Some say Graham looks like Bugs Bunny , if Bugs pinned his ears back and put on a suit . I concur .

Since liberals love to use Europe as the shinning example of what to become, can you please tell show me one European country that gives away citizenship for simply being born in the country.

The illegal immigrant hysteria reminds me of Reagan’s War on Drugs. When he declared the drug war, drug use was actually on a downfall and there was no national outcry for a drug war.

Regarding illegal immigration, the number of illegals crossing over is declining and has been for some time. Also, the safety issue: “It’s the U.S.-Mexico border, and even as politicians say more federal troops are needed to fight rising violence, government data obtained by The Associated Press show it actually isn’t so dangerous after all.” From an AP story.

So if the number of illegal immigrants is down and overall the border is safe, why this demand from some corners for action now? It couldn’t possibly be politics could it? A nice wedge issue before a midterm election? Sounds about right to me.

I wonder how many other countries have that policy? As long as people entering the country aren’t committing crimes, we won’t worry about any documentation? Come and go as you please.

Yet another right-winger who cries about liberals WANTING TO DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION!

Then claims we should be repealing parts of the Constitution

I mean, huh?

DrFunke said:
Yet another right-winger who cries about liberals WANTING TO DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION!

Then claims we should be repealing parts of the Constitution

I mean, huh?

There is nothing unconstitutional about creating and repealing amendments. The actual Constitution tells you how, it’s part of the process.

DrFunke said:
Yet another right-winger who cries about liberals WANTING TO DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION!

Then claims we should be repealing parts of the Constitution

I mean, huh?

Yes, let’s get rid of all those pesky 27 amendments that were not part of the original Constitution.

Rolls eyes.

Does it meet you delicate sensiblities, Senator Graham Cracker, for Cubans to sail watercraft here to have children or for Dominicans to fly over to have children? Is it just waders to whom you object?

FROM ITS CONCEPTION,
THROUGH YOUR RECEPTION,
FOX IS PURE DECEPTION.

We don’t need to change the constitution. We just need to enforce the laws we have. But King, why are you singling out Cubans and Dominicans? You must be xenophobic.

writer said:
We don’t need to change the constitution. We just need to enforce the laws we have.

And we are:

Enemies may paint Barack Obama as soft on immigration, but his administration is actually deporting illegal immigrants in record numbers, according to the Washington Post. Immigration and Customs Enforcement estimates that it will deport 400,000 people this fiscal year, 10% more than George W. Bush sent packing in 2008 and 25% more than in 2007. It has also quadrupled the number of businesses audited on suspicion of hiring undocumented workers, doling out $6.4 million in fines.

paul, don’t let the King hear that. He’ll be calling Obama a racist xenophobe.

paulmdoro said:
And we are:

Enemies may paint Barack Obama as soft on immigration, but his administration is actually deporting illegal immigrants in record numbers, according to the Washington Post. Immigration and Customs Enforcement estimates that it will deport 400,000 people this fiscal year, 10% more than George W. Bush sent packing in 2008 and 25% more than in 2007. It has also quadrupled the number of businesses audited on suspicion of hiring undocumented workers, doling out $6.4 million in fines.

This just means that both of these two parties refuse are no different.

More Liberty said:
This just means that both of these two parties refuse are no different.

It also means the immigration furor is political posturing.

More Liberty said:
Since liberals love to use Europe as the shinning example of what to become, can you please tell show me one European country that gives away citizenship for simply being born in the country.

Your point is, of course, irrelevant, since European countries have never been considered immigrant countries as the US is. Moreover, none ot this countries have a 14th Amendment, something with which is seem unduly uncomfortable. It is rather like comparing cod fish to duvets and your premise accordingly fails. Miserably.

However, you grossly misrepresent the state of the law in major European countries. Mere birth in Germany, the UK and France entitles one to citizienship with but a few conditions, conditions which have nothing to do with the child’s entry into the respective country.

With my apologies to the Copy and Paste Queen:

In Germany:

As of January 1, 2000, a child born in Germany to non-German parents automatically acquires German citizenship at birth by jus soli if: (1) at least one parent had lived legally in Germany for at least eight years prior to the birth; (2) at the time of the birth, that parent had a permanent residence permit (either an Aufenthaltsberichtigung or, for the three years prior to the birth, an unbefristete Aufenhaltserlaubnis). Note that:
The child must choose between German nationality and the nationality of his/her parents before he/she turns 23 years of age, unless it is legally impossible for him/her to give up his/her parents’ nationality, in which case he/she must apply to the German authorities for dual nationality before turning 21.

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In the UK:

Section 1(4) – children who have lived in the United Kingdom for the first 10 years of their life
The child will have an entitlement to register under section 1(4) of the British Nationality Act 1981 if they were born in the United Kingdom on or after 1 January 1983 and lived in there for the first ten years of their life. Applications under this section of the British Nationality Act 1981 should be made using application form T. You should read can I register as a British citizen if I was born in the United Kingdom on or after 1 January 1983 and lived there up to the age of 10 for details on the requirements you need to meet.

In France:

As from september 1st. 1998, every child of foreign parents born in france acquires french nationality at his majority if he is living in France and if he has lived in france, in a continous or discountinous way al least five years (starting at the age of 11 years).

Under certain circumstances, nationality can be acquired beforehand starting a from sixteen years.

French nationality can also be demanded under certain circumstances by the name of the minor as from the age of thirteen years, always under his personal consent.

FROM ITS CONCEPTION,
THROUGH YOUR RECEPTION,
FOX IS PURE DECEPTION.

writer said:
We don’t need to change the constitution. We just need to enforce the laws we have. But King, why are you singling out Cubans and Dominicans? You must be xenophobic.

Well, of course, that doesn’t address the anchor baby phenomenon, does it? You want Al Jazeera, the BBC and CNN International, across the world, pictures of infants being ripped from their parents’ arms as the parents are loaded into buses and driven across the border?

As to Cubans and Domincians, I used examples by enumeration and not limitation. This is a standard argumentation and advocacy tool. The fact that both groups cannot wade across a river to reach the US, or the fact that Cubans are given special immigration rights, I presume, means nothing to you?

FROM ITS CONCEPTION,
THROUGH YOUR RECEPTION,
FOX IS PURE DECEPTION.

paulmdoro said: The illegal immigrant hysteria reminds me of Reagan’s War on Drugs. When he declared the drug war, drug use was actually on a downfall and there was no national outcry for a drug war.

Couldn’t be more wrong, paulm. (I love how people just state things as if they are fact.) As a chemical dependency therapist during the Reagan years, and many more after that, your statement is just plain false. Now, the way Ronnie and Nancy handled it was bs (just say no, etc.), action was desperately needed.

Also, I have residences in both southern Cal and AZ, and, if things are getting so much better, why does Obama have to put up signs 80 miles inland warning people of the dangers? The violence is escalating. Although I am basically retired, I sub in AZ schools and I see the difference first hand.

Hey RRKing: Been painting the deck this morning for the beer summit.

halekai said:
paulmdoro said: The illegal immigrant hysteria reminds me of Reagan’s War on Drugs. When he declared the drug war, drug use was actually on a downfall and there was no national outcry for a drug war.

Couldn’t be more wrong, paulm. (I love how people just state things as if they are fact.) As a chemical dependency therapist during the Reagan years, and many more after that, your statement is just plain false. Now, the way Ronnie and Nancy handled it was bs (just say no, etc.), action was desperately needed.

Also, I have residences in both southern Cal and AZ, and, if things are getting so much better, why does Obama have to put up signs 80 miles inland warning people of the dangers? The violence is escalating. Although I am basically retired, I sub in AZ schools and I see the difference first hand.

How am I wrong? Was drug use rapidly on the rise prior to Reagan declaring the drug war? Be more specific. You use no evidence to back your claim.

Again, regarding border crime, where’s your proof that overall crime is escalating?

Here you go halekai.

“In 1982, when the drug war began, the recreational use of illegal drugs was in decline. Tonry points out that in 1982, surveys conducted by the National Institute on Drug Abuse showed significant drops in drug usage over long periods for a wide range of age groups.”

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/03justice/crime09.htm

Don’t want anyone having special rights, King. That’s a left wing practice. Just want everyone to obey the immigration laws we have. If we’d stop people from entering illegally, the issue of kids being ‘ripped’ wouldn’t be an issue.

writer said:
I wonder how many other countries have that policy? As long as people entering the country aren’t committing crimes, we won’t worry about any documentation? Come and go as you please.

How do you enter the country illegally without committing a crime?

Yeah, Rich. That was my point when Rachel Maddow was saying that illegal immigrants aren’t raising the crime rate. How about the crime of entering the country illegally?

paulmdoro said:
It also means the immigration furor is political posturing.

Really? Its political posturing when you go to the 7/11 in Red Bank, NJ in the morning and see about 50 illegals standing around, waiting for work, hassling people, and leaving a filthy mess when they leave? By the way Red Bank is a town the is about 1.5 miles square and there are about five places filled with illegals in the morning, looking for day work.

RichS said:
Really? Its political posturing when you go to the 7/11 in Red Bank, NJ in the morning and see about 50 illegals standing around, waiting for work, hassling people, and leaving a filthy mess when they leave? By the way Red Bank is a town the is about 1.5 miles square and there are about five places filled with illegals in the morning, looking for day work.

That isn’t political posturing. That’s being really, really mad that some people are messy. The nerve.

paulmdoro said:
That isn’t political posturing. That’s being really, really mad that some people are messy. The nerve.

First, point out where I said “really, really mad…” Do you have to make up what others say to get your point across?

Second, perhaps you didn’t know that merchant’s get fined when there store fronts and parking lots filthy.

Third, the illegals are committing crimes by being there and they are taking jobs away from Americans.

RichS said:
First, point out where I said “really, really mad…” Do you have to make up what others say to get your point across?

Second, perhaps you didn’t know that merchant’s get fined when there store fronts and parking lots filthy.

Third, the illegals are committing crimes by being there and they are taking jobs away from Americans.

None of this has anything to do with the fact that immigration furor is political posturing.

RichS said:

they are taking jobs away from Americans.

Depends on who you ask. Maybe not.

“But most economists and other experts say there’s little to support the claim. Study after study has shown that immigrants grow the economy, expanding demand for goods and services that the foreign-born workers and their families consume, and thereby creating jobs. There is even broad agreement among economists that while immigrants may push down wages for some, the overall effect is to increase average wages for American-born workers.”

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/does-immigration-cost-jobs/

paulmdoro said:
None of this has anything to do with the fact that immigration furor is political posturing.

You are like the guy looking at the Mona Lisa with his eyes closed saying, “I don’t see anything!”

Don’t you get it, ordinary people are driving this issue, the politicians would rather run away from it.

The last time I can think of that we controlled the Mexican/American border was when Phil Sheridan took a corps of Cavalry down there and the US let France know that they had better get there “Emperor” out of there.

RichS said:
You are like the guy looking at the Mona Lisa with his eyes closed saying, “I don’t see anything!”

Don’t you get it, ordinary people are driving this issue, the politicians would rather run away from it.

Because I believe political posturing is taking place I am blind? Hardly. I just happen to believe that political opportunism has more to do with immigration furor as opposed to genuine concern and outrage.

If the border is safe, the number of illegal border crossings is dropping, and the Obama administration is doing its job in terms of deportations and fines, why is this such a vital issue right now?

halekai said:
Hey RRKing: Been painting the deck this morning for the beer summit.

I’ll bring the Hoegaarden. Knowing NSF, he probably drinks a generic domestic light beer.

FROM ITS CONCEPTION,
THROUGH YOUR RECEPTION,
FOX IS PURE DECEPTION.

paulmdoro said:
Because I believe political posturing is taking place I am blind? Hardly. I just happen to believe that political opportunism has more to do with immigration furor as opposed to genuine concern and outrage. If the border is safe, the number of illegal border crossings is dropping, and the Obama administration is doing its job in terms of deportations and fines, why is this such a vital issue right now?

I think you’re correct, Paul. I can guarantee you that the Business Republicans are upset that the Social Conservatives and Tea Partiers are pushing this. I can make an informed guess, as well, that politicians like Coburn, Graham, Kyl and McCain are going wink-wink, nod-nod, “Sure I’m for it.”, wink-wink, nod-nod, “Know what I mean? Know what I mean?”

The outcry is pure posturing and pandering.

FROM ITS CONCEPTION,
THROUGH YOUR RECEPTION,
FOX IS PURE DECEPTION.

RichS said:
The last time I can think of that we controlled the Mexican/American border was when Phil Sheridan took a corps of Cavalry down there and the US let France know that they had better get there “Emperor” out of there.

And the Mexicans, presumably, played no role in that?

FROM ITS CONCEPTION,
THROUGH YOUR RECEPTION,
FOX IS PURE DECEPTION.

the scary thing is i just heard on rick’s cnn show that greenville sc just censored graham for not being radical enough on immigration

Graham has been censored at least twice by his own party in SC for demonstrating moderation and independence.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
the scary thing is i just heard on rick’s cnn show that greenville sc just censored graham for not being radical enough on immigration

paulmdoro said:
Graham has been censored at least twice by his own party in SC for demonstrating moderation and independence.

He may have been “censured” but he has never been “censored” by the CSRP.

Ah, indeed, censured. Thanks. That’s what I get for typing fast.

my bad notso…so lucky you are such an anal person
thx dude

ChiliPeppersFan said:
my bad notso…so lucky you are such an anal person
thx dude

It’s called knowing a malaprop when I see one.

Live and learn.

The imagl of pregnant women swimming furiously across the Rio Grande to give birth on the American shore leaves me helplessly loling on the floor. Seriously people, get a grip!

make that “image”.

paulmdoro said: So if the number of illegal immigrants is down and overall the border is safe, why this demand from some corners for action now? It couldn’t possibly be politics could it? A nice wedge issue before a midterm election? Sounds about right to me.

I’m not exactly sure how the AP has declared the border as “safe” when drug violence has been seeping over the border for some time. The overall crime figures may be dropping, but while AZ stands as 15th in the nation in population they average in the top-5 in crime. The city of Phoenix ranks second in the world in kidnapping. Those stilted figure are in fact attributable to the illegal immigration issue.

http://abcnews.go.com/blotter/story?id=6848672

RRKing said:
I’ll bring the Hoegaarden. Knowing NSF, he probably drinks a generic domestic light beer.

Now, RRK, be nice. I know it’s in there, I can tell. (Don’t think NSF even knows about the beer summit.)

Paulm said:
“In 1982, when the drug war began, the recreational use of illegal drugs was in decline. Tonry points out that in 1982, yadda, yadda, yadda”

Paul, looking at some of your posts you seem to put a lot of faith in studies. Or, worse yet, government released statements. Not meant as a put-down, just an observation. I put no stock in studies. I know no-one who has ever been in the trenches who believes in these studies. Matter-of-fact, we used to laugh our asses off when they were released. Most people doing studies are academics who have a clear bias going in. Also, do you really believe that Obama and his gang are going to say “The border is much worse” even if it is? I personally have no faith in anything a politician says, democrat or republican. Came home from Vietnam believing that, for the most part the people of the world do not create the problems, the politicians do. Nothing since has changed that belief.