People are starting to realize the teabaggers are corporate stooges. 

Baggers are corporate puppets. The only ones not seeing this are the brainwashed sheep themselves.

We have already seen a few Republicans break ranks or at least ease criticism.
It won’t be long before they try to use it against the President.

The tea party was also popular at the beginning…so time will tell if the movement will last, since they have no clear message…

Just look at the signs these kids carry and those that we were greeted to by the tea party. 

Look at the caliber of personalities who aligned with the OWS protests and the reprobates and outcasts of society who aligned themselves with the TP. And conversely, look at who criticizes the OWS protesters and  and those who criticized the TP

Look at the amount of guns these OWS protesters carry (hint: none) and those the TP brought to rallies and townhall meetings. 

Look at the violent terrorists who cited and associated with TP ideology (hint: Brievik and Loghner) and those who associate with the OWS protesters (hint: none)

Look at the organized nature of the TP voters and their candidates (corporately sponsored and citizens united assisted) and that of the disorganized nature of the OWS protesters (organic, grass roots and spontaneous)

The proverbial book and its cover

Just look at the signs these kids carry and those that we were greeted to by the tea party. 

Look at the caliber of personalities who aligned with the OWS protests and the reprobates and outcasts of society who aligned themselves with the TP. And conversely, look at who criticizes the OWS protesters and  and those who criticized the TP

Look at the amount of guns these OWS protesters carry (hint: none) and those the TP brought to rallies and townhall meetings. 

Look at the violent terrorists who cited and associated with TP ideology (hint: Brievik and Loghner) and those who associate with the OWS protesters (hint: none)

Look at the organized nature of the TP voters and their candidates (corporately sponsored and citizens united assisted) and that of the disorganized nature of the OWS protesters (organic, grass roots and spontaneous)

The proverbial book and its cover

Tommy taking a break from bashing non-liberals?   The “Tea Party” is dominated by conservatives, but its wrong to identify all of them as right wing, just as its wrong to identify the OCW as entirely left-wing (though its clearly dominated by left wing ideology).  Democrats tend to overwhelmingly identify with and like left wing groups.  Republicans tend to overwhelmingly identify with and support right-leaning groups – go figure…     

Many of the OCW are anarchists or other far-left in ideology – the Tea Party is primarily normal people who have offense against no one.  Dems trashing the Tea Party and loving on the OCW doesn’t mean America likes the OCW more than the Tea Party, it means the Dems do.  Again, go figure… 

Wow they must be real popular. Someone is keeping them fat and happy while they suffer in protest. Tax the rich, feed the poor, ’till there are no rich no more…

One protester explained:

‘I’ve been here for 12 days, and I’ve put on 5 pounds,’ he said,
sitting on the ground in front of a handmade sign that said ‘Class War
Ahead.’ ‘I’m eating better than I do at home.’

All he had to do was amble toward a ramshackle cluster of tables and
boxes in the middle of the park and, without paying a cent, grab a
slice of pizza or a warm slab of homemade vegan casserole. Last Thursday he had encountered ‘a bunch of Katz’s Deli sandwiches,’ he said. ‘That was good.’

Others said:

‘Someone gave us Spam,’ said Elliot Hartmann-Russell, 18, a volunteer who held up a can of the meat and stared at it while sorting through the donations. ‘I’m not going to eat it, but…’

Tom Hintze, 24, was volunteering
in Zuccotti Park last week. ‘Just now there was a big UPS delivery,’ he
said. ‘We don’t know where it comes from. It just appears, and we eat
it.’

The kitchen’s philosophy isn’t quite the farm-to-table approach Mr.
Hintze internalized while on the wait staff at the expensive and
high-toned Blue Hill at Stone Barns in Westchester County, N.Y. Still,
he was picking up a similar community-based ethos.

H/T NRO Online http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/279946/eat-rich-patrick-brennan

Imagine, just imagine if someone like the Koch brothers did this for the Tea Party! Oh, that’s right, the liberals already do!

Push polls tend to get funny results.

“So, while the ‘Occupy Wall Street’ question is phrased in a sympathetic
manner, the Tea Party question just mentions the name ‘Tea Party,’ which
has been associated with partisan fighting for over two years now.”

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/flawed-poll-occupy-wall-st-vs-tea-party

Someone is feeding your carpet baggers free corporate made food. Bought and paid for sheeeeeeep!

Of course it’s more popular – the media is tripping over itself to praise these imbeciles and the Hollywood elite as well as the disconnected parasites in Congress are rushing to feel their pain.

It’s a Cool Kids Club, the media, Hollywood, and politicians living in luxury of your dime. The Tea Party represents the adults in the room. And adults are SUCH party poopers, aren’t they?

It’s about damn time, too. I was wondering when this country was going to wake up to the complete lunacy of the Tea Party.

Most of the food comes from local restaurants, not corporations.

Its a Tine Poll  Obviously BS

Well, the Koch brothers did one better and bought them a fancy bus with a bunch of neat graphics.

Jay Carney’s former employer.  Nuff said. 

besides, it takes everyone’s mind and attention of issues.  

The left’s answer to “fire” when you want to clear the room quickly.  

The protestors are too “intelligent” to notice that all these “helpers” are not really feeling their pain.  

Hey Jackie, who has been the biggest recipient of wall street cash in the last 20 years?

Here is the best answer to the “Occupy” crowds.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/300435_2425977325347_1128934539_2887129_1921659655_n.jpg

Lol.  Look at the way they phrased the question:

Q11. IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, A GROUP OF PROTESTORS HAS BEEN
GATHERING ON WALL STREET IN NEW YORK CITY AND SOME OTHER CITIES TO
PROTEST POLICIES WHICH THEY SAY FAVOR THE RICH, THE GOVERNMENT’S BANK
BAILOUT, AND THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. IS YOUR
OPINION OF THESE PROTESTS VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT
UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE
PROTESTS TO HAVE AN OPINION?

So they took the most basic generalities that almost everybody can get behind, applies them to OWS, and then ask if they agree with those sentiments.  Hmmm.

On the flip side here’s another poll out of many that shows a Republican beating Obama in 2012:
“Herman Cain, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, and Mitt Romney would all beat Obama it the election were held today.”
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/10/12/poll-herman-cain-rick-perry-mitt-romney-all-beat-obama

Gee, after tons of coverage sliming the Tea Party and praising the Occupy crowd, the public has a more favorable view of the Occupy crowd. Whodaguessed?  I wonder what the public might think of the Occupy crowd if they saw more coverage like this:

https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/will-democrats-condemn-anti-semitism-occupy-wall-street_595843.html

Just wait . OWS is not going to end well .

“Owners Distribute Regulations For Zuccotti Park: No Sleeping Bags, Tents Or Lying On The Ground”

“A confrontation may be looming for “Occupy Wall Street” protesters at Zuccotti Park as a result of the cleaning that’s set to take place at 7 a.m. tomorrow.
Brookfield Office Management employees have been passing out notices to protesters Thursday, saying that tarps, sleeping bags and tents are all prohibited in the park, as is lying on the ground and on benches when it becomes an interference for others.”

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/13/mayor-michael-bloomberg-says-zuccotti-park-will-be-cleaned-up-friday/

Thats just funny. Frustrating but funny.

Thats just funny. Frustrating but funny.

Put down the pipe.

To those rightwingers who live in an alternative universe, perhaps the polling that shows that people have a generally good feeling about OWS and a somewhat negative opinion of the Tea Party will, hopefully, have a sobering effect. And now Mayor Bloomberg’s ‘Seal of Approval’ insures that the protesters will be there for many months even throughout the winter. I’ve been down to Wall Street a number of times and contrary to the bad propaganda and provocateur statements, Zucotti Park has been kept surprisingly clean and many of the daytime protesters and supporters are ordinary citizens, many of them workers in the Wall Street area. OWS has long legs and will continue to grow nationwide. This should come as no surprise, since the majority of people in our country are catching on to the obvious fact that this is a serious protest based on the hardcore fact that Wall Street has totally fucked over our economy and is going to have to make good and allow real reform to take place. Also, rightwingers should get the message that the showing of guns at the early Tea Party events was a real shocker. The Tea Party and other rightwingers are acting so out of reality that they don’t understand how they’ve been zonked by the awful propaganda put out by the NRA. It’s not that the average person is against the ownership of guns for legitimate purposes, but when you start allowing people to openly carry guns in public, you turn off the vast majority of normal people.

Isn’t capitalism and America great? They make the best buses!

As usual, this article is a complete and utter lie. Absolutely nowhere in the poll was Occupy Wall Street identified. The Tea Party was extensively identified, however, so this claim that Occupy Wall Street has more support is completely and undeniably baseless. Along with that, as usual with hack TIME polls their sample methods are secret.

Doesn’t matters who thinks what about who as long as the incompetent community organizer is thrown out of office and replaced by a Conservative who will stick to conservative values and repeal Oblamercare and gut bloated Government spending!!

I don’t give much credence to media biased polls!

Well since I was protesting with anti Obama and Clinton signs along with many others in Portland I guess your argument just went down the shitter…..

Attack as false anything you do not like.
Typical.

When you have the usual liberal main stream media cbs/nbc/abc/msnbc/cnn/pbs/nyt/lat dishonestly labeling the Tea Party as racist and then praising the anarchist/socialist OWS mobs what do you expect. Republicans/Tea Party will never get a fair shake from those outlets, thank god for the alternate media.

Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt dummy.

And how do you figure their samples are secret? The article says the sample was 30% Dem 29% Republican and 39% Indepenedent.

Just flat out confirms you idiots do nothing but react to a headline. I know readings hard for you righties but I promise you there’s not a lot of big words up top there Cletus…

Look. Its a critique of a Time Poll. Obviously BS.

Your OWS party is going to fail. Most of these people have short attention spans. Know why? They have no coherent message. Corporations are going nowhere. These clowns are no more than a pimple on the ass of an elephant.

They are rude and sloppy people. They shouted down one of the great men of the civil rights movement in Atlanta.

They need to find a job. Maybe 2 jobs.

Or maybe try this.   https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/300435_2425977325347_1128934539_2887129_1921659655_n.jpg

Reading the data, the two that stuck out for me were :

Q1. TO START WITH, DO YOU FEEL THINGS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE GENERALLY GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OR DO YOU FEEL THINGS HAVE PRETTY SERIOUSLY GOTTEN OFF ON THE WRONG TRACK?
RIGHT DIRECTION 14%
WRONG TRACK 81%
NO ANSWER/DON’T KNOW 5%Q2.

IN GENERAL, DO YOU APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OF THE WAY PRESIDENT OBAMA IS HANDLING HIS JOB AS PRESIDENT?
10/9/11 – 10/10/11: 44% approve, 50% disapprove, 6% no answer/don’t know

Q15. WOULD YOU SAY EACH OF THE FOLLOWING IS HAVING A MAJOR IMPACT, MINOR IMPACT OR IS IT HAVING LITTLE IMPACT ON AMERICA’S DECLINE IN THE WORLD?

D. PEOPLE NOT WORKING AS HARD AS THEY SHOULD BECAUSE OF GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS SUCH AS WELFARE AND UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITSBASE: BELIEVE AMERICA’S POSITION IN THE WORLD IS DECLINING (732)
MAJOR IMPACT 60%
MINOR IMPACT 18%
LITTLE IMPACT 18%
NO ANSWER/DON’T KNOW 5%

Democrats have always relied on the low information and the unintelligent liberal brain washed voters to win elections!!

Maybe its because the Tea Baggers are ignorant, born-again, uneducated mouth breathers?  Probably so.

the poll questions defined the OWS as against banks and bailouts,  but did not define the tea party as being small government and less spending (instead just mentioned the name).   The rest of the poll questions were well-worded, so I’m not sure why the oversight on that one.  

The rest of the poll is well-done except the tea party and OWS party part… 

nice catch, I saw that myself.  Polls have to define any term that is either subjective or confusing to make sure you are talking about the same thing.  The poll writers can claim that the tea party has been around longer and is better known, however by including the OWS goals and not the tea party results, yeah, the results will be skewed. 

Too bad, the idea of the poll is interesting.  If I were Time Magazine, I’d use a better polling firm.  Glaring mistake in polling basics on that one.

Are we still riding the Koch Brothers are America’s saviors trend?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/koch-brothers-flout-law-getting-richer-with-secret-iran-sales.html

Ron Paul started the Tea Party for ALL people fed up with out of control government and out of control spending, before it was hi-jacked by the koch’s. When it was RP’s tea party, it was people from ALL walks of life. But nice try.

of course they are but only more so among the oba’mao’ jock sniffing club lead by president tommy christopher, and the lamestream media, ows is nothing more than marxist anti american trolls, just look at the absolute filth they leave in their wake and their flea invested living areas. across the country you can add up all these losers and combined they don’t equal the numbers that showed up at one Tea Party rally.

of course they are but only more so among the oba’mao’ jock sniffing club lead by president tommy christopher, and the lamestream media, ows is nothing more than marxist anti american trolls, just look at the absolute filth they leave in their wake and their flea invested living areas. across the country you can add up all these losers and combined they don’t equal the numbers that showed up at one Tea Party rally.

I, for one, am glad that the Tea Party left Ron Paul! Aren’t you? The Tea Party does not need the Koch brothers. The Koch brothers need the Tea Party. Wake up.

Well, Duh.  The Occupy Wall Street movement supports American values.

The Teabaggers supported imperilalism, torture, domestic spying, mercenaries, the repeal of habeas corpus, tax cuts for billionaires, racism, religious intolerance, government spying, and all of the other founding principles of communism and fascism.

It’s an easy choice.

All I have to say to this latest bit of “news” is…

Yeah.  Right.  Whatever.

Hard upon which I decide where else I’ll find future bits of news.

Time poll? Isn’t that the magazine that had Obama on 1/4 of it’s covers in 2008? LOL

Newsweek was right behind with 12 of it’s covers.

Hmmm, I wonder how heavy carrying Obama will be in 2012?

One more thing. The fact that the Tea Party is propping up candidates that are in the big banking system, just proves how manipulated you guys (tea party) are. If you aren’t “propping” him up, you sure as hell aren’t doing anything to denounce him. But believe whatever Fox news tells you, “Oh, all the OWS protesters are Marxists and socialists”. When in fact, THEY are Americans that felt they were sold down the river (rightfully so) by these corporate interest candidates, and they are looking for a way out. 

Maybe if they stopped feeding them they wouldn’t shit in the street.

Maybe it is easier to identify with 99% of the country than with folks in costumes?

Why the 99% are so angry:  http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1

Maybe it is easier to identify with 99% of the country than with folks in costumes?

Why the 99% are so angry:  http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1

By the way Mediaite, isn’t it a little WEIRD that you have a picture of idiots wearing V for Vendetta masks as your cover pic for this article?

Have you people even seen the movie? It was not V against Businesses and Capitalism, it was V vs vehement, vain, and venal government.

The OWS is vacillatory in it’s vacuous and vicarious convictions, but I guess with the vagaries of this vociferous movement, one would expect it. What a bunch of vagabonds.

Look at how many were arrested…….ows vs TEA Party.  Bastions of civilization  LMAO!

You will make for a most excellent Republikkkon Storm-trooper, “good sir”.

Lets look at how the questions were asked:

Q11. IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, A GROUP OF PROTESTORS HAS BEEN GATHERING ON WALL STREET IN NEW YORK CITY AND SOME OTHER CITIES TO PROTEST POLICIES WHICH THEY SAY FAVOR THE RICH, THE GOVERNMENT’S BANK BAILOUT, AND THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. IS YOUR OPINION OF THESE PROTESTS VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROTESTS TO HAVE AN OPINION?This states the views of the Occupy Wall St. crowd in as sympathetic a way as possible — even most conservatives and libertarians opposed the Wall St. bailout and the type of crony capitalism that comes with mixing money and politics. This is not the controversial aspect of Occupy Wall Street.Yet here’s how the Tea Party question is phrased:Q8. ON ANOTHER ISSUE, IS YOUR OPINION OF THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE TEA PARTY TO HAVE AN OPINIONNo bias in those two questions at all. Give me a friggin break!http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/flawed-poll-occupy-wall-st-vs-tea-party

It’s sort of pathetic to see the media playing two different groups of concerned working people against each other in this way. Both have essentially the same set of concerns albeit with different solutions and should be working out a way that they can air their voices simultaneously to put the very real fear of God into politicians from both parties and force them by democratic manadate to fix the country. It’s like ancient Rome except this time the bloodsport is online. News just in: Democrats say Republicans smell.

Absolutely right on with this.  Phillipa Klein has a great article about the very skewed results of this poll due to the manner in which the questions regarding the OWS and Tea Party were phrased…..it’s laughable watching the liberal pundits fall all over themselves while touting this new poll.  Tommy knows better but he’s not about to tell the truth about this ridiculous poll.  

And you support Marxism. Treasonous under Article III, Section 3 of the US Constitution. I can’t wait to get back to the good ‘ol Constitution. It’s a no brainer.

With David Koch as the richest man in NYC, I don’t think he needs them all that much.  

However, where would the TPE be without that big, beautiful bus?

Don’t forget to attack the messenger not the message. You’ve never watched Fox so called News have you by any chance?

Well, notice that I haven’t challenged your “bus”, but I am curious about that bus. Was it done legally? If it was, your snivel about it would be ___________? And your lack of sniveling about the Hungarian support for the OWS crowd is due to _________?

You said it so very clearly. They will use YOU to achieve their globalist agenda, against the will of the people that are to smart to see through the BS. Congradulations, the blood of America will be on YOUR hands. Ron Paul has more principle in his pinky than the whole “Republican” party combined.
Hence, that is why the Koch brothers hate him!
http://www.dailypaul.com/158599/the-koch-bros-love-herman-cain-hate-ron-paulSame thing goes for the OWS who want to get Obama re-elected, big GOVERNMENT is not the answer. It will lead to tyranny. 

It’s real important for Occupy Wall Street to remain an organic movement. The Tea Party became co-opted by Wall Street Republicans such as Fox News and the Koch brothers. It was the worst fate for the Tea Party to become aggressively promoted on Fox News. Most Americans now view the Tea Party as an extreme faction of the GOP base. The organizers of Occupy Wall Street do not want to suffer such a partisan characterization. They should remain trans-partisan and refuse affiliation with any political party.    

“Q11. IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, A GROUP OF PROTESTORS HAS BEEN 

GATHERING ON WALL STREET IN NEW YORK CITY AND SOME OTHER CITIES TO 
PROTEST POLICIES WHICH THEY SAY FAVOR THE RICH, THE GOVERNMENT’S BANK 
BAILOUT, AND THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. IS YOUR 
OPINION OF THESE PROTESTS VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT 
UNFAVORABLE, VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE 
PROTESTS TO HAVE AN OPINION?

So they took the most basic generalities that almost everybody can get behind, applies them to OWS, and then ask if they agree with those sentiments.  Hmmm.”

These ‘generalities’ are the primary causes supported by the OWS movement, so you can’t really accuse them of framing the question.I’m glad to see that you think that ‘everyone can get behind’ them, which is why I am at a loss that some libertarians, such as yourself, are so insistent on denigrating them.  You know, we have a fair number of Ron Paul supporters there, not to mention a couple of Rothbardian AnCaps.

Devils_Spawn 1 hour ago in reply to Tony Westover
Attack as false anything you do not like.
Typical.

FOX NEWS LIES! FOX NEWS LIES! FOX NEWS LIES! FOX NEWS LIES! FOX NEWS LIES! FOX NEWS LIES!

God you people are sooooo incredibly DENSE!

Poor Tea Baggers!!

That thought they were so cool knocking out Moderate Republicons, but didn’t realize that they, themselves weren’t capable of governing!!

Americans have woken up to what a joke the Tea Baggers have turned out to be!! This is what happens when you sell you souls and movement to the Koch Brothers!!

Goodbye Tea Baggers… you provided us all with a good laugh!!

An Unofficial, but, very thorough POLL, lists various pornographic, semi-pornographic and motorcycle magazines, plus crossword puzzles as far out numbering “Time Magazine” in American bathrooms!

Purveyor

An Unofficial, but, very thorough POLL, lists various pornographic, semi-pornographic and motorcycle magazines, plus crossword puzzles as far out numbering “Time Magazine” in American bathrooms!

Purveyor

Drink,

Godwin’s Law, you lemmings are so predictable.  Thanks for not disappointing.  LMAO!

Teabags like to say they started their movement “organically.” That’s a bold face lie, Faux news created the teabags.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jfffjkTieo

Ron Paul is an isolationist with as much chance of getting elected as your pinky. Bless his heart, he loves the Constitution, but he is UNELECTABLE.

IF the voting system isn’t already rigged, I would say the Koch brothers definitely need the Tea Party. More votes means their “chosen” candidates get in the highest office in the world. 

@lane1:disqus NDanielson
Do you plan on responding to the link about the Koch’s and Iran, or are you going to pretend that I didn’t post it?

You have to admit, whether you agree or disagree, Ron Paul has principles.  You know where he stands and he doesn’t waiver.  My guess is that he has stood on the same issues since he got into politics.

I have no issue with Koch funding the Tea Party, I take issue with people calling it ‘grassroots’ despite this fact.  The real grassroots Tea Party died the moment it was co-opted by the Republican party and the conservative rich.  

In regards to ‘Hungarian support’ I assume you mean Soros?  Yeah, he said that he ‘understands’ OWS.  Nothing more.

There’s a difference between accusing one news agency of lying and accusing all of lying except for one.

Holding a certain philosophy does not make someone treasonous.  Please read the Constitution.  

Geez, Korean Barney is back.   Taking a few minutes off from writing on the kos to spread more lies and deception.  I wonder if he gets paid by the WH or does it bono?

Usually the people who say “Ron Paul is an isolationist” are the IsraelFirsters.

And your problem with unions co-opting OWS is grassroots, too??? Hey, why aren’t unions obliged to pay corporate taxes? They rake in Billions and support only one party in America. They have officers, offices, and a payroll of thousands nationwide. Just like corporations, they are profit driven but pay no corporate taxes. The offer a product: their negotiating services. Just like a law firm and a bank.

And your problem with unions co-opting OWS is grassroots, too??? Hey, why aren’t unions obliged to pay corporate taxes? They rake in Billions and support only one party in America. They have officers, offices, and a payroll of thousands nationwide. Just like corporations, they are profit driven but pay no corporate taxes. The offer a product: their negotiating services. Just like a law firm and a bank.

Did I say Fox News lies?
No.
Dense?
Not me.

Supporting Marxist movements, and advancing Marxist movements that are (inherently) in contradiction to the US Constitution is treasonous under Article III, Section 3.  “Holding a certain philosophy” and seeking to advance one are the same, cupcake? Interesting. Tell us more.

What would you expect?  The media LOVES OWS but hates the Tea Party so all these people have heard about is how wonderful OWS is and how “evil and racist” the Tea Party is. 

And let’s see how sticky OWS is – the Tea Party has been battered around for almost 2 years now.  If OWS is still around and/or takes a negative turn, then you’ve got something.  But right now this survey is just more fodder for the media to trash the Tea Party.

FreedomOrBust 10 minutes ago in reply to NDanielson
Usually the people who say “Ron Paul is an isolationist” are the IsraelFirsters.

America is always first, cupcake. But what would you know about that? I don’t know any American that puts Israel before America. Do you? Who would even consider calling them American if that were the case??? A leftnut? That’s why we call them leftnuts! Usually leftnuts are nothing more than Marxist dupes. Usually they don’t even know it. Crazy, huh?

LEEDOG,

Out of curiosity, do the huge sums of money lost to “Solyndra” and other “Green” Corporations bother you as much as the Koch Brothers do? (I’m still not sure what those boys did that has all you liberals so mad?) Also, are you aware that one of the “Green ” companies, allegedly had no intention of employing Americans, rather, the the manufacture of the photo-voltaic cells would have been made in Mexico?  (That is, IF, the company had survived, which it did not!)

Moreover, do you find it copacetic that by way of the “STIMULUS,” huge sums of money were put in the hands of the Executive Brach, (President) thus by-passing Congressional mandate: Article I, which grants the power of the purse to Congress and Congress only?  Is that OK with you?  You don’t think that you and a plurality of your compatriots, got snookered do you?

OR, would you like to have a good old fashioned, 1 guy in charge?  Maybe a “politburo” but, a Dictatorship by definition, calling the shots?  That would streamline things, wouldn’t it?

I just can’t wait to hear what you and your brethren will come up with to justify the circumventing of the law?  OOPS!  I already know the answer, don’t I?    

The Koch Brothers did it, right?    That makes it all OK?  How ethical of you !

(How about that “Operation Fast and Furious”?)  LOL  I’m sure thats OK with you because Bush and Cheney did evil things too… Right?  I don’t know whether you and your associates use “situational ethics,” or simply ignore such all together?

Purveyor

No, holding a philosophy and seeking to advance it are not the same thing.  

“The media LOVES OWS but hates the Tea Party so all these people have heard about is how wonderful OWS is and how “evil and racist” the Tea Party is.”

What a simple, one-dimensional world you live in.

Nice, Schmegma!

An inventory of your beat-off chamber!

Now give us the senile schtick of how you used to ride motorcycles in the circus! You can do it!

AHHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH!!!

NO COMMENT

Awesome! Well, seeking to force government to “spread the wealth” is a wholly Marxist endeavor when it also seeks to eliminate and punish class. Hate it as much as you want, but this spread the wealth, and class warfare crap is bordering on full-fledged Marxism.

Read about Marxism and Article III, Section 3 and get back to me.

Nobody is happy about the loss of money on Solyndra. But it was in the pursuit of an excellent cause, which is the development of renewable energy sources. This is an industry where it makes a lot of sense for the government to complement the market by subsidizing research and development.

That seems a lot more beneficial to the country than anything the Koch brothers have done:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-02/koch-brothers-flout-law-getting-richer-with-secret-iran-sales.html

Actually, I do have a problem with unions co-opting OWS.  In fact, most of OWS has a problem with it as well.  They have actually been getting hints on how to avoid co-option from a member of old Ron Paul Tea Party.

“Hey, why aren’t unions obliged to pay corporate taxes?”

Because they are not corporations.

“They rake in Billions”

Maybe if you consider ALL unions, you’d get to a billion, but that’s far beyond the ability of a single union.  Not so with a multinational conglomerate.  

“Just like corporations, they are profit driven but pay no corporate taxes.”

Unions are non-profit and are thus not profit driven.

“The offer a product: their negotiating services. Just like a law firm and a bank.”You seem to be implying that unions are in the service industry.  They’re not.  There’s a reason why unions are trade-specific; it’s because unions are largely comprised of people who work in that specific trade.  There is no union that deliberately sells their ‘services’ to the highest bidder.  If they did, they would be a company and not a union.

Blah, blah, blah. Post this at redstate where people actually buy into this narrative. 

Hey, look — it’s Victoria Jackson!

1. I would have liked to see Solyndra survive and other solar companies, but it’s hard to compete with other countries who have slave labor!! Trade laws need to be changed!!

2. You complain about 500 million that may have been unwisely spent but seem to remain silent on the Bush Administration wasting hundreds of billion in the Iraq War… a War that got us what??

3. The Koch Brothers backed the Tea Party with their front groups/organizations!! OWS wants no part of that, which makes it a true grass movement in this country!!

4. Most of the stimulus bill went into the hands of the States!! While some Republicons who voted against it, had pictures of them with giant checks taking credit for the money being spent in their States!!
We were losing 700k jobs per month when Bush left Office, now each month we have been gaining… not as fast as people want, but it’s still a gain!! The stimulus had some good effects and may have stopped the economy from going into a depression!! If that’s not the case, why didn’t this economy go into a depression and what Republicon idea stopped that from happening??

5. Whoever was in charge of “Fast and Furious”, should resign immediately (stated that before)!!

6. If the President were truly the only one in charge, you would expect a lot more of his policies to get passed!! It seems the Republicons are in charge because nothing can get done?? Plus, I’m still waiting or the House’s jobs plan that isn’t full of abortion restrictions or funding for the defensive marriage act??

:”Awesome! Well, seeking to force government to “spread the wealth” is a wholly Marxist endeavor when it also seeks to eliminate and punish class. Hate it as much as you want, but this spread the wealth, and class warfare crap is bordering on full-fledged Marxism.Read about Marxism and Article III, Section 3 and get back to me.”Actually, I’m pretty well-read on the subject of Marxism.  So, no thanks.  

Breathing through your nose is quite handy with the bags on your chin, huh? Is that why “mouth breather” is supposed to be some kind of libby insult nowadays? You get a lot of practice breathing through your nose, or something? Seems nothing to be proud of, moses.

Actually I do know quite a few people that say “We have to protect Israel at ALL cost”, hell look at the Republican party. If you refuse to look up the definition of non-interventionalists and want to spout out the isolationist rhetoric, so be it, but it makes you look like a stooge. The troops want RP as their leader, RP wants to bring the troops home, the troops want to come home. Do you support the troops or only when it is convenient? Besides, I do not know what kind of economy you have been living through, but from what I see, we cannot afford to be the world police.

@lane1:disqus shogan83
Oh yea, I am sure the “old Ron Paul Tea Party” group is just lining up to throw money in your face. 

Thank you, Leedog. Every point is perfectly stated. 

Hey look, it is one of the OWS!

The OWS is vacillatory in it’s vacuous and vicarious convictions, but I
guess with the vagaries of this vociferous movement, one would expect
it. What a bunch of vagabonds.

Quote:  ”And all of the other founding principles of communism.”

I believe you a confused as the examples you cited are NOT “principles.”  Rather, at best, you’ve merely given “examples”: “torture, spying, racism,” etc. are the “result” of “Communist and Fascist principles.  (The chicken or the egg question, so to speak)

In other words: your list are/is “examples” of the “effects,” not causality…  Ergo, I agree with you, as history clearly demonstrates that such tends to be the by-products of despotic regimes, most recently, Socialist regimes.  Thus, we must conclude that your list is actually applicable to the progeny of Marx/Lenin, i.e. the Wall Street Protestors, as they unapologetically desire Socialism/Communism.

Whereas the the Tea Party/Conservatives, desire and exhibit proclivities, historically found in basic American values.  Certainly NOT the imagined actions you attempt to assign to the Conservative Right.  There is an “objective history TREVOR.  YOU can twist such as you see fit, however, as Stalin once said: 

 ”One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.”

A Tale of Two Protests: Media Cheer Wall Street Occupiers But Jeered Tea Partiers
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-dickens/2011/10/13/tale-two-protests-media-cheer-wall-street-occupiers-jeered-tea-par

Thank You Sir!!  =)

Except that you spelled it correctly. You must be some kind of elitist.

Except that you spelled it correctly. You must be some kind of elitist.

*LOL* Not my fault that I revealed the truth and it doesn’t suit your agenda. Tough shit, pal. Try living in the real world some time.

That’s exactly what I am saying. You finally got the point.
You attacked something you didn’t like, something that revealed a truth that doesn’t suit your agenda.
Enjoy your fantasy world for another year, and then watch it come crashing down.

*LOL* You claim people are in denial when your lazy ass can’t even be bothered to read the poll. Absolutely nowhere in the poll do they indicate their sampling method.

Drat! Exposed by good spelling!

Fact: NYT poll? hahhahahahahahaha…………………… Time rag mag with 50 Obama covers? hahahahaha…………………………….

I am attempting to reconcile the vernacular of 2nd comment, with that of the 1st…

“Republicons,” “Tea Baggers,” coupled  haughty phraseology.   I knew how you would handle the challenge to  your ideology, in fact, I suggested as much.  You did!  You simply deflected the threat elsewhere by claiming two wrongs, make three wrongs, when you should have countered the thrust with an immediate and swift parry, so to speak.

“Solyndra” failed because of slave labor? (And Grey Aliens too?)

If the Koch Bros are so evil when will the indictments be handed down?

You surprise me as there are parts that we agree on, but, its like you’ve got talking point CD on one shoulder distracting you.  LOL  I agree with you about trade laws, we’ve talked about this before.  BUT, this time it wasn’t labor abuse, price fixing, subsidies, etc.  Solyndra is exactly what it looks like and will only get worse.  We need to admit it and move on.  And don’t let it happen again??  LOL

Purveyor

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Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying
War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and
Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony
of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Is there another section to which you are referring?

paranoia?

By the way, you never explained how a capital gains tax is double taxation.
Must be because the Teapublican who told it to you couldn’t explain it either.

“If you have the facts, pound on the facts”

“If you have the law, pound on the law”

“If you have neither, pound on the table!”

In argumentation, there is a tactic called “selective observation.”  Simply put, means you count the hits and forget the misses.  Both you and GOPER ventured down that road with your justification of Solyndra by putting a happy face on something that was not just an error in judgment by someone.

A man must ask himself: Is he attempting to solve a problem or continue one?

Purveyor

Yes, the treasonous Koch brothers that already fund the TEA PARTY! These donations have come from EVERDAY citizens. That’s the part you arrogant idiots don’t get!

Here’s the truth of your boys, the Kochs. TREASONOUS!!!   http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/koch-industries-report-reveals-secret-sins/story?id=14676652

What are you, six years old? You actually pulled a “I know you are but what am I”.

What next, are you gonna say your dad can beat up my dad? *LOL* Get a life, loser.

Fact: 500 million plus no taxes paid. so liberal!
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/article/solyndra-funder-kaiser-paid-zero-taxes-years

And how is your contribution any different than that of a six year old?

Fact: Here is some more on the OWS hero’s!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlPY9AfQFqI&feature=player_embedded

Looks like Leedog!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uE2M7g_IWSE

You are 100% wrong. Fascism and Communism are authoritarian forms of government where the government has rights over the people. Today’s Republican Party is founded solely in these principles, in the principles of Stalin and Hitler.

Liberals on the other hand defend America from these things. It’s literally impossible to have an authoritarian government under liberal rule because we would NEVER allow the government to spy on the people, we would NEVER allow the government to torture human beings, we would NEVER suspend habeas corpus (or otherwise attack the Constitution). We defend the Constitution at every turn.

Republicans, on the other hand, NEVER defend the Constitution. You have adopted the authoritarian tendencies of Stalin and Hitler and incorporated those tendencies into government.

Only Republicans support Marxism. Liberals would never support the torture, wars of imperialism, government spying, etc. that come with Communism. Only Republicans support those things.

Isn’t interesting that the teabaggers and their supporters — who repeatedly harp on the Constitution and the Founding Fathers — continuously disparage these other protestors for getting arrested and assaulted by the police while exercising their First Amendment rights?  Unlike the teabaggers, they’re actually willing to risk something protesting besides simply making fools of themselves.  That makes them a hell of a lot braver than the so-called Tea Party that doesn’t even come close to resembling its namesake.  Thhese OWS protestors are the only ones who resemble the real thing:  reckless, foolish, and actually willing to risk arrest and defy authority in their protests.  Teabaggers just became part of the system and made it worse, rather than having the common sense to try to change it.

Teabags?

Whats a bagger?

“The Tea Party has been associated with partisan fighting for over two years now.”  Why yes, it has, but they can hardly complain about it!  They created their own bad reputation that managed to overcome even the incredibly biased positive coverage by Fox News; their own extreme rhetoric and ridiculous brinksmanship with regard to issues like the debt ceiling has ruined their reputation.

And frankly, I don’t think that question was biased.  I doubt there’s a single person in the United States willing to fill out a political survey that doesn’t both know what the Tea Party stands for and have an opinion about them.  They only defined the OWS because those protests are new.

I guess hundreds of billions wasted in Iraq means nothing to you… you would rather waste your time on 500 million that was spent on Solyndra??

If laws were broken and they mislead the government, they should go to jail!!

The same could also be said about the Bush Administration misleading the American people, getting soldiers and civilians killed and wasting billions in tax payer money!! They should also go to jail!!

You can hardly fault them for using “the most basic generalities that almost everybody can get behind” to describe the OWS protestors beliefs; after all, that’s all they’ve articulated as a group so far.  Telling the truth isn’t “biased,” and neither is this poll, no matter how much you dislike the results.

Time isn’t any more reliable than the NYT…they’re both Liberal rags.

Anyone else find it ironic that “teabaggers are corporate stooges” slant is propagated by left wing media outlets (owned by giant corporations) or billionaire-funded websites?

I’m sure that whatever coverage allegedly has been “sliming the Tea Party” is more than balanced out by Fox’s outright bias and support for them for months on end.  After all, Fox is a 24/7 conservative propaganda machine; even if all the other networks combined were one massive liberal conspiracy to promote the OWS guys, they still wouldn’t devote as much positive coverage to them as Fox has to the Tea Party.

Also, newsflash:  there’s no liberal conspiracy, and Fox News lies.  The hypocrisy bias disgusts even me, and my views would make me their target audience … if only I had no brain.

Wow, you’re trying to use logic on conspiracy theorist nuts with a martyr complex?  Good luck with that.

You seem to keep bringing up the issues that you only like to talk about!! You failed to mention the Iraq War and the money wasted there!! Which is hundreds of times more than what was spent on Solyndra… but that argument doesn’t seem to be worth your time!!

I think everyone would be surprised to know how much the tea party and OWS have in common…

When it comes to the bailouts, the tea party was dead set against them long before it was fashionable to do so, but its nice to see the left finally come around on that.

Id say the difference between the tea party & OWS is less about ideas then about style..

One could say its style over substance abuse…

The tea party has people in Congress and the House.. OWS has people pissing on themsleves and demanding mony for being bums…. Big difference 

What did I lie about?  Do you deny that you support all of the same things that Stalin and Hilter supported?

ttp://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread762886/pg1

Where OWS got started.. A corporations called adbusters.org….

Only Republicans support communism, fascism, and other forms of authoritarian government that run contrary to the Constitution.  Liberals ALWAYS defend the Constitution.  These are the facts.

Fact: If I posted the video of Victoria Jackson talking to articulate OWSers, she’d look like the fool! It’s a fact!

This is not surprising, the baggers are basically a group of illiterate racists.

By the response it seems the answer would be NO.

Except now the TP works hard for those that were bailed out.  They’ve grown to love their abusers. 

And the TP has leaned very quickly to love their abusers.

Actually, the primary reason that Solyndra failed was the fact that the price of silicon panels plummeted, making its prices uncompetitive. (And to the popular talking point that the Dept of Energy handed out money recklessly, that’s just wrong: the vetting process, which relied on 3,000 outside experts, was unusually rigorous.)

LEEDOG,

You have created a “false dichotomy” with this argument.  Think about it, does Solyndra and the various recent wars belong in the same debate?

No.  Unless the two parties have managed, at least marginally, to conclude a discussion on the individual subjects.  The two topics are, ‘prima facie,’ unrelated?  Completely!

You can conjure and twist the two, perhaps claim they share morality or a lack thereof, but, as you and I have disagreements with one and possibly the other, maybe, we should “begin at the beginning?”  I just don’t see a relationship between Solyndra and a President charged with the responsibility, of taking his Nation to war?

Purveyor

Do you support the troops or only when it is convenient? Besides, I do not know what kind of economy you have been living through, but from what I see, we cannot afford to be the world police.

“How Is the War Economy Working for You?” ~ Veterans For Peace

Respectfully, I wasn’t aware that we had concluded the plethora of subjects, topics and debates we were already engaged in, for us to change the subject?

I have no problem with most any subject matter, (sans mathematics) LOL  however, I prefer a coherence to the exchange or dialogue.  Apparently, you find some fault(s) with the Bush Administrations prosecution of war?  I do too, but, I suspect they are different than yours?  LOL

Purveyor

She will forever be labeled thus …. poor thing. LOL

Wasn’t that Attorney General Eric Holders testimony, that it was the fault of the “silicon panels?” 

 Now that the Attorney General has been subpoenaed and will be under oath, I am certain we will find out more about those pesky “silicon panels?”  Solyndra’s CEO just resigned over those darn panels…

Or are you trying to be funny?

Purveyor

A Tale of Two Protests: Media Cheer Wall Street Occupiers But Jeered Tea Partiers

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-dickens/2011/10/13/tale-two-protests-media-cheer-wall-street-occupiers-jeered-tea-par

What liberal media bias?

ROTFLMAO.

The dinosaur media have spent more than 2 years demonizing the Tea Party.

Occupy Wall Street is new.

Don’t worry.  If Occupy Wall Street can be sustained, they will be much more unpopular than the Tea Party next November, no matter how much the dinosaur media tries to protect them.

Did you know that Stalin had one arm that was longer than the other?

Did you know that in Northern Wisconsin, there is a town called “Urin?” Really! The men all wear pith helmets!

Purveyor

You are right- after all, it takes intelligence to sense irony, so it may be asking a little too much of you there.

umm, no, the Tea Party is not, nor has it ever been for bailouts..
 
Its nice though how you can just make shit up…it tells me that you dont have anything to really say expect lies and gay sex act slurs.
 
Your desperation is as sad as it is pathetic.

So, if the Tea Partiers are corporate puppets then why do the banks and corporations give their vast majority of campaign donations to the Democrats?

And how has the Tea Party worked for bailed out banks & auto companies?  Every time it comes for a vote in the House or Senate, they all vote against every bill that comes up.  Maybe you should be looking at Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, or Barack Obama.  It sure as hell wasn’t a GOP president that gave money to Solyndra!!!

You are sadly delusional. The OWS movement is in its infancy, so all your definitive claims about what the OWS is all about is laughable. All I can say is, just wait…

Here is a video of a speaker at Occupy LA- how can you say that this isnt advocating violence?

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/11/occupy-l-a-speaker-violence-will-be-necessary-to-achieve-our-goals/

“Occupy L.A. Speaker: “One of the speakers said the solution is nonviolent movement. No, my friend. I’ll give you two examples: French Revolution, and Indian so-called Revolution.

Gandhi, Gandhi today is, with respect to all of you, Gandhi today is a tumor that the ruling class is using constantly to mislead us. French Revolution made fundamental transformation. But it was bloody.
India, the result of Gandhi, is 600 million people living in maximum poverty.

So, ultimately, the bourgeoisie won’t go without violent means. Revolution! Yes, revolution that is led by the working class.

Long live revolution! Long live socialism!”

This is what a great number of the protesters want: to burn down the fundamental structures of this country and rebuild it in their image- and if blood is shed, so be it.

So please, spare us all your lame propaganda about the “peaceful” protests, because in order for OWS to have an end game, violence is needed for the “bourgeoisie to go away”, which is never what the tea party agenda was about.

I do believe you have your comment all bass ackwards…

So wanting limited government and individual freedom is the same as totalitarian rule? LOL.
 
Comeon…it sounds stupid to even say it…I cant believe that is what you actually see…

You seriously need help…or at least a history lesson or two.
 

The Tea Party wasn’t really against the bailouts because the Tea Party didn’t even exist until 2009, well after the bailout had been pushed through by Bush in 2008 (Remember him). In fact, conservatives everywhere didn’t seems to give a damn about the deficit until Obama came into office. 

Besides, the conservatives that are against the bailout, are against the bailout for the wrong, strictly idelogical reasons. Conservatives don’t like the bailouts because they don’t like the government handing out money. Fair enough really. But they would have had no qualms with crashing the US into another Great Depression based on this ideology alone. 

Most progressives don’t like the bailouts because it was a corporate get out of jail free card. However, they understand that the banks put us in a position to either cut off an arm and a leg, or jump off a cliff. The banks were to blame for even needing a bailout. 

You failed to mention the political corruption involved. Surely you must see a least how it can be perceived that this was a kickback to a top donor…can you be honest and admit it doesnt look good, or are you that far gone?
 
Also, the white house knew all about the price of silicon and still approved the re-structuring of the loan…in fact they were set for another round of loans until Solyndra went bankrupt.
 
I really enjoy you defending the power structure of political cronyism and government subsidized corporations failing with Solyndra, then also supporting the Wall St protesters. Awesome job!

Because they are in power… Their mentality has always been, “Hey these guys are in power now, buy them”.

Of course, several have led the charge to fix this and limit campaigns to public funds only, but the tea partiers call this a limitation on free speech and large corporate entities… ermmm, I mean “job creators” are people too and should be able to donate as much to a particular candidate as they want. (Even though “real”, real people cant even do this)
That is why the tea baggers are corporate puppets and a bigger threat to this country them every terrorist organization combined. 

Loghner is a left wing nihilist anarchist and insane who should never have been able to legally own a gun. Brievik is a socialist.
TP members carried no signs calling for anyones death
OWS contains multiple signs calling for death of the evil capitalists. Don’t forget the guy in California calling for a French style revolution. 
TP called for following the Constitution.
Notice the protesters wearing Guy Fawkes masks. Fawkes tried to blow up Parliament to re install a Catholic Dictatorship.

They were arrested when they broke the law (multiple times), not protesting.

Wait, you’re a Republican. Republicans NEVER want limited government. Hell, you want the government to spy on the citizens, and even torture or murder them if the so desire. You want to the government to monitor people’s sex lives and pregnancies. You want the government to spend belligerently on wars of lies. You want the government to be run by major corporations. Are you friggin’ nuts, or just a liar?

The tea party began specifically in response to the bailouts, so just because they didnt exist before them doesnt disqualify them as being against them- so yes, the tea party was and always has been against bailouts…
 
Its also somewhere between “probably” and “we will never know” that tarp avoided a great depression, so saying that with certainty resembles political rhetoric more than it does actual facts. You are repeating the mantra sold to us for the bill of goods known as the stimulus, which went not to “shovel ready” infrastructure so much as it was to sure up bloated government payrolls and union contracts, which in a strange coincidence is the #1 contributor to the democratic party- besides Wall St themselves.
 
But I wouldnt be so quick to dance on grave of the tea party, because there is no indication that their political strength and conviction has dwindled any, and in fact the constant barrage of accusations and insults only further galvanizes them, so keep it coming.
 

Yes the have, but the Tea Party was disliked by many, with eyes rolling and an OMG are they serious, from day one. It didnt help to have members with signs asking the government to get their hands off of their health care.. or having members troubled by government intervention in their health care while getting dental work at a federally funded clinic. I’m COOL with BOTH movements because of what they are: AMERICANS EXPRESSING SOME DISSATISFACTION FINALLY.. I mean how many years have to pass? I guess the one benefit of finally having a black POTUS was anyone who was avoiding having issues protesting BUSH, can now protest Obie and they dont feel they are disrespecting their “whiteness”.. and I’m COOL with that.. better late than never.. its not like the stuff being protested couldnt have started in 1996!!!

what type of “teabaggers” you hang out with?
 
If you are referring to the tea party, you are wrong to the point of madness. Seriously..you belong in a padded cell.
 
LOL i mean, this is a first..I never heard anyone make the argument that the tea party is communist. LOL classic.
 
So limited government and individual rights = communism and fascism? Wow you are twisted.
 

FACT (I’ve seen a lot of posts on these boards that use the all caps FACT to make some starting point of fact).. IF anything going on in this country today, has you stuck picking SIDES; you are ignorant of the last 20 years of American social and political history and FACT is, you need to take a few week break, review, study and come back when you are ready to address all of this madness from a place without colors. The slow screw that has taken place in this country is WAYYyy older than Obie. Wayyy older than BUSH.. and this sudden awakening and protest of any and all things is GREAT because we will get someone relatively soon to help turn all of this towards clearer water. TILL THEN.. GOP understand CAIN is not the guy. Romney is your best bet. DEMS.. Obama gotcha. He was the perfect foil for relief to anything that was BUSH related but in the end, he’s a little more “Chicago politician” than we were ready for. 
Thats about all I can say..  OWS.. keep it up! TEA PARTY.. embrace the differences and join in.. Drop the colors.. drop the sides.. this country has been here before and candidates have emerged to address the problems at hand. START in your own state.. We share wayy too many problems to continue barking across “sides”.

Limited government? Teabaggers don’t support limited government. They support a government that spends belligerently on wars while reducing taxes on billionaires. They support a government that takes an interest in people’s sex lives and monitors pregnancies. They support a government that spies on its citizens. They support a government that is run by major corporations. They support the biggest big government possible, and most of their ideas came from Stalin and Hitler. What the hell are you talking about?

Listen carefully…I know its hard, because reading comprehension isnt your strong suit:
 
1) Im not a republican. I am registered independent, vote my conscience and believe in the message of the tea party, which is for effective, limited government.
 
2) The tea party isnt for torture, or killing American citizens with predator drones like Obama did.
 
3) Unlike the democrat party who voted en masse for it, The tea party is against the patriot act and for individual freedoms and liberty.
 
4) Being anti-abortion isnt about monitoring sex lives, its about a beating heart has a right to live. This is a civil rights issue. An unborn baby in America today has LESS rights than a slave in 1800.
 
5) No president has been more bought and paid for than Barack Obama…you know, the guy YOU voted for. He has raised more money than any political candidate in history.

So perhaps there is a need for you to reconcile your own beliefs with who you vote for before you start castigating others for theirs.

You don’t know anything about the Teabaggers. You’re confusing them with the tiny group of the same name that Ron Paul used to lead.

Teabaggers (which is just a pseudonym for “embarrassed Republicans”) support a massively powerful government that tortures, murders, uses drones, wages needless wars, and wants to monitor every facet of American life. The Patriot Act is their baby, and if you don’t support the Patriot Act, you are not a patriot in their eyes.

I’m glad I was able to educate you about your “party.”

Ah yes, Stalin AND Hitler. What, Mao’s ideas isnt good enough for the tea party? LOL

I think whatever you are on, you’ve had enough for one night…take it easy pal..! Im worried about you.

Yes, the torture and spying that the Teabaggers support may have been inspired by Mao. Good point.

Well, we’ve made a breakthrough. You understand that the Teabaggers definitely don’t get their inspiration from the Constitution. Congratulations.

The teabaggers were just corporate pawns and were bought and paid for with Koch and Armey money.  

and maybe one day we can have that breakthrough with you so you can understand sarcasm.

Both sides get loads of money from corporations and banks.  They really don’t care who wins, all they care about is whoever is in office will owe them one when they come-a-knockin’.  THIS is what’s fundamentally wrong with our political system today and THIS is why people are pissed off and protesting in the streets of every major US city. 

Actually, I just realized that the Teabaggers probably did get the waterboarding inspiration from Mao.

Teapublicans are self-demonizing. They earn their reputation.

Yes. Congress controls the purse strings. How? By telling the executive branch how much money it can spend.
There used to be this thing called “ear-marks.” Congress would say, Mr. President, this money will go to this special project–a bridge in Alaska, and such like. Then, some conservatives decided that ear-marks were a bad thing, so Congress can’t do that any more. Now they say, “Mr. President, this is your budget for federally funded roads, highways, and bridges. Spend it were you want.

Congress does not “hand out the money.” The executive branch does the actual contracting and paying.

That’s the way it is, and it is constitutional.

As for the Koch Bro’s, they are not bad guys any more than Soros is. All three of them have the right to do what they want with their money in supporting political agendas.

If you wan to have a serious discussion on trade laws, here is a link:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CPRT-107WPRT71824/pdf/CPRT-107WPRT71824.pdf

Overview and compilation of U.S Trade Statutes prepared for the House Ways and Means Committee. You can down-load the whole thing in ,pdf format.

The document is only 1188 pages. I’m sure you will have no problem with that.

There’s another revolution he could have mentioned: the American war of independance. It was closely related to the French revolution, and like the French, its results eventually got corrupted. The difference with France is that the US considered didn’t do anything about it, and sometimes even considered that corruption of their ideals a good thing, whereas France reinvented itself a couple of time. They’re in their fifth republic now, I think. I think it’s time the US started its second republic.

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Breivik is a socialist? Are you insane? Or do you think it was an inside job by the socialist party to kill their own youth in order to discredit their opponents? In that case you’re still insane.

The people he murdered were socialists. Breivik considered socialists evil.

His alegiance was with right-wing parties. I bet he’d feel reasonably at home at the Tea Party, and would despise anyone involved with OWS.

LEEDOG,

A re-read of our dialogue, (including input from GOPER, etc.) indicates that all I did was respond to your chosen subjects.  You mentioned , briefly, the various Bush wars, representing maybe 20% of your comment.  Based on that, why would I think you wanted to change the subject?  Why would I let you?  (Moreover, I saw it as non sequitur as the two topics were unrelated Your Honor?)

LEE, I know this might sound condescending, but, is not meant to be:  You seem to be on the edge of an epiphany, connecting the dots so top speak, and then you get side tracked by some old and invalid lessons, even propaganda?  You have metaphoric “scars” than need “unction.” (archaic word)  You certainly don’t seem be afraid of anyone, though.  Ouch!  

Go back and re-read the dialogue in here tonight.  There are some very good lessons, both in substance and procedure.

The best teacher I had, was a Harvard educated Law Professor (He did NOT practice law)  He was/is associated with the American Indian Movement and was/is a part of the anti-Columbus Day parades in Denver.  Moreover, he absolutely humiliated me in front of a class when I stood my ground, claiming “the 1st amendment is absolute!”  (Bold statements can get you into trouble…LOL)

Anyway, He hesitated and then decided it was time to teach me a lesson… He asked, loudly, “OK, what about threatening to assassinate the President, can you do that with impunity?”  I was dumb struck and my mouth was full of mush!  He didn’t even let me say a thing… he said “NO, you can’t, you’ll get arrested, so is the 1st amendment absolute or not?”  

I had him for 4 or 5 classes over the years, needless to say, he was Liberal and we did not see eye to eye.  BUT, he worked me over and I always got As in Con-Law!

Vaya con Dios    

Oh, my, look at all the sources Koch Industries has to expose Bloomberg’s shoddy journalism.  Always two sides to every story, accusation, etc., not that it matters when it concerns….the Kochs.

http://www.kochfacts.com/kf/koch-general-counsel-mark-holden-responds-to-bloomberg-markets-magazine/

Oh, my, look at all the sources Koch Industries has to expose Bloomberg’s shoddy journalism.  Always two sides to every story, accusation, etc., not that it matters when it concerns….the Kochs.

http://www.kochfacts.com/kf/koch-general-counsel-mark-holden-responds-to-bloomberg-markets-magazine/

I hope no one ever accuses you of being sane.  You’ve already posted this crap concerning the Kochs, it’s going to amount to nothing but a far left talking point.  The anti-Koch Industry players aka the ones that started the rumors are being found….not only credible, they’ve been caught in lies and shabby dealings, in the business world and French courts.  Details Bloomberg chose to leave out even though Koch Industries made the information available.

The Media’s Preoccupation with Occupy Wall Street
In
yesterday’s Jolt, I tried to examine the “We Are the 99 Percent” crowd
and their woes, and I noted that they seem a bit different from the
rabble-rousers defecating on police cars down in Manhattan. (Clearly,
the appropriate “teabagger” epiphet for this group is “copcarpoopers.”) I
feel as if there’s something a bit more substantive than the usual
get-together of drum bangers and the latest batch of Angry Young Men. Still, it’s not that hard to go too far in the opposite direction, as “media theorist” Douglas Rushkoff does at CNN:  In
fact, we are witnessing America’s first true Internet-era movement,
which — unlike civil rights protests, labor marches, or even the Obama
campaign — does not take its cue from a charismatic leader, express
itself in bumper-sticker-length goals and understand itself as having a
particular endpoint. . . . That’s because, unlike a political
campaign designed to get some person in office and then close up shop
(as in the election of Obama), this is not a movement with a traditional
narrative arc. As the product of the decentralized networked-era
culture, it is less about victory than sustainability. It is not about
one-pointedness, but inclusion and groping toward consensus. It is not
like a book; it is like the Internet. First of all, to call this “America’s
first true Internet-era movement” is to ignore the tea parties, or the
anti-war crowd, or any one of a dozen movements we’ve seen since the
1990s. Secondly, as he’s raving about how it’s decentralized and networked and not bound by traditional systems of goals and all of that,
I feel as if when somebody’s showing me their latest,
right-off-the-assembly-line newest gadget. I find myself asking, “So
what does it do?” At The Atlantic, J.J. Gould approvingly cites Rushkoff and declares: However
well we might understand Occupy Wall Street now, in September and
October, we can’t really anticipate what the movement will turn into,
let alone what a “21st-century social movement” is capable of turning
into. Occupy Wall Street could, as far as we know, develop a more
traditional organizational hierarchy and “narrative arc.” It could
fragment into different camps with different policy priorities, or with
no policy priorities. It could end up being co-opted by one or more of
the interest groups that’s already joined with it in apparent
solidarity. Who knows. But that’s all the more reason why we shouldn’t
try to write the book on Occupy Wall Street anytime soon. Instead, let’s
follow this story as it evolves. I’ll
tell you what’s going to happen in the months ahead: In New York, it
will get colder, and then standing around and sleeping in a public park
will be a lot less fun than it is now. Alas, I fear that the body-paint naked girls will be among the first casualties. (That link includes nudity, and thus may not be safe for work.) 

Chris Cillizza
raises the question that I suspect very few in the media want to
seriously consider at this point: What if this group isn’t that big,
doesn’t really speak for that many people, doesn’t catch the public’s
attention and isn’t, in the end, all that important? Just
how closely is the American public watching the ongoing “Occupy Wall
Street” protests going on in New York City and around the country? Not
very, according to new data from the Pew Research Center. 

Just
17 percent said they were following the protests “very closely”.
Independents — at 19 percent — were keeping the closest eye on the
“Occupy” efforts while just 12 percent of Republicans did the same.   

Only
17 percent of self-identified Democrats said they had were watching the
protests closely, a somewhat surprising number given the party’s recent
embrace of the motives and goals of the “OWS” crowd. (Worth noting: 51
percent of self-identified Democrats viewed the “Occupy” protest
favorably in an Ipsos-Reuters survey.) 

By
way of comparison, 24 percent of people in the Pew poll said they
followed the death of Apple founder Steve Jobs very closely while 20
percent said the same about the “current situation in Afghanistan”. (The
10-year anniversary of the U.S. commitment in the country came during
the time the poll was in the field.) The
numbers on “Occupy Wall Street” compare unfavorably to the amount of
interest in the tea party movement at a similar time in its birth.

That’s just a ridiculous statement, Fudgepacker441…..Most of us are literate and many of us are Herman Cain fans….
Where’s the racism in that?

Exactly. Which one, OWS or Tea Party, is siding with corporate greed and abuse of power? Which side watches in glee as police rush in to quell the very acts of rebellion they should be encouraging? Which side is openly calling for, actively encouraging the abuse of one’s First Amendment rights?

If the Baggers are so popular, as Fats Limbaugh tells us 5 days a week, how come Michele “The Eyes” Bachmann isn’t doing better?

There is a curious affliction that many first semester college students, I call it: “know it all itis.”

In fact, the cartoon South Park, did an episode on this very subject whereby “Hippies” invaded South Park, and the Hippies (College Students) believed that after 2 months at CU Boulder, they knew everything!

That did not happen to me when I entered College, as, for some reason, I realized how truly ignorant I was before my education!  LOL

Purveyor

You will have to back that one up with some evidence.

I think you made it up, or were told that by some lying leftist.

“OWS protestors are the only ones who resemble the real thing:  reckless,
foolish, and actually willing to risk arrest and defy authority in
their protests. ”

I will give you that they are reckless and foolish, but they are getting arrested for defying the police and for assaulting them. They deserved to be arrested and to do jail time. It seems this is what they wanted in the first place. There is nothing noble about the OWS protesters. The only real thing they resemble is that they are real fools.

Looks to me like you don’t know what the hell you are talking about.

“France reinvented itself a couple of time. They’re in their fifth
republic now, I think. I think it’s time the US started its second
republic. ”

No it is not. France had to reinvent itself because they are inherently unstable. Italy has had sixty governments since WW II, so should we do the same? The short answer is no. The world depends on the stability of the United States. The rest of the nations on earth can vacillate all they want to, but if the USA falters the whole world suffers.

You have no idea about what you speak.

A few problems with your post –

You have the first two statements inverted as to factual evidence we all have known about the Tea Party for some time now. It is well known that left wing cranks tried to infiltrate the Tea Party rallies and performed all manner of outrageous behaviors to discredit the Tea Party. It didn’t work then and it won’t work now.

Guns? How do we know that OWS protesters are not packing? None of the Tea Party or supposed Tea Party people who were seen carrying weapons were allowed to enter the general area – they were kept on the fringes of the gatherings and I am certain that law enforcement made sure there was no ammunition present. Only a fool like you believes that these people are typical of most Tea Party members.

Your bringing up old lies to justify your position speaks to the base validity of your argument. For instance, you bring up two violent offenders – one of which is not a US citizen and the other is plainly insane.

Brievik – never mentioned the Tea Party – Here are his own words –

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2084895,00.html

It is obvious that Anders Brievik is a violent man who did what he did on his own. Since he is not in the US and has never been to the US I don’t see the connection between him and the Tea Party. That is because there is no connection, just an old lie spread by liberals.

Loghner is certifiably insane. No one told him to do what he did. Why is it that only left wing liberal “news organizations” promoted this idea of him being in accord with tea party beliefs?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2011/01/the_tea_party_and_the_tucson_tragedy.html

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/is-jared-loughner-another-tea-party-lunatic-shooter/question-1433765/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/01/09/934592/-Loughner-believed-in-tea-party-ideas-UPDATED

http://newsone.com/newsone-original/casey-gane-mccalla/arizona-shooter-jared-loughner-has-all-the-ingredients-of-a-tea-party-member/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/09/jared-lee-loughner-rightwing-rants

In point of fact he was not a member of the tea party and is a mentally disturbed individual who acted upon his own delusions. This is not new, and has been discussed at length so why are you trying to resurrect this lie? To the point – Two liberal news agencies refuted this lie –

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2011/01/jared_loughners_hate_came_befo.html

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/why-do-people-blame-the-tea-party-for-loughners-actions-despite-the-fact-he-was-a-fan-of-karl-marx/question-1439653/

Your last statement is rife with problems as well;
“Look at the organized nature of the TP voters, their events and
candidates (corporately sponsored & courtesy of citizens united) and
that of the disorganized nature of the OWS protesters (spontaneous,
organic and grass roots)”

Being organized is not anarchy, more to the point it is the other way around. There is nothing spontaneous or grass roots about OWS, it is being financed by Code Pink and a few Soros organizations, and the Unions are busing in people to march the perimeter of the park shouting slogans and carrying placards. Sorry it isn’t going to work, there is nothing organic about OWS except the biohazard they are creating. Since they repelled the city’s efforts to clean up the park after four weeks of occupation, how long before we see cases of dysentery among the protesters?

 The book has no cover, and even less content.

Brievik was known for his steroid use. He is a crazy lunatic. What’s even crazier is the lefts attempt to tie him to the Tea Party.

They have nothing left except looney OWS idiots who think that Mao was a nice guy and that the French Revolution should happen here.

Some sick people.

“TMP”

I say let them get the free french style haircut first.

Storm troopers were the elite soldiers of the National Socialist Working People’s Party, aka the Nazis. Which party in the US is most like the  National Socialist Working People’s Party? Hint: not the Republicans.

The Democrats had their own shock troops, from the 1870s until very recently. Perhaps you’ve heard of them? the Ku Klux Klan? Today they’ve just got ACORN and SEIU and a few other unions, and they talk revolutionary violence and beat up a few people, but they haven’t killed anyone yet. 

OWS are Union and Communist stooges.  And? 

How is the Tea Party lunacy?

Yet Unions give more to Democrats and Unions are marching in support of OWS.  hmmmmm.  But lets look at your signs for a moment, ok so you find two anti-Democratic signs as opposed to anti-Republican signs.  Interesting.  It is already known that Democrats want more taxes, more regulations, and bigger compared compared to Republicans.  Interesting.  

The Tea Party actually was bubbling while Bush was still in office, at the end due to the TARP bailouts.  The media just had not gotten wind of them yet.  

You want to blame the banks?  A reminder, who in this country makes laws and legislation?  Hint: not banks.     

Assault? You’re a damned liar. The only assaults going on are BY the police.

You are delusional. The NYPD has not been unreasonable in the use of force. The protesters do as much as they can to get ordered to stay out of the street, then they violate that order and resist arrest when the police do their duty. That is not assault, that is subduing a person resisting arrest. Legal in all fifty states, so if you have a problem with that why don’t you get
in-your-face with your local police and see what happens.

You are the damned liar.

This is an unlawful assembly. Police spokesman Paul Browne said 42 people were arrested in Times Square on Saturday night after being warned repeatedly to disperse, and three others were arrested while trying to take down police barriers.

In addition to that, New York police have prohibited protesters from using a public address system because they do not have a permit for their demonstration.

No permit = unlawful.

What part about this do you not understand? These people get themselves in trouble, and physically become combative in resisting arrest, which results in police restraining them. Some struggle to get free and take stupid to a whole other level by trying to push, punch or kick the police and the police respond by using the force necessary to restrain them and put them under arrest. That is not assault. If anyone is assaulting anyone it is the protesters who act this way. The police are entirely within their rights to defend themselves in the performance of their duty.

Get over it.

France and Italy are two very different countries. Why are pointing to Italian problems when I mention a good idea from France? But sure, let’s go with Italy. I’m not saying you need 60 new governments in 60 years. But surely you agree that a new government every 4 or 8 years is better than being stuck with the same government until the boss dies, right?

So France found their Republic had turned into a mess 4 times so far, and rebooted it every time. Now finally Americans are starting to realize that their government is a mess. Why not kick all the old crap out and try for a fresh new start?

In since you haven’t been following the news for the last couple of years, the whole world is already suffering because of the mess in the US. Most of the world would really like the US to clean up its act, though most governments are too afraid to say it.

France and Italy are European socialist countries so there is no real difference in political terms or in matters of policy. They still are not perfect no matter how many times they reform their governments. The fact that they have not been stable since WW II reflects their weak status. There are rioters in the streets on a semi regular basis in France, and in most of Europe as well. You and your OWS friends have yet to try that tactic, but eventually you will because you all are bordering on indoctrinated. I can’t wait until OWS tries it – the scene will be quite entertaining when they get their little rebellion quelled. I saw a photo yesterday of a person wearing a painter’s respirator to protect them from tear gas – it won’t work, and anyone who has been exposed to tear gas knows this.

I just love how you liberal socialists assume so much about others while knowing so little. I have been watching you and your pond scum communist pals for a long time and this OWS is not going to work. You have hitched your horse to the wrong wagon.

Do you have any idea how difficult it would be for what you propose to be done with The Constitution of the United States in place? As much as your 1% brains desire this to become a reality, your anarchist goal will remain out of reach because of people like me. All the veterans in this country will not allow you to take over.

So where do you live Martijn, France or Quebec?

Well that or the fact that you are wrong and the corporate media gave far more attention to the Tea Party when it was tiny and made a considerable effort to make it seem bigger while promoting it, while they ignored the OWS movement for almost a week before it became unavoidable due to it’s exposure online (because of social media not corporate).

Are you seriously trying to suggest the corporate media is secretly harboring an anti-corporate agenda? Where is your irony now?

@ Jerry Baustian – LOL you the National Socialist Party was a far right wing ideology, and the Republicans and the Tea Party have FAR more in common with them than the left. 

And trying to pin the far right wing Ku Klux Klan to the Democrats is idiotic. They are the polar opposite of what a liberal is.You really need to check your left from your right, and your ass from your elbow.

@ Jerry Baustian – LOL you the National Socialist Party was a far right wing ideology, and the Republicans and the Tea Party have FAR more in common with them than the left. 

And trying to pin the far right wing Ku Klux Klan to the Democrats is idiotic. They are the polar opposite of what a liberal is.You really need to check your left from your right, and your ass from your elbow.

@ Jerry Baustian – LOL you the National Socialist Party was a far right wing ideology, and the Republicans and the Tea Party have FAR more in common with them than the left. 

And trying to pin the far right wing Ku Klux Klan to the Democrats is idiotic. They are the polar opposite of what a liberal is.You really need to check your left from your right, and your ass from your elbow.

People are starting to realize the wall street occupiers  are communist  stooges.

Use name calling when you have no real political debate. It helps people see how smart you are!

“Look at the caliber of personalities…”

Excellent idea!  A comparison has already been compiled.  2 1/2 minutes well worth ‘looking at’:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/10/are-occupiers-like-the-tea-party.php#more-30778

Leave your sexual desires out of it!

BS. The Tea Party Movement from the beginning was attacked as violent racists by the left wing establishment media like CNN for instance. Remember the Susan Rosgen incidient? Yet the TPM still prevailed by shifting the talk to saving and spending less money and ousting the democrat Congress in 2010.

OWS on the othe hand got favorable coverage from the begianing. All the alphabet news networks ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN gave favorable coverage except Fox. Favorable meaning the national news commentators kept puffing them up as a “non violent movement” when the local media told the exact opposite story. The national news except for Fox did not focus on the other side of OWS. You know all the violence and rape going on with this movement?

“Well that or the fact that you are wrong and the corporate media gave far more attention to the Tea Party when it was tiny”

Tiny? Are you kidding? There were thousands tea partiers in almost every state rallying. The TPM was such a huge threat to the left they had to make up stuff about the movement in order to shrink their numbers. Get a clue sir.

You DON”T have a First Amendment right to break the the law. What part of illegal do you OWS morons don’t understand? The TPM marched and rallied all over the nation without ONE police arrest. So maybe you OWS’ers should learn something from the TPM. Like you know following the law?

“You are sadly delusional. The OWS movement is in its infancy, ”

And they are already losing some support accoding to the latest Quinnipiac University poll:

“By a 39 – 30 percent margin, American voters have an unfavorable opinion of the Occupy Wall Street movement, with 30 percent who don’t know enough about it for an opinion.” OWS remains for now less unliked than the tea-party movement, though one should keep in mind that it took the tea partiers a good while to achieve this sort of unpopularity.”

Pretty pathetic i’d say.

So the TPM was supported by Fox News ONE right of center news channel? And got months of positive polling because of that. But yet CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS gives OWS the same sort of positive coverage and yet OWS is already sinking in some polls. LOL. What does that tell you?

No the left wing media (CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS) is covering up hard the crazy amount of violence, rapes, drug use, and vandalism OWS has and is engaging in. I’m not surprised about that since the left is in control of the MSM and trying to sugar coat OWS because they in the media support it. I love it when the MSM shows they’re hand. It makes thinking people look at which side the left wing media supports.

“Liberals ALWAYS defend the Constitution.  These are the facts.”

LMAO!!!

Hey Moron. Most of the wars in the 20th Century were started by Progressive democrats. I can go down the list. Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ, and Kennedy. FDR a progressive democrat created interment camps for Japanese citizens and spied on Americans. LBJ another progressive spied on Americans. Corporatist Cilnton repealed Glass Stegel. These are your heroes.  ”Liberals ALWAYS defend the Constitution. ” my ass. Tell me another one.

Stalin was NOT a Republican Conservative but a Communist leader of the USSR. Authoritarian is NOT a right left issue both sides use it. Learn some history before spouting.