Yes, he is right.

This man has the intellect of Sarah Palin.  He is a COMPLETE idiot.

I wonder if he had the same reaction when American soldiers’ corpses were dragged through the streets of Somalia. Just kids bein’ kids.

He simply doesn’t grasp the PR nightmare that acts like this represent. He’s allowed to feel whatever way he wants about it, but, sympathetic or not, a president has to stand up and take a position that’s squarely opposed to this, lest we be judged as little better than the theocratic thugs we’re fighting. It doesn’t gain this country anything politically, militarily or morally to turn a blind eye to it. We lost a lot of support among our allies and in the moderate Muslim world because of the obvious excesses of Abu Ghraib and similar outrages.

This many years later one would think/hope that even bellicose right wingers would have learned that lesson.

Rick Perry must be a “kid” himself because he has sure made a lot of stupid mistakes since he began his campaign.

“We can kill all the brown people we want while I’m president, but, if you piss on them after you kill them I’ll throw you in the brig!”  Obama

Kids make stupid mistakes…after all Obama smoked crack for quite some time, right?

Btw, you haven’t used that name in quite a while, “nice” to see ya! :)

Rick Perry ignorance is painful. He should read the uniform code of military justice before making statements that are demonstrably false. No wonder is lagging behind in the GOP nomination.

I would say that the activities of the marines after killing their adversary on the battlefield doesnt reach the level of the White House, or should it reach the level of Youtube. This activity wrong as it is, deserves UCMJ action dealt with at the local command level only.
 
Additionally, I would say that the turd burglars that post these video’s or showcase this activity to promote their anti military cheerleading efforts, (Ron Paulies) etc… should say a prayer this day/night giving thanks for the great warriors that still stand guard for us and take the unfavorable fight to our nations adversaries. One would expect our military to have drained their collective bladders in private.

Right on Rick, right on. We pee, they soak, the world cheers

If god forbid another 9/11 happens, Iranians will be laying reefs in the corners of downtown Tehran in grief as they did when the original 9/11 occurred. And they’d be honored to. And we’ll get full cooperation from the muslim and arab works to hunt down the perpetrators, whether they like it or not

The difference with what Patton and Churchill did is that they pissed on inanimate objects.

Since moral relativism seems to be the order of the day, at least when it comes to our own troops, I suspect we will next be rationalizing necklaces made from the severed ears of our enemies as “goofy, childish pranks”.

The fact is that if a president — or a presidential hopeful, in this case — is asked about the incident, he’d better be prepared to be unequivocal in his condemnation. Like it or not, if a candidate soft peddles depraved acts — especially when there’s supporting video — in many parts of the world that are important to us this will be seen as tacit approval.

Look, it’s not like I expect any better from ideologues like Perry. Obviously if he wants to get any votes in South Carolina he’s going to have to pander to a bloodthirsty right wing base and this is the perfect way to do it.

hyperbole…

If you don’t want “kids” (which they are) doing stupid things in a war zone then get them the hell out of the war zone….  it is amazing to me how PC has spread it’s way into everything.  I certainly don’t condone what these guys did in any fashion but I will not judge them nor will I call for the book to be thrown at them….  In WWII we saw fit to do much worse to this to our enemy, we fire bombed cities, we dropped A bombs on civilian populations, and god only knows about the crimes committed against their POW’s in our control.  In Vietnam we destroyed villages, and devastated vast areas of the country with Agent Orange and again committed other unspeakable atrocities….  We place these kids in a war zone where their daily lives expose them to and cause them to partake in the worst incarnations of human nature and we expect to hold them to the same civil standards as we practice here at home…  I can only say that here stateside many defend our criminals by pointing to the unfair economic and societal pressures that lead to their criminal acts…  well I venture to say that the pressure and horror of war will often lead to an even greater breakdown of civil behavior.  

I will not condone what these young men did, but I will honor their previous service to this country and will not elevate myself to a position to which I feel that I can judge their actions given the dire circumstances that their country has placed them in.  

Your post is pure hyperbole. Obama neither said anything like that nor smoked crack. 

Perry is pure hyperbole as well. Obama never threatened criminal action against the soldiers. If I’m wrong, let me know, because if I’m right then it’s Perry who is disrespecting the situation by using it to score political points. The truth is when this kind of stuff gets sent around, it’s used as an effective marketing tool for terrorist groups. These kids may have meant this as a tasteless joke but it’ll likely cost people lives once 20 or 30 (a conservative estimate) more sign up to suicide bomb. I’ve taught Iraqis and Saudis who have shown me photos of Palestinian and Iraqi corpses that never make it into the American press–mothers dying with young kids in their arms, etc–so you can bet this has already made the rounds. 

Oh, no, not peeing on enemy corpses! Anything but that! What’s next, tearing pages out of the Koran?

Well, yea.  But, I provided the correct measured response that Perry, or any other candidate should offer regarding our great warriors put into harms way, and we asked them to deliver violence on our nations adversaries. Its not fun, its not pretty, and can be humiliating on the battlefield and our soldiers minds.

We dont like these pictures or actions unbecoming, but, let the local commanders deliver their condemnations based on regulation, not crucify the marines in the media by allowing asking these quesitons to the candidates about this ongoing investigative activity. We remember the 6 marines at Haditha Iraq, was condemned prematurely for mass killing, but all were eventually found innocent, but the virtual trial was almost condeming for these warriors. I dont think the liberals and moderates need anymore video ammo to attack our serving military wariors. I think the candidates should perhaps, just say that.

How self righteous of you….  condemnation is a pretty strong word to be used against these young men who have offered to sacrifice their lives for this country…  Yes it was a stupid act…  one that brings no favorable credit to our military…  but to strip these men of all honor and of gratitude for their service for one testosterone and adrenaline filled moment of stupidity is just as shameful as the act which you seem to find so offensive.  Would you take satisfaction if these young men were to come home to serve time in prison? Do you have any understanding of what lead up to this behavior?  Do you take this same attitude to criminal justice proceeding here in our civil courts?

And when did war become civilized?  I wonder what we would have seen coming from all of our previous wars had we had the video technologies embedded that we have available today?  

Late on the evening of May 1, 2011, and in to the morning hours of May 2, 2011, people all over America went into the streets in spontaneous celebrations of joy, because President Obama announced that the United States Military had just killed Osama Bin Laden!  We did not give a damn what any of our enemies thought about America or had to say about America.  After almost 10 years, a small measure of justice had been handed out to the man who had orchestrated the September 11, 2001, attacks on America which had killed almost 3000 American citizens. American citizens were overjoyed and relieved that the mission had been accomplished.  Remembering how we all reacted when we heard the news (and none of us were in a zone of possible immediate death), it is easy to understand why the four Marines in the video reacted the way that they did.  It was not right.  It was not justifiable.  It was, however, understandable.Slap them on the wrists and tell them not to do it again. Then let us accomplish the mission and eliminate any and all threats to the security of the United States!

War is hell….piss on all of ‘em…dead or alive.  These guys are heros…putting their lives on line for us, so we sit in our comfortable bedrooms and judge them pissing on a bunch of dead creeps that were trying to kill them?

Late on the evening of May 1, 2011, and in to the morning hours of May 2, 2011, people all over America went into the streets in spontaneous celebrations of joy, because President Obama announced that the United States Military had just killed Osama Bin Laden!  We did not give a damn what any of our enemies thought about America or had to say about America.  After almost 10 years, a small measure of justice had been handed out to the man who had orchestrated the September 11, 2001, attacks on America which had killed almost 3000 American citizens. American citizens were overjoyed and relieved that the mission had been accomplished.  Remembering how we all reacted when we heard the news (and none of us were in a zone of possible immediate death), it is easy to understand why the four Marines in the video reacted the way that they did.  It was not right.  It was not justifiable.  It was, however, understandable.Slap them on the wrists and tell them not to do it again. Then let us accomplish the mission and eliminate any and all threats to the security of the United States!

Late on the evening of May 1, 2011, and in to the morning hours of May 2, 2011, people all over America went into the streets in spontaneous celebrations of joy, because President Obama announced that the United States Military had just killed Osama Bin Laden!  We did not give a damn what any of our enemies thought about America or had to say about America.  After almost 10 years, a small measure of justice had been handed out to the man who had orchestrated the September 11, 2001, attacks on America which had killed almost 3000 American citizens. American citizens were overjoyed and relieved that the mission had been accomplished.  Remembering how we all reacted when we heard the news (and none of us were in a zone of possible immediate death), it is easy to understand why the four Marines in the video reacted the way that they did.  It was not right.  It was not justifiable.  It was, however, understandable.Slap them on the wrists and tell them not to do it again. Then let us accomplish the mission and eliminate any and all threats to the security of the United States!

President Obama didn’t say that. When you used the quotes, you lied, Jeff,

Late on the evening of May 1, 2011, and in to the morning hours of May 2, 2011, people all over America went into the streets in spontaneous celebrations of joy, because President Obama announced that the United States Military had just killed Osama Bin Laden!  We did not give a damn what any of our enemies thought about America or had to say about America.  After almost 10 years, a small measure of justice had been handed out to the man who had orchestrated the September 11, 2001, attacks on America which had killed almost 3000 American citizens. American citizens were overjoyed and relieved that the mission had been accomplished.  Remembering how we all reacted when we heard the news (and none of us were in a zone of possible immediate death), it is easy to understand why the four Marines in the video reacted the way that they did.  It was not right.  It was not justifiable.  It was, however, understandable.Slap them on the wrists and tell them not to do it again. Then let us accomplish the mission and eliminate any and all threats to the security of the United States!

No one is suggesting that these guys get thrown in prison, but they did something that is morally repugnant and could be used to recruit more Taliban volunteers. From a merely practical standpoint, the military leadership needs to condemn this to soften the response from the Muslim world. These guys peeing on some bodies isn’t worth other soldiers getting blown up over the outrage this is definitely going to elicit. 

And, yes, war isn’t civilized, but we pretend it is. When we go into another country spouting civilized rhetoric and claiming to follow international laws, we are held accountable for not following through on those promises. One thing we’re expected not to do is needlessly desecrate the dead. 

As a Texan, I’ve never liked Perry. He pretends to be a good ol’ boy but he’s just a rich kid who plays at ranching. Unsurprisingly, he’s distorting the White House’s stance on what the soldiers did for his own political purposes, which is actually more reprehensible than anything he’s accusing Obama of doing. 

He doesn’t even have the same reaction when a college kid has a bit of hash. Jail time! Complete, pandering hypocrite.

Reefs? Wreaths, i should think.

Please do not confuse Ron Paul as being weak on defense because he is not…  He does not believe in military adventurism which in no way means that he does not support our military or the defense of the United States..  Study your history and study original intent of the militia system provided for in our constitution.  Our founders saw that as a people we would defend our own soil with a vigor that would afford no country dominance over us, but they also knew that foreign adventurism was a dangerous course for our country to partake that would eventually lead to a weakened nation.  Now instead of having the militia system that our founders proposed where most all citizens serve and are trained and capable of the defense of our country we have relegated that responsibility to a very few and our general population does not bear the pain and sacrifice of war allowing our political elite to put us into wars in which we don’t belong. For the general populace the sacrifice of modern war becomes little more than the economic pressure exerted on their families by the inflation caused by the deficit spending wars create…  

they were all found innocent but they did kill 23 people including eight women and five children.

Which assumes that Sarah Palin is also a complete idiot? I don’t think you could recognize intelligence if you saw it.

He simply doesn’t grasp the PR nightmare that acts like this represent.

He seems to understand Panetta and Clinton making it more of a PR nightmare than it needs to be.

Whose support among our Arab allies have we lost?

“When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays
there all day, a German will get to him eventually. The hell with
that idea. The hell with taking it. My men don’t dig foxholes.
I don’t want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep
moving. And don’t give the enemy time to dig one either. We’ll
win this war, but we’ll win it only by fighting and by showing
the Germans that we’ve got more guts than they have; or ever will
have. We’re not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we’re
going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease
the treads of our tanks. We’re going to murder those lousy Hun
cocksuckers by the bushel-fucking-basket. War is a bloody, killing
business. You’ve got to spill their blood, or they will spill
yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells
are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face
and realize that instead of dirt it’s the blood and guts of what
once was your best friend beside you, you’ll know what to do!”

Keep Austin weird!

War is hell but necessary. The mehodology, tactics, techniques and procedures have got to be honed, and utilized without mercy when engaging. It takes a strong tummy, a non stoppable will to win, and a leadership that knows that we cannot wage war with our pinkys in the air.

So did these Marines.

WHY DO LIBERALS HATE OUR MILITARY?
Rep. Allen West (R-FL), a former Army lieutenant colonel, sent The
Weekly Standard an email commenting on a recent video depicting what
appears to be four U.S. Marines urinating on the corpses of Taliban
terrorists. The email reads as follows [emphases added]:

I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our
Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous
indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies
dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and
condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their
bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.

All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to
chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne
Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?

The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field
grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General
Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them
in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally
apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing
the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
CONTINUE READING: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/unless-you-have-been-shot-at-by-the-taliban-shut-your-mouth-war-is-hell-allen-west-weighs-in-on-urinating-marine-scandal/

Let the the local commanders prosecute the story, not the media, nor the political candidates. Their opinions in this episode specifically, isnt relevent.

If by “he” you mean Perry, I agree with you. This whole thing is being blown totally out of proportion. It’s not like the soldiers killed any innocent women or children, for God’s sake. When are we going to stop being so sensitive to people who want nothing more than to see us all dead? They should be reprimanded and then this needs to be let go of once and for all. Time to grow up, America!

WHY DO LIBERALS HATE OUR MILITARY?
Rep. Allen West (R-FL), a former Army lieutenant colonel, sent The
Weekly Standard an email commenting on a recent video depicting what
appears to be four U.S. Marines urinating on the corpses of Taliban
terrorists. The email reads as follows [emphases added]:

I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our
Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous
indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies
dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and
condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their
bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.

All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to
chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne
Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?

The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field
grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General
Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them
in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally
apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing
the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
CONTINUE READING: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/unless-you-have-been-shot-at-by-the-taliban-shut-your-mouth-war-is-hell-allen-west-weighs-in-on-urinating-marine-scandal/

Well you know we have got “God on our side” and these soldiers just have to “get born again” and everything wlll be fine.  The men who they’ve killed aren’t “Cristiyans” and are going to hell anyway, according to the RR

XGOP man: unless you have a CIB or are a combat marine,STFU.You armchair commenters are injecting civilian values into a military situation you have no memories of.

Agreed.

Maybe it is time for us to bring these guys home, and let’s not pretend that war is a place where standards of civility are maintained….  Only in America and maybe some European nations would there be any such expectation because we somehow deluded ourselves into thinking that we are more are a more evolved people.  Well, we train our warriors to kill, not to be civil.  There will come a day where young men will no longer serve this country because they will not feel that their country rewards their service…  Again I do not like what these young men did, as a country we should acknowledge that it was wrong for them to do so..  but there is no need for us to express our outrage, nor apologize to our enemy.  

Cool, bro-ham. What about the rest of the state? 

What rubbish! Our troops always dug in, especially when under 120mm mortar  and nebelwerfer fire. Patton was such a purveyor of hyperbolic nonsense. 19th Century French forts around Metz held up Patton for over a month.

Obama doesn’t throw anyone in the brig.  The military policies its own.  It has its own system of justice .and code of conduct.  They will decide what they should do.  In the military, stupid mistakes are not allowed.

Silver, it’s a bit too late for that. Anyone who makes a video that can be posted in 30 seconds to Youtube, especially something like this, should realize what they’re risking. Once the story is out, there’s no controlling it. So it’s not about what should or shouldn’t be done. The only question is how to deal with the mess these guys created. 

Perry said “18, 19-year-old kids make stupid mistakes all too often and that’s what’s occurred here.”

Fair enough Guv, but you have been putting 18 and 19 year old kids to death in your State for making “stupid mistakes.”

So in other words, just ignore it then condemn anyone who brings the issue up? And you wonder why the right is always losing credibility?

Ron Paul is a dangerous kook. As respectfully to his chosen pot smoking followers.  I am a war monger, so my sensitivities are in following very closely how poorly sheik obama has waged our fight, and how a future would be president Jew hater, and one that is ignorant to the fact that because he cannot see our nations adversaries, somehow they do not exist. Or perhaps the global power that we projected for ever, Ron Paul and his anti US defense policy (denial is still anti US defense) isnt necessary to protect our interests. Hormuz, Dardanelle straights from Turkiye, Syria, Iran, N.Korea,Cuba, Africa tribal fights, etc… so many places. Now I do have my priorities of what to do first. Which fight is the most important, but we cannot forget the fight here on the home front first. Its the fight for the identity of our nation. Ron Paul, and the likes of Sheik obama will attempt to redefine our global role. Its a dangerous world, not a peaceful world and we have to do business in this world and be prepared to continue to protect our friends and our activities abroad. Naivite’ and anti war sentiment is a reckless approach to national security.

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Ron Paul is a dangerous kook. As respectfully to his chosen pot smoking followers.  I am a war monger, so my sensitivities are in following very closely how poorly sheik obama has waged our fight, and how a future would be president Jew hater, and one that is ignorant to the fact that because he cannot see our nations adversaries, somehow they do not exist. Or perhaps the global power that we projected for ever, Ron Paul and his anti US defense policy (denial is still anti US defense) isnt necessary to protect our interests. Hormuz, Dardanelle straights from Turkiye, Syria, Iran, N.Korea,Cuba, Africa tribal fights, etc… so many places. Now I do have my priorities of what to do first. Which fight is the most important, but we cannot forget the fight here on the home front first. Its the fight for the identity of our nation. Ron Paul, and the likes of Sheik obama will attempt to redefine our global role. Its a dangerous world, not a peaceful world and we have to do business in this world and be prepared to continue to protect our friends and our activities abroad. Naivite’ and anti war sentiment is a reckless approach to national security.

The White House has been silent, but Clinton and Panetta opened their pie holes, and the public is giving both a smackdown. I think the 3rd Batt 2nd, should have a parade in NYC during Fleet Week, with a float featuring a ‘golden shower’ on our enemies.

Trouble is,which the macho military loving cranially challenged righties can’t comprehend due to their extremely small worldviews, the story has broken. It is out in the open. And ultimately the president and the Pentagon are responsible. Trying to contain it and lob it back to the company commander is childish logic. Even the USMC brass condemned it.

Ron Paul is a dangerous kook. As respectfully to his chosen pot smoking followers.  I am a war monger, so my sensitivities are in following very closely how poorly sheik obama has waged our fight, and how a future would be president Jew hater, and one that is ignorant to the fact that because he cannot see our nations adversaries, somehow they do not exist. Or perhaps the global power that we projected for ever, Ron Paul and his anti US defense policy (denial is still anti US defense) isnt necessary to protect our interests. Hormuz, Dardanelle straights from Turkiye, Syria, Iran, N.Korea,Cuba, Africa tribal fights, etc… so many places. Now I do have my priorities of what to do first. Which fight is the most important, but we cannot forget the fight here on the home front first. Its the fight for the identity of our nation. Ron Paul, and the likes of Sheik obama will attempt to redefine our global role. Its a dangerous world, not a peaceful world and we have to do business in this world and be prepared to continue to protect our friends and our activities abroad. Naivite’ and anti war sentiment is a reckless approach to national security.

Why are U.S. Marines considered the world’s premier warriors? 
http://www.usmcpress.com/heritage/corp_values.htmEach Marine must cling to an uncompromising code of personal integrity, accountable for his actions and holding others accountable for theirs.  And, above all, honor mandates that a Marine never sully the reputation of his Corps. 

Excessive violence including rape and mutilation has gone along with war since time has begun.  At least, with this Bush crusade, Pablo hasn’t gone as far as the first Christian crusade to Jerusalem where the Christians were eating the corpses.

The founding fathers; new nation was military weak but safe due to geographic isolation, in a pre radio, TV, aerial, industrial,  and machine age. Such concepts are as antiquated as slavery today.

The law is the law. Perry doesn’t make them he enforces them. Deal with it.

BUSH!!!

*drink*

That is reverse logic, you are blaming the negative reaction from the Arabs on those two. Not just bad logic, but a complete lie!

Texas doesn’t execute people for peeing on dead people.

While this is no big crime, it is a PR nightmare. When I heard that stupid Texan cracker all but blame Obama, he sounded exactly like a mindless dittohead rant on some crummy talk radio show that I heard earlier. Which wouldn’t be far fetched because all the right wing candidates pattern themselves after the worst of talk radio

More like: “Why do right wing fatheads have no class or honesty?”

According to your small dittohead worldview, the USMC brass must be liberals too.

Yeah, those Taliban were on their way to blow up a shopping center in Memphis, glad they got stopped 10K miles away.

You need to re-read Bin Laden’s actual speech.  He denied having planned it but lauded the perpetrators because now we would know how his people felt when they were bombed. He considered it payback. He asked why, when the Russians invaded and he fought them, he was called a hero, but when the USA invaded and he fights them, he is a terrorist.  Either way both are invasions and those people just want us out of there. Support for the Taliban increased because we were killing more of them than they were.  The actual death count of the arabic people, directly or indirectly from this war, stands at 1,500,000.

no, he is wrong.  they pissed on some mother’s dead son.  you’re are right to tell america to grow up, and not shame your entire nation when you are trusted to “protect” it. 

Time to grow up, America!
Yes, you and barely literate creeps like Rick Perry need to take that advice.

She certainly gives people that impression

So the USMC brass must be injecting armchair civilian values too. There was no reason to urinate on the corpses and then film it? Get a grip!

Condemn only those that post such violations. Let the the commanders deal with the actions unbecoming of their unit personnel.

If they were headed for Memphis, Graceland would have been their target.  They fear that the films of Elvis gyrating his hips will turn on all those teenage girls underneath their berquas.

By stopping the enemy in Afghanistan, we keep them out of Memphis!

More like: “Why do right wing fatheads have no class or honesty?”

According to your small dittohead worldview, the USMC brass must be liberals too.

You and I can disagree. I support Paul’s position more so than I do having military bases all over the world and supporting a national ego that would have American blood and treasure defending the likes of European nations who long ago happily relegated that to the United States, involving ourselves in an ever increasing entanglement of the middle east, and the defense of the Asian pacific nations that have also become reliant on the blood and treasure of this country to secure their freedoms…  and what have we really derived from this attitude?  We are one of the most hated nations of the world, yes there are many who admire us but there are many who would take pleasure in watching us fall…  Why is this?  Instead of setting the example of freedom and liberty that the world would recognize and envy we have involved our nation in trying to mold the world and country’s to our liking alienating their peoples and governments.  We are not that shining city upon the hill that we claim to be as no matter our intention our entanglements over our history have cost us dearly…  we have everything in this country that we need…  We have the energy resources any other capacities to be self sufficient should  troubles overseas disrupt normal international trade…  There is really no need for us to fashion ourselves as policemen of the world this posture if properly analyzed it has not served our country well and has given us enemies that we would otherwise not have.  We do not set the example that other nations look to, we engender in them a resentment of our willingness to us our power to influence outcomes that are not within our pervue.  

Paul is right, the defense of our nation is just that defense, a military strong enough that no country would dare hostilities on our soil as they would know that the price they would pay would be one which they could ill afford..  Other than that by peaceful intercourse of trade and commerce our fortunes would be expanded and our taxes lowered, and our government could better attend to the purposes it for which it was intended.  

You are as classy as you are insightful

Good call, that is why the USMC brass condemns it too. But according to all the mouthbreathers here, it’s time to blame the liberals.

The law is the law. the president, USMC and the UCMJ don’t make them, they enforces them. Deal with it.

I think I would disagree. I say, stop being politically correct and wage our wars with blinders on. Stop worrying about how the world perceives our fight if we step out of bounds. Unfortunately, I think it is necessary to utizlize unconventional techniques and psychological methods to stop our adversaries. No, we dont like our soldiers and civilians, support elements being drug around or showcased when caught on the battlefield. But, if the adversary were afraid of being collected by us on the battlefield, you would see a faster pace war. Instead, we answer to a global body, UN, etc… so unfortunate. We would have a better response when we asked the enemy to sit down and renegotiate their stance against our task and purpose if they feared us and refusal to lay low.

Old Blood and Guts knew a thing or two about war and now with the miracle of small affordable video cameras and youtube we can all enjoy it. Yeah, war porn.

Too late for that Silver. Bad enough they did, but they filmed it too. You are trying to put the broken egg back together.

Yet another reason why this fool will never be President.  He’s so flippin’ stupid he makes George Bush look like a Rhodes Scholar.  Anyone that would make such a statement has not mental structure to be President.  Clearly forgot to pull up the volume on the DVD ‘Your Baby Can Read.” 

The USMC brass are officers, sensitive to civilian values,mores and political correctness. NCO’s and the grunts on the ground DO get the job done, even when our own leadership hobbles them with stupid directives,like not having chambered rounds in their M-4′s, or presenting ribbons for not killing enemies. Like Bob Hope said during WW2,”God save us from democrats, for we just might win this war.”

Flat out lie.

The Marines broke no law.

No, we are not one of the most hated. I travel much, and I assure you that the US is not hated. Now I wont lie to you, the orange haired, ear ring wearing liberals in Europe much like sheik obama and his ideology, and will indeed like the Ron paulies for sure. But, thats not our America, nor is it our American way. We do many great things for so many nations, whether it be feeding the afflicted in Banda Aceh Indonesia during the Tsunami blast, or feeding the Haitians during and earthquake. We are loved as a nation and so is our military for delivering our security blanket to places like Saudi, and Israel. Yes, many ideological differences between our countries, but America is the most liked. Liberals are very annoyed with our model. I  realize this.  

I, personally, dont have a problem with what the soldiers did. I KNEW some “NEW GOP” idiot would attempt to make these feelings clear. WHAT I also knew was that which ever one of the NEW GOP group would step forward, his/her ..ok, HIS take on this moment would be absolutely un-presidential in approach. THERE were easily a few other ways to attempt to make his feelings clear, but pulling Obama’s group DOWN is stupid. The MINORITY of this country will voice their opinion about this even favorably. THE MAJORITY will stand on PC and look down their noses at such behavior.. SO bringing up The White House is campaigning FOR Obama -Perry you idiot- and making such a claim without being very careful (Perry you idiot) would also play in favor of The White House. Oh well.. YAY NEW GOP you guys have yet to let us all down. Well, that is after letting us all down.

JonasP…the USMC brass are officers, they think differently than the men in the field. They must balance political correctness and leadership of their men. I find no dishonor in the video the Marines made anymore than the ART work by Serrano Anores; who did the ‘Piss Christ’ exihibit in NYC in 1987. Should they have been done, no, but if the left defends the piss christ exhibit, they should defend the marines’ video by the same reasoning.
The PR nightmare that I saw in 2011, was the ‘NON-WAR’ launched by Hiliary Clinton against Libya. The blood is on her hands, not Obama’s. Her condemnation of the Marines’ Video is Hypocricy+.

Sorry Duke, it doesn’t work that way. The military is under civilian control in this country so you had better get used to those civilian values being injected into military situations. At least until such time as civilians are under military control, then you can dictate what is or is not discussed in a public forum.

Well nice of you to announce you upcoming statement.

Maybe laying reefs is slang for sucking on a hookah.

How far can the troops go before they get criticized by republicans?

LOL I have to laugh, not at what you said but also at myself… I have always been a staunch conservative but as our country has gone through so much change of late it has caused me to take a second look at our country and study our origin and founding in greater detail, the more that I have studied the more I have found a libertarian streak within myself… I too have traveled, maybe not as extensively as have you but I would offer that maybe our relationship is bitter sweet in much of the world… Yes, we do good work all over the world and this can not be denied, but we also have a long history of manipulation and agendas that have not served us well and had we left countries alone issues would have resolved themselves at a lessor costs and possibly with better outcomes than what we had effected. Why do we believe it our right to impose our will on the rest of the world when we would never tolerate the imposition of any other country imposing their will upon our own nation… People and nations as they mature will seek the freedom and liberty of man… we can best help them by assuring our own… we are seeing this now in the middle east, and I am well aware that this current revolution may not render results that we will be happy with but as if a testament to the notion that I suggest we are already seeing a second season of discontent in Egypt, as those who took power after the fall of Mubarak have not addressed the freedom and liberties of the people as promised… Yes, there will be many choices made that we will not agree with but really what gives us the right to intervene? Our superior might? And is that a principle which we can live with, one that is a basis for a just society?

It is my belief that we should take care of our own country and let the other countries of the world take care of themselves… this does not mean that we can not be a charitable nation, but we must stop projecting our military might to the corners of the world… it will not continue to serve us well. It will not be long before we have kids in a room somewhere in Iran flying their drones over US cities…. we will not stay free from conflict in the technology age before us and our current posture invites our enemies to exact upon us what they feel we have exacted upon them.

We are supposed to be a principled nation, we should live the principle towards other nations that we would have exacted upon our own. And as far as intervention in Iran, I have every confidence in Israel’s ability to defend it’s own soil, and if the Iranians get a little to crazy we all know that Israel has a nuclear arsenal that is comprised of 100′s of warheads not just a couple.. I am sure that Israel will do what it must to protect itself.

Anyway it has been good conversing with you.

That is senseless. Most of the USMC brass are combat vets too. You don’t like them because they tend to be more educated and reasonable. You can’t have a modern military without commanders, officers and nasty little things like the UCMJ. They have rules and laws against such behavior, sorry if that concept is too adult for you to comprehend

And Bob Hope must have had sun stroke, because in WW 2, the presidency and both houses of Congress were controlled by Democrats.

He’s Sarah Palin minus  the notes written on his hand.  The stupid part was filming it. Afghans have a long history of disrespect for the wounded or dead. Rudyard Kipling wrote of his experience with the Afghans:
“When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.”

Okay, let’s raise taxes, impose rationing, restart the draft and go all out.

You mean like that other famous Texan?

How do you know all the men in the field approve of this? What if the enemy started desecrating or even booby trapping our dead guys in retaliation? There are rules against that sort of behavior. So why aren’t you bothered this time by people breaking rules? What relation this has to some crappy artist’s work is nonexistent. Since our guys eliminated a very old nemesis of the USA without losing a man, you claim of Libya being a PR nightmare is amazing.

Assume?
It’s documented.

Here

http://www.google.com

When they go out and flaunt their gayness, Then this John Wayne wannabee will have a stroke and make another stupid campaign ad.

I am not opposed to the draft. But, the draft will not be necessary under a Paul presidency, or another occupied white house (OWH) Sheik Obama presidency. At least not now, when Russia begins to assert her self again, and she will you will then wonder why the apostate President deserted our war on two front approach to our Defense Strategy. I assure you that ambiguous messages sent from weak and inexperienced leadership is just plain crazy dangerous. I am opposed to raising taxes, but, I have other ideas, solutions for paying for a very strong defense. Never waivering on this yet still paying down our debt. Newt dot org for some ideas too.

I’ve forgotten my Kipling, but what a revalent post!

And you are probably a depressed northeasterner from a failing state who has “TX state of mind”, you poor you!

well, I appreciate your soft style approach to ensuring that our nation remains respected, protected, and well represented. I have looked into the face our nations adversaries, and I do not like what I see.

I do not believe that a peaceful US and the use of simple dialogue will keep our nation first or on top in all categories of global respect, defense, and stability while maintaining the ability to launch our interests in the manner necessary to influence others nations.

Yes, we could let our friends, such as Israel be on her own, but, what good is NATO and our alliances with our friends if we dont support them when they are under real duress? I must tell you that Israel is under seige by the likes of the muslim brotherhood, Iran, possibly Russia and others. Israel does need our support, we have many interests in these regions from energy, and many other industries in trade and commerce. The 3rd world ideology that is now implace to rule that region is wanting to oust Israel as a nation and this alone will destablize our reach and interests. Its terribly unsafe and sad that we cannot see this as Americans as “our fight”, even if its our friends the jews.

This is one of several issues that I have with leaving the world alone when we have to do our nations business in a world that has bad guys in it, not just on our American shores either. Nice chatting with you as well.

 
And you are probably a depressed northeasterner from a failing state who has “TX state of mind”, you may suffer from melancholy!!

well, I appreciate your soft style approach to ensuring that our nation remains respected, protected, and well represented. I have looked into the face our nations adversaries, and I do not like what I see.

I do not believe that a peaceful US and the use of simple dialogue will keep our nation first or on top in all categories of global respect, defense, and stability while maintaining the ability to launch our interests in the manner necessary to influence others nations.

Yes, we could let our friends, such as Israel be on her own, but, what good is NATO and our alliances with our friends if we dont support them when they are under real duress? I must tell you that Israel is under seige by the likes of the muslim brotherhood, Iran, possibly Russia and others. Israel does need our support, we have many interests in these regions from energy, and many other industries in trade and commerce. The 3rd world ideology that is now implace to rule that region is wanting to oust Israel as a nation and this alone will destablize our reach and interests. Yes, nuks are an option throughout the world, but, I promise if this comes down to the launching of nuks when simple solidarity from the US to its allies would send a more collective message then I prefer that as our choice. Nuks would ruin that region, and our interests would collapse. Its a terribly unsafe time, and I promise its not going away. Its verysad that we cannot see this as Americans, and as “our fight”, even if its our friends the jews or other allies.

This is one of several issues that I have with leaving the world alone when we have to do our nations business in a world that really does have bad guys operating in it, not just concerned with what happening on our American shores either. Nice chatting with you as well!

well, I appreciate your soft style approach to ensuring that our nation remains respected, protected, and well represented. I have looked into the face our nations adversaries, and I do not like what I see.

I do not believe that a peaceful US and the use of simple dialogue will keep our nation first or on top in all categories of global respect, defense, and stability while maintaining the ability to launch our interests in the manner necessary to influence others nations.

Yes, we could let our friends, such as Israel be on her own, but, what good is NATO and our alliances with our friends if we dont support them when they are under real duress? I must tell you that Israel is under seige by the likes of the muslim brotherhood, Iran, possibly Russia and others. Israel does need our support, we have many interests in these regions from energy, and many other industries in trade and commerce. The 3rd world ideology that is now implace to rule that region is wanting to oust Israel as a nation and this alone will destablize our reach and interests. Yes, nuks are an option throughout the world, but, I promise if this comes down to the launching of nuks when simple solidarity from the US to its allies would send a more collective message then I prefer that as our choice. Nuks would ruin that region, and our interests would collapse. Its a terribly unsafe time, and I promise its not going away. Its verysad that we cannot see this as Americans, and as “our fight”, even if its our friends the jews or other allies.

This is one of several issues that I have with leaving the world alone when we have to do our nations business in a world that really does have bad guys operating in it, not just concerned with what happening on our American shores either. Nice chatting with you as well!

What negative reaction from the Arabs? I’m saying that Clinton and Panetta are giving it far more attention than it needs. There’s no lie there and the failure of logic is yours.

Officers and noncoms are different in the way they get things done. Civilian control is a plus, but Hiliary’s mouth did not help this situation, only inflamed it. The laws of war are like the laws of urban cities in America, some enforceable, some ignored. FDR and the congress were in charge, until 1947, when the Republicans had the biggest turnover in history for the mismanagement of the economy in years 1933-39. Hope’s comments ring true today after Korea,Vietnam,Somalia;  Iraq and AFPAK are still in doubt, a loss or a tie?

Our troops-supporting media should just report that endlessly and breathlessly, whether it happened or not. Again.

Just scrolling through some of these comments, you can see why the US is in such steep decline. When you are fighting a counter insurgency like we are in Afghanistan the objective is to win hearts and minds of the local populace who have also been terrorized by the Taliban and Al Qaeda.   Counterinsurgency Center Files http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/coin/KC.asp
So these calls from Republicans that this is war and we should emulate the tactics of the enemy just shows how intellectually devolved and retarded they’ve become from the comfy and powerful echo chambers of the Fox News, Talk Radio, and the Drudge Report. They have zero sense of reasoning or critical thinking, instead bleating the most inane spin and talking points about the Liberal Media which is actually Corporate, and the radical leftist Obama who is actually quite moderate and centrist. You can see why they look up to an ignorant and racist dolt like Gov. Rick Perry. 

Yeah, this is pretty strong language, huh? Not.

What the hell do you expect them to say, especially with SecDef and SecState out babbling about it?

Jeesh dude, do you need to be so insulting in every post?  Have you even read the new commenting policy? 

You are correct to a point, although I do not think it would have pissed off the French of Polish Underground during WW2 if some American GIs mistreated Nazis.  

Also, we are pretty much at the point where everything we do as American’s is being used by religious rabble rousers like of the Taliban and the Wahhabi’s against us.  If they are using say, America allowing homosexual marriage, or not shaving, or playing of music as a means to rally their dissatisfied youth against us, would you suddenly become against those things?

I think our country really needs to decide how we want to fight war:  as the good guys or just “go Roman”.

I think I am leaning towards it is time to go Roman, not because that is the only way to win, but because of how we are raising our young”  we raise them saying there is no such thing as a “protected symbol” not the American Flag, not the Cross/Church/Temple/Mosque, not the Police or even the President.  Then we send them off to fight our wars and ask them to start respecting other people’s “protected symbols”. 

Not sure how you can square that with people being told to kill while avoiding the mistakes that happen when people get mad or an adrenaline rush.  It may be best to just let our soldiers be soldiers when they have to.  Playing as the nice guys sure does not seem to be helping. 

Another Hero  -  defending other weak Heroes.

I believe our soldiers and marines should urinate on every Taliban fighter until they run out of pee, then kill all the ones still surviving.

What did the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense say after Abhu Graib? Why do conservatives hate our troops?

Rep. Allen West can go to hell.

You act as if the Secretaries of Defense and State are the problem here. They’re not. They had to address this situation head on the same way Rumsfeld and Powell had to address the mess created by the Abu Ghraib scandal. So far the the only people politicizing this are Allen West and Rick Perry.

The problem is, we’re drowning in symbolism and lacking in humanity.

Another chicken-livered slug – defending other chicken-livered slugs

Go hug a tree (not the one you urinated on)

and when the taleban piss on the corpses of those heros and put it on you tube, well, war is hell.

rossevelt was presented with the arm bone of a japanese soldier to use as a paper weight, the nazis made lampshades out of the skin of jews,

just keep invading countries and killing the population, im sure it will all work out in the end.

Rick Perry was a C-130 pilot,Captain USAF, George Bush a Lt. F-102 pilot National Guard. So before you start calling these College educated officers ‘fool’ and ‘dumb’, return to school and learn sentence structure and cohisive thinking. God I miss my old Poli Sci professor who could engage in political thought, on both sides of the same issue.

Since when did the Taliban ever follow rules that the West imposed on itself. The Taliban’s rules are laid out in the Koran. Seal Team 6 got OBL, not Obama. By your reasoning Richard Nixon was resposible for putting a man on the moon in 1969.

last I checked we are talking about Afghanistan and the Taliban- the country that according to even most Democrats was the one we should have invaded. 

I think we all need to step back and realize no one has confirmed yet the video is authentic.

2 Points:

1. No Rick, your kids make stupid mistakes because you’re stupid and your kids are a product of your loins, upbringing and parenting.

2. The reason these “kids” are in this situation is because the military isn’t capable of recruiting adults stupid enough to do their bidding. 

Perhaps! But New rule – don’t videotape it and upload it to Youtube!

Germans?????  The war with the Germans has been over for 66 years. 

You sound like you’ve been reading too many action novels..

What do you expect our government to say, something stupid like Perry’s comment or some talk radio tough guy trash talk? You seem to forget, we are supposed to be fighting for the Karzai government and all the Afghanis who are on our side. You’re right, Hillary should have just said “Piss off, America is so much better than you that we can do what we want!”. Kind of thought the Secretary of State is supposed to be a diplomat, not some token redneck bottom feeder like Alan West.

Neither of them saw combat nor have the slightest concept of how to conduct foreign policy.

Expecting a little common decency from our troops concerning enemy dead is not a burden or a hindrance. We are supposed to be there at the behest of our Afghani allies, not to add to our empire.

I am sure that somewhere in the Geneva Conventions, UCMJ or Marine rules there is something about treating the enemy dead with respect. While this is not an atrocity, once it got out in the open, the Whitehouse was obligated to at least sound like they are showing some concern less we be perceived as a nation of totally crude barbaric trash. Even if a GOPer was the president now, even this pathetic clown, he prolly would have said something similar.

Let me respond from this quote by Allen West: ”I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah. All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq? The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”

Now THAT is a real answer to you military-hating folks.http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

No that is not really so true, study our history. Our founders were not weak on military but they did see that our people did not support foreign wars fought to preserve and create wealth for a few and the cost of lives of the children of many. They understood that as a nation we would rise to defend our own soil and do so ferociously but they also saw that our nation was not supportive of wars abroad. There is nothing weak about a militia system, study Switzerland in WWII, the only country that Hitler never invaded as his generals felt that the cost of doing so would be to great, then recognize that it was a militia system that defended Israel in the 6 day war….

Militia systems are extremely effective for defense because a properly trained militia allows a country such as ours have 10′s of millions trained fighters at her disposal to defend her. But militias as our forefathers recognized, are useless for adventurism abroad, for such folly a standing army is required.

Not a big Perry fan…but he is a Gov. and running for Prez…what the hell are you doing?

EXCELLENT POST JERRY.  Agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really…and what are you contributing to the world, outside of a stupid post like the above.

Sounds good to me.  They can chop up body parts, or scalp them.  Who cares?  As long as you kill them.

The only thing Muslim fear is the brute force of the enemy. 
We need to crush them, piss on them…show NO mercy.  Then we will have a peaceful muslim nation.  You can’t fight people like this like a bunch of pany waist little girls.  Kill them and then defile their bodies anyway possible.  Watch how quick the “war” stops.

The whole affair only goes to show that either those who join the military are prone to enjoy violence and debase behavior or that the military turns them into those kind of people. That’s who we civilians have to deal with once they return home to live more normal lives. 

He is not right. Every man and woman who wears the uniform of the US military is a representative of what America is all about. The so called reverence for life we all hear about.  Not only did these young men act is the most ignorant manner but they were either  stupid or proud enough to allow the acts to be video taped. What does that say about American values. Especially after they the brass went through so much trouble to give Bin Laden a decent burial and not leave room for critics. Now this stupid act undoes our efforts at showing respect for our enemies. 

Rudyard Kipling narrated events that happened well over a century ago, and just a little over 60 years ago Americans were still lynching people of colour and disrespecting their bodies. Your argument is invalid.

You are so full of class and humanity.

Like some of his troops used to say, his guts, our blood

or the one you live in?

Yup, anyone who objects to this, and/or  fails to relive every atrocity of the enemy against our troops (notice how none listed by “General MacArthur” were in Afghanistan) must be a hater of the military. That is so fanatical, any criticism means you hate them. I guess a mother who chastises her kid even mildly must hate him

You would think that we as a nation have grown over the last 65 years. It instead looks like we’ve actually gone back 100 instead. We allowed Bush to use Waterboarding on detainees. Yet,during the Nuremberg trials we sentenced Japanese soldiers to 15 years for doing the same. Do we as a nation need to apologize to the Japanese because we did the same thing?

I know that these soldiers are not 10 year old’s that is what these little boys are acting like. And as such we need to take away their Drivers Licenses since they don’t act like 18 year old’s and those who are over 21 we need to take away their access to beer as another thing that it’s a privilege that is given to those who are adults which these little boys aren’t. Do we actually need to add these things to the UCMJ,

the NCIS had identified and interviewed all four of the Marines appearing in the video. At the time, they were filmed urinating on the bodies, the four were members of the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marines, which fought in the southern Afghan province of Helmand for seven months before returning to their home base at Camp Lejeune, N.C., last September.Two of the four, plus the commander of the battalion, had moved on to other assignments before the video appeared on the Internet, according to Marine Corps officials who spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss an active investigation. The Marines’ names have not been made public.

If the “kids made the stupid mistake” of urinating on Perry’s lawn, he’d send them to jail in a  heartbeat.

You need to do a little homework, dude. 

11 likes for this load of dreck? if the Taliban want us all dead, then why aren’t they over here, killing us? Most of them will never even leave the province they were born in.

Texas state of mind, brought on by sunstroke & dehydration but lots of money from oil & illegal aliens, I’ll take a pass.

Wow, Rick Perry had the perfect response.  Put the event in historical context and reminding all of the proper level of reaction to the act. 

No, simply the reaction of someone whose risked their life for their country will always be different than folks like you who watch it on TV.War is hell.  

“You need to re-read Bin Laden’s actual speech.”  Are you kidding?  Nobody in their right mind would believe anything he said.  He knew about the details of the attacks in advance and was instrumental in arranging the financing.  There is documentary proof of this,  He could have stopped the attacks , but for obvious reasons, he chose not to do so.  Why don’t you go on the internet and defend Hitler, Stalin and Saddam Hussein?

If you believe that 1.5 million arabs have been killed in these wars, Mayor Bloomberg would invite you to come to NYC and purchase the Brooklyn Bridge.  If you include all of the Persians killed by Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War from 1980 to 1988. Saddam Hussein killed approxinmately 1.5 million muslims.

I normally mourn the death of any human being, but the deaths Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein cause me no grief or sadness!

If he had the body of Sarah Palin, now that would be very interesting!

Like the inside tip about the WMD written on whitehouse paper?  There is plenty of lying going on, on both sides.  I’ve read the transcript of the actual speech and while it certainly isn’t flattering to the USA, he speaks only of his approval of the attacks. 

 Consider the ongoing search for Bin Laden until last year when Bhutto, in a BBC interview, named the people who might plan to kill her and named the one who had murdered Osama bin laden early during the war as one of them- ? 2002-2003..  That interview was aired only once and then scrubbed out of subsequent airings of the BBC news and hushed over, and the search went on.

Bin Ladin’s beef was the American influence in his country.  The Sunni and Shi’ites, eternal enemies, even banded together with a demand that the Americans leave which was disregarded by the US.

And yes, the results were published in the Lancet journal regarding the death numbers in the middle east as a result of the war.

Yes, Hussein killed many, but our wrong by occupying a foreign country with its subsequent death toll, isn’t a whitewash of our own activities.  Far better to leave them alone and let them kill each other off and mind our own business OR we can carry on with the wars until we bleed ourselves dry into bankruptcy with them.  The arabs are already anticipating this and laughing about it.

I suggest you read about the fall of Rome and how/why it came about.  Rome overstepped itself just as we are doing.

Like the inside tip about the WMD written on whitehouse paper?  There is plenty of lying going on, on both sides.  I’ve read the transcript of the actual speech and while it certainly isn’t flattering to the USA, he speaks only of his approval of the attacks. 

 Consider the ongoing search for Bin Laden until last year when Bhutto, in a BBC interview, named the people who might plan to kill her and named the one who had murdered Osama bin laden early during the war as one of them- ? 2002-2003..  That interview was aired only once and then scrubbed out of subsequent airings of the BBC news and hushed over, and the search went on.

Bin Ladin’s beef was the American influence in his country.  The Sunni and Shi’ites, eternal enemies, even banded together with a demand that the Americans leave which was disregarded by the US.

And yes, the results were published in the Lancet journal regarding the death numbers in the middle east as a result of the war.

Yes, Hussein killed many, but our wrong by occupying a foreign country with its subsequent death toll, isn’t a whitewash of our own activities.  Far better to leave them alone and let them kill each other off and mind our own business OR we can carry on with the wars until we bleed ourselves dry into bankruptcy with them.  The arabs are already anticipating this and laughing about it.

I suggest you read about the fall of Rome and how/why it came about.  Rome overstepped itself just as we are doing.

Like the inside tip about the WMD written on whitehouse paper? There is plenty of lying going on, on both sides. I’ve read the transcript of the actual speech and while it certainly isn’t flattering to the USA, he speaks only of his approval of the attacks.

Consider the ongoing search for Bin Laden until last year when Bhutto, in a BBC interview, named the people who might plan to kill her and named the one who had murdered Osama bin laden early during the war as one of them- ? 2002-2003.. That interview was aired only once and then scrubbed out of subsequent airings of the BBC news and hushed over, and the search went on.

Bin Ladin’s beef was the American influence in his country. The Sunni and Shi’ites, eternal enemies, even banded together with a demand that the Americans leave which was disregarded by the US.

And yes, the results were published in the Lancet journal regarding the death numbers in the middle east as a result of the war.

Yes, Hussein killed many, but our wrong by occupying a foreign country with its subsequent death toll, isn’t a whitewash of our own activities. Far better to leave them alone and let them kill each other off and mind our own business OR we can carry on with the wars until we bleed ourselves dry into bankruptcy with them. The arabs are already anticipating this and laughing about it.

I suggest you read about the fall of Rome and how/why it came about. Rome overstepped itself and its mercenaries turned on it,  just as we are doing.

Yes, I too am glad the two of them are gone but there will be more.  The US has originally backed every despot, including Hussein and Bin Ladin.

what taylor said your not a millitary laphil if u got killed u want some one peeing on u

they cant kill us because they cant reach us they dont have the money or recouces to move their army from a 2 b

i agree but a higher up should have stopped them a sgt or something should have been with them and controlled his troops and marine scout snipers they should have more prestige and honor in their line of work 

tell me these men are terrorist how would u get information from them would u prefer them to tourture them physically instead of mentally would u rather them be shocked drugged beaten to pieces we cant just ask them and they are gonna tell us what their plans are where their leaders are

yeah that gonna be nasty that just gonna make more terrorist do shit

You need to be in a mental institute.  They are human beings.  You, on the other hand, can’t even be called an animal.  Animals have more respect for the dead and living than you do.

there is nothing wrong in what they did, i thought most people believed that once you were dead you left your body and went on to whatever heaven you believed in so all they did was take a piss on some earth that had not broken down fully when do we draw the line wait until one year has passed one hundred or one thousand, all they did was try to break the tension of the life they have been forced to live if they do not break the tension then they will crack up I know this as i was in the army many years ago in Northern Ireland and there are things we did just to break the tension that some people would not like. we did not like people trying to bomb or shoot us but we had to put up with it i would rather some one try to piss on me than put a bomb under me any day, i saw a coment of one soldier who chopped of one terrorists head and returned to his unit with it to prove he had done it and then he gets in trouble as now the terrorist can not go on to his promised land and get his virgins, if i had my way we would behead every terrorist we caught and then let them all know what was waiting for them that there would be no ever after for them maybe then there would be less people attracted to terrorism and we could all live in peace.