GAWD,, here we go again!

Turn loose the Dogs of War… er, Shep LOL

where is that loudmouth that never shuts up? i know, i know…which one? sara palin…what, is she too busy saying that she believes more and more people should get fat and die diabetes and heart failure?
c’mon palin.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
where is that loudmouth that never shuts up? i know, i know…which one? sara palin…what, is she too busy saying that she believes more and more people should get fat and die diabetes and heart failure?
c’mon palin.

ONCE the Tea Party OR Sarah Palin okays it,,
then YES it will pass

Shepard . Stick with the car chases . Complex issues are out of reach for a guy who gets his news and views from Jon Stewart .

Big Eddie said:
Shepard . Stick with the car chases . Complex issues are out of reach for a guy who gets his news and views from Jon Stewart .

HEAR! HEAR!

When will Smith get it that Republicans just don’t care about the American people unless it determines if they get elected or not.

What ?… What the hell does that have to do with anything on this thread ?… How (praytell), did you come up with this nugget of genius ?…

ChiliPeppersFan said:
where is that loudmouth that never shuts up? i know, i know…which one? sara palin…what, is she too busy saying that she believes more and more people should get fat and die diabetes and heart failure?c’mon palin.

The above comment here …

If only those first responders were corporations.
Then Republicans will be bending over backwards to make them happy.

Atticus Draco said:
Big Eddie said:
Shepard . Stick with the car chases . Complex issues are out of reach for a guy who gets his news and views from Jon Stewart .

Atticus Draco said:
HEAR! HEAR!

Shep had a visible rant ,,, talking out his a$$,,
IF you were a congressman debating this sensitive issue,,
would you volunteer to talk to him?!?!?

“PUT SHEP ON HOLD,, TELL HIM I’LL GET WITH HIM NEXT YEAR”
lol

With all of the waste that goes on with the taxpayers money… I see no problem with taking the time to do this right… Everyone agrees it should be done…

sticks said:
With all of the waste that goes on with the taxpayers money… I see no problem with taking the time to do this right… Everyone agrees it should be done…

YES WE DO
And it shouldnt be shoved down our throats and should be debated
which they are doing now btw

what did bush say on 9/11? we will get the terrorists dead or alive and we will never forget…that is, of course, unless you brave americans start to cost us a little too much.

oh, and how about your ‘man of the people’ or ‘the guy who looks out for you’ bill oreilly? where is he?
what kind of conspiracy theory does glen beck have…i know he has that judge napoleon on a lot…does glen also think george bush killed americans and that is why we shouldn’t give the first responders health care?

i think you guys should be asking more of the clowns who speak for your party.

‘
another trigger in order to get this accomplished,,
IF he gets on Papa Bear Bill O’Reilly show ,,
THEN YOU KNOW IT’S GETTIN’ CLOSE TO BEING DONE
F’k SHEP & STEWART!!

here’s what you need,,, Tax Party &/or Palin
BILL O’Reilly

LOL,,, I AINT LYIN’

Atticus Draco said:
IF he gets on Papa Bear Bill O’Reilly show ,,
THEN YOU KNOW IT’S GETTIN’ CLOSE TO BEING DONE

UH-HO!
I just watched the whole hour,, HE DIDNT MAKE ONE MENTION OF IT

ChiliPeppersFan said:
what did bush say on 9/11? we will get the terrorists dead or alive and we will never forget…that is, of course, unless you brave americans start to cost us a little too much. oh, and how about your ‘man of the people’ or ‘the guy who looks out for you’ bill oreilly? where is he?what kind of conspiracy theory does glen beck have…i know he has that judge napoleon on a lot…does glen also think george bush killed americans and that is why we shouldn’t give the first responders health care? i think you guys should be asking more of the clowns who speak for your party.

Another pearl of wisdom… Again, what does any of what you just said have to do with this thread ?…

You poor right-wing schmucks are finally figuring out that all the posturing and posing of Republicans about 9/11 was for nothing but pure partisan political gain. Now that they think opposing Obama will get them further than supporting 9/11 responders, they’re more than willing to throw them under the bus.

Feel stupid yet, suckers?

sticks said:
Another pearl of wisdom… Again, what does any of what you just said have to do with this thread ?…

HA.

Nacho said:
When will Smith get it that Republicans just don’t care about the American people unless it determines if they get elected or not.

At least there aren’t too many Republicans who care more about criminal aliens than the American people. The Democrats care more about criminal aliens as they view them as an addition to their voting bloc.

redleaf said:
If only those first responders were corporations.Then Republicans will be bending over backwards to make them happy.

HEAR, HEAR!

ok, look guys, whenever our party ( Republicans ) screws up, we shouldn’t make excuses for them. If shep rails and calls out all the individual names of R’s who refuse to talk about it, we should take him at his word and ask ourselves “why?”…. I mean seriously, if the issue where reversed and all the names called out democrats would we be making the same excuses? I don’t think so. Pass the bill !!!!

Wasn’t it just 2 days ago we were all on here ranting about ” L.A. Times says Fox is too biased?”. How about the headline, “Shep Smith proves L.A. Times incorrect”?????

pyrope said:
At least there aren’t too many Republicans who care more about criminal aliens than the American people. The Democrats care more about criminal aliens as they view them as an addition to their voting bloc.

If you’re referring to the DREAM act, that’s called problem solving. It’s what we expect from ALL of our representatives of any party and it’s done for the well being of our glorious country, that is their job.

Atticus Draco said:
YES WE DO
And it shouldnt be shoved down our throats and should be debated
which they are doing now btw

Right, It’s not as if it’s been around for months and months, …….oh wait.

Atticus Draco said:
F’k SHEP & STEWART!!

If it wasn’t for Stewart embarrassing the so called news media this wouldn’t be getting the attention it is.

Atticus Draco said:
ONCE the Tea Party OR Sarah Palin okays it,,
then YES it will pass

its the people, not sarah palin or the Tea part

Seems fair and balanced to me..

sticks said:
Another pearl of wisdom… Again, what does any of what you just said have to do with this thread ?…

first of all, your welcome for that pearl of wisdom…secondly what i said is that the republican party abandoned the heroes of 9/11 because it costs too much…”fuck the cost if it’s for our tax cuts, but the heroes of 9/11?
and (c) i was saying that the conservative clowns that pollute the airwaves haven’t been vocal about this.

does that clear it up for ya?

Pokerdude777 said:
Wasn’t it just 2 days ago we were all on here ranting about ” L.A. Times says Fox is too biased?”. How about the headline, “Shep Smith proves L.A. Times incorrect”?????

Instances of being unbiased don’t disprove earlier instances of being biased. What they’d need is to develop a reputation for being unbiased by not doing stuff like what was detailed in those memos, across all news programs, not just one or two. I mean, as far as I recall Smith’s shows have been accurate in their reporting on climate change, that it is real and caused by humans. But if other news programs report like it’s a 50-50 debate with an equal number of experts on both sides, that’s not accurate.

That study found that Fox viewers are significantly more likely to believe that scientists do not agree climate change is occuring. And they’re wrong in believing that. How are they watching a news channel and getting misinformation? Are they getting it from opinion shows? How are opinion shows allowed to invent their own facts and get them wrong?

Nacho said:
If you’re referring to the DREAM act, that’s called problem solving. It’s what we expect from ALL of our representatives of any party and it’s done for the well being of our glorious country, that is their job.

how can you expect republicans to give assistance to heroes like the 9/11 responders and those in the military (who could be called 9/11 responders) especially if these heroes happen to be illegal aliens.

pyrope said:
HA.

since you weren’t paying attention either, see my previous post…and eyes forward in class…i would send you to detention but it seems from your previous posts you are already a foxpac news viewer.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
first of all, your welcome for that pearl of wisdom…secondly what i said is that the republican party abandoned the heroes of 9/11 because it costs too much…”fuck the cost if it’s for our tax cuts, but the heroes of 9/11?and (c) i was saying that the conservative clowns that pollute the airwaves haven’t been vocal about this. does that clear it up for ya?

You said all that ?… First, the republicans never said they aren’t going to pay for it because it costs to much… Seriously, thats a huge stretch… Of course everyone wants the responders to get the healthcare they need, that goes without saying… But whats wrong with looking at the bill ?… The government tends to waste alot of money… Second… I saw what you said… It seemed like a bunch of republican bashing, for the sake of bashing… This thread has nothing to do with tax cuts, or radio, or Bush, or Beck or any of the things you mentioned…

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i was saying that the conservative clowns that pollute the airwaves haven’t been vocal about this.

Take the bias out of it; is ANYBODY in the media besides Shep and Stewart drawing attention to it?

ChiliPeppersFan said:
since you weren’t paying attention either, see my previous post…and eyes forward in class…i would send you to detention but it seems from your previous posts you are already a foxpac news viewer.

You are aware Shep Smith works for Fox right?

CosmosDan said:
If it wasn’t for Stewart embarrassing the so called news media this wouldn’t be getting the attention it is.

Isn’t that the truth!

sticks said:
First, the republicans never said they aren’t going to pay for it because it costs to much

Senator Jon Kyl told Wallace “It’s a lot of money, so my early response is that I am skeptical about that bill.”
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sen-jon-kyl-is-skeptical-of-the-911-first-responders-bill/

sticks said:
But whats wrong with looking at the bill ?

this bill has been kicking around congress since feb. not sure about the senate, but the blame falls solely on the repubs if they don’t have time to read it because of all the damn filibusters.

sticks said:
This thread has nothing to do with tax cuts, or radio, or Bush, or Beck or any of the things you mentioned…

the repubs didn’t care how much tax cuts cost but passed it anyway. bush said we will never forget 9/11, but repubs forgot what the first responders did. and i was hoping i would hear beck, oreilly, or palin speak out for this bill.

Kird said:
You are aware Shep Smith works for Fox right?

i am, and if i could borrow jon stewarts phrase when describing the fairness of bill oreily…both oreilly and shep smith would by the thinnest kids at fat camp.
and everybody else at fox would be unable to get out of the bed fat.

Kird said:
Take the bias out of it; is ANYBODY in the media besides Shep and Stewart drawing attention to it?

actually, yea…keith olberman named all 41 repubs worse person last week as did rachel maddow…check out some real programs sometime other than that black abyss of fox.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
Senator Jon Kyl told Wallace “It’s a lot of money, so my early response is that I am skeptical about that bill.”http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sen-jon-kyl-is-skeptical-of-the-911-first-responders-bill/ this bill has been kicking around congress since feb. not sure about the senate, but the blame falls solely on the repubs if they don’t have time to read it because of all the damn filibusters. the repubs didn’t care how much tax cuts cost but passed it anyway. bush said we will never forget 9/11, but repubs forgot what the first responders did. and i was hoping i would hear beck, oreilly, or palin speak out for this bill.

What do filibusters have to do with this ?… Hows about looking to your own party, Jesus Christ !!!… We are actually in a lame duck session at the moment, they should’nt be voting on anything… They had their chance before the elections and did’nt do chit because they were afraid of losing… Well, they lost !! HELLO !!!… They got the tax bill passed and now it’s time to clear out period… They could’ve passed this bill a long time ago, (they had the numbers, you know) they wanted to do other things instead… So, don’t blame the republicans for your parties ineptness…

ChiliPeppersFan said:
the repubs didn’t care how much tax cuts cost but passed it anyway.

Repubs understand that tax cuts don’t COST anything. You aren’t paying for money you don’t collect. You also can’t spend it, which is the point.

I am glad to see Shep Smith bringing the attention to this subject… THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, shame on all of you who are against this.

The Real Rabid Kook said:
Isn’t that the truth!

What percentage of Americans are watching The Daily Show, Kook?

Pablo said:
Repubs understand that tax cuts don’t COST anything. You aren’t paying for money you don’t collect. You also can’t spend it, which is the point.

It costs money when that money has all ready been spent.

da-wdc said:
What they’d need is to develop a reputation for being unbiased by not doing stuff like what was detailed in those memos, across all news programs, not just one or two.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Sammon’s memos. Per Howie Kurtz: “While news executives routinely offer guidance about proper wording in news stories…”

This is standard practice. That you don’t like the way Fox does it is not surprising. But unless and until we get all these style memos from other news orgs, you can’t compare it.

Would that Wikileaks get busy with Phil Griffin’s emails…

sticks said:
What do filibusters have to do with this ?… Hows about looking to your own party, Jesus Christ !!!… We are actually in a lame duck session at the moment, they should’nt be voting on anything… They had their chance before the elections and did’nt do chit because they were afraid of losing… Well, they lost !! HELLO !!!… They got the tax bill passed and now it’s time to clear out period… They could’ve passed this bill a long time ago, (they had the numbers, you know) they wanted to do other things instead… So, don’t blame the republicans for your parties ineptness…

they were right…fox viewers are uninformed.

Pablo said:
Repubs understand that tax cuts don’t COST anything. You aren’t paying for money you don’t collect. You also can’t spend it, which is the point.

i guess they also don’t understand wars cost money.

Nacho said:
It costs money when that money has all ready been spent.

No, the spending cost the money. The not collecting higher taxes does not cost money. Revenue and spending, two words you should know before opining on economics.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
they were right…fox viewers are uninformed.

Uh huh, sure… When you can’t win… Resort to this… Well, you can say whatever you want… It does’nt change the fact that the democrats have been in charge and basically, filibuster or no filibuster, can and did do what they wanted… I guess they let you down… Thats sad… Better luck next time…

The bill will be passed in the next congress if it doesn’t pass now. It will be fixed if they wait. Shep needs to quit trying to draw attention to himself. The delay is NO BIG DEAL. The lame duck session should have ended two weeks ago.

Pablo said:
No, the spending cost the money. The not collecting higher taxes does not cost money. Revenue and spending, two words you should know before opining on economics.

revenue…unindicted war criminal tax cuts
spending…two expensive f’n wars among many other things

Pablo said:
No, the spending cost the money. The not collecting higher taxes does not cost money. Revenue and spending, two words you should know before opining on economics.

Decreasing revenue when you are in the red does cost money.

I don’t think you really now about economics. I think you just want to stick to a talking point and ignore the bigger picture. Unfortunately, the world doesn’t work that way,

sticks said:
Uh huh, sure… When you can’t win… Resort to this… Well, you can say whatever you want… It does’nt change the fact that the democrats have been in charge and basically, filibuster or no filibuster, can and did do what they wanted… I guess they let you down… Thats sad… Better luck next time…

a filibuster keeps debate open on any legislation.
after that a vote of 60 is required for closure…the repubs used this stall tactic more than any other congress in history.
i’m sure harry reid would love your idea to overcome that.

gordonbloyershow said:
The bill will be passed in the next congress if it doesn’t pass now. It will be fixed if they wait. Shep needs to quit trying to draw attention to himself. The delay is NO BIG DEAL. The lame duck session should have ended two weeks ago.

i’m sure the delay is no big deal for the heroes waiting for health care.

rachel maddow makes a good point… maybe republicans are delaying cuz the responders will just die off and it won’t be so expensive.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
a filibuster keeps debate open on any legislation.after that a vote of 60 is required for closure…the repubs used this stall tactic more than any other congress in history.i’m sure harry reid would love your idea to overcome that.

What is wrong with debate ?… They (the dems) don’t want to debate… They have this “LUKE I AM YOUR FATHER !!… DO AS I SAY, OR THE SKY WILL FALL !!!, mentality…This is about as unproductive a your comments here today… Congress is supposed to debate everything period… And “we the people” have a right to know whats going on… And “we the people”, at least most of us that voted in November… Gave a rousing “DON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU IN THE ASS ON THE WAY OUT” to the democrats… They should leave… The bill can wait a couple more weeks… You and I both know, the responders will get their healthcare… Oh, and just for fun… I don’t give two chits what Harry Reid thinks…

when they voted last week, they need the 60 votes for cloture (don’t know ins and outs of parliamentary procedure)

cloture – The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes.

so 60 votes begins debate but there were only 57 votes. i don’t understand how they can say they want to go about debating when they vote against it.

senate rules give me a headache.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
so 60 votes begins debate but there were only 57 votes. i don’t understand how they can say they want to go about debating when they vote against it.

They’d like to do it next month. They should take a few weeks off and let everyone come back rested and clear headed, ready to get to work.

Pablo said:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Sammon’s memos. Per Howie Kurtz: “While news executives routinely offer guidance about proper wording in news stories…”

LOL, you deliberately left out the end of Kurtz’s sentence: “the semantics in this case were clearly favored by the Republicans. ”

Way to mislead. Do YOU work for Fox?

20 hearings ? Whats the problem ?

Big Eddie said:
Shepard . Stick with the car chases . Complex issues are out of reach for a guy who gets his news and views from Jon Stewart .

Jon Stewart, as much as he loves to deny it, IS the only trusted source of news left in the US. Sadly he’s employed by Comedy Central… not one of the news networks–Edward R. Murrow must be spinning like a top in his grave over the current state of news.

Pablo said:
They’d like to do it next month. They should take a few weeks off and let everyone come back rested and clear headed, ready to get to work.

Let everyone come back rested and clear headed??? Yes, I’m sure the 9/11 first responders would agree 110% with that since you know… they’re all rested and clear headed feeling like a million bucks right??? (In this case 7 billion bucks but you know–that’s a lot of money for the GOP to spend on something not related to the rich.)

Pablo said:
What percentage of Americans are watching The Daily Show, Kook?

Evidently enough for his serious coverage of this issue to speak to someone.

Pablo said:
What percentage of Americans are watching The Daily Show, Kook?

It does about the same as FOX “News”, but your question is puerile. It’s audience is young movers and shakers, so its influence is magnified.

gordonbloyershow said:
The bill will be passed in the next congress if it doesn’t pass now. It will be fixed if they wait. Shep needs to quit trying to draw attention to himself. The delay is NO BIG DEAL. The lame duck session should have ended two weeks ago.

I see you “snuck” onto the boards when no one would grill you about your colossal failure as a prognosticator. And still no word on how you got DADT so very, very, very, very wrong. Now, more prognostication. When you’re wrong on this one, are you going to enter a monastery and take up the Holy Rule of Silence. I have to say Marceaux, I mean Blower, I am very disappointed in you.

sticks said:
What do filibusters have to do with this ?… Hows about looking to your own party, Jesus Christ !!!… We are actually in a lame duck session at the moment, they should’nt be voting on anything… They had their chance before the elections and did’nt do chit because they were afraid of losing… Well, they lost !! HELLO !!!… They got the tax bill passed and now it’s time to clear out period… They could’ve passed this bill a long time ago, (they had the numbers, you know) they wanted to do other things instead… So, don’t blame the republicans for your parties ineptness…

They shouldn’t be votoing on anything? Why not?

I think on this bill both parties share the blame for it taking so long and not being passed months ago. The GOP is not off the hook for their share, The reason they’re getting the attention now is because they seem to be the ones keeping it from passing. The other thing that Jon S mentioned is that the GOP, far more than the Dems , have made a catch phrase out of 9/11 for political ends and yet the the 1st responders are being ignored. As Jon mentioned it’s one more sign of just how disconnected our elected officials have become in DC. Neither party seemed to really prioritize this bill as they should and were willing to let people suffer to continue the political games they play with bills ad deal making. It’s disturbing, but considering the years of war we’ve been in and our own complacency about that , maybe it shouldn’t come as a surprise.

da-wdc said:
LOL, you deliberately left out the end of Kurtz’s sentence: “the semantics in this case were clearly favored by the Republicans. ”

Way to mislead. Do YOU work for Fox?

That wasn’t my point, and that was opinion on Kurtz’s part. The fact that news orgs routinely issue style guidance was my point and Kurtz confirms it. If you were misled, you are an idiot.

The Real Rabid Kook said:
It does about the same as FOX “News”, but your question is puerile. It’s audience is young movers and shakers, so its influence is magnified.

Mover and shakers? Moving the fries after shaking salt on them, Kook? Moving back to the commune after shaking off the cops?

rjakjr said:
Jon Stewart, as much as he loves to deny it, IS the only trusted source of news left in the US.

Yup, there’s your moving, shaking, influential Stewart audience. Genius.

Nacho said:
If you’re referring to the DREAM act, that’s called problem solving. It’s what we expect from ALL of our representatives of any party and it’s done for the well being of our glorious country, that is their job.

No, Corn Chip, The DREAM Act – that’s called capitulation. Sorry to burst your litttle cheese-flavored bubble, conjo…

The Real Royal King said:
It does about the same as FOX “News”, but your question is puerile. It’s audience is young movers and shakers, so its influence is magnified.

“Young movers and shakers…”? Ha! That’s liberal codespeak for “young potheads and wannabe hipsters”.

rjakjr said:
Jon Stewart, as much as he loves to deny it, IS the only trusted source of news left in the US. Sadly he’s employed by Comedy Central… not one of the news networks–Edward R. Murrow must be spinning like a top in his grave over the current state of news.

WTF?! Are you serious? “…The only trusted source of news…”? Really? OK, you DO realize that John Stewart is a COMEDIAN and his is a COMEDY show, which is aired on the COMEDY CENTRAL cable network, right….? The only ones who count his drivel as ‘trusted news’ are idiot liberal lemmings like you and your wannabe hipster ilk. F’king tool.

CosmosDan said:
If it wasn’t for Stewart embarrassing the so called news media this wouldn’t be getting the attention it is.

Oh, yeah, John Stewart, that shining beacon of truth for liberal-progressive socialists everywhere. Ha! He’s a f’king COMEDIAN, you rockbiter! “Yeah, but have you ever watched it…ON WEED?!”

Wapiti00 said:
Oh, yeah, John Stewart, that shining beacon of truth for liberal-progressive socialists everywhere. Ha! He’s a f’king COMEDIAN, you rockbiter! “Yeah, but have you ever watched it…ON WEED?!”

It cracks me up when conservatives use Jon’s being a comedian to try and discredit him or imply that his opinion isn’t worth anything. His opinion and insights about politics and media, delivered through satire, are every bit as relevant as anything Beck, Olberman, Hannity, Odonnell, ORielly and Maddow have to offer because they are only talking heads with opinions for hire. Tell you what, I’ll gladly stop mentioning Stewart and Colbert if conservatives stop bringing up Beck and Hannity as if they’re relevant, and stop linking to blogs and youtube as if they are.

If you’d like your discussions to only contain credible opinions and facts offered by credentialed experts that seems like a great goal. What the hell are you doing here?

Here’s a link to a recent article that seems to spread the blame around.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dems-confident-911-responder-bill/story?id=12444490&tqkw=&tqshow=WN

It contains links to other articles

at last fox news does something good for once,i dont like fox or thier viewers,i think they are all stupid,but shep good job.

You know what else the GOP should be called out for?

Failing to pass a bill that had 112 co-sponsors:
The International Protecting Girls by Preventing Child Marriage Act

Per http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/12/child_marriage_bill_update.html

“…In the hours before the vote, Republicans circulated a memo to pro-life members of Congress alleging that the bill could fund abortions and use child marriage “to overturn pro-life laws.” It also reiterated concerns over the bill’s cost. When it came time for a vote, a number of the bill’s pro-life supporters in both parties abandoned ship. Even co-sponsors of the corresponding House bill (H.R. 2103), like Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio) and Lee Terry (R-Neb.), voted against it.

Time for the facts. First of all, S. 987 is short–the body of the bill is around ten pages long–and does not mention abortion (“family planning” isn’t in there either). A quick read suffices to show that the bill is not dealing with abortion.

Second, as I noted yesterday, it does not appropriate any additional funding. It requires that the President and the State Department make child marriage a core part of American international development strategy. One more time: this means that this bill can’t provide funding for abortion. It’s not a appropriations bill…”

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I am so over this partisanship and not doing good, moral things. The current GOP is currently void of any morality and the Democrats are, and will always be, pansies.

Apparently, they just need a long time to think about things. Like helping 9/11 First Responders.

The Real Royal King said:
Isn’t that the truth!

Absolutely!!!