Colby Wrote:
“Among the many fascinating, if not shocking, revelations that came with the report on the latest tranche of documents recently released by Wikileaks is the alleged low-level spying on United Nations diplomats encouraged by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.”

How is that shocking? This has been going on for years.

More Liberty said:
How is that shocking? This has been going on SINCE THE BEGINNING OF RECORDED TIME.

FIFY…heh..

More Liberty said:
Colby Wrote:
“Among the many fascinating, if not shocking, revelations that came with the report on the latest tranche of documents recently released by Wikileaks is the alleged low-level spying on United Nations diplomats encouraged by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.”

How is that shocking? This has been going on for years.

Indeed, it has. And, it is unacceptable.

I view this as something akin to not engaging in torture of capture combatants. One of the reasons we don’t do this, is so that we improve the chances our own combatants will not be tortured. And, it does sometimes work. We don’t have our ambassadorial staff spy because we don’t want ambassadors sent to the US to spy. It does sometimes work, as well. Start carving out exceptions for either, and the entire system collapses.

What does “low level spying” mean? Actually, that may be a reasonable action in NYC. I think a prudent government keeps an eye on foreign diplomats walking around.

The Real Royal King said:
I view this as something akin to not engaging in torture of capture combatants. One of the reasons we don’t do this, is so that we improve the chances our own combatants will not be tortured.

Yeah true. Currently when US troops are captured, they are not tortured, at least for very long. They simply have their heads cut off while being filmed.

Ignore TRRK, he’s trying to hijack the thread again.

If we don’t spy on anyone, no one will spy on us. What a lovely, kumbahyah way of viewing the world. Total bullshit, but theoretically lovely.

More Liberty said:
Yeah true. Currently when US troops are captured, they are not tortured, at least for very long. They simply have their heads cut off while being filmed.

timzank said:
Ignore TRRK, he’s trying to hijack the thread again.

writer said:
If we don’t spy on anyone, no one will spy on us. What a lovely, kumbahyah way of viewing the world. Total bullshit, but theoretically lovely.

Well, what can I say? If I said we don’t torture because that’s not where our walk with Christ leads us, you’d all argue Christ wants Muslims slain. Common sense. Notions of morality, ethics and decency. Tradition. The nobility of our purpose. None of these mean anything to any of you.

writer said:
If we don’t spy on anyone, no one will spy on us. What a lovely, kumbahyah way of viewing the world. Total bullshit, but theoretically lovely.

Yes. In this case, I agree. Spying is important because it helps avoid misunderstanding.

The Real Royal King said:
Well, what can I say? If I said we don’t torture because that’s not where our walk with Christ leads us, you’d all argue Christ wants Muslims slain. Common sense. Notions of morality, ethics and decency. Tradition. The nobility of our purpose. None of these mean anything to any of you.

I didn’t claim torture was moral, or not. I simply stated a fact. US troops don’t survive capture by Al Queda or the Taliban.

The King is equating torture with spying. Then somehow gets Muslims and Christ thrown into the mix. His rants are getting so incoherent, they could be used as code.

More Liberty said:
I didn’t claim torture was moral, or not. I simply stated a fact. US troops don’t survive capture by Al Queda or the Taliban.

And, you may be correct. I hate to see us reduced to the least common denominator, however. If we’re not the very best, then why are we fighting? Can we ever be the Shining City on the Hill if we’re not the best? I tire of those, and I exclude the present company, who are willing to diminish us.

So what does torture have to do with the fact that every country uses spying to gain useful information?

The Real Royal King said:
And, you may be correct. I hate to see us reduced to the least common denominator, however. If we’re not the very best, then why are we fighting? Can we ever be the Shining City on the Hill if we’re not the best? I tire of those, and I exclude the present company, who are willing to diminish us.

Wouldn’t the “lowest common denominator” be us cutting of heads, filming it and posting it on some website? There is a huge difference between keeping some guy awake for a few days, and desending on some captured US Marine, stabbing him repeadely, then cutting his head off.

Nope, More Liberty. To far leftists like the King, there’s moral equivalence. We’re no better than the terrorists. In fact, we’re worse.

Most of this was done under her leadership. Has she lost control of the State Department.
Anyone going to suggest she resign.

Good thing she isn’t answer phones at 3 AM as the audio will probably be on Wikileaks the next day.

More Liberty said:
Wouldn’t the “lowest common denominator” be us cutting of heads, filming it and posting it on some website? There is a huge difference between keeping some guy awake for a few days, and desending on some captured US Marine, stabbing him repeadely, then cutting his head off.

In degree, to be sure. But, both devalue human life, and if one is willing to torture another human, it is not a far stretch to killing him or her.

better.

To be honest, I’m fairly ambivalent about the leaks. Anytime powerful governmental people have their dirty laundery aired, it’s a good thing for individual liberty. It reduces the power of the state in the minds of the people, thus reducing it’s effectiveness and limiting its tyranny of the individual.

No, King. Keeping someone awake and beheading them is a far stretch. It’s only not a far stretch to you lefties who constantly bend over backwards to find moral equivalence between us and the terrorists.

writer said:
No, King. Keeping someone awake and beheading them is a far stretch. It’s only not a far stretch to you lefties who constantly bend over backwards to find moral equivalence between us and the terrorists.

Whatever ….

You’re becoming tedious again, so I’m done with you for the day.

I bid you adieu, or, as the Drop Out Governor might say, a dew.

Hah! Hah! Adieu. A dew. This guy cracks me up.

Guess you had to be there.

AMERICANS ARE BEING FOOLED!!

Who can be surprised that all this material got leaked? When you have an administration that puts former radicals and fierce critics of the United States into positions of power, and gives them security clearances and access to state secrets….Well, of course, this material will get leaked and endanger lives.

The interesting thing about these leaks is that, they sort of open a pandora’s box. There is SOOO much info.. and it’s so unexpected that neither the administration or the GOP can have a chance to shape the discussion. It’s like wikileaks threw a big wrench into our big corrupt government.

People are getting upset, but you should be excited. True information without any bias. We are actually hearing the truth for once.. I think it’s amazing.

felixw said:
Who can be surprised that all this material got leaked? When you have an administration that puts former radicals and fierce critics of the United States into positions of power, and gives them security clearances and access to state secrets….Well, of course, this material will get leaked and endanger lives.

I don’t agree with the actions WikiLeaks has done and I’m disappointed in them. I do have to agree with Mrs. Clinton that this is unacceptable, but I do have to agree with felixw that because of this administration’s incompetence, the leaks were inevitable to begin with and since they were inevitable, they will endanger a lot of lives. I don’t blame this administration for being so upset that these documents being leaked but I do blame their incompetence for not preventing the leaks of these documents

felixw said:
Who can be surprised that all this material got leaked? When you have an administration that puts former radicals and fierce critics of the United States into positions of power, and gives them security clearances and access to state secrets….Well, of course, this material will get leaked and endanger lives.

Indeed. Of course, many of the colossal leaks of recent years were in the Raygun administration. It was like the cool down after a rugby match, 12 beers per player later.

“Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton Is Not Happy With Wikileaks Release”
This is just a guess, but I don’t think Hillary’s been happy since the late ’90s.

Once again, the Obama administration looks amateurish. How stupid to put those personal attacks on world leaders in writing.

Fact: This wouldn’t happen on Ronald Reagans watch!

david r said:
Once again, the Obama administration looks amateurish. How stupid to put those personal attacks on world leaders in writing.

The stupidity wasn’t in putting it in writing, but rather in allowing someone like PFC Manning to have access to it.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: This wouldn’t happen on Ronald Reagans watch!

No? The slaughter at the Marine Barracks in Beirut did. Also, Raygun’s hiding in the White House to avoid the funerals happened during his Administration as well. He was hardly the perfect president.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: This wouldn’t happen on Ronald Reagans watch!

Iran Contra happened during his Administration.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: This wouldn’t happen on Ronald Reagans watch!

But, you’re right. The internet wasn’t around then, and if it had been, he’d never have figured out how to use a computer.

Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton Is Not Happy With Wikileaks Release

If she’s unhappy, I’m ecstatic; it means there’s something she wants to hide that would embarrass her.

Tony the Fist said:
This is just a guess, but I don’t think Hillary’s been happy since the late ’90s.

Make that since 2 days before she met slick willy.

Mostly, Hill’s unhappy the State Department’s been outed. God forbid anyone in the USA outside of government actually know what the taxpayers are – or will someday – pay for.