Limbaugh is of course 150% correct!! The left hates it that he knows them so well.

Rush. You are becoming a parody of yourself.

Newt Gingrich said Sarah Palin should watch what she says. Is he a member of the left? Is that a call for censorship?

Rush is right. The MSM is all about blaming anything on the right as hate and vitriol but the MSM comments are just regular commentary and are not hate or vitriolic. Yeah right….

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Limbaugh is of course 150% correct!! The left hates it that he knows them so well.

Rush is of course in full support of Soviet Propaganda and/or Fascists Propaganda as his playbook is that of Goebbels and Pravda. One voice, one party.

Paul, it’s pretty well known that most of the establishment Republican’s aren’t fans of Palin. Plus, it’s a safe bet that Newt is running for Pres, so of course he’s going to criticize the competition.

So then should your statement have read “the left and establishment Republicans hate it that he knows them so well”?

Great comment James!! Now perhaps you should take your meds. We’ve all seen what happens when those who should take them, dont.

James Gregory Backus said:
Rush is of course in full support of Soviet Propaganda and/or Fascists Propaganda as his playbook is that of Goebbels and Pravda. One voice, one party.

you got to love this nut

James Gregory Backus said:
Rush is of course in full support of Soviet Propaganda and/or Fascists Propaganda as his playbook is that of Goebbels and Pravda. One voice, one party.

Ah yes, there’s that blessed civility we’re looking for.

To be fair Paul, Rush constantly calls out establishment Republicans. He’s right, the calls for civility are the other side saying, “Don’t you DARE oppose us on anything or we’ll cry foul”.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
To be fair Paul, Rush constantly calls out establishment Republicans. He’s right, the calls for civility are the other side saying, “Don’t you DARE oppose us on anything or we’ll cry foul”.

If he is calling out the left and establishment Republicans, are those groups on the same side? Who is on the other side?

You are right the left needs to blame the right…for the Rights message is about doing harm to those voters that wanted to move on to an advance America. And when America wakes up from its social coma or well some in America have woken up from that social coma and see the America we want is becoming harder to obtain because those in power or those holding the economic strings of this nation are weaken it….the media which is mainstream includes Rush and Beck and others.. Rush is telling its listening media is hurting your life and for some reason people are not hearing the man…Rush is saying I am entertainment and not to be taken seriously so listening to me Rush is hurting america….and when you hear Beck say that bacon is a tool of the left and his Beck’s listeners take that statement seriously we must have to look at the educational institutions in america and repair them…Rush is entertainment a clown a fool and to give this man control over this nation is seriously not a good idea especially if those that would elect Rush would want his radio persona to be represented in the office of the land…this man is a joke and we should move on from this joke move or strive toward a better direction a perfect direction towards peace and happiness and with that security will be an automatic

Reagan granted amnesty to illegal aliens, raised taxes, compromised with Democrats, increased deficit spending, and helped arm Saddam Hussein. Sounds like a RINO to me by today’s standards.

Those are all indisputable facts, by the way, for those of you who have deified Reagan without ever bothering to look at his record.

Gottasay says:

And when America wakes up from its social coma

They did on Nov. 2

RUSH is CORRECT! He always predicts exactly what the LEFT will do!

Publius219 said:
Reagan granted amnesty to illegal aliens, raised taxes, compromised with Democrats, increased deficit spending, and helped arm Saddam Hussein. Sounds like a RINO to me by today’s standards.

Those are all indisputable facts, by the way, for those of you who have deified Reagan without ever bothering to look at his record.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/05/10/even-reagan-wasn-t-a-reagan-republican.html

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Gottasay says:

And when America wakes up from its social coma

They did on Nov. 2

I mean, some of it. Midterm elections skew a lot older/whiter normally anyway, and those 2 demographics tend to lean more conservative anyway. The 2010 electorate does not = the 2012 electorate at all. The real GOP candidates realize this.

juan said:
RUSH is CORRECT! He always predicts exactly what the LEFT will do!

Who wants to play spot the logical fallacy?

Rush had a dynamite show today. He absolutely showed how the anti-American Leftist rhetoric could easily stir a loose nut to violence. When they are told on a regular basis that their country is evil and destroying the world’s resources, that President Bush was an accomplice to 9/11, that the rich are only rich because they “stole” what belongs to the “little people,” and a plethora of ongoing hate speech Democrats use in lieu of having any successful policies for America, then YES………….a loose-cannon could easily be pushed over the edge.

I firmly believe that Democrats know full well of their hate-speech rhetoric, and that’s exactly why they felt the urgency to jump up and try to blame Conservatives. Obviously, censoring the response of the Conservatives leaves that hate-speech freshly on the minds of future DIM maniacs.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
To be fair Paul, Rush constantly calls out establishment Republicans. He’s right, the calls for civility are the other side saying, “Don’t you DARE oppose us on anything or we’ll cry foul”.

So what is it when conservatives tell liberals we’re un-American if we oppose them? Isn’t that the same principle?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
To be fair Paul, Rush constantly calls out establishment Republicans. He’s right, the calls for civility are the other side saying, “Don’t you DARE oppose us on anything or we’ll cry foul”.

Yes, despite quotes from prominent Democrats to the EXACT contrary of what you just stated, you’re absolutely right. Bravo.

Publius219 said:
I mean, some of it. Midterm elections skew a lot older/whiter normally anyway, and those 2 demographics tend to lean more conservative anyway. The 2010 electorate does not = the 2012 electorate at all. The real GOP candidates realize this.

The majority of voters don’t vote in mid-terms.

Davo said:
Rush had a dynamite show today. He absolutely showed how the anti-American Leftist rhetoric could easily stir a loose nut to violence. When they are told on a regular basis that their country is evil and destroying the world’s resources, that President Bush was an accomplice to 9/11, that the rich are only rich because they “stole” what belongs to the “little people,” and a plethora of ongoing hate speech Democrats use in lieu of having any successful policies for America, then YES………….a loose-cannon could easily be pushed over the edge.

I firmly believe that Democrats know full well of their hate-speech rhetoric, and that’s exactly why they felt the urgency to jump up and try to blame Conservatives. Obviously, censoring the response of the Conservatives leaves that hate-speech freshly on the minds of future DIM maniacs.

This is an absurdly broad generalization with no basis in reality.

Davo said:
Rush had a dynamite show today. He absolutely showed how the anti-American Leftist rhetoric could easily stir a loose nut to violence. When they are told on a regular basis that their country is evil and destroying the world’s resources, that President Bush was an accomplice to 9/11, that the rich are only rich because they “stole” what belongs to the “little people,” and a plethora of ongoing hate speech Democrats use in lieu of having any successful policies for America, then YES………….a loose-cannon could easily be pushed over the edge.

I firmly believe that Democrats know full well of their hate-speech rhetoric, and that’s exactly why they felt the urgency to jump up and try to blame Conservatives. Obviously, censoring the response of the Conservatives leaves that hate-speech freshly on the minds of future DIM maniacs.

Honestly it’s getting harder and harder for me to tell if comments like this are satirical or not.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Limbaugh is of course 150% correct!! The left hates it that he knows them so well.

It’s partisan nonsense.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
To be fair Paul, Rush constantly calls out establishment Republicans. He’s right, the calls for civility are the other side saying, “Don’t you DARE oppose us on anything or we’ll cry foul”.

I so love your ability to read minds. Michele do you ever comment on a topic on here or just play gottcha games?

I have to admit that I have never listened to RUSH. He is a total mess and sounds like an addict that has never embraced recovery. I have always wondered if all of his stuff is JUST an act. Personally it is hard for me to believe that he is for real. If it is an act good for him. He is making tons of money doing it. Just like the Hollywood stars all you righties hate.

Publius219 said:
Honestly it’s getting harder and harder for me to tell if comments like this are satirical or not.

No satire. But I’m sure it might look that way from the anti-American LEFT. You people just can’t imagine there being any other valid view than your agenda to finish converting America from the freedom and capitalism that made us great and strong, over to another weak failure in Socialism/Communism to add to the list already containing the bones and remains of societies that were victims of Leftist Progressivism.

Perhaps the problem with DIMS is that you prefer having those you consider “elite” do your thinking for you. That’s about the only way you would continually push for a Socialist agenda that’s crushed every nation unfortunate enough to have ever embraced it. Liberalism has the distinction of having a100% failure rate, and that’s why rational people consider it a mental disorder to continue to promote it.

So, how does that sound to you now?

BlackWidow said:
I have to admit that I “HAVE NEVER LISTENED TO RUSH”. He is a total mess and sounds like an addict that has never embraced recovery. I have always wondered if all of his stuff is JUST an act. Personally it is hard for me to believe that he is for real.

Well, Publius, If we’re gonna start a debate, I’ll submit the above as support for my assertion regarding Liberalism being a mental disorder.

Spiderlady says:

Michele do you ever comment on a topic on here or just play gottcha games?

Yeah, I did. Try reading the comments before spouting off. I believe mine was the first one.

Publius219 said:
I mean, some of it. Midterm elections skew a lot older/whiter normally anyway, and those 2 demographics tend to lean more conservative anyway. The 2010 electorate does not = the 2012 electorate at all. The real GOP candidates realize this.

Keep fooling yourself. LOL.

And shouting “fire!” in a crowded theater is also an abridgement of free speech.

Legislating civility is censorship. Calling for it is just classy.

BlackWidow said:
I have to admit that I have never listened to RUSH. He is a total mess and sounds like an addict that has never embraced recovery. I have always wondered if all of his stuff is JUST an act. Personally it is hard for me to believe that he is for real. If it is an act good for him. He is making tons of money doing it. Just like the Hollywood stars all you righties hate.

Just admit that you are stupid.

Thelonious Funk said:
Legislating civility is censorship. Calling for it is just classy.

That is about right.

We dont even need to go back to the 80s.

There was plenty of need for the call of civility during W. Bush’s years in office.

Yet we didnt hear any of it from the media. Bush, Cheney, Conda-SKEEZA, they were evil and deserved to be treated as such, right?

I dont need to post the literally hundreds of examples of Bush and Cheney being called everything in the book for 8 years ongoing- Death threats, snuff film fantasies, you name it- and If you dont know what Im talking about, then you are too stupid to be involved in this conversation.

So I think Rush’s point is valid- of course because he says it, the left will hate it, because admit it, you HATE Rush Limbaugh. Yes, I said HATE.

The only way any call for civility can be heeded is if first decide to be civil yourself- Remove the plank in your eye before removing the splinter in someone else’s, if you will.

Otherwise its just trying to censor the opposition and make a political gain out of a tragedy.

“Rush is of course in full support of Soviet Propaganda and/or Fascists Propaganda as his playbook is that of Goebbels and Pravda. One voice, one party.”

It always puzzles me how the collectivist, big government, politically correct Left can accuse others of emulating the USSR and Hitler’s Germany with no apparent shame or sense of irony. Especially Limbaugh. One can only deduce from this written ignorance that Mr Backus is horribly confused regarding political ideologies and has never apparently ever listened to 2 minutes of Limbaugh’s program.

valkyrie101 said:
And shouting “fire!” in a crowded theater is also an abridgement of free speech.

durrrrr. This would only make sense as a proper analogy to a Leftist since the Left equates all speech with which it disagrees as dangerous and in need of abridgment.

BarneyFranken said:
There was plenty of need for the call of civility during W. Bush’s years in office.

That’s true. There is a difference when the rhetoric becomes far more mainstream and encouraged by major figures.
We’ll always have the extreme fringes and haters, but we don’t need to amplify them.

BarneyFranken said:
The only way any call for civility can be heeded is if first decide to be civil yourself- Remove the plank in your eye before removing the splinter in someone else’s, if you will.

I agree. Lead by example while calling for an improvement in dialogue.

M Colins said:
durrrrr. This would only make sense as a proper analogy to a Leftist since the Left equates all speech with which it disagrees as dangerous and in need of abridgment.

The point is, freedom of speech is NOT absolute. It may be regulated under certain circumstances. Correct?

BlackWidow said:
for me to believe that he is for real. If it is an act good for him. He is making tons of money doing it. Just like the Hollywood stars all you righties hate.

then you opinions regarding Rush are propaganda that you have believed. Sorta like, I’ve never eaten Lobster but I know it sucks. I give you a Royal STFU

Demagogues do what demagogues do. No one is stopping you from talking, Rush. Quit your whining.

Publius219 said:
Reagan granted amnesty to illegal aliens, raised taxes, compromised with Democrats, increased deficit spending, and helped arm Saddam Hussein. Sounds like a RINO to me by today’s standards.

Those are all indisputable facts, by the way, for those of you who have deified Reagan without ever bothering to look at his record.

You are a very confused person who has not presented facts but their characterization of facts.

As far as amnesty, please read the Simpson Mazzoli Act which Reagan signed (not wrote). An estimated 3 million aliens received amnesty or a path to citizenship. It set out to accomplish much more than that but its main purpose was to tighten restrictions on illegal immigration so a characterization of it as an amnesty is basically ignorance or deliberate deception.

Reagans record on taxes was to lower the top marginal tax rate from 70% to 50% in 1981 then through TEFRA in 1986 from 50% to 38.50%. Its hard to tell exactly what tax increases you are referring to since his record is fairly easy to research on taxes. It is also easy to show how revenue to the Treausry during Reagan-Bush (1980-1992) doubled because of the lowered taxes.

There have been continuous deficits since JFK (this includes Clinton’s almost “balanced” budget in 1998) But all 8 budgets submitted by Reagan were DOA at the Democratically led House and Senate. Spending cuts were supposed to be included but every time he did it he was overriden by Congress. Neither is “compromise” de facto RINO ism. I don’t recall reading anywhere that a conservative never compromises.

Your last doozy is a good one. The US actually ranked between 24th and 30th in sales of arms to Iraq during the Saddam Regime, the great majority (billions) of sales coming from the USSR and France. The US under Reagan did move more arms to Iraq through the CIA but if one were to take that at face value rather than in the context of aiding Iraq against Iran who was at the time and still is a greater enemy to the US, one might have been swayed by another one of your ridiculous characterizations.

Its a wonder you state these things with such authority given how easily you have been shown to be full of crap.

Publius219 said:
Yes, despite quotes from prominent Democrats to the EXACT contrary of what you just stated, you’re absolutely right. Bravo.

1 week of politically calculated “civility” does not cancel out reality. But while their is a lot of solemn head nodding, the Left still is peddling the exact same narrative as subtext. Apparently you think its the Right that needs to be more civil (oh and by the way the AZ shootings really were Palin and Limbaugh’s fault!)

M Colins said:
Its a wonder you state these things with such authority given how easily you have been shown to be full of crap.

Ya’ gotta understand Liberals, M. They don’t actually think. They simply repeat whatever their “thinkers” tell them to repeat with no concern whatsoever for it’s accuracy or even superficial plausibility. Their nourishment is nonsense, such as “Bush lied.” and “Hussein created a million new jobs this year” and……………well, you get the picture. Credibility is a nuisance to Liberals.

limbaugh right on the money yet again.

gordonbloyershow said:
Just admit that you are stupid.

Perhaps if you admit you’re a coward.

valkyrie101 said:
The point is, freedom of speech is NOT absolute. It may be regulated under certain circumstances. Correct?

Here’s an idea guaranteed to produce civility. How ’bout we make it illegal for Liberals to speak. If Liberals aren’t allowed to spew anti-American propaganda, then there will be no need for Hannity, Rush, Palin, of FNC. Rush thought not allowing Liberals to own guns is also a good idea, given Liberals’ penchant for violence against those with whom they disagree.

Yeah. This idea has some great possibilities for America.

Now Pubes, THIS is some satire………………………………………….maybe.

Limbaugh’s just another bitter, failed, stupid conservative boy’s whose daddy never gave him approval.

See, right-wingers, you have to be RAISED by good, decent and intelligent people to know what civility is all about.

Davo says:
January 18, 2011 at 5:51 pm Davo(Quote)
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M Colins said:
Its a wonder you state these things with such authority given how easily you have been shown to be full of crap.

Ya’ gotta understand Liberals, M. They don’t actually think. They simply repeat whatever their “thinkers” tell them to repeat with no concern whatsoever for it’s accuracy or even superficial plausibility. Their nourishment is nonsense, such as “Bush lied.” and “Hussein created a million new jobs this year” and……………well, you get the picture. Credibility is a nuisance to Liberals.

Really, it isn’t liberals who are the mindless cowards who would beat and murder their own children if Rush or some right-wing loon gave them the word. What’s the matter, conservative boys, don’t have the balls to think for yourselves?
Rush and his RICH friends say “jump” and you mindless, ball-less fools say “How high, master?”

discussion over. SarahP the foul mouthed bully just showed up. Be prepared to be called every four letter word in the book regardless of your opinion. BYe.

Biscuit said:
Davo says:
January 18, 2011 at 5:51 pm Davo(Quote)
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M Colins said:
Its a wonder you state these things with such authority given how easily you have been shown to be full of crap.

Ya’ gotta understand Liberals, M. They don’t actually think. They simply repeat whatever their “thinkers” tell them to repeat with no concern whatsoever for it’s accuracy or even superficial plausibility. Their nourishment is nonsense, such as “Bush lied.” and “Hussein created a million new jobs this year” and……………well, you get the picture. Credibility is a nuisance to Liberals.

Really, it isn’t liberals who are the mindless cowards who would beat and murder their own children if Rush or some right-wing loon gave them the word. What’s the matter, conservative boys, don’t have the balls to think for yourselves?
Rush and his RICH friends say “jump” and you mindless, ball-less fools say “How high, master?”

YES WE CAN!!!!

Rush had a dynamite show today. He absolutely showed how the anti-American Leftist rhetoric could easily stir a loose nut to violence.

**Studies show that most violence is committed by right-wing males. Lose again, Davo. What is it about violence and hatred that so motivates you losers?
What’s the matter, didn’t your lousy, stupid feminazi mothers bothering raising you to be decent, respectable men? :P

When they are told on a regular basis that their country is evil and destroying the world’s resources, that President Bush was an accomplice to 9/11, that the rich are only rich because they “stole” what belongs to the “little people,” and a plethora of ongoing hate speech Democrats use in lieu of having any successful policies for America, then YES………….a loose-cannon could easily be pushed over the edge.

***I love it when Rush feeds you DittoNazis bull and you buy it, hook, line, and sinker. You know, part of what makes a real man is the ability to THINK for themselves, right-winger. :P

I firmly believe that Democrats know full well of their hate-speech rhetoric, and that’s exactly why they felt the urgency to jump up and try to blame Conservatives. Obviously, censoring the response of the Conservatives leaves that hate-speech freshly on the minds of future DIM maniacs.

What hatred? It isn’t liberal men beating the crap and stomping on the heads of women, and murdering innocent humans because they don’t know anything about liberal values (ie: TRULY respecting life)

I pity you Dittoheads, such angry, bitter, FAILED little boys. :)

screwauger said:
discussion over. SarahP the foul mouthed bully just showed up. Be prepared to be called every four letter word in the book regardless of your opinion. BYe.

Let the record show that moose gave a poster the “Royal STFU.” The moose is foul. No pun here.

ZZZZZZZ……

M Colins said:
You are a very confused person who has not presented facts but their characterization of facts.

As far as amnesty, please read the Simpson Mazzoli Act which Reagan signed (not wrote). An estimated 3 million aliens received amnesty or a path to citizenship. It set out to accomplish much more than that but its main purpose was to tighten restrictions on illegal immigration so a characterization of it as an amnesty is basically ignorance or deliberate deception.

He signed a bill authorizing “amnesty” that you wingnuts like labeling and demonizing in every immigration debate. Publius219 is FACTUALLY correct in saying Reagan granted amnesty. He, the POTUS signed the bill, consequently, authorizing that provision. Presidents don’t write bills, congress does….duh. He sure as hell could have vetoed it if he hated it so much, but he didn’t. Even Sarah Palin (biggest Reagan nutswinger) has derided Reagan on the O’Reilly Factor for “granting amnesty.” Don’t be disingenuous.

Reagans record on taxes was to lower the top marginal tax rate from 70% to 50% in 1981 then through TEFRA in 1986 from 50% to 38.50%. Its hard to tell exactly what tax increases you are referring to since his record is fairly easy to research on taxes. It is also easy to show how revenue to the Treausry during Reagan-Bush (1980-1992) doubled because of the lowered taxes.

There have been continuous deficits since JFK (this includes Clinton’s almost “balanced” budget in 1998) But all 8 budgets submitted by Reagan were DOA at the Democratically led House and Senate. Spending cuts were supposed to be included but every time he did it he was overriden by Congress. Neither is “compromise” de facto RINO ism.

Plenty of Reagan tax increases. Read and understand.
http://www.frumforum.com/bartlett-dont-forget-about-reagans-tax-increases

Don’t forget his efforts in drastically cutting those marginal tax rates led to him almost tripling the national debt in 8 years! Reagan’s former budget director, today, repudiates that economic policy.

I don’t recall reading anywhere that a conservative never compromises.

Listen to Rush Limbaugh. The Conservative megaphone.

Your last doozy is a good one. The US actually ranked between 24th and 30th in sales of arms to Iraq during the Saddam Regime, the great majority (billions) of sales coming from the USSR and France. The US under Reagan did move more arms to Iraq through the CIA but if one were to take that at face value rather than in the context of aiding Iraq against Iran who was at the time and still is a greater enemy to the US, one might have been swayed by another one of your ridiculous characterizations.

More sophistry. It doesn’t change the veracity of Publius219′s statement. The USA (Reagan administration) helped arm the tyrant Saddam Hussein, and the Mujahadeen (you know, the group Osama Bin Laden was fighting with), the very same decade Saddam was gassing his own people. Surely, you can not be that dumb to even refute it. Let’s not forget the whole Iran-Contra stuff. Facts are facts, dude.

Biscuit said:
What’s the matter, didn’t your lousy, stupid feminazi mothers bothering raising you to be decent, respectable men? :P

I guess it would be too much to expect you to notice the irony in your own post, given the difficulty you have in figuring out that lil’ “Quote” button. Go watch cartoons, son, you’re WAY out of your league here.

Gasket said:
Don’t forget his efforts in drastically cutting those marginal tax rates led to him almost tripling the national debt in 8 years!

You probably think it was all the Republican controlled Congress that increased spending causing that rise in debt, huh Gasket.

Bad news. The DEMOCRATS controlling Congress (and hence, spending) made it a point to nullify the increases in the public coffers that resulted from the tax cuts, by increasing their spending at an even higher rate. But don’t let the math bother you, Gasket……………you can tell us that it was not Reagan, but Jimmy Carter’s financial “insight” that overcame Jimmy Carter’s double-digit inflation, double-digit interest rates, and double-digit unemployment. But I gotta warn ya’, you’ll look really silly if you do.

Gasket said:
ZZZZZZZ……

He signed a bill authorizing “amnesty” that you wingnuts like labeling and demonizing in every immigration debate. Publius219 is FACTUALLY correct in saying Reagan granted amnesty. He, the POTUS signed the bill, consequently, authorizing that provision. Presidents don’t write bills, congress does….duh. He sure as hell could have vetoed it if he hated it so much, but he didn’t. Even Sarah Palin (biggest Reagan nutswinger) has derided Reagan on the O’Reilly Factor for “granting amnesty.” Don’t be disingenuous.

Plenty of Reagan tax increases. Read and understand.
http://www.frumforum.com/bartlett-dont-forget-about-reagans-tax-increases

Don’t forget his efforts in drastically cutting those marginal tax rates led to him almost tripling the national debt in 8 years! Reagan’s former budget director, today, repudiates that economic policy.

Listen to Rush Limbaugh. The Conservative megaphone.

More sophistry. It doesn’t change the veracity of Publius219’s statement. The USA (Reagan administration) helped arm the tyrant Saddam Hussein, and the Mujahadeen (you know, the group Osama Bin Laden was fighting with), the very same decade Saddam was gassing his own people. Surely, you can not be that dumb to even refute it. Let’s not forget the whole Iran-Contra stuff. Facts are facts, dude.

It’s always amusing how Lefties turn into lawyers. Truly doublespeak worthy of Bill Clinton. Gee, I guess that from a certain perspective what Publius said was factual even if he mischaracterized those facts to create an incorrect impression.

If I am to follow your logic Reagan cut taxes and deficits grew so therefore lowered taxes are the culprit. Well if revenue to the treasury doubled with lower taxes what part of the equation is amiss? Spending. Every Reagan budget that cut spending was rejected by Congress.

Btw Publius didnt say the US was one of the lowest of 30 or more countries who sold military hardware to Saddam. He said “Reagan armed Saddam”. I think the sophistry is coming from you. He also neglected to include that terms with Saddam were more or less amicable during the Iraq/Iran War. Hi statement is calculated to give the impression that Reagan unilaterally armed a madman who we ended up having to declare war upon. Fail.

You attempt the same silliness with ” Let’s not forget the whole Iran-Contra stuff. Facts are facts, dude.” Yeah facts are facts alright. But clearly incomplete facts appear to be your and Publius’ favorite kind.

Biscuit said:
Really, it isn’t liberals who are the mindless cowards who would beat and murder their own children if Rush or some right-wing loon gave them the word. What’s the matter, conservative boys, don’t have the balls to think for yourselves?

I love this! He writes what he purports Conservatives believe and then ridicules it like some Conservative actually said it! How is that debating yourself working for you?

It seems the only time we hear a call for civility is when the conservatives have the upper hand on an issue.

Where were the calls for civility when Clyburn was calling Palin stupid?

Where were the calls for civility when Hillary was calling Petraeus a liar and the NYT were saying the same thing?

Where were the calls for civility when Grayson was calling for Bush to be tried for war crimes?

Where were the calls for civility when Frank said that Cheney should drop dead?

Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Gingrich. With friends and spokespeople like these it’s no wonder that the right has problems. These are not lovable guides to a happy future. Limbaugh is probably the most influential of the lot. I wonder when you’re listening to him whether you don’t find the carping tone and timbre of his voice and disingenuous of his ideas a tad off-putting. Aside from the committed dittoheads, most people can’t stand this guy and Beck isn’t much different. Despite the numbers, most people don’t listen or watch these people. Probably 20% of the population is to the left and 20% to the right and the rest are in the middle, but the left is much more diverse and not as extreme as the 20% right. And the accusation that liberal/left/progressive people are anti-American is farcical. We are certainly not as arrogant and intolerant as the right and many of us don’t believe in American exceptionalism – we’re no better than foreigners but we’re no less patriotic, and we are exteremely appreciative of the wonderful things that America is about and the fantastic contributions we’ve made to world culture. Another big difference is that the left is more open and desirous of creating positive change than the right. The right has this rigid, fundamentalistic outlook on the world which very few people outside this country understand or appreciate. Your intense dislike of Obama is another weird thing. He’s not perfect, but half the country even through these difficult times still supports him. To go on about his being a this and that is childish and ignorant. To equate a call for more civility as being a form of censorship again is symptomatic of the irrational thinking that, thanks to Rush, has really infected a lot of the people on the right.

Davo said:

You probably think it was all the Republican controlled Congress that increased spending causing that rise in debt, huh Gasket.

Did I say that? I didn’t. It’s you being the partisan. I simply gave you a BIG reason why the debt tripled under Reagan. Now you can either challenge the veracity of MY assertion or shut up and stop strawmanning my argument. I didn’t mention “congress” and “Republican” anywhere in my post. I was talking about the executive. Republicans do have a good record of exploding the debt even when they control the white house and both houses of congress. This is not an opinion, it’s a fact. Are you inferring they don’t? I never inferred that Democrats don’t crate deficits. All you need to do is look at OMB data. I am disabusing the false myth that Republicans have fiscal discipline.

Bad news. The DEMOCRATS controlling Congress (and hence, spending) made it a point to nullify the increases in the public coffers that resulted from the tax cuts, by increasing their spending at an even higher rate. But don’t let the math bother you, Gasket……………you can tell us that it was not Reagan, but Jimmy Carter’s financial “insight” that overcame Jimmy Carter’s double-digit inflation, double-digit interest rates, and double-digit unemployment. But I gotta warn ya’, you’ll look really silly if you do.

Oh, now it’s the Democrat’s (and the favorite conservative punching bag — Carter’s) fault for Reagan’s deficits and exploding debt? How predictable! You can not run away with your record. Let’s break down congress by year during Reagan’s administration. The Democrats controlled the US house all through Reagan’s administration. However, the Republicans, the sitting President’s party — controlled the US Senate from 1981-1987. Let’s look at that OMB chart I linked to earlier. 10 out of the 11 tax increases occurred during that time frame. Now, unless we had super Democrats in the 80′s, there is NO way they would have forced the US Senate to vote for something said Senate Republicans (+ Republican President) did not endorse. You, my friend are a pathological liar for pinning that on the Democrats. They controlled both houses in the latter congress of his admin. Let’s look at the federal deficits now, shall we? http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2009/pdf/hist.pdf (pg. 127)
That’s right, deficits during same period. Republicans are no better at “fiscal discipline” than the Dems are.

Now go ahead and make up more shit.

M Colins said:
It’s always amusing how Lefties turn into lawyers. Truly doublespeak worthy of Bill Clinton. Gee, I guess that from a certain perspective what Publius said was factual even if he mischaracterized those facts to create an incorrect impression.

No, you called him out for lying and I am calling you out for being a spinmeister.

If I am to follow your logic Reagan cut taxes and deficits grew so therefore lowered taxes are the culprit. Well if revenue to the treasury doubled with lower taxes what part of the equation is amiss? Spending. Every Reagan budget that cut spending was rejected by Congress.

You are deflecting blame from Reagan like he was some sort of messianic victim of circumstances. He was President and did not watch his budgets. He signed the flawed budgets that exploded the debt. The buck stops with him. Spin..spin all you want, it doesn’t change that conclusion.

Btw Publius didnt say the US was one of the lowest of 30 or more countries who sold military hardware to Saddam. He said “Reagan armed Saddam”. I think the sophistry is coming from you. He also neglected to include that terms with Saddam were more or less amicable during the Iraq/Iran War. Hi statement is calculated to give the impression that Reagan unilaterally armed a madman who we ended up having to declare war upon. Fail.

No sophistry from Publius. He is factually correct (US policy armed Iraq) although he was being hyperbolic. It is you who is being duplicitous with semantics by cherry picking “facts.”

You attempt the same silliness with ” Let’s not forget the whole Iran-Contra stuff. Facts are facts, dude.” Yeah facts are facts alright. But clearly incomplete facts appear to be your and Publius’ favorite kind.

The usual “left did this..blah..blah..” whining. Grow a spine and quit bitching like a little girl.

X-3 said:

Where were the calls for civility when Clyburn was calling Palin stupid?

She is…but I don’t recall Clyburn saying Palin was “stupid” as you put it. Or are you just lying…again like your friends do all the time?

ganymede said:
Aside from the committed dittoheads, most people can’t stand this guy (Rush) and Beck isn’t much different. Despite the numbers, most people don’t listen or watch these people.

Gany, if you’d try to use better form including paragraphs, maybe you could organize your thoughts better than that. “Despite the numbers”??………….cummon, even a Liberal can be smarter than THAT.

ganymede said:
And the accusation that liberal/left/progressive people are anti-American is farcical. We are certainly not as arrogant and intolerant as the right and many of us don’t believe in American exceptionalism – we’re no better than foreigners but we’re no less patriotic, and we are exteremely appreciative of the wonderful things that America is about and the fantastic contributions we’ve made to world culture

Looks like you’re TRYING to think, gany…………..you’re just not very good at it. Read what you just wrote. Believing in American exceptionalism kinda goes hand-in-hand with being patriotic, don-cha think?

Why would it bother you to accept America’s exceptionalism? Think of our liberty, charity, prosperity, and humanity toward people of other nations. What other nation throughout history ever defeated other nations to stop their evil leader(s), then rebuilt those nations and returned both assets and power back to the citizens of those countries? What nation feeds more foreign countries or supplies more medical needs abroad than America does? What nation shares more technology to an ever-changing world? What other nation established, funded, and donated land and buildings to house the United Nations for the purpose of insuring world peace through dialogue between nations…………………….and continues to do so even when the UN itself has become an enemy to America.

Gany, you need to get out more. You need to stop getting your definitions of Conservatism and patriotism from the anti-American Left who have zero tolerance for patriotism, opposing opinion, or freedom of choice, unless that choice is to be as immorally disgusting as imaginable. Look around you and tell me what other nation you think is better than ours, or even our equal.

Finally, Rush hasn’t “infected a lot of people on the right.” He is the most popular radio host in history because he reflects the hearts and minds of the vast majority of Americans who had no voice against the monopoly in broadcasting previously held by the anti-American Left.

Limbaugh is absolutely right. If the media were really interested in civil political discourse, they would call out both the Left and Right. But since the left-tilting press only looks at isolated instances on the Right, while completely ignoring the countless examples on the Left, it is clear that the real goal is to silence and intimidate the conservative movement, and if possible impose speech codes that would allow them to censor people like Rush Limbaugh. You would have to be hopelessly naive not to understand this.

felixw said:
Limbaugh is absolutely right. If the media were really interested in civil political discourse, they would call out both the Left and Right. But since the left-tilting press only looks at isolated instances on the Right, while completely ignoring the countless examples on the Left, it is clear that the real goal is to silence and intimidate the conservative movement, and if possible impose speech codes that would allow them to censor people like Rush Limbaugh. You would have to be hopelessly naive not to understand this.

Limbaugh is a sociopath and so are you. Big baby.

Gasket said:
Now you can either challenge the veracity of MY assertion or shut up and stop strawmanning my argument. I didn’t mention “congress” and “Republican” anywhere in my post. I was talking about the executive.

Looks like you Liberals are telling others to “shut-up” a lot lately. But get used to it……………Conservatives are on the rise and the anti-American Left isn’t getting to keep your previous double-standards and one-way streets.

So, you say you only want to discuss the “executive” branch of Reagan’s administration pertaining to the deficit? Well, that’s not gonna happen, because the House of Representatives provides the budget, and Democrats increased the spending as I stated earlier. That you find that inconvenient is just a hardship you’ll have to endure. The “executive” doesn’t control the deficit, as you’d like to misconstrue, especially a Republican executive trying to work with a Democrat House to repair the devastation brought by Carter’s malfeasance with the double-digits I mentioned above.

Reagan did make a mistake, however. He made the same mistake Republican continue to make to this very day……………………he trusted Democrats to keep their word. Concessions he made to Democrats were “rewarded” with the Democrats breaking their agreement to curb the spending.

I wonder if anyone else has noticed that Limbaugh has a bulbous forehead and either his head is shrinking or his teeth are getting bigger. Anybody else notice that about lard ass?

How many think that Limabaugh will dump wife number three within the next 6 months and take up with Elton John or Gordon Bloyer?

BarneyFranken said:
There was plenty of need for the call of civility during W. Bush’s years in office.

On the the Cheney thread this morning with just a few comments we saw some of that civility on full display.

SarahP. said:
Limbaugh is a sociopath and so are you. Big baby.

Request to Mediaite: What do we need to do to move to moderated comments? Getting rid of the spammers and trolls would improve the credibility of your site and enhance the quality of dialogue. I’ve seen other sites do this, and the abusive people just disappear over night, and a more intelligent, civil discussion is fostered immediately. Can we do this here? Do we need a petition?

I used to listen to Rush years ago, but the guy wears on ya. Still I love it how he gets the Progressives all worked up and frothing at the mouth. till they want to kill him. He kind of reminds of a stupid kid thats always riding a skateboard up and down the sidewalk making noise wile your trying to take a nap. Then the kid jabs a stick at the neighbors dog thats barking all the time. Till it goes bazerk and launches over the fence and rips the kids face off. Then they take the dog to the vet and have it put down. Then the neighborhood is nice and quite again. Thats kind of how I see this whole thing going ..LOL

Davo said:
Here’s an idea guaranteed to produce civility. How ’bout we make it illegal for Liberals to speak. If Liberals aren’t allowed to spew anti-American propaganda, then there will be no need for Hannity, Rush, Palin, of FNC. Rush thought not allowing Liberals to own guns is also a good idea, given Liberals’ penchant for violence against those with whom they disagree. Yeah. This idea has some great possibilities for America. Now Pubes, THIS is some satire………………………………………….maybe.

That wasn’t bad, davo. No need for a satire alert, that is always a given. Oh Rush and I go way back, mega dittos, buddie. He does his job getting the shivering cowboys out from under their beds. And all the FNC folks do a good job with that. But by far the best is Beck. He even has all the scared nasty boys attending school.

Without incivility Rush Limbaugh would not have anything to say at all.

Davo said:
Ya’ gotta understand Liberals, M. They don’t actually think. They simply repeat whatever their “thinkers” tell them to repeat

Says the tool who hasn’t heard a Rush or Beck inspired talking point that he wasn’t willing to spew as fact. Spare us DAVO, we know you and Rush love America, you just both hate half of the people in it.

felixw said:
Request to Mediaite: What do we need to do to move to moderated comments? Getting rid of the spammers and trolls would improve the credibility of your site and enhance the quality of dialogue

So let’s see, you’re advocating CENSORSHIP in an article about Rush whining about censorship? Oh the irony.

BTW, no one’s yanking Rush off the year. He and Sarah and their pals can spew whatever they want but FREE SPEECH also means holding people accountable for what they say. In other words, Rush doesn’t want to be held accountable. He might have to stop yanking talking points out of his ass and be held accountable for his facts. As a fake conservative, the last thing Rush wants is to be held accountable.

*off the air.

Of course, Rush objects to being civil because that is simply not his style. The hypocrite and liar thinks he is always right. No matter that he has been demonstrated multiple times to be wrong and knowingly wrong. That also makes him a liar. The sooner this fat fool falls into the trash heap of history, the better the human race will be come.

He’s Right.
If you think not, then all you need to do is checkout what happened in Canada with the “Bill of Rights” and other crap, like “The Fairness Doctrine”.
It is things like this that will stifle America as a Superpower, from a fiscal manner, its freedom of speech as well as religion in this Country.

There is a balance we both right and left need to walk and that is,
“You have the right to choose, but what you choose doesn’t make it right”

Everything we do, every word we utter, they all have consequences and we need to learn from and cherish the history so we don’t repeat our mistakes “all in the name of progress”
If anyone advocates violence as a means of change (Unless they’re are others that on an unscrupulous level have inflicted violence and try to force their rule with violence) they should have their rights, taken away for the good of others.

On the flipside, everyone should have the means to bear arms, defend themselves, and take up arms against a government or people that tries to impose it’s will in a tyrannical nature.

Gasket said:
No, you called him out for lying and I am calling you out for being a spinmeister.

You are deflecting blame from Reagan like he was some sort of messianic victim of circumstances. He was President and did not watch his budgets. He signed the flawed budgets that exploded the debt. The buck stops with him. Spin..spin all you want, it doesn’t change that conclusion.

No sophistry from Publius. He is factually correct (US policy armed Iraq) although he was being hyperbolic. It is you who is being duplicitous with semantics by cherry picking “facts.”

The usual “left did this..blah..blah..” whining. Grow a spine and quit bitching like a little girl.

More of the same silliness. Your defense of statements which ignore context to create an opposite impression of reality should probably not surprise. You simply compound the deception which is my overall point to begin with. Nice touch with the blah blah blah and little girl stuff. Yeah you are too cool to care, we get it internet hero.

Rush is paid to be controversial especially to those on the left. If he became civil he wouldn’t have a show. He is a performer that all he is. Either you hate him or you love him. Where it becomes dangerous is when people feed on that controversy he spews out.

Why would any one listen to this drug addict and felon!?

Gasket said:
She is…but I don’t recall Clyburn saying Palin was “stupid” as you put it. Or are you just lying…again like your friends do all the time?

“She’s pretty but she just doesn’t get it” sounds an awfully lot like saying she’s stupid. Synonyms mean things.

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