Of course we want Palin as the nominee because Obama will crush her.

There is no way she can survive an actual year long campaign
against Romney, Gingrich, or Huckabee-see She has to prove herself as the
top of that bunch and just like the 2008 primaries the 2012 primary
will be a republican slaughter as the other republican candidates
will be forced to criticize her!

And that is the sword of damocles that every republican faces- if
you dare critique her you will be bombarded by wingnuts and
Rush Limbaugh who will pull an operation chaos on your ass!

If Palin runs its a big win for liberals-all they need do is sit back and enjoy
the spectacle!

Bootleghaircut said:
If Palin runs its a big win for liberals-all they need do is sit back and enjoy
the spectacle!

And, it will be great fun. Levi will probably be completely on board along with a couple of dozen new grandchildren. Maybe, campaign ads with turkeys being slaughtered and meth houses blowing up in the background. I understand Neiman Marcus and Saks Fifth Avenue are encouraging the Drop Out Governor to run.

Has anyone told her it’s a four year term, and that she would be expected to serve at least half of it?

FOX NEWS: WE NEVER PERMIT A HALF TRUTH. THE WHOLE LIE AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE LIE.

“Has anyone told her it’s a four year term, and that she would be expected to serve at least half of it?”

BHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

You know who conservatives and independents want for the Democrat candidate : Obama .

I hope we can discuss Palin and 2012 without resorting to insults and claims of anti-Palin bias. As someone extremely interested in presidential politics and elections, the prospect of her running in 2012 is very compelling. I have said it before and I will say it again: she runs the risk of becoming a modern Barry Goldwater. You simply can’t win a presidential election without moderates and independents. Right now, she polls very poorly with those groups. Obviously she is extraordinarily popular with the conservative base. There is no debating their devotion to her. That can’t be taken lightly as it is a large portion of the voting population. However, it is not large enough to win. See Goldwater for a prime example of this. He also had a highly loyal following, but turned off independents and moderates in his own party. Like Palin or not, she runs this risk.

Yeah, be careful, Nutroots knuckleheads. Pretty Sarah Palin powers up Presidential path as bogus Barry circles the drain.

Lars Svensen is Karl Spensen / Christian Larson .

dont worry libs who ever we get to run fot the gop will win the election not obama Palin or whoever

palin will win or whoever not obama

Moderates, too.
Palin would never win the white house. We independents would see to that.

Charlene Mcentire said

“dont worry libs who ever we get to run fot the gop will win the election not obama Palin or whoever”

________________________________________________________________________________

OOOOOHHHHHHHH we’re so scaaaaarrrreeedddd!!!

Charlene, you forget it’s we independents who end up putting someone in the WH. Conservatives and Liberals only decide who the GOP and the Dem nominees are going to be.

Indpendents would never put Palin in the WH. Never.

@Charlene

If you think Sarah Palin can win the Presidencey you are “Stuck on Stupid”!!

‘Palin would never win the white house. We independents would see to that.”

Score one for the independents.

Charlene is either stuck on stupid or doesn’t understand the political realities of elections. Perhaps Charlene is some kid out of school for the summer and simply doesnt know better

There may be “Anyone But Obama” fever in 2012, but that alone hardly guarantees GOP victory. Just ask Bob Dole about that. Or John Kerry for that matter. You can’t just throw anyone up there unless there is a scandal of Watergate magnitude prior to the election.

AngelPeters said:
Charlene is either stuck on stupid or doesn’t understand the political realities of elections. Perhaps Charlene is some kid out of school for the summer and simply doesnt know better

By her picture I would say she is a middle age woman inordinately fond of fried foods. Of course, that may not beher picture.

FOX NEWS: WE NEVER PERMIT A HALF TRUTH. THE WHOLE LIE AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE LIE.

When Dems finish “pulling up” all of Palin’s LIES and there are tons of them. Lack of knowledge or solutions about real issues. Bad Grammar (there’s plenty of that) and Chris Christie and Jeb Bush finish stomping on her in a debate. Sarah Palin will be back on her “pretend” bus. You know the one she hops on from her private jet. Signing auitographs, fleecing her worshippers for more money japping about the President 24/7. Because God Knows she has NO real ideas or policies that would actually help the country,.

paulmdoro said:
There may be “Anyone But Obama” fever in 2012, but that alone hardly guarantees GOP victory. Just ask Bob Dole about that. Or John Kerry for that matter. You can’t just throw anyone up there unless there is a scandal of Watergate magnitude prior to the election.

Charlene, it would be wise of you to learn the historical lesson. Palin would never win. It’s just raw truth of political realities.

“You can’t just throw anyone up there unless there is a scandal of Watergate magnitude prior to the election.”

Hence why the GOP are so despreate to MANUFACTURE such a scandal.

just think about Obama’s first quarter in office-do you know how many times they claimed
his was facing his “Katrina?” they’ve been traying to hang that meme on him up through
the PB oil spill and sme dumbass named Angela McGowan claimed it was Obama’s watergate.

They are still hurting from Bush’s record low presidential approval rating. they are suffereing
from BDS post traumatic stress syndrome!

I don’t actually know if Sarah Palin could win or not but I’m thinking she has at least as good a chance as someone who is destroying our country.

The left is trying a bit of psychology on the right. They think if they offer her (Palin) up as someone they would want.. she will become less appealing to conservatives. In reality.. they FEAR Sarah Palin. She is their worst nightmare because she represents ALOT of voters. Their only weapon against her is the weapon of smear and lies. ..Try to make her look dumb and obsolete. …Your jokes are tired and don’t resonate with the American public.

Don’t fall for it conservatives. I’d love to see a Palin ticket against either Obama or Hillary.

The Real Royal King said:
By her picture I would say she is a middle age woman inordinately fond of fried foods. Of course, that may not beher picture.

That’s not very nice. Can’t we leave personal shots like that out of it?

WideAwakeNow said:
I don’t actually know if Sarah Palin could win or not but I’m thinking she has at least as good a chance as someone who is destroying our country.

The left is trying a bit of psychology on the right. They think if they offer her (Palin) up as someone they would want.. she will become less appealing to conservatives. In reality.. they FEAR Sarah Palin. She is their worst nightmare because she represents ALOT of voters. Their only weapon against her is the weapon of smear and lies. ..Try to make her look dumb and obsolete. …Your jokes are tired and don’t resonate with the American public.

Don’t fall for it conservatives. I’d love to see a Palin ticket against either Obama or Hillary.

Palin will not lose conservative voters. She has them locked up. It is the moderates and independents she needs to win over. Nixon said it best: “I can’t win without the conservatives but I can’t win with only the conservatives.”

paulmdoro said:
Palin will not lose conservative voters. She has them locked up. It is the moderates and independents she needs to win over. Nixon said it best: “I can’t win without the conservatives but I can’t win with only the conservatives.”

Exactly.
Both Libs and Conservative tend to think in either progressive or conservative ways.
Any politician who forgets about we moderate independents loses. Promise.
All politicians will pander to their base to get their parties nomination. They have to. THEN then have to pull to the center to get we independents. They have to do that, too.

“In reality.. they FEAR Sarah Palin. She is their worst nightmare because she represents ALOT of voters”

Typical conservatives since fear is the only way they know how to govern they feel the need
to project their shortcomings onto eveybody else.

Funny they never say how much we fear Huckabee or Guingrich but yet we are so afraid of
Palin. You can always spot a ditto head cause they invest heavility in such doublespeak
and nonsense.

I guess we should fear her cause she lost the election?

Yes we should fear somebody who even though they were in the right-then
quit their job anyways because facebook is so much better a platform than
a governorship? Gutless. Totally gutless.

I’m so afraid I’m laughing.

paulmdoro said:
That’s not very nice. Can’t we leave personal shots like that out of it?

Then, why did you repost it?

FOX NEWS: WE NEVER PERMIT A HALF TRUTH. THE WHOLE LIE AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE LIE.

It’s just unfortunate that some people here continuously resort to name-calling. It takes away from the discussion and reflects poorly on the individual doing it.

WideAwakeNow

The left is trying a bit of psychology on the right. They think if they offer her (Palin) up as someone they would want.. she will become less appealing to conservatives. In reality.. they FEAR Sarah Palin. She is their worst nightmare because she represents ALOT of voters. Their only weapon against her is the weapon of smear and lies. ..Try to make her look dumb and obsolete. …Your jokes are tired and don’t resonate with the American public.

Don’t fall for it conservatives. I’d love to see a Palin ticket against either Obama or Hillary.

Fear Palin? Really? Do you truly and honestly believe that? If so I would say that you are disconnected from political realities?

Do you really not understand how she comes off to most Americans? I’ll give you a hint. A pretty woman but not all that bright. Honest.

“I hope we can discuss Palin and 2012 without resorting to insults” paulmdoro

“address actual issues in either a debate setting or a unstaged press conference.” Glynnis

If Sarah Palin decides to run she will win the Republican nomination.
If Ms. Palin debates Pres Obama, she will eviscerate him. Furthermore, she will beat him so badly that even the media (which Chris Matthews has stated “will try to destroy her”), will not be able to spin it to Obama’s advantage.

“Jeb Bush who’s been getting increased attention of late,”

Bush is a stalking horse for the Republican establishment. They fear Sarah Palin as much as the Democrats. He has zero chance of being the nominee.

“You simply can’t win a presidential election without moderates and independents.” paulmdoro

You are assuming they will vote for Obama. Given the economic wreckage and socialist policies wrought by the Democrats, questionable assumption.

“she runs the risk of becoming a modern Barry Goldwater”

Goldwater is not even a remotely good comparison. In fact, this is so ridiculous it can be dismissed as pure leftist spin. The correct analogy is Ronald Reagan, because like Sarah Palin, he was charismatic, and like her, he was able to broaden the Republican base (e.g., his ability to attract “Reagan Democrats”).

Ms. Palin is appealing directly to women: independents, moderates and conservatives. (Since McCain received 59% of the white male vote, that demographic shouldn’t be a problem for Palin-see article below)
I suggest you view the last 6 minutes of her speech to the SBA List and her “Mama Grizzlies” video. She is challenging Democrats for control of one of their key constituencies, which of course is why the feminazis hate her. McCain won 43% of the womens vote. Sarah Palin should be able to better that.

Of course, one of the keys to whether or not Palin will run will be the results of the November elections. Specifically: how do the candidates she endorsed fare (e.g., Nikki Haley, SC), and do women turn out in appreciable numbers for Republican candidates?

If the results are positive, the demand among conservatives and the Tea Party for Sarah Palin to run will be overwhelming. Personally, I almost prefer she not run, if only to save herself and her family from the vicious Democratic smear machine. But if we have learned nothing else about Sarah Palin, it is that she has uncommon courage and will not be deterred by leftist attempts to vilify her.

http://www.palintv.com/2010/07/08/sarahpac-mama-grizzlies/

(the last section)
http://www.palintv.com/2010/05/14/governor-palin%e2%80%99s-address-at-susan-b-anthony-celebration-of-life-breakfast/

(article on white vote in 2008)
http://www.slate.com/id/2204251

I said whoever. I dont care who wins as long as its not obama. I take Hilliary anyone but Obama.Of couse libs did to Hillary what they doing to Sarah palin. OBAMA WILL NOT WIN> a lot of independents are out there besides you’ll. im one of them

Bootleghaircut beat to the punch with the whole “fear of Sarah” rhetoric that her fans love to spew.
I for one REALLY hope she gets the nod… whether she wins or loses, the comedy will be EPIC!

“It’s just unfortunate that some people here continuously resort to name-calling. It takes away from the discussion and reflects poorly on the individual doing it.”

YAWN….now you’re just getting tiresome. can’t you just ignore the comments you don’t
like or are you going to make a federal case out anything that disturbs your zen bubble.

How about you grow up and stick to offering meaningful conversation instead trying
to play mother hen on a chat board? You have smart things to say; maybe if you
we’re such a sanctimonious pratt people might actually listen to your valid points
instead of your kvetching about language and discourse.

“But if we have learned nothing else about Sarah Palin, it is that she has uncommon courage and will not be deterred by leftist attempts to vilify her.”

Oh that’s why she quit her job? Her “courage.”

QUITTERS NEVER WIN.

paulmdoro said:
It’s just unfortunate that some people here continuously resort to name-calling. It takes away from the discussion and reflects poorly on the individual doing it.

Agreed. An intelligent and thoughtful discussion and debate based on the merits of the facts can be had without resulting to name calling.

Azarkhan, I am trying to analyze this without my partisan glasses on, which admittedly is hard to do. I am not simply assuming that moderates and independents will vote for Obama. However, Palin has yet to win over those voters. Like her or not, right now those groups are not very fond of her. Of course than can change, but she will have to more actively seek their votes whereas right now she seems more committed to appealing to those who already admire her, the conservative base.

That is why I think Goldwater is a more apt comparison than Reagan. In many ways Reagan was more moderate than conservatives want to admit. Either that or they have selective memory of him. As publications like Newsweek have pointed out, Reagan would have a hard time pleasing the Tea Party and winning widespread support in today’s GOP.

Charlene Mcentire said:
I said whoever.

Well it won’t be Palin. Promise.

Bootleghaircut said:
“It’s just unfortunate that some people here continuously resort to name-calling. It takes away from the discussion and reflects poorly on the individual doing it.”

YAWN….now you’re just getting tiresome. can’t you just ignore the comments you don’t
like or are you going to make a federal case out anything that disturbs your zen bubble.

How about you grow up and stick to offering meaningful conversation instead trying
to play mother hen on a chat board? You have smart things to say; maybe if you
we’re such a sanctimonious pratt people might actually listen to your valid points
instead of your kvetching about language and discourse.

Pot, meet kettle.

(Submitted last post before I was done.)

The topic of this thread was how liberals want the GOP to put up Pain against Obama. Why is it that they want that? Simply. She would be the EASIEST to defeat.

If the GOP really wants to beat Obama. If they are serious about it, they simply can’t put up Palin. Polls have shown just how independents would not vote for her. Upwards of 70% said they would not want Palin for pres.

yeah pauly-

I just knew you couldn’t do it!!! Thanks for proving me right.

Again.

Putting all ideology aside, Sarah could win the GOP nomination. The problem is she would never win the rest of the country. So she would have 20% of the vote. So, yes, it would be a good thing for her to enter the race against anyone. But, hey, Im all for it. Go Sarah. It would be a very fun thing to watch.

I don’t believe that Palin is Presidential material, just a person that believes in her convictions. Something that drives the moonbats crazy, (what she didn’t take a poll to think?) The loons on the left sure spend a lot of tiime on her, wonder why? How come you don’t hear what’s so great about the American Destroyer? What fantastic things he has screwed into our Country. The it’s Bush’s fault, and Palin’s an airhead only goes so far. Time to man up and lead rather than blame everyone but the dog.

cmdrgmh-

Her path to the GOP nomination is obstructed by Mitt Romney’s money, Mike huckabee’s populism,
and the fact that she has proven unable to successfully engage with any media besides Fox.

Hey if she can’t face MSNBC then how is she gonna do angainst AL-Qaeda?

If she runs every network should start a countdown clock until she appears
just like Fox did with Obama.

You think Palin can hold her own when even recently Bill O’Reilly was tearing her talking
points apart?

Notice she has not been back on the factor since.

cmdrgmh said:
Putting all ideology aside, Sarah could win the GOP nomination. The problem is she would never win the rest of the country. So she would have 20% of the vote. So, yes, it would be a good thing for her to enter the race against anyone. But, hey, Im all for it. Go Sarah. It would be a very fun thing to watch.

Thank you. That is why liberals would LOVE for Palin to win the GOP nom. She would not be able to defeat Obama.

“That is why I think Goldwater is a more apt comparison than Reagan”

Goldwater was an egghead, not a politician. Goldwater is 1964, Reagan is 1980′s. What we learned from John F. Kennedy was the need for a candidate to be telegenic and charismatic. Sarah Palin, like Ronald Reagan, (and unlike Goldwater) has those qualities in abundance. Furthermore, like Reagan, she is in tune with her party and with the leading activist group in the country, the Tea Party. The party of Goldwater was split between Goldwater conservatives and the northeastern liberal wing led by, among others, Nelson Rockefeller. Different era’s, different party’s.

“However, Palin has yet to win over those voters”

Give her time–she has two years until the 2012 election. When Sarah Palin resigned one year ago, she was written off as finished. No one predicted she would become the voice of conservatives, the unyielding opponent of Barack Obama, the most talked-about politician in the country, or a woman who by merely posting a Facebook endorsement, could turn an election in Georgia upside down. Give her time…

http://www.ajc.com/news/palin-nods-and-suddenly-577969.html

And the GOP runs a similar risk of becoming split between the Tea Party and the Establishment. Palin has yet to demonstrate that the can unite the two in a way that Goldwater did not. She is a divisive figure even in her own party and very often those people have a difficult time winning national elections. I am not writing her off but she will have to work much more at appealing to moderates and independents. Is that something she is willing to do and also capable of doing?

DAMN, I want some of what Azarkhan is smoking!

That has GOT to be some kind shit!

Penguin60 said:
I don’t believe that Palin is Presidential material, just a person that believes in her convictions.

I agree with that.

The best way to help out the GOP if she truly wants to do that is to continue to energize the base, which she does extremely effectively. By supporting someone who really would have a very good chance at beating Obama (IE, Romney, Gingrich, –not too sure about Huckabee, his hard-core religious background may be problematic for moderate indpendents–) would be solid choices.

Would the Christian right-wing of the GOP feel comfortable giving Romney, a Mormon, the nomination? I’m not sure on that point yet. I don’t think they would have problem with Gingrich’s fairly recent conversion to Catholicism, though.

Gingrich is sharp as all hell, too. His “contract with America” was brilliant and very affective back in the ’90.

Azarkhan said:
“That is why I think Goldwater is a more apt comparison than Reagan”

Goldwater was an egghead, not a politician. Goldwater is 1964, Reagan is 1980’s. What we learned from John F. Kennedy was the need for a candidate to be telegenic and charismatic. Sarah Palin, like Ronald Reagan, (and unlike Goldwater) has those qualities in abundance. Furthermore, like Reagan, she is in tune with her party and with the leading activist group in the country, the Tea Party. The party of Goldwater was split between Goldwater conservatives and the northeastern liberal wing led by, among others, Nelson Rockefeller. Different era’s, different party’s.

“However, Palin has yet to win over those voters”

Give her time–she has two years until the 2012 election. When Sarah Palin resigned one year ago, she was written off as finished. No one predicted she would become the voice of conservatives, the unyielding opponent of Barack Obama, the most talked-about politician in the country, or a woman who by merely posting a Facebook endorsement, could turn an election in Georgia upside down. Give her time…

http://www.ajc.com/news/palin-nods-and-suddenly-577969.html

And Palin is a politician? She’s a rabid rightie. No way she can win over the moderates. And as we’ve learned with the far right….even inching toward the center will get you labeled traitorous and a RINO.

My dog has a better chance of becoming President than she does…..an he eats his own shit.

“….even inching toward the center will get you labeled traitorous and a RINO.

My dog has a better chance of becoming President than she does…..an he eats his own shit”

The Golden troll beheading award goes to Jackie Treehorn.

Nuff said

I think to fully compare today’s political climate to the past (Reagan, Goldwater, etc) has one very big problem. Media landscape with the advent of the internet changes many a dynamic that those men never had to deal with. The 24 hour news cycle a long with the power of the blogs is a component that was never an issue for last century’s elections.

We are in a new age and landscape that politicians are trying to grapple with all do to the internet.

I don’t think Huckabee has a chance. Too extreme. Gingrich has, what, two divorces now? That could be a problem with the religious right. Romney’s Mormonism could also be trouble. Don’t discount guys like Tim Pawlenty and Mitch Daniels. Solid conservative credentials with potential mass appeal.

Hugo

“DAMN, I want some of what Azarkhan is smoking!

That has GOT to be some kind shit!”

You can pick up a can of Scotch Guard at most supermarkets.

“And the GOP runs a similar risk of becoming split between the Tea Party and the Establishment.”

Do you work for Huffington Post or Daily Kos? Just kidding. No, the party will not be spilt. Sarah Palin is far too shrewd for that. She is a Republican who is bent on energizing the party and returning it to its conservative Reagan/Goldwater roots. BTW, Michele Bachmann, a Palin ally and Tea Party diva, has introduced the Tea Party caucus in Congress. Democrats may dream of a split, but it will not happen.

“Is that something she is willing to do and also capable of doing?”

Read my previous posts. Watch the videos-decide for yourself. Word of advice, don’t rely on the netroots for info on Sarah Palin. Occasionally I wander over the Huffington Post and I can’t believe how they just don’t understand Sarah Palin. It’s always the usual talking point smears. It behooves anyone to know their enemy, and they clearly don’t.

Ha. No, I don’t. And I also pay no attention to the netroots.

I think the videos and her speeches prove without question that she can rally the base. That is a far cry from winning over the moderate and independent voters who currently do not like her. How does she win their support without alienating the Tea Party/conservative base?

Reagan would not stand a chance in 2012. Far too moderate. Goldwater is another story as far as moderation is concerned.

paulmdoro said:
I don’t think Huckabee has a chance. Too extreme. Gingrich has, what, two divorces now? That could be a problem with the religious right. Romney’s Mormonism could also be trouble. Don’t discount guys like Tim Pawlenty and Mitch Daniels. Solid conservative credentials with potential mass appeal.

All great points with merit for sure. Esp Pawlenty. Upper mid-west is a major plus for him

Sarah Palin could not even take Kate Plus Eight camping without asking her Dad and Brother to go along to answer the kids’ difficult questions. She said on the Oprah show that she wouldn’t go hunting unless she asked her dad what type of ammunition to buy. She cannot cook moose stew or chili, unless she goes to the local restaurant and buys it and then puts it in her casserole dishes to look like she made it. Her biggest expenses on her PAC are for consultation fees and for speech writers and former newsmen to write her Facebook and Twitter comments. She spent less than two weeks writing her book with a ghost writer, because she didn’t have more depth of character or knowledge–and she didn’t even know that Rogue was not a compliment–neither was Baracuda. Now tell me again why you would think that Sarah Palin could get elected? She appeals to people who are eager to have a woman President, those who think that shooting animals from a plane shows that she is fearless; and those who believe that if you say you are a Christian, money should be thrown your way. Sarah Palin may be dumb–but she isn’t stupid. She will milk the system to get all the money she can NOW and then never run for Presidency because she knows she couldn’t handle the pressure. It is so much easier to criticize and pretend that you know everything–and then not to open your mouth and answer actual questions and prove to the world that you know nothing.

My dog has a better chance of becoming President than she does…..an he eats his own shit”

Damn, is that how barry did it?

really just hilarious here’s a clue- the GOP IS ALREADY SPLIT.

Azarkhan has pretty much already admited as much saying that Palin is against the GOP establishment-throw that in with over 100 different Tea ‘party groups who all can’t agree on a single platform never mind the getting to the tea party ghost cacus which was just a big photo op for republicans. did you notice how there were no repsentatives from the actual tea party-just politicians trying to cash in on a brand. Bachmann is the fool who said the Cacus represents the tea party but does not speak foor the tea party? Oh come on people the politcal dynamics of splintered grass roots third parties never works. Case in point Perot- and now even more recent Tancredo going constitution party!

The only GOP candidate who was worth a darn-executive experience and a former FULL TERM GOVERNOR
was Mitt Romney but the social frank of conservatism even bucked a Limbaugh endorsement and sent him packing because he was a mormon. In the words of GOP pundit Dick Morris-the bigots in the GOP will never vote for a mormon a sPOTUS. Seems for once Morris was right.

The GOP has big problems but it is fun to watch the myopic midgets whistle past the grave yard.

Bootleghaircut said:
You can pick up a can of Scotch Guard at most supermarkets.

I understand.

Nothing as benign as weed could have such an effect on the brain.

“How does she win their support”

Sarah Palin stands for ethical government, fiscal responsibility, family, patriotism, American exceptionalism, individual freedom, and some other stuff I can’t think of right now.

If you think that moderates and independents don’t believe in that, then she has no chance. I happen to think they do.

BTW, Palin is not some hard core family values Jerry Falwell. One of her biggest supporters is Tammy Bruce, formerly leader of LA chapter of NOW and a lesbian. They had a great conversation when Palin called into her radio show. Sarah invited Tammy to Alaska to work out with her yoga instructor.

Gotta run-bye!

http://www.palintv.com/2010/06/09/governor-palin-talks-to-tammy-bruce/

“Reagan would not stand a chance in 2012. Far too moderate”

One last thing-Reagan always had a Democratic House and only had a Republican Senate for a few years.
Moderate or practical?

Actually, Palin is the one libs want to run against Obama. It’s not reverse psychology or any of that. Put it simply, she only appeals to the conservative base. The “Anyone but…” camps forget that very important assessment. Independents don’t like ideology. They are open to either side’s arguments and they have to make a decision on who they feel will help the country, not just their base. Obama won in 2008 because he appealed to moderates first, then to his base. McCain had the moderates until Palin joined the race. Then the wheels came off his bus, and he lost the moderates (though a part of that was also the economy, but certainly have such a high end conservative on your ticket didn’t help matters.). If you are a part of the base, then of course you want to see the representation of that base get in there. But you lose sight on the final product. Romney right now is the best choice to beat Obama in 2012 as of now. If Jeb can get over his last name, then he’s got a real shot at doing it as well. Jeb appeals more to moderates than G.W. did. Palin would be a mistake for Republicans. And I think, deep down, she knows that as well. It will be interesting to see if she runs.

Azarkhan said:
“How does she win their support”

Sarah Palin stands for ethical government, fiscal responsibility, family, patriotism, American exceptionalism, individual freedom, and some other stuff I can’t think of right now.

If you think that moderates and independents don’t believe in that, then she has no chance. I happen to think they do.

http://www.palintv.com/2010/06/09/governor-palin-talks-to-tammy-bruce/

This is typical political-speak and totally generic. I know some conservatives have a hard time believing or understanding this, but Democrats/liberals are patriotic and believe in family, the greatness of America, freedom, and ethical government. Palin will have to do better than that to win moderates and independents.

Bootleghaircut said:
The only GOP candidate who was worth a darn-executive experience and a former FULL TERM GOVERNOR
was Mitt Romney but the social frank of conservatism even bucked a Limbaugh endorsement and sent him packing because he was a mormon. In the words of GOP pundit Dick Morris-the bigots in the GOP will never vote for a mormon a sPOTUS. Seems for once Morris was right.

That’s a far more significant problem than most people seem to think, or are willing to admit. His 2008 run was pretty much disastrous. Warren Jeffs won his appeal in Utah today and will be retried. He is going to be tried in Texas on separate charges as soon as Utah is finished with him. There is a world of difference between Romney and Jeffs, to be sure, but I think many people are simply put off by all of this.

Romney could not carry Texas in a general election, in part because of some of the recent legal problems on some LDS compounds.

While we talk (or listen, ad nauseum) to Republicans beating President Obama, I just don’t see that. There is no a strong candidate out there. Whether Mormonism (the Mitt), Bush fatigue (Jebbers), Hucksterism (Huckleberry), Pride in Ignorance (the Drop Out Governor), Sexual Depravity (the Newt) or any of a number of other problems, the GOP is bereft of talent at the national level. And, now, Pawlenty lacks the gravitas to carry the water.

FOX NEWS: WE NEVER PERMIT A HALF TRUTH. THE WHOLE LIE AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE LIE.

Azarkhan said:
“Reagan would not stand a chance in 2012. Far too moderate”

One last thing-Reagan always had a Democratic House and only had a Republican Senate for a few years.
Moderate or practical?

Some of each I suspect, but the fact remains he’d fail the conservative litmus test some GOPers were proposing not too long ago.

Penguin60 said:
My dog has a better chance of becoming President than she does…..an he eats his own shit”

Damn, is that how barry did it?

No he did it by winning the majority of casted votes in the country. Something Governor Bimbo will never do…..

paulmdoro said:
Sarah Palin stands for ethical government, fiscal responsibility, family, patriotism, American exceptionalism, individual freedom, and some other stuff I can’t think of right now.

I wouldn’t push the ethical government and family values “stuff” too far, and I’d lay off the fiscal responsibility argument altogether. A large number of ethical complaints filed, a number sustained against her and one sustained against Todd, being forced to reimburse Alaska for flying her children around at state expense, paying deliquent taxes for her bogus housing reimbursement, all of the many problems with and surrounding her children (the details of which are well known but which discretion dictates we not further discuss), all make mincemeat of your feeble statement.

FOX NEWS: WE NEVER PERMIT A HALF TRUTH. THE WHOLE LIE AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE LIE.

King-

Pawlenty’s been trying to get people to notice him nationally for years-WITH NO
SUCCESS. He jumped the shark when he conflated his golf game with tiger woods
and big government. What a stooge!

Frankly there is only two republicans to fear: One is Paul Ryan because if the GOP were
serious about budget cutting and using his blueprint they would actually be bringing
an idea to the table and we all know how Boehner and McConnel and Cantor are fleeing
from any hard positions.

the other: John Thune. a true blue fiscal and social conseravtive who has managed to communicate
his views without using hyper partisan rhetoric or playing Palin patriot games-he’s one of the last of
the real deals who knows how to govern without the need to constantly piss over his opposition
or scream “armageddon” every time a bill that he doesn’t like gets passed. If McCain had chose him
as his running mate he might very well be POTUS today.

Ah, I didn’t say those things about Sarah Palin. But your point is a valid one.

Bootleghaircut said:
King-

Pawlenty’s been trying to get people to notice him nationally for years-WITH NO
SUCCESS. He jumped the shark when he conflated his golf game with tiger woods
and big government. What a stooge!

Frankly there is only two republicans to fear: One is Paul Ryan because if the GOP were
serious about budget cutting and using his blueprint they would actually be bringing
an idea to the table and we all know how Boehner and McConnel and Cantor are fleeing
from any hard positions.

the other: John Thune. a true blue fiscal and social conseravtive who has managed to communicate
his views without using hyper partisan rhetoric or playing Palin patriot games-he’s one of the last of
the real deals who knows how to govern without the need to constantly piss over his opposition
or scream “armageddon” every time a bill that he doesn’t like gets passed. If McCain had chose him
as his running mate he might very well be POTUS today.

Ryan and Thune could be formidable if they can get more national attention. Ryan is a young guy and pretty popular with Republicans in Wisconsin.

Azarkhan said:
“How does she win their support”

Sarah Palin stands for ethical government, fiscal responsibility, family, patriotism, American exceptionalism, individual freedom, and some other stuff I can’t think of right now.

If you think that moderates and independents don’t believe in that, then she has no chance. I happen to think they do.

BTW, Palin is not some hard core family values Jerry Falwell. One of her biggest supporters is Tammy Bruce, formerly leader of LA chapter of NOW and a lesbian. They had a great conversation when Palin called into her radio show. Sarah invited Tammy to Alaska to work out with her yoga instructor.

Gotta run-bye!

http://www.palintv.com/2010/06/09/governor-palin-talks-to-tammy-bruce/

I think we need more specifics. Palin has utilized the sound bite to her advantage, sure, but what specifically does she plan to get those things into place. paulmdoro hit on some of the things I was thinking, which asserted to So, Democrats are anti these things? I forgot about Huckabee. I know no one will support him, but it’s too bad. I like him. I’m not too into his politics, but he’s willing to have discussions about them. And he’s the only politician I’ve seen go on the daily show and discuss conservative views not as sound bites, but as serious debate, and never goes on the attack against Jon but has a real, honest to God, no name calling debate. I like that.

Permatiltx Independents don’t like ideology. They are open to either side’s arguments and they have to make a decision on who they feel will help the country, not just their base..

Exactly. We neither like nor are beholden to ideology. We don’t vote on ideology. We don’t care what religious affiliation anyone is, how many divorces they may have, blah,blah.

Both hard core conservative and progressives, if they truly are politically savvy, know what you can not win based solely on ideology and your base.

If some one cant bridge that gap, they can’t win presidential general elections.

No he did it by winning the majority of casted and fraudulent votes in the country. Something Governor Bimbo will never do…..

There fixed it for you. Are you sure he doesn’t follow your dogs lead? Seems like a trend on the left, look at all the dogshit that gets regurgitated here from that side

Huckabee can come across as modest and personable, but make no mistake, he has very extreme views that will prevent him from becoming president.

“Ryan is a young guy and pretty popular with Republicans in Wisconsin.”

That a nickle won’t get you a cup of coffee when the GOP leadership is intent
on not using your ideas and keeping you locked in a closet-that’s where
Ryan is nationally right now. Hence why he went on MSNBC because
FOX can’t have his kind of talk upsetting Boehner/McConnell and the
rest of the establishment-why? Because they’ve never been serious
about the budget and they know it. In the words of Dick Cheney-

“DEFICITS DON’T MATTER.”

Yeah, there’s NO split in the GOP. OK people, sure.

There are three groups contributing to a Presidential Election win in the USA.
The Left, the Right and the Middle.

Winning is simple all you have to do is win 2 out of the 3.

Sarah Palin has tremendous support from the Right but does not have the other 2 so she will never win an election for President.

Criticizing her speech, cheat notes written on her hand or dumb comments made from time to time will take all the focus away from Obama and he will win a second term.

Permatiltx said:
but he’s willing to have discussions about them. And he’s the only politician I’ve seen go on the daily show and discuss conservative views not as sound bites, but as serious debate, and never goes on the attack against Jon but has a real, honest to God, no name calling debate. I like that.

I highly respect Huckabee for that reason as well. I, too, am not into his politics, but he is genuine in his open and honest discussion about serious and thoughtful discussion about the issues facing our country.

He doesn’t do the sound bite or name calling

I personally am getting really bored with Paln’s “lamestream media” rhetoric. Really bored.

I think Palin is FAR too much of a risk. I’d like to see either Tom Tancredo or John Cornyn (R-Tx) running for President.

You want to know what Huck’s “extreme views” are?

Seems he raised taxes as governor to build roads-Sean Hannity
only mentioned that a billion times during the election cycle.

Like HW Bush he has broken the cardinal law of Grover Norquist

NEVER RAISE TAXES.

That’s all the GOP needs to knock him out. End of story.

And hey Romney has new problem bigger than his religion-Romneycare.

So scratch him off the list.

Bootleghaircut said:
You want to know what Huck’s “extreme views” are?

Seems he raised taxes as governor to build roads-Sean Hannity
only mentioned that a billion times during the election cycle.

Like HW Bush he has broken the cardinal law of Grover Norquist

NEVER RAISE TAXES.

That’s all the GOP needs to knock him out. End of story.

And hey Romney has new problem bigger than his religion-Romneycare.

So scratch him off the list.

Extreme for the GOP I suppose.

“I think Palin is FAR too much of a risk. I’d like to see either Tom Tancredo or John Cornyn (R-Tx) running for President.”

TOM TANCREDO???????? WTF????

“Extreme for the GOP I suppose”.

EXACTLY

Bootleghaircut said:
You want to know what Huck’s “extreme views” are?

Seems he raised taxes as governor to build roads-Sean Hannity
only mentioned that a billion times during the election cycle.

Like HW Bush he has broken the cardinal law of Grover Norquist

NEVER RAISE TAXES.

That’s all the GOP needs to knock him out. End of story.

And hey Romney has new problem bigger than his religion-Romneycare.

So scratch him off the list.

You know, bootleg, you make a good point. The Republican desire to appeal to its conservative base could shoot them in the foot for trying to find a strong candidate that will appeal to independents. Right now, the best shot that the Republicans have at winning in 2012 is if the economy doesn’t recover. And that right there is the problem with having a two party ideological system. The Repubs cannot approve anything that will help. It will hurt them in 2012. Thus, their own political gain is more important than the welfare of the country. Not to say that the Dems are free of this. I’m sure they cursed themselves when the Iraqi surge worked. After all, if the economy hadn’t tanked, then McCain may have made it into office just on the success of the surge had on the Iraq War.

Of course the libbies are hoping whomever is the weakest candidate will be nominated. How else could they win while touting Obama’s record?

“The Republican desire to appeal to its conservative base could shoot them in the foot for trying to find a strong candidate that will appeal to independents”

Actually that was more Paul’s point with Litmus tests and he’s right-Reagan could not pass the
criteria that the rabid right wing base is looking for.

“And that right there is the problem with having a two party ideological system. The Repubs cannot approve anything that will help. It will hurt them in 2012.”

Now only can they not approve-they have to obstruct and then promise repeal. Watch for healthcare
repeal to come back up in an unpleasant way-sure enough GOP candidates will be forced to deal
with the issue since it was “armageddon” and all. the GOP has painted itself into a corner while
at the same time driving non-ideological purists into the wilds where they don’t become dems
or independents-they just don’t vote. Last election many said they would hold their nose to vote for McCain
now that will not be a platable option.

“After all, if the economy hadn’t tanked, then McCain may have made it into office just on the success of the surge had on the Iraq War.”

Very possible.

WOW

A post from “writer” that doesn’t mention race, reverend wright, louis farahkan, or
convicts!!!!!

Be still my heart.

Sarah Palin is poised for a 2012 landslide win. Take a look at TMZ today at the story about her fishing earlier this month when she encounters a bear with her cubs. I suspect some of the liberals in here were commenting in there as well.

In summary, there are sorry that the bear didn’t kill her, LOL. As if the rest of us needed a daily lesson in love and tolerance which only the liberals can provide.

Historically, when the GOP runs candidates that are supported by some Republicans and some Democrats (like McCain, snorefest), the candidate loses.

If they run a candidate that energizes all Republicans and draws death-wish ire from the left (Palin or Reagan), the candidate wins.

Palin will have endorsed 60 candidates by the time November rolls around. Assuming only half win their general elections, this means she’ll have 30 political favors (endorsements) to cash in on in 2012.

Plus, Obama is a rotten President and things are a mess. Realistically, the GOP could run Bugs Bunny in 2012 and win.

Bootleghaircut said:
King- Pawlenty’s been trying to get people to notice him nationally for years-WITH NOSUCCESS. He jumped the shark when he conflated his golf game with tiger woodsand big government. What a stooge! Frankly there is only two republicans to fear: One is Paul Ryan because if the GOP wereserious about budget cutting and using his blueprint they would actually be bringingan idea to the table and we all know how Boehner and McConnel and Cantor are fleeingfrom any hard positions. the other: John Thune. a true blue fiscal and social conseravtive who has managed to communicatehis views without using hyper partisan rhetoric or playing Palin patriot games-he’s one of the last ofthe real deals who knows how to govern without the need to constantly piss over his oppositionor scream “armageddon” every time a bill that he doesn’t like gets passed. If McCain had chose himas his running mate he might very well be POTUS today.

You are correct about Ryan and Thune. Ryan is a person form whom I have a great deal of respect. I disagree with many of his views, but they are coherent and heart-felt. You can’t say that about many Republicans, in or out of office. I personally find Thune a bit off-putting.

FOX NEWS: WE NEVER PERMIT A HALF TRUTH. THE WHOLE LIE AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE LIE.

Steve, again, “Anyone But Blank” has been a losing slogan for Democrats and Republicans in recent presidential elections. It doesn’t matter how much you think liberals hate her. That does not prove national electability. Palin has energized a segment of Republicans but not all of them. Establishment Republicans have been far more leery of embracing her, and some are downright openly hostile. She is more Goldwater than Reagan at this point.

Kaffa said:
I think Palin is FAR too much of a risk. I’d like to see either Tom Tancredo or John Cornyn (R-Tx) running for President.

I haven’t laughed so hard since this morning’s FOX & Friends. Cornyn? You’re kidding? A pure opportunist and nothing more. We Texans used to have senators who took care of their constituents. Hutchinson takes care of her hair, and Cornyn takes care of his own billfold. Nothing more. Cornyn wears like cheap underwear after the the third washing.

I can’t believe you said that.

FOX NEWS: WE NEVER PERMIT A HALF TRUTH. THE WHOLE LIE AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE LIE.

Steve Flesher said:
Historically, when the GOP runs candidates that are supported by some Republicans and some Democrats (like McCain, snorefest), the candidate loses.

Where does Nixon fit into those crackpot analysis? W? Both has substantial Democratic support and were a bit weak with Republicans.

Go back to the drawing board.

FOX NEWS: WE NEVER PERMIT A HALF TRUTH. THE WHOLE LIE AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE LIE.

Paul you are not paying attention. So who do you suggest? Another McCain? Another Dole?

NO!

No more boring establishment bores that accomplish nothing for the people.

76% of the Republican party (according to the recent Gallup) hold Sarah Palin as their most favorable of the 2012 contenders with Romney/Huckabee/and Gingrich all trailing.

You obviously aren’t listening to us either. Establishment Republicans are just as bad as liberals are when their effectiveness only hinders progress for private Americans.

I’ve read this site for a while.

Real Royal King is a militant Palin commenter and people like this who obsess over her tell me precisely why 2012 is hers to control. 2010 and 2012 are going to be in the hands of people who can prove a bipatrisanship effort to take down corruption, to slash taxes, to grow economy. Palin has all three of those. Obama has a speech he gave in 2005, a mediocre grade record from Columbia, an unreleased (but liberal-impressive) record of intellectualism at Harvard, and a history of catering to special interests like ACORN.

Nixon does not fit into the analysis because Palin and Reagan were unlike any of the Republicans you mentioned. When liberals scream like you do — especially when the nation is falling under B Hussein Obama — you don’t have credibility because you voted for the clown!

That’s what normal Americans are thinking. And here you are again, telling us how Palin won’t do it and can’t do it and watching heads like yours explode in 2012 will make it all worth it.

I am not making candidate suggestions. I am strictly talking about Palin and her electability. In that same poll you reference Palin has more detractors than supporters amongst all Americans. That is not a good sign.

Steve Flesher said:

That’s what normal Americans are thinking.

Not all “normal” Americans think the same, and no one speaks for all “normal” Americans.

“Obama has a speech he gave in 2005, a mediocre grade record from Columbia, an unreleased (but liberal-impressive) record of intellectualism at Harvard, and a history of catering to special interests like ACORN.”

and by 2012 he will have served his entire term of POTUS without resigning-by that time technically Obama
will have far more executiv experience. Secondly name one national bi-partisan effort palin has been involved
in? None. And laslty sympathy generating articles from TMZ do no an election win.

And once again everybody notice the comment about being against
establishment reoublicans?

Yeah-the GOP is not divided. Sure.

If a history of catering to special interests should bar someone from being president there will be no one able to run. Also, I’m pretty sure other presidents have had “mediocre grades” as well, including a very recent one. Those are not legitimate criticisms.

and here is a sample of the Palin effect which confirms an earlier hypothesis about
indenpendent voters.

Palin might be good at tossing out the red meat but not at relating to postions or
people outside her party

“Sarah Palin’s endorsement of Republican candidate Kelly Ayotte in the race for U.S. Senate in New Hampshire may have adversely affected the conservative contender’s campaign.

A new survey from Public Policy Polling finds that Ayotte has experienced diminished support from moderate voters since the ex-Alaska Governor issued a statement of support for her candidacy.

An excerpt of analysis from PPP:

The Palin endorsement may well be playing a role in this. 51% of voters in the state say they’re less likely to back a Palin endorsed candidate to only 26% who say that support would make them more inclined to vote for someone. Among moderates that widens to 65% who say a Palin endorsement would turn them off to 14% who it would make more supportive.
The polling organization notes that 47 percent of New Hampshire voters identify as moderates — comprising the largest voting bloc in the state:

[Democratic candidate Paul] Hodes’ lead with them has expanded from just 8 points at 47-39 in April to now 21 points at 51-30. Ayotte’s favorability with them has gone from +5 at 32/27 to -19 at 27/46.”

Yes! Kill-crazy Palin would be great! Shooting wolves from helicopters adorned with “Jesus Is My Co-Pilot” bumper stickers. The most insulting caricature of female empowerment in modern history, who knows not a single substantive thing about American domestic or foreign policy. Counting on Wasillans & other hayshakers & woodchuck Repugs to protect her from demonic forces and witches and condoms and gays and even Charles Darwin. To say nothing of blood-drenched sex orgies and Lucifer his own self. Speaking in tongues while staring out at…Russia. This is 2010. Sarah’s pretty well centered in modern Murcuhn lore.

Every Democrat is jumping up and down with the idea of Palin running as the GOP Candidate

She is unable to speak 2-3 sentences without cue-cards because she is so stupid.

Her responses as VP were so shocking to just about everyone because of how idiotic and rambling she sounded

When more of the country sees her debating someone and getting embarrassed, Obama will rout her for the 2nd time

Bootleghaircut said:
and here is a sample of the Palin effect which confirms an earlier hypothesis about
indenpendent voters.

Palin might be good at tossing out the red meat but not at relating to postions or
people outside her party

“Sarah Palin’s endorsement of Republican candidate Kelly Ayotte in the race for U.S. Senate in New Hampshire may have adversely affected the conservative contender’s campaign.

A new survey from Public Policy Polling finds that Ayotte has experienced diminished support from moderate voters since the ex-Alaska Governor issued a statement of support for her candidacy.

An excerpt of analysis from PPP:

The Palin endorsement may well be playing a role in this. 51% of voters in the state say they’re less likely to back a Palin endorsed candidate to only 26% who say that support would make them more inclined to vote for someone. Among moderates that widens to 65% who say a Palin endorsement would turn them off to 14% who it would make more supportive.
The polling organization notes that 47 percent of New Hampshire voters identify as moderates — comprising the largest voting bloc in the state:

[Democratic candidate Paul] Hodes’ lead with them has expanded from just 8 points at 47-39 in April to now 21 points at 51-30. Ayotte’s favorability with them has gone from +5 at 32/27 to -19 at 27/46.”

Exactly. Palin doesn’t play everywhere. Republican voters in the Northeast are more moderate than most other regions. See Maine for current example.

Paul none of the criticisms against Palin are legitimate. It’s easy to attack Obama because of the basis which got him elected.

Obama is also disapproved of by more Americans.

Obama had approval ratings in the 60′s a year ago.
Palin was the less likely among Republicans a year ago.

The NY Times and David Brooks sure thought McCain was “electable” didn’t they?
As late of 1978, Gerald Ford himself said Reagan was “unelectable.”

Polls change, but facts do not. And as these failures among Obama materialize, the numbers turn.

LOL@ Bootle: Yes, it’s far better to continue “serving” and collecting a taxpayer funded paycheck and doing nothing, or fighting stupid ethics charges or driving the terrority into hell.

Palin’s detractors are simply enraged at her resignation not because she abandonded it, but because of the disempowerment this gave to the folks abusing the Alaska Ethics Act to file ethics charges which we mostly dismissed including wearing a jacket or having a tanning bed in her home.

What they won’t tell people is because of the waste of resources spent, the Ethics Act has been reformed to prevent this from ever happening to another public servant again.

The beauty is, the media won’t be able to dodge these facts. They will continue to come out and you’ll continue to see the turnaround. Not one Republican energizes the grassroots like Palin does. And there’s darn good reason for it.

Palin plays better than Obama does everywhere Paul. All of his candidates are zero now….he cannot promote one to win a turkey raffle let alone an election.

I honestly do not care if Palin is popular in New England. So what? Run Olympia Snowe? Will she be “moderate and educated” enough for the New Englanders?

Plus I say, let’s wait until November gets here to see how that one actually plays out. The media — as has been proven recently thanks to the Daily Caller — has been out to undermine her credibility since the beginning. This is why the media is being laughed off….

The only reason people read these articles are for the debate it creates between people.

I’m interested to see how you’ll react if even half of her endorsed candidates win this year.

You’re never going to find one candidate who wins praise across all the demographics. Nonetheless, Palin is still the most popular Republican and the most discussed among liberals who voted for Clown Obama.

In your opinion the criticisms are not legitimate. Others disagree. And I know Obama’s approval rating is poor right now. That is not the issue.

If a Democratic governor quit halfway through their first term, you can be sure the GOP would use it against them, calling them a quitter, un-American, etc.

Steve Flesher said:

You’re never going to find one candidate who wins praise across all the demographics.

True enough, but you must have wide appeal with moderates and independents. Currently she does not.

“Paul none of the criticisms against Palin are legitimate.”

THE SINGLE DUMBEST thing writen today and proof as to why Palin will not win-her fans
are unable to even remotely take a critical look at her or her performance
reagrdless of how many facts you present them.

“If a Democratic governor quit halfway through their first term, you can be sure the GOP would use it against them, calling them a quitter, un-American, etc.”

No they would be calling them a politcal genius, right steve? seems STEVE missed the post where I said ALL the charges were unfounded-which makes her even dumber to quit over false charges. who does that?

Look at charlie rangel-you got him dead to rights and he won’t budge an inch-you wish Palin has
that kind of moxie-she doesn’t even when she’s RIGHT..

NYUCK!

Steve Fleisher said
“Palin will have endorsed 60 candidates by the time November rolls around. Assuming only half win their general elections, this means she’ll have 30 political favors (endorsements) to cash in on in 2012.

Plus, Obama is a rotten President and things are a mess. Realistically, the GOP could run Bugs Bunny in 2012 and win.
_____________________________________________________________________________________

Palin traditionally endorses candidates who are already in the lead. When they win “the media” pretends Palin made that candidate. They were already winning.

As for the President being a “rotten Pres” Sure he is in “Beck, Palin, Limbaugh” world. But that “ain’t the real world”. BTW PALIN can’t poll beyond 30% in General Election Polls. She can’t speak English, she’s afraid to stop hiding behind Twitter, FB and Fox News and you think the American Public is going to elect that “lying Hack”. DEMS have so much they can use against her that they can save much of it until 2020.
I hope and pray Rethugs run her as their candidate. But they won’t because in the Back rooms they know she’s a “Sure loser” with moderates, Independents and Dems. The far Right Wing can’t elect a Pres.

yweston said:
BTW PALIN can’t poll beyond 30% in General Election Polls

That 30% number is important, and it keeps resurfacing over-and-over. It’s on target. And, when you look at states she might carry, things are even bleaker. Maybe, Kentucky and West Virginia, certainly, South Carolina, Alabama and Utah. Alaska will be a bit more difficult. She’ll lose Texas and likely lose Mississippi, Louisiana and Arkansas.

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Paul and Bootle,

It is utterly apparent (which is why she is a shoe-in) that the two of you are PURPOSELY AVOIDING the reason for her resignation. It’s like when liberals constantly say Rush Limbaugh is racist or that Ann Coulter is homophobic. Neither one is true and can be backed up, but they keep screaming it thinking that somehow the pesky facts will go away.

Well they aren’t. And unless you can find a way to skyrocket Obambi’s approvals or talk Hillary into running (even though she’s even lost her ability to energize because of all the selling out she’s done).

You cannot expect someone to keep a job as Governor who is constantly attacked with stupid ethics charges when $2M in taxpayer money and hours and days and weeks and months of state resources were spent on them and accumulating 500K is personal debt to defend yourself — all as a result of ethics law which was passed by Palin herself in an effort to hold politicians accountable — and have that abused by Palin haters who wish het death and expect her — making 123K a year to do that.

Now yes, I understand with the mediocre Obama who collects a Senate paycheck and votes present 100 times and then runs for President and asks for a promotion, he would have continued (but I guarantee he would not run in a state with such an Ethics Act). Liberals love taxpayer money. They love spending money when it isn’t theirs. They’re more inclined to feel entitled than they are to give.

So I don’t expect them to understand the idea of both governmental or personal fiscal responsibility.

IF Palin had shriveled up in a ball and did nothing after resigning, liberals would to this day be hi-fiving in jubilation.

But because it’s made her more effective is what is rotting their craws.

Meanwhile Bush and McCain like bailouts, craft amnesty for illegals, spend money like drunken sailers — then they pass it on to an even-more drunken Obama who quadruples it.

All along, Paul and David Brooks are telling us, it’s the establishments which impress people. We only need more of them, because they’ve done so well for us all these years, haven’t they?

Obama had Goldmann Sachs over his shoulders with financia regulation for a reason. He was easy on BP for a reason. His hands were in their pockets. Bush, too. Government washing and scratching backs of giant “too big to fail” industries and institutions and expecting you to believe they care about Main Street.

Meanwhile, Palin teams up with Democrats to take down Republicans taking information from the Alaska Oil and Gas Commission to oil industry insiders, re-writes the contracts with Exxon with respect to the land leases which cause great ire from oil industry executives. Then, she stuck it to them for all the price-gauging she did to Alaskans over the years and now the taxpayers are getting their money back in annual checks.

That’s common sense. That is American. Watch over your people, regulate the regulators, and keep corruption out of your government.

Bush failed to do it which discouraged conservatives and Obama is simply reminding Americans of the disasters which liberalism guarantees and Chris Dodd and Barney Frank aint far behind in providing the shame to the lie that the liberals love Americans anymore than “establishment” Republican politicians do.

Palin is the best chance of erasing that given the FACTS of her record.

yweston said:
Steve Fleisher said“Palin will have endorsed 60 candidates by the time November rolls around. Assuming only half win their general elections, this means she’ll have 30 political favors (endorsements) to cash in on in 2012. Plus, Obama is a rotten President and things are a mess. Realistically, the GOP could run Bugs Bunny in 2012 and win._____________________________________________________________________________________ Palin traditionally endorses candidates who are already in the lead. When they win “the media” pretends Palin made that candidate. They were already winning. As for the President being a “rotten Pres” Sure he is in “Beck, Palin, Limbaugh” world. But that “ain’t the real world”. BTW PALIN can’t poll beyond 30% in General Election Polls. She can’t speak English, she’s afraid to stop hiding behind Twitter, FB and Fox News and you think the American Public is going to elect that “lying Hack”. DEMS have so much they can use against her that they can save much of it until 2020.I hope and pray Rethugs run her as their candidate. But they won’t because in the Back rooms they know she’s a “Sure loser” with moderates, Independents and Dems. The far Right Wing can’t elect a Pres.

Nonsense:

Look up Karen Handel and Nikki Haley.

From an AP story:

But part of her explanation for resigning — that she was dogged by critics who cost her state millions in legal fees — will be a liability for her if she seeks the White House, (Mike) Huckabee said.

“Well, if that had been the case for me, I’d have quit about my first month, because I was a Republican governor in a state where 89 percent of my legislature were Democrats,” Huckabee said. “Been there, done that.”

Conservatives love taxpayer money as well Steve. For example, I have numerous conservative relatives on welfare. They would not have a roof over their heads without the monthly checks.

“You cannot expect someone to keep a job as Governor who is constantly attacked with stupid ethics charges when $2M in taxpayer money and hours and days and weeks and months of state resources were spent on them and accumulating 500K is personal debt to defend yourself — all as a result of ethics law which was passed by Palin herself in an effort to hold politicians accountable — and have that abused by Palin haters who wish het death and expect her — making 123K a year to do that.”

Ever heard of legal defense fund? Are you saying she couldn’t have raised the money? That doesn’t seem likely since her pac raised a cool mill easy. Seems like you just want to make excuses for her not
being able to take the heat. Its ok-its what Palin fans o all day long -make excuse after excuse and
nothing is ever her fault. We get that. Bottom line-only a fool quits when they are in the right and that’s what she did. On the other hand this proves she should not be POTUS because you wouldn’t want her to be in aposition where she may have to spend federal tax dollars to fight off attacks.

“Meanwhile, Palin teams up with Democrats to take down Republicans taking information from the Alaska Oil and Gas Commission to oil industry insiders, re-writes the contracts with Exxon with respect to the land leases which cause great ire from oil industry executives. Then, she stuck it to them for all the price-gauging she did to Alaskans over the years and now the taxpayers are getting their money back in annual checks.”

So she’s a socialist who demonized the very industry that helped made her popular and now Alaskans
who don’t work get free oil money. Will this plan go nationwide? I will vote for her if every American get a
piece of the oil pie! sounds like a wondeful idea. Do you think she will run on that?

NYUCK

First Paul, just how much did Huckabee actually receive in ethics complaints and please give me the statute which is equivalent to the Alaska Ethics Act which allowed Arkansans to do the same thing Palin provided Alaskans with the ability of doing.

NONE. He hasn’t “Been there.” He still isn’t which is why Palin tops him in the GALLUP poll. He isn’t half the man she is. Even with his show in Fox, he’s a nobody in comparison to her popularity and ability to drive the left crazy.

Who the heck is talking about welfare? If people arein need, so what?

So now, is it your argument that Palin is against welfare or me for that matter? Wanting it reformed and endorsing policies which lower taxes for all people who are responsible for investing, creating jobs, explanding industries, and raising wealth needed for those very same social services is not a valid assertion.

So I don’t know why you bring that up. I can only assume that your relatives need help for one reason or another. But if they “conservative” I guarantee it isn’t because they feel “entitled” to it.

That’s the difference.

Thanks Bootieman….you made the point yourself using old smooth Charlie. Why do you think the dims are chanting in unison for him to resign? Need a hint?

THAT’S why Sarah ‘quit’ and that doesn’t make her a quitter. It makes her loyal and selfless.

Any thinking person out here in the real world knows that.

I’m sure you’re not one of those idiots who have been beating that same drum for almost 2 years now…..Sarah will fade into the woodwork….Sarah is irrelevant…..Sarah will crawl back to Alaska and never be heard from again… Sarah Sarah Sarah.

Those idiots have been wrong wrong wrong but they still keep repeating their fondest wish. Funny they don’t stop to think….as they pretend to wish for “more Sarah”….. that they were the ones that predicted that she would be forgotten by now. Any other predicitions geniuses?

Wrong then and wrong now, but keep repeating it and perhaps you can convince yourselves….just like the “N” word at the Capitol Tea Party….those BIG LIES are high maintenance.

It doesn’t matter anyway, the ‘divided republicans’ will look like Bill Russel’s Celtics compared to what happens to the dims when Hillary runs for the (D) nomination.

THANKS OBOZO FOR RELIEVING ME OF THE WEIGHT OF ‘THE WORST PREZ IN HISTORY’ SANDWICH SIGN. Jimmy Carter

“Ever heard of legal defense fund? Are you saying she couldn’t have raised the money? That doesn’t seem likely since her pac raised a cool mill easy. Seems like you just want to make excuses for her not
being able to take the heat. Its ok-its what Palin fans o all day long -make excuse after excuse and
nothing is ever her fault. We get that. Bottom line-only a fool quits when they are in the right and that’s what she did. On the other hand this proves she should not be POTUS because you wouldn’t want her to be in aposition where she may have to spend federal tax dollars to fight off attacks. ”

LOL, yes and didn’t liberals file a complaint about the legal defense fund, too?

That solves one part of the problem, how about the other part?

How about the $2M in public taxpayer money used to prosecute and investigate no matter how stupid the charges were? How do you or Obama stop that?

They never would have stopped with them. No politician in the history of this country was attacked like that.

You mentioned taxpayer money Steve, and said liberals love it. I pointed out that it is hardly just liberals who love taxpayer money, and welfare is an example of that. I know many conservatives who love welfare. They certainly do feel entitled to it. They are all capable of working but choose not to.

I am not saying Huckabee was a good governor or would make a good president. I’m not a fan. But he was governor for quite a while and dealt with a lot of criticism. He didn’t throw in the towel and quit after half a term. The defense of her quitting is lame and weak.

“How about the $2M in public taxpayer money used to prosecute and investigate no matter how stupid the charges were? How do you or Obama stop that?”

So you’re saying a few liberals managed to run a 2 million dollar tab and get her to quit? Careful pal
don’t you think that WAS THEIR PLAN????? She’s out of their hair now!

Besides her REPUBLICAN opponents will cruicify her on this point not because the want to
but because they want to win and she”s already shown her achillies heel to the GOP.

“No politician in the history of this country was attacked like that.”

I knew you weren’t a student of history.

Now where can I get some of that socialist oil money? Hey people Palin has set it up that if you need
a free check on the oil industry just move on up!!!! NOTHING SOCIALIST ABOUT THAT!

“But part of her explanation for resigning — that she was dogged by critics who cost her state millions in legal fees — will be a liability for her if she seeks the White House, (Mike) Huckabee”

Sarah Palin told the truth about being harrassed by frivolous ethics complaints and being close to bankruptcy because of lawyer’s fees. Her resignation will not hurt her at all in the Republican primary. Compared to the white males she will face (Huckabee? Please. He’s so boring I can’t even watch his TV show) she is incandescent, someone who Republican primary voters will be energized to support. Furthermore, those voters will not take kindly to any of the male candidates who run a dirty campaign against “Sarah”. (I believe Romney just found that out)

The general election will be different. But the exposure of the Journolist conspiracy will give Palin some protection against the “quitter” tag. However, I don’t think her resignation will hurt her that much. She quit to mobilize the people against the Obama-Pelosi-Reid agenda. She has been tireless in doing so. Furthermore, many of her so-called controversial positions, like wanting to secure the border or opposing the Ground Zero mosque, are supported by the majority of Americans. If Obama’s popularity is as low in 2012 as it is now, the campaign will be a referendum on his performance as President, not Sarah Palin’s resignation.

“The general election will be different. But the exposure of the Journolist conspiracy will give Palin some protection against the “quitter” tag.”

Wrong. They have nothing to do with each other. Sorry charlie.

“Furthermore, those voters will not take kindly to any of the male candidates who run a dirty campaign against “Sarah”. (I believe Romney just found that out)”

As i said earlier-any republican who dares to critque her infantile majesty will pay a price regardless
of the legitimacy of the critique.

It’s amazing how much logic one puts forth and how much people like Bootleg avoid it.

They don’t care about the substance, they are obsessed about the results. But it’s sad for them others are leaving their game.

“True enough, but you must have wide appeal with moderates and independents. Currently she does not.”

The same could have been said of Barack Obama in 2007. If the election were being held today, the above statement would mean something. Since the election is over two years away, the above statement means nothing.

You mean logic like this?

“Paul none of the criticisms against Palin are legitimate.”

funny but that line sounds a bit like…

“They don’t care about the substance, they are obsessed about the results”

I think you’re done. Nice to meet another Palin-socialist though!

“The same could have been said of Barack Obama in 2007. If the election were being held today, the above statement would mean something. Since the election is over two years away, the above statement means nothing.”

I love how now suddenly any speculation is irrelavent. that’s a fun game to play let’s try it on this-

“Furthermore, many of her so-called controversial positions, like wanting to secure the border or opposing the Ground Zero mosque, are supported by the majority of Americans.”

Since the election is two years away the above statement is meaningless. Yup that felt good
and re-assuring.

NYUCK

Bootleg, the logic to my position is very well explained, you just keep ignorning it, which is your problem and not mine.

There is no logic to the criticisms. Unless you are talking about a bad Couric interview when she was being pulled strings from a failing McCain campaign. Palin came in and they understandably became very jealous when the VP candidate wound up carrying the entirety of a ticket’s momentum on their shoulders.

Bootleg, you don’t even argue cleverly.

I find it odd that it’s the least clever who feel entitled to create delusions of Palin-shortcomings.

Former Florida GOP Gov. Jeb Bush said Tuesday that he is “not running” for president in 2012.

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Azarkhan said:
“But part of her explanation for resigning — that she was dogged by critics who cost her state millions in legal fees — will be a liability for her if she seeks the White House, (Mike) Huckabee”

Sarah Palin told the truth about being harrassed by frivolous ethics complaints and being close to bankruptcy because of lawyer’s fees. Her resignation will not hurt her at all in the Republican primary. Compared to the white males she will face (Huckabee? Please. He’s so boring I can’t even watch his TV show) she is incandescent, someone who Republican primary voters will be energized to support. Furthermore, those voters will not take kindly to any of the male candidates who run a dirty campaign against “Sarah”. (I believe Romney just found that out)

The general election will be different. But the exposure of the Journolist conspiracy will give Palin some protection against the “quitter” tag. However, I don’t think her resignation will hurt her that much. She quit to mobilize the people against the Obama-Pelosi-Reid agenda. She has been tireless in doing so. Furthermore, many of her so-called controversial positions, like wanting to secure the border or opposing the Ground Zero mosque, are supported by the majority of Americans. If Obama’s popularity is as low in 2012 as it is now, the campaign will be a referendum on his performance as President, not Sarah Palin’s resignation.

Journolist didn’t make Sarah Palin quit…you imbecile. The bitch wanted to make money by capitalizing on her newly found fame. Everyone but you and your mom knows that.

WOW. Nasty Nasty. Why the animosity? Y’all love Sarah, right? Why would you call her the ‘B’ word?

By all accounts on this thread, she’s everything you hope for. She can’t win.

You should be promoting her!

If Palin runs its a big win for liberals-

And her sure and certain landslide defeat would be an even bigger win for the Country.

Exactly. So we agree. GO SARAH! You are the best thing that ever happened to Obowma!

Palin receiving the party nomination would clinch a Democratic victory. Her true worth isn’t running or holding office, it’s:

1. Propagandizing to people that believe in things such as “a real America” and death panels
2. Raising money
3. Selling books and speeches at conservative events, which is partially point 1.
4. Looking damn fine for a woman her age

Bootleg, you are aware that the Royal King, whom you’re always siding with, has alternately argued that Fox News is powerful enough to sway government decisions, then practically in the same breath, argued that Fox has almost no viewers. And that’s the type of mindset you’ve chosen to side with. Wise choice, Bootleg. You’re two of a kind.

The gyration of the left is extremely humerous. For some described as stupid, a moron, idiot, they sure do spend a lot of time discussing her. The question then begs, who’s the stupid one?