Joy Reid Tears Into Pastor Mark Burns For Defending Roy Moore: ‘Aren’t You a Moral Leader?’


Remember Pastor Mark Burns? He’s the black Trump-supporting pastor who tweeted out a cartoon of Hillary Clinton in blackface. Following that firestorm, he memorably walked out of a CNN interview last September after he was confronted over exaggerating and lying on his bio.

Well, he’s back, as he’s been tasked with appearing on TV to defend Alabama GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore in the wake of the teen sex abuse scandal. And as you’d imagine, his appearances have been off the rails.

This morning, he showed up on MSNBC’s AM Joy and really got into it with host Joy Reid. Appearing as part of a panel to discuss the latest allegations against Moore — the ex-judge is now being accused by at least eight women — Burns noted that morality” wasn’t the only quality that makes a good leader,” seemingly giving Moore a pass regarding the allegations.

“Hold on just a second. One moment, hold on, hold on,” Reid exclaimed. “I’m going to let you back in. You’re not a lawyer, you’re not a judge. You’re not here to judge whether or not in a court of law Roy Moore would be found guilty after nine women accused him of sexually molesting children.”

She continued, “We have you on because you’re a pastor. What your job is, in theory, is to provide a moral framework for the people who go to your church and listen to you. How can you say that in your moral framework, you’re not here to adjudicate the case, but you’re saying that morality is not the only important thing. Aren’t you a moral leader? Like isn’t that what you’re supposed to be advocating for, for moral leadership?”

According to Burns, his job as a pastor if an accuser came to him to be counseled is “to first discover what do we need to do to start the healing process within that individual.”

“Roy Moore isn’t asking for redemption or healing,” Reid snapped back. “He’s denying he did it.”

After Burns responded that right now we need to ask ourselves if the women are more credible than a person who has been in public service for many years, an incredulous Reid asked him if he was saying he didn’t find the accusers credible.

“I do find the fact that Roy Moore has served faithfully for over 40 years publicly in public office and these women had plenty of opportunity, plenty of opportunities, Joy, to come out and it is suspicious,” he said. “I think the great people of Alabama are realizing that, which is why the majority of Alabamians are still going to vote for Roy Moore, even the governor, even the women that stepped up and said we’re still supporting Roy Moore, because their understanding, it is extremely suspicious that this is all coming out after he’s become the candidate.”

Reid turned to Republican strategist Sarah Rumpf to respond to Burns saying that Moore should be believed because the women accusing Moore aren’t well-known or famous, causing Burns to object to the way Reid was framing his position. Reid and Rumpf informed him that he had his chance and it was now Rumpf’s turn to talk.

“The idea that we’re going to discredit these women because they don’t have the prominence of Roy Moore,” Rumpf stated. “That is how Roy Moore and Harvey Weinstein and Bill O’Reilly and all the rest of these predators have been getting away with it for so long because they were in a position of power and the women were afraid of social and professional and cultural consequences.”

“That’s not what I said,” Burns objected.

Watch the whole heated exchange above, via MSNBC.

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