Stopping Countdown with Keith Olbermann would also be a practical issue. Ahhh, what the heck, “Joanie Loves Chachi” lasted two seasons so why not let Countdown continue. It’s at least as funny as that show was.

that’s good..you let your hatred for keith olbermann be so much that you can’t even comment on what an asshole this religious nutjob is
even for something so vile to put our troops in danger and possibly killed you will side against olbermann on this
great, that’s just fucking great
the blood will be on terry jones’s hands and those who stick up for him and he knows it

If you want to know why some islamic extremist Terrorists want to destroy America, you only need to look to Christian extremists such as Terry Jones.

He is playing EXACTLY into OBL’s plans and giving ammo to those who hate us. America is supposed to be the land of the free, not the land of intolerant book-burning haters.

That’s the Taliban. That is NOT us.

There is no “intention” no matter what the “Dove World Outreach Center” claims that calls for a book burning.

What is this, the dark ages?

I call on all Republicans to denounce this kind of behavior.

A Taliban like hatred for the pluralism that has long been one of our special strengths… Thank God that most Americans disagree with this brand of sickness…

I wonder if Olbermann’s continous incitement that George W Bush was sending American troops to fight an ” illegal war ” and killing innocent Iraqis, helped in our war with Al Qaeda in Iraq ?

ChiliPeppersFan said:
that’s good..you let your hatred for keith olbermann be so much that you can’t even comment on what an asshole this religious nutjob is

I don’t hate Keith Olbermann, I see him as pathetic, as do many – even many liberals.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
even for something so vile to put our troops in danger and possibly killed you will side against olbermann on this
great, that’s just fucking great

I didn’t comment on siding with or against Olby on this. I’d prefer that this Koran burning didn’t take place because it won’t help anything. But, if you don’t think that our troops are already in grave danger every day then it is you who are fooling yourself. Some ding dong from an outreach center burning books will have no impact on that. Do you think terrorists like us now?

Wait! Wait! Wait!

So I see Bible burning videos on youtube and I’m told it’s free speech.

When I see an American Flag burning I’m told it’s free speech.

When a group of people protest against a mosque in NYC they are told, freedom to build you’re feelings be damned.

Now because a bunch of ya-hoos want want to burn a Koran on Sept. 11 it’s, “oh! don’t do that! You’ll hurt somebody’s feelings

If people have the freedom to burn the Bible, they have the freedom to burn a Koran. If people over in the mid-east have a problem then their problem is with these ya-hoos. Grow up kiddies.

had to make sure when i said religious nutjob i was refering to this one and not any of the others like the one who hates homosexuals and who beck supports
but that is no surprise given that said this on his radio show
“The only [Katrina victims] we’re seeing on television are the scumbags.” –”The Glenn Beck Program,” Sept. 9, 2005

yeah, i know, why bring up beck…i like to spread my contempt around a little bit

If people can burn a US flag in the face of a combat veteran, these people should be able to burn their koran.

i see where you’re coming from…it doesn’t really matter that a 4 star general says that this is putting american troops in danger, as long as people can burn the bible you don’t really care

I think the jihadists hate us with a vengeance 24/7. I don’t think this would rile them up more or not doing it would cause them to do less. That being said, I wish he would not do it because it is a poor example of Christianity and is disrespectful to many peaceful Muslims.

puck30 said:
If people have the freedom to burn the Bible, they have the freedom to burn a Koran.

When was it that people held a mass Bible burning?

Olbermann wasn’t complaining when Ed Schultz wanted to burn down the MSNBC building

ChiliPeppersFan said:
“The only [Katrina victims] we’re seeing on television are the scumbags.” –”The Glenn Beck Program,” Sept. 9, 2005
yeah, i know, why bring up beck…i like to spread my contempt around a little bit

GlennBeckreview will be so jealous

More Liberty said:
these people should be able to burn their koran.

Why do they have a Koran if they’re such good christians ?

of course terrorist don’t like us right now but it’s things like this and that fuck up abu ghraib that takes young kids and emboldens what they are being taught and because of that mindset, i believe it will encourage them to do something different
obviously, don’t believe you are in favor of this…i don’t think any sane thinking person would say they are

Things like this certainly don’t help, and Jones should have more common sense, but at the same time, I get the feeling that there isn’t ANYTHING that would get the radical Islamists to back off except agreeing to allow Sharia to become the dominant law of the land in the west.

This is more of a complex issue than anyone is stating in the media. We as Americans are preaching to other Americans not to judge a whole group of people based on a few crazies. Yet we are fearful because we believed Muslims will judge Americans as a whole due to a few crazies of our own. Anyone willing to attack our country will attack our country no matter what we try to do to please their people.

Keith Olbermann is like a broken calendar. He is correct once a year, if that.

He could have had a truly GREAT interview with the Staff Sergeant, but instead couldn’t resist making it all about himself & his politics.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
“The only [Katrina victims] we’re seeing on television are the scumbags.” –”The Glenn Beck Program,” Sept. 9, 2005

As you closed by saying, w-a-a-a-a-a-y off topic with this one. Was this from Media Matters or the Daily Kos? When Beck said this, he was referring to the fact that the media showed more looters and vandals than it did anything else. I don’t think it’s too far out of line to call someone smashing a storefront window so they can enter and steal a scumbag. Of course, all Media Matters (Olby’s favorite guests next to Ariana Huffington) prints is one quote and ignores the context.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Yet we are fearful because we believed Muslims will judge Americans as a whole due to a few crazies of our own.

Do you mean like the RWers judge the whole Muslim nation for what 19 Muslims did on 9/11?

i’m just
i agree that the seriously crazy bastards will attack us no matter what, but to the younger maybe uneducated population are told that america is bad and the only reports they see is that americans hate your religion and are coming to get you and take away the only thing you believe in, your god allah, it might push them into a more dangerous hatred that they might act upon

the real john t said:
Do you mean like the RWers judge the whole Muslim nation for what 19 Muslims did on 9/11?

Yes but America’s image to the Muslim world was damage many decades ago due to the fact America could not mind their own business I doubt if their is much we can do to change that image.

I saw this episode. And for once I agree with Olbermann, that burning the Koran is not a constructive activity. However, when he started attacking Sarah Palin and other Republicans for this, my mouth dropped. There is no host on TV with a more tenuous grasp on reality.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Yes but America’s image to the Muslim world was damage many decades ago due to the fact America could not mind their own business

I totally agree.

Almost every conservative blog , commentator , radio hosts like Sean Hannity today , have condemned this action by Terry Jones .

andy
yes it was of topic and yes it was media matters…he was talking about people trying to get the atm cards and called the people who didn’t get out were scubags

http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=politicalhumor&cdn=entertainment&tm=8&f=00&su=p504.3.336.ip_&tt=2&bt=0&bts=0&zu=http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200509090003

the real john t said:
When was it that people held a mass Bible burning?

Here you go apx. 3000 take your pick…

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bible+burning&aq=f

So we are supposed to be okay with the building of a Mosque on Ground Zero because it’s their right to do so, but the Koran burning is not okay even though they have the right to do so. I just wanted to make sure I got that right.

The pastor is a nutjob.

And the pastor has the right to burn any freakin’ book he wants.

Did Olbermann “take aim” at the Wikileaks documents that also endangered US troops? Nope, didn’t think so.

And if the blustering, idiot Olbermann thinks that the Tea Party protests against the Ground Zero mosque will cause violence – doesn’t that also mean by his logic above, the builders of the mosque should cease?

See all I have to do is threaten violence and your rightful actions should desist. Gee that was easy.

From cartoons to TV shows to now books, we have been threatened with violence by Islamic nutjobs for expressing our opinions. That’s it, our opinions. They have beheaded innocent people because of this. When will Olbermann take aim at that?

“So we are supposed to be okay with the building of a Mosque on Ground Zero because it’s their right to do so, but the Koran burning is not okay even though they have the right to do so. I just wanted to make sure I got that right.”

Rather simplistic. Building, not a mosque, not on ground zero (a little honesty please) is their right not to mention that they have done nothing wrong but only share a religion with those that did. We are not at war with Islam. Or do you feel that GW Bush was wrong about that? Those that want to burn the Koran certainly have every right to do so. The question is whether one cares about placing out troops and civilians in danger. For these so called Christians it appears so far that they don’t.

But there’s hope. They’re still praying on it. We’ll just have to wait and see if they continue to listen to their egos or if they are able to hear that still small Voice.

More Liberty said:
If people can burn a US flag in the face of a combat veteran, these people should be able to burn their koran.

“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth” gums the eyeless, toothless Christian true believer to the eyeless, toothless Muslim true believer. “Kill all non believers” the Muslim blindly replies.

Who knows, perhaps you’re right. If we can convince the Muslims that we are bat shit crazier than they are, we will achieve some sort of mutually assured destruction detente.

ok, we all agree that Koran-burning is NOT a helpful activity.

having established that, tho, I think many of us out here in bitter-clingerland are getting tired to always having to bow to the sensibilities of people who never bow to ours.

I’m just sayin’.

btw Ellen? “a little honesty” compels me to tell you that the person who first referred to this project as “The Ground Zero Mosque” was none other than your old friend and mine, Imam Rauf.

shootfromthehip says:
September 7, 2010 at 9:25 pm (Quote)
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“If you want to know why some islamic extremist Terrorists want to destroy America, you only need to look to Christian extremists such as Terry Jones.”

Yeah, they hate us because of one guy in FL out of hundreds of millions. Stop being a douche bag. They hated us before this guy & they’ll hate us after. See, we live in a free country where women can attend school, be elected to office, etc. We allow people of all faiths to worship freely. Anybody, regardless of sex or race, can prosper. That’s why they hate us numbnuts.

“The question is whether one cares about placing out troops and civilians in danger. For these so called Christians it appears so far that they don’t. ”

—Great, so what are we supposed to do? Become a Muslim nation to protect our troops? You can’t fight for freedom abroad while denying it at home!

Our troops are not fighting to see America turned into an Islamic state! Fuck Muslim sensibilities, this is America, this is the land of South Park, hardcore porn, beer hats, bacon and lard, drive-thru weddings in Vegas, etc, etc, etc. So don’t you dare tell me that I can burn a koran.

By the way, this is the country where: “a small plastic crucifix submerged in a glass of the artist’s urine…received $15,000 for the work, part of it from the taxpayer-funded National Endowment for the Arts.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

Ok? So if my tax dollars can fund an anti-Christian piece of “art,” I have no problem with private Christians using private dollars to purchase korans just to burn them. Seriously, I’m sick of the pro-Muslim double standard. This is a FREE country first.

Don’t these people have first amendment rights, no matter how offensive, just as those who want to build the mosque,? How about a little consistency.

Keith olbermann spews more hate than any idiotic pastor. While both are legal, both are harmful to the country

Heard the following quote last week and it best sums up my feeling of this behavior.

For books are not absolutely dead things, but… do preserve as in a vial the purest efficacy and extraction of that living intellect that bred them. I know they are as lively, and as vigorously productive, as those fabulous Dragon’s teeth; and being sown up and down, may chance to spring up armed men. And yet on the other hand unless warriors be used, as good almost kill a Man a good Book; who kills a man kills a reasonable creature, God’s image; but he who destroys a good book, kills Reason itself, kills the Image of God, as it were in the eye. Many a man lives a burden to the Earth; but a good Book is the precious life-blood of a master-spirit, embalmed and treasured up on purpose to a life beyond life.
John Milton
Areopagitica

“btw Ellen? “a little honesty” compels me to tell you that the person who first referred to this project as “The Ground Zero Mosque” was none other than your old friend and mine, Imam Rauf”

It’s been well established that it is a community center which has a small mosque within and it’s 2-1/2 blocks from GZ. What difference does it make who said it first? It’s incorrect.

“—Great, so what are we supposed to do? Become a Muslim nation to protect our troops?”

Rather silly. Not burning Korans is a far cry from becoming a Muslim nation. We really can’t decry intolerant and violent behavior in the name of religion while doing the same thing ourselves. It makes us look hypocritically foolish. And certainly very unlike Christ. So what’s the point?

“Don’t these people have first amendment rights, no matter how offensive, just as those who want to build the mosque,? How about a little consistency.”

Of course they do. And they will live with the consequences of their actions as all of us do.

“Rather silly. Not burning Korans is a far cry from becoming a Muslim nation.”

—It’s a first step. If it was a group of atheists wanting to burn down bibles do you think Hillary Clinton would be whining about it? Do you think Petraeus would say a peep? Right now all they’re doing is showing how scared they are of offending Muslims!

” We really can’t decry intolerant and violent behavior in the name of religion while doing the same thing ourselves. It makes us look hypocritically foolish. And certainly very unlike Christ. So what’s the point?”

—Christ had no trouble taking out a whip and beating the crap out of the temple merchants. What do you think about that? Besides, I’m tired of always turning the other cheek. Muslims persecute Christians and Jews in the middle east, they persecute women, they persecute gays, Theo Van Gogh was killed because he made Fitna, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali had to leave Holland because the Muslims there wanted to kill her.

If Muslims react with violence after the Koran is burned, that will say much more about Muslims than it says about Christians. It will prove that Islam is not a religion of peace.

“Of course they do. And they will live with the consequences of their actions as all of us do.”

—I see, so Muslims aren’t responsible for their own actions. Isn’t that kinda like blaming a rape victim for wearing a miniskirt and being sexy?

No more excuses for Muslims! I did not see the Catholics rioting after South Park did an episode where the Virgin Mary squirts blood out of her vagina, so are you telling me I have to excuse Muslim violence every time they get offended?

Seriously, the madness has to end. Hopefully the pastor will burn the korans and the Muslims will realize they cannot intimidate the entire world into doing their will.

Staff sergent Todd Bowers,said Koran burning has lead to increased attacks.This is Y muslims have to learn tolerance,every time some one ridicules Islam makes fun of Islam,south Park there are threats of violence and acts of murder, Tho Van Gogh.What we need is to stand up not back down, may be in time they will learn to be tolerant.So don’t stop the cartons the documentaries and ridicule.We have to burn the hate out of them.

“—Christ had no trouble taking out a whip and beating the crap out of the temple merchants. ”

I was almost certain someone would come along to use Jesus to defending religious violence. I’m afraid I’ve stopped reading once I read this. You and I most certainly will not agree and I do not waste my time.

“I was almost certain someone would come along to use Jesus to defending religious violence. I’m afraid I’ve stopped reading once I read this. You and I most certainly will not agree and I do not waste my time.”

—So burning a book is violence? By the way, I found dozens of videos in youtube of people burning CHRISTIAN bibles.

Here’s one of Marilyn Manson burning the bible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCPSnaf3XSg&feature=related

Tell me, is he violent? I don’t see him killing anyone, do you?

I have news for you, our troops are fighting for freedom. Freedom means the right to do and say things that are offensive to others. If you don’t like freedom, buy yourself a burka and move to Saudi Arabia.

greg454 said:
I have news for you, our troops are fighting for freedom. Freedom means the right to do and say things that are offensive to others. If you don’t like freedom, buy yourself a burka and move to Saudi Arabia.

Of course freedom means the right to do and say things that are offense to others. Everyone also has the right to not care if their actions put others in danger. I just don’t find it at all Christian. But then any religion can say and do anything and find a way to justify it. That doesn’t make it moral or ethical. The rest of your post is just an attack …. much like I imagine you think Jesus would do.

Olbermann is an odd sort. I’m not sure he has an actual ideology of his own. What I mean is; He seems to only exist to counter various right wingers such as Limbaugh and O’reilly. As a libertarian I support the churches right to burn the Koran, but personally think it’s rather counter-productive. I also know that the administration and Olbermann are being stupid. How can this Koran burning be worse than our foreign policy over the last many years which kills millions of muslims world-wide? Oh and if a leftist burnt a Bible, Olbermann could care less. Just sayin.

And where are the Republicans?? They are silent!! They don’t care about the troops, they didn’t even give them the proper body armor and they cut their benefits. At least the Obama administration improved their benefits. “Four days, four weeks, I doubt it will last four months.” – Rumsfield

If leftie loons and foreign crazies have the right to burn the American flag, then some nutjob Pastor has the right to burn Korans.

While I don’t personally agree with burning either, they have a right to do it. Any you leftards that are complaining are nothing but hypocrites because you haters are always burning American flags. And I’m sorry some foreigners might get their little feelings hurt, but I know I can’t turn on the TV without seeing some man-dress flip-flop wearing middle-easterner burning an American flag on some no named middle-eastern street.

No where in the US Constitution does it say that you have the right not to be offended. The courts have ruled that burning the US flag is a form of free speech, so it is safe to assume that burning the Koran is as well.

You anti-liberty nut jobs….on both sides.

The faux outrage of the lefties over this issue is interesting to watch. I didn’t watch Olbermann, but I did watch Cooper last night. I ended up just shaking my head and laughing at Cooper.

Where were these idiot lefties during the Bush years when Newsweak published a fake story about flushing Koran’s down the toilet? They pushed the story as true, when it was not, even though that story specifically was tied to enemy actions against our troops.

This double standard is truly amusing to watch.

According to the left we are bigots if we don’t want the mosque built, we are bigots if the Koran gets burned, but we are patriots to burn the US flag and we embrace freedom of speech/freedom of religion when we believe that the “piss Chris” (cross in a glass of pee) project was “art”.

Let’s recall the whole argument over the mocking of Mohamad, and the threats against anyone who published such cartoons….the left was scared to death and wouldn’t run the cartoons.

Oh and, wasn’t it Keith Olbermann who turned the phrase: “General Betrayus”….he wasn’t so concerned about our troops who were in harms way when he coined and embraced that phrase.

Watching Anderson claim his undying support for our troops last night made me laugh out loud.

shootfromthehip said:
If you want to know why some islamic extremist Terrorists want to destroy America, you only need to look to Christian extremists such as Terry Jones.

He is playing EXACTLY into OBL’s plans and giving ammo to those who hate us. America is supposed to be the land of the free, not the land of intolerant book-burning haters.

That’s the Taliban. That is NOT us.

There is no “intention” no matter what the “Dove World Outreach Center” claims that calls for a book burning.

What is this, the dark ages?

I call on all Republicans to denounce this kind of behavior.

One would think Olbermann would devote a Special Comment supporting the Qur’an burning. After all, this is America, dammit.

shootfromthehip said:
If you want to know why some islamic extremist Terrorists want to destroy America, you only need to look to Christian extremists such as Terry Jones.

And you’ll find good reason to destroy America?!?

He is playing EXACTLY into OBL’s plans and giving ammo to those who hate us. America is supposed to be the land of the free, not the land of intolerant book-burning haters.

That’s the Taliban. That is NOT us.

No, genius. The Taliban would burn YOUR books, not their own. If I want to burn MY books, that’s not forcing anyone to submit to my beliefs.

There is no “intention” no matter what the “Dove World Outreach Center” claims that calls for a book burning.

Regardless of the merit of the intention, there is an intention. Terry Jones is a douchebag, no doubt. But make no mistake, you’re one too. Cut from the same cloth as Jones, matter of fact.

I like this one better.

TfT said:
Where were these idiot lefties during the Bush years when Newsweak published a fake story about flushing Koran’s down the toilet? They pushed the story as true, when it was not, even though that story specifically was tied to enemy actions against our troops.

Yeah, but those were George Bush’s troops, so that was OK. And Michael Isikoff is a good, reliable lefty, so no foul.

As much as I disdain Doberman,. He is right. Where are the Republicans? Since when is it Ok to burn books? Oh, I see, its a Christan that doing it. Oh those lovable Christians. don’t you just want to hug them….

Ellen Rowe said:
It’s been well established that it is a community center which has a small mosque within and it’s 2-1/2 blocks from GZ. What difference does it make who said it first? It’s incorrect.

Yeah, a small mosque that will accommodate 2000 worshipers for Friday prayers. It’s just slightly bigger than a broom closet.

Burnnotice said:
Since when is it Ok to burn books?

When you own them.

the real john t said:
When was it that people held a mass Bible burning?

Here you go, moron.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/09/07/129701680/koran-burning-has-whiff-of-2009-bible-burning

Try using Google before you open your mouth next time.

puck30 said:
Wait! Wait! Wait! So I see Bible burning videos on youtube and I’m told it’s free speech. When I see an American Flag burning I’m told it’s free speech. When a group of people protest against a mosque in NYC they are told, freedom to build you’re feelings be damned. Now because a bunch of ya-hoos want want to burn a Koran on Sept. 11 it’s, “oh! don’t do that! You’ll hurt somebody’s feelings If people have the freedom to burn the Bible, they have the freedom to burn a Koran. If people over in the mid-east have a problem then their problem is with these ya-hoos. Grow up kiddies.

Aren’t you the least bit concerned about our troops overseas? This burning by an idiot who probably never served his country will just incite more terrorists to attempt to do harm to our troops. As a veteran myself, I find this act indefensible!

murf said:
I wonder if Olbermann’s continous incitement that George W Bush was sending American troops to fight an ” illegal war ” and killing innocent Iraqis, helped in our war with Al Qaeda in Iraq ?

Thats a great point. Do you think any of the liberals will answer it………nah, they’ll just call you names.

Ellen Rowe said:
“btw Ellen? “a little honesty” compels me to tell you that the person who first referred to this project as “The Ground Zero Mosque” was none other than your old friend and mine, Imam Rauf” It’s been well established that it is a community center which has a small mosque within and it’s 2-1/2 blocks from GZ. What difference does it make who said it first? It’s incorrect.

For openers, it is not small, it is a 1,000 person capacity mosque on the top floor, overlooking the Ground Zero neighborhood. As far as who used the term first? It was the primary planner himself who called it that, so how can it be then incorrect to use his own description today?

puck30 said:
Wait! Wait! Wait!

So I see Bible burning videos on youtube and I’m told it’s free speech.

When I see an American Flag burning I’m told it’s free speech.

When a group of people protest against a mosque in NYC they are told, freedom to build you’re feelings be damned.

Now because a bunch of ya-hoos want want to burn a Koran on Sept. 11 it’s, “oh! don’t do that! You’ll hurt somebody’s feelings

If people have the freedom to burn the Bible, they have the freedom to burn a Koran. If people over in the mid-east have a problem then their problem is with these ya-hoos. Grow up kiddies.

I love the wilfully blind/ignorant/argumentative….

You’ve changed direction there….people have the right to protest the mosque and people have the right to build the “building” that will hold the mosque. All those people that Keith mentioned agreed with this statement; but questioned the wisdom of the decision to build this mosque. Fair enough ~ they have the right to incite…I mean say so. BUT now that someone has the right to burn a Koran; that self same bunch of right wing ‘folks’ don’t have come out and say “Sure this man has the right to burn this Koran ~ but should he? Is it the ethical sensible thing to do? Maybe he should consider the feelings of others.

These same people were all worried about the feelings of the people after 9/11 (many of whom support this mosque) but that same concern is lacking now. A wee bit on the hypocritical side if you ask me…but then since Obama was elected, Hypocrisy is the Rightwing’s middle name.

If Olbermann and his other peers are so concerned about how this burning is going to be perceived, and it will be so dangerous to our troops, why would they give the story any airtime at all? Doesn’t broadcasting the offense fan the flames of hatred? It is telling that the mosque should be allowed at Ground Zero based on Fist Amendment rights, yet now they want to get upset at this idiot church exercising their own First Amendment rights.

* don’t have should be “won’t”

Putting Keith “Tokyo Rose” Olbermann aside for a minute. I guess they have a “right” to burn the Koran. But why do it? What will it prove? And people have a “right” to be against burning the Koran. But the same people defending the Mosk (LIKE OLBERMANN) are against burning the Koran. Even both have a “right” to do it. So it comes back to what alot of people having been saying. Even if you have a right to do something it doesnt make it wise to do it.

Sandy Visentin said:
I mean say so. BUT now that someone has the right to burn a Koran; that self same bunch of right wing ‘folks’ don’t have come out and say “Sure this man has the right to burn this Koran ~ but should he? Is it the ethical sensible thing to do? Maybe he should consider the feelings of others.

These same people were all worried about the feelings of the people after 9/11 (many of whom support this mosque) but that same concern is lacking now.

Clearly, you’re not paying attention. Name one person on the right who says Jones has a great idea and he ought to go right ahead.

MartiniShark said:
If Olbermann and his other peers are so concerned about how this burning is going to be perceived, and it will be so dangerous to our troops, why would they give the story any airtime at all? Doesn’t broadcasting the offense fan the flames of hatred? It is telling that the mosque should be allowed at Ground Zero based on Fist Amendment rights, yet now they want to get upset at this idiot church exercising their own First Amendment rights.

I know that it was a rhetorical question but I will answer it anyway. Its because Olbermann is an idiot.

Noone says that! You aren’t paying attention. Keith was wondering why noone on the right will come out and say publicly that this is a badly thought out idea (at best), just like they did about the mosque. I read and pay attention very well thank you.

“Aren’t you the least bit concerned about our troops overseas?”

—So you’re going to let Muslim extremists dictate our every move?

“This burning by an idiot who probably never served his country will just incite more terrorists to attempt to do harm to our troops”

—And what did we do to incite 9/11? I’m sick and tired of America always being at fault. Did you see that magazine cover of a Muslim woman without a nose? The things Muslims do are the ones that should be inciting violence, yet we’re so used to them being outrageous that instead of attackign their culture, we attack each other.

“This burning by an idiot who probably never served his country ”

—He’s not an idiot, he’s an American and that to me makes him superior to the sensibilities of any towelhead in Afghanistan. He’s also the man that pays the taxes that pay Petraeus salary. By the way, Obama has never served his country either, so don’t give me this bullshit that you’re a less valuable human being if you haven’t served in the military. I don’t remember George Washington saying that.

If the quran burning doesn’t go on then freedom has lost and the war is pointless. The quran must be burned, freedom must prevail, and I hope our troops kill plenty of Islamic radicals in the process. Stop bending over for the terrorist! They’re going to recruit no matter what we do!

Sandy Visentin said:
Noone says that! You aren’t paying attention. Keith was wondering why noone on the right will come out and say publicly that this is a badly thought out idea (at best), just like they did about the mosque. I read and pay attention very well thank you.

That was for my friend Pablo.

the general says that the burning – would put his troops in DANGER – - – Aren’t they NOW?

I guess the concern is that it could make it worse…sometimes it really is difficult to like freedom of speech, but it’s something so many in other countries would love to have. Sometimes a blighted treasure I think.

greg454 said:
“Aren’t you the least bit concerned about our troops overseas?” —So you’re going to let Muslim extremists dictate our every move? “This burning by an idiot who probably never served his country will just incite more terrorists to attempt to do harm to our troops” —And what did we do to incite 9/11? I’m sick and tired of America always being at fault. Did you see that magazine cover of a Muslim woman without a nose? The things Muslims do are the ones that should be inciting violence, yet we’re so used to them being outrageous that instead of attackign their culture, we attack each other. “This burning by an idiot who probably never served his country ” —He’s not an idiot, he’s an American and that to me makes him superior to the sensibilities of any towelhead in Afghanistan. He’s also the man that pays the taxes that pay Petraeus salary. By the way, Obama has never served his country either, so don’t give me this bullshit that you’re a less valuable human being if you haven’t served in the military. I don’t remember George Washington saying that. If the quran burning doesn’t go on then freedom has lost and the war is pointless. The quran must be burned, freedom must prevail, and I hope our troops kill plenty of Islamic radicals in the process. Stop bending over for the terrorist! They’re going to recruit no matter what we do!

Again, I say to you, have you no concern about the troops overseas, and what the burning of the Quran might do to incite terrorists to more and more violence? Sitting on the sideline, it is easy for you to say “let extremists our every move.”

The term “towelhead” makes you less of an American because you resort to name-calling. You also assume that all Muslims in Afghanistan are lower human beings, not just the terrorists.

The fact that you say the “pastor” in Florida is not an idiot speaks volumes about you.

I never said one was a less valuable human being for not serving in Vietnam. And your lovely term, bulls%$t has nothing to do with my commentary.

As for what George Washington did or did not say, I am sure you are aware that we did not have television, radio or the Internet back in his day. So we cannot even begin to know what he said — or didn’t say.

The burning of a Quran by some character in Florida has nothing to do with freedom being lost here. (That really makes no sense.) It has a lot to do with American lives over there.

I wonder what the ACLU’s view on this would be?

disgusted said:
the general says that the burning – would put his troops in DANGER – – – Aren’t they NOW?

Your comment is easy to say from an armchair. So you think it is all right to put them in more danger — which this definitely will!

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/qfdcdqpcty–Is-There-Any-Other-KindTom-Cruise-Jack-Nicholson-Col-Nathan-R-Jessep-Lt-Daniel-Kaffee-

Regardless of anyones thoughts, this is a very difficult issues. If your peeing on the bible, burning the flag, protesting troop funerals or burning the Koran, it is going to offend people. But there is no where in the US Constitution that says you can’t offend people with your speech.

The Mosque has a right to be in Lower Manhattan. People have a right to protest it. People have the right to burn the US flag, and people have the right to protest that. That artist years ago had the right to put the cross in a bucket of urine, and people had the right to protest that. This pastor has the right to burn the Koran, and people have the right to protest it.

Sandy Visentin said:
Keith was wondering why noone on the right will come out and say publicly that this is a badly thought out idea (at best), just like they did about the mosque. I read and pay attention very well thank you.

If you did, you would have noticed puck doing exactly that when you quoted him. What did you think he meant when he said “…a bunch of ya-hoos want to burn a Koran…”

Do you ever look at Hot Air? How about Jonah Goldberg? WSJ?

Just what is it you’re paying attention to that permits you to make a statement that’s just plain wrong?

Burning the Koran, though legal, yes, is counter-productive. But can’t we admit that the reason not to do it is much more whacked? We don’t burn copies of your holy book, you don’t KILL us? How does that formula work for you? I admit that harm would most likely come to Westerners overseas, but they don’t really need a reason to want to kill us, they’re itching to step up to the plate. Doesn’t this reaction bother anyone? Doesn’t the fact that we are so super conscious of the sensitivities to those intolerant of all Western culture and religion sound right to you? Because we’re better than that? Apparently not to Mr. Timsah: “our foreign policy over the last many years…kills millions of muslims world-wide.” Oh Jehovah, spare me, sir. Did you pull that number out of the skies with the stars? If I was a muslim in Yemen or somewhere, where they protest this Koran burning by burning an image of the pastor and THE AMERICAN FLAG!!!, I would say, wow, not only is Europe becoming my bitch, but the Great Satan itself is too. (Read America Alone by Mark Steyn.) Olby only wants Repubs to condemn it, because if they don’t, he can blame any aftermath on them. Spare me the false outrage when you never gave two $hits about anyone’s relgion, other than to mock them for it.

alamo2 said:
< The burning of a Quran by some character in Florida has nothing to do with freedom being lost here. (That really makes no sense.) It has a lot to do with American lives over there.

Yes, I believe it does.
Personnally I don’t think he should do this. I don’t know what purpose this will serve. Saying that, does he have the right to do it ?certainly. The Constitution protects Rights, and sometimes assholes.
Just like the Mosque debate, taking their right to build it would paly into radical hands, taking this guy’s right away does the same thing.

Tony the Fist said:
Burning the Koran, though legal, yes, is counter-productive. But can’t we admit that the reason not to do it is much more whacked? We don’t burn copies of your holy book, you don’t KILL us?

I agree with you. To be honest, I don’t think this pastor should burn the Koran, just as I believe that people shouldn’t burn the flag. But fear is not the reason for my disagreement. My disagreement is a personal individual thought, not out of fear that crazies will attack. And I sure as heck don’t believe that the government should be telling an individual what he can/can’t do regarding free expression.

MartiniShark said:
If Olbermann and his other peers are so concerned about how this burning is going to be perceived, and it will be so dangerous to our troops, why would they give the story any airtime at all? Doesn’t broadcasting the offense fan the flames of hatred? It is telling that the mosque should be allowed at Ground Zero based on Fist Amendment rights, yet now they want to get upset at this idiot church exercising their own First Amendment rights.

Thank You MS for getting to the heart of the matter. If you want BAD BEHAVIOR to stop, what do you do? You ignore it.

Gen Petraeus shouldn’t have given it legs in the first place but since he did …. the media should have used the opportunity to throw a big fat wet rag on the whole stupid thing and it would have been over, Now this dipshit Jones has more attention than he ever could have hoped for (which is exactly what he wanted in the first place).

Hell, ABC’s World News had Terry Moron pimping this ‘story’ on a live feed leading off last nights broadcast. Really??? Petraeus says it’s gonna put our guys in harms way so you make it the TOP STORY? WTF???

Couple that with them pimping HuffPo and you can make a pretty good guess what I have to say about Diane Sawyer and Co….

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murf said:
I wonder if Olbermann’s continous incitement that George W Bush was sending American troops to fight an ” illegal war ” and killing innocent Iraqis, helped in our war with Al Qaeda in Iraq ?

I believe we *all* know that nothing said or done will change the minds of the terrorists. But the mindset of the moderate peaceful muslims is the point.

“Again, I say to you, have you no concern about the troops overseas, and what the burning of the Quran might do to incite terrorists to more and more violence? Sitting on the sideline, it is easy for you to say “let extremists our every move.”

—If we have to sacrifice our freedoms for our troops overseas then maybe we should stop bragging about being a free country, give up and bring the troops home. It was Benjamin Franklin who said “those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.” By the way, I don’t remember FDR being afraid of offending the Nazis and the Japanese, do you? Seriously, how the hell can we fight a war when we’re afraid of offending the enemy? And yes, radical Islam is the enemy, violence is only justified in self-defense, it is not justified just because someone burned a book you think is holy.

puck30 said:
If people have the freedom to burn the Bible, they have the freedom to burn a Koran. If people over in the mid-east have a problem then their problem is with these ya-hoos. Grow up kiddies.

No one is arguing the point of freedom to do so, its whether or not it is a wise choice to do so.

Andy Lamb said:
But, if you don’t think that our troops are already in grave danger every day then it is you who are fooling yourself. Some ding dong from an outreach center burning books will have no impact on that. Do you think terrorists like us now?

Yes, we *all* know the troops are in danger everyday. Book burning or not. But possibly the ability to work with the peaceful muslims over there may be hampered by this really bad choice to burn their holy book here in the US.

StandUp said:
Olbermann wasn’t complaining when Ed Schultz wanted to burn down the MSNBC building

And how does that exactly have anything to do in relation to this topic?

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Yes but America’s image to the Muslim world was damage many decades ago due to the fact America could not mind their own business I doubt if their is much we can do to change that image.

That is a valid point, but burning their holy book certainly is not a step towards trying to change our image.

I think its time for Monty Python to reconstitute and make a move called the life of Mohammed.What do you think wold happen?

greg454 said:
—If we have to sacrifice our freedoms for our troops overseas then maybe we should stop bragging about being a free country, give up and bring the troops home. It was Benjamin Franklin who said “those who are willing to sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.” By the way, I don’t remember FDR being afraid of offending the Nazis and the Japanese, do you? Seriously, how the hell can we fight a war when we’re afraid of offending the enemy? And yes, radical Islam is the enemy, violence is only justified in self-defense, it is not justified just because someone burned a book you think is holy.

Again no one is arguing that they do not have the freedom to do so. I agree. Maybe we should stop bragging about being a free country. If we condone burning of another faiths holy book. Since this is the land of freedom of religion.

Olbermann didn’t condemn the Armenian genocide of 1915. Hence by his argument he supported it. Evil man! Genocide! Evil man! Worst person in the world!

(Did you like my Keith Olbermann impersonation?)

lonestar77 said:
Yeah, they hate us because of one guy in FL out of hundreds of millions. Stop being a douche bag. They hated us before this guy & they’ll hate us after. See, we live in a free country where women can attend school, be elected to office, etc. We allow people of all faiths to worship freely. Anybody, regardless of sex or race, can prosper. That’s why they hate us numbnuts.

One problem is he is not the only nutjob out of hundreds of millions. There are more. He just is the first to come out publicly announcing their intent to burn the koran. Quite possible that it can cause a domino effect and the other nutjobs around the country will hold koran burnings. Kind of like one group decided to hold a cross burning and then others said to themselves, hmmm good idea, lets do it too! and before you knew it blacks had a hard time trusting whites. (now of course I am aware there were other factors involved) Just an example. Course other examples aside from burning the koran, is not allowing them to build a community center, destroying other mosques around on our country, calling them towelheads, boycotting 7-11′s. I’m sure there is more.

Pablo said:
When you own them.

I know this is not burning them, but how bout those christians that wanted many books removed from libraries, because they were afraid they were sending the wrong message to our young? Where was the idea for freedom of choice in that issue?

Pablo said:
Clearly, you’re not paying attention. Name one person on the right who says Jones has a great idea and he ought to go right ahead.

Clearly your not paying attention. All you have to do is read the burning of the koran threads here in mediaite alone and see how many think it’s a great idea and they should go ahead and do so.

“Maybe we should stop bragging about being a free country. If we condone burning of another faiths holy book. Since this is the land of freedom of religion.”

—How does burning a book violate freedom of religion? Muslims aren’t being prohibiting from practicing their religion, as long as they don’t use violence, they can practice it anyway they want!

Besides, for some people burning a quran, burning the catcher and the rye, burning Mein Kampf, IS freedom of religion.

Either way, if the Muslims have no problem caring about our sensitivities when it comes to building a mosque two blocks from ground zero then I have no problem caring about their sensitivities when it comes to supporting the burning of a quran. In fact, Mayor Bloomberg himself is defending this burning as an exercise of free speech. Muslims deserve a taste of their own medicine.

MartiniShark said:
If Olbermann and his other peers are so concerned about how this burning is going to be perceived, and it will be so dangerous to our troops, why would they give the story any airtime at all? Doesn’t broadcasting the offense fan the flames of hatred? It is telling that the mosque should be allowed at Ground Zero based on Fist Amendment rights, yet now they want to get upset at this idiot church exercising their own First Amendment rights.

Didn’t Fox give airtime to the NBPP over their concern for danger to the voters? Did they not bring to light to many people that were not aware of this voter intimidation case? Was that coverage not flaming the fires of hatred? Wasn’t MSNBC condemned for not giving it airtime? Oh wait…..

greg454 said:
—How does burning a book violate freedom of religion? Muslims aren’t being prohibiting from practicing their religion, as long as they don’t use violence, they can practice it anyway they want!

Burning of the book does not violate freedom. A couple of examples of violations. Burning down mosques. There are cases. Attacking someone because they are muslim.

“I know this is not burning them, but how bout those christians that wanted many books removed from libraries, because they were afraid they were sending the wrong message to our young? Where was the idea for freedom of choice in that issue?” I see your point, but not the same thing, though this Koran demonstration is counter-productive. Monitoring what children are exposed to another issue. That’s like asking, why, if we’re a free country, there’s no porn at the local library. I’ll tell you why, MiddleRoader, because all the pages get stuck together. ;)

MiddleRoader said:
MartiniShark said:
If Olbermann and his other peers are so concerned about how this burning is going to be perceived, and it will be so dangerous to our troops, why would they give the story any airtime at all? Doesn’t broadcasting the offense fan the flames of hatred? It is telling that the mosque should be allowed at Ground Zero based on Fist Amendment rights, yet now they want to get upset at this idiot church exercising their own First Amendment rights.
Didn’t Fox give airtime to the NBPP over their concern for danger to the voters? Did they not bring to light to many people that were not aware of this voter intimidation case? Was that coverage not flaming the fires of hatred? Wasn’t MSNBC condemned for not giving it airtime? Oh wait…..

Funny how you use something that you probably despise like Fox News to justify something that you agree with.

greg454 said:
“Maybe we should stop bragging about being a free country. If we condone burning of another faiths holy book. Since this is the land of freedom of religion.” —How does burning a book violate freedom of religion? Muslims aren’t being prohibiting from practicing their religion, as long as they don’t use violence, they can practice it anyway they want! Besides, for some people burning a quran, burning the catcher and the rye, burning Mein Kampf, IS freedom of religion. Either way, if the Muslims have no problem caring about our sensitivities when it comes to building a mosque two blocks from ground zero then I have no problem caring about their sensitivities when it comes to supporting the burning of a quran. In fact, Mayor Bloomberg himself is defending this burning as an exercise of free speech. Muslims deserve a taste of their own medicine.

Could not agree with you more Greg. It really is funny how this perceived insensitivity is so wrong in the minds of people like Oberman, but things such as building a mosque near ground zero can just roll right off of their backs.

Tony the Fist said:
Monitoring what children are exposed to another issue.

Oh right. Like I think and said monitoring our children is a bad idea? I’m quite certain there is no porn in school libraries or things have changed an awful lot since I was in school. Oh and the purple tellatubbie (sp) was gay right?

Ninja said:
Funny how you use something that you probably despise like Fox News to justify something that you agree with.

Actually that had nothing to do with my comment. Just pointing out how both networks use airtime to push their own agendas. You were the one that brought up fanning the flames by MSNBC.

By the way, I don’t care for either networks, actually. Both are to bias.

Ooops sorry it was Martinishark who actually made the comment of flaming the fires. I apologize to you for my mistake

MiddleRoader said:
I know this is not burning them, but how bout those christians that wanted many books removed from libraries, because they were afraid they were sending the wrong message to our young? Where was the idea for freedom of choice in that issue?

Right, that’s not burning them, and they’re not talking about their own books. They’re talking about removing books to prevent others from reading them, which is a very different thing. See how that works, and how it infringes on someone else?

MiddleRoader said:
All you have to do is read the burning of the koran threads here in mediaite alone and see how many think it’s a great idea and they should go ahead and do so.

Sorry, I don’t see a lot of that. I see a lot of people saying it’s stupid, but he has the right to do it.

Pablo said:
Right, that’s not burning them, and they’re not talking about their own books. They’re talking about removing books to prevent others from reading them, which is a very different thing. See how that works, and how it infringes on someone else?

Again you kind of confuse me with your answer. If the infringement you refer to is taking the books out of the library. I believe that infringes on my right as a parent to allow my kids access to them. (don’t use they can get them at the public library defense please) If the infringement is on burning the koran. I fully believe they have the right to. I only question the wisdom of it. I am an atheist but I would have no problem with the bible in the library. As I would prefer my kids to be able to read about and/or be exposed to religion and have to right to make their own informed choice. (and again, I am not talking about porn)

Beck has weighed in on the Koran burnings:

“I’m on vacation and trying to unplug but the news can make that hard. I just read the story about the Florida church planning to burn copies of the Koran.
What is wrong with us? It’s just like the Ground Zero mosque plan. Does this church have the right? Yes. Should they? No. And not because of the potential backlash or violence. Simply because it is wrong. The more I reflect on what happened on 8/28 the more I realize the amazing power of GOOD.
We must be the better person. We must be bigger than our problems. Bigger than the times in which we live. Burning the Koran is like burning the flag or the Bible. You can do it, but whose heart will you change by doing it? You will only harden the hearts of those who could be moved. None of those who are thinking about killing us will be affected, but our good Muslim friends and neighbors will be saddened. It makes the battle that they face inside their own communities even harder.
Let us rise above the current levels and elevate ourselves and our country. The only thing this act would prove is that you CAN burn a Koran. I didn’t know America was in doubt on that fact. Let’s prove to each other that while there are many things we can do, there are maybe many more things that we choose not to do.”

Great. If this whack job in FL. happens to think that Mormonism is a cult, as many evengelicals do, I’m sure Glenn Beck’s 2 cents will become “God’s answer to his prayers.”

Mr. Beck, as General Petraeus points out, this IS about the backlash.

Mr. Backlash himself has no clue about backlash, or he doesn’t want to point to how much he leads the backlash in the U.S. against reason based (as opposed to the reactionary, faith based) government. At any rate, Beck is WRONG (again) about this. Backlash IS the reason to not burn the Koran. As usual, Beck is also right. It’s as wrong for “Christians” to burn the Koran as it would be for Muslims to burn the Bible.

Beck is leading the American Backlash.

http://www.amazon.com/Backlash-Right-Wing-Radicals-High-Def-Hucksters/dp/0061991716

Pablo said:
Sorry, I don’t see a lot of that. I see a lot of people saying it’s stupid, but he has the right to do it.

Actually, I notice there is someone in that other thread that thinks burning korans is a great idea. That would be someone by the name MiddleRoader.

Pablo said:
They’re talking about removing books to prevent others from reading them, which is a very different thing.

I realized it was different, but at the same time it is also a question of freedom of speech. I honestly don’t want to get off topic and also realize I started that.

MiddleRoader said:
Didn’t Fox give airtime to the NBPP over their concern for danger to the voters? Did they not bring to light to many people that were not aware of this voter intimidation case? Was that coverage not flaming the fires of hatred? Wasn’t MSNBC condemned for not giving it airtime? Oh wait…..

What coverage I did see on Fox on this issue involved the AG office dropping the case, they were not complaining about the NBPP message. Olbermann s posturing that he’s concerned how this burning will be perceived by others, but he has no qualms broadcasting an entire segment about that very activity. If nobody gave this idiot pastor airtime he would probably abandon this plan and do something that would get attention.

MiddleRoader said:
Again you kind of confuse me with your answer. If the infringement you refer to is taking the books out of the library. I believe that infringes on my right as a parent to allow my kids access to them. (don’t use they can get them at the public library defense please)

Yes. That’s a problem.

If the infringement is on burning the koran. I fully believe they have the right to. I only question the wisdom of it.

If it isn’t someone else’s Koran, then it isn’t an infringement. I cannot infringe on someone else by destroying my own book.

Pablo said:
Actually, I notice there is someone in that other thread that thinks burning korans is a great idea. That would be someone by the name MiddleRoader.

Basically I agreed as it was an equal opportunity burning. And it was sarcasm. But it was also dumb of me to agree to it and down further I said I would be against bible burning, flag burning etc.

What coverage I did see on Fox on this issue involved the AG office dropping the case, they were not complaining about the NBPP message

Not to mention the Civil Rights Commission investigation, the DOJ refusing to comply with subpoenas, etc…

puck30 says: “Now because a bunch of ya-hoos want want to burn a Koran on Sept. 11 it’s, “oh! don’t do that! You’ll hurt somebody’s feelings…”

No, you idiot: understand what General Petraeus is writing; it’s all about backlash! If the Koran burns, more Muslims will become radicalized and more Americans will die!

Who, BTW, burns the Bible? When? Where?

MartiniShark said:
If nobody gave this idiot pastor airtime he would probably abandon this plan and do something that would get attention.

I totally agree as with so many other things permeating the news these days.

Pablo said:
If it isn’t someone else’s Koran, then it isn’t an infringement. I cannot infringe on someone else by destroying my own book.

So if I was Christian and I for whatever reason decided to publicly burn the bible that would sit well with other Christians? Again, I apologize for my inability to understand your comment.

Pablo said:
Yeah, a small mosque that will accommodate 2000 worshipers for Friday prayers. It’s just slightly bigger than a broom closet.

So? What difference does it make. We are not at war with Islam and all Muslims. Or do you disagree with GWB?

“Could not agree with you more Greg. It really is funny how this perceived insensitivity is so wrong in the minds of people like Oberman, but things such as building a mosque near ground zero can just roll right off of their backs.”

—Thanks Ninja. I think deep down most people agree with us but are afraid to admit it. Muslims should be grateful people are expressing their anger towards radical Islam by burning books and not by beheading or stoning people to death, which is what they do.

Remember the Miss World incident in Nigeria?

“after a young fashion writer in Nigeria wrote that Prophet Mohammed probably would have chosen one of the Miss World contestants as his wife, old tensions between Christians and Muslims exploded. Riots erupted in the northern city of Kaduna, where two years before, 2,000 people had died in religious clashes. The trouble spread to Nigeria’s capital, Abuja. The death toll exceeded 200 people, with hundreds of others reported injured. ”
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/nigeria/2000s.html

People need to stop condemming the things that provoke Muslims and focus on the Muslims themselves. So to me, the question isn’t why is burning a quran wrong, but why do Muslims react like violent animals everytime they are offended?

And yes, they are animals, because only animals give in to their impulses.

MiddleRoader said:
So if I was Christian and I for whatever reason decided to publicly burn the bible that would sit well with other Christians? Again, I apologize for my inability to understand your comment.

You seem to miss the fact that not liking someone’s actions is not the same thing as being infringed upon by someone’s actions. If it’s your Bible, you can do as you damned well please with it on your property, and it’s no skin off my back or anyone else’s.

Now if I wrote a book and I personally wanted to remove it from the libraries and/or burn it, yes it would be my right to do so, and screw anyone who objected to their infringement of it. Course the fire marshal might have a good point in restricting the burning.

Pablo said:
You seem to miss the fact that not liking someone’s actions is not the same thing as being infringed upon by someone’s actions. If it’s your Bible, you can do as you damned well please with it on your property, and it’s no skin off my back or anyone else’s.

Again Pablo, I don’t disagree with their right to do it. I question the wisdom of it.

Ellen Rowe said:
Or do you disagree with GWB?

LOL

Suddenly GWB is the “Sage of Liberalism” and an expert on Islam.

I love it!

MiddleRoader said:
Again Pablo, I don’t disagree with their right to do it. I question the wisdom of it.

That’s funny. That’s what those who are against the mosque said and they were labeled Islamophobes.

Ellen Rowe said:
So? What difference does it make.

It puts the lie to your insistence that it isn’t a mosque.

We are not at war with Islam and all Muslims. Or do you disagree with GWB?

If I were you, I’d be careful about building strawmen in a thread about fire.

MiddleRoader said:
Again Pablo, I don’t disagree with their right to do it. I question the wisdom of it.

But do you see how it’s an entirely different thing than trying to ban books from a public library? That was the point, IIRC.

BR said:
Putting Keith “Tokyo Rose” Olbermann aside for a minute. I guess they have a “right” to burn the Koran. But why do it? What will it prove? And people have a “right” to be against burning the Koran. But the same people defending the Mosk (LIKE OLBERMANN) are against burning the Koran. Even both have a “right” to do it. So it comes back to what alot of people having been saying. Even if you have a right to do something it doesnt make it wise to do it.

Wanting to ban Park51 and burn the Quran are protests against Islam and all Muslims. We are not at war with Islam so neither one is rational.

MiddleRoader said:
Now if I wrote a book and I personally wanted to remove it from the libraries and/or burn it, yes it would be my right to do so, and screw anyone who objected to their infringement of it.

Not if the library bought it. Then it’s their property, not yours.

Ellen Rowe said:
Wanting to ban Park51 and burn the Quran are protests against Islam and all Muslims. We are not at war with Islam so neither one is rational.

We’re not at war with Christians either but the left sure protests them and wants to ban them from practicing their religion.

alamo2 said:
Aren’t you the least bit concerned about our troops overseas? This burning by an idiot who probably never served his country will just incite more terrorists to attempt to do harm to our troops. As a veteran myself, I find this act indefensible!

Where in my post did I say anything about the troops overseas? The troops are not being shot at for any other reason? Give me a break! And I find this odd coming from a Veteran, you fought for people to have the freedom to burn Bibles, Flags, Thrown a Cross in a jar of piss (with taxpayer money i might add), but you draw the line at some ya-hoo burning a Koran. So is it safe to say you fought for selective freedom? Interesting, Very Interesting.

Although I might not agree nor like it. I fought for ya-hoos to have the freedom to Burn Bibles, Burn American Flags, Throw A Cross in a jar of piss, Protest in the streets and carry a Hitler/Bush or a Obama/Hitler sign, and as absolute disgusting as it is protest servicemen funerals (did you find these acts indefensible? Spare Me!). And Yes, as this may surprise you also for a Ya-Hoo to burn a Koran.

The difference is over here we point our fingers at these Ya-Hoos and say WTF, your a moron, don’t do that. Over there they want to blow themselves up, or stone people to death over a frikin’ cartoon or a book.

Never did I ever or will I ever support a freedom that says I have to stop a Ya-Hoo Idiot in Florida from burning a book so I don’t offend some Ya-Hoo Idiot in the Middle East. What was it the Ya-Hoos over there had a mass riot about last time? A frikin’ cartoon! To me their both Ya-Hoos.

And I’m sure the troops over there have a few other things to worry about these days. And they shouldn’t be there anyway, I don’t think we should be playing ‘World Cop’ and spending a ton of money on people that can’t understand that yes with FREEDOM comes good & bad (sorry kiddies this ain’t Burger King). We should be minding our own damn buisness. BRING EM’ HOME SINCE 2003!

notsofast said:
LOL

Suddenly GWB is the “Sage of Liberalism” and an expert on Islam.

I love it!

So are you saying you agree or disagree with GWB?

Pablo said:
It puts the lie to your insistence that it isn’t a mosque.

If I were you, I’d be careful about building strawmen in a thread about fire.

*sigh* and bah bye.

MiddleRoader said:
So if I was Christian and I for whatever reason decided to publicly burn the bible that would sit well with other Christians? Again, I apologize for my inability to understand your comment.

Seems these apx. 3000 people didn’t care how it sat with other Christians.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bible+burning&aq=f

GlennBeckReview said:
puck30 says: “Now because a bunch of ya-hoos want want to burn a Koran on Sept. 11 it’s, “oh! don’t do that! You’ll hurt somebody’s feelings…” No, you idiot: understand what General Petraeus is writing; it’s all about backlash! If the Koran burns, more Muslims will become radicalized and more Americans will die! Who, BTW, burns the Bible? When? Where?

NO NO YOU IDIOT!

Apx. 3000 videos take your pick dickhead!

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bible+burning&aq=f

So since these people burn bibles does that give me the right now to go pound on some Muslims because I’m offended?

That’s a great idea, Ellen. Get caught lying, sigh and leave. Bye, now!

Pablo said:
We’re not at war with Christians either but the left sure protests them and wants to ban them from practicing their religion.

Can you offer some specific and concrete evidence for this statement?

I though you were leaving.

Ellen Rowe said:
*sigh* and bah bye.

Yep. What happened?

Has anyone noticed that at the protests in Afghanistan (the protests over the burning of the Quran) they are burning the American flag and an effigy of the POTUS?

“We are angry that you want to burn something we hold sacred! And to show you how angry we are, we are going to burn your flag and President!”

yea…that’s smart.

I wrote about this topic on my blog in more detail, but here is a snipit:

In my opinion, burning the Quran because Islamic extremists attacked America on 9/11 is like burning bibles because Dr. Tiller was murdered, or an abortion clinic was bombed. It’s like burning the American flag because the USA went to war in Iraq. It’s like burning Ozzy Osbourne albums because John McCollum, a depressed teenager, shot himself in the head while listening to the song Suicide Solution.

If you are ok with one, you should be ok with all of these forms of protest.

If you are against one, you should be against all of these forms of protest.

Personally, I think it is a stupid idea. If the Pastor wants to protest he should burn photos of Osama Bin Laden, his fatwa and the terrorists who flew the planes.
snip
As for the argument that in doing so, they will be putting soldiers in harms way, I believe we can’t stop being *free* and give in to/live in fear of, threats of violence.

Not exercising our freedoms because of threats of violence from radical extremists means they win.
http://tinyurl.com/33p9xw6

Also, of course our troops will be endangered. They are at war. They are in danger either way. But I do believe it ups the chances for more violence…look at what happened over the cartoon.

notsofast says: “Suddenly GWB is the “Sage of Liberalism” and an expert on Islam.

I love it!”

No, but most liberals knew that on this issue he was right. GWB distinguished between radical Muslims who were terrorists and moderates who are people of peace.

Now, the far right has jumped off the cliff of reason and rationality. If Korans burn, thousands die.

Not so fast, is that too complex for you to grasp?

“It puts the lie to your insistence that it isn’t a mosque.”

It’s not a lie, only a broken promise.

puck30 says: “Apx. 3000 videos take your pick dickhead!”

I asked the question. I’m glad I didn’t have a teacher like you when I was in high school, I’d be in jail for killing the prick.

So some hole burns Bibles, and you think it’s A _OK to stoop to that level and burn the Koran, and heat up the tensions between Christians and Muslims?

I remember the days when people paid attention to the generals in the battle zone and didn’t ignore their calls for caution. Of course, that was before Murdoch foisted the dumbing-down network, Fox Propaganda Channel.

Terry Jones caused the 9/11 attack by Islamic Muslims?!! I’m personally not into burning books but, if it pisses off the terrorists, it might be worth it. Regardless of weather we do, or don’t, the Islamic Muslim terrorists are going to continue to hit us.
Islam is not a religion, it’s an ideology!

For reasons of national security anyone who is attempting to aid and abet the enemy should be immediately imprisoned and that is where the Rev. Jones and his flock should be right now. Already his unholy assault on the Koran has brought additional terrorists into the ranks of Al Qaeda. If he goes through with the burning even the most moderate of Muslims will be turned into terrorists. It is better to hang one black preacher and kill thousands of American Soldiers.

If the reactionaries burn Korans on Saturday, the Middle East explodes next Sunday. Gas prices skyrocket on Monday. American soldiers will face even more Islamic extremists.

Maybe that ding-bat church should be surrounded by fire trucks. As soon as one of those holes lights a match, a water cannon blows him/her straight to hell. OK, not that far. The match gets puts out and the bomb of hatred does not go off. If I were the FL governor, that’s what I’d do. Put out the fire before it buns us all.

“I’m glad I didn’t have a teacher like you when I was in high school, I’d be in jail for killing the prick.”

“Now, the far right has jumped off the cliff of reason and rationality.”

MAn, you just can’t make this stuff up!

As a Florida pastor plans a Quran-burning bonfire on September 11, The Daily Beast’s Asra Q. Nomani, herself a Muslim, says there are a few brutal passages in the Quran that need to go up in smoke.

I believe the Qurans are being burnt because we, as Muslims, haven’t dealt sincerely and intellectually with very serious issues that certain Quranic passages raise, particularly in the West. These include verses—when literally read—that say that disobedient wives can be beaten “lightly,” that Muslims can’t be friends with the Jews and the Christians, and that it’s OK to kill converts from Islam.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-08/get-over-the-quran-burning/

GlennBeckReview said:
puck30 says: “Apx. 3000 videos take your pick dickhead!” I asked the question. I’m glad I didn’t have a teacher like you when I was in high school, I’d be in jail for killing the prick. So some hole burns Bibles, and you think it’s A _OK to stoop to that level and burn the Koran, and heat up the tensions between Christians and Muslims? I remember the days when people paid attention to the generals in the battle zone and didn’t ignore their calls for caution. Of course, that was before Murdoch foisted the dumbing-down network, Fox Propaganda Channel.

So let’s see asshole I show you a link to 3000 bible burning videos and you want to kill me. Not too unstable are you asshole! Hey! I don’t live in my basement pouring over word for word transcripts that I can put on my Doepy little website no one visits.

I’m not the one who needs massive medication when something is said on Cable News Channel. That’s you jack-ass! That’s you!

But one thing I will take to heart is that everytime you see me on this website, you will want act just like those Ya-Hoos over in the middle East and want to kill me.

BTW ass-hole, I don’t think you would ever kill one of your teachers in school you probably busy pulling you’re underwear out of your ass from the Daily Wedgies you got.

Penguin, aka, birdbrainofmediaite, I didn’t. People have been writing this in books for months.

See Over the Cliff:
http://www.amazon.com/Over-Cliff-Obamas-Election-American/dp/0982417179

The Backlash:
http://www.amazon.com/Backlash-Right-Wing-Radicals-High-Def-Hucksters/dp/0061991716

And my favorite: Common Nonsense: Glenn Beck and the Triumph of IGNORANCE:
http://www.amazon.com/Common-Nonsense-Glenn-Triumph-Ignorance/dp/0470557397

Want to quote me out of context again, birdbrain? It’s the Way of Beck. You seem good as such deception. Maybe you have a career in front of you: reactionary blow-hard.

GlennBeckReview said:
If the reactionaries burn Korans on Saturday, the Middle East explodes next Sunday. Gas prices skyrocket on Monday. American soldiers will face even more Islamic extremists. Maybe that ding-bat church should be surrounded by fire trucks. As soon as one of those holes lights a match, a water cannon blows him/her straight to hell. OK, not that far. The match gets puts out and the bomb of hatred does not go off. If I were the FL governor, that’s what I’d do. Put out the fire before it buns us all.

Yeah, yeah! That’s what I would do!

Hey moron! Nobody wants to listen to an unsable freak. If you think the rest of the world thinks likes you, you should get out of you basement more often.

GlennBeckReview said:
Penguin, aka, birdbrainofmediaite, I didn’t. People have been writing this in books for months. See Over the Cliff:http://www.amazon.com/Over-Cliff-Obamas-Election-American/dp/0982417179 The Backlash:http://www.amazon.com/Backlash-Right-Wing-Radicals-High-Def-Hucksters/dp/0061991716 And my favorite: Common Nonsense: Glenn Beck and the Triumph of IGNORANCE:http://www.amazon.com/Common-Nonsense-Glenn-Triumph-Ignorance/dp/0470557397 Want to quote me out of context again, birdbrain? It’s the Way of Beck. You seem good as such deception. Maybe you have a career in front of you: reactionary blow-hard.

Ohhhhhhhh! Ohhhhhhhhhhhh! I’ll throw Glenn Beck quotes out, cause that’s all I know. I’m obsessed with Glenn Beck! Glenn Beck should pay me rent for being in my head 24/7. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Help Me! Help Me!
Medication! Medication!

GlennBeckReview said:
. As soon as one of those holes lights a match, a water cannon blows him/her straight to hell. OK, not that far. The match gets puts out and the bomb of hatred does not go off. If I were the FL governor, that’s what I’d do. Put out the fire before it buns us all.

And GWB attacked our Constitution?
How about nobody takes a picture, and ignores this a$$hole?
Sort of what I should do with you, unfortunately no ignore feature.
Glennbeckgivesmeachubby-you must be a hoot at Christmas parties, you make friends everywhere you go!

Hey glennbeckgivesmeachubby, talk about over the cliff, that cheesy website you run is pathologic. Don’t they have psychiatrists in NY State?

I think those responsible for laying the ground work for something like this to happen should publicly denounce this man and his nutty idea. Newt, Rush, Palin, Fox news, NY politicians Peter King, that douche bag running for Gov….ugh Luxor; where are these individuals?
This is the chance you take when try to put fear into people for votes, which is where all of this can be tracked back to. The whole Obama is Muslim, opposition to building the Mosque in NYC, vandalism on equipment and arson at the TN Mosque, the opposition to the building of a larger Mosque in CA etc…I think you get the point.
Republican leaders and extremist in the party need to put the genie back in the bottle

puck30 said:
Yeah, yeah! That’s what I would do! Hey moron! Nobody wants to listen to an unsable freak. If you think the rest of the world thinks likes you, you should get out of you basement more often.

Hey, come on. Would you say that to someone’s face during a discussion?

alamo2 said:
Hey, come on. Would you say that to someone’s face during a discussion?

Ah, so you think it’s okay for the unstable freak to say he wants to kill me, you down with that? Man threathens my life, all bets are off the table.

puck30 said:
Ah, so you think it’s okay for the unstable freak to say he wants to kill me, you down with that? Man threathens my life, all bets are off the table.

So you sink to his level? I do sometimes. Not very productive. I wish I could ignore such clowns, but it is hard. I understand your point.

GlennBeckReview said:
notsofast says: “Suddenly GWB is the “Sage of Liberalism” and an expert on Islam. I love it!” No, but most liberals knew that on this issue he was right. GWB distinguished between radical Muslims who were terrorists and moderates who are people of peace. Now, the far right has jumped off the cliff of reason and rationality. If Korans burn, thousands die. Not so fast, is that too complex for you to grasp?

Nice that you want to label and condem an entire party and class of people based on the wing-nut actions of one crank and his 50-member congregation. That is the same technique Olbermann is going for here — declare no one from the Reps has condemned this loon, so he then implies that means the Reps approve of these actions. Interesting that this comes from those who scream that we should not condemn an entire religion for the actions of a small percentage of extremists. But, a few dozen people can be used to smear an entire party.

alamo2 said:
So you sink to his level? I do sometimes. Not very productive. I wish I could ignore such clowns, but it is hard. I understand your point.

Thank You Alamo

Look I think the Ya-hoo in Florida should be ignored, laughed at, and pissed on. And the people in The Middle East should understanding that it’s these 50 morons not the Country as a whole and unfortunately this is the side of the freedom that is the crappy part. The Man has every right to burn a Koran as some idiot to burn a Bible. Gee, did we just have a teachable moment?

What you don’t have is a right for the Unstable Freak to threaten to kill me or turn Fire Hoses on this Pastor down in Florida. Didn’t we get past that in 64′?

And this bull crap about ohhhhhhh it’s going to set off the terrorists. The MSM will be right down there set up the Night before. CBS, NBC, ABC, FNC, CNN, HLN, MSNBC, PBS, LOCALS. And why is that? Because they will be just as bloodthirsty to see him do it. Is Olbermann going to condem them for turning this into a Circus?

NOPE! Olbermann and the ‘Unstable Freak’ will look through their sick twisted glasses and see what they want to see. It’s the scary Conservatives.

At least you know that as much as we don’t want this nim-rod to do what he is going to do, it’s what we fought for and continue to fight for. The freedom to be the biggest star or the biggest ass-hole!

You can’t cherry pick freedom dude, if that’s going to happen. Then we might as well bring Sharia Law to the US because we are done.

StandUp says: “GlennBeckreview will be so jealous”

The right word would be envious, and no I’m not. There’s enough to be contemptuous about Beck for.

As pointed out, Beck wrote in his TheBlaze.com that he is against the burning of the Koran this Saturday. For that he is to be commended. However, a Mormon is not the person to be telling an evangelical how to behave.

Terry Jones needs to hear this from other evangelicals, Sarah Palin and others who this preacher might actually pay attention to.

If you want to know why some islamic extremist Terrorists want to destroy America, you only need to look to Christian extremists such as Terry Jones.

Yossef Alyas said:

If you want to know why some islamic extremist Terrorists want to destroy America, you only need to look to Christian extremists such as Terry Jones.

They already have tried, Yossef. Hate to tell you. And they would have tried and will continue to try regardless if we behave nicely or not. Some of us aren’t that stupid.

As to the pastor and the Koran burning, this is a classic example of trolling, in this case trolling Muslims. I am surprised no other poster has mentioned it, considering how common trolling is on the internet, you would expect people to recognize it in real life.

As to General Petrayus and his comments, there is more than one way to interpet them, if you are paying attention. His apparently wishy washy statement could be deliberate BS in order to help the troops and distance himself and the army from any responsibility. The point to realize is that US troops are not exactly helpless patsies waiting to be shot. The lack of self control of the Muslim protestors would allow a general to gun down many of these idiots with well armed and prepared troops, because they would be angry and stupid enough to open fire on our soldiers. The return fire would be devastating. On the other hand, some Muslims(who were following the news) would hear his comments and say that the general tried to stop the burning but was unable to do so, and thus not attack US troops after all. Either way a win for the general and the US army.

GlennBeckReview said:
I’m glad I didn’t have a teacher like you when I was in high school, I’d be in jail for killing the prick.

And yesterday GBR said that a broken promise is not a lie…IN CAPS as if he was proud of that statement.

And now he advocates killing high school teachers that you don’t agree with.

No further comment from me is needed.
Except to say don’t push him too hard…he’s close to the edge.

Pablo said:
That’s a great idea, Ellen. Get caught lying, sigh and leave. Bye, now!

Actually I said that the community center had a mosque within.

Are you going to answer my question about your assertion that the left protests Christian churches and wants to ban them? Here it is again …. Can you offer some specific and concrete evidence for this statement?

Pablo said:
When you own them.

Pablo said:
When you own them.

I meant as an ORGANIZATION. Next time I’ll try to be more specific for you and others that are just a little slow on the uptake…..

This is why I am against “any” type of organized religion. They say they’re all for peace and love. Then when somebody does evil in the name of God. Out they come these people who profess peace and love doing things to incite violence. Again in the name of God…

If the Christan Church Allows this “nut” Terry Jones to burn the Quran. It proves that the Christan Church acts ‘only” on their own beliefs and not those of God….

Ellen Rowe said:
Actually I said that the community center had a mosque within.

A small mosque was what you said, right? A 2000 person capacity is not small, nor is 13 stories.

Are you going to answer my question about your assertion that the left protests Christian churches and wants to ban them? Here it is again …. Can you offer some specific and concrete evidence for this statement?

Are you going to get the vapors and dismiss my response again? Let’s find out.

I didn’t say anything about Churches, I said practice of religion. Here’s a few things. First, and I’d like you to respond to this, why doesn’t the Catholic Church do adoptions in MA anymore? (Hint)

Then there’s this display of love and peace and acceptance.

Here’s another little nugget of religious tolerance.

What say you?

From that last bit:

Erica Corder was one of 15 valedictorians at Lewis-Palmer High School in 2006.

Why are there 15 valedictorians? I guess you can’t have one person rise to the top anymore.

Burnnotice said:
I meant as an ORGANIZATION. Next time I’ll try to be more specific for you and others that are just a little slow on the uptake…..

Organizations have the same right to do with stuff they own that individuals do. Could you be more specific?

the real john t said:
When was it that people held a mass Bible burning?

The Satanic “Church,” San Francisco, 1976 (I think, I could not find a reference), then, there are these links

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CshCI90Nfqc

http://www.topix.net/forum/religion/islam/TS5GV1EH7LUB2675O

http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=25885

Haley Barbour stated that he felt the “minister” in question should not burn the kuran, so did Sara Palin.

It’s insignificant, I know, but I believe when one offense is repeated with another in kind, it does not speak well of what Christianity is allegedly about–you know, that “turn the other cheek” thing. In Paul to the Romans (12th Chapeter we are told “Vengence is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord.” That’s a tough one for me to remember.

StandUp says: “And yesterday GBR said that a broken promise is not a lie…IN CAPS as if he was proud of that statement.

And now he advocates killing high school teachers that you don’t agree with.”

A BROKEN PROMISE IS NOT A LIE. That’s a fact, not something to be proud or ashamed of.

I didn’t advocate killing anyone. I knew that “stand up” would quote the line out of context to make it sound different than it was meant. (I mocked someone here, Penguin if I recall.) Stand Up, what part of JOKE do you not get?

Stand Up my ass! By stand up, you don’t mean telling jokes. I’m guessing you mean Listen to Master Beck, stand up and do something to save your country kind of uninformed Stand Up. Am I wrong about this?

BTW, I have this copied and saved to throw back at you, Stand Up, whenever you try to Beck me again with this reactionary stunt.

Yossef Alyas said:
If you want to know why some islamic extremist Terrorists want to destroy America, you only need to look to Christian extremists such as Terry Jones.

Given the history of the Crusades, the Inquisition, and crap like that, I can see where you’re coming from. Even as late as when the Brits chopped up Iraq, a lot of needless pain has been dealt out by the so-called “Christians,” but don’t you think there is “then” and there is “now” to consider? How long is it appropriate to carry a vendetta?

If you look at the overtures of the US in providing economic aid and assistance to almost every point on the globe where Muslims live, a rational person might be inclined to declare atonement has been achieved. Yet, a few hate-filled people of the MUSLIM faith cannot seem to find it in their hearts to forgive wrongs of the DISTANT past.

Of course, I believe you will offer up something to justify the myriad acts of terrorism that have been perpetrated against the United States over the last 40 years, but when you look in that dark little corner of your mind that you may wish to mostly avoid, I believe you will find the truth that the United States is and has been the most generous nation that has ever existed on the face of the Earth, and most often the most maligned and hated for its goodness.

If what I am saying were not true, I would not have emigrated here from the land of my birth.

pyrope says: “Yet, a few hate-filled people of the MUSLIM faith cannot seem to find it in their hearts to forgive wrongs of the DISTANT past.”

It was sooooo long ago that President Bush (league) invaded a Muslim country without provocation or justification. Like 8 years ago.

GlennBeckReview said:
puck30 says: “Apx. 3000 videos take your pick dickhead!” I asked the question. I’m glad I didn’t have a teacher like you when I was in high school, I’d be in jail for killing the prick. So some hole burns Bibles, and you think it’s A _OK to stoop to that level and burn the Koran, and heat up the tensions between Christians and Muslims? I remember the days when people paid attention to the generals in the battle zone and didn’t ignore their calls for caution. Of course, that was before Murdoch foisted the dumbing-down network, Fox Propaganda Channel.

There it is glennbeckgivesmeachubby, sure sounds like you advocate killing.

Glenn Beck is one of the LAST people who should be offering advise to Pastor Jones.
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/09/beck-blogs-from-theblaze-and-compares.html

Penquin, I advocate people not calling someone names for asking questions and mocking them with satire when they do.

What grade did you drop out of school from?

HA,HA,,HA you are so entrenched in your psychosis you can’t admit it. You wrote it. It’s right in front of you. I’d be in jail for killing the prick. Again I’ll ask; are there no psychiatrists in NY state?

Penguin, you bird brain; what part of sarcasm do you not understand?

Let’s approach this seriously for the mentally impaired, OK? How long do you think teachers in high school would last if their response to students asking questions was to call them “dumb asses?”

My response to this here was sarcastic, but (“HA, HA, HA”) you are so “entrenched” with stupidity that you can’t recognize it.

You “think” you’re so clever with your reactionary “gotcha” moment that you’ve lost sight of the enormous stake of Pastor Jones’ hateful and stupid proposal. Glenn Beck is right: we are surrounded…by utterly witless and dangerously ignorant plebeians.

Hey dipshit, there is no inflection in a computer. You wrote what you wrote. The I just didn’t mean it or it was sarcasm doesn’t cut it. You wrote you would kill someone. Deal with it. Fry too many brain cells in the electric engineering school?
Geez, you libs are so friggin obtuse when caught being the asshole you really are.
Perhaps you should move where there are psychiatrists.
Did you look up the DSM that fits your pathology glennbecgivesmeachubby?
Talk about clueless, how do you get out of the house in the morning? Oh, that’s right you hang in the basement researching a dopey entertainers every last line. Like anybody gives a shit.