Interesting, indeed. Is there any wonder why more people turn to Fox for their news, than CNN? Those teachers should all be ashamed of themselves and the doctors should lose their licenses.

Teachers are already underpaid, they can protest if they want to. Republicans don’t understand that they already are underpaid to both babysit and teach children.

Now they are supposed to sit there and have their rights taken away? Sorrry I support the teachers, the rest of you can burn in a ditch for all I care.

Seems like CNN is determined to make a run at MSNBC for the “looney left”.
Who knows?
Who cares?

Snowspot said:
Now they are supposed to sit there and have their rights taken away? Sorrry I support the teachers, the rest of you can burn in a ditch for all I care.

Well, you can support the teachers’ right to protest anything they wish, but that doesn’t mean that they also have the right to expect that there are no consequences with their decision to essentially strike. To insist that their cause is so just that it transcends acts of fraud.

Frankly, the dynamics of any dispute is that both sides have certain pressures and thus the impetus to make concessions.

I support the teachers right to protest. As I support everyone right to protest but to quote Obama “Elections have consequences.”

OMG…they are being asked to pay a portion of their pension and health benefits like the rest of America. What a shame.

Snowspot said:
Teachers are already underpaid, they can protest if they want to. Republicans don’t understand that they already are underpaid to both babysit and teach children.

Now they are supposed to sit there and have their rights taken away? Sorrry I support the teachers, the rest of you can burn in a ditch for all I care.

90k a year for salary and benefits and lifetime benefits without being able to be fired, all for a part-time job, is underpaid?????????? You must be off your meds.

Snowspot said:
Teachers are already underpaid, they can protest if they want to. Republicans don’t understand that they already are underpaid to both babysit and teach children.

Now they are supposed to sit there and have their rights taken away? Sorrry I support the teachers, the rest of you can burn in a ditch for all I care.

And if they aren’t showing to work, why shouldn’t an employer have the ability to fire them?

Jobs are not rights.

Below are average annual earnings for secondary school teachers in five of the largest metropolitan areas in the state:
Green Bay: $55,110
Kenosha: $68,400
Madison: $50,770
Milwaukee: $54,620
Racine: $49,710

Benefits: $40,000

And they get the summer off.

The union thugs own Obama and the Democrats . Obama is breaking the law himself siccing his OFA goons on a sovereign state . Once again , the Arrogant Organizer on the wrong side .

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41907

Snowspot said:
Teachers are already underpaid, they can protest if they want to. Republicans don’t understand that they already are underpaid to both babysit and teach children.

$100K in compensation for 9 months of work is NOT underpaid.

Moderate said:
Below are average annual earnings for secondary school teachers in five of the largest metropolitan areas in the state:
Green Bay: $55,110
Kenosha: $68,400
Madison: $50,770
Milwaukee: $54,620
Racine: $49,710

Benefits: $40,000

And they get the summer off.

Retirement after 20 years service and health care for life in many districts throughout the country. Every federal holiday, sick leave and comp time. And they can retire and go back to work for the district, and “double dip”. All for the kids.

espo222 said:
Interesting, indeed. Is there any wonder why more people turn to Fox for their news, than CNN? Those teachers should all be ashamed of themselves and the doctors should lose their licenses.

The teachers and the doctors are committing fraud, and quite possibly felonious offences. They should lose their jobs, benefits, licenses and voting rights if convicted.

Nothing to see here… move along.

This myth that teachers are underpaid has been floated around for while and it’s been echoed by Hollywood in their self-rightous speeches when they are accepting their oscars for working 16 weeks and making 9 million dollars. The teachers are not underpaid and they are not the problem. The thuggish unions are the problem along with Trumka. If Obama was a true leader, he would scold the cowardly dems who are hiding out and tell them that it it their job to show up to vote. He would also scold the teachers who are out protesting instead of teaching and lastly, he should scold the doctors who are out their giving out fake doctor’s notes.

Fox gives you the conservative version (which in this case is the right version) of events. CNN gives you the brain dead version. It’s been amazing what CNN lets its interviewees get away with without comment. The only time I turned it to CNN they were just letting some WI lunatic drone on about how the “right wingers” were trying to destroy the country.

Fox News may just as well be working out of the Governor’s Office. If one good thing comes out of this mess in Wisconsin, its that Fox News really cannot continue to claim to be a News Network. They could not be more helpful to the Governor’s position even if they worked for the Administration. To my mind it just is not Possible that for a whole week a so called News Network, and EVERYONE OF ITS ON AIR TALENT, can see no problem with the Governor’s position but all of them seem to feel comfortable in condemning the UNIONS POSITION.

This isn’t News reporting its called in the real World “PROPAGANDA”…..Fox-News is simply an arm of the Republican Party, if you don’t believe that, you are a fool and no longer to be taken seriously……

The protesters in Egypt are screaming for democracy, the democrats in WI and the WH are trying to subvert it.

OK, I’ll bite. What, exactly, is Fox “lying” about this time?

I’m willing to bet that the majority of American right now are…

1) Out of work… or
2) Spouse is out of work… or
3) Have a close friends of family member who is out of work.

My wife has been out of work for 1.5 years and has a masters degree. Her last 3 jobs ended when the companies went under.

My yearly bonus and raise stopped 2 years ago due to my hospital loosing a lot on it’s trust accounts. We all had to sacrifice to keep everyone working and not have heaver work loads due to a worker shortage. So far no one had had to be fired. Although we slower hiring, no one has has yo take extra shifts of lose their job. This is a private business and can do this with ease.

Now take a look at these state paid (taxes) workers wanting nothing to fall on them and asking everyone else to give a little more so that give up nothing.

espo222 said:
OK, I’ll bite. What, exactly, is Fox “lying” about this time?

This enquiring mind wants to know too!!

espo222 said:
OK, I’ll bite. What, exactly, is Fox “lying” about this time?

Well… we know what MSNBC is lying about… don’t we.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/18/rachel-maddow/rachel-maddow-says-wisconsin-track-have-budget-sur/

Moderate said:
Below are average annual earnings for secondary school teachers in five of the largest metropolitan areas in the state:
Green Bay: $55,110
Kenosha: $68,400
Madison: $50,770
Milwaukee: $54,620
Racine: $49,710

Benefits: $40,000

And they get the summer off.

How can someone give this a “thumbs down?” I understand not liking an opinion, but these are FACTS. Teachers get about 90k for a part-time job.

The WI unions have given in to the financial argument. They’re trying to hold onto their bargaining rights.

Here’s my question: When does a right become an educational reform right (class, size, professional responsibilities, etc) instead of a citizen-based right to fair pay, sick leave, etc? WI has the following law in place, http://legis.wisconsin.g…ov/statutes/Stat0230.pdf (not sure what the latest version is).

So my question is, when do rights turn from fair state laws as granted by being a citizen and those based on the idea of education reform? Shouldn’t these rights for class room size debates and so on be considered at the local level? I’m interested as to what other folks think on this matter.

espo222 said:
Interesting, indeed. Is there any wonder why more people turn to Fox for their news, than CNN? Those teachers should all be ashamed of themselves and the doctors should lose their licenses.

They could just have Rush Limbaugh write them. What did he get for forgery and drug abuse and distribution? Oh, a talk show for Fox/Murdoch/AM Hate Talk Radio to work for the Koch Bros!! Nice!

JazzyJim said:
They could just have Rush Limbaugh write them. What did he get for forgery and drug abuse and distribution? Oh, a talk show for Fox/Murdoch/AM Hate Talk Radio to work for the Koch Bros!! Nice!

nice comeback lol

espo222 said:
How can someone give this a “thumbs down?” I understand not liking an opinion, but these are FACTS. Teachers get about 90k for a part-time job.

I wouldn’t necessarily call teaching a part-time opportunity and it’s more near $100,000 for the wages and benefits earned per year. I will agree with teachers that they do spend money on their classrooms that they shouldn’t have to, but the other stuff shouldn’t be a collective bargaining right, right? When does collective bargaining turn into nanny state governance?

Then again, this is probably another James O’Keefe, Andrew Brietbart “fake” that only Fox could find. Of course.

Republicans Hate America. They like it better in Glennbeckistan, where Rush Limbuagh is a worshiped forger for meds and stupidity.
The other missing point here and lost on everyone is the REPUBLICANS HAVE MADE EVERY STATE BROKE WITH THE BS LIES FOR 30 YEARS and particularly 8 years of hell under GW Bush. The want to give the corporations, banks, wall street and Health Insurance Mafia the biggest tax breaks and assistance and then turn on the working, tax paying American people and say – it’s your fault!!

Revolution is coming Koch Bros. You best leave town.

Just answer this question Sarah Palin – Where is the sacrifice of the Corporate Welfare Companies that run the Republican Party? Bush, Reagan, Koch Bros/Industries/Teabaggers/Republicans have ginned the game and don’t want to pay for your waste and ignorance – you want the middle class and poor to bail out your Banks and Wall Street, your illegal wars, your losing $12 Billion in the Iraq desert, your Trillion Dollar wars and Corporate Tax Gifts – the 2/3rd Corporations that don’t pay taxes in Wisconsin – what is their sacrifice. In otherwords madam – YOU LIE. You are paid like Beck, Hannity and Limbuagh and Brietbart and Ingrahahm indirectly by Koch Industries and you’re doing their bidding. You’ve been found out. How long before you run?

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/02/18/koch-brothers-behind-wisconsin-effort-to-kill-public-unions/

Can’t you just wait until ABC, CBS, NBC and the regular sheep media starts defending the frauds, too? The sheep will be thoroughly emboldened with a renewed set of talking points. Meanwhile, these “respectful” protesters are trashing the capital, destroying private property and the union police are showing no favoritism at all.

JazzyJim said:
Then again, this is probably another James O’Keefe, Andrew Brietbart “fake” that only Fox could find. Of course. Republicans Hate America. They like it better in Glennbeckistan, where Rush Limbuagh is a worshiped forger for meds and stupidity.The other missing point here and lost on everyone is the REPUBLICANS HAVE MADE EVERY STATE BROKE WITH THE BS LIES FOR 30 YEARS and particularly 8 years of hell under GW Bush. The want to give the corporations, banks, wall street and Health Insurance Mafia the biggest tax breaks and assistance and then turn on the working, tax paying American people and say – it’s your fault!! Revolution is coming Koch Bros. You best leave town. Just answer this question Sarah Palin – Where is the sacrifice of the Corporate Welfare Companies that run the Republican Party? Bush, Reagan, Koch Bros/Industries/Teabaggers/Republicans have ginned the game and don’t want to pay for your waste and ignorance – you want the middle class and poor to bail out your Banks and Wall Street, your illegal wars, your losing $12 Billion in the Iraq desert, your Trillion Dollar wars and Corporate Tax Gifts – the 2/3rd Corporations that don’t pay taxes in Wisconsin – what is their sacrifice. In otherwords madam – YOU LIE. You are paid like Beck, Hannity and Limbuagh and Brietbart and Ingrahahm indirectly by Koch Industries and you’re doing their bidding. You’ve been found out. How long before you run? http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/02/18/koch-brothers-behind-wisconsin-effort-to-kill-public-unions/

glad you address the thread lol

Well of course Fox is calling it that. They were told to follow orders from Karl Rove and the GOP.

huntingtonboy said:
Well of course Fox is calling it that. They were told to follow orders from Karl Rove and the GOP.

Exactly.

huntingtonboy said:
Well of course Fox is calling it that. They were told to follow orders from Karl Rove and the GOP.

what do you call it?

JazzyJim said:
Then again, this is probably another James O’Keefe, Andrew Brietbart “fake” that only Fox could find. Of course.

Republicans Hate America. They like it better in Glennbeckistan, where Rush Limbuagh is a worshiped forger for meds and stupidity.
The other missing point here and lost on everyone is the REPUBLICANS HAVE MADE EVERY STATE BROKE WITH THE BS LIES FOR 30 YEARS and particularly 8 years of hell under GW Bush. The want to give the corporations, banks, wall street and Health Insurance Mafia the biggest tax breaks and assistance and then turn on the working, tax paying American people and say – it’s your fault!!

Revolution is coming Koch Bros. You best leave town.

Just answer this question Sarah Palin – Where is the sacrifice of the Corporate Welfare Companies that run the Republican Party? Bush, Reagan, Koch Bros/Industries/Teabaggers/Republicans have ginned the game and don’t want to pay for your waste and ignorance – you want the middle class and poor to bail out your Banks and Wall Street, your illegal wars, your losing $12 Billion in the Iraq desert, your Trillion Dollar wars and Corporate Tax Gifts – the 2/3rd Corporations that don’t pay taxes in Wisconsin – what is their sacrifice. In otherwords madam – YOU LIE. You are paid like Beck, Hannity and Limbuagh and Brietbart and Ingrahahm indirectly by Koch Industries and you’re doing their bidding. You’ve been found out. How long before you run?

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/02/18/koch-brothers-behind-wisconsin-effort-to-kill-public-unions/

You are such a loser. Did you just drop out of some WI high school? Did you make it that far? How did you leave Halliburton out of your diatribe? Is Koch the new Halliburton? Tell us about GE and Jeffry Immelt in 0bama’s administration.

cjd ohio 1 said:
glad you address the thread lol

Given that this is a Union Busting effort by the Koch Bros. and GOP – yeah, it’s all about the same thing – Attack the working middle and poor class TAX PAYING workers on behalf of Koch Bros. and the non-tax paying corporate owners of Mr. Walker and the GOP.

ndanielson said:
Can’t you just wait until ABC, CBS, NBC and the regular sheep media starts defending the frauds, too? The sheep will be thoroughly emboldened with a renewed set of talking points. Meanwhile, these “respectful” protesters are trashing the capital, destroying private property and the union police are showing no favoritism at all.

As a person that has built buildings in the state of WI, my mother is getting really sick of all of the stuff going on. If it continues, she’s going to call the Capitol and check on capacity size (due to safety concerns) and on why the Capitol is staying open after visiting hours. She doesn’t like the fact that the building is going to have to be refurbished or that we’re paying for all of the clogged toilets, etc..

JazzyJim said:
They could just have Rush Limbaugh write them. What did he get for forgery and drug abuse and distribution? Oh, a talk show for Fox/Murdoch/AM Hate Talk Radio to work for the Koch Bros!! Nice!

If you don’t like Fox or Rush, don’t tune in. The taxpayers don’t have a say as to whether or not they think state workers are overpaid. They have no choice.

huntingtonboy said:
Well of course Fox is calling it that. They were told to follow orders from Karl Rove and the GOP.

So that they could frustrate the jizzyjims of the world.

WCinWI said:
As a person that has built buildings in the state of WI, my mother is getting really sick of all of the stuff going on. If it continues, she’s going to call the Capitol and check on capacity size (due to safety concerns) and on why the Capitol is staying open after visiting hours. She doesn’t like the fact that the building is going to have to be refurbished or that we’re paying for all of the clogged toilets, etc..

But they aren’t Tea Partyers, they are peaceful demonstrators, right? I mean jizzyjim and his bros support them, right?

JazzyJim said:
Given that this is a Union Busting effort by the Koch Bros. and GOP – yeah,

You forgot the Wisconsin electorate. You lost, moocher.

“Jazzy Jim” is sleeping with Roseann Barr.

ndanielson said:
So that they could frustrate the jizzyjims of the world.

Actually its so they can abuse morons like you as proven by your idiocy here.

Pablo said:
You forgot the Wisconsin electorate. You lost, moocher.

Oh, but the elected officials “aren’t listening to the people” – “there are more of us, than there are of them” – They’re ignoring the “will of the people”; Those as you know are the Faux/Luntz Teabagger catch phrases – when they bussed their hired hands to disrupt town hall meetings.

I guess these real Americans don’t have the same rights. Hypocrites and Liars for the Koch Bros. That’s all you are.

golds1 said:
“Jazzy Jim” is sleeping with Roseann Barr.

And you’re sleeping with Tom Arnold. What’s your point?

the ends justify the means right jazz

JazzyJim said:
Then again, this is probably another James O’Keefe, Andrew Brietbart “fake” that only Fox could find. Of course.

Right. You can tell by this post which finds CNN reporting it. Idiot.

espo222 said:
How can someone give this a “thumbs down?” I understand not liking an opinion, but these are FACTS. Teachers get about 90k for a part-time job.

Facts are so anti-liberal. In fact, without facts we would live in a liberal utopia, run by the jizzyjims of the world. Kumbayah, baby!

cjd ohio 1 said:
what do you call it?

Actually Frank Luntz and Roger Ailes do all the writing for Karl Rove and the Fox Ministry of Lies and Koch Bros. Owned GOP.

ndanielson said:
Facts are so anti-liberal. In fact, without facts we would live in a liberal utopia, run by the jizzyjims of the world. Kumbayah, baby!

Life in Glennbeckistan must be sweet for the ignorant like you. Do you have your own Fear Dome?

Go buy over priced gold and survival seed Palinistas the end is neigh!

She whispers sweet “Koch Bros” conspiracies theories in your ear at night – moron.

You are a true idiot – the perfect representative for the loony left.

JazzyJim said:
Oh, but the elected officials “aren’t listening to the people” – “there are more of us, than there are of them” – They’re ignoring the “will of the people”; Those as you know are the Faux/Luntz Teabagger catch phrases – when they bussed their hired hands to disrupt town hall meetings.

Yes, they are. They’re fulfilling what they said they’d do when they were running for office. And I don’t want to hear about Kochs and buses when you’ve got SEIU and AFL-CIO busing them in wholesale while the POTUS is doing his own Organizing for Wisconsin. The right is way behind in that game. If you don’t like them getting into it, that’s just tough shit.

You know why the Walker supporters weren’t there until Saturaday? They were AT WORK.

JazzyJim said:
Actually Frank Luntz and Roger Ailes do all the writing for Karl Rove and the Fox Ministry of Lies and Koch Bros. Owned GOP.

yeah people, dont you know the Koch brothers made those doctors write fake excuses , damn these people jazz

Jazzy needs a ban hammer.

JazzyJim said:
They could just have Rush Limbaugh write them. What did he get for forgery and drug abuse and distribution? Oh, a talk show for Fox/Murdoch/AM Hate Talk Radio to work for the Koch Bros!! Nice!

Oh where can we start with this, Limbaugh’s show was first nationally syndicated in August 1988. In April 2006, Limbaugh turned himself in and was arrested “on a single charge of prescription fraud”.

So how could a guy that got charged in 2006 get a Syndication radio deal in 1988?

Oh wait I just saw your Avitar, isn’t that guy up on drug charges and could be possibly going to jail himself?

From Winki: On September 11, 2009 Jeff Hardy was arrested on charges of trafficking in controlled prescription pills and possession of anabolic steroids, after a search of his house yielded 262 Vicodin prescription pills, 180 soma prescription pills, 555 milliliters of anabolic steroids, a residual amount of powder cocaine, and drug paraphernalia.

Remember those “competent expert medical professionals” (working for BP OIL) who certified that the Lockerbie Bomber Abdel Basset al-Megrahi was minutes away from death so he HAD to be released from prison (so BP could complete its oil deal with Libya)? (FYI: years later, al-Megrahi is STILL partying in Libya.) Those are they same type of medical b-tards that flooded NY to “certify” thousands and thousands of “public servants” for BILLIONS of dollars in give-aways under the lunatic-left d-crat socialist atrocious taxpayer rip-off bill of “benefits” for 911 workers. And, if that’s not enough, thousands of the california-based “competent expert medical professionals” who certify the dire need for medical pot for millions of california stoners each and every day joined the other money-grubbers in that massive shafting of the American taxpayer. So, it certainly is no surprise that these medical lowlifes are in Wisconsin cashing-in on the dereliction of responsibility by the unethical, unscrupulous union teachers to “certify” their LIES about being sick so they can further rip-off taxpayers.

I haven’t paid any attention to this story beyond what’s been reported on this website because a teacher strike in another part of the country has absolutely nothing to do with me, but…

Martin’s “very interesting” is like his “we’ll have to leave it there” and it appeared from the clip that he wasn’t paying any attention to the report, he was just waiting for his cue.

As for the post’s assertion that the doctor’s writing the notes is “not legal”, I’m not familiar with Wisconsin law and perhaps there is a criminal statute, but it looks more to me that if the state were to sue the teacher for the pay issued on a day they weren’t sick, then the doctor could also be sued. In other words in my opinion, it sounds a little misleading to imply that something that could theoretically become an issue in civil court is “not legal”, if for no other reason, a court would still have to decide.

JizzyJim said:
Go buy over priced gold and survival seed Palinistas the end is neigh!

Yes it is, and you are on the wrong side all the way around. The writing is on the walls. Read it and weep.

golds1 said:
“Jizzy Jim” is sleeping with Roseann Barr.

He is Rosanne Barr. I think he likes mentioning the Koch brothers because he really does not know how to pronounce the name. Those lines of coke sure give him a rush for a while though, don’t they?

JazzyJim said:
Go buy over priced gold

Oh, you mean at this guy’s website?

http://www.tomhartman.com/

JizzyJim said:
Actually its so they can abuse morons like you as proven by your idiocy here.

You don’t bother me, dummy. I enjoy watching you spew. Get out all your buzzwords and liberal talking points, as it is all you liberals have anyway. You just draw such attention to them, that even your sheep followers are embarrassed. Did the Koch bros pi$$ is your coco-puffs, again this morning?

Expanding upon my previous comment with an example;

If I were to put a sign in my yard that says “J.J. Schmidt is a Doofus”, it’s not a crime and it isn’t illegal, though John Jacob Schmidt could sue me for libel and the court could order me to take the sign down.

So it is:

With Fox you get news
With CNN you get views.

This is why Fox kicks CNN to the curb in the ratings game.

If you like to order pizza for the protesters go to http://www.ianspizza.com the place is on state st. Everyone around the world is ordering pizza for the workers

Go to rallies in your area support Madison http://www.jwjblog.org/2011/02/worker-solidarity-rallies-planned

TfT said:
With Fox you get news
With CNN you get views.

In the clip, both networks report the notes and the reporters for both make their own characterization. Fox dwells upon their characterization considerably more than the CNN reporter’s ad-lib, so arguably they’re the ones with the “views”, but any way you look at it, both stations reported the “news”.

Sorry but this story sounds bogus. Union members have great health care. No need to get a phony excuse when u can go to your personal physician and get an excuse. Fox news at it again.
Bogus stupid story.

A doctor?, calling sick?!!! It is disgusting and no matter what liberal says , it is just wrong!

This is all going to backfire on the teachers and unions. Almost eerybody thinks the teachers are being babies and the unions are being thugs. There benifits are better than 90% of working americans and they are bitching. I hope they all get fired. Regan fired the air traffic workers… I say we fire every teacher who lied about being sick or used FAKE Dr’s letters…

truthrose1 said:
Sorry but this story sounds bogus. Union members have great health care. No need to get a phony excuse when u can go to your personal physician and get an excuse. Fox news at it again.Bogus stupid story.

yeah and cnn too, right?

truthrose1 said:
Sorry but this story sounds bogus. Union members have great health care. No need to get a phony excuse when u can go to your personal physician and get an excuse. Fox news at it again.
Bogus stupid story.

You have no idea whats going on do you?

Pablo said:
You know why the Walker supporters weren’t there until Saturaday? They were AT WORK.

It was a one day astro-tuff protest set up by Breitbart and friends surely for their own publicity.

TfT said:
So it is:

With Fox you get news
With CNN you get views.

This is why Fox kicks CNN to the curb in the ratings game.

That is hilarious, Fox should hire you as their new propagandist limerick writer.

truthrose1 said:
Sorry but this story sounds bogus. Union members have great health care. No need to get a phony excuse when u can go to your personal physician and get an excuse. Fox news at it again.
Bogus stupid story.

Another one who missed CNN in the post. Genius.

Nacho said:
It was a one day astro-tuff protest set up by Breitbart and friends surely for their own publicity.

The protesters aren’t even teachers. They’re homeless people shipped in by Trumka and SEIU. Real teachers love this bill.

Hey, making up idiotic stuff is pretty easy. Thanks, Nacho!

Pablo said:
The protesters aren’t even teachers. They’re homeless people shipped in by Trumka and SEIU. Real teachers love this bill.

Hey, making up idiotic stuff is pretty easy. Thanks, Nacho!

http://americansforprosperity.org/021911-afp-launches-standwithwalkercom
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=142039272524888
http://istandwithwalker.com/ American Majority??

Astro-turf organizations fighting real American workers.

I have yet to see anybody discern if it is only the liberal protesters who get the slips.

Magister said:
Expanding upon my previous comment with an example;

If I were to put a sign in my yard that says “J.J. Schmidt is a Doofus”, it’s not a crime and it isn’t illegal, though John Jacob Schmidt could sue me for libel and the court could order me to take the sign down.

Libel, defamation and loss of business.

And from my understanding, it’s fraud when the doctor cashes in on the sick note. Either way, it’s moral fraud. :) Don’t worry – Walker’s people probably already know about all of this. He’s a reasonable guy. He was elected to term in a Milw. county race multiple times.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I have yet to see anybody discern if it is only the liberal protesters who get the slips.

Who cares? This is a non-issue.

Nacho said:
http://americansforprosperity.org/021911-afp-launches-standwithwalkercom
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=142039272524888
http://istandwithwalker.com/ American Majority??

Astro-turf organizations fighting real American workers.

And the union buses that took them in?

Also, being a liberal, I would think you would think it eco to take a bus rather than to drive. Did you even watch the rally? Folks talked real briefly and a lot of them that talked were local folks – including a radio personality and two tea party leaders. When your argument can be nullified by the opposition (both sides bused in), that’s a pretty weak argument.

WCinWI said:
Who cares? This is a non-issue.

I’m just curious, notsosmart.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I’m just curious, notsosmart.

Then you should respond to notsosmart and not me. :)

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I have yet to see anybody discern if it is only the liberal protesters who get the slips.

Nope. Breitbart got one.

I’m a real Republican but I don’t like how our party has to bend over backwards for these Tea Party crazies. I wish they would just form their own party and get out of my party. Tea Party are a bunch of lunatics.

Snowspot said:
Sorrry I support the teachers, the rest of you can burn in a ditch for all I care.

Dude, that is just messed up.

Powerslave said:
Dude, that is just messed up.

Bwhahahha *falls into burning ditch* Nooooooo

Doctors writing unethical and illegal letters to people to promote a political agenda while hurting our children is nothing short of pure selfishness that it pathetic and sickening, regardless of which side your are on.

lucky5 said:
I’m a real Republican but I don’t like how our party has to bend over backwards for these Tea Party crazies. I wish they would just form their own party and get out of my party. Tea Party are a bunch of lunatics.

Intersting. What does that have to do with the article or video?

Nacho said:
http://americansforprosperity.org/021911-afp-launches-standwithwalkercom
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=142039272524888
http://istandwithwalker.com/ American Majority??

Astro-turf organizations fighting real American workers.

Astroturfer-In-Chief Which, he’s got the inventor of the practice, David Axelrod, in his office next door.

Snowspot said:
Bwhahahha *falls into burning ditch* Nooooooo

Why is the ditch burning in the first place?

Pablo said:
Nope. Breitbart got one.

Actually, he attempted to get one, but then once one of the “docs” or people that signed folks up saw a video camera, he was deemed healthy. :)

I don’t watch fox, but Doctors handing out “sick passes” is fraud. There is no other way to look at it. cnn is just trying to preserve its ad revenues from the unions.

lucky5 said:
I’m a real Republican but I don’t like how our party has to bend over backwards for these Tea Party crazies. I wish they would just form their own party and get out of my party. Tea Party are a bunch of lunatics.

You’ve said that in two threads now. Please keep it on topic when possible, unless breaking a story. :)

Powerslave said:
Intersting. What does that have to do with the article or video?

Whoops. My bad. Didn’t see your statement.

I concur. :)

The Koch Brothers’ buses were not harmed in the making of this film.

Powerslave said:
Why is the ditch burning in the first place?

Global warming.

lucky5 said:
I’m a real Republican but I don’t like how our party has to bend over backwards for these Tea Party crazies. I wish they would just form their own party and get out of my party. Tea Party are a bunch of lunatics.

So you’re a Lindsey Graham, John McCain kinda republican? Or an 0lympia Snow, Susan Collins type of republican?

kvon said:
The Koch Brothers’ buses were not harmed in the making of this film.

But jizzyjim sure got bent.

Personally, I’m morally opposed to the concept of an employer requiring a doctor’s note and I feel the same way about schools requiring them of children, which is why if the question ever comes up, I’ll be a Contentious Objector. The whole smells like a Nanny State.

ETA: Does Fox require Gregg Jarrett or does CNN ask Martin Savage to get doctor’s notes?

Pokerdude777 said:
Doctors writing unethical and illegal letters to people to promote a political agenda while hurting our children is nothing short of pure selfishness that it pathetic and sickening, regardless of which side your are on.

Unless you’re a liberal.

ndanielson said:
So you’re a Lindsey Graham, John McCain kinda republican? Or an 0lympia Snow, Susan Collins type of republican?

I don’t know who side I’m on any more. I’m just not a fan of the Tea Party crap I feel like it’s hurting our party.

Democracy should be transparent and without trickery. This shows that DEMs have very little to do with democracy. Where did they ever earn that name?

truthrose1 said:
Sorry but this story sounds bogus. Union members have great health care. No need to get a phony excuse when u can go to your personal physician and get an excuse. Fox news at it again.Bogus stupid story.

Sounds like somebody never worked at a place represented by the teamsters union.

This is about as outrageous as when Beck sent out that phony memo claiming he was “sick” after he just missed work when he got drunk cuz of his The View interview.

Is the whole thing fishy? Yeah, sorta…but it is the price conscientious objectors must pay when they are striving for a greater good. So I approve of the notes and the brave souls who wrote them. If they must be punished they so be it. Like all good demonstration they sometimes bend the law a little bit. That’s the only way the powers that be will listen.

It was funny when Geraldo called this another Acorn. Everythings another Acorn or another Archduke Ferdinand to the losers at Fox.

____________________________________________
Day 12 since Henny Glenny was struck by an overwhelming feeling that Egypt is the beginning of a growing evil that is going to spread a global Muslim caliphate and with the help of the communists and progressives create a New World Order ending our way of life as we know it.

lucky5 said:
I don’t know who side I’m on any more. I’m just not a fan of the Tea Party crap I feel like it’s hurting our party.

So you’re against fiscal sanity? Ok.

Pablo said:
$100K in compensation for 9 months of work is NOT underpaid.

100K? Sorry we are not talking about the CEOs’ kids’ allowance.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
100K? Sorry we are not talking about the CEOs’ kids’ allowance.

Average compensation for Milwaukee teachers is just over 100k a year, and they work 9 months a year.

lucky5 said:
I’m a real Republican but I don’t like how our party has to bend over backwards for these Tea Party crazies. I wish they would just form their own party and get out of my party. Tea Party are a bunch of lunatics.

Well get use to it, they are taking over the Republican Party just like the Progressives took over the Democrat party…

BFD said:
This is about as outrageous as when Beck sent out that phony memo claiming he was “sick” after he just missed work when he got drunk cuz of his The View interview.

Is the whole thing fishy? Yeah, sorta…but it is the price conscientious objectors must pay when they are striving for a greater good. So I approve of the notes and the brave souls who wrote them. If they must be punished they so be it. Like all good demonstration they sometimes bend the law a little bit. That’s the only way the powers that be will listen.

It was funny when Geraldo called this another Acorn. Everythings another Acorn or another Archduke Ferdinand to the losers at Fox.

____________________________________________
Day 12 since Henny Glenny was struck by an overwhelming feeling that Egypt is the beginning of a growing evil that is going to spread a global Muslim caliphate and with the help of the communists and progressives create a New World Order ending our way of life as we know it.

And, according to Al Gore, the polar ice caps should be gone by January.

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/02/20/tea-party-plan-to-impersonate-union-protesters-even-if-it-becomes-known-that-we-are-plants-the-quotes-pictures-will-linger-as-defacto-truth/

Nacho said:
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/02/20/tea-party-plan-to-impersonate-union-protesters-even-if-it-becomes-known-that-we-are-plants-the-quotes-pictures-will-linger-as-defacto-truth/

You dummies will believe anything, but the truth, huh?

Nacho said:
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/02/20/tea-party-plan-to-impersonate-union-protesters-even-if-it-becomes-known-that-we-are-plants-the-quotes-pictures-will-linger-as-defacto-truth/

Take out the fact there are admittedly kooks on both sides of every single issue, how about the core issue of the article, bogus written excuses for teachers. You bfd and the other “liberal” posters all seem to be in agreement that it’s perfectly ok to lie to get what you want.

That is the bottom line. Lying is fine in your playbook.

timzank said:
Take out the fact there are admittedly kooks on both sides of every single issue, how about the core issue of the article, bogus written excuses for teachers. You bfd and the other “liberal” posters all seem to be in agreement that it’s perfectly ok to lie to get what you want.

That is the bottom line. Lying is fine in your playbook.

Fox News created the playbook of lies.

timzank said:
Lying is fine in your playbook.

You mean like the lie Walker is telling that the reasons the firefighters and policeman are exempt is not political payback? Lies like that?

All politicians lie. Fight fire with fire.
But like I said, if some must be arrested, so be it. It wouldn’t be the first time protesters we arrested for things like blocking traffic or chaining themselves to doorways or not dispersing and having to be carried by away by officers who sometimes injured their backs. That’s what heroes do.

I’m pretty sure the colonists lied about being Mohawk Indians at Boston Harbor.

BFD said:
This is about as outrageous as when Beck sent out that phony memo claiming he was “sick” after he just missed work when he got drunk cuz of his The View interview. Is the whole thing fishy? Yeah, sorta…but it is the price conscientious objectors must pay when they are striving for a greater good. So I approve of the notes and the brave souls who wrote them. If they must be punished they so be it. Like all good demonstration they sometimes bend the law a little bit. That’s the only way the powers that be will listen. It was funny when Geraldo called this another Acorn. Everythings another Acorn or another Archduke Ferdinand to the losers at Fox. ____________________________________________Day 12 since Henny Glenny was struck by an overwhelming feeling that Egypt is the beginning of a growing evil that is going to spread a global Muslim caliphate and with the help of the communists and progressives create a New World Order ending our way of life as we know it.

remember tea party people, BFD said it is OK to bend the law, have fun

The head of Wisconsin Teacher ‘s Union says get back to work .

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/20/wis-union-head-calls-teachers-work/

Public employee unions on the way out .

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/government_worker_unions_the_l.html

Pokerdude777 said:
Doctors writing unethical and illegal letters to people to promote a political agenda while hurting our children is nothing short of pure selfishness that it pathetic and sickening, regardless of which side your are on.

Don’t forget the teachers calling in sick when there isn’t a damned thing wrong with them. This country used to stand for something, but look at what these Leftists who are supposed to be teaching our children are really teaching them. The Teachers and Doctors are teaching the kids that being a morally bankrupt liar is okay, so long as it benefits yourself!

It is fraud and unethical.

So they are giving fraudulent notes to students also?

OxyCon said:
Don’t forget the teachers calling in sick when there isn’t a damned thing wrong with them. This country used to stand for something, but look at what these Leftists who are supposed to be teaching our children are really teaching them. The Teachers and Doctors are teaching the kids that being a morally bankrupt liar is okay, so long as it benefits yourself!

Yeah, and conservatives have moral values.

OxyCon said:
but look at what these Leftists who are supposed to be teaching our children are really teaching them

So, can you prove ALL of those teachers are Leftists?

Latin2 said:
It is fraud and unethical.

So they are giving fraudulent notes to students also?

Bush being elected by the Supreme Court is fraud and conservatives robbing our kids of an education is unethical.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Yeah, and conservatives have moral values.

Figures that someone who is obviously fine being a liar has Obama as his avatar. You could call all the Presidents that have served in my lifetime liars, but Obama seems to really get his rocks off doing it.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Bush being elected by the Supreme Court is fraud and conservatives robbing our kids of an education is unethical.

lol…that was the stupidity of the Left. Many on the Left VOTED FOR NADER taking votes away for Gore. Even I knew that. I was a Liberal than and told my far Left friends NOT to vote for Nader, but they did, and that is how the election was lost. Later I realized that Liberals are insane and traitors to the country.

What gets me is all these RWers claiming all the teachers are Leftists. It doesn’t matter what party you’re in, if someone starts taking away your rights you are going to protest. If not, you don’t have much of a backbone.

timzank said:
Average compensation for Milwaukee teachers is just over 100k a year, and they work 9 months a year.

The average teacher salary in Wisconsin is just over $46,000.

http://teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state

the real john t said:
What gets me is all these RWers claiming all the teachers are Leftists. It doesn’t matter what party you’re in, if someone starts taking away your rights you are going to protest. If not, you don’t have much of a backbone.

Those aren’t “rights” they are “perq’s”. $100k a year, 9 months a year, 8 to 3:30 five days a week. That’s the kind of “oppression” a lotta folks would love to have.

timzank said:
Those aren’t “rights” they are “perq’s”. $100k a year, 9 months a year,

Click on my link I gave above idiot.

the real john t said:
The average teacher salary in Wisconsin is just over $46,000. http://teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state

I said Milwaukee, and it includes benefits. The public isn’t gonna like siding with rich recipients of union greed, especially when the test scores in Milwaukee are among the worst in the nation. Lazy, greedy union members and they are going to lose if not only for the public outcry, at the very least because the money will run out. It always does.

Stupid asses think the money just falls from the sky?

timzank said:
I said Milwaukee, and it includes benefits.

I showed you a link that proves you wrong. Now show me a link that proves me wrong and proves Milwaukee teachers make $100k a year.

the real john t said:
I showed you a link that proves you wrong. Now show me a link that proves me wrong and proves Milwaukee teachers make $100k a year.

I’m going to use the liberal tactic, I don’t believe you or anything say or show me. I am right, you are wrong. I don’t have to provide you with you proof.

I’m gonna play this one just like the libs do.

the real john t said:
I showed you a link that proves you wrong. Now show me a link that proves me wrong and proves Milwaukee teachers make $100k a year.

Get off your” high horse” , “little man ” . LOL .

timzank said:
I don’t believe you or anything say or show me. I am right, you are wrong. I don’t have to provide you with you proof.

In other words you know you are wrong and just pulling shit out of your ass and flinging it around.

timzank said:
I’m going to use the liberal tactic,

I showed you proof. So I guess it’s not a “liberal tactic” it’s a RW tactic. Or just some liar’s tactic.

the real john t said:
In other words you know you are wrong and just pulling shit out of your ass and flinging it around. I showed you proof. So I guess it’s not a “liberal tactic” it’s a RW tactic. Or just some liar’s tactic.

Don’t you just hate it when act like you a$$ hats? heh….

timzank said:
Don’t you just hate it when act like you a$$ hats? heh….

You didn’t act like me. I showed you proof you were wrong and you couldn’t prove you were right. Now who’s the ASS Hat?

the real john t said:
You didn’t act like me. I showed you proof you were wrong and you couldn’t prove you were right. Now who’s the ASS Hat?

I’m gonna put my money on you for continuing the charade , but then I’m a gambler.

George C said:
but then I’m a gambler.

Yeah, I’ll bet you are. You probably don’t know the difference between a full house and a flush. Gambling is where you probably lost your shirt.

the real john t said:
Yeah, I’ll bet you are. You probably don’t know the difference between a full house and a flush. Gambling is where you probably lost your shirt.

LOL . Where’s your baseball ?

the real john t said:
The average teacher salary in Wisconsin is just over $46,000.

http://teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state

There’s much more to compensation than salary, genius.

the real john t said:
The average teacher salary in Wisconsin is just over $46,000.

http://teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state

Average Salary Plus Benefits of “Sick” Teachers at Protest is $77,673

February 17, 2011, Milwaukee, WI– On Thursday, thirteen Wisconsin school districts had to close their doors due to the number of teachers calling in “sick.” In fact, many of the “sick” teachers showed up in Madison today to protest the Budget Repair Bill. At issue are their salaries and pension plans.

According to data from the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction, the average teacher’s salaries and average fringe benefits appear to be very generous given the recent economic downturn. Media Trackers has compiled the information below for the school districts that were forced to close on Thursday.

Columbus School District $72,460

De Forest School District $69,201

Eau Claire School District $80,198

Edgarton School District $75,061

La Crosse School District $83,364

Madison Metropolitan School District $75,558

Mosinee School District $80,746

Oregon School District $66,942

Racine School District $88,453

Stoughton School District $72,830

Verona School District $77,214

Watertown School District $82,244

Wausau School District $85,478

Average Salary and Benefits for School Districts Closed On Thursday $77,673
http://mediatrackers.org/2011/02/average-salary-of-sick-teachers-at-protest-is/

Salary expenditure on all teachers: $3,571,389,694
Benefits expenditures for teachers: $1,719,827,769

The average Wisconsin teacher salary in 2009-2010 was $52,644, not including benefits. Benefits: health insurance and retirement plans.
http://www.teacher-world.com/statespages/Wisconsin.html

Pablo said:
#

There’s much more to compensation than salary, genius.

So tell us the wonderful benefits teachers receive to bump up the number to six figures. 100k is an inflated number, you conservatives love making the hard working middle class the enemy.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
So tell us the wonderful benefits teachers receive to bump up the number to six figures. 100k is an inflated number, you conservatives love making the hard working middle class the enemy.

WI:
Salary expenditure on all teachers: $3,571,389,694
Benefits expenditures for teachers: $1,719,827,769

they’re getting something with that $1.7B

sarainitaly said:
The average Wisconsin teacher salary in 2009-2010 was $52,644, not including benefits. Benefits: health insurance and retirement plans.
http://www.teacher-world.com/statespages/Wisconsin.html

I would love to see the health care plan teachers receive. I am sure it’s worth so much money. I am sure they included the lifetime cap and preexisting conditions before Obamacare. You know the components of a death panel you conservatives are fighting so hard for, LOL.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
So tell us the wonderful benefits teachers receive to bump up the number to six figures. 100k is an inflated number, you conservatives love making the hard working middle class the enemy.

Why don’t you finish telling us how underpaid they are?

You conservatives are right, the hard working middle class is the enemy not the rich corporations who ship middle class jobs overseas.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
You conservatives are right, the hard working middle class is the enemy not the rich corporations who ship middle class jobs overseas.

No, it’s the filthy taxpayer that’s the enemy, right? What do corporations have to do with this?

Pablo said:
Why don’t you finish telling us how underpaid they are?

Still waiting for those great benefits, do they include offshore accounts so they do not have to pay taxes?

Pablo said:
No, it’s the filthy taxpayer that’s the enemy, right? What do corporations have to do with this?

You are quick to attack the middle class but not the corporations who are in the wrong. Corporations and unions, they have a long history.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
So tell us the wonderful benefits teachers receive to bump up the number to six figures. 100k is an inflated number, you conservatives love making the hard working middle class the enemy.

Are you dim? Pension contributions & cadillac insurance plans plus the fat salary. Good luck getting sympathy for them.

No outrage with Corporations but how dare the middle class assemble to voice an opinion.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
You conservatives are right, the hard working middle class is the enemy not the rich corporations who ship middle class jobs overseas.

The unions got the jobs shipped overseas with outrageous labor & benefit costs. You really are dim.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
No outrage with Corporations but how dare the middle class assemble to voice an opinion.

$100k a year for 9 months a year and a workday from 8 to 3:30 sure as hell ain’t middle class pal.

Pablo said:
Global warming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo8wNleZjzo

I’m glad I don’t live in Portland.

…and don’t forget to watch the sequel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahhKMzdzQ30

timzank said:
Are you dim? Pension contributions & cadillac insurance plans plus the fat salary. Good luck getting sympathy for them.

Oh yeah, I know, teachers and their yachts. Do not forget the country clubs.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Oh yeah, I know, teachers and their yachts. Do not forget the country clubs.

It’s mostly speedboats and lake cottages.

timzank said:
The unions got the jobs shipped overseas with outrageous labor & benefit costs. You really are dim.

Yes a fair wage is an outrages demand. Good thing, kids work for so much less in China.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Yes a fair wage is an outrages demand. Good thing, kids work for so much less in China.

outrageous

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Yes a fair wage is an outrages demand. Good thing, kids work for so much less in China.

If the wages had been fair, they’d still be here Einstein. They wer exhorbidant, hence they are gone.

Ship middle class jobs overseas for cheap labor and attack the middle class for wanting a fair shake in life.
http://www1.american.edu/TED/nike.htm

sarainitaly said:
Average Salary Plus Benefits of “Sick” Teachers at Protest is $77,673

Maybe you should read the link you gave more closely, and click on the link they gave. It was for supervisory jobs in the schools and not for teachers. But I guess you believe the first thing you read. Plus, why are you so worried about teachers health care since you live in a country where health care is free? Can you say HYPOCRITE?

timzank said:
If the wages had been fair, they’d still be here Einstein. They wer exhorbidant, hence they are gone.

You mean the fair wages corporations pay to our overseas counterparts?

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Ship middle class jobs overseas for cheap labor and attack the middle class for wanting a fair shake in life.http://www1.american.edu/TED/nike.htm

Link to all the crazy sh*t you want and take another class junior. I’ve lived it.

Lets not fight but stand together to build bigger and better unions across the nation.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Lets not fight but stand together to build bigger and better unions across the nation.

There will be no unions eventually because (as has been so painfully obvious) the money will run out. Ever hear of a place called Greece?

timzank said:
Link to all the crazy sh*t you want and take another class junior. I’ve lived it.

To bad those kids will not be able to take a junior class. You lived it? And only to fight for the rights of corporations who give unfair wages to your people.

timzank said:
I’ve lived it.

Yeah, in your parents basement.

Seriously, with all the labor laws in place, what possible reason is there for a union other than to extort dues from it’s members and hand over to Democrats?

the real john t said:
Yeah, in your parents basement.

I am a liberal, I fight for the hard working middle class.

the real john t said:
Yeah, in your parents basement.

never had a real job have you?

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
I am a liberal, I fight for the hard working middle class.

The $100k a year middle class. Wow you are a real hero.

timzank said:
The $100k a year middle class. Wow you are a real hero.

100k is an inflated number.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
To bad those kids will not be able to take a junior class. You lived it? And only to fight for the rights of corporations who give unfair wages to your people.

Why aren’t you living in Cuba?

timzank said:
There will be no unions eventually because

I guess you don’t know much about unions except you hate them. Without unions there wouldn’t be a 40hr work week, there wouldn’t be child labor laws. There wouldn’t be the Davis Bacon Act that insures anyone working on a federal funded job got prevailing wage, union or non-union. Like I said, you don’t know a damn thing about unions except you hate them. You are one sorry individual.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
100k is an inflated number.

sorry, 99,500…better? heh

unions were formed to earn protections for people, now they are used to protect rich members so they can buy more bass boats.

COMRADES!!! Workers of the world unite!

timzank said:
Why aren’t you living in Cuba?

Too busy fighting for the rights of hard working Americans (i.e. teachers).

timzank said:
never had a real job have you?

I’m retired from the Ironworkers Union, a job you wouldn’t be able to do for 10mins.

the real john t said:
I guess you don’t know much about unions except you hate them. Without unions there wouldn’t be a 40hr work week, there wouldn’t be child labor laws. There wouldn’t be the Davis Bacon Act that insures anyone working on a federal funded job got prevailing wage, union or non-union. Like I said, you don’t know a damn thing about unions except you hate them. You are one sorry individual.

Those things you mention have been achieved and are LAW. Unions are no longer necessary. Just because they once served a purpose is no reason to think they do do now. This is 2011. The only purpose they serve now is to be a collection arm for the democrats.

the real john t said:
Plus, why are you so worried about teachers health care since you live in a country where health care is free? Can you say HYPOCRITE?

Why are you so worried about where a poster lives and how she gets healthcare? Can you say OBSESSED?

the real john t said:
I’m retired from the Ironworkers Union, a job you wouldn’t be able to do for 10mins.

Yeah, right.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Too busy fighting for the rights of hard working Americans (i.e. teachers).

You are fighting for the democrats, period. We have labor laws, unions are no longer necessary.

timzank said:
Yeah, right.

Just what occupation are you in?

Help! Help! I’m being repressed!

the real john t said:
Just what occupation are you in?

residential building & real estate

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Still waiting for those great benefits, do they include offshore accounts so they do not have to pay taxes?

Ask the nice lady with the numbers.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
You are quick to attack the middle class but not the corporations who are in the wrong.

What do corporations have to do with this? We’re talking about government employees.

Corporations and unions, they have a long history.

They sure do. But that’s not really relevant here.

timzank said:
residential building & real estate

HAHAHAHAHA!!! In other words you work for a non-union builder for about $10 to $12 an hour with no benefits. You poor schmuck.

the real john t said:
HAHAHAHAHA!!! In other words you work for a non-union builder for about $10 to $12 an hour with no benefits. You poor schmuck.

I shoulda been a teacher.

timzank said:
I shoulda been a teacher.

But the problem is, you weren’t smart enough.

the real john t said:
But the problem is, you weren’t smart enough.

But he doesn’t forget which role he is playing , does he ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !

Pablo said:
#

They sure do. But that’s not really relevant here.

Sure they do, weaken the union strengthen the corporation.

Pablo said:
What do corporations have to do with this? We’re talking about government employees.

See responds from above.

Ask the nice lady with the numbers.

They are college educated, so yes their salary will be more. That’s why Americans go to college so they can earn more money. She does not explain the wonderful benefits they receive. I am betting the free country club membership teachers receive each year.

the real john t said:
But the problem is, you weren’t smart enough.

Gee, I guess not. Sorry kids but I gotta get some sleep. I actually work for living tomorrow morning, I don’t have the luxury of living off of other peoples money after sitting on my ass in a union hall all day.

AMF.

I shoulda been a teacher.

My Dad was a teacher. He never made this kind of money teaching. He always had something else going on, either another job or running a business. Were he still here, he’d be disgusted with this nonsense. My retired union nurse mother is similarly disgusted with the fake doctor notes.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
They are college educated, so yes their salary will be more. That’s why Americans go to college so they can earn more money. She does not explain the wonderful benefits they receive. I am betting the free country club membership teachers receive each year.

Wait, so now you’re quietly conceding that the average salary is $100K, and you’re moving right on to telling me how fine that is without even acknowledging your wrongness on the subject? And you’ve decided that unless someone does the homework you should be doing and finds the breakdown of the package for you, that you must be right?

Yep. You’re a liberal.

Pablo said:
Wait, so now you’re quietly conceding that the average salary is $100K,

The average salary is not $100k.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
You are quick to attack the middle class but not the corporations who are in the wrong. Corporations and unions, they have a long history.

I agree with you that corporations are hurting the middle class. But here we’re talking about union workers vs. non-union workers. The average non-union middle class and working class do not have the benefits these union workers think of as their rights. We’ve had to make do with less and cut back in these hard economic times. The union workers can stand to cut back as well. I’m sorry but that’s what you have to do in hard times.

Pablo said:
Wait, so now you’re quietly conceding that the average salary is $100K

100k? She did not explain how teachers receive so many benefits that their salary goes up to 100k. I was talking about their average salary being higher. Only wrongness of the subject is the 100k without explaining the wonderful benefits teachers receive. Typical conservative, there is always a problem with the middle class.

Powerslave said:
I agree with you that corporations are hurting the middle class. But here we’re talking about union workers vs. non-union workers. The average non-union middle class and working class do not have the benefits these union workers think of as their rights. We’ve had to make do with less and cut back in these hard economic times. The union workers can stand to cut back as well. I’m sorry but that’s what you have to do in hard times.

Sounds reasonable.

the real john t said:
The average salary is not $100k.

According to sarainitaly’s link, it appears the average is not $100k but also, when you include benefits, is more than $45k (As usual the truth lies in between at $77k). This is still damn good compensation when compared with us non-union workers who have had to make do with much less during this recession. (And be happy we still have jobs).

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Sounds reasonable.

Let’s just hope the two parties can work together and figure a way out of this mess. We’re all in the same boat.

the real john t said:
The average salary is not $100k.

Right. Average compensation, not salary. My bad.

Powerslave said:
I agree with you that corporations are hurting the middle class.

If not for corporations, there’d be no middle class.

Powerslave said:
According to sarainitaly’s link, it appears the average is not $100k but also, when you include benefits, is more than $45k

If you would have read sarah’s link and then linked onto the link they gave you could have seen they were talking about supervisory positions and not teachers salaries.

the real john t said:
HAHAHAHAHA!!! In other words you work for a non-union builder for about $10 to $12 an hour with no benefits. You poor schmuck.

You think this is funny? I guess you’re not interested in the average American worker or how we struggle only to be laughed at by union workers who throw tantrums when asked to suffer a little with the rest of us.

Pablo said:
If not for corporations, there’d be no middle class.

If not for the middle class, there’d be no millionaires and billionaires.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
100k? She did not explain how teachers receive so many benefits that their salary goes up to 100k.

But she stated the average salary figure and the average cost of compensation figure. You want the how? Go look it up. It’s public information. Start in Madison, it will be easier that way.

I was talking about their average salary being higher.

That’s what you were doing when you said this?

So tell us the wonderful benefits teachers receive to bump up the number to six figures. 100k is an inflated number, you conservatives love making the hard working middle class the enemy.

That’s weird.

Only wrongness of the subject is the 100k without explaining the wonderful benefits teachers receive.

Pension, healthcare, sick days, etc… You want specifics? Go. Look. Them. Up.

Typical conservative, there is always a problem with the middle class.

I am the middle class. And I don’t get paid to protest.

Breitbart is fantastic: Breitbart: America will be community organized no more!

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
If not for the middle class, there’d be no millionaires and billionaires.

You’ve never heard of Kings? Are you at all familiar with Feudalism? Do you know ANYTHING about history, aside from the “fact” that America was founded by fat cat racists?

China has factories that are really more like communes, but with a rather odd feature; suicide nets around the tall buildings. I wonder if that’s the Chinese middle class building your iPads.

Pablo said:
But she stated the average salary figure and the average cost of compensation figure. You want the how? Go look it up. It’s public information. Start in Madison, it will be easier that way.

Inflated numbers, 100k. I am sure you can inflate many more hard working Americans pay with compensation. If it is so easy to find I guess you will have a link. You do not have a link because you know the 100k is bull.

Pablo said:
I am the middle class. And I don’t get paid to protest.

LOL, fighting against your own interest. Another chicken voting for Col. Sanders.

Powerslave said:
You think this is funny?

No, I don’t think it’s funny. But I also don’t think it’s funny when all someone can do is bitch and complain about unions when they had a major part in setting the labor laws in this country. In case the only show you watch is Fox you might want to watch something else. The teachers and all the other unions agreed they would pay more towards their healthcare and pension. But collective bargaining is off the table. The governor of WI just wants to bust the unions, that is all he wants to do.

Pablo said:
You’ve never heard of Kings? Are you at all familiar with Feudalism? Do you know ANYTHING about history, aside from the “fact” that America was founded by fat cat racists?

China has factories that are really more like communes, but with a rather odd feature; suicide nets around the tall buildings. I wonder if that’s the Chinese middle class building your iPads.

??? Your millionaires and billionaires do not turn wrenches by themselves. Hard work from the middle class makes a company successful. Kings? Have workers right? Yeah ipads Americans could be making here in the United States. Factories closed down and moved overseas.

That’s a a nice recitation of the major talking points , * clap , clap * .

George C said:
That’s a a nice recitation of the major talking points , * clap , clap * .

Yet you can’t dispute any of them, all you can do is make juvenile comments.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Inflated numbers, 100k. I am sure you can inflate many more hard working Americans pay with compensation. If it is so easy to find I guess you will have a link.

Look, employees each cost employers a certain amount of money. Salary and benefits are quantifiable. I gave you a link to testimony from Deb Wegner, Manager of Financial Planning for the Milwaukee Public School System
explaining that the average teacher salary is $56K and the average total compensation is $105K.

What’s your problem again? What don’t you understand here? The only thing I see here that’s inflated is your estimation of your grasp of the facts.

the real john t said:
Yet you can’t dispute any of them, all you can do is make juvenile comments

Like ……..little man ?

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
??? Your millionaires and billionaires do not turn wrenches by themselves. Hard work from the middle class makes a company successful. Kings? Have workers right? Yeah ipads Americans could be making here in the United States. Factories closed down and moved overseas.

This does a really lousy job of defending your argument that there wouldn’t be really rich people without a middle class. The workers rights thing is very new, historically speaking. There have been many, many instances in human history in which you had the rich and the poor and very little in between.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
LOL, fighting against your own interest. Another chicken voting for Col. Sanders.

No. An American voting for Liberty, and not for whatever I can steal from those who’ve done better than me.

I don’t know. I find it hard to have sympathy for the teachers when they can strike any damned time they want, and even when they can’t, they can find a political shortcut to get around it, and then manipulate their students to do what they want them to.

Especially when you’re asking people who make less total compensation than you to pay higher taxes in order to fund your pension and healthcare. I make less than 1/3 of what the average teacher makes, and I’m not willing to give up even MORE of that so they can keep their sweet retirement deal. If my taxes go up, I won’t be able to afford my apartment anymore, and I’m already living in the cheapest complex within an hour radius of where I work. Mind you, I’m not in Wisconsin, but the teacher’s unions are insanely powerful in my state, too.

………There’s some concern that some of those doctors may be putting themselves in jeopardy because they are writing notes for teachers who obviously aren’t sick.” ……..
There is a consistent liberal left theme that healthy society must resist. Medical fraud, Looting by unions, and the teachers instructing sudents by example to perpetuate all this defraud. Liberals need to be defeated and hopefully before we emulate Greece.

Pablo said:
This does a really lousy job of defending your argument that there wouldn’t be really rich people without a middle class. The workers rights thing is very new, historically speaking. There have been many, many instances in human history in which you had the rich and the poor and very little in between.

Yeah, you are right I didn’t include the working poor. I would add their inflated benefits to their salary but your corporations will not give them a fair wage.

Pablo said:
No. An American voting for Liberty, and not for whatever I can steal from those who’ve done better than me.

Oh, steal? Yeah paying a fair wage to the poor and middle class is stealing. I am sure they made it the top with clean hands. You sure are okay with stealing from the hard working poor and middle class. You have no problem with corporations sending jobs overseas.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Yeah, you are right I didn’t include the working poor. I would add their inflated benefits to their salary but your corporations will not give them a fair wage.

And your argument is still ahistorical nonsense.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Oh, steal? Yeah paying a fair wage to the poor and middle class is stealing.

$100K in compensation for 8 months of work is a hell of a lot more than fair.

You sure are okay with stealing from the hard working poor and middle class.

Where’d you get that asinine idea? Who’s stealing from them?

the real john t said:
But I also don’t think it’s funny when all someone can do is bitch and complain about unions when they had a major part in setting the labor laws in this country.

And what exactly did PUBLIC employee unions have to do with any of that?

If you’re going to salute every entity with the word “union” in it, you’ll be honoring the Soviet Union as well.

Fox doesn’t call it fraud, America does, as well as the legal system and the AMA I am sure. If that’s helping out, what is medicare fraud called….

the real john t said:
Plus, why are you so worried about teachers health care since you live in a country where health care is free? Can you say HYPOCRITE?

where did i say i was worried about it? i believe i am discussing it.

you libbies are so funny with your *free healthcare*.
who do you think PAYS for the healthcare in Italy?

the real john t said:
Maybe you should read the link you gave more closely, and click on the link they gave. It was for supervisory jobs in the schools and not for teachers

WRONG. Click on 2010 under the heading Teachers. You see the salaries plus benefits.

From the report:

About the Data

Position Analysis Summary – Teachers
Reporting Year: 2009-2010 school year
Point in Time Collection: Third Friday in September
Collection Instrument: PI-1202 Fall Staff Report
Data Pulled: August 19, 2010

me thinks it is you who needs to read more closely.

the real john t said:
If you would have read sarah’s link and then linked onto the link they gave you could have seen they were talking about supervisory positions and not teachers salaries.

wrong.

Another activist video from BigGovernment and no one seems to want to investigate. Our media, right or left, are not to be trusted.

the real john t said:
No, I don’t think it’s funny. But I also don’t think it’s funny when all someone can do is bitch and complain about unions when they had a major part in setting the labor laws in this country. In case the only show you watch is Fox you might want to watch something else. The teachers and all the other unions agreed they would pay more towards their healthcare and pension. But collective bargaining is off the table. The governor of WI just wants to bust the unions, that is all he wants to do.

I get my news from multiple sources including Fox and MSNBC. I don’t just bitch about unions all the time. And if you don’t want to come across as making fun of non-union workers then you may not want to say things like this:

the real john t said:
HAHAHAHAHA!!! In other words you work for a non-union builder for about $10 to $12 an hour with no benefits. You poor schmuck.

After rereading your comment I find it hard to believe that you don’t think it’s funny.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
100k? She did not explain how teachers receive so many benefits that their salary goes up to 100k. I was talking about their average salary being higher. Only wrongness of the subject is the 100k without explaining the wonderful benefits teachers receive. Typical conservative, there is always a problem with the middle class.

I never claimed they made $100k. I am pointing out what they actually make, and the amount Wisconsin spends on salaries AND the amount they spend in benefits.

Salary expenditure on all teachers: $3,571,389,694
Benefits expenditures for teachers: $1,719,827,769

If a state is spending $3.5B on salaries, and half of that ($1.7B) on benefits, then can we make an assumption that teachers on average receive their salary, and then an additional half of their salary in benefits? (the answer is yes, based on the info here: http://dpi.wi.gov/lbstat/newasr.html)

So, whatever the salary is, you can assume they receive an additional ~half of that in added benefits.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
I would love to see the health care plan teachers receive. I am sure it’s worth so much money. I am sure they included the lifetime cap and preexisting conditions before Obamacare. You know the components of a death panel you conservatives are fighting so hard for, LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/user/MacIverInstitute#p/u/2/9x2N4bDmzdc

and as i said, according to the links above, you can assume teachers receive about half of their salary in benefits.

I don’t know why we need unions – the corporations will take care of us. This kind of civil disobedience is bad for people Get rid of these unions and all the rest of them and we will be better off.

peregrina said:
I don’t know why we need unions – the corporations will take care of us. This kind of civil disobedience is bad for people Get rid of these unions and all the rest of them and we will be better off.

No need for blanket statements (whether you mean it or not, wink wink). No one’s foolish enough to believe corporations are going to take care of all of us. But to say there are no good non-union shops to work for is also a false blanket statement. I’ve worked for good bosses and owners who truly wanted to help their workers. But to think that anyone is going to “take care of us” is foolish. LIfe is hard, you need to take care of yourself.

Powerslave said:
No need for blanket statements (whether you mean it or not, wink wink). No one’s foolish enough to believe corporations are going to take care of all of us. But to say there are no good non-union shops to work for is also a false blanket statement. I’ve worked for good bosses and owners who truly wanted to help their workers. But to think that anyone is going to “take care of us” is foolish. LIfe is hard, you need to take care of yourself.

That being said, it’s also foolish to think the government is going to take care of all of us.

ChickaBOOMer: Do Harm Physicians Heal Thyselves
http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2011/02/suspend-or-revoke-wisconsin-docs.html

“Helping out”???? at who’s expense…THE TAXPAYERS ! let them take their day off UNPAID to demonstrate…no freeloaders anymore, got it Democrats???

Democrats are so morally bankrupt. They don’t recognize fraud and lying when it is front of their noses. Its the union bosses who are so worried about losing $600 to $800 per public employee that are orchestrating these demonstrations – with Obama’s organizing for America.

Obama doesn’t understand state’s rights – sue Arizona, and shout-down Wisconsin.

Wonder what else these Doctors are fraduently telling their patients!

It’s SCARY!

Bot said:
Democrats are so morally bankrupt. They don’t recognize fraud and lying when it is front of their noses. Its the union bosses who are so worried about losing $600 to $800 per public employee that are orchestrating these demonstrations – with Obama’s organizing for America.

Obama doesn’t understand state’s rights – sue Arizona, and shout-down Wisconsin.

Yes.

But see, it’s not that they don’t “recognize fraud and lying”, it’s that their belief system precludes them from caring about it. Their belief system is not normal.

Normal people work towards making things better and finding success. Modern Liberals/Progressives don’t think like this. Their imperative is to force everything to be “equal.” So when we are trying to make things better, they do berserk.

In their minds, if everything was “equal”, all of our societal problems will go away. No more arguing. No more fighting. No more war. No more poverty. No more injustices. It’s Utopian.

This is how they think and nothing will get in the way of this thinking. So strong is this belief system that they will lie, cheat, etc. to get their way.

But their ideas can never work. First, before anything else, in order to force everything to be “equal”, they have to treat people unequally. It can never work as it just creates tension.

BUT, to them, all of the pain that their ideas create are ACCEPTABLE. Think about the inner cities. These places have been utterly controlled by these liberals for 50 years and about all we can say is that there is a lot of hopelessness, despair and death. We can also say the Modern Liberals/Progressives have not and will not adapt to help the people.

So yes, they are morally bankrupt. it’s because they don’t use the same belief system and theirs always ends up hurting people over time.

More and more people are figuring this out. We just need to keep working at undermining them by telling the truth. They can’t handle the truth.

Does anyone believe the DOJ will go after these criminal doctors? Of course not!! Not when their doing Obimbo’s bidding. After all, Obimbo’s DOJ only supports and enforces law they deem worthy enough for their cause.

CAconservative said:
Does anyone believe the DOJ will go after these criminal doctors? Of course not!! Not when their doing Obimbo’s bidding. After all, Obimbo’s DOJ only supports and enforces law they deem worthy enough for their cause.

Holder is a criminal himself and protects the Black Panthers in Philly when they threaten voters with guns. He’s too busy looking for right-wing militias in the deep forest when the left-wing criminals are invading and infesting the WI State Capitol.