I saw/read both speeches and agree with your assessment as to the content and reaction. What struck me most, though, is the difference in their levels of political expertise. I’m sure what much of Obama said was heartfelt but there was a lot of political calculus applied to his speech. If Palin were more experienced politically, she would have kept quiet because that would have served her better. But while not being a typical politician is part of Palin’s appeal, it’s going to be her undoing.

Oh….I get it. Sarah Palin is the victim. Gotcha John.

(I have to say, we have all long known what an utter fraud Ziegler is, but did any of us really know he could be so offensive?)

He writes:

Minutes after comprehending the horror of Saturday’s horrendous shooting, I e-mailed Sarah and Todd Palin to make sure that they saw the same out of control media train barreling in their direction that I did.

— Would have been nice if he’d spent a bit of time in prayer, wouldn’t it?

Wait, in this “post-Tucson” world are we still allowed to used such violent metaphors, or is okay in this case because Obama is one seen as dishing out the blows?

— At least he seizes on what is important, doesn’t he?

He performed the role we ask of our Presidents in times like these as if he was born (in Hawaii) to do so.

— Palinesque snark at its very best.

Reagan would never have given in to the temptation of pandering to his political base at such a supposedly solemn event, as Obama did last night.

— Indeed, Raygun hid behind Nancy’s skirts when our Marines were slaughtered under his watch in Beirut and even failed to greet the returning victims.

the fact she had the gall to use the ancient term “blood libel” which, unbeknownst to most Americans had been apparently legally copyrighted by the Jewish people hundreds of years ago (at least according to the “experts” the media selectively chose to interview)

— Copyrighted by the Jewish people hundred of years ago? One seldom sees such overt Anti-Semitism in America today. But, he’s right. When we focus on the Jews during the Inquisition, the repeated Eastern European pogroms and Shoa, we are not focusing on what we should, Sarah Palin.

the media has misunderstood Sarah Palin

— In fairness to the media, can anyone really understand the complete self-absorption of Palin? And, more importantly, is it fair that we expect her to address the victims, show some concern for them, at least for the child when we all know the true victim of Tucson was Sarah Palin.

Gasket said:
Oh….I get it. Sarah Palin is the victim. Gotcha John.

I’m considering holding a memorial service for her at the Broken Spoke, 3201 South Lamar, Austin, this weekend. Everyone has completely overlook her victimhood, whilst I have wept over it.

Yes, John’s view will be unique. I’m sure Tommy et al will come on board and chastise Sarah for defending herself and protecting herself against the attempted political assassination of her by the so-called media.

ABC claimed Sarah injected herself into this story – after ABC rendered her guilty of murder. The idiot Mark someone (from newsweek or time) claimed that Palin should have rolled over and turned the other cheeck and just allow the mainstream media to declare her the murderer. NBC, in the name of Andrea mitchell claimed Palin ignorant in her use of “blood libel” while NBC gave their lefty counter parts passes time and time again for using the same term.

There isn’t a soul on earth at thispoint in time that recognizes what the media and the democrats attempted here – to turn this event into a political assassination of Sarah Palin. There isn’t a reasonable person on earth who supports this level of vitriol and lies from the media.

Where are the pictures of the t-shirts that team Obama passed out at the memorial last night, and do you thiunk it is appropriate for the memorial to have it’s own “slogan” and t-shirt? Really, that is a level that should be disconcerning to all and should be highlighted here. Is this team Obama’s slogan for his 2012 reelection?

Honestly mediaite, get on that story, why doncha?

In boring bee-in-bottle buzz, like Brokaw voice-over, Obama turns memorial service for murder victims into petty political rally. Egregious, to put it politely. Gorgeous Gov. Sarah Palin responds to tragedy & slander with proper, pertinent, & powerful video & Facebook commentary. Excellent.

crclarkNY said:
I saw/read both speeches and agree with your assessment as to the content and reaction. What struck me most, though, is the difference in their levels of political expertise. I’m sure what much of Obama said was heartfelt but there was a lot of political calculus applied to his speech. If Palin were more experienced politically, she would have kept quiet because that would have served her better. But while not being a typical politician is part of Palin’s appeal, it’s going to be her undoing.

Clark is absolutely right. She f’d it all up with that video. She was already being vindicated by the complete destruction of the accusations towards her by the far left. She responds — defensively, understandably and employs the usual victimhood card. This alienates would-be sympathizers because she deflects attention from the true victims of this tragedy to herself. In the process, she also uses words that offend Jews and coming from a far right evangelical woman, they don’t take such gaffes as typical faux pas. Waiting a few days for things to simmer down (why is she always in a rush to open her mouth?) and checking the political temperature before talking would have served her well, but she didn’t since she has to fight every battle. Obama comes out looking like the prince. Not like he had a very high bar to clear.

The Real Royal King said:

— Copyrighted by the Jewish people hundred of years ago? One seldom sees such overt Anti-Semitism in America today.

Over the top. Cannot believe this made it into “print.”

John Z. has a brain that liberals would be wise to use, if they had one. Libs are still living in a fantasy land that Sarah Palin caused the shooting.

TfT said:

Where are the pictures of the t-shirts that team Obama passed out at the memorial last night, and do you thiunk it is appropriate for the memorial to have it’s own “slogan” and t-shirt? Really, that is a level that should be disconcerning to all and should be highlighted here. Is this team Obama’s slogan for his 2012 reelection?

Honestly mediaite, get on that story, why doncha?

Stop lying. The Obama administration had nothing to do with the sloganeering. it was a local Tucson thing (local TV stations used the same slogan in their pre-memorial specials) and the university was responsible for the disbursement of the FREE t-shirts.

TangledThorns said:
John Z. has a brain that liberals would be wise to use, if they had one. Libs are still living in a fantasy land that Sarah Palin caused the shooting.

He’s the biggest Palin clit-swinger and apologist. Made an entire movie too. For people who like calling out the objectivity of Mediaite’s authors, it’s amazing how we don’t hear it here. Imagine Robert Gibbs or Howard Fineman writing a Palin-Obama speech “review.” You people would be apoplectic.

Lars Svensen said:
In boring bee-in-bottle buzz, like Brokaw voice-over, Obama turns memorial service for murder victims into petty political rally. Egregious, to put it politely. Gorgeous Gov. Sarah Palin responds to tragedy & slander with proper, pertinent, & powerful video & Facebook commentary. Excellent.

I thank the Lord Almighty I don’t share your bitterness, cynicism and negativity.

Lars Svensen said:
In boring bee-in-bottle buzz, like Brokaw voice-over, Obama turns memorial service for murder victims into petty political rally. Egregious, to put it politely. Gorgeous Gov. Sarah Palin responds to tragedy & slander with proper, pertinent, & powerful video & Facebook commentary. Excellent.

Wellstone Memorial Part Deux?

BTW, John Ziegler, Obama NEVER said that the cops were acting like “stupid racists.” You can’t even get something that was said in a televised press conference correct.

The Real Royal King said:
I thank the Lord Almighty I don’t share your bitterness, cynicism and negativity.

Yeah right and you were just on another thread getting your digs in on Gov. Brewer.

And what about ‘Beckerhead, O’Shusterin’ and of course your uncontrollable favorite ‘Koldy’s Phox Phan Club?? or something like that.

Bitterness, cynicism and negativity. Blah! Ha! Ha!

You hand out T Shirts like that at a basket ball game , not a memorial. What’s next? funeral armbands? candle light vigils sponsored by yankee candle?

puck30 said:
Yeah right and you were just on another thread getting your digs in on Gov. Brewer.

What an outrageous lie. I complimented her on a good presentation.

TfT said:
Honestly mediaite, get on that story, why doncha?

You should join Twitter. I was “on” that story last night. Trying to get more details. Keep your eyes peeled, but don’t get too comfortable with your set of assumptions about the t-shirts.

puck30 said:
Yeah right and you were just on another thread getting your digs in on Gov. Brewer.

And what about ‘Beckerhead, O’Shusterin’ and of course your uncontrollable favorite ‘Koldy’s Phox Phan Club?? or something like that.

Bitterness, cynicism and negativity. Blah! Ha! Ha!

Let’s admit the truth, The Real Royal King is to blame for this tragedy.

John… the media do no misunderstand Sarah Palin. They understand her completely. Then they turn around and lie about her and smear her and attack her. I always thought they were like that because they were stupid or a little slow on the uptake. But, after all this time, that is not it. The liberal media is quite simply evil. They are low life liberals with no shame and are intent on attacking Sarah Palin because she has exposed them for being liberal hacks who have been spreading the smelly liberal propaganda for decades.
Before the internet became the medium, they had us by the proverbial balls. They controlled the discourse. But now, they have lost control. The internet is instant and has more truth in it than 10 years of bull crap from the “lame stream media”.
So, screw the LSM, let them rot as their structure falls apart.

By the way, great clip of Al Sharpton becoming speechless… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CatBSsYG_to

Has anyone been able to reach Mark (Obama needs his own OK CIty) Penn for comment? I’d love to know if the speech was all he dreamed it would be.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Has anyone been able to reach Mark (Obama needs his own OK CIty) Penn for comment? I’d love to know if the speech was all he dreamed it would be.

Tell me, tell us all, Michelle-in-Utah, what is it like to wake up every morning and clothe yourself in the same soiled hatred, bitterness and cynicism?

Mission accomplished Libs:

(ABC News) — An aide close to Sarah Palin says death threats and security threats have increased to an unprecedented level since the shooting in Arizona, and the former Alaska governor’s team has been talking to security professionals.

Lars Svensen said:
In boring bee-in-bottle buzz, like Brokaw voice-over, Obama turns memorial service for murder victims into petty political rally. Egregious, to put it politely. Gorgeous Gov. Sarah Palin responds to tragedy & slander with proper, pertinent, & powerful video & Facebook commentary. Excellent.

You are so far behind you only think you’re in first! Honestly, most of you are no better or worse then any other radical batsh** crazy out there!!

While I did like the Palin speech, in the end I am coming to realize that she should have just stayed quiet on the personal attacks against her and focused on the tragedy at hand. It would have made her above the outlandish accusations against her and it would have been a reminder to all that the victims of this tragedy should be the main focus here.

I hope she gets better at this and because of who she is will have better choice of words in future. Gotta remember Sarah, pick and choose your battles. This was a poor choice politically but a noble one overall.

Nineteen people were shot and six of them died.

Maybe Sarah Palin could stop acting like she is the victim here and everything is about her. There are graceful and appropriate ways for a real leader to make a statement that does not make the story all about him or her. Her video was not one of them. It is not about Palin vs the president of the United States. How arrogant.

Making John Ziegler compare and contrast the two speeches would never be accepted in a real life situation. It’s like selecting a referee who is openly a fan of the Yankees officiating a match between the Yankees and the Red Sox.

John Ziegler is no better either!

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Mission accomplished Libs:

(ABC News) — An aide close to Sarah Palin says death threats and security threats have increased to an unprecedented level since the shooting in Arizona, and the former Alaska governor’s team has been talking to security professionals.

I realize that this is not your own BS, that you are merely citing other’s BS, but Palin has continuously been surrounded by armed guards. Todd even makes quite a show of heading up her security, wearing black and reflective sun glasses and packing heat. This is just Palin trying to deflect from her Anti-Semitic imagery yesterday. Not surprising you bought into it ….

Does anyone else hear that high pitching screeching? Man it’s annoying!

Gasket said:
She f’d it all up with that video. She was already being vindicated by the complete destruction of the accusations towards her by the far left. She responds — defensively, understandably and employs the usual victimhood card. This alienates would-be sympathizers ….

I don’t believe that Palin’s video is going to change anyone’s mind one way or another. The people who dislike her will never agree with anything she says or does. Accuse her of playing the “victimhood card” if you will, but it’s plain to anyone who’s paying attention that the media is and has been engaged in a concerted effort to destroy her.

No surprise that Ziegler is trying to get out ahead of the complete disaster that was Sarah Palin’s FB video. Yesterday the contrasts couldn’t have been more clear. President Obama made his speech all about healing and making this a country that Christina Green would be proud of.

Sarah Palin made the speech all about her and how she is being treated so unfairly. Palin completely failed her first real Presidental test yesterday and once again Barack Obama shows why he destroyed McCain/Palin in 2008.

Not only is Sarah not ready for the big leagues, her constant complaining and martyrdom makes it harder for women in general to be taken seriously in politics. She is horrible for women in general and is the stereotypical woman whining and bitching about how unfair everything is and how the world is against her, it sounds like the stereotype of the helpless woman.

I like many others today are happy that Barack Obama is President, he shows true leadership and tries to bring us all together. Sarah Palin is seeking to divide us and make martyrs of her side. She is petty and unfortunately used this tragedy, including the murder of a child to further her political gains and take cheap shots at the other side.

I know who the true leader is, and it certainly isn’t Sarah Palin.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Does anyone else hear that high pitching screeching? Man it’s annoying!

You are alone in your room, so its probably the crap coming out of your mouth.

The Real Royal King said:
I’m considering holding a memorial service for her at the Broken Spoke, 3201 South Lamar, Austin, this weekend. Everyone has completely overlook her victimhood, whilst I have wept over it.

How about the Dog & Duck instead ? I get flashbacks in the Broken Spoke.

The Real Royal King said:
I realize that this is not your own BS, that you are merely citing other’s BS, but Palin has continuously been surrounded by armed guards. Todd even makes quite a show of heading up her security, wearing black and reflective sun glasses and packing heat. This is just Palin trying to deflect from her Anti-Semitic imagery yesterday. Not surprising you bought into it ….

RRK, I live in a house full of Jews and they all say “so what?” about the blood libel thing. I think the country is locked in for 2012. Obama vs. Sarah Babe Goldwater. We know what the result will be. I’ve only voted for two winners since ’72 (Reagan and Clinton). Looks like that won’t change.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Mission accomplished Libs:

(ABC News) — An aide close to Sarah Palin says death threats and security threats have increased to an unprecedented level since the shooting in Arizona, and the former Alaska governor’s team has been talking to security professionals.

Point? I doubt Palin gets as many now as the president did on the campaign trail. Have they even caught people trying to assassinate Palin? They did with Obama. Mission accomplished, righties.

Still no mention of the big lie by Oblahblah last night.

figures…..

VoiceofReason said:
Still no mention of the big lie by Oblahblah last night.

figures…..

what lie did PRESIDENT OBAMA tell?

Judge Mental said:
I don’t believe that Palin’s video is going to change anyone’s mind one way or another. The people who dislike her will never agree with anything she says or does. Accuse her of playing the “victimhood card” if you will, but it’s plain to anyone who’s paying attention that the media is and has been engaged in a concerted effort to destroy her.

Precisely the reason why she did NOT need to put out the video. It’s putting out a fire with gasoline.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Mission accomplished Libs:

(ABC News) — An aide close to Sarah Palin says death threats and security threats have increased to an unprecedented level since the shooting in Arizona, and the former Alaska governor’s team has been talking to security professionals.

Demagoguery is bad mmmmmkay? I repudiate the death threats towards the woman. They have no place in a civilized society. I have no problem saying that. Every action has a reaction though. You become provocative, incendiary — expect people (even crazy ones) to respond. There’s a reason Huckabee and Romney for example are not getting death threats so the whole “I am a conservative” victimhood card does not work here honey.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Mission accomplished Libs: (ABC News) — An aide close to Sarah Palin says death threats and security threats have increased to an unprecedented level since the shooting in Arizona, and the former Alaska governor’s team has been talking to security professionals.

Comes with the turf, if she can’t handle it then step out of the spotlight. The public is getting tried of her whining.

Ziegler wrote, “Thanks to the political dialogue having left the gravitational pull of the rational earth since the tragedy in Tucson,…”

Since Tucson?!?! On what planet has Ziegler been living for the last two years? The political rhetoric of the reactionary right, i.e., race-baiting and vitriotic right (Beck, Limbaugh, Savage, et al, left the gravitational pull of Earth the day of Obama’s inauguration.

Ziegler added, ” it will be far too enticing for them to refrain from comparing the two presentations, as if they were remotely similar.”

But, he commences to do exactly that without a trace of self-aware hypocrisy. Go on.

Ziegler asserted, “Obama … knows exactly what the media will let him get away with (nearly anything),….”

Apparently Ziegler missed Olbermann’s diatribe against the President’s tax compromise last December or Maddow’s expressed alarm at the Presidential order to have an American citizen assassinated off the battlefield for being SUSPECTED of involvement with Al-Quada (months, btw, before Beck noticed it). I could go on with many criticisms of the President from the left, but the point has been made.

Ziegler added, “This is the Obama who, barring a major disaster, will likely get reelected.”

And that makes reactionaries like Ziegler and most people writing comments here so sad.

More Ziegler: “I have a rule, whenever criticizing anyone, that I at least provide an alternative mode of behavior. So, in that vein, what exactly was she supposed to do?”

How about doing what Obama did: use words that heal and avoid divisive and insulting language like “blood libel.” How about turning the other cheek for just one speech, ignore her critics and stick with words that pulled us together as, indeed, 90% of her speech did?

Then the lie: Ziegler posited: “in an era where a President can claim local police acted like stupid racists without a shred of evidence, was more than presidential.”

Obama did NOT say the cops acted like stupid racists; he said that they acted stupid for arresting a man who was in his own home and had proven that he was in his own home. The charges were dropped because THE ARREST WAS STUPID!

Ziegler finally claimed, “But thanks to the media, Sarah Palin lives by a different set of rules than anyone else (especially President Obama).”

Palin quit her job as governor because she makes up her own rules. Based upon what the people in her (McCain’s) presidential campaign said about her Going Rogue, it’s clear that Palin made up her own (false) version of reality too. In that, she joins Beck and Fox in general. When it comes to making up reality, making false claims and demonstrating sheer hypocrisy, this column is just piling on. It’s more destructive than constructive at a time when we need words that soothe. We need e pluribus unum, but we get more division from the far right, division as in “A Tall Tale of Two Speeches.”

In the backlash that is the Age of Obama, that is the best that the reactionary right can offer–even in this period of national tragedy. Sad and pathetic.

Palin was McCain’s hail mary pass that failed. She has proven to be the nimrod she started out to be. Yesterday was just another failed attempt at faux intelligence. She’s a “made” woman by conservative with money to grab more money from the weak minded. You guys did this with Bush and lived to regret. Which only goes to prove you really can’t put lipstick on a pig and call it beef.

Obama’s line on civility was not one of these moments. The attacks on her ‘blood libel’ term were ridiculous, many terms have ugly historical contexts. This coverage undermines the media credibility, and Fox News gains from it. That’s where we are.

While political tone had nothing to do with the Tuscon shootings, why can’t we learn from the beauty of the ‘Congress on the Corner’ event where this horror occurred? Celebrate that on a Saturday morning, a Congress woman went to speak to her constituents, and people came to be heard.

Truthfully, the uncivil tone permeates our entire culture, and we can do much better.

Yet another irrelevant Mediaite “story” to give the children here another sandbox to piss in.

Reality Bites says:
“Yet another irrelevant Mediaite “story” to give the children here another sandbox to piss in.”

What part of “Columnists” do you not understand? The relevance is in how Palin’s reactionary defender rationalized her use of an anti-Semitic and flat out hateful phrase to denounce her critics. She WAS unfairly tied to the nut case Loughner, but her speech released yesterday was not the time to fight back at her critics. This should be the time of healing. By the way, she did put up a map with gun sight cross hairs, and she did use the language of “reload” and bullseye. The only “libel” would be those who connected her irresponsible weapon-speech directly to Loughner. Pointing out that she contributed to the climate of hate and fear certainly is not libel.

Let us know when you make an “adult” comment. I don’t remember one yet.

david r said:
I get flashbacks in the Broken Spoke.

Who doesn’t? That’s part of the charm of the place.

ImRubberYoureGlue said:
To all you Palin-haters (aka Jareds). You can stop insisting that Palin shut her mouth.

Just as Gabby is proving with her inspirational fight to survive, women will not be silenced by you bullies.

P.S. If you have an irrational hate toward Sarah Palin and leap to blame her for things she had nothing to do with or believe that she should be your girlfriend and she doesn’t even know your name. If you focus an unhealthy amount of emotion on her or believe that you should be able to control her–please get help before you hurt someone. YOU are to blame for what happened in Arizona because you make it socially ‘normal’ to heave misogyny on women in politics. You are the problem if you ever called her a “bitch.” You are a Jared. Sickos.

You’re trying to read something into this that isn’t even there. Every criticism of Palin doesn’t amount to misogyny. A psycho killing a woman does not amount to misogyny. You’re no better than people who cry “racist” at every criticism of the president.

GlennBeckReview said:
Reality Bites says:“Yet another irrelevant Mediaite “story” to give the children here another sandbox to piss in.” What part of “Columnists” do you not understand? The relevance is in how Palin’s reactionary defender rationalized her use of an anti-Semitic and flat out hateful phrase to denounce her critics. She WAS unfairly tied to the nut case Loughner, but her speech released yesterday was not the time to fight back at her critics. This should be the time of healing. By the way, she did put up a map with gun sight cross hairs, and she did use the language of “reload” and bullseye. The only “libel” would be those who connected her irresponsible weapon-speech directly to Loughner. Pointing out that she contributed to the climate of hate and fear certainly is not libel. Let us know when you make an “adult” comment. I don’t remember one yet.

DING DONG!! DING DONG!!

Tommy:

Glad to see you are on top of the story; no thanks on the twitter thing though. I don’t know what “assumptions” you think I’m referring to, especially since my comments on the t-shirt thing were questions.

Anyway, I eagerly await a response to the whole t-shirt thing and why t-shirts would be used at a memorial….the students kind of embarrassed themselves over this whole thing.

Gasket said:
Stop lying. The Obama administration had nothing to do with the sloganeering. it was a local Tucson thing (local TV stations used the same slogan in their pre-memorial specials) and the university was responsible for the disbursement of the FREE t-shirts.

Who paid for the t-shirts?

ImRubberYoureGlue says:

To all you Palin-haters (aka Jareds). You can stop insisting that Palin shut her mouth.

bdpritch says:

Again, you misconstrue that people speak out about Sara based on merit and not hate. Please come out of denial to note that “sometimes” for Sara Palin this is “no time” it’s better to be silent, plan your next move and not always be on the defensive. But what should one expect from a woman that can see Russia from her porch in Alaska, or shoot animals for sports, or is an avid NRA supporter, or confirmed that she knew nothing about the VP position she was running for, or her abuse of power as governor in the BRANCHFLOWER REPORT-And yet she’s still chosen to run for VP of this country. The world is laughing.. Or to think NRA she creates an infamous BULLS EYE MAP to further mock the American Political System, and behold the target was met,

Oh yeah, she’s the victim.

This is just Palin trying to deflect from her Anti-Semitic imagery yesterday.

Kudos to the King for finally awakening to anti-Semitism. Whenever I’ve mentioned anti-Semitism coming from the Natiion of Islam, he seemed very reluctant to talk about it.

ImRubberYoureGlue said:
You’re in denial. Violence against women happens in unprecedented numbers. Palin is targeted most often for being a women with a voice.

If you dare deny the sexist hate that’s been leveled at Palin out in the open; ‘Carbiou Barbie,’ bitch, c*nt, whore, conversations about her uterus, the nutz-n-slutz argument, her parenting, her intellect (which is no different that any elected male yahoo), she’s a ‘diva,’ she wants ‘attention’–then you are a ‘Jared Loughner’ and living in some kind of fantasy land.

Palin has done nothing to warrant the irrational–CRAZY hate focused on her by so many bizarre, desperate, lonely men.

And it began when McCain choose her as a running mate and you sickos felt she should have ‘known her place.’

Since then, you have tried to put her in it.

You assholes faulted her for taking herself seriously! You’re PIGS.

Unfortunately you’re the one in denial here. Most of the women I’ve met actually don’t even like Palin. I don’t think she’s a good role model for women, I don’t think Michele Bachmann is either. Hillary Clinton, Oprah, Condoleeza Rice, Margaret Thatcher, Michelle Obama, Princess Diana, these are good role models for women. Palin has recieved just as much criticism as Nancy Pelosi, although the right only hurls insults at Pelosi. Where is your outrage there?
I’m not denying there’s anger and hatred being lobbed at her, but it’s not all because she’s a woman or mostly because she’s a woman like you’re trying to portray. Are you honestly trying to compare me to a deranged killer simply because I don’t view her as a good role model? I’m sorry if believing anybody male or female who quits because they can’t take the pressure is a bad role model. Condoleeza didn’t quit.
Yes, she doesn’t deserve a good deal of it, but there is quite a bit which is warranted. No, she should not have been McCain. If the book Game Change means anything then she didn’t know anything. i don’t want somebody who knows nothing a heartbeat away from the presidency. I don’t want Biden a heartbeat away from the presidency personally. The man would go to war with japan because shonen jump is on break.
You’re a delusional person who’s not in reality. The world isn’t all black and white like you think.

I think Ziegler is trying too hard to draw a complementary line here, but that’s his job so we can’t take his dissemblances that seriously. For those of us who saw both and have no real dog in this fight, we saw two very different responses to a single event. For the President, this was a reason to raise expectations for ourselves and create a more perfect union. For Palin the message was “It’s not my fault.” Once again, Palin’s approach has landed her in some controversy while her supporters claim (once again) that the whole thing has been manufactured by the media. This keeps happening to her whenever she steps out from behind her one-way mirror, and you have to ask: is the rest of the world really responsible for Sarah Palin’s PR problem or could it be that she really lacks the basic skills to thrive in the public sphere?

To show how classless some of the people were, when Gov. Jan Brewer got up to speak at the Memorial (Democrat Pep rally) SOME PEOPLE BOOED her.

Yes there was some Liberals who booed the Republican Governor at a “memorial” for the shooting victims.

From an Arizona newspaper;

“…the memorial service for being overly partisan and more like a pep rally, and there were some boos in the hall when Gov. Jan Brewer, a Republican, spoke. Those reactions would have been hard to imagine, say, in the days after the Oklahoma City bombing.”

Low class and sick.

Nice work Mediaite…I thought your comment section was the last bastion for knuckle dragging flat-earthers outside of The Daily Caller or WorldNet Daily, but apparently you’ve opened up your Columnist section now as well.

Bravo!

The Difference.

Student talks about the difference between the Virginia Tech massacre memorial and this pep…I mean memorial;

“I was in the audience in Cassel Coliseum on April 17, 2007. I heard President Bush speak after a crazy b@st@rd (Seung-Hui Cho) shot up my college.

In a few days I would bury a man whom I had last seen when he came up to me the week earlier to congratulate me on my baptism and entry into the Catholic Church over Easter Weekend. It would be my first military funeral, but not my last.

His name was Matthew Joseph La Porte.

I was a sophomore member of the Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets (VTCC). Several of my friends and the woman I love most dearly were supposed to be in Norris Hall. Thankfully none of them were due to being late, ill, or simply choosing to skip classes. I was sequestered in the Pamplin College of Business building during the attack.

President Bush spoke for barely 10 minutes if that. He was solemn, dignified and respectful-although the microphone that broadcast into the rest of the coliseum was barely working and we could barely hear and understand him as a result-we got the point he made.

President Obama’s disgusting attempt at what appears to be a political rally in the wake of a similar massacre is beyond reprehensible.

Joshua sends a video reminder that there are young people — taking their cue from solemn adults — who know how to act appropriately at a college campus memorial for victims of mass murder. Flashback:”

ImRubberYoureGlue said:
Stop telling me what women think, Jared. I won’t even read your blather beyond here. You have no ability to see the truth in front of your face. Plenty of women do like Palin, or admire her for one reason or another. What does that have to do with violence against women? Nothing. You are an idiot, sexist pig.

IRYG
You owe Idiots and Pigs everywhere an apology.

Actually kvon the majority of places have MORE Conservative posters, with exceptions to Daily Kos,, Huffington Post and the Dem Underground.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Point? I doubt Palin gets as many now as the president did on the campaign trail. Have they even caught people trying to assassinate Palin?

Did they ever catch the people that torched her church?

Latin2 said:
Actually kvon the majority of places have MORE Conservative posters, with exceptions to Daily Kos,, Huffington Post and the Dem Underground.

Number one, does that mean you’re going to stop crying (like a damned baby) about Liberal Bias? Number two, there is a huge difference between a rational Conservative like say David Frum and a imbecile such as John Zeigler.

ImRubberYoureGlue said:
Stop telling me what women think, Jared. I won’t even read your blather beyond here. You have no ability to see the truth in front of your face. Plenty of women do like Palin, or admire her for one reason or another. What does that have to do with violence against women? Nothing.

You are an idiot, sexist pig.

Wait, you tell me what men think then tell me not to do the same? Furthermore as I said before, I have never killed anybody or called a woman the b-word, so please don’t compare me to that person, birther. You’re the one not seeing the truth here, you’re only seeing what you want to. You’re p;acing generalization on me when you know nothing of me. I’ve never said that sexism didn’t exist or that it’s not a problem, I only said that it is not the driving force behind criticism of Palin. Maddow is a woman and she regularly criticizes Palin. I didn’t say nobody liked her, I was speaking from MY EXPERIENCE. And the numbers side with my experience based on her approval ratings.
You’re the idiot here. I’m guessing you’re one of those EXTREMIST feminists who sees everything as sexist and misogynistic. Let me help you out; Eminem=misogynistic, me=not! (disclaimer: please note that I do not decry the feminism movement, only extremism)

GlennBombshellReady! said:
What part of “Columnists” do you not understand? The relevance is in how Palin’s reactionary defender rationalized her use of an anti-Semitic and flat out hateful phrase to denounce her critics.

“Blood libel” is not an anti-Semitic term, you moron. It’s what anti-Semites do. It is no more hateful than the word “hateful”. Blood libel, in the original sense, is a crime against Jews. People who do it don’t use the term, as it condemns them.

kvon said:
Number one, does that mean you’re going to stop crying (like a damned baby) about Liberal Bias? Number two, there is a huge difference between a rational Conservative like say David Frum and a imbecile such as John Zeigler.

Actually the MAJORITY of the people in America KNOW there is liberal bias on many polls.

In fact just the latest poll of this shooting tragedy proves that the American public knows that Media is biased Liberally.

Just in this recent incident a poll showed that over 50% of the people closely following the story say that the majority of the MSM tried to use this incident to attack Conservatives.

So there yo go.

I know Liberals like you, kvon, live in a cocoon of Liberalism, but the majority of people in the U.S. are not Liberal.

da-wdc said:
Nineteen people were shot and six of them died. Maybe Sarah Palin could stop acting like she is the victim here and everything is about her. There are graceful and appropriate ways for a real leader to make a statement that does not make the story all about him or her. Her video was not one of them. It is not about Palin vs the president of the United States. How arrogant.

Nineteen people were shot and six of them died. And before knowing why the shooter did what he did the left called Sarah Palin a Murderer. How is she not a victim? She has never made this about her but the liberals came out full force and made it about her. Her speech, they only one she made about this, was very reserved and tasteful and she called on everyone not to behave this way just as the President called for. Yet here you are still doing it. The speeches attacking her are quite numerous even after it has been proven she had no connection of any kind.

ImRubberYoureGlue said:
I did?

Again, I cannot get past the initial stupidity to read the whole of your comment.

Dude, if you cannot see the sexism, get. help. There is clearly something you don’t want to admit or let go of. It’s scary.

Most human beings don’t need to deny there is a problem with sexism not just in politics, but across the board.

Get. Help.

Translation: I cannot counter what you have said so I’ll pick something out that I think I can.

I can point out 2 instances. One where you tell me what “real men” would do and one where you tell me what i think or would do, both in the same post. Read what i said again. I did not say there was no sexism, nitwit. But to say that is the driving force behind the criticism is just plain foolish, especially when the majority of the country dislikes Palin and the country is mostly women. You’re putting words in my mouth with no basis because I’ve never said anything that you’re trying to attribute to me. You seem to be the sexist one here.

gjp said:
You hand out T Shirts like that at a basket ball game , not a memorial. What’s next? funeral armbands? candle light vigils sponsored by yankee candle?

You must have been listening to Michele Malkin. She would never give this President credit for anything. The President’s speach gave to Tusson, the American public and the families directly impacted by this tragedy the needed left in a time of grief. If Palin would have focused more on the victims instead of personal gain we would not be having this conversation today. If Palin would focus on how to bring this country together instead of this me selfious mind set she has she may at least be someone to talk about. She reminds me of this spoiled kid that set in the corner and whines when they don’t get their way.

I agree that many on the Left have gone completely overboard on Conservative WOMEN.

If you watch Keith Olbermann he really gets off on attacking women.

I think he has a personal problem with women and authority.

Pablo said:
“Blood libel” is not an anti-Semitic term, you moron. It’s what anti-Semites do. It is no more hateful than the word “hateful”. Blood libel, in the original sense, is a crime against Jews. People who do it don’t use the term, as it condemns them.

You need to do some reading, my friend.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/jud_blib2.htm

Just don’t mention Farrakhan and anti-Semitism. Louie has to be present in order to do that.

Gasket said:
BTW, John Ziegler, Obama NEVER said that the cops were acting like “stupid racists.” You can’t even get something that was said in a televised press conference correct.

No he said the Harvard cops acted “stupidly” and let the obvious racism inference be taken. Fair characterization actually. Why is it the Left quibbles like lawyers when ever someone does what they do daily?

John, we know you need Palin to be a viable candidate for you to remain relevant. But I have some sad news: She self-destructed in a big way yesterday. Your gravy train is drying up.

All of America today is comparing Sarah’s speech to Obama’s. (Her choice of timing guaranteed that this would be so.) And as one noted pundit said, the contrast shows why one of them is president and one of them never will be.

The Real Royal King said:
You need to do some reading, my friend.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/jud_blib2.htm

Yeah? OK.

Blood libel accusations against Jews:

I’m back. Now What?

The Real Royal King said:
Tell me, tell us all, Michelle-in-Utah, what is it like to wake up every morning and clothe yourself in the same soiled hatred, bitterness and cynicism?

You could probably answer that very well yourself.

M Colins, I’ve tried asking the King that. He won’t answer. Usually replies he has to catch a plane.

The Real Royal King said:
You need to do some reading, my friend.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/jud_blib2.htm

Yet Harvard prof and Jew Alan Dershowitz saw no problem in using the metaphor.

Really, Kook, did you see something in that link that would lead one to believe that blood libel is anything other than a crime against Jews, in the historical context? It’s a big, long list of such “blood libel” offenses.

GlennBeckReview said:
Ziegler wrote, “Thanks to the political dialogue having left the gravitational pull of the rational earth since the tragedy in Tucson,…” Since Tucson?!?! On what planet has Ziegler been living for the last two years? The political rhetoric of the reactionary right, i.e., race-baiting and vitriotic right (Beck, Limbaugh, Savage, et al, left the gravitational pull of Earth the day of Obama’s inauguration. Ziegler added, ” it will be far too enticing for them to refrain from comparing the two presentations, as if they were remotely similar.” But, he commences to do exactly that without a trace of self-aware hypocrisy. Go on. Ziegler asserted, “Obama … knows exactly what the media will let him get away with (nearly anything),….” Apparently Ziegler missed Olbermann’s diatribe against the President’s tax compromise last December or Maddow’s expressed alarm at the Presidential order to have an American citizen assassinated off the battlefield for being SUSPECTED of involvement with Al-Quada (months, btw, before Beck noticed it). I could go on with many criticisms of the President from the left, but the point has been made. Ziegler added, “This is the Obama who, barring a major disaster, will likely get reelected.” And that makes reactionaries like Ziegler and most people writing comments here so sad. More Ziegler: “I have a rule, whenever criticizing anyone, that I at least provide an alternative mode of behavior. So, in that vein, what exactly was she supposed to do?” How about doing what Obama did: use words that heal and avoid divisive and insulting language like “blood libel.” How about turning the other cheek for just one speech, ignore her critics and stick with words that pulled us together as, indeed, 90% of her speech did? Then the lie: Ziegler posited: “in an era where a President can claim local police acted like stupid racists without a shred of evidence, was more than presidential.” Obama did NOT say the cops acted like stupid racists; he said that they acted stupid for arresting a man who was in his own home and had proven that he was in his own home. The charges were dropped because THE ARREST WAS STUPID! Ziegler finally claimed, “But thanks to the media, Sarah Palin lives by a different set of rules than anyone else (especially President Obama).” Palin quit her job as governor because she makes up her own rules. Based upon what the people in her (McCain’s) presidential campaign said about her Going Rogue, it’s clear that Palin made up her own (false) version of reality too. In that, she joins Beck and Fox in general. When it comes to making up reality, making false claims and demonstrating sheer hypocrisy, this column is just piling on. It’s more destructive than constructive at a time when we need words that soothe. We need e pluribus unum, but we get more division from the far right, division as in “A Tall Tale of Two Speeches.” In the backlash that is the Age of Obama, that is the best that the reactionary right can offer–even in this period of national tragedy. Sad and pathetic.

I see your jealolusy extends past GB…..go figure…..

two different people…
two different roles…
two different audiences…
two different messages…
two different purposes…

both valid, yet different….

Why the heck did we go here???

Wow, I’ve officially lost all respect for Mediaite for giving this idiot a platform to spew his stupidity.

ImRubberYoureGlue says:
“Palin has been treated to the worst misogyny this country has to offer.”

You confuse misogyny with criticism of stupidity. She could have helped heal, but she chose to attack and divide. A smarter women, someone truly presidential, would have taken the high road. Instead, Palin sunk her possibility of winning the Republican nomination. It’s her own fault.

Blood libel: what a moron.

I also heard something even more moronic about voting and arms, but I don’t have the quote handy this moment.

In the definite minority here, I think Palin’s video speech was near perfect and near perfectly timed. If you wonder about the disconnect between the audience and Obama, I believe it is because they correctly expected a right bashing anti talk radio speech. There are remnants of it in the speech that was given. You can see it in the tee shirts and the rally atmosphere which was encouraged by those who made the preparations. But Sarah’s speech, coming 12 hours before the President’s, set up a contest. Who is going to look more presidential, which in this context meant conciliatory and non-partisan, Palin or Obama. He had little choice but to scale it back and change the tone. It isn’t what his base wanted but he would have seriously alienated independents if he had encouraged the blood libel. And yes, it was a blood libel. See , for example, http://www.seraphicpress.com for a use of that very phrase to describe the attacks against Palin and written by an observant Jew well skilled in the use of language. Her video deflected an attack and more piling on. It was masterful. By callng it what it was she challenged Obama to either continue the libel or stand down. He chose to stand down. She also proved, once again, that she is the only potential Republican presidential candidate with any courage. That is much needed. Whoever gets the nomination will be repeatedly subjected to scurrilous slurs. We know that from past experience. Who, other than Sarah Palin has been willing to stand up to them and fight back?

GlennBeckReview said:
Ziegler wrote, “Thanks to the political dialogue having left the gravitational pull of the rational earth since the tragedy in Tucson,…” Since Tucson?!?! On what planet has Ziegler been living for the last two years? The political rhetoric of the reactionary right, i.e., race-baiting and vitriotic right (Beck, Limbaugh, Savage, et al, left the gravitational pull of Earth the day of Obama’s inauguration. Ziegler added, ” it will be far too enticing for them to refrain from comparing the two presentations, as if they were remotely similar.” But, he commences to do exactly that without a trace of self-aware hypocrisy. Go on. Ziegler asserted, “Obama … knows exactly what the media will let him get away with (nearly anything),….” Apparently Ziegler missed Olbermann’s diatribe against the President’s tax compromise last December or Maddow’s expressed alarm at the Presidential order to have an American citizen assassinated off the battlefield for being SUSPECTED of involvement with Al-Quada (months, btw, before Beck noticed it). I could go on with many criticisms of the President from the left, but the point has been made. Ziegler added, “This is the Obama who, barring a major disaster, will likely get reelected.” And that makes reactionaries like Ziegler and most people writing comments here so sad. More Ziegler: “I have a rule, whenever criticizing anyone, that I at least provide an alternative mode of behavior. So, in that vein, what exactly was she supposed to do?” How about doing what Obama did: use words that heal and avoid divisive and insulting language like “blood libel.” How about turning the other cheek for just one speech, ignore her critics and stick with words that pulled us together as, indeed, 90% of her speech did? Then the lie: Ziegler posited: “in an era where a President can claim local police acted like stupid racists without a shred of evidence, was more than presidential.” Obama did NOT say the cops acted like stupid racists; he said that they acted stupid for arresting a man who was in his own home and had proven that he was in his own home. The charges were dropped because THE ARREST WAS STUPID! Ziegler finally claimed, “But thanks to the media, Sarah Palin lives by a different set of rules than anyone else (especially President Obama).” Palin quit her job as governor because she makes up her own rules. Based upon what the people in her (McCain’s) presidential campaign said about her Going Rogue, it’s clear that Palin made up her own (false) version of reality too. In that, she joins Beck and Fox in general. When it comes to making up reality, making false claims and demonstrating sheer hypocrisy, this column is just piling on. It’s more destructive than constructive at a time when we need words that soothe. We need e pluribus unum, but we get more division from the far right, division as in “A Tall Tale of Two Speeches.” In the backlash that is the Age of Obama, that is the best that the reactionary right can offer–even in this period of national tragedy. Sad and pathetic.

Bombshell. You are nuttier than a
squirrel turd.

jjay7381 said:
Wow, I’ve officially lost all respect for Mediaite for giving this idiot a platform to spew his stupidity.

Yeah but GBR should be allowed to post. Everyone has the right for folks to see their stupidity in action.

GlennBeckReview said:
:. Palin sunk her possibility of winning the Republican nomination. It’s her own fault. . .

If anything she is in a stronger position today than last week. Unfairly attacking someone has the effect of making people angry at those who attack or condone the attack. She has just as good a chance if not better of winning an election as she did before. You liberals want to claim she is bringing attention to herself when it is you who are doing that and everyone knows it.

ImRubberYoureGlue said:
CORRECTION:You have a serious problem, MAN, if you cannot accept the reality that women FACE in this country.

And people of color don’t? Keep to the facts and stop playing the female card. People on the left have been accusted of playing the race card for 2 years. Now Palin is taking a little heat and out comes the feminist card.

Uh oh Sarah is bring out the big guns! A Sarah controversy wouldn’t be complete with out Ziegler the obligatory Ziegler defense. Funny how Ziegler, who when he runs out of arguments resorts to bully tactics like he did with Max Blumenthal. I guess bullies need to defend each other. I get it.

Pablo says:
” ‘Blood libel’ is not an anti-Semitic term, you moron. It’s what anti-Semites do. It is no more hateful than the word ‘hateful’ ”.

Wow; you don’t even pretend to understand the phrase or make a lick of sense.

I know Westlake told you just yesterday, but I have to repeat it now: you’re not very bright.

Engage in any pogroms lately, their Pablo?

sdsali said:
In the definite minority here, I think Palin’s video speech was near perfect and near perfectly timed. If you wonder about the disconnect between the audience and Obama, I believe it is because they correctly expected a right bashing anti talk radio speech. There are remnants of it in the speech that was given. You can see it in the tee shirts and the rally atmosphere which was encouraged by those who made the preparations. But Sarah’s speech, coming 12 hours before the President’s, set up a contest. Who is going to look more presidential, which in this context meant conciliatory and non-partisan, Palin or Obama. He had little choice but to scale it back and change the tone. It isn’t what his base wanted but he would have seriously alienated independents if he had encouraged the blood libel. And yes, it was a blood libel. See , for example, http://www.seraphicpress.com for a use of that very phrase to describe the attacks against Palin and written by an observant Jew well skilled in the use of language. Her video deflected an attack and more piling on. It was masterful. By callng it what it was she challenged Obama to either continue the libel or stand down. He chose to stand down. She also proved, once again, that she is the only potential Republican presidential candidate with any courage. That is much needed. Whoever gets the nomination will be repeatedly subjected to scurrilous slurs. We know that from past experience. Who, other than Sarah Palin has been willing to stand up to them and fight back?

Fighting back is fine. Its the way she does it. The only thing I have seen she’s good at is throwing verbal trash at those that oppose her. Why not try using her brain instead of playground antics?

Pablo, from WaPo:

“Blood libel – a phrase that other conservatives have also used in recent days – was her way of decrying liberal critics who had tried to draw a connection between Palin’s campaign rhetoric and the Tucson shootings.

But it also has a specific, ugly historical context. Blood libel is the centuries-old anti-Semitic myth that Jews use the blood of Christian children for rituals such as baking unleavened bread during Passover. It was used to justify persecution of Jews.”

Still want to rationalize Palin’s use of that phrase?

If she had a lick of common decency, she would have just complained about false claims. If she were truly smart and noble in the slightest sense, she would have turned the other cheek or at least saved her defensive attack on those falsely accusing her of inciting this assassination attempt (of a Jew by the way) until after the memorial service or even next week.

Palin: not fit for high office in 2008 and proving every day that nothing has changed in that regard.

Ajolily says:
“If anything she is in a stronger position today than last week.”

That’s based on your opinion. No facts. No polling data, just your notion that mentioned “blood libel” is going to strengthen her hand with the moderates (both of them) still remaining in the Republican Party. Uh huh: what other fantasies have you had lately?

For all those who think Palin is playing the ‘victim’ card – she was being tried in the court of public opinion known as twitter, and hollywood loud mouths as an accomplice to a massacre- exactly what was she to do ? Keep her mouth shut- not an option, since the media all but demanded that she respond to their accusations.
It wouldn’t have mattered what she said or when she said it.

The media has loved from day one of her VP introduction to compare her to Barak Obama- even when she was not a presidential contender. They continually set her up in these comparisons, which frankly should make the Obama WH embarrassed – if she is supposedly so stupid, it isn’t much of coup or that impressive to appear “presidential” when held up next to her- right- ?

This article is RIGHT ON TARGET!!!!!. Oops, I hope no one gets shot over that. :)

M Colins said:
Yet Harvard prof and Jew Alan Dershowitz saw no problem in using the metaphor.

Yes, and he has no problem with interrogation torture either.

Ajolily says:
“If anything she is in a stronger position today than last week.”

Here’s what Mark Green points out:

“Of course legally and morally Sarah Palin is not responsible for the shooting on Saturday. But of course she has contributed to a climate of intolerance that turns opponents into enemies of the state, that indicts all Muslims for the acts of some — a modern McCarthy is what I called her on this site in the context of the Park51 controversy last August. Given her reality and imagery, she was a literal tail-gunner. Still, as the Atlanta Constitution’s Cynthia Tucker urged on Hardball two days ago, she could have yesterday said a version of, I regret that imagery and some of my words and will be more careful in the future. Is there a major public official who hasn’t done that?

Instead, we have “blood libel,” a reference to the calumny that Jews had used the blood of Christian children to make matzoh during Passover. Could there have been a more offensive comment than using an anti-Semitic image, with the word blood no less, in the context of a Jewish congresswoman fighting to survive and recover from being shot in the head? Even without the religious overtones, a video that made her into the victim using Palin-like violent metaphors was exactly what the occasion didn’t call for.

Perhaps she didn’t fully know the meaning. Perhaps she was needlessly defensive or was ill-advised. Perhaps the conservative punditocracy will again find some Democratic Tom, Dick or Harry who once used the phrase in order to exonerate her now.

But that dog won’t hunt because the context is clear. America will elect people from different parties but what Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama all had in common was that they either ran on or in fact were unifying figures who didn’t hate others. Palin is the most divisive national political figure of my lifetime. Because she has not shown any of the experience, intellect, character or temperament to be a serious presidential contender — and because Republican leaders are not politically stupid — she has now officially been destroyed as a serious candidate not by the “lamestream” media but by herself. She’s her own worst enemy.”

Ziegler rationalized his friend’s latest mistake; that’s the only tale there is to tell about Palin’s “blood libel.”

This may have been the most revealing week in the history of the mainstream media. Within seconds of the gunfire, the pile-on began, every major news outlet trying to link the killings to Sarah Palin — even before they knew anything about the shooter. Zilch! Nada! And then more information became available, and though all the evidence showed ZERO connection between Jared Laughner and Sarah Palin, the media couldn’t help themselves in their feeding frenzy. And when Sarah Palin finally defended herself, the media coverage ignores her very reasonable comments and instead tries to create a controversy from her use of the term “blood libel.”

You couldn’t make this stuff up!

This has gone beyond unreasonable and unfair, and entered the realm of the surreal. Even people who don’t pay much attention to politics are getting an eyeful. This is our journalism industry? Can it really have sunk so low? Have they no decency?

We all can see how the Left has finally gone off the deep end. Talk about over-reaching! So caught up in their Saul Alinsky rules for radicals that they are no longer tethered to reality. Decent people are disgusted by all this, and both the Left and the media will find that they have done more damage to themselves than to Ms. Palin in their affair. After this, you can NEVER take these people seriously again.

GlennBeckReview said:
ImRubberYoureGlue says:
“Palin has been treated to the worst misogyny this country has to offer.”

You confuse misogyny with criticism of stupidity. She could have helped heal, but she chose to attack and divide. A smarter women, someone truly presidential, would have taken the high road. Instead, Palin sunk her possibility of winning the Republican nomination. It’s her own fault.

Blood libel: what a moron.

I also heard something even more moronic about voting and arms, but I don’t have the quote handy this moment.

And what do you define as the “high road” when one is responding to accusations that she is an accessory to mass murder(including that of a 9 year-old girl) without a shred of evidence? The woman delivered an 8 minute statement that was calm in tone and overwhelmingly about the victims, the responsibility of the shooting lying with Loughner himself, and the importance of the right to express our political and personal beliefs in this country. Yes she did spend about 30 seconds responding to the media’s smear campaign, but I can hardly blame her for that. It would’ve been irresponsible for her to not say something after having to endure that.

Frankly I think she DID take the high road. A lesser person would’ve have had their lawyers on speed dial and threatened multimillion dollar lawsuits against every news organization and blog that went after her(and she would’ve won handily, BTW). And yes, the vitriol we’ve witnessed in the last 2 1/2 years directed at this woman is misogyny. Obama supporters printing up T-shirts calling her a c-nt. That’s misogyny. Democrats and Republicans alike calling her attractive but dumb. That’s misogyny. Insinuating that her Down Syndrome baby is not her own. That’s misogyny. Left-wing “comedians” like Bill Maher, Kathy Griffin, and Roseanne Barr calling her a b-tch and threatening violence against her. That’s misogyny.

If all of these people(and yourself) have issues with attractive, successful, conservative women, so be it. Talk to your shrink. Spew your venom on the blogs. Call in to your local radio host and complain. But these kinds of personal attacks are indefensible no matter how much you may disagree with them politically. If you’re truly interested in “healing” and taking the “high road”, start with yourself.

She said “manufactured” blood libel.

Would someone please stick some duct tape over Sarah’s mouth so she can’t get her

foot in? Agree with me? http://upc.bz/0170

GlennBeckReview said:
Wow; you don’t even pretend to understand the phrase or make a lick of sense.

Why don’t you explain it, genius? Tell you what, I’ll explain it and you tell me where I’m wrong: Blood Libel is a false accusation of murders, usually heinous, traditionally targeting Jews as the culprits.

Now, tell me where that’s wrong, and tell me how describing false accusations leveled against Jews as “libel” is anti-Semitic. Idiot.

GlennBeckReview said:
Perhaps the conservative punditocracy will again find some Democratic Tom, Dick or Harry who once used the phrase in order to exonerate her now.

We didn’t have to find Alan Dershowitz, or his prior use of the term. He came right out and told all of us when he was telling you that you’re an idiot if you think Palin’s remark was anti-Semitic.

The term “blood libel” has taken on a broad metaphorical meaning in public discourse. Although its historical origins were in theologically based false accusations against the Jews and the Jewish People,its current usage is far broader. I myself have used it to describe false accusations against the State of Israel by the Goldstone Report. There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim. The fact that two of the victims are Jewish is utterly irrelevant to the propriety of using this widely used term.

Doughboy says:
“And what do you define as the “high road” when one is responding to accusations that she is an accessory to mass murder(including that of a 9 year-old girl) without a shred of evidence?”

I’ve already spelled this out above. She should have waited to respond to those making that false claim and called it a false claim. Using the phrase “blood libel” wiped out her future in politics. No one in the middle wants a hateful, anti-Semitic slogan spewing, mean-spirited leader. (The right seems to love this hateful noise, but they have flown off the cliff since Obama was elected.)

See: http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/art-war-media-messages-and-conservative-ter?destination=node/43100
and
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/fox-talkers-demand-sheriff-dupnik-pr
for more on that.

GlennBeckReview said:
Ajolily says:“If anything she is in a stronger position today than last week.” That’s based on your opinion. No facts. No polling data, just your notion that mentioned “blood libel” is going to strengthen her hand with the moderates (both of them) still remaining in the Republican Party. Uh huh: what other fantasies have you had lately?

Duh! Did I make a claim that what I said was anything else. I responded to your opinion which is also nothing more than an opinion. If you would like something to back my opinion up look to the polls that show how many people agree that the shooter was not motivated by any political conversation and the attacks are unwarrented. Even the President said as much. Palin isn’t going away no matter how much you want her too.

Pablo the Plebe says:
“Why don’t you explain it, genius? Tell you what, I’ll explain it and you tell me where I’m wrong: Blood Libel is a false accusation of murders, usually heinous, traditionally targeting Jews as the culprits.

Now, tell me where that’s wrong, and tell me how describing false accusations leveled against Jews as “libel” is anti-Semitic.” Then, without batting an eye adds, “Idiot.”

From Jewish Funds for Justice comes this, Public Statement from Simon Greer, President & CEO:

“NEW YORK – Simon Greer, president of Jewish Funds for Justice, released the following statement in response to Sarah Palin “blood libel” comment:

We are deeply disturbed by Fox News commentator Sarah Palin’s decision to characterize as a “blood libel” the criticism directed at her following the terrorist attack in Tucson. The term “blood libel” is not a synonym for “false accusation.” It refers to a specific falsehood perpetuated by Christians about Jews for centuries, a falsehood that motivated a good deal of anti-Jewish violence and discrimination. Unless someone has been accusing Ms. Palin of killing Christian babies and making matzoh from their blood, her use of the term is totally out-of-line.”

Pablo, you could do your own research. I do have more important things to do than to enlighten you about what blood libel is and how offensive the use of the phrase was in this context. (Giffords is Jewish.)

Palin was a victim of false claims, not blood libel. Using that phrase only proves what people who listen to her idiotic series of one-liners that she calls “speeches” (excluding yesterday’s speech which was the least irritating speech I’ve heard from her) have been saying for the last two years: she’s not presidential material.

When you apologize for calling me “idiot,” a totally ironic assertion on your part, I will address you respectfully. Until then, you’re Pablo the Plebe, pathetic Beckerhead.

GlennBeckReview said:
Ajolily says:“If anything she is in a stronger position today than last week.” That’s based on your opinion. No facts. No polling data, just your notion that mentioned “blood libel” is going to strengthen her hand with the moderates (both of them) still remaining in the Republican Party. Uh huh: what other fantasies have you had lately?

Ajolily said:
Duh! Did I make a claim that what I said was anything else. I responded to your opinion which is also nothing more than an opinion. If you would like something to back my opinion up look to the polls that show how many people agree that the shooter was not motivated by any political conversation and the attacks are unwarranted. Even the President said as much. Palin isn’t going away no matter how much you want her too.

Also I never made any comment on blood libel what so ever. Please don’t misquote me. I said that she is if anything stronger because we all know she was wrongfully attacked. As for the blood libel comment the left is trying to make much of nothing. I neither think she is strengthen or weakened by the blood libel debate.

the author of this article feeling guilty?…the media created the Sarah Palin…media encourage her to continue a platform that was destine to follow doom….the media instead of discouraging the rhetoric as none productive…kept it alive for the loonies of the nation to say they have found someone that thinking knowingly toward their ignorance…Representative Gifford told public that Sarah Palin website had caused harm to society but still the media did nothing to place Sarah’s opinion under the responsible action of free speech…did any one in media tell this woman new the game of a world wanting for knowledge that is progressive….NO to the HELL …then some in the media say its not the talk radio and talk TV of extreme ignorance fault that a weak minded lonely person would find cause in their words …to end the lives of others who have the audacity to believe things can be better …I cannot sit down on this one…it is the fault of those that created billboards with bullet holes in it and target sites and words that say they want America to have another nine eleven to force this nation populace to fear moving forward…it hurts…yYES…keeping quite will only allow the ignorant to control our nation and keep this nation in despair…
PALIN IS A MEDIA CREATED CREATURE and it is our fault for listening….I am moving on from the RUSH, Glenn and Palins of them all…kindergarten…NO…just showing courage in calling out these ignorant peas ,…we need to stop the growth of their ideas by showing the effect of the ideas of Glen Beck, Rush, and Sarah Palin they all place themselves in the problem areas and how dare anyone tell us we did not see or hear what …Guns have no place in American politics nor in communication with Americans…ok cowards run and hide by asking for our silence…no that will not happen…just as long as media play the people as fools will our voices continue to be heard…stop broadcasting the message of misery…we kindergärtners want to go out and play in peace

Ajolily says:
“Please don’t misquote me. I said that she is if anything stronger because we all know she was wrongfully attacked. As for the blood libel comment the left is trying to make much of nothing. I neither think she is strengthen or weakened by the blood libel debate…”

I do understand the Christian view of blood guilty …culpability
Blood Libel Sarah is saying there is a witch hunt for her actions and words that lead to the harming of others by encouraging those not able to discern or being able to use discernment…If Sarah Rush Glenn words are to be used as if their words are to be used as entertainment then place a disclaimer before opening of the mouth

The Real Royal King said:
(I have to say, we have all long known what an utter fraud Ziegler is, but did any of us really know he could be so offensive?) He writes: Minutes after comprehending the horror of Saturday’s horrendous shooting, I e-mailed Sarah and Todd Palin to make sure that they saw the same out of control media train barreling in their direction that I did. — Would have been nice if he’d spent a bit of time in prayer, wouldn’t it? Wait, in this “post-Tucson” world are we still allowed to used such violent metaphors, or is okay in this case because Obama is one seen as dishing out the blows? — At least he seizes on what is important, doesn’t he? He performed the role we ask of our Presidents in times like these as if he was born (in Hawaii) to do so. — Palinesque snark at its very best. Reagan would never have given in to the temptation of pandering to his political base at such a supposedly solemn event, as Obama did last night. — Indeed, Raygun hid behind Nancy’s skirts when our Marines were slaughtered under his watch in Beirut and even failed to greet the returning victims. the fact she had the gall to use the ancient term “blood libel” which, unbeknownst to most Americans had been apparently legally copyrighted by the Jewish people hundreds of years ago (at least according to the “experts” the media selectively chose to interview) — Copyrighted by the Jewish people hundred of years ago? One seldom sees such overt Anti-Semitism in America today. But, he’s right. When we focus on the Jews during the Inquisition, the repeated Eastern European pogroms and Shoa, we are not focusing on what we should, Sarah Palin. the media has misunderstood Sarah Palin — In fairness to the media, can anyone really understand the complete self-absorption of Palin? And, more importantly, is it fair that we expect her to address the victims, show some concern for them, at least for the child when we all know the true victim of Tucson was Sarah Palin.

Amazingly idiotic post. I will refute point by point, as you seem to be fond of doing”. Check back and http://crazyconservative.wordpress.com/ for the reply. For now I have more important things to do.

GlennBeckReview said:

Pablo, you could do your own research. I do have more important things to do than to enlighten you about what blood libel is and how offensive the use of the phrase was in this context. (Giffords is Jewish.)

Palin was a victim of false claims, not blood libel. Using that phrase only proves what people who listen to her idiotic series of one-liners that she calls “speeches” (excluding yesterday’s speech which was the least irritating speech I’ve heard from her) have been saying for the last two years: she’s not presidential material.

When you apologize for calling me “idiot,” a totally ironic assertion on your part, I will address you respectfully. Until then, you’re Pablo the Plebe, pathetic Beckerhead.

That doesn’t explain how the term is anti-Semitic, idiot. Greer notes “The term “blood libel” is not a synonym for “false accusation.” It refers to A SPECIFIC FALSEHOOD perpetuated by Christians about Jews for centuries…”

It points out the anti-Semitic lie. Anti-Semite don’t use the term, it is used on them. That a progressive like Greer doesn’t like Palin using it does not make it anti-Semitic, nor does Greer suggest that it her use of it is anti-Semitic. I’ll assume that’s because he’s considerably smarter than you are. You suck at this.

As for my research versus yours, I saw Greer’s comments on the same thread you did, Bombshell.

gottosay said:
Ajolily says:“Please don’t misquote me. I said that she is if anything stronger because we all know she was wrongfully attacked. As for the blood libel comment the left is trying to make much of nothing. I neither think she is strengthen or weakened by the blood libel debate…” I do understand the Christian view of blood guilty …culpabilityBlood Libel Sarah is saying there is a witch hunt for her actions and words that lead to the harming of others by encouraging those not able to discern or being able to use discernment…If Sarah Rush Glenn words are to be used as if their words are to be used as entertainment then place a disclaimer before opening of the mouth

Are you responding to me? I was not aware I accused you of not understanding the Christian view of blood guilty .. culpability. The rest of your comment is disjointed and the kind of hate comments I don’t usually respond to and wouldn’t be except you quoted me as if you are responding to me. You liberals have egg on your faces and even Obama called for a halt and still you spew the hate you claimed was the cause of the shooting.

I predict BOMBSHELL will someday soon go over the
edge.
I just hope there is some little 75 year old, 100 pound
Grandmother standing near enough to take his ass
down, sit on him, and take his weapons away from him.
This man is OBSESSED. BIG TIME!!!—-

The media seems to have turned a blind eye to some of the more compelling points in this story, and once again gives Palin a pass when it comes to the truth.

Jared wrote in his youtube diatribe that terrorist is a person that uses terror as a political weapon , yet the right labels him as apolitical.

They say there is no proof that he paid any attention to politics, but he refered to the number of his congressional district while calling its residents illiterate.

He rails against the expansion of government , treasonous ratification of the constitution, and calls for a return to the gold standard, hardly topics on the mind of a person who is not into politics.

I hear people saying we don’t know if he was influenced by talk radio yet three times in his video he refers to the reader as “listener”.

“America must be stronger than the evil we saw displayed last week. We are better than the mindless finger-pointing we endured in the wake of the tragedy.” Sarah Palin said this in the conclusion of her speech. The evil she implies is not the shooting, the evil is anyone having the audacity to fault her for creating her hit list. She is truly a psychopath.

I donot want anymore to believe that women of power are not powerful…here is an open letter that a leader made who just happened to be a woman

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/01/13/132913550/after-tragedy-an-open-letter-to-parents-from-michelle-obama?ft=1&f=1001&sc=tw&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

By allowing the terminally nasty John Ziegler to contribute to Mediaite further confirms what many of us on the Left have realized.

Mediate continues its march toward right wing ideology in its articles. Presumably to become for the Right what HuffPost is for the Left. The antithesis of what Dan Abrams used to represent when he voiced his opinions on MSNBC.

I am all for diverse writings. But offering a platform for one of the most hate-filled ideologues out there is shameful. The female Michele Malkin if you will. Who’s’ next, Michael Savage?

Mr. Ziegler doesn’t *comment* on the issues. He prothesyzes with no discernible insight or sense of decency. There are plenty of fair minded vigorous critics of the Obama administration who would serve this website better.

From the Lib perspective, this debacle was a win-win situation. If she stays silent then she’s hiding and admitting guilt. If she speaks, you rip apart and attack her words. Can any liberal please tell me what would have made them happy? Just curious because I don’t think a credible answer can be given here.

poolviking said:
They say there is no proof that he paid any attention to politics, but he refered to the number of his congressional district while calling its residents illiterate.

He paid attention to his Congresswoman, Gabby Giffords, since before you ever heard of Sarah Palin. He thought she was an idiot and a phony…which he thought of most everyone else.

He rails against the expansion of government , treasonous ratification of the constitution, and calls for a return to the gold standard, hardly topics on the mind of a person who is not into politics.

No, in fact, he was convinced there was a new currency in play, and he was its Treasurer. No, really. It probably has something to do with this, or is at least along these lines. Zeitgeist: Moving Forward

It’s sort of related to politics, but mostly it’s just loopy.

The evil she implies is not the shooting, the evil is anyone having the audacity to fault her for creating her hit list.

It is evil. They’re both evil. Two separate things happened here, and they’re both revolting. Loughner is responsible for what he did. Those who attacked Sarah Palin for no logical reason other than that they thought they saw an opening if they just crawled over the still-bleeding bodies are responsible for what they did.

Loughner has one mitigating factor in his defense. He’s nuts. But what he isn’t is sufficient cover for those on the left who have decided to have some political bloodsport with his handiwork. They’ve got their own answering to do.

This has been a very revealing week. We know who you are and we know what you’re doing.

@The Real Royal King

Here ya go.

Going along with what I have been posting for the past couple of days, there is a disconnect between reality and Palin hatred, even amongst those of us who are allegedly sane. Here is an example of PDS induced irrational thought with a, side of idiocy, and a dollop of illogical thinking. Pilfered from mediaite.com.
(I have to say, we have all long known what an utter fraud Ziegler is, but did any of us really know he could be so offensive?)

–Start by offending the author you claim is “so offensive” where is the rationale for this?

He writes:
Minutes after comprehending the horror of Saturday’s horrendous shooting, I e-mailed Sarah and Todd Palin to make sure that they saw the same out of control media train barreling in their direction that I did.
— Would have been nice if he’d spent a bit of time in prayer, wouldn’t it?

–Love the fact that Palin haters know the thoughts, actions, and motivations of everyone but where is the proof he didn’t pray?

Wait, in this “post-Tucson” world are we still allowed to used such violent metaphors, or is okay in this case because Obama is one seen as dishing out the blows?
— At least he seizes on what is important, doesn’t he?

–You mean important like rushing to blame the shootings on Palin without even a shred of evidence connecting the two? Also, who are you to assign priorities for others? I guess if you can tell people when they should pray, anything goes, huh?

He performed the role we ask of our Presidents in times like these as if he was born (in Hawaii) to do so.
— Palinesque snark at its very best.

–Problems with sarcasm in general or just sarcasm directed toward Dear Leader, or sarcasm coming from Sarah Palin? People like you will pick apart everything the woman says (this post is evidence) no matter what it is and critique it with point by point idiocy (this post is an example).

Reagan would never have given in to the temptation of pandering to his political base at such a supposedly solemn event, as Obama did last night.
— Indeed, Raygun hid behind Nancy’s skirts when our Marines were slaughtered under his watch in Beirut and even failed to greet the returning victims.

–“Raygun”??? This is right up there with Faux News in idiocy and clear proof you are not worth the time, although this didn’t stop me from wasting it anyway. Shame on me for that.
the fact she had the gall to use the ancient term “blood libel” which, unbeknownst to most Americans had been apparently legally copyrighted by the Jewish people hundreds of years ago (at least according to the “experts” the media selectively chose to interview)

— Copyrighted by the Jewish people hundred of years ago?
One seldom sees such overt Anti-Semitism in America today. But, he’s right. When we focus on the Jews during the Inquisition, the repeated Eastern European pogroms and Shoa, we are not focusing on what we should, Sarah Palin.

–She just used an example from history, not Anti-Semitic in the least. Why would you think this is a deflection of what we should be focusing on? Is it only OK for liberals to use straw men? This also is not focusing on something other than what we should. Palin’s speech was about her response to media attacks on her. The speech was supposed to be about her.
Giving you the benefit of the doubt fo a second and assuming you have a point. How does this compare to, let’s say, focusing this entire tragedy on how the left can blame Palin in the first place? It is liberals who drug her into this, vilified her, and forced her to respond, wasn’t it? If it were not for liberal PDS, Palin would not have been mentioned at all. How is it now you have the gall to criticize what she said when it was a response to people just like you?

the media has misunderstood Sarah Palin
— In fairness to the media, can anyone really understand the complete self-absorption of Palin? And, more importantly, is it fair that we expect her to address the victims, show some concern for them, at least for the child when we all know the true victim of Tucson was Sarah Palin.

–Has Palin expressed no concern for the victims? I do believe she has, just not in this speech, where it was not applicable. Also, who made it Sarah Palin’s duty to reply to this publicly, is this some sort of requirement you personally assigned to her? Is she supposed to do this after you tell her how much and for how long to pray?
Who said Palin was a victim of Tucson? Oh, yeah, that was you missing the point again. Palin is not a victim of Tucson and anyone with more than two function brain cells can tell you that. What she is though is a victim of liberal smear and a twisted attempt to connect her, without cause, reason, motive, or evidence to a horrific act.

jamesalfred said:
Going along with what I have been posting for the past couple of days, there is a disconnect between reality and Palin hatred, even amongst those of us who are allegedly sane

You (and other Palin defenders) are missing the point.

I won’t call your arguments straw men, but I do think you have failed to address the essential criticism being made about Ms. Palin by those *both* from the Left and the Right.

I’m sure will disagree, but what is being said is that her speech was a bit tone deaf – or at least missed the point as far as what constitutes leadership under the circumstances. There was too much talk about herself and not enough about the tragic evnet that took place.

She spent far too much time defending herself and not enough time speaking about the victims – especially that poor little nine year old girl.

Some on the Right will argue that Obama’s speech was too long and/or too much like a pep rally. But the one thing that is generally agreed upon is that he showed leadership.

Finally, someone needs to tell Ms. Palin and her speech writers that no one – and I mean no one – is continuing to try to establish (or suggest) a connection between Palin and the gunman. That is very old news.

All responsible journalists abandoned that mistaken notion within 48 hours after the shooting when it became clear that it had no factual basis.

I think that the contrast between the mind set, words of Barack Obama and Sarah Palin are as different as emotional attack , blame vs rational, mature, even handed, even minded speech. How dare Sarah Palin use the phrase blood libel. I am hoping she wasn’t aware of the biased, hate filled Judeophobic history behind that phrase. OTOH from reading how she isn’t much of an intellectual, let alone a student of history perhaps she wasn’t aware of the significance of the phrase “Blood Libel” As for Obama imho I think his speech’s goal is to be one of reconcilliation. I wonder how much of his words were his own. Lets leave that question out. What I see what is important are the words themselves and not who wrote them.
One thing I don’t see is anybody talking about the issue of mental health care. I mean I am wondering if Loughner received the psychiatric care it seemed he needed perhaps this terrible tragedy would never occurred. Mental illness IS treatable with the correct medication, therapy, support.
Bill Maher said the NRA said their lobby should be called the “Assassinations Lobby” He said noone should need automatic weapons. I think he’s right but there’s the issue of mental health care. If the suspect got the care he obviously needed those victims could not be murdered and the survivors including the politician be okay. I am not surprised that this issue of lack of psychiatric care. It seems to me that only professionals in the mental health field and their clients are the ones interested in mental health care and the lack of it. To me, no matter what the rhetoric was by the right wing ie, S. Palin, “Don’t retreat, reload” Maybe these phrases are influential but if somebody needs psychiatric help they should be able to get it for their sack and for everybody. The truth is most people who are mentally ill are not violent, not dangerous. They are law abiding people IF given the right treatment.
I am a mental health advocate for a local psychosocial rehab center in Philadelphia.

Michael_T said:
By allowing the terminally nasty John Ziegler to contribute to Mediaite further confirms what many of us on the Left have realized. Mediate continues its march toward right wing ideology in its articles. Presumably to become for the Right what HuffPost is for the Left. The antithesis of what Dan Abrams used to represent when he voiced his opinions on MSNBC. I am all for diverse writings. But offering a platform for one of the most hate-filled ideologues out there is shameful. The female Michele Malkin if you will. Who’s’ next, Michael Savage? Mr. Ziegler doesn’t *comment* on the issues. He prothesyzes with no discernible insight or sense of decency. There are plenty of fair minded vigorous critics of the Obama administration who would serve this website better.

Well said! Bad enought they employ RW hacks like Frances Martel, Mark Joyella and FOX News contributor Colby Hall. Bad enough the most liberal contributor to the site, Rachel Sklar, has her columns buried, almost never appearing on the main page. But now they are giving a platform to someone like Ziegler. Dan Abrams should be ashamed of himself.

JamesA1102 said:
Bad enough the most liberal contributor to the site, Rachel Sklar, has her columns buried, almost never appearing on the main page.

I’ve noticed that too. I get more insight (and visibility) from Rachel on her Twitter feed than I do here at Mediaite.

JamesA1102 said:
Bad enough the most liberal contributor to the site, Rachel Sklar, has her columns buried, almost never appearing on the main page.

Given that she hasn’t posted here in 9 days, you probably shouldn’t read too much into that. This link will take you to all of her Mediaite posts if you want to read them. She’s got some interesting stuff there, but she isn’t exactly hitting the hot topics or doing breaking news.

I do like the part where Frances, Mark Joyella and Colby are neocon conspirators, though. It has just the right touch of absurdity.

Pablo said:
I do like the part where Frances, Mark Joyella and Colby are neocon conspirators, though. It has just the right touch of absurdity.

Frances was head of the young Republicans at Harvard. Mark worked for FOX news and the New York Post. And Colby is a frequent FOX news contributor. I never called them neocon conspirators, you did, but they do skew to the right.

gjp said:
You hand out T Shirts like that at a basket ball game , not a memorial. What’s next? funeral armbands? candle light vigils sponsored by yankee candle?

Whatever that community feels it needs to heel from this. You can criticize the city of Tuscon and the University of Arizona all you like, if it gets you through the night. Those young people on that campus don’t really care what you think.

Thank God.

jamesalfred said:
Reagan would never have given in to the temptation of pandering to his political base at such a supposedly solemn event, as Obama did last night.

Oh, you mean like declaring his belief in “states rights” in Philadelphia, MS?

“Understanding states’ rights helps to explain why Ronald Reagan launched his 1980 presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi – invited to do so by then Republican U.S. Representative (later Senator and Majority Leader) Trent Lott – where he endorsed states’ rights, and in turn was endorsed by the KKK who was present on that occasion. In 1964, Philadelphia, Mississippi, was the site where civil rights workers Andrew Goodman, Michael Schwerner and James Cheney were murdered in the name of states’ rights as they attempted to register Blacks to vote in Mississippi. Reagan was sending a states’ rights signal to all conservatives, South and North, that their states would be given freedom even if it was at the expense of justice.”
http://www.gibbsmagazine.com/Reagan%20A%20Legacy%20of%20States%27%20Rights.htm

Pokerdude777 said:
From the Lib perspective, this debacle was a win-win situation. If she stays silent then she’s hiding and admitting guilt. If she speaks, you rip apart and attack her words. Can any liberal please tell me what would have made them happy? Just curious because I don’t think a credible answer can be given here.

How about she drop the “it’s all about me” attitude and have show some empathy for the REAL victims in this issue–the VICTIMS of Jared Loughner’s actions? If you watched that speech, you’d come off thinking that the actually crime was people criticizing her. Honestly? I think the media and many on the left leaped at the opportunity to blame her without evidence.
Ok Fair enough. But hello? She was a State Governor, Vice Presidential Candidate with possible aspirations for White House, and apparently she didn’t get the memo that Presidents get blamed for EVERYTHING on their watch. And even if she doesn’t run for President, what is her official “job title” right now? Shadow President? GOP kingmaker? Cult of Personality? I’m sorry. Nobody was trying to connect Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney or Chris Christie to this attack, and they’re every bit as “Republican” as Palin. There’s a REASON.

–Cobra

Could one of you libs please explain to me how you are able to continuously look the other way when Barack Obama makes a total idiot out of himself?

Let’s review of few of the stupid things he has said and done since 2008.

1. Said that he had visited 57 states with 2 more to go.

2. Said that When Russians placed missiles in Cuba, Kennedy met with Khrushchev and got those missiles out of there. Actually, the missiles were placed in Cuba after Kennedy met with Khrushchev.

3. He claimed his parents were able to get together and have Barack Obama Jr. because some people marched across a bridge in Selma, AL. The march took place 4 years after he was born.

4. Obama has claimed that America invented the automobile. I’m sure the Germans enjoyed watching him re-write the history of automobile.

5. He mispronounced corpsman twice in one speech.

6. Said that Austrians speak Austrian. Note to libs, they speak German.

7. Said that translators in Iraq could be used in Afghanistan. I refuse to explain this one.

8. Made a reference to speaking “American” while in France.

9. Butchered saying 4th of May when entertaining Mexican dignitaries. Said quatro de cinco which means four of five. Hell, even Bush got this one correct.

10. Frequently says All-Timers instead of Alzheimer’s disease.

11. Doesn’t understand that the family doc who sees patients first wouldn’t be the same doc that amputates a diabetic’s foot or removes a child’s tonsils.

12. Promised employers that Obamacare would lead to a 3,000% reduction in their premiums. Is he so poor at math that he doesn’t understand that once they received 100% reduction they would be paying nothing?

13. Loved his BS about a family eating Ice Cream in AZ could be asked for their papers. Since the law stated that the police had to be involved in investigating a police matter before they asked anyone for papers, the family would have to be robbing the ice cream store to make Obama’s story work.

14. Then there was his claim that the stimulus didn’t contain the usual pork. The whole thing was one gigantic piece of pork. It’s amazing how he can tell a lie and smile while he’s doing it.

15. Loved it when he gave the Queen of England an iPod with a bunch of his speeches on it. Also loved him bragging about the woman who wanted to be buried in an Obama t-shirt. Oh no, he’s not self-absorbed.

16. During the primaries he claimed Bill Ayers was just a guy who lived in his neighborhood. He somehow forgot that he had served on the Woods Fund Board and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Board with him.
Yes my liberal friends, these are what we call lies by omission.

17. I always found it interesting that Obama watched his supporters go after Sarah Palin because her husband Todd got a DUI while he was in his very early twenties, but never volunteered that his alcoholic father killed someone in a drunk driving accident.

18. Did you catch the time he was speaking to the veterans group and said that he saw fallen heroes in the audience. I’m sorry, but does Obama see dead people?

19. Oh, how about the time Obama tried to walk through a window at the white house. For some reason, liberals who laughed for two weeks when Bush tried to walk through a locked door didn’t
find this as funny.

20. My personal favorite is when Obama claimed Nancy Reagan had held a seance to contact Eleanor Roosevelt when it was in fact his own secretary of state Hillary Clinton. And you libs thought Christine O’Donnell was strange. At least she was a teenager at the time she dabbled in witchcraft.

Here are a couple of links for you libs who think I made all of this up:

http://www.hootervillegazette.com/dumbdemocrats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wNo64cLSEA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T6Byf15ivk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pdhx2d8RQw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVdE57jhrMw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhVuDRfbJ0U

Ajolily says:
“Also I never made any comment on blood libel what so ever. Please don’t misquote me.”

Without going back and examining this, I’ll just write, “my bad.” The quotes around blood libel were intended for Palin’s mouth, not yours. Palin was irresponsible at best for using this anti-Semitic phrase.

Mark Gillar says:

“Let’s review of few of the stupid things he has said and done since 2008.

1. Said that he had visited 57 states with 2 more to go.”

First, Obama corrected himself. After a long campaign, he misspoke.
Second, and this is crucial, we know how the right distorts, quotes out of context, deceives and flat out lies. If you’re going to make accusations, cite references so we can look at the context and determine the veracity of your assertions.

When I comment that Beck is a bald-faced liar, I make it a hot link. Check it out. I have a vast collection of examples of Beck’s false claims, examples of his many hypocrisies and examples that prove what a charlatan he is.

Document your claims!

So which left wing blog ordered you drones to attack here?

Jesus John, their hate to this woman just DOES NOT STOP, and I thought they were BRUTAL with HILLARY,

But the way they speak and treat Sarah is just downright horrendous.

I’m sorry your comments here were so negative,

Sarah is a wonderful, strong, determined, INTELLIGENT, excellent Human Being, Wife and Mother.

I can only PRAY she is president someday——or someone like her. And I’m NOT a CONSERVATIVE or REBULICAN or DEMOCRAT (anymore)——and that’s another issue

I give you credit for even listening to these loons. ———-don’t give up on this lady,

Cobra said:
How about she drop the “it’s all about me” attitude and have show some empathy for the REAL victims in this issue–the VICTIMS of Jared Loughner’s actions? If you watched that speech, you’d come off thinking that the actually crime was people criticizing her.

Really? If you watched the speech you would have heard this, right up front:

Like millions of Americans I learned of the tragic events in Arizona on Saturday, and my heart broke for the innocent victims. No words can fill the hole left by the death of an innocent, but we do mourn for the victims’ families as we express our sympathy.

I agree with the sentiments shared yesterday at the beautiful Catholic mass held in honor of the victims. The mass will hopefully help begin a healing process for the families touched by this tragedy and for our country.

Our exceptional nation, so vibrant with ideas and the passionate exchange and debate of ideas, is a light to the rest of the world. Congresswoman Giffords and her constituents were exercising their right to exchange ideas that day, to celebrate our Republic’s core values and peacefully assemble to petition our government. It’s inexcusable and incomprehensible why a single evil man took the lives of peaceful citizens that day.

At no point does she mention herself being a victim. At no point does she suggest that she’s been personally attacked, though we all know it to be true. She does talk, much like Obama did, about the tone and conduct of our national conversation. But not about her own role in it, at all. So tell me, Darren, where in that speech does she say anything that would make you come off thinking that the actual crime was criticizing her? Quote her, please.

You didn’t watch it at all, did you?

All you need to know about the biased left-wing media’s attacks on Sarah Palin to learn their true objective is to see how they closed the week covering her. Now, after an endless barrage of attacks on her, the media has concluded that she is “finished” (sounds a little violent, as in they killed the Wicked Witch kinda finished).

That was the goal. The left-wing media want Sarah Palin to disappear. For two years they’ve twisted every story and leveled every charge they can disgustingly manufacture at her in the hopes that she’d say enough is enough and go away like a whipped puppy.

The pattern of the media’s attacks on Palin are all to easy to figure out. First the media levels the most vile, baseless charge against her, then they criticize her for not responding, then when she does respond they find a dozen things about her response to criticize which range all the way down to the length of the response. “Just go away Sarah!” The left-wing media is saying. “Or we’re going to continue to beat the living hell out of you, and we’re going to start targeting all of your daughters too”.

GlennBeckReview said:
Check it out. I have a vast collection of examples of Beck’s false claims, examples of his many hypocrisies and examples that prove what a charlatan he is. Document your claims!

No you don’t. You have a handful of out of context and outright lies you have lifted from Media Matters or other soros funded outlets in an attempt to be as relevent as Beck.

BTW……..Where’s that bombshell?

Did Saint Sarah ‘copyright’ the word “lipstick”? I recall Obama using the term “lipstick on a pig” in reference to some policy issue, and the Palin camp went ballistic over it saying that Obama was calling Sarah Palin a pig , because SHE used the word lipstick as in ” Pittbull with lipstick.” Now her camp has the gall to throw out the “copyright” charge? These people are nuts.

The contrast between libertarian Howard Stern and charlatan Glenn Beck makes it obvious that my issues with Mr. Beck have nothing to do with political values and everything to do with honesty and integrity. Stern has them; Beck is a habitual liar and a nearly complete hypocrite. The sooner people who do not want to be routinely lied to can understand that, the sooner Beck can crawl back into the sewer from where he slid out from. The sooner people of faith can come to understand that Beck is to Christianity as Jared Loughner is to sanity, the sooner Beck can be pushed into the ashcan of history along with the Marxism he so needlessly fears.

I agree with you that Sarah Palin should not be blamed for the killings.

BUT You omitted the key difference between the speeches:

Obama’s was mostly about the victims.

Palin’s was mostly about….Sarah Palin…and the media.

That’s what’s most telling.

I do agree that the media has at times been overly aggressive and hostile toward Sarah Palin….but my sympathy only runs so deep.

She spends so much of her time demonizing Democrats, the media, and just about anyone who looks at her wrong. It’s not just about policy for her….she makes everything personal, everything about her opponents’ motives.

I think her family should be left alone….but I have little sympathy for someone who has made a career out of accusing Democrats of being out to “systematically destroy America”…or accusing the president of “palling around with terrorists”…or saying that only certain parts of America are “pro-America”.

mibwilso said:
agree with you that Sarah Palin should not be blamed for the killings.
BUT You omitted the key difference between the speeches:
Obama’s was mostly about the victims.
Palin’s was mostly about….Sarah Palin…and the media.
That’s what’s most telling.

You Flatter Palin without knowing it. She should be thanking you for expecting of her the elocution (and the speechwriters) worthy of a President. Heck she could probably afford his speechwriters easily, so shame be upon her for not measuring up. By comparing the speeches so critically you elevate her. Sorry, but she wins again, and you can take the credit.

mibwilso said:
have little sympathy for someone who has made a career out of accusing Democrats of being out to “systematically destroy America”…or accusing the president of “palling around with terrorists”…or saying that only certain parts of America are “pro-America”.

These charges she makes that you don’t like are substantiated. I suppose you’d only be happy if she talked about things unsubstantiated. Exposing the truth of the distructive forces undermining America is a noble career as careers go. She’s thankfully isn’t the only one but she is the one the left hates most. she needs no sympathy for that , she’s a lucky girl.

darkhorizon said:
So which left wing blog ordered you drones to attack here?

My “attack” was based on Dan Abrams stating in a pre-launch interview that the articles/website would present a “balanced” analysis of politics and the media. So I am naturally disappointed that it seems to be so slanted to the Right. In Dan’s defense perhaps his staff realized over time (just like The Daily Beast did) that commentary skewed to the Right would yield more traffic.

To those who rebut my argument by asking, “What about HuffPo and their left wing slant?”, I have no answer. It’s a good point.

michelina said:
Sarah is a wonderful, strong, determined, INTELLIGENT and excellent Human Being.

I need not remind you that many Liberals once used similar adjectives to describe John Edwards. He showed so much empathy for the poor when no one else was. He was admired by many for his sense of compassion just like Sarah Palin is admired by many for passionate representation of those in the Tea Party.

However, if we try to keep an open mind (no easy task for we partisans) we can educate ourselves to flaws in our ‘favorite’ candidates and start to look elsewhere. I confess to not paying close enough attention to the reported flaws in Al Gore amidst reports that he was misrepresenting himself (lying if you will) in the telling of his cute little anecdotes about past experiences trying to bolster his image.

I am not suggesting you jump off the Palin bandwagon tomorrow. But do keep your eyes open and listen carefully. I think you will discover over time that she is clearly not the flawless caring person (or victim) that some make her out to be. Be careful. If she comes out on top in the Republican primaries it could portend a major disaster in 2012.

GlennBeckReview said:
“Check it out. I have a vast collection of examples of Beck’s false claims, examples of his many hypocrisies and examples that prove what a charlatan he is. Document your claims!”

VoiceofEmotion says:
“No you don’t. You have a handful of out of context and outright lies you have lifted from Media Matters or other soros funded outlets in an attempt to be as relevent as Beck.”

Well, when you look at one or two posts, you might think that. Ignorance doesn’t become you. First, Media Matter is one of several sources. They do original research which I DOUBLE CHECK for accuracy. It doesn’t matter who they get funding from, so long as they are factual. Next, I also use other researchers and I DOUBLE CHECK THEIR FACTS for accuracy. Third, I do my own research where I have found a number of lies. My favorite is when clipped two segments from Obama’s G-20 Summit press conference last year that were totally unrelated and spliced them together. Then Beck claimed that Obama was talking about wealth when the President was actually talking about the trade regime with China. Beck then quite stupidly (there’s no better word) took the meaning of “level playing field” and turned it into equal outcomes. Only in Stupidville does a level playing field mean equal outcomes (except in the occasion of a tie). Worse, Beck then elaborated Obama’s taken out of context words to mean equal income for everyone world wide. I’m not making this up: Beck did to Obama exactly what you falsely claim I do to Beck.

See: http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/07/beck-completely-misinterprets-president.html for details.

Now for your absurd lie that I attempt to be a relevant as Beck: I have no wish for his kind of “relevance.” He is a complete charlatan. I am a fact hawk. That puts Beck and I in different universes, completely different realities. Beck belongs to the reality of reactionary fictions (that he pulls out of his ass, off BigGov’t.com, Freedom Works, etc., and I do research to determine the actual facts whether I like them or not.

Like all reactionaries attacking me, you’re wrong…again. I would add Nice Try, but it wasn’t.

John Ziegler – radio host/Palin confidante/filmmaker,

You might want to order new letterhead, so you can add namecaller/poseur/non-proofreader to
your list of “credits”.

@GlennBeckReview.

I find it amusing that you expect me to accept that Barack Obama simply misspoke after a long campaign when he said that he had been to 57 states. I’ve seen nothing in your posts that indicates you would give Sarah Palin the benefit of the doubt, so I refuse to give the chosen one the benefit of the doubt.

Obama has made one stupid remark after another. His mistakes are indicative someone who didn’t pay attention in math (Item 12), history (Items 2,3, &4) , geography (Item 1) or English (Items 5, 10, 19) class.
He has chastised Americans for not knowing a second language, yet his own second language skills are quite lacking. See items 6,7,8, and 9 on my list. No GBR, Muslim prayer calls don’t count.

In addition to his failure to grasp several basic classroom subjects, Obama seems a little week on international protocol when dealing with foreign dignitaries. One of his first actions after moving back into the white house was to return a bust of Winston Churchill to the British, seemingly having no idea how rude a gesture that was. His clumsiness with our friends on the other side of the pond was just getting started as you will see when you review item 15.

Obama also allows himself and members of his administration to comment on issues before being apprised of all the relevant details. We all know how he jumped the gun (sorry for the firearm reference, please don’t shoot anyone in Tucson because of my violent speech) regarding his statement that the Cambridge police had acted “stupidly”. This incident is relatively minor compared to Obama, Eric Holder and Janet Napolitano all criticizing the Arizona immigration law before they had even taken the time to read it. (Item 13)
I could just imagine if Sarah Palin criticized a law and then said, uh well er uh no, I haven’t actually read it yet, but I’m aware of it.

Last and certainly not least is his ability to lie either by omission (Item 16) or to lie outright (Item 14). Of course all politicians do it, but this guy was suppose to be different.

The fact that you asked me to document my claims tells me that you were unaware of most of these Obama embarrassments. One of the hazards of getting all your news from MSNBC, Media Matters, Comedy Central,
SNL, and The New York Times is that you miss a lot of important stories. Particularly the ones that expose Obama for what he is.

I know you think all conservatives, lie, distort, twist, stretch, and take things out of context. I would challenge you to find one lie on my list. I would also challenge you to put the clips in a context that makes the quotes mean anything other than their prima facie interpretation.

Here is the list. Enjoy. http://www.hootervillegazette.com/whatifsarahhadsaidit

“This round was so obvious that there was simply no need for me to enter the fray.”… until now.

Unable to have Sarah Palin spew her manly load all over your face, you do a great job of doing it yourself here.

Keep up the delusion John. Hasn’t Todd gotten a restraining order against you yet?