy’ education since last year when she stated that the VP, as President of the Senate, would be “..in charge of the Senate.”

After this has been explained to many of you, it’s clear that you’re ignoring the facts. As I stated last night to many of you, literacy tesst were used in the South to try and keep blacks from voting after the voting rights act passed. Since many blacks in the South back then weren’t educated because of segregation and lack of access, racists and klan members did everything they could to supress the black vote. You’re irritation with those facts doen’t change these facts. Many of you aren’t just ignorant but, willfully so. As for Palin’s speech….the questions have been PRE-SELECTED. I woder if they’ll even televise that part? It won’t be anything like the Q&A the President did with those lightweight chumps of the House GOP. As for the GOP Senators, they don’t want any either. Who is the head of the teabaggers who will challenge this President?

You have to pass tests for many things. To get a driver’s license, for example. Yet in deciding on who will represent us to the rest of the world, on who will be in control of our nuclear arsenal and all the rest of it, the idea of expecting a certain level of intelligence in making this decision is considered wrong. Yet people shouldn’t be denied the right to vote. It is a sticky wicket.

i don’t hear him calling for an illiteracy test, al la Jim Crow.

He said “we do not have a Civics literacy test before people can vote and we have people who can’t even spell the word vote…. ”

Is he advocating for bringing back Iliteracy tests, or was he stating a fact that Americans are not required to pass a CIVICS literacy test before voting?

It sounds to me like he is calling Obama voters stupid. Just like the Left calls Palin voters stupid. And he is making a point that we are not required to understand civics to vote..

http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/resources/quiz.aspx

I guess like everything else, you can make this racist. Maybe this guy is a secret member of the KKK. I don’t know him, but I don’t think stupid is a black, brown or white issue. And i think voters should have at least a basic understanding of the issues, and many don’t.

I just don’t see the comments as racist….but, I don’t look at everything with a racist colored lens, either.

JamesA1102 says:
February 6, 2010 at 11:07 am

During the primaries, for the Caucuses. And during the election, the Obama campaign hired buses to round up voters, including the homeless and drive them to the polls. They even went to homes for the disabled, and forced some voters to vote for Obama, even thought they were McCain supporters. They even *paid* people with cheeseburgers to vote for Obama… where have you been? This stuff was happening all over.

Odd. The left keeps telling us that people such as Palin are too “stupid” to be in public office, yet the idea of intelligence tests is abhorent. If intelligence tests were administered to everyone, whether to hold office or to vote, wouldn’t that weed out those “stupid” people like Palin? The left is never satisfied.

You people are raging idiots! And yes, poor Dan Abrams. His site is littered with blithering idiots who can’t handle the truth so they keep changing the subject. Or maybe you’re just too young to get it. Tancredo is a racists moron. If you’d seen him on Ed Shultz when Markos Moulitsas took him down you’d have seen Tancredo doing what all cowards do, he walked off the set! If they did give literacy or civics tests, many of the teabaggers couldn’t pass one right now. Judging by their ignorant and incoherent signs, these people coudn’t have made it past the 7th grade!

writer says:
February 6, 2010 at 11:36 am

Exactly! It’s like people just want to accept that people are idiots…. and nothing should be done about it. They want to spend billions counting people so they can get their *voters* but they don’t want to make sure those people are educated enough to vote.

That’s why I think the problem is the fact that voters couldn’t even pass a civics literacy test. Education, education, education. I don’t think people should be denied the right to vote, I think people should be smart enough to vote.

Judging from her interviews, which is where you really hear her ignorance, you can at least be sure that she didn’t write her book, she doesn’t write her speeches, and she doesn’t write those pathetic facebook comments. She did however, write her resignation speech. The cave to Limbaugh is where all could see that she’s lost any credibility she ever had using her baby to score cheap political points. Olbermann’s right. Hypocrite!

Right on, Rox. Don’t you just hate people who are always labeling others as “stupid”?

I am watching the Teabag Convention as we speak. Hmm a bunch of OLD WHITE people!!! A few younger (over 40 – less than 60) but that is it. Tell me it is not racist!!! Please

You’re right, blueblogger. Any gathering of nothing but white people must necessarily be racist. Like the entire country of Norway, for example.

liberalontogeny says:
February 6, 2010 at 11:09 am

This is why I haven’t joined the tea party, and no longer belong to any party. I was behind the people I knew months and months ago that went to tea party events (small groups of mad voters) but the more people that glob on to the party, the more reluctant I am to want to join. I don’t want the tea party to be railroaded or invaded by the type of pols I bailed on in the Dem party, and the kind that have prevented me from joining the Repubs. They have a lot of work to do, if they are going to figure out who they are and what they stand for. Until then, I am sitting on the sidelines, and evaluating candidates one by one, as they come. I am a fiscal conservative, social leaning liberal and that’s what I hoped the tea party would be.

writer says:
February 6, 2010 at 12:00 pm
You’re right, blueblogger. Any gathering of nothing but white people must necessarily be racist. Like the entire country of Norway, for example.

LOL!

Blueblogger – older probably because of the price tag. If 97% of AA’s voted for Obama, that doesn’t leave a lot of AA’s around to attend, does it? AA’s are 14% of the population, 97% voted for Obama, and according to polls, still loyal to Obama. How many do you think that leaves to attend the tea parties? But according to you, tea partiers are racist because African Americans don’t show up?

There are African American conservatives, believe it or not. In fact, some have even organized and spoken at tea parties.

roxsteady says:
February 6, 2010 at 11:50 am

You’re sounding rather bigoted and racist…

So he spoke the truth, and gets vilified? Typical of the left wing loonies, they must not have gotten the memo. YOU CANNOT USE THE RACE CARD ANY MORE, THERE IS A BLACK MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

But he’s very clean and articulate. I sometimes forget he’s black.

Sara,

your defense of Tancredo is deeply disappointing. There must be a point at which you will recognize racism when you see it.

I don’t think Tea Party as a whole is racist. Maybe Tancredo is. I think the Tea Party has advocated and/or supported more “tea party” candidates against other “white” Dems or Repubs than minority candidates to date. That would make them confused racists.

Just like when Pres Obama stated cling to their bibles I don’t find it very intellectually honest to leap to think Pres. Obama anti-Cristian as some on the right did

It becomes harder to recognize when “racism” is the charge leveled at anyone to the right of Keith Olbermann.

Yawn, the race card again.

I understand that the dictionary people have been forced to change the definition of “racist.”

RACIST (rā’sĭst) n. (1) Anyone who disagrees with a member of the Democrat party.

In fact, this now seems to be the most usage of the term.

Tommy Christopher says:
February 6, 2010 at 12:10 pm

I’m not defending Tancredo, I am defending what I heard, what was said.

‘i don’t hear him calling for an illiteracy test, al la Jim Crow.

He said “we do not have a Civics literacy test before people can vote and we have people who can’t even spell the word vote…. ”

Is he advocating for bringing back Iliteracy tests, or was he stating a fact that Americans are not required to pass a CIVICS literacy test before voting?

It sounds to me like he is calling Obama voters stupid. Just like the Left calls Palin voters stupid. And he is making a point that we are not required to understand civics to vote.”

writer But this isn’t Norway. This is the good ole USA. A melting pot country!!

sarainitaly I am exactly like you. A fiscal conservative but social liberal. NO party affilation but I can see and hear what is crazy in both parties.

Tommy Christopher says:
February 6, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Sara,

There must be a point at which you will recognize racism when you see it.

According to the left, anything and everything in oppostion to Obama is racist. Even Sarah Palin wearing a white shirt was called racist code by his supporters during the campaign. A little girl wearing a pink shirt was racist. A menu prepared by an African American cook was racist. The term fairy tale is racist. The Paris/Britney ad was racist, West Virginia is racist, Hillary supporters were racist, the money is racist, Gerldine Ferraro is racist, Bill Clinton is racist, PA voters were racist, Scott Brown is racist, the Republicna party is racist, Beck, FOX, the black hole is racist, oppositin to health care reform is racist, Joe the Plumber is racist, the Nikon camera is racist, Obama as the Joker is racist, white southerners are racist, Rush, Lou Dobbs are racist, filming ACORN was racist, O’Keefe is racist, MA voters are now racist……

I don’t know Tommy, it’s getting kind of hard to recognize real racism anymore.

Blueblogger, the country is irrelevant. We’re talking about the race of the people gathered. And any gathering of whites must necessarily be racist. The left says so.

(but Reid, Biden and Matthews aren’t racist…? And Bill and Hillary are no longer racist? It seems like the common denominator is whether you oppose obama or not. If and when you become a supporter, you can do or say anything, and you are not a racist.)

I gotta chime in here – sara? Sarainitaly? Are you unaware that giving people rides to the polls is a common occurrence and happens ever election? As to ‘forcing people to vote for Obama’, please, oh, please give us some evidence of that crap. What a load of hyper-bull you’re selling.

No it is not irrelevant.

I am not just talking about blacks. I said there were no hispanics, asians etc there!!!

So I guess the million man march was racist. Your original statement didn’t mention the country. It merely said there was a “gathering of old white people. Tell me that’s not racist.” So obviously any gathering that isn’t multi-racial must be racist. I was only going by what you asked.

Tommy Christopher says:
February 6, 2010 at 12:10 pm

Maddow attacked the people attending the convention – she said they were wearing white hoods. If I were in the audience and heard his comments, I wouldn’t have linked his comments to a call for Jim Crow illiteracy tests in order to keep blacks from voting. I would have taken his comments how I stated above. A jab at *stupid Obama voters*, and the fact that we don’t require people to have a basic knowledge of civics.

Maddow didn’t just attack Tancredo, she once again, for the millionth time, attacked tea party people as racist. Because they cheered at his comments, as I understood them, calling Obama voters stupid. I have a lot of friends who are tea party people and they are not racist – and if they were there, I have no doubt they would have interpreted his comments as I did.

Who knows, maybe the guy is a racist. But, she attacked everyone there as racist. And it is pretty dang hard to be taken seriously when you have cried wolf a million times.

Bill Adkins says:
February 6, 2010 at 12:52 pm

Obama Supporter Hijacks Disabled Man’s Vote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25YqYl3D7Gg

Maybe the left has a rule book to consult. All white country clubs? Racist. All black fraterities? Not racist. Political gatherings of whites? Racist. Political gatherings of blacks? Not Racist. Calling women vile names? Sexist. The left calling women vile names? Acceptable. Dissent with the president? The highest form of patriotism. Dissent with Obama? Racist. There really needs to be a rule book.

I for one do not like the “generalization” use/allegation of racists or racism as a tactic. Especially as a tactic for political gain or to marginalize a political ideology to benefit another political ideology. It’s cheap and it minimizes the severity of someone who really is a racist (Tancredo perhaps, comes to mind). Because it dilutes the term and accusation when it is warranted. Especially when casting an net over an entire ‘political’ party or group at a ‘political’ convention.

It’s really unfair and intolerant of those at the Tea Party convention that are not racists. Tagging racist on all of them with guilt of association is Intolerant. Maddow perhaps did what she intended to do and that is get the “blog armies” going with the generalization as marching orders to attack/defend. Maddow may be reading this now to she if she succeeded. To start the narrative of Tea Party as a whole is racists. But that’s intellectually dishonest to do. Actually ‘generally’ intolerant for her to do (Tancredo OK, maybe she could isolated to those that clapped, OK). She is injecting a tactic for political gain a well and that’s not cool.

Bill Adkins says:
February 6, 2010 at 12:52 pm

Bussing in people from out of district to hijack a caucus is not legal, and it happened in WA and TX. Driving people to the polls is legal, even homeless and drug addicts, like they did, but I’m pretty sure giving them free cheeseburgers is not legal.

Ok, as a liberal who enjoys Olbermann and Maddow, although I don’t buy everything they say, I feel like I should give my 2 cents. First of all, I completely, absolutely, 100% reject the notion that anyone who disagrees with President Obama and liberals are “racist”. This is being intellectually dishonest. That said, it would be intellectually dishonest to say that there are no racists in the Tea Party movement.

Look, I have no problem with Tea partiers being concerned about the direction of this country and government spending and certain Obama policies (although it seems as if many of them are against his policies even before they know anything about them). What I have a problem with is people like Tom Tancredo and sarainitaly who think that Obama voters are idiotic dolts who have no idea what America is about. Sarainitaly, you post those links that portray Obama voters as idiots, but what about McCain voters. Where are the polls asking Palin fans about policy? There are idiots in every movement, yes, but to generalize Obama voters as ignorant and stupid just shows how partisan and divisive some people can be.

I always thought Rachel Maddow as the voice of reason on MSNBC. She seemed to intelligently talk about policy issues with facts and sanity. It’s a shame that she had to say the things she said last night.

I know many conservatives who are against Obama who are the most kind, generous people I know and they don’t have a racist bone in their body. So, liberals, please get back to legitimate criticism of the Tea Party movement and reject the notion that they are all racist. It does us no good, and it just makes more people sympathize with them.

Confession of a very partisan “volunteer” registering voters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aARBllu_jr0

i can’t find some of the old vids from voting day when people were handing out free cheeseburgers. still looking.

I just listened to the clip, and SHAME on Rachel.

She maligned Tancredo calling him “anit-immigration” when he is indeed anti-illegal-immigration, like many people in this country and she should be called to task for her slander of Tancredo.

Furthermore, her over-the-top commentary is typical of all things MSNBC. Calling all the people who were there members of the KKK.

MSNBC is one sick network, race baiters all.

If you disagree with a liberal you are now a racist. The term “racist” has been rendered meaningless thanks to the likes of Rachel, keith and Chrissy.

stoogedude says:

This is being intellectually dishonest. That said, it would be intellectually dishonest to say that there are no racists in the Tea Party movement.

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It would just as intellectually dishonest to say there are no racists in the Democrat party or the progressive movement. The problem with liberals is that they think racism is unique only to white conservatives. Every single race on this planet has subgroups that hate. There are blacks that hate whites; saw a lot of that in the Army. Blacks that hate Mexicans; I saw a lot of that while in the Army. Blacks that hate Asians; I saw a lot of that as well. It just gets old after a while to see people of Maddow’s ilk act like they are the arbiters of racial tolerance in this country. And to say that suggesting a civics test to vote is racist because over 100 years ago blacks couldn’t read very well is absolutely stupid. Are you saying that blacks that want to vote wouldn’t be able to pass a test? Are you saying that blacks have made so little progress that a majority of them can’t even read? That same test would disqualify a lot of whites too. And odds are that the whites that would be disqualified would be racist since it’s mostly the poor, uneducated whites that are racist.

stoogedude says:
February 6, 2010 at 1:24 pm

my point is that the LEFT has been calling conservatives/hillary voters/mccain and palin voters idiotic racists for three years. Tancredo was doing the same thing, calling them stupid.

I don’t think ALL Obama supporters are idiots. (my dad’s one) BUT, there has been a blanket sweeping attack on ALL people opposing Obama. ALL people, according to the Left, that oppose Obama are racist, and ALL voters for McCain/Palin are stupid idiots.

My video links also pointed to the fact that those voters were clueless, and could benefit from a civics test.
The videos included one where Palin voters were attacked for being stupid. They also showed that being stupid is not a black or white issue. They were all stupid in the videos. And the ABC story was about all voters, not any particular party.

“What I have a problem with is people like Tom Tancredo and sarainitaly who think that Obama voters are idiotic dolts who have no idea what America is about.”

And I have a problem with people who think that ALL Palin or McCain voters are idiotic dolts, or that they are all racist.

“There are idiots in every movement, yes, but to generalize Obama voters as ignorant and stupid just shows how partisan and divisive some people can be. ”

What do you think the LEFT has been doing to people who oppose Obama??????????

“Where are the polls asking Palin fans about policy?”
Here is a Zogby poll that goes with the Obama voters vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9htwW21K8s

correction: Tancredo was doing the same thing, but calling [obama supporters] stupid.

stoogedude says:
February 6, 2010 at 1:24 pm

I only responded to your comment directed at me, but the rest of your comment was great.

Sarainitaly, you are right. I know many very intelligent McCain supporters who have done their homework and are very informed that don’t rely on Fox News for their information. This is the partisan climate we have in this country. The “Oh, you disagree with me so you are clearly an idiot” argument is tearing this country apart.

Again, I am a liberal and I want an HONEST debate, not a finger-pointing, insult spewing rhetoric and I’m sure you do too. I know many on the right want the same thing. The point is that there are many Republicans who want honest discussions, but Tea Partiers or fringe people on the right are hijacking the party. Just as the far-left do this for the Democratic party. It has become standard thinking in far right circles (and President Obama made a good point at the Republican Q & A last week) that if you work with the other side, well you are clearly one of them. This happens on the left as well, but it is much more common these days among the right because of the anti-Obama climate we are in.

And yes, there are people on the left who are racist as well. Look, I hate generalizations and I try my best not to participate in them. But I will admit, I get so passionate and angry at where political discussion has gone and I will sometimes generalize. I think where me and sarainitaly and timzank and other conservatives can agree on is that we love our country and we don’t like the way both sides are treating the other. Fair enough?

Also, just to clarify, I said I like MSNBC but it’s not my primary source of news. I think people who only get news from MSNBC can sometimes be just as misinformed as those who only get their news from Fox News. But it seems as if there is no objective news anymore. It’s hard to know who to believe anymore.

Well, hell, Sarainitaly – I looked at your clip from Albany Georgia and there it is – a ‘mentally disabled’ individual voting for McCain. Says it all.

love ya stoogedude! i agree. and I love a good debate. I will debate anything. :O)

the teaparty peeps are still a mystery to me… like i said, i have friends, former dems and repubs, and indys who joined. all looking for something a little different, but mostly fiscal conservatives. there will most likely be differences because of social issues. if it does get taken over by fringe elements, it will be a disaster. like i said, i was really hoping it would be fiscal conservatives/social liberals, with no big party affiliations. i am sick of them all! hahaha

but, i do love a good debate, no matter the issue.

Bill Adkins says:
February 6, 2010 at 2:21 pm

I knew that was coming.

your comment says it all.

Heres the problem…people are criticizing the other side and not acknowledging that their side can be just as bad. If we realize there are kooks on both sides and we debate each other and say, “I hear what you are saying and I see the merits in your argument, but I disagree and here’s why…”, the discussion would be more civil and liberals and conservatives would be singing “Kumbaya”. As Rodney King said, “Can’t we all just get along?”

I’m the kind of person that detests what Rush Limbaugh says, but I’d like to think that Rush and I could sit down and enjoy a good Super Bowl tomorrow.

sarainitaly says:
During the primaries, for the Caucuses. And during the election, the Obama campaign hired buses to round up voters, including the homeless and drive them to the polls. They even went to homes for the disabled, and forced some voters to vote for Obama, even thought they were McCain supporters. They even *paid* people with cheeseburgers to vote for Obama… where have you been? This stuff was happening all over.

All campaigns hires buses, vans and other vehicles to bring their supporters to the polls. It is part of any campaign’s standard get out the vote operation. As far as the homeless voting that is just BS. All states require proof of residency to vote such as an electric or phone bill or a rent stub. Since the homeless can’t produce such documentation they can’t vote. So that is just a lie.

As far as the rest it sounds like Glenn Beck delusions. Do you have any proof that come from credible news sources? Somehow I think not.

Tancredo would have served himself better had he said ” ..couldn’t pass civics 101.” Let’s face it, some of the most stupid of the big mouths could benefit from it; Have you ever listened to Joy Behar? Or her guests? If these are shining examples of “smart” folk, God help us. That said, Tancredo does have an ugly nationalist streak in him that is hard to deny. Why make a point of “..they can’t speak English.”?

Civics 101…..I do believe that the President said this in his SOTU:

“We find unity in our incredible diversity, drawing on the promise enshrined in our Constitution, the notion that we’re all created equal…”

Hmmmmmmm. For a constitutional “professor” I think he might have erred.

Having been a poll watcher many times, there are several people who come to vote that don’t speak english, so his statement was factual. How he delivered it is another question perhaps.

None-the-less, Rachel was over the top in her own assessment of Tancredo and does herself and MSNBC no good when she paints the attendees with the broad brush of racism; as I said before, thanks to MSNBC being a “racist” these days simply means you disagree with teh One.

JamesA1102 says:
February 6, 2010 at 2:49 pm

As I said, I know they hire buses. Obama people were caught offering free food, and drivers were influencing the voters to support Obama.

We will not be silenced.

Ohio Homeless Driven to Polls to Vote Obama

Let the homeless vote, advocates say

Homeless in Ohio can vote, register park benches.

People experiencing homelessness can draw a map or supply the address of the intersection, park or homeless shelter where they sleep when registering to vote.

stoogedude says:
February 6, 2010 at 2:49 pm

I agree. :O) And see, we are doing that. Thanks for the fun, civil discussion.

WRT Rush, do you listen to his show? I ask because I never did, but I always hated him, but I never listened to him. I listened to what msnbc et al told me he said. Now, whenever someone attacks him for something he said, I read the entire transcript, and 99.8% of the time, I find out they were disingenuous in their statements. I also take him for what he is, a shock jock who lives to incite the left.

As Andrew Breitbart said, when addressing a group at the convention, in talking about the media and particularly MSNBC and Contessa’s very egregious reportage about the “gun wielding racist” (who happened to be a black man, obscured by MSNBC when the created the report)…”it’s not your business model that sucks, it’s you that sucks.” Spot on I’d say.

Trickletown says:
February 6, 2010 at 2:58 pm

Tancredo would have served himself better had he said ” ..couldn’t pass civics 101.” – Agreed.

Let’s face it, some of the most stupid of the big mouths could benefit from it; – totally agree.

Have you ever listened to Joy Behar? Or her guests? If these are shining examples of “smart” folk, God help us. – completely agreed.

That said, Tancredo does have an ugly nationalist streak in him that is hard to deny. – I don’t know anything about him, so I don’t know. Tft mentioned he was against illegal immigration, not immigrants. As a foreigner living abroad, legally, I think people should do things the legal way. But, I don’t blame people for wanting/flooding to America. They get access to better pay, education, and health care. But, people need to follow the law of the land.

Why make a point of “..they can’t speak English.”? – bad move, although one could argue that if people can’t understand english, they don’t know why/who they are voting for, and therefore, in some cases, could be treated as *useful idiots* by one party or the other. Aren’t critics pointing to the Dems push to count illegal immigrants, with the hope of registering them to vote, as an example of using them?

sarainitaly says:
As I said, I know they hire buses. Obama people were caught offering free food, and drivers were influencing the voters to support Obama.

We will not be silenced.

Ohio Homeless Driven to Polls to Vote Obama

Let the homeless vote, advocates say

Homeless in Ohio can vote, register park benches.

People experiencing homelessness can draw a map or supply the address of the intersection, park or homeless shelter where they sleep when registering to vote.

And as I said, I didn’t think you could supply any proof from credible sources and you didn’t.

Hundreds of thousands of residents — including vanloads of homeless voters shuttled to polling places by advocacy groups — are expected to cast ballots before Election Day. This year, Ohio voters can cast an absentee ballot without having to cite a specific reason for voting early, which had limited the practice in past presidential elections. More than 30 states now allow early in-person voting without requiring voters to give a reason.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122280937053991807.html

Democrat Barack Obama’s presidential campaign blitzed bars and advocates for the homeless have lined up vans to ferry potential voters from shelters.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/dems-target-young-people_n_130163.html

Federal Judge in Ohio rules that Homeless can list park Benches and other locations as Addresses so they can vote!

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/federal-judge-in-ohio-rules-that-homeless-can-list-park-benches-and-other-locations-as-addresses-so/question-180038/

Judge rules Ohio homeless voters may list park benches as addresses
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/28/ajudgerule.html?sid=101

Do any of these meet with your standards?

Confession of a very partisan “volunteer” registering voters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aARBllu_jr0

Try as I might, I cannot really understand how even a minimum standard of voting security can be maintained when, as an Ohio judge did yesterday, you decide to let the homeless vote. If there is no address — how do you check whether someone has voted before or whether they are using a real name? I get that the judge is attempting to enable fraud on behalf of his campaign — but how does this pass even a minimum test of reasonableness?

Remember how Obama won all of those caucuses, starting with Iowa, where Hillary had been running ahead in polls? According to a bunch of eyewitness, including former candidate Joseph Biden, many Iowa caucuses were won on the strength of voters bused in from Illinois. I hold it against Hillary that she didn’t protest at the time. Now, of course, there is no protection to be had. These Chicago Obama supporters can vote in their own district, then get on busses to Ohio where they are now free to cite a given park bench or doorway as their residence, and vote again. I guess that’s easier than bringing out the dead, which was the traditional Chicago practice. Although I’m sure they’ll be voting too.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjdjMDcyMzVmNDZlODMxZTYzYTIwNzU1N2MzNzVlOWY=

Hillary Backers Decry Massive Obama Vote Fraud
http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/obama-voter-fraud/2008/10/27/id/326134

“After studying the procedures and results from all 14 caucus states, interviewing dozens of witnesses, and reviewing hundreds of personal stories, my conclusion is that the Obama campaign willfully and intentionally defrauded the American public by systematically undermining the caucus process,” she said.

In Texas, more than 2,000 Clinton and Edwards supporters filed complaints with the state Democratic Party because of the massive fraud. The party acknowledged that the Obama campaign’s actions “amount to criminal violations” and ordered them to be reported to state and federal law enforcement, but nothing happened.

At a campaign stop before the Jan. 3 caucus at the JJ Diner in Des Moines, Biden “said what we were all thinking when he got on stage and said, ‘Hello Iowa!’ and then turned to Barack’s crowd and shouted, ‘and Hello Chicago!’” another precinct captain for Hillary told Long.

Thanks to Illinois campaign workers bused across the border into Iowa, all the precincts in eastern Iowa went for Obama, guaranteeing his win in the caucuses, Long said.

Obama supporters were also bused into northeast Iowa from Omaha, Nebraska, where Obama campaign workers were seen handing out “i-pods and free stuff: T-shirts, clothes, shoes, and free meals” to students and people in homeless shelters,” according to eyewitness reports Long collected.

Homeless Vote In Ohio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKXPhPrd_As

Good post on Newsbusters about this:

Maddow was playing a little fast and loose with the facts here. After all, the federal government first used literacy tests as part of an immigration policy enacted in 1917.

It is of course correct that literacy tests were used in the south to prevent blacks from voting. However, as Tancredo’s hot-button issue is indeed immigration, it’s absurd to link his statement Thursday evening to racism.

After all, he referred to “people who could not even spell the word, ‘vote,’ or say it in English.” That’s an immigration issue.

If Maddow disagrees, maybe she should familiarize herself with a civics test that immigrants must take today to become American citizens. She needn’t go far, for some of the questions are posted at MSNBC.com:

So, Ms. Maddow, if it’s not racist for the U.S. government to expect immigrants to answer these questions, is it racist to want voters to AT LEAST be able to spell the word “vote”?

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/02/06/maddow-tea-party-conventioneers-are-racists-wearing-white-hoods#ixzz0enpXHomc

Rachel Maddow is a failed KKK Grand Wizard “adult male” posing as a lesbian political columnist at a failed phony news network promoted by Mediaite. So there! Your mother wears combat boots!

I don’t know about you folks but from where I sit, there are literate liberals and literate conservatives. Voting is a responsibility but also a privilege that is one of the more important functions of all citizens. It should therefore be accorded to citizens who have the capability of understanding the meaning and impact of their vote. While proof of literacy does not guarantee that the voter understands the impact and meaning of the vote they cast, it is a fair certainty that an illiterate individual is less likely to understand such concepts than an individual who does possess the ability to read and write. From my perspective, the right to vote would be a huge incentive to learn to read and write if such a prerequisite were placed on the citizenry, and no matter how you cut it, more literacy is a very good thing. I bellieve even madcow would agree with that!

Thinking people should have to take a civics literacy test to vote is racist? Wow. Don’t tell all of the immigrants who have had to take one to gain citizenship.

http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/resources/quiz.aspx

Sarainitaly says:
Hundreds of thousands of residents — including vanloads of homeless voters shuttled to polling places by advocacy groups — are expected to cast ballots before Election Day.

Again that just sounds like the typical get out the vote efforts run by every campaign. As far as the homeless, a recent study showed that there are less than 15,000 homeless people in Ohio: http://www.cohhio.org/pdf/2009OHR/2009%20Ohio%20Homelessness%20Report.pdf
So since Obama won Ohio by over 200,000 votes, even if you assume that every homeless person in Ohio voted and voted for Obama; he would have still won Ohio by 185,000 votes. And even if he lost Ohio and it’s 20 electoral votes he would have still won the election.

sarainitaly says:
Democrat Barack Obama’s presidential campaign blitzed bars and advocates for the homeless have lined up vans to ferry potential voters from shelters.

Actually many stated allow homeless living in shelters to vote because they can use the shelter as their home address. There is nothing new about this, it has been going on since the 80s. But I think the bigger question why you have a problem with poor people being allowed to vote?

Anyone who thinks literacy tests are ok should educate themselves on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test

Also, how come the same people who want such hign standards for allowing people to vote would decry those same exact standards for buying a gun?

JamesA1102 says:
February 7, 2010 at 12:54 pm

You are ignoring the point of our discussion. I said Obama campaign bussed in people from all over (read the articles about Clinton and Edwards filing complaints about it) to caucus. I mentioned busing in people who didn’t have a clue about the issues, who were paid with food to vote for obama. You challenged my statements, and I provided numerous links.

You are now changing the subject. I don’t have a problem with “poor people voting.” nice try though.

Why do you think it is wrong wrt voting, but the Government is allowed to require it of immigrants when becoming citizens?

sarainitaly says:
You are ignoring the point of our discussion. I said Obama campaign bussed in people from all over (read the articles about Clinton and Edwards filing complaints about it) to caucus. I mentioned busing in people who didn’t have a clue about the issues, who were paid with food to vote for obama. You challenged my statements, and I provided numerous links.
You are now changing the subject. I don’t have a problem with “poor people voting.” nice try though.

First of all most of your links are not from credible sources but from RW sites known for misinformation. Second, most of the had to do with the general election in Ohio and not about the caucuses, so it is you who changed the subject. As far as Clinton and Edwards filng complaints, what was the result? Were any of those complaints found to be justified?

And you do seem to have a problem with poor people voting. If you didn’t you wouldn’t keep bringing it up as if there is something wrong about it.

As far of your last ‘gotcha’ question it is a false equivelency. When someone is born in a foreign land the government has the right to set certain standards if that person comes here and requests to be a citizen. However, once that person becomes a citizen the constitution invests in them, as well as natural born citizens, the right to vote. And the constitution does not require any such standard for a citizen to exercize that right to vote.

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