I guess Keith doesn’t know that Mediaite is Media Matters lite, and that you occassionally run MSNBC stories to give yourself cover.

Keith Olbermann lost it ! He never had it in the first place.

The lack of substantive response is puzzling. MSNBC can make a very good argument that, it moderator/anchor line-up notwithstanding, it has a diverse group of guests, commentators and on air personalities. Ego can sometimes be disempowering.

One would think the experience with his father, which he described so eloquently, might render Olbermann a bit more humble, less prickly. He seems to be in the process of becoming a male Greta Van Susteren.

Let’s keep it in perspective. While it doesn’t excuse previous idiocy Mr Olbermann is under tremendous stress.
I’m gonna cut him some slack this time. Hopefully things to resolve themselves one way or another soon
for him.

MSNBC would be doing Keith a HUGE favor if they forced him onto a leave of absence while he goes through this stressful time.

Hmm, which should I believe more? The guy who points out that you were full of shit? Or the guy who knowingly linked to Olbermannwatch despite them being full of shit on a regular basis? Hmm, I don’t know, I’m conflicted here. Oh yeah, bitching about his supposed over generalizations (Which happen to be true in that instance) by using an obvious lie doesn’t justify anything, Colby. Especially when you can do very quick research for yourself to find out what the representation of MSNBC’s hosts are instead of linking to a well known right-wing circle jerk.

Gullible is a kind word, and yes I’m angry but it’s totally unrelated. Although I must say that it is bleeding into this comment.

Something triggered Olbermann to respond again to this Dallas Tea Party diversity issue. Perhaps like he felt he didn’t quite provide ample cover for himself on his 1st attempt. Some lingering damage perhaps.

Think about it, Olbermann didn’t feel whole in his 1st attempt to persuade all that he might either lose viewers or have viewers begin to unravel his tactics of generalization.

So he takes another trustworthy tactic for him, shoot the messenger. Marginalize the messenger, Get his ‘army’ to attack and distrust the messenger that propagated the potential damage.

Thinking Olbermann was told that Abrams owned Mediaite, jumped to 1+1=5 and Olbermann had the tactic he needed for his viewers “to put this issue to rest”.

Still thinking a bit a friendly fire going on.

Snipzor says:
February 25, 2010 at 8:55 am

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… a very good post.

Hi Snipzor – I respect your opinion though I disagree with it. My point (and the point of the Tea Party video) is that MSNBC lineup — as its represented on MSNBC.com — has no diversity. It’s a legitimate critique – if you need evidence, go here http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/ns/msnbc_tv. There is not one person of color on that page – -the very same page used by the Tea Party to make what I felt to be an effective rebuttal to Olbermann’s over the top criticism.

Do I think that MSNBC lacks broader diversity? Absolutely not. But I never made that claim. I simply said that judging MSNBC’s prime time line up is a similar and shallow method by which Olbermann has judged the Tea Party demographics. Again – not sure where gullible is an appropriate descriptor.

Or the guy who knowingly linked to Olbermannwatch despite them being full of shit on a regular basis?

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Would it be safe to say you can’t back this?

What a crock! Countdown and Rachel Maddow have documented time and time again the crude racism of the tea-baggers. Everything from the lunacy of claiming Obama isn’t an American citizen, that he’s a crypto-Muslim, that he’s a “terrorist” (a term they only use to describe dark-skinned people) is pure racism. So are all the attacks on immigrants, as well as calls to seal the Mexican border (no mention of the Canadian border). This kind of bigoted horseshit is like marrow in the tea-baggers’ bones.

So it’s not just the all-white crowds at tea-bagger rallies that show the movement is racist, and to assert that this is Olbermann’s only reason to claim they are racist is a straw man, and proof once again of this site’s dishonesty.

@Colby: My opinion is that if the masthead of MSNBC’s page only highlighted the primetime hosts, it’d be one thing because there’s not a lot of diversity across all news channels in primetime; The “problem” is that they also feature their morning drive-time show, the program which directly follows it and a couple of randoms in the afternoon.

IOW: I may be mistaken and because unlike CNN, they don’t list all of their shows anywhere on the website or bio their hosts, so I might well be… but it seems that their site policy is to hide the shows hosted by those who don’t fit a certain profile.

And again, like President Carter and others, I believe that there are racist elements within the Tea Party movement and I don’t doubt that the Dallas group is of primarily European heritage, but this is a media site and my qualm is with the lack of featured talent (or possibly even an Asian or Hispanic host) across the MSNBC line-up.

Does anti-semitism count as racism? Louis Farrakhan hates Jews. And who is one of Farrakhan’s best buddies? Reverend Wright. And who attended Reverend Wright’s church for twenty years? Obama. But that’s okay, the left tells us. No connection there at all. Their viewpoints are completely different, and besides, Obama had no idea Wright felt the way he did. Plus, Chicago is such a small town, Obama had no choice. There were no other churches available.

I won’t bother responding to the type of trash that uses the word “teabaggers” but Bush was called the world’s #1 terrorist and Hitler and Nazi etc. As Obama is called names, so was Bush. What does this prove? That people are morons.

I can’t imagine Dan Abrams possibly having worse ratings than anyone else on MSNBC. Is that even possible?

Olby Sucks says:
February 25, 2010 at 10:17 am

Or the guy who knowingly linked to Olbermannwatch despite them being full of shit on a regular basis?

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Would it be safe to say you can’t back this?

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If one were to say, “poop stinks,” no back-up would be needed. This is just more of the same.

No comment on the anti-semitism thing. It is kind of hard to defend.

Christine says:
February 25, 2010 at 11:25 am

I won’t bother responding to the type of trash that uses the word “teabaggers” ….

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I do think we all ought to stop using the word in this context. Having said that, you will recall the Tea Partiers called themselves this initially. The first time I have ever saw this word, I was backpacking in Europe (the summer after my junior year in high school) and was in De Wallen “window-shopping” with some buddies. I saw it on a tariff board. One of my friends, fortunately, knew what it meant. Imagine my surprise when, years later, I saw an old white woman with Lipton bags stapled to a straw hat on American television describing herself as a teabagger! Well, it was funny the first couple of times (not so much the act it describes, but the ignorance or naivity the Tea Partiers were displaying. A sort of bizarre self-deprecation.) The joke has run its course.

writer says:
February 25, 2010 at 11:30 am

No comment on the anti-semitism thing. It is kind of hard to defend.

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It’s just that it’s lost any meaning due to your constant repetition.

If one were to say, “poop stinks,” no back-up would be needed. This is just more of the same.

by faux royal king

So, you got nothin’?” I thought you might have an itemized list. I was mistaken.

I was mistaken.

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Shocked!

Royal, if you’d ever offer any defense of Obama’s associations with an anti-semite, the repetition would be unnecessary.

Colby, the problem is that you are playing right into the Team Party false meme and NOT doing your own reporting. Wow. You went to MSNBC’s prime time lineup website.

GREAT JOB! You get paid for this?

How about picking up the phone and/or actually finding out the exact number of minorities on air at MSNBC? I assure you it is not zero, because I have eyes.

The exact words used in the Tea Party ad were “we have more diversity on our 3 person steering committee than your entire TV network lineup.” They did not make a distinction regarding primetime.

You are a lazy writer for not inserting the FACT that MSNBC has at least 4 minorities on air as part time of rull time anchors. I can name 4 right off the bat (Allison Stewart , Carlos Watson, Tamron Hall, Christina Brown).

Keith sad on air last night that there were even more on the payroll. For you to not at least TRY and do a little research and/or quote Keith’s answer to these charges proves you are just doing the Tea Party’s dirty work.

Keith “said on air,” I meant….not “sad on air.” But yes, Keith was sad last night. Really sad about his father. And I’ll give you credit Colby for recognizing that, at least. It was a moving special comment.

ChickaBOOMer — Keith Olbermann: Nobody’s Ghoul
http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2010/02/msnbcs-keith-olbermann-sucking-hind-tit.html

Shocked!

by faux royal king

That you lied? Not really. It’s a given.

@shootfromthehip: I’m not Colby and I’m not on this site’s payroll, but…

The concept of advocacy journalism really just come around over the latter half of the past decade and there’s still two schools of thought. Historically, a reporter’s job was to present the facts and let advocates make competing claims without fact-checking anyone.

This site presented the Dallas video, which was also featured on other sites and they used a phrase which roughly translates to “if you judge others, then others may judge you”, which is basically what happened or was the facts in this case.

Apparently, quite likely because he believes in advocacy journalism, Olbermann thought that this site should research the question, but instead, they presented the Dallas group’s claims and have featured Olbermann’s rebuttals, which is pretty much in line with the traditional role of journalists in American society.

As for the “diversity” question, itself… sure using just the masthead made the Dallas group’s claims appear to hold more weight, but so does counting the number of employees make MSNBC’s position appear more favorable than the result you’d get, if the (steering committee) measure was done on a percentage basis.

It’s really not that difficult. Olbermann’s definition of a racist is: “Anyone who disagrees with me.”

writer – that’s what is referred to as the “Limbaugh stretch.’ Let’s see it I’ve got this right. BO went to Reverend Wrights church and Wright was a friend of LF who is an anti-Semite and therefore BO must be an anti-Semite, is that roughly what you are saying? if so, try harder. BTW, what has that got to do with this little spat between KO and Mediaite, which should work out well for both of them.

Olbermann has truly lost it. And congrats to Mediaite. Getting attacked by Olbermann should be taken as a compliment. It’s the people he praises that you need to look out for. Usually his praise is followed by their disgrace or resignation from whatever position they previously held.

This time we earned bronze in a newly christened “Hall of Shame” segment…

So, he now has his “Worst Persons,” his ironically titled “Best Persons,” and “Hall of Shame.” At what point is “Countdown” going to officially change its name to, “List of People Keith Olbermann Doesn’t Like.” He could just read a list of people… the guy on the subway who looked at him funny… the Dunkin Donuts worker who put too much sugar in his coffee… Bill O’Reilly… the guy talking too loudly on his cell phone…

Yeesh.

Olbermann was calling out the lack of diversity within the Tea Party movement – because he hadn’t noticed many (or any?) people of color in his research.

I’ll just keep posting it… until people finally read it.

Dan Abrams is a punk who’s tawdry spin on news stories reminds me of the worst excesses of celebrity legal journalism, a la OJ Simpson and Michael Jackson. He and Nancy Grace need to go and make babies together.

There’s nothing quite like the quality of Olbermann fans. Yet another raging rant of a post about teabagging teabaggers and their teabagging ways w/i their teabagging movement while teabagging.

PS teabag

Olbermann can’t unring a bell by interjecting a weepy store the day before the health care reform ‘summit.’ He’s the Left’s version of Rush Limbaugh, and I know the Left had all sorts of fun at Limbaugh’s expense when he had medical issues.

Colby?

It’s almost like Olbermann, in his haste to blast anyone who disagrees with anything he says, kind of stepped into it in this case.

He’s actually dragging out that old, long forgotten “gem”…”That can’t be true….some of my best friends are…..”

Good job, Colby.

@Puter Boi: 23 of his friends.

Ted, the spat had its origins in Olbermann saying there’s no diversity in the tea partiers. Mediaite dared speak to his majesty in something less than reverence, and that’s how it started. My point is, there’s racism on the left, but Olby and all you lefties ignore it. If a conservative candidate had spent twenty years in a racist far right wing church, the left would have been apoplectic. But with Obama, it’s strictly hands off. He’s listens to Wright for twenty years and has no idea of his views? Obama was either lying, or he’s so inattentive he has no business being president. Like all you lefties, Olbermann ignored this or passed it off as nothing, yet you’re the first to scream ‘racism’ if there’s so much as a cloud in the sky. Hypocrites.

Just my 2 cents, I really miss(and I think there is really a need for) a place on MSNBC for the middle of the road point of view. Dan Abrams and Tucker Carlson and others should have a show on the order of AC360. I think that was almost happening before Dan left an Rachel took his time slot. The majority of this country lies somewhere between the far right and the far left. I am a democrat , but not to a fault. I know and love republicans who think
Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Rielly are an abomination and Glenn Beck should be instutionalized. We need a place to turn for a sane and accurate interpretation of the facts of the day. COME BACK DAN!!!!!

Now you KNOW you’re WAY on the left if you are complaining about Mediaite parroting conservatives. It’s almost funny.

Do you really not see the blatant racism in the tea party movement??

Roc Henderson says:
February 25, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Do you really not see the blatant racism in the tea party movement??

Liiiiiiiiiike?

Come on, Olbermann isn’t responsible for anything he says now. His dad is sick. He gets blanket immunity for all absurd statements.

MSNBC has been throwing the race card since the day the tea party movement stood up. They dish it, they need to learn to take it.

Does Dan Abrams still work for NBC/MSNBC in any capacity? If he does, then Olbermann HAS to have a public spanking like Joe got; if he doesn’t, then Olby’s attack on Dan is just like Olby’s attack on anyone else. That is what Olbermann does — attack.

The term racism/racist no longer has much meaning given MSNBC abuse of the term for too long now.

writer – so then I can assume I was right. Terrific. Listen, you should have no problem selling that line to the tea party crowd. Like Mikey, they’ll eat anything.

Do you really not see the blatant racism in the tea party movement??

I do not, in fact, Roc. Do you see blatant racism in the root’s list of black americans that should be erased from history?

Writer, you are spot on (as usual). Imagine if Rush had said that BO was the first clean, articulate, black man, without a negro dialect, do you think he’s be on the radio today? We all know that he would not.

Ted, I understand. Reverend Wright and Obama are black. So your political correctness will never allow you to say anything disparaging about them. Let Wright shout “Goddamn America” from the rooftops. You couldn’t give a shit. As long as he’s perceived to be on your ‘side’, anything goes.

I just read the tea party platform. Didn’t see any references to race, nor even to negating affirmative action. By not asserting race as an issue, are they racist? It certainly mentions race many fewer times than the democratic platform does–but at a handful of paragraphs, vs. a 59 page document, perhaps there were just fewer opportunities to “fit all that extra stuff in”.

Looks more “libertarian” than “white supremacist” to me. But what do I know–I got an education in the public system…

@Phil Bourekas: I could offer a few links along the lines of this profile or suggest some anecdotal evidence, but last I heard, the “Tea Party” movement was a loose affiliation of like-minded groups with no organizing or centralized governance, except to provide communications.

Perhaps that changed for the handful who gathered in Nashville or maybe one or the other of the national coalitions are starting to try and get organized, but as far as I know there hasn’t been any delegates appointed to write a “platform”, nor has one been adopted by every local chapter who describe themselves as “Tea” or “Reform”.

Interesting how the issue has become Mr. Olbermann. Is anyone seriously arguing that the so-called Tea Party protests are diverse? Look at your T.V’s people! You don’t need a cable commentator to point out a fact that is plain for all to see. It is not an answer to claim that someone else is homogenous, too, but to acknowledge that, for whatever reason, the movement appears to attract a good deal more whites than any other ethnic group. And, many of the signs they carry are not the most enlightened and culturally sensitive so there is an obvious inference to be drawn that they are not exactly welcoming to other ethnic groups. Let’s not pretend that there is a real debate here.

Olbermann’s “lost it”? Please. He’s got more, under trying circumstances, than Abrams or Fox ever had or will have. You can tell how much of a raw nerve Keith’s truth-telling commentary hits by the hateful, teeth-gnashing reactions he generates.

This episode is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to divert attention from the salient point Keith made about the utter lack of diversity, percentage-wise, among participants in Tea Party activities and Republicans in general. We’re talking about thousands and millions of people respectively.

To attempt to rebut by howling about a few news anchors and/or guests–not that there isn’t a point, however comparatively miniscule–is as laughable as it is disgraceful. This is about a movement and an ideology that impact millions. In a strategy reminiscent of the use of Al Gore to justify neglecting an entire planet and its future, you rationalize this mass imbalance by decrying the hypocrisy of a single person. It’s sick.

The racism implied here goes deeper than lack of participation on the part of non-whites. Ad hominem attacks such as “he’s illegitimate”, “he’s a closet Muslim”, “he’s not an American citizen”, “he’s a terrorist”, “he’s a black supremacist”, and other such fallacies have been targeted by these adversaries of the President from the beginning. Olbermann pointed this out as part of his argument. Where is the rebuttal to that?

@AlbertJ & John Frum: Speaking only for myself, I’ve commented or have written about my political problems with the “Tea Party” movement and I’ve touched upon its racial makeup to political, general interest and in my own blog, but I consider this a media site and Olbermann/MSNBC are media figures.

Again, I’m not Colby and I don’t work for this site, but the original post really just said “judge not, lest ye be judged” and not a whole lot more.

Is it a valid point of argument that the tea parties don’t have a lot of black participants? That sounds rather silly. So, because the whites there can force blacks to take part, it might be racism? Have you seen the polling? Blacks still support a failed Obama presidency in droves…but why? Is it a legit concern that blacks seem to support black leaders, pundits, and others no matter how horrible their actions? How do you explain black support of scumbags like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson? Isn’t it disconcerting that blacks overwhelmingly support OJ Simspon, who so clearly murderer two people?

Let’s face it, black Americans are a near monolith in their voting, their attitudes, and their support of other blacks no matter how heinous the characters involved are…a legitimate concern might be to ask why that’s the case to begin with? Because they choose to stay awkwardly tied to liberal policies that almost never benefit them isn’t something that others are responsible for…unless we pin it to liberal politicians who do their best to convince black voters that conservatives are evil racists, tho no evidence exists to support that theory at all.

Just as a general rule, trying to invalidate someone’s political views because of skin color is reprehensible. Why can’t we all agree on this? In truth, I never hear the right try to do this, but the left constantly obsesses on skin color these days. If you doubt this, do a Google search for articles that mention black skin or white skin, and see who is raising this subject. The skin color of the tea party attendees is an obsession on the left. The skin color of the President is an obsession on the left. I don’t see why people’s color, black or white or purple, should be a reason to denigrate their views.

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