The media learned after Jon Stewart’s rally that he is irrelevant.

“though without the effort to score cheap political points as was so often the case in the Ground Zero Mosque outraged that was primarily ginned up by Fox News (who has been suspiciously silent on this issue like their cable news peers.)”

Speaking of cheap shots

Skip to 4:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWuoSWdbv_M

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/nyregion/30zadroga.html?_r=1

TangledThorns said:
The media learned after Jon Stewart’s rally that he is irrelevant.

Yeah, Stewart is irrelevant so those first responders can go suck it. Patriotism at its finest.

ProgLib said:
Yeah, Stewart is irrelevant so those first responders can go suck it. Patriotism at its finest.

Ah the responders are just a bunch of socialists who want something for nothing. Fucking welfare queens….

So many middle class Americans are naive to the fact that the Republican Party is not representing their interests. It is interesting that none of the previous posts even attempted to address the fact that
republicans blocked medical aid for 9/11 responders. They are experiencing cognitive dissonance so they go into denial and attack jon Stewart for telling the truth. Willful ignorance is a sad thing. It is all to prevalent on this site.

Jackie_Treehorn said:
Ah the responders are just a bunch of socialists who want something for nothing. Fucking welfare queens….

Why can’t they just get off their asses and become self-sufficient like Republicans? Stop looking for handouts! They made that choice and now they have to live with it.

armwood said:
So many middle class Americans are naive to the fact that the Republican Party is not representing their interests. It is interesting that none of the previous posts even attempted to address the fact that
republicans blocked medical aid for 9/11 responders. They are experiencing cognitive dissonance so they go into denial and attack jon Stewart for telling the truth. Willful ignorance is a sad thing. It is all to prevalent on this site.

Indeed.

Republicans have shown such a willingness to shortchange the victims of the W Depression, which isn’t a surprise to anyone, but their willingness, indeed their desire to stab in the back the entire Middle Class, our troops and our veterans and these First Responders is bewildering even to the most cynical of us. As a class, Republicans have real anger and power issues.

“Government spending in recent months has only fueled their anger. Many are upset that so many dollars are being spent on failed banks and automakers while sick workers who responded to America’s worst attack in history are still fighting for medical care.

Two funds established in the wake of 9/11 have come to epitomize the responders’ frustration. Sick workers say the Victim’s Compensation Fund failed to adequately cover them and the initial deadline to enroll expired in 2003 – well before some of the most serious diseases began to manifest themselves. Meanwhile the Captive Insurance Fund, set up to reimburse injured World Trade center workers, has consistently fought claims by ill first responders.”

the Govt. has done a bang up job handling their two programs they have already set up/funded…..
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/10/national/main5300512.shtml

Currently, 9/11 responders receive free health care, but funding is discretionary from year to year. Under the proposed bill funding would be permanent and responders would receive health care for life.

The Obama administration has not supported the bill thus far, proposing instead that the funding be year to year. But Feal is now optimistic that the bill will eventually make it to the president’s desk, possibly even by Sept. 11, the ninth anniversary of the attacks.

http://independent.gmnews.com/news/2010-03-25/Front_Page/Health_care_bill_for_911_responders_advances.html

9/11 Responders Slam Obama On Health Bill Silence
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/08/18/first-responders-criticize-president-on-health-bill-silence/

We are asking that all Americans please take a moment out of their day to please call Kathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Health and Human Services . She has stated that she has not read HR 847 and will not support it.
…
The abrupt revelation came after the Daily News reported New York lawmakers were shocked Wednesday when Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said the administration does not support mandatory funding for the $11 billion permanent treatment plan.

http://visibility911.com/ford/?p=848

Robert Grossman’s father, Stephen, drew a parallel with the $3bn the federal government spent this year on buying up old cars under the “cash-for-clunkers” scheme. “They spent that, but they don’t have a dime for people who volunteered after 9/11 and ended up giving their lives for their country.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/11/cancer-new-york-rescuers

The Dems set this up to fail when they required a 2/3 vote. They claimed it was because of Republican add ons, like banning illegals from participating, and banning federally funded abortions. The media isn’t covering it because it was the Dems who screwed King on this, and it is not supported by Obama or Sebelius.

sarainitaly said:
sarainitaly says:

GOOD JOB!

Whats Mr.God fearing Beckerhead doing to help our brave Americans who responded first?How about the whinner from Wasila?Come on God fearing ” walk in the light” flag and country wavers tell us how patriotic it is to NOT help fellow Americans who helped us first.

50 Examples of Government Waste

3. Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.
4. Government auditors spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them–costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually–fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve.
7. Washington will spend $2.6 million training Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly on the job.
9. Federal agencies are delinquent on nearly 20 percent of employee travel charge cards, costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars annually.
10. The Securities and Exchange Commission spent $3.9 million rearranging desks and offices at its Washington, D.C., headquarters.
11. The Pentagon recently spent $998,798 shipping two 19-cent washers from South Carolina to Texas and $293,451 sending an 89-cent washer from South Carolina to Florida.
15. The refusal of many federal employees to fly coach costs taxpayers $146 million annually in flight upgrades.
16. Washington will spend $126 million in 2009 to enhance the Kennedy family legacy in Massachusetts. Additionally, Senator John Kerry (D-MA) diverted $20 million from the 2010 defense budget to subsidize a new Edward M. Kennedy Institute.

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/08/50-examples-of-government-waste/

6,600 earmarks worth $8.3 billion
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/133683-senate-funding-vote-to-test-obamas-earmark-resolve

Sen. John McCain lambasted senators for the pork-ridden bill and read aloud a few of the earmarks contained within it:
A few samples of what is in the bill that Sen. McCain read aloud:
$277,000 for potato pest management in Wisconsin.
$246,000 for bovine tuberculosis in Michigan and Minnesota.
$522,000 for cranberry and blueberry disease and breeding in New Jersey.
$500,000 for oyster safety in Florida.
$349,000 for swine waste management in North Carolina.
413,000 for peanut research in Alabama.
$247,000 for virus-free wine grapes in Washington.
$208,000 for beaver management in North Carolina.
$94,000 for blackbird management in Louisiana.
$165,000 for maple syrup research in Vermont.
$100,000 for the Edgar Allen Poe Visitors Center in New York.
$300,000 for the Polynesian Voyaging Society in Hawaii.

Yeah those socialist guys, sitting with Jon, dying. They deserve your scorn!!! DId you even watch the clip?

TangledThorns said:
The media learned after Jon Stewart’s rally that he is irrelevant.

Atticus Draco said:
“though without the effort to score cheap political points as was so often the case in the Ground Zero Mosque outraged that was primarily ginned up by Fox News (who has been suspiciously silent on this issue like their cable news peers.)”

Speaking of cheap shots

Yeah those socialist guys, sitting with Jon, dying. They deserve your scorn!!! DId you even watch the clip? What is the matter with you people? Are you so brainwashed by the right wing talking heads that you can’t feel any compassion on your own? Oh it is a ponderous chain…..keep toiling away.

ooops bad C&P job sorry. But perhaps it needed saying twice to these blinded by the right people.

nighean donn said:
Yeah those socialist guys, sitting with Jon, dying. They deserve your scorn!!! DId you even watch the clip?

TangledThorns said:
The media learned after Jon Stewart’s rally that he is irrelevant.

Atticus Draco said:
“though without the effort to score cheap political points as was so often the case in the Ground Zero Mosque outraged that was primarily ginned up by Fox News (who has been suspiciously silent on this issue like their cable news peers.)”

Speaking of cheap shots

Yeah those socialist guys, sitting with Jon, dying. They deserve your scorn!!! DId you even watch the clip? What is the matter with you people? Are you so brainwashed by the right wing talking heads that you can’t feel any compassion on your own? Oh it is a ponderous chain…..keep toiling away.

NO I DID NOT WATCH THE CLIP
I DO NOT WATCH JON STEWART
AND I ADVISE YOU NOT TO WATCH HIM EITHER

YOU KNOW,,, THIS IS NOT HOW YOU GET BILLS PASSED!!!
YOU WANNA DEMAGOGUE,, GO AHEAD,, THAT’S NOT GONNA GET IT DONE

links and posts were provided here that better explains the REAL situation than JON STEWART will ever do!!!
QUIT RELYING ON COMEDY SHOWS FOR YOUR INFORMATION!!

sarainitaly said:
50 Examples of Government Waste

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/08/50-examples-of-government-waste/

6,600 earmarks worth $8.3 billion
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/133683-senate-funding-vote-to-test-obamas-earmark-resolve

I rather resent an Italian telling Americans of their national shortcomings, and I do wish you would stop. You should have plenty to do cleaning up Italy.

oh look, RRkook POUNCES again, off topic and irrelevant as usual.

Ah, I get it. What you are saying is that giving the first responders world class health care is another example of government waste and abuse.

Happy Christmas.

sarainitaly said:
50 Examples of Government Waste

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/08/50-examples-of-government-waste/

6,600 earmarks worth $8.3 billion
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/133683-senate-funding-vote-to-test-obamas-earmark-resolve

marcus.lewis said:
Ah, I get it. What you are saying is that giving the first responders world class health care is another example of government waste and abuse.

are you really that stunted, mentally?

no, i’m saying that we should all be outraged at the gross amount of govt. waste, and ridiculous earmarks, and that thte Govt. then has the nerve to complain about essential programs NOT getting the funding needed.

sarainitaly said:
oh look, RRkook POUNCES again, off topic and irrelevant as usual.

Fending off criticisms of America by foreigners is always releveant, Tumbleweed, and I shall continue in this quest with vigour and without pause.

Atticus Draco said:
NO I DID NOT WATCH THE CLIP
I DO NOT WATCH JON STEWART
AND I ADVISE YOU NOT TO WATCH HIM EITHER

YOU KNOW,,, THIS IS NOT HOW YOU GET BILLS PASSED!!!
YOU WANNA DEMAGOGUE,, GO AHEAD,, THAT’S NOT GONNA GET IT DONE

links and posts were provided here that better explains the REAL situation than JON STEWART will ever do!!!
QUIT RELYING ON COMEDY SHOWS FOR YOUR INFORMATION!!

Watch the clip of the 911 first responders responding to what the Republicans said. And then you tell me why a comedy show would have to be the one to put together such an important show. Listen to these responders, and tell me they don’t deserve answers to why this is going on. It’s a moving piece and only a comedy show could deliver it. Why? Don’t watch the clip above, watch the clip of the responders. And if you have the same feelings, then, you, sir, are one of the most heartless human beings on this site. And you don’t deserve any love or good tidings this Christmas season. I hope someone out there is willing to pray for you.

The Real Royal King said:
Fending off criticisms of America by foreigners is always releveant, Tumbleweed, and I shall continue in this quest with vigour and without pause.

yes, I know, because you are sad, pathetic and have no life. hurry up and log out and back in as one of your aliases!

keep ignoring the topic and just make idiotic comments about how because I live in Italy, I am no longer American! It is so relevant and makes so much sense!! it is so fun to watch you repeatedly make an even bigger ass of of yourself…if at all possible.

And gotta love that you as usual, derail the thread….

why mediaite doesn’t ban you for your abusive behavior, irrelevant posting, and trolling, I’ll never know.

The Real Royal King said:
Fending off criticisms of America by foreigners is always releveant, Tumbleweed, and I shall continue in this quest with vigour and without pause.

Exactly how does her currently living in Italy make her less of an American citizen? My sister & her family live in Germany, are they not Americans anymore? Using your ridiculous logic, our diplomats stationed around the world have no valid status either then right?

sarainitaly said:
are you really that stunted, mentally?

no, i’m saying that we should all be outraged at the gross amount of govt. waste, and ridiculous earmarks, and that thte Govt. then has the nerve to complain about essential programs NOT getting the funding needed.

Well, it seemed like you were criticizing RRK for posting off-topic (and he was), so when you post something that was titled, 50 Examples of Government Waste I assumed you were posting on topic. Instead you are trolling and posting about off-topic issues (that are really outdated as well). Thanks that clarifies it.

So getting back on topic, you are for or against the permanent fund for 9/11 first responders health care?

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
Atticus Draco said:
NO I DID NOT WATCH THE CLIP
I DO NOT WATCH JON STEWART
AND I ADVISE YOU NOT TO WATCH HIM EITHER

YOU KNOW,,, THIS IS NOT HOW YOU GET BILLS PASSED!!!
YOU WANNA DEMAGOGUE,, GO AHEAD,, THAT’S NOT GONNA GET IT DONE

links and posts were provided here that better explains the REAL situation than JON STEWART will ever do!!!
QUIT RELYING ON COMEDY SHOWS FOR YOUR INFORMATION!!

Watch the clip of the 911 first responders responding to what the Republicans said. And then you tell me why a comedy show would have to be the one to put together such an important show. Listen to these responders, and tell me they don’t deserve answers to why this is going on. It’s a moving piece and only a comedy show could deliver it. Why? Don’t watch the clip above, watch the clip of the responders. And if you have the same feelings, then, you, sir, are one of the most heartless human beings on this site. And you don’t deserve any love or good tidings this Christmas season. I hope someone out there is willing to pray for you.

i dont base my financial or political decisions on FEELINGS!!
I TELL YOU AGAIN,,
You wanna rely on Jon Stewart to deliver the message,, FINE,,
i’m tellin’ you that’s NOT HOW YOU GONNA GET IT DONE!

YOU WANNA MAKE FUN OF FOX,, GO AHEAD
BUT I’LL TELL YOU
YOU WANNA BILL PASSED,, YOU GET OT ON FOX
PERIOD!!!

NOT ON SOME GDAMN COMEDY SHOW OR NETWORK!!!!

sarainitaly said:
yes, I know, because you are sad, pathetic and have no life. hurry up and log out and back in as one of your aliases!

keep ignoring the topic and just make idiotic comments about how because I live in Italy, I am no longer American! It is so relevant and makes so much sense!! it is so fun to watch you repeatedly make an even bigger ass of of yourself…if at all possible.

And gotta love that you as usual, derail the thread….

why mediaite doesn’t ban you for your abusive behavior, irrelevant posting, and trolling, I’ll never know.

Your shrillness merely underscores your motivation. You find so many ways to state that America is a bad place, in ruins. Perhaps, some of my fellow posters don’t object to your constant America bashing. Yet, earlier in the week, we irrefutably demonstrated that you no longer have any sense of the mood, the zeitgeist in and of America. That makes your America bashing even worse. It makes it uninformed America bashing. Well, I’ll have no part of it.

Atticus Draco said:
i dont base my financial or political decisions on FEELINGS!!

Uh yeah…ya do. Everybody does. It’s impossible to eliminate that.

Atticus Draco said:
i dont base my financial or political decisions on FEELINGS!!
I TELL YOU AGAIN,,
You wanna rely on Jon Stewart to deliver the message,, FINE,,
i’m tellin’ you that’s NOT HOW YOU GONNA GET IT DONE!

YOU WANNA MAKE FUN OF FOX,, GO AHEAD
BUT I’LL TELL YOU
YOU WANNA BILL PASSED,, YOU GET OT ON FOX
PERIOD!!!

NOT ON SOME GDAMN COMEDY SHOW OR NETWORK!!!!

This isn’t about FEELINGS!! Though with language like SOME GDAMN COMEDY SHOW or all the !!, it seems that this is actually 100% about feelings for you. But anyway, can you tell us why the first responders don’t deserve the money or the help or even the compassion? I assume you don’t live in NY or weren’t there on that day, because I do live here, and I know about the problems, and I know about the toll that those attacks took on the city, as well as the country, and what was done to save people. People who risked their own lives to save American (and non-American) citizens. I want to know if you can look a first responder in the eye and say the exact same thing you just said to me. Obviously, yelling it since you put it in all caps. (Though, not about FEELINGS!! again). Is that what’s in your heart? Because if it is, then these people who want to say no, (be they DEM or REP) who are unable to actually look these folks in the eye and say, “Hey, we don’t have the money,” or “Hey, we don’t trust the unions,” or “Hey, you are not important in our political landscape.” Something. Instead of saying Dem or Rep are stopping this. Or FOX News is the only one that can get this bill passed. Tell them why. They at least deserve that much. A lot more lives would’ve been lost if not for them.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Uh yeah…ya do. Everybody does. It’s impossible to eliminate that.

in your world,, i suppose it is
GOOD LUCK with that

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
This isn’t about FEELINGS!! Though with language like SOME GDAMN COMEDY SHOW or all the !!, it seems that this is actually 100% about feelings for you.

i’m passionate in telliin’ ya and your ilk ,in how to get this done
so far,, lol,,, YOUR WAY AINT GITTIN’ IT DONE!!!

Proceed onward
GOOD LUCK

TangledThorns said:
The media learned after Jon Stewart’s rally that he is irrelevant.

And clearly, some scumbags find the brave men in this clip (and their “brothers and sisters”) irrelevant, as well.

The Real Royal King said:
Your shrillness merely underscores your motivation. You find so many ways to state that America is a bad place, in ruins. Perhaps, some of my fellow posters don’t object to your constant America bashing. Yet, earlier in the week, we irrefutably demonstrated that you no longer have any sense of the mood, the zeitgeist in and of America. That makes your America bashing even worse. It makes it uninformed America bashing. Well, I’ll have no part of it.

KING here . I never bash AMERIKA . I do hate it , of course , as I despise women and children and Republicans . I keep my fingernails on the fashion sense here and I will claw anyone who disputes that . That is my appelant a’ la vie . You want no part of a catfight with me , people .

Atticus Draco said:
Atticus Draco says:
December 17, 2010 at 9:58 am Atticus Draco(Quote)
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Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
This isn’t about FEELINGS!! Though with language like SOME GDAMN COMEDY SHOW or all the !!, it seems that this is actually 100% about feelings for you.

i’m passionate in telliin’ ya and your ilk ,in how to get this done
so far,, lol,,, YOUR WAY AINT GITTIN’ IT DONE!!!

Proceed onward
GOOD LUCK

DAMNIT,, I HATE IT WHEN I MISS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY

Instead of “Proceed onward”,,
LEAN FORWARD
Good luck with that!

Since 2002, Congress has given the health clinics $475 million, including a $70 million appropriation for this fiscal year for aid to the first responders. A large chunk of the money remains unspent, meaning the centers could keep operating for some time even if appropriations were completely cut off.

Now In addition to the health care money, the legislation would set aide $4.2 billion to compensate people who lost their jobs or suffered other economic problems because of illnesses caused by the terror attacks.

That portion of the bill would be similar in many respects to a legal settlement, also partly funded by American taxpayers, that could provide more than $800 million for people who have illnesses that might be linked to the attacks.

Nearly 10,000 people have joined the settlement so far.

Doctors still don’t know, however, whether there is any connection between the dust and potentially fatal illnesses like cancer.

Cancer is killing a growing number of people who were involved in the 9/11 cleanup, but researchers say the death rate so far has been similar to that of the general public.

That lack of a solid link has given some critics of the federal bill pause at allocating so many billions of dollars for treatment.

I’m all for helping the fire fighters but this bill goes much further then that. We are talking appropriating up to $3.2 billion for medical programs caring for people who fell ill after breathing in ash and pulverized building materials at ground zero.

The act would have guaranteed at least eight years of strong, even lavish, funding for existing health programs for 9/11 responders and other New York City residents exposed to the dust.

Thats a lot of money from the tax payers in this Nation with over %10 percent unemployment, more then that in under employment. Plus the fact. we are still in a recession if not a full depression.

I say give the first responders their due, but within reason….

Atticus Draco said:
in your world,, i suppose it is
GOOD LUCK with that

Not my world, it’s OUR world. That’s a fact. You can’t eliminate bias from the political process, we vote with our emotions, period.

marcus.lewis said:
Well, it seemed like you were criticizing RRK for posting off-topic (and he was), so when you post something that was titled, 50 Examples of Government Waste I assumed you were posting on topic. Instead you are trolling and posting about off-topic issues (that are really outdated as well). Thanks that clarifies it.

So getting back on topic, you are for or against the permanent fund for 9/11 first responders health care?

i find it very relevant when we have first responders discussing lack of funding for things like their healthcare, and the poor job the government has already done with the earlier funds, and Democrats blaming Republicans for the lack of funding – all the while, the bill is not supported by Obama or Sebelius. And the Dems, once King scraped up 255 votes, changed it to a 2/3 vote, requiring ~290, ensuring it didn’t pass. And we then see the horrific government waste, and ridiculous earmarks that Congress is requesting, all the while they’re complaining about lack of funds to cover the 9/11 responders….

The earmarks are from this week, and the waste is from last year. I hardly consider those outdated numbers.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Not my world, it’s OUR world. That’s a fact. You can’t eliminate bias from the political process, we vote with our emotions, period.

at times we do,, unfortunately,,
i dont,, but,, as a “we”,, we at times do
I’M NOT ADVOCATING DOING THAT,, THAT’S WHERE “WE” START F’n UP AS A NATION WHEN WE DO DO THAT,, LOL

Thank you for actually making an argument. It’s much better to hear a well spoken individual whom I disagree with than the petty nonsense that is displayed in the comments above.

Just digging a little deeper, I believe part of the problem is that there were dates that these individuals had to claim benefits by and that was well before it was known that many of the first responders were having rare cancers years later.

As for the cancer affecting the first responders at the same rate of the general population, I think that is a biased comparison. Remember, these people aren’t the general population and in general are in much healthier physical conditions. If we want to dismiss the cancer as caused by 9/11 and the conditions of ground zero, then it would be fair to compare the rate of cancer of 9/11 first responders with the rate of non 9/11 first responders. It wouldn’t be to difficult to do, I am just unsure if the data is already out there or not.

Cheers!

Jack Burns said:
Since 2002, Congress has given the health clinics $475 million, including a $70 million appropriation for this fiscal year for aid to the first responders. A large chunk of the money remains unspent, meaning the centers could keep operating for some time even if appropriations were completely cut off.

Now In addition to the health care money, the legislation would set aide $4.2 billion to compensate people who lost their jobs or suffered other economic problems because of illnesses caused by the terror attacks.

That portion of the bill would be similar in many respects to a legal settlement, also partly funded by American taxpayers, that could provide more than $800 million for people who have illnesses that might be linked to the attacks.

Nearly 10,000 people have joined the settlement so far.

Doctors still don’t know, however, whether there is any connection between the dust and potentially fatal illnesses like cancer.

Cancer is killing a growing number of people who were involved in the 9/11 cleanup, but researchers say the death rate so far has been similar to that of the general public.

That lack of a solid link has given some critics of the federal bill pause at allocating so many billions of dollars for treatment.

I’m all for helping the fire fighters but this bill goes much further then that. We are talking appropriating up to $3.2 billion for medical programs caring for people who fell ill after breathing in ash and pulverized building materials at ground zero.

The act would have guaranteed at least eight years of strong, even lavish, funding for existing health programs for 9/11 responders and other New York City residents exposed to the dust.

Thats a lot of money from the tax payers in this Nation with over %10 percent unemployment, more then that in under employment. Plus the fact. we are still in a recession if not a full depression.

I say give the first responders their due, but within reason….

i love the point jon stewart makes in that there are two things that are certain…death and taxes.
that hypocritical pos john thune and the rest of you conservative a-holes only care about taxes.
you patriotic frauds say you will never forger 9/11…bs. and one of your lame excuses is that doctors don’t know if there is a connection with breathing in the dust and a fatal illness?
we all see where your loyalties lie and it’s not with the patriotics hereos who risked their lives that day.

Every time this story pops up I wonder why nobody is lambasting New York City for short changing these folks. If anyone actually watched last night’s show, all 4 of them told the same story – NYPD and NYFD have cut off their care to a large extent. New York has to take care of their own first. And they are not.

That is the story and that is the real shame here. New York City is discarding these heroes as too expensive.

sarainitaly said:
i find it very relevant when we have first responders discussing lack of funding for things like their healthcare, and the poor job the government has already done with the earlier funds, and Democrats blaming Republicans for the lack of funding – all the while, the bill is not supported by Obama or Sebelius. And the Dems, once King scraped up 255 votes, changed it to a 2/3 vote, requiring ~290, ensuring it didn’t pass. And we then see the horrific government waste, and ridiculous earmarks that Congress is requesting, all the while they’re complaining about lack of funds to cover the 9/11 responders….

The earmarks are from this week, and the waste is from last year. I hardly consider those outdated numbers.

I’m sorry but that 50 government waste link, it provides way outdated information. For example, the first one I looked up was the shipping for a washer—that occurred in 2007. The bill going through congress is supported by Obama, and he said he looks forward to signing it.

Also, I don’t think its fair to say to our men and women who serve their communities that they can’t get the help they need and earned because sometimes government screws up. That’s not excusable.

Keeva said:
Every time this story pops up I wonder why nobody is lambasting New York City for short changing these folks. If anyone actually watched last night’s show, all 4 of them told the same story – NYPD and NYFD have cut off their care to a large extent. New York has to take care of their own first. And they are not.

That is the story and that is the real shame here. New York City is discarding these heroes as too expensive.

But mind you, this was a Federal disaster zone. The federal government is responsible for coordination of first responders; thus the burden of care for the 9/11 responders should go on the federal government.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i love the point jon stewart makes in that there are two things that are certain…death and taxes.
that hypocritical pos john thune and the rest of you conservative a-holes only care about taxes.
you patriotic frauds say you will never forger 9/11…bs. and one of your lame excuses is that doctors don’t know if there is a connection with breathing in the dust and a fatal illness?
we all see where your loyalties lie and it’s not with the patriotics hereos who risked their lives that day.

SEE!
LOOK AT THIS!
This aint gonna get us anywhere

Hey Chili,, you failed to include the obligatory chide at FOX,,
and for good measure ,, maybe a derogatory remark about Sarah

LEAN FORWARD CHILI,, LEAN FORWARD!!!

I’m team-sarainitaly!
Start a blog…..I’ll be a regular.

maybe fox will make a bigger deal out of this bill if we tell them that if the bill is not passed, it will allow a mosque being built on this site by the new black panthers.
sure, fox doesn’t care about 9/11 heroes but give them a good mosque story with scary black people…merry christmas.

Atticus Draco said:
SEE!
LOOK AT THIS!
This aint gonna get us anywhere

Hey Chili,, you failed to include the obligatory chide at FOX,,
and for good measure ,, maybe a derogatory remark about Sarah

LEAN FORWARD CHILI,, LEAN FORWARD!!!

yeah atticus, i realized the fox omittance after i posted.

Jackie_Treehorn said:
Ah the responders are just a bunch of socialists who want something for nothing. Fucking welfare queens….

Enjoy burning in hell when you die, scum.

marcus.lewis said:Also, I don’t think its fair to say to our men and women who serve their communities that they can’t get the help they need and earned because sometimes government screws up. That’s not excusable.

This is not a mistake by New York. It is with intent and by design.

As far as the partisan hackery on this issue, well, that is pathetic.

Atticus Draco said:
“though without the effort to score cheap political points as was so often the case in the Ground Zero Mosque outraged that was primarily ginned up by Fox News (who has been suspiciously silent on this issue like their cable news peers.)” Speaking of cheap shots

Feeling uncomfortable, creep?

It takes a special kind of person to put their own life in danger to run into burning building to save others lives, the fact these people are being ignored, mainly over political bullshit is both sad and angering. When the trucks pulled up these people didnt as who was a dem or rep or socialist or corporationist, the ran in those damn building and saved American’s, and its time for American’s to help them, out

Atticus Draco said:
at times we do,, unfortunately,,
i dont,, but,, as a “we”,, we at times do
I’M NOT ADVOCATING DOING THAT,, THAT’S WHERE “WE” START F’n UP AS A NATION WHEN WE DO DO THAT,, LOL

And I’M telling YOU that it is impossible for YOU to eliminate emotions from the process. Unless you’re some freak of nature that lacks a basal ganglia and Anterior Cingulate Gyrus but some how has an overactive prefrontal cortex it is impossible to eliminate emotions from ANYTHING YOU DO.

victor the crab said:
Enjoy burning in hell when you die, scum.

How Christian of you, notsosmart.

marcus.lewis said:
But mind you, this was a Federal disaster zone. The federal government is responsible for coordination of first responders; thus the burden of care for the 9/11 responders should go on the federal government.

Actually not correct. When the feds declare a disaster zone, they do not assume the responsibility for the police and fire fighters in the area. They coordinate, but they do not pay them or provide their benefits. Based on your logic, every South Florida responder is now the responsibility of the feds after every hurricane and it does not work like that. Once the disaster zone is relieved, the responders are still city employees. They worked for NYPD and NYFD, not the feds. This does make a difference, even though it is easier and more fun to blame Washington.

My point is that New York City is responsible for these people. If federal aid is needed, then New York should be asking. But the untold and lost in the pathetic partisan crapfest story here is that NYC tossed these guys out the second they became too expensive to care for. Where is that story? Where is the story of the poor treatment of these heroes by the very people they served?

Blame the Dems, blame the Repubs if it makes everyone happy, but this is the fault of New York City, which is supposed to be obligated to their care and abdicated that responsibility. This one belongs to Giuliani and Bloomberg. They let these guys down and tossed them aside. There was a lot of money provided to NYC for just this use. Where is it? There’s the real scandal and the real outrage.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
And I’M telling YOU that it is impossible for YOU to eliminate emotions from the process. Unless you’re some freak of nature that lacks a basal ganglia and Anterior Cingulate Gyrus but some how has an overactive prefrontal cortex it is impossible to eliminate emotions from ANYTHING YOU DO.

Speaking of emotional,lol
DUDE,, i just agreed with ya,,
YA,, SOMETIMES AS A NATION WE F’ UP AND RELY TOO HEAVILY ON OUR EMOTIONS TO FORCE OUR DECISIONS
And when we do that it generally ends in FAIL

in my life,, i deliberately manage my situations so i dont hafta rely on ‘emotions” to make my decisions,,
IF YOU DO,, FINE,, go with it!
FREE ADVICE THO,,, DONT DO THAT!!!
Yeah,,, come up with a NEW strategy

LEAN FORWARD
GOOD LUCK

victor the crab said:
Feeling uncomfortable, creep?

No,, i FEEL just fine,, why do you ask?
lol
Are you concerned about my welfare?

dummy123 said:
I’m team-sarainitaly!
Start a blog…..I’ll be a regular.

YEAH,, she did good this morning!

marcus.lewis said:
I’m sorry but that 50 government waste link, it provides way outdated information. For example, the first one I looked up was the shipping for a washer—that occurred in 2007. The bill going through congress is supported by Obama, and he said he looks forward to signing it.

I have no doubt that the government waste continues, and regardless of one link being from 2007, it is still outrageous. All these earmarks and funding of pet projects, like $200M for Murtha’s airport, the expensive booze and meals on private flights, etc. It is tax payer money that these losers are using to live high on the hog, and funds they are avoiding paying taxes on, buying multiple homes, and breaking 11 ethics violations, etc.

Do you have any links that Obama supports this bill? I know he said he would sign it, if it passes, but of course he would say that…. I can’t find anything that says he supports it, and wants it. Last I read he prefers year over year, and promised $150M in 2011.

I agree with Keeva above about this being a NY issue, that they cut funding/dumped these guys. Keeva makes some great points. NY should be asking for the funds to cover these guys, and they should do it.

However, do I support this bill? mmm….Not really. Not that I don’t want them cared for, but the bill appears to be more about setting up yet ANOTHER government program, and the half of the money is for lost wages, and has something to do with the lawsuits (about them not being able to collect in the lawsuit for pain and suffering or something… I forget exactly) and not healthcare. I would prefer that they submit their doctors bills and get them paid for directly – not lose money in some government boondoggle, since they’ve already mucked up the other two programs.

Atticus Draco said:
dummy123 said:
I’m team-sarainitaly!
Start a blog…..I’ll be a regular.
YEAH,, she did good this morning!

hehe thanks guys! ;O)
I do have a blog, dummy123.

sarainitaly said:
However, do I support this bill? mmm….Not really. Not that I don’t want them cared for, but the bill appears to be more about setting up yet ANOTHER government program, and the half of the money is for lost wages, and has something to do with the lawsuits (about them not being able to collect in the lawsuit for pain and suffering or something… I forget exactly) and not healthcare. I would prefer that they submit their doctors bills and get them paid for directly – not lose money in some government boondoggle, since they’ve already mucked up the other two programs.

INDEED!!!
HEAR! HEAR!

ODD,, i bet she didnt get that stance from a comedy show,, or comedian,,
JUST SAYIN’

sarainitaly said:
The Dems set this up to fail when they required a 2/3 vote. They claimed it was because of Republican add ons, like banning illegals from participating, and banning federally funded abortions. The media isn’t covering it because it was the Dems who screwed King on this, and it is not supported by Obama or Sebelius.

Sara there’s no doubt in my mind that the Dems , deserve a lot of blame for this not passing but that doesn’t let the GOP, especially the ones actually filibustering against letting the bill come to a vote RIGHT NOW, off the hook does it? It doesn’t make Jon’s point moot that major networks have done little to advance the story and put it in the public eye , or that Fox , who worked so long and hard on the bullshit of the GZ mosque, has left this one pretty much alone although they are obviously aware of it.

I think the point one of the 1st responders made is very relevant. There is a real disconnect between those assholes in DC {both parties} and the lives of real people. They try to make excuses and gloss it over but that’s not because they are deeply concerned about people, but because they are deeply concerned about covering their ass. I think Jon also makes the point that the media has a screwed up sense of priorities.
Thanks for the links and I’ll try to get through them. If your point is Dems deserve the blame as well I agree but please acknowledge that the GOP does as well.

Keeva said:
Every time this story pops up I wonder why nobody is lambasting New York City for short changing these folks. If anyone actually watched last night’s show, all 4 of them told the same story – NYPD and NYFD have cut off their care to a large extent. New York has to take care of their own first. And they are not.

That is the story and that is the real shame here. New York City is discarding these heroes as too expensive.

That;s a good point. In one of Sara’s links it mentioned that NYC balked at a bill that had them paying a portion.

Jon S, is much more a big picture guy than a details guy, and I think the point of this story is about our screwed up sense of outrage and priorities which I agree with. I think it’s speaks well of a comic on his comedy show to bring on 1st responders and give them a chance to speak. Why hasn’t other major networks done exactly that until the jerks in DC and NYC are too embarrassed to not pass it.

I am usually in agreement with Republicans 95% of the time, but I side with the first responders on this issue. They as INDIVIDUALS deserve everything they ask for and more and I am down with that as long as the nasty union bosses do not get their cut of it.

sarainitaly said:
However, do I support this bill? mmm….Not really. Not that I don’t want them cared for, but the bill appears to be more about setting up yet ANOTHER government program, and the half of the money is for lost wages, and has something to do with the lawsuits (about them not being able to collect in the lawsuit for pain and suffering or something… I forget exactly) and not healthcare. I would prefer that they submit their doctors bills and get them paid for directly – not lose money in some government boondoggle, since they’ve already mucked up the other two programs.

Good point. Although, I think if they can no longer work due to their efforts at 9/11 that needs to be addressed as well.
It occurred to me to ask why this bill or this issue wasn’t addressed by the previous administration. I need to do some research about the history of it all. Any suggested reading for that?

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
Watch the clip of the 911 first responders responding to what the Republicans

Fact: Please Show links to actual republicans making remarks!

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
“Hey, we don’t trust the unions,”

Fact: Now you’re starting to get close to who was in charge of the cleanup crews and who was paid to cover their expenses and to make sure they were safe! Union’s had the funds for PPE but didn’t hand out the equipment unless the worker asked for it so you have to ask yourself how many times should you pay for people that work in a dangerous environments and not as if it was so acting as if they were not in one! Go on a football field without equipment or helmets don’t blame the guy that gives you a concussion if you didn’t wear yours because it’s uncomfortable to wear! I agree get off comedy central for news you, hack!

Keeva said:
marcus.

I’m not wrong. I stated an opinion–those are neither right or wrong. They just exist.

It’s my belief that the federal government, who was in charge of the recovery effort that involved 1st responders nationwide, is responsible for the attacks on 9/11. It was the Federal government who failed to stop the terrorists on 9/11. It was the Federal Government’s screwup and the Federal government has the obligation to do what is necessary to ease some of the pain and suffering of victims on that day—that includes the 1st responders. So while I understand where you are coming from Keeva, I just politely disagree with you.

After reading all the different sides to this issue on this thread (thank you various posters), I have concluded that both sides have very valid points. What I am hoping for is that in the next congress, the republicans redraft legislation to insure that the democrat’s pork is not included and the provisions for illegals are eliminated. As I stated in my previous post, I do not want to see corrupt union bosses benefiting from this in any way. Bottom line – these people deserve the best of care and it is shocking that NYC is not looking out for their own.

As if it is any surprise that the Republican Party used the tragedy of 911 to promote their own self interests and when it was no longer useful to their agenda the victims and first responders of 911 end up on the scrap heap. It is no surprise to me or anyone who is paying attention that the Republican Party views helping first responders as a hand out, fuck em.

sarainitaly said:
I have no doubt that the government waste continues, and regardless of one link being from 2007, it is still outrageous. All these earmarks and funding of pet projects, like $200M for Murtha’s airport, the expensive booze and meals on private flights, etc. It is tax payer money that these losers are using to live high on the hog, and funds they are avoiding paying taxes on, buying multiple homes, and breaking 11 ethics violations, etc.

Do you have any links that Obama supports this bill? I know he said he would sign it, if it passes, but of course he would say that…. I can’t find anything that says he supports it, and wants it. Last I read he prefers year over year, and promised $150M in 2011.

I agree with Keeva above about this being a NY issue, that they cut funding/dumped these guys. Keeva makes some great points. NY should be asking for the funds to cover these guys, and they should do it.

However, do I support this bill? mmm….Not really. Not that I don’t want them cared for, but the bill appears to be more about setting up yet ANOTHER government program, and the half of the money is for lost wages, and has something to do with the lawsuits (about them not being able to collect in the lawsuit for pain and suffering or something… I forget exactly) and not healthcare. I would prefer that they submit their doctors bills and get them paid for directly – not lose money in some government boondoggle, since they’ve already mucked up the other two programs.

Thank you sarainitaly for proving my point in the upthread hadn’t read this yet.
I am with you, sure George W. Bush can pour billions and billions of dollars on 2 wars that couldn’t be bothered to be on budget (what fun would that be for a “fiscal conservative), the largest unfunded entitlement program ever passed (Medicare D), and we all know that George W. never vetoed a spending bill until well into his second term.

But yeah 911 responders and those who risked their lives to save their fellow countrymen on a terrorist attack that killed 3,000 people on a Republican’s president’s watch, can’t afford to set up another Government program for those people, we usually save all of our welfare bills for banks and corporations. Got it.

“That 9/11 First Responders Are Still Being Ignored”

Well, thats a total lie. The first responders aren’t being ignored at all. all of them are getting the care they need. Looks like YOU didn’t do your research (as usual) Mr. Colby Hall.

Or you did do you research and are just perpetuating lies anyway.

Dronetek said:
“That 9/11 First Responders Are Still Being Ignored”

Well, thats a total lie. The first responders aren’t being ignored at all. all of them are getting the care they need. Looks like YOU didn’t do your research (as usual) Mr. Colby Hall.

Or you did do you research and are just perpetuating lies anyway.

lol,,, that’s rhetorical right?

CosmosDan said:
Sara there’s no doubt in my mind that the Dems , deserve a lot of blame for this not passing but that doesn’t let the GOP, especially the ones actually filibustering against letting the bill come to a vote RIGHT NOW, off the hook does it?

Ooooh, yes. I hate those Republicans filibustering this bill. One question: Who is that? (Hint: the bill is not being and has not been filibustered.)

CosmosDan said:
Good point. Although, I think if they can no longer work due to their efforts at 9/11 that needs to be addressed as well.

Whatever happened to workmen’s comp?

I really don’t understand why there’s an “update” and without context, I can’t see why it was provided. After all, the report from Mr. Johnson is covered starting at 3:52 in the first embed and went on for twenty seconds, then it was touched upon again in the interview segment with Mike Huckabee, so if an “update” was needed, it’d be because someone didn’t watch the clips or the show.

I cannot comprehend at all how the GOP and their messengers (Fox, Rush et.al.) and their oh-so-ignorant listeners and viewers can look at themselves in the mirror and admire what they see….

TAPPER: Can you talk about the failure of the legislation for the 9/11 First Responders to pass? That was held up in the Senate, and I haven’t really heard the White House say much about it.

GIBBS: Well, look, we — look, I think the — if I’m not mistaken — is this for a vote today or a previous vote?

TAPPER: A previous vote.

GIBBS: Yeah, I think, if I’m not mistaken, Senator Reid has filed cloture on a number of things to vote on before the end of the year and before the end of the session. Obviously he filed a cloture on “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.”

TAPPER: Right.

GIBBS: That will be tomorrow, as will the DREAM Act, and, I believe, also the 9/11 bill. And the White House is supportive of all those pieces of legislation.

TAPPER: If I could just follow up –

GIBBS: Mm-hmm.

TAPPER: — with you. I haven’t really heard the White House say much about it, though. I know you’ve had a lot of other things that you’re pushing in terms of the new tax deal, the omnibus bill, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” but is it –

GIBBS: I think — let me check it out. I mean, I think we’ve set up a statement of support, a prior administration position, and we are supportive of the legislation.

(LATER)

TAPPER: Can I just do a quick follow-up? Apparently Reid is going to bring up the First Responders. It could come up as soon as Monday.

GIBBS: Yes.

TAPPER: And every time you guys have talked about — every time you from the podium have talked about calls that the president is making on the tax bill or the DREAM Act –

GIBBS: I’ll check — let me check and see if he’s made any calls.

TAPPER: — you’ve never — we’ve never been told that he’s made calls on the first responders bill.

GIBBS: Well, until this morning, I hadn’t been asked. But I will — let me check and see. Let me go back and look through the call list and see if he has.

-Jake Tapper

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/12/the-white-house-on-the-911-first-responders-bill-todays-qs-for-os-wh.html#tp

So, in other words, Obama supports the prior administrations position, which was year to year funding, and he has not made any calls asking for support of the 9/11 responders bill.

ear eaders
While I appreciate Sarainitaly’s genuine attempts to base argument on fact, I must insist on greater accuracy. First responders were denied the extended health care this bill offered because of the actions of Republicans voting against it in the Senate:
“In a vote largely along party lines, the Senate rejected a procedural move by Democrats to end debate on the 9/11 health bill and to bring it to a vote; 60 yes votes were needed, but the move received 57, with 42 votes against.”

While I find the waffling of the Obama administration on this despicable I find the activity of the Republicans execrable.

leftofsocialist said:
While I appreciate Sarainitaly’s genuine attempts to base argument on fact, I must insist on greater accuracy. First responders were denied the extended health care this bill offered because of the actions of Republicans voting against it in the Senate:
“In a vote largely along party lines, the Senate rejected a procedural move by Democrats to end debate on the 9/11 health bill and to bring it to a vote; 60 yes votes were needed, but the move received 57, with 42 votes against.”

While I find the waffling of the Obama administration on this despicable I find the activity of the Republicans execrable.

If your intent is to deal in fact, you have to look at the history of this bill, not just the last vote. Democrats changed the rules last summer, and required a 2/3 vote, when they have more than enough to pass the bill. They then his the airways screaming and pointing fingers, blaming Republicans, when it was their fault for changing it to a 2/3 vote, ensuring it would fail.

NOW, Republicans have said that they will not pass ANYTHING until the tax bill passes. The Dems are using this to yet again scream and point fingers, saying the evil repubs want the 9/11 responders to die. They said they would not pass anything – yet, the Dems brought this for a vote.

Both sides are posturing, and it is ridiculous to deny it. Dems knew it wouldn’t pass, because Repubs said they would not pass anything until the tax bill is resolved. The Dems wouldn’t be in this mess if they hadn’t changed the vote in the summer.

IF, after the tax bill passes, and the Repubs still vote against this bill, THEN we can attack them. But, until then, they are doing exactly what they said they would do. And the Dems are using that to their advantage. Both sides are using the bill, and the responders as political pawns.

I believe that the Dems changed the vote back in July/August because it is not supported by the Obama administration. But it was the perfect opportunity to attack the Repubs, buy changing the vote.

And, as I said, with all the government waste, and maneuvering and posturing like we are seeing here, by BOTH sides, this is the reason Congress’ approval ratings are worse than Olbermanns, and why the tea party mantra was *throw the bums out* and why I’m not happy with any of them.

excuse the typos…. making lunch, and trying to type a reply, do not mix.

sarainitaly said:
excuse the typos…. making lunch, and trying to type a reply, do not mix.

Rome was burning a couple of days ago why don’t you focus on that.

because that’s not the topic of the thread.

i know it’s a lot easier to just ignore facts, and make snarky personal insults, but do try to stick to the topic.

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sarainitaly said:
If your intent is to deal in fact, you have to look at the history of this bill, not just the last vote. Democrats changed the rules last summer, and required a 2/3 vote, when they have more than enough to pass the bill. They then his the airways screaming and pointing fingers, blaming Republicans, when it was their fault for changing it to a 2/3 vote, ensuring it would fail.

Why did that ensure a failure? Why did Republicans vote against it then? If it’s a good bill for a good cause then it should get 2/3s right?

sarainitaly said:
NOW, Republicans have said that they will not pass ANYTHING until the tax bill passes. The Dems are using this to yet again scream and point fingers, saying the evil repubs want the 9/11 responders to die. They said they would not pass anything – yet, the Dems brought this for a vote.

So you’re saying the Republicans started the political posturing by demanding we do nothing but work on what they wanted to, and somehow it’s the Dems fault for not meeting their demands on that? I don’t see that as a good excuse.

sarainitaly said:
And, as I said, with all the government waste, and maneuvering and posturing like we are seeing here, by BOTH sides, this is the reason Congress’ approval ratings are worse than Olbermanns, and why the tea party mantra was *throw the bums out* and why I’m not happy with any of them.

I agree with you on this.

“In its never-ending struggle for cable news truth, J$P sometimes works behind the scenes. When we spotted Mediaite claiming that Fox News avoided an Olbermann flap by [only covering it]* via an online video, we let them know that Fox News Watch had dealt with it on-air twice. When they put up a wrong video we [directed them]** to the correct one. Recently Colby Hall wrote that Fox News ‘has been suspiciously silent’ on the issue of the 9/11 responders bill–just a few days after Peter Johnson Jr delivered [this eloquent commentary]^. Based on the info we provided, Mr Hall [revised his piece]^^ and included a link to Johnson’s segment.”
* http://www.mediaite.com/online/foxnews-com-pundit-keith-olbermann-clearly-runs-msnbc/
** http://www.mediaite.com/tv/frank-luntz-focus-group-turns-unruly-while-discussing-obamas-tax-cuts/
^ http://video.foxnews.com/v/video-embed.html?video_id=4456675&w=600&h=374
^^ http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-is-justifiably-very-angry-that-911-first-responders-are-still-being-ignored/
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