Donald Trump’s son, Eric Trump, appeared on Fox’s On the Record Monday night to explain that waterboarding not only wasn’t torture — it was basically tantamount to frat house shenanigans.

Greta Van Susteren asked Eric Trump to elaborate on his father’s assertion that he would do worse than waterboarding. He explained:

You see these terrorists that are flying planes into buildings, right? You see our cities getting shot up in California. You see Paris getting shot up. And then somebody complains when a terrorist gets waterboarded, which quite frankly is no different than what happens on college campuses and frat houses every day. And, you know, the man would keep this country safe. There is no question about it.

The late Christopher Hitchens — no wimp when it came to supporting the War on Terror — famously underwent waterboarding voluntary so he could write about the experience for Vanity Fair. “If waterboarding does not constitute torture,” he concluded, “then there is no such thing as torture.”