Kraphummer is a creepy contrarian & a troll. Besides that, who can stand to look at him? His face looks freeze-dried.

As much as I admire Krauthammer and respect his intellect and style I have to note that a pattern has develped in his approach to conservative politics.

He’s very mainstream, old boy Republican. He sniped at Palin when it looked like she was a force to be reckoned with, then Bachmann, and now Cain. Anybody who isn’t in the Beltway cocktail circuit and who begins to rattle some establishment cages gets this from him.

Outsiders cause consternation among the good ol’ boys.

Krauthammer hit the nail on the head

Cain is talking points, no substance behind them, and apparently forgets how modern technology works, aka when you make statements and, especially if your a presidential candidate, you change your opinion or give confusing answers, the media, citizens of the country, and pretty much anyone else can find it.

Cain is a good sales man, his 9-9-9 thing is catchy but I think he’s learning the hard way that having charisma and marketing skills is only half the battle, now you actually have to provide well reasoned responses and show why you made you made all your talking points, if you can’t justify them, then yeah you deserve to be mocked and criticized by any and all.

How often to you get Charles Krauthammer and Bill Maher actually agreeing on something?

Charles,
Defer the question.

Don’t shoot inside the tent!

Yeah, being paralyzed from the neck down since a diving accident in college and living your life in a wheelchair makes him hard to look at, huh?

Schmuck.

Are you teabaggers ready to admit what a moron Cain is yet?

Of course not.

If you didn’t with the queen idiot Palin you will never come clean on Cain.

Cain is winging it. It’s almost like he didn’t expect to catch on. Now he’s just making it up because he never sat down and thought things through. 

Seems for one we agree-stoney jack is a cretin.

Yeah charles, burn the tent DOWN!

LOL

Cain told CNN that while he strongly opposes abortion, “the government shouldn’t be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make.”

..that sounds like a TOTALLY LIBERTARIAN VIEWPOINT ON ABORTION….so, supporters of moRon Paul, explain why he wants the GOVERNMENT to control this individual, person decision.

Charles Krauthammer = racist.  How DARE he criticize Herb Cain.

Another Republican afraid of competition?

Shocking.

You think? Didn’t any one with a semblance of reason have the same reaction to his answers to Lawrence O’Donnell about the civil rights movement and his service in the military or lack there of that the right had to call O’Donnell a racist just to deflect from his inconsistent incoherent answers?

Just goes to show it takes conservatives a whole lot longer to reach the same conclusion others do much earlier

Harry, I totally agree with you.

Could this guy Cain even get a pizza order straight?

He called out Palin, Bachman, and Cain for the no-substance whack jobs they are before some of the teabaggers realized it, and you have a problem with him?  Keep up the good work.  That’s why you jackasses won’t get anywhere in 2012; you’re too stupid to listen to the few in your party smart enough to see how dumb the rest of you are.  Keep biting the hand that’s trying to help you, you’re doing all the heavy lifting for the Democrats yourselves.

Let me sympathize with Cain a bit and offer my own twisted view of abortion.

Abortion is murder (I always try to be honest), in general, but I wouldn’t repeal Roe for three reasons:

1. People are killers. It’s what we do and it’s fundamental to the species. That we are able to kill a fetus for convenience sake is what life is on so many fronts. Euthanasia is similar. We kill grandma, we kill animals, we kill convicts,and we’ve killed innocents on a grand scale with no concern whatsoever; this is what happens in war–and few give any thought to those folks who have died for nothing in all of the wars we’ve fought in the past ten years. With that said, I am against capital punishment and war. War, like abortion, should always be seen as a great failure and never celebrated. Killing is not another kind of policy, but the absolute breakdown of policy. On the highways, driving motor vehicles, we kill between 30 and 40 thousand people a year without a thought. Where is the outrage? “It’s just the cost of living” Some say. Abortion is another cost of living.

2. Prohibition offers the clue that banning Roe would be unworkable. People would ignore the law and many more would die.

3. The inherent inequality of men and women–and the resulting hypocrisy renders the debate untenable. Women have been property for thousands of years. Letting women kill their babies–if they must–should be some form of redress. This is a hard decision and men have lost credibility.

With that said, If I am elected president, I will flood the land with contraception and fund research into more effective forms of contraception.

And I will demonstrably reduce the number of abortions and unwanted pregnancies in this country before my first term is up.

God bless, brothers and sisters!

I’m not trying to be antagonistic, but the three people you mentioned him being against have had some issues with their public presentation, to put it mildly.

I’m not trying to be antagonistic, but the three people you mentioned him being against have had some issues with their public presentation, to put it mildly.

I guess that’s another more blunt way of putting it, lol.

He didn’t expect to catch on.  All Herb was looking for was to sell some books and get a show on Fox.  He never imagined the rubes would hoist him on their shoulders and take him to the Palin promised land……big bucks 4-life.$$$$$$$$$

Herman Cain is not sure what he’s doing or saying.

He’s where he never thought he would be and is being held responsible for what he says…

…Well, imagine that!

Cut the crap Harry. You don’t like him because he accurately dissed Cain. They’re both bad jokes but in this instance Chuck is correct. Get over it.

I’m no Paul supporter, though I respect him. You leave out the part where Cain weasels away from his original position to say abortions should be outlawed and the decision to break the law left to individual families. What sort of crazy thing is that for a presidential candidate to say? Your solution to a problem is to leave it to individuals to decide whether to break the law? Hell, why did we bother to end prohibition? Just break the law if you want a drink! His first answer, though maybe not popular, was respectable. His back tracking is disgraceful.

The way O’Donnell went at him in that interview garnered Cain some sympathy. In hindsight I think O’Donnell knew Cain would go on to stick in the spotlight and dig the hole deeper for himself. What is interesting is that Cain, who chose not to get involved in the civil rights movement, lectured to Republicans, quoting The Gipper, that they have to fight for their freedom now or risk losing it.

What is this ‘Krauthammer?’

Teutonic Bash Weapon. +5 Blunt. -7 Intellect.

The wielder of this weapon only stands a chance if they supress all rational urges. In spite of Fox News affiliation, the wielder may experience a minor attack bonus when they accept a fresh candidate for frontrunner of their accepted party.

I guess “Beltway cocktail circuit” is code for “thinking conservative.”

I don’t agree all that much with Krauthammer, but there’s no doubt he’s an intellectual force within the conservative movement. He’s certainly not alone in being embarrassed by the likes of Bachmann, Cain and, of course, Palin. These three would make William F. Buckley turn over in his grave.

Nobody cares about wizened old leprechaun Krauthammer. He is just another neo-con babbler, sort of an ambulant George Will.

Sorry, but shooting “inside the tent” is exactly what needs to happen if the party is ever going to come out of its funk. The intellectual heavyweights of the GOP — and Krauthammer qualifies — need to speak up, not stand down, to the intellectual lightweights who’ve taken over that party the last two decades.

As a Ron Paul supporter I knew Cain would never make it even Palin knew it.  

It’s not about Krauthammer, its about Cain. Whether Lib or Con, Rep or Dem, Left or Right, Cain’s “position” on abortion was/is incoherrent. And Krauthammer is just one of many listeners pointing that out…. your personal attacks notwithstanding.

He’s “right-winging” it 

ROFLMAO ! HA HA HA HA !

Palin a force to be reckoned with? or Bachmann? or for that matter, Cain?

Do you have a clue how truly ignorant and well.. dumb.. a person has to be to think that woman has any intelligence, any relevance and any force of any kind?

Fact is an intelligent person can smell a stupid person a mile away, but if someone is on her level or below, her being just plain fucking dumb, then you’d look up to her and probably see someone intelligent.

that’s just sad for you and your type…

blunt is all that gets through to them.. if ya piss them off, then it’s gotten through….

Krauthammer’s issue with Cain has nothing to do with him “rattling cages,” or at least the argument stands even if he has an establishment bias against him. I don’t share Krauthammer’s politics, but he’s dead on about this. When you watch Herman Cain give interviews, and look at some of the statements he’s made and walked back, you see this pattern of him being all too willing to say whatever he needs to to placate the people immediately in front of him. He’s not a flip-flopper the way Mitt Romney is, where his positions change for political convenience over the course of years — in his appearance on Stossel, he was literally alternating between pro-choice and pro-life rhetoric, leaving Stossel and the other guy at the table stunned.

If Cain is the nominee, he’ll be obliterated by Obama. He doesn’t have the political experience or discipline to win a campaign, and his foreign policy views (which is to say none) are very nearly disqualifying.

So, you’re admitting to “party first” rather than “country first?” If you have any feeling that foreign policy matters to our place in the world, Cain is a non-starter.

That’s true, but on Stossel he also insisted abortion shouldn’t be legal. He also said it wasn’t the government’s place to make a decision about it. Which is exactly what Krauthammer is saying; Cain, if he even has a coherent position on abortion, doesn’t have the discipline or political savvy to stay on point.

What the hell does this clown  think Obama did ?

Mediaite hacks, you guys aren’t that interested when Krauthammer is taking a chainsaw to Obama. Curious.

I think Herb is finding out it’s easier to make and deliver pizzas that live up to the standards of the Republicon Party!!

If you head over to the Fox Nation, they’ll have just the “spin” you’re looking for!!

He we reminds me more of a Klingon!!

http://www.bobcesca.com/images/krauthammer_klingon.jpg

“Herb” Cain (thanks Sarah) is a complete fraud. 

His pizza business lost market share then was ditched by Pillsbury at a loss in the mid 90′s and since Herb has transformed his Baptist minister routine into a self-help motivational racket.

He is a GOP man for sure!

And was does that tell you about Herb Cain?? That he has no clue on what he stands for??

Damn it sucks to be a GOP candidate. You can screw your whole campaign up on one issue. I guess his flavor of the month time is up.

hahahaha. Even a republican party hack like Krauthammer can’t defend this dumbbell Cain . hahahaha

Nothing gets through. You prove to them they’ve been lied to and they change the subject. 

His 999 thing sounds almost exactly like a pizza commercial. Get three medium pizzas, with three toppings and three orders crazy bread for 9-9-9. Call now… 

Either that or he is reluctant to reveal what he actually stands for, for fear of alienating one “voting” side or the other.

Kind of like when Doug Shoen and Pat Caddell were warning the democrats prior to the 2010 elections.  The democrats were to stupid to listen to the few in their party smart enough to see how dumb the rest were.  Remember?  What are your thoughts of both men?    because, they are still out there warning their democrats.

That’s part of what the process uncovers.  Now, not everyone that noted conservative elders dismiss will fail, some will live to fight another day.  For me, I’m still looking and listening and as much as I have admired Charles Krauthammer there have been times throughout the years that I’ve disagreed with him.  My husband and I just had a discussion on who we think we might support in the primaries, turns out, both are still watching, we have not sent any money to any of them.  We have ruled out a few, but have decided it’s going to be ABO in the long run.  It’s usually written in stone before we get to vote in the primaries anyway.

Come on, President Pizza!
Straighten it out!
Conservatives are thisclose from deciding that YOU are the most qualified Republican presidential candidate. YOU! Mr. Burger King! That’s how sad the Republican party has become. Seriously…all they need is a decent candidate and they can make Obama a one-term president. 
Their answer?
Herman Cain.

Do you people ever take a step back and think, “what the hell are we doing?”

Exactly so, but the GOP is lost to the lightweights, who fear the very act of thinking.

But it is the logical result of your “heavyweights” like Ayn Rand and the other progenitors of the modern conservative movement who have facilitated the rabble: radical individualism with ‘greed is good’ have all legitimized ANYBODY’s opinion. Capitalism is against elites.

“Nobody can tell ME anything–I’M an AMERICAN!”

British: NO! US Government: NO! Academics and intellectuals: NO! Governance of any kind: NO!

And thus we have Palin and the Tea Party.

a RINO?

The beltway cocktail circuit is not only made up of Republicans, it’s a spin off of the Reagan/O’Neill years when they battled during the day and drank together during the evening.  Now, because of the inability of both parties to work together to solve our issues of the day, those still engaging in ‘the circuit”…..both parties…are being looked at with a jaundiced eye because of the polarization we have experienced for quite some time.  Advice they are offering like, Krauthammer, Pat Caddell, Doug Shoen is rejected and it’s my impression that Caddell and Shoen take even more heat from their side than does Krauthammer from the right.  Both democrats spoke out against Grayson and a few others and were villified or ignored.  Kind of like they were embarrassed by the likes of members in their own party but, they were right in the long run.

Of course. And there’s a paradox in that: the TPers enthusiastically embrace Ayn Rand, who thought that religion was a crutch, AND the Bible, which preaches about tolerance, helping others and selflessness. 

Thou sayest, brother!

“incoherent” is another way to describe someone bat sht crazy Bachmann or Palin stupid.

Sorta like the teabagged gNOpigs fearing their TAXES will go up 3% when they clearly fall into the 50% of Americans who don’t pay federal income taxes.

Felix, you cat turd,

Are you going to start your BS of “Herbs Insane is a product of the LBRUL MEDIA” as you did with The Hair?

We’ve told you widdle gNOpigs, you are running a sorry sack of losers and you are going to end up nominating the WORST of the lot. Better not waste your time and stay at home until Nov. 2015.

Nope. Just a Neo-Con. The worst sort of Republican.

Think about this:  Have you ever met a person so stupid that he or she doesn’t know what his or her position is on abortion?  If you answered yes, then you may have met Herman Cain. 

Cain had already admitted that he “makes it up as he goes along”.
Cain is banking on the notion that most Americans subscribe to the KISS philosophy of economic, social, and foreign policy.

Alas, we do not live in a comic book world, and no one has written ”Politics for Dummies” yet … although Cain, Bachmann, Perry, and Palin would certainly benefit from reading it.

Look, in fairness, I think a lot of people struggle with this issue. It’s highly complex, very emotional and requires a balancing act between personal freedom and questions of when life begins. I can respect most points of view on this, even if I’m pro-choice. I’m not defending Cain, because he clearly is trying to talk out of both sides of his mouth, but I can also see why some people don’t have easy answers to the “do you support abortion?” question.

Yes, people certainly struggle with this issue on a moral level. But that’s not the problem Cain is having.

Yes, he is. He isn’t as conservative as most people assume. Look at some of his policy positions and viewpoints. 

Was Palin ever, ” a force to be reckoned with”? It always made me laugh when Tea Party people claimed Democrats were “Afraid of Palin”. It turned out that it was Republicans who were afraid of Palin’s ignorance and pettiness and that is why Fox “News” shut her down.Palin’s approval rating is around 11%. As a Democrat I was praying she would run, but at least Herman Cain is playing the fool in her place.

999 gives me fiscal indigestion.  The middle class and the poor deserve better fare.

I really wish Palin was running. Such a shame missing that clusterf#ck of a candidacy.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE TIME OBAMA CHANGED A SUBJECT?! 

YOU CANT EXPLAIN THAT!

Stoneyjack and Michelle are users that give a bad impression of what conservatives are actually like, it’s a shame. 

Well, I don’t think the way he looks should enter into it. 

This clip is interesting, because it proves there’s a narrow range in which Fox News actually knows how to provide reasoned political commentary: on Republicans that the channel does not support but feels constrained against trashing, because it might demean the selection process. So that’s nice to see, but it raises a more disturbing point, which is that if FNC can actually do this straight, then clearly they are willfully cheating their viewers by applying differing standards depending on their own employer’s preferences. Both Klein and Krauthammer presented their criticisms in a sound, sane way that contrasts with the false narratives they typically set up when discussing Democratic party candidates, and indeed some Republican candidates the employer seeks to denigrate, such as Ron Paul; and even then, they don’t go after Paul for his outrageous positions on race and poverty, they again set up false narratives in order to avoid appearing to or actually criticizing the Republican party. 

Anyway, the commentary in this clip is so rare, it’s actually both refreshing AND frustrating.

Shoen is a poseur (Caddell is not someone whose work I know all that well, so I’ll decline to comment here.). Grayson is a genuine force to be reckoned with and will be back in Congress or Washington at least soon enough.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Obama dispose of Cain, but it wouldn’t be good for the country, and in any event it’s just a debate about air, because the Republican party is not about to just throw this election; they may well lose, but they certainly don’t want to lose.

See, there you are: an example of how unreasonable it is to even try to discuss something with so many conservatives. I can say I agree with Krauthammer, and you can say you disagree, and we can each state our reasons, but somehow Krauthammer is being “disloyal” in being at all candid or accurate, both technically going to how he does his job as a political writer and TV commentator. The Lawn King has spoken: Don’t shoot intside the tent; in other words, shut up and let us continue to pretend Cain is ready.

True enough, but I’m starting to think he sort of half believes it now, and just doesn’t know how to behave any differently.

Look, if a candidate can’t handle Lawrence O’Donnell, he shouldn’t go on his show, and he’s certainly not ready for prime time.

Although, after he’s done and gone, I can see him hosting SNL: it sure looks like he could do at least a bit of comedy, and he’s very nice-natured, like many unserious people.

I fairness, I think you just struck out at one of his real strengths. Yes, I can see him doing that and doing it well. I can also see him running a pizza parlor, even a chain of them. There’s clearly things he can do, but being president doesn’t happen to be among them.

Oh, I can see one very big difference between him and Will: Will will lie, and has, routinely on things like science, particularly on global warming. Krauthammer has this ability to draw a line between the evidence he’s relying on and the opinion he’s delivering, which shows up well in print: whenever you think you’ve heard him saying something truly disreputable, it turns out he put a fence around it as opinion and even then qualified it. Will, on the other hand, is like some trusted family doctor who’s actually killing old ladies  with overdoses when no one is around; his ‘work’ on climate change has been shockingly dishonest. Plus, he lies constantly on economic matters, including on This Week on ABC unless Krugman is there to straighten him out, whereupon he pouts at being upbraided. Lately he’s learned to walk around Krugman by seeming to agree with him on several points then saying something imperiously ridiculous. If he was emperor in Roman times, he’d be Caligula.  

Another cheap shot at his appearance.

Well, he actually doesn’t do that. He tends to frame his criticisms of Obama with little escape hatches, and those don’t work well as Mediaite clips, which tend to favor blatant horse shit.

That’s actually pretty close. What he did for the Pillsbury conglomerate is pretend to be president of an autonomous subsidiary in order to grow market share among black customers. Of course, Pillsbury products are really slow-death poison, so that was a tough enough job, but they couldn’t find anyone more convincing who was also willing to sell out ‘his people’. He was a mostly a spokesperson and an advance man, not an actual executive with decision-making power. 

Moreover, it’s not really a federal issue, it’s a constitutional issue that cuts across location and authority. The key cases are all based on state initiatives. It really doesn’t belong in debates at this level, particularly for the office of president; to the extent it has any relevance in the federal sphere, then it’s a matter for Congress, not the executive. That of course renders Santorum that much more irrelevant.

I wouldn’t call him that just based on this. The “abortion” topic is not limited to one party, as there are many pro-choice Republicans and there are many Catholic Democrats and conservative Democrats who are anti-abortion.

I’m a libertarian who supports Herman Cain and no big fan of Dr. Ron Paul. Libertarians generally support government intervention to protect the rights of the weak. Without knowing Dr. Paul’s position on this issue, my expectation is that as a physician and a Christian, Dr. Paul recognizes a fetus as a living human being of the weakest and most vulnerable sort, whose right to life must be protected against capricious extinguishment. I can respect that.

What I thought we initially heard from Cain was a libertarian stance that the government ought not be intruding on everyone’s personal decisions. A better answer probably would have been that although he has very strong personal beliefs about it, at the current time the nation needs to focus on economic issues and therefore Cain would not be running to make big social changes — i.e., a truce on social issues. Too bad he didn’t tack to that position.

I’ll agree that Cain’s latest position (illegal but the law should not be enforced) is incoherent. But I am still inclined to chalk it up to Cain not having practiced explanations of his every position, something I wish he would do in the next few days, now that there’s money in the campaign coffers to pay a staff to work with him on these deficiencies.

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You are full of shit … if he were paralyzed from the neck down, he would be in a wheelchair with a breathing device such as Christopher Reeves set up.

He IS in a wheelchair and apparently has been since a college diving accident.  I don’t know how high up his injury is, but if you watch him speak, there has to be some diaphragmatic nerve involvement or something else going on.  He pauses at times in an unnatural way to catch a breath.

Watch any video where he speaks for a long length of time and you can see him do it.  What the level of injury is, what equipment he has if any to assist, I know not.

Ronald McDonald has a better understanding of the abortion issue than Herman Cain.

Exactly right. It is a very complex issue, and Herman Cain was not ‘talking out of both sides of his mouth’.
He was saying to Piers Morgan, if someone chooses an abortion, because of rape or incest, then that is for the family to decide. The President of the United States does not have the authority to stop them. It is not his job. 
That doesn’t alter Cain’s his pro-life views. You people obviously have never been around Southern Baptists.. nobody is more pro- life than those guys.

Go back to your Ron Paul website and donate money to your candidate of choice.. who has zero chance of winning the nomination. You are like termites, swarming every news article.

What is so hard about understanding that a person can have personal beliefs, but as a Leader, does not believe in forcing those beliefs on everyone else thru legislation?  That is what a “Real” Leader is, just like the military, it doesn’t matter what your beliefs are, there are rules laid out and you have to follow them, whether you like them or not.  Of course, it takes Common Sense to understand Common Sense solutions or answers, which is something the Left has never had.  When God was handing out Common Sense, they became afraid and hid, same when he was handing out Brains, they thought he said Rain, and hid!

Charles is a very brilliant man.

I keep telling my friends the same thing. Cain talks in sound bites not logical ones either.  He keeps saying that details are a secret when confronted by questioners.
I guess Cain is not able to clarify his positions.  If he can’t, who will?

Doug Shoen and Pat Caddell are “democrats?”

Is there any proof of this out there?

–Cobra

Krauthammer is not a conservative hes a flipping commie hiding and pretending to be a conservative.
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/03/anybody-have-complete-text-of-this.html

In 1978, Krauthammer quit the practice of psychiatry and came to
Washington to direct planning in psychiatric research under the Carter administration. He began contributing articles about politics to The New Republic and in 1980 served as a speech writer to Vice President Walter Mondale.

He is a commie that plays liberal one decade and conservative the next. He is the kinda guy you want to watch out for.

Krauthammer is a democratic ideal supporter. Even though he is right on Cain. Cain is a liar.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/the-ignorance-of-herman-cain/question-2255597/?page=1&new=1&scroll=1#post_70693559