Tommy you wrote “and to sneak in some lies along the way. The ad says they oppose a total government takeover of healthcare, something that isn’t currently being considered.”

if there is a public option it would inevitably lead to a government takeover of healthcare eventually (Barney Frank, among others, has admitted as much). private companies cannot compete over the long term with a company that can offer a cheaper product due to the fact that it does not have to make a profit and can lose money indefinitely

Private companies compete against private non-profits now. The public option will be funded by premiums, not taxes.

Public option would lead to a government takeover? That’s the most hyperbolic POS I’ve ever heard. Anyone who’s lived outside this country or know how other health care systems work, know that the Public Option is possibly the absolute most minimal way you could ever have any form of government involved in health care ever. If it’s a government takeover, then it’s got to be the most minimal amount in recorded history.

The Gibb’s statement is a laugh riot, especially since he compared Gallup to a “six year old with a crayon” today.

This kind of language really makes me cry. Oh, I mean, makes Nancy pelosi cry.

You ask: ‘Do slavery and racism have a place in the healthcare debate?’ It was the far left that accused the right of being racist by opposing Obama.. it was the far left that said Republicans want people to die, it is the far left that is equating resistance to this health care reform to those complicit in allowing slavery to continue! It was Nancy Pelosi warning of dangerous rhetoric and accountability.. It is you saying this ad is “more like an excuse to distract than an opportunity to defend, and to sneak in some lies along the way..” while Reid’s defense is ‘reasonable enough.’

It has been said a million times too.. Republicans are in control of nothing.

What we have here in this moron is a playing of the race card by the right, a denial that they’re racist so as to make it ok to be a racist because it’s so ludicrous that one would claim they’re racist — and it’s played when NO ONE called them racist. No credibility in the right wing – and the funniest expose’ is the idiot in the video.

Bill Adkins

Are you descended from Polyphemus? By NO ONE, do you mean Jimmy Carter, Maureen Dowd, Dick Durbin, Janeanne Garofalo, Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Eugene Robinson, etc.? Are you referring to the NO ONES who constantly frame opposition to Obama’s ambitious domestic policies not as policy differences, but as racial resentments writ large?

MartiniShark wrote:

This kind of language really makes me cry. Oh, I mean, makes Nancy pelosi cry.

I honestly think Pelosi has been too nipped-and-tucked to cry anymore. Remember when she tried to choke up some tears when she made the analogy of the the assassination of Harvey Milk and George Moscone to the rancor of the Tea Party movement? She tried, but couldn’t start the water works.

Then again, maybe she couldn’t muster a tear because her entire comparison was such bull spittle. The politician who shot and killed both men — former Supervisor Dan White — was a Democrat.

Bill Adkins:

What we have here in this moron is a playing of the race card by the right, a denial that they’re racist so as to make it ok to be a racist because it’s so ludicrous that one would claim they’re racist — and it’s played when NO ONE called them racist.

Liberals ALWAYS call conservatives racist when they get into deep trouble.

n 2008, John McCain was determined not to allow charges of racism to taint his campaign to the point that he regularly condemned GOP pols and supporters who mentioned Obama’s middle name, and made the edict that anyone who mentioned Jeremiah Wright’s name would be fired. But as we saw when Hillary started making traction against him in the ’08 campaign, the Obama camp and its media fanboys pulled out the race stun-gun and started firing when McCain briefly overtook The One in the polls.

Maybe you’ve forgotten how New York Times columnist Bob Herbert reacted to McCain’s TV ad calling Obama “The World’s Biggest Celebrity,” ending with the question “is he ready to lead?” Herbert appeared on MSNBC’s Morning Joe and later Countdown with Keith Blowhardmann alleging that the inclusion of images of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton in the ad was meant to stoke latent racism among whites by — essentially — making you think about the possibility that Barack Obama would be the first in a succession of black men to seek intercourse with your white daughters.

How could McCain have pulled off such a stealthy racist message? Here’s Herbert, in his own words, captured by NewsBusters:

BOB HERBERT: You guys have seen the ad a number of times, I am sure, and you have it here in-house. First thing you see are a couple of images of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, right? And we see an image of Barack Obama right after that, comes quickly right at the beginning of the, you remember that, right? Do you remember any other startling images right there at the beginning?… Alright. There is an image right there in that very beginning of the Leaning Tower of Pisa, and there is an image of the Washington Monument. Look at the beginning of that ad again. And you tell me why those two phallic symbols are placed there [snaps fingers]—pow!—right at the very beginning of that ad.

In reality, neither structure was either the Leaning Tower of Pisa or the Washington Monument – it was the Victory Column in Tiergarten Park in Berlin, nearby where Obama made his ballyhooed speech before an estimated 50,000 Germans. But Herbert wasn’t alone; also joining in such ridiculous accusations against the ad were Joshua Micah Marshall of Talking Points Memo and Demo pundit Bill Press.

Once again, an example of how only one type of person hears “dog whistle racism” — LIBERALS! And it’s a symptom of how leftists believe that conservatives must be so stupid they’ll fall for subliminal advertising tricks — remember how the NYT promoted that nonsense about an RNC ad in which the word “RATS” filled the screen for a split-second? But they expose themselves instead — how paranoid do you have to be to find subliminal advertising where it doesn’t exist?

One last thing: Ain’t it funny how Harry Reid came out and implied ObamaCare opponents were racists right after the “pep talk” from the President?

I called it months ago. The left has used the, “they must be racists,” so much that it’s become a joke. Calling “racism” every time someone doesn’t agree with you degrades the actual charge, and helps those who are actually racist instead of hurting. The left has nobody to blame on this one, but themselves.

Cute, but not funny. We’re not going to fall for this “reverse race card” nonsense. We figured your little game long ago – so everytime you try to restrain legitimate debate with this cute trick, we’re not listening…..

I love it when the left say look at the other countries that have free health care available.
Why do you think they all try to come to America for care then… You cant compare us to any other country that has public option. We have 300 million people in this country and only 4% of the people are without healthcare. I guess I am a Racist then.

“Pat Doherty says:
December 8, 2009 at 8:33 pm

Bill Adkins

Are you descended from Polyphemus? By NO ONE, do you mean Jimmy Carter, Maureen Dowd, Dick Durbin, Janeanne Garofalo, Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, Eugene Robinson, etc.? Are you referring to the NO ONES who constantly frame opposition to Obama’s ambitious domestic policies not as policy differences, but as racial resentments writ large?”

Hyperbull much, Pat Doherty?

“A response like this to a poll number of 12% seems much more like an excuse to distract than an opportunity to defend, and to sneak in some lies along the way. The ad says they oppose a total government takeover of healthcare, something that isn’t currently being considered.”

And that is what I’m referencing – a poll taken in September – the idea that race is the primary concern and factor in opposition is overshadowed only by the stupidity that race is no factor at all. The 12% number is appropriate within the scheme and setting that is politics as to how much of the opposition is race. Addressing Reid’s comments, I think he’s on to something and it’s not the reference to race but the obstruction presented by knuckledraggers like the current crop of Republoteabaggers in Congress.

Keep playing that reverse race card, though. It helps diminish your credibility.

That is incredibly offensive to me that some little asswipe likes calling me a racist because I attended a tea party, or because I don’t like anything PBO is doing. Post-racial.. sure. Liberals are making the worst possible mistakes.

Bill Adkins

I don’t have to play anything. The poll is one of several reasons cited in the ad, along with statements by former president Carter and the nation’s most prominent self-proclaimed civil rights activist, Jesse Jackson. Its not the singular agent informing the response. According to that Republoteabagger propaganda site The Huffington Post, it is Jackson’s comments, not the Rasmussen poll, that led to the ad. Furthermore, to pretend the left has not framed health care opposition as racist is to be ignorant of the national scene. The fact that they’re not terribly effective at convincing people to believe their nonsense is irrelevant.

P.S. What’s a hyperbull?

Tommy I think you must be a racist for bringing all of this up in the first place.
Are you happy now?

Papa Ray