Glenn Beck In Harlem: “Time To Be Heard” Special Spotlights Black Conservatives


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Picture 1Last night, Glenn Beck hosted a special entitled “Time To Be Heard,” highlighting the struggles of black conservatives in America. Inspired by a former guest, Charles Payne, who grew up in the Harlem section of New York City, Beck’s five-part Friday show was devoted to detailing the political views of those not willing to give President Obama a “free pass” within the black community.

But, of course, Beck is speaking to a larger issue — one he puts on hold until after his pilgrimage, with Payne, to Harlem. In the first clip, Payne speaks about being beaten up for “talking white” and wanting a briefcase and calculator for Christmas, only to have his things destroyed. Rapping or being a professional athlete are not the only ways out of a struggling community for a black child, he stresses reasonably. It’s about education, he says.

“Did you vote for Obama?” Beck asks. “I did it mostly out of a sense of obligation,” he said, before noting his disappointment. ”The president’s getting a free pass within the black community on so many things,” Payne says.

And just like that, a cut back to the studio reveals Beck and a room full of black conservatives, all clad in dress clothes, ready to make his larger point. This set-up is a particularly interesting development in light of Beck’s criticisms the previous night that the soldiers surround Obama during his speech were “props.” Is this any different?

Whatever the case, Beck continues: “I’m puzzled not just by your life experiences,” Beck tells Payne. “I think this is happening to all of America. We’re being told now you can’t make it and somebody’s got to be there to help equalizie everything. I think we’re headed toward really dangerous territory.”

From there, the conversation devolves into talk of socialism, naturally, cloaked in claims about fighting for “the right to carry a briefcase” and not be a rapper.

But the Obama conversation is the most compelling, and in some ways, twisted. In a deft rhetorical move, Beck concedes that should the roles have been reversed, and he were watching the first white presidential candidate, even if he disagreed politically, he would want him to win just to break that barrier. While ostensibly this sounds vaguely pro-Obama, he is also insinuating that many black votes for Obama were based only in race, against one’s own politics.

You have to hand it to Beck — he’s never shy when it comes to tackling thorny issues and this one’s chock full of them. Check out the clips below:






We’re still waiting on Fox to post the video for parts 4 and 5. This post will be updated as soon as they become available.

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36 comments

  • TfT TfT says:

    I watched part of this show and thought it was very good and I applaud Beck for doing it. I don’t think your take on “twisted” and “insinuated” is fair at all. Payne admitted he voted for Obama because he was Black — out of a sense of obligation to Rosa Parks (and others). It is my opinion that Powell did the same thing, but was dishonest about it..

    None-the-less it was a good show and I expect that Beck will get positive feedback and there will be more of these. Beck seems to do this live audience thing once every month or two. Good for him.

  • mjwilstein mjwilstein says:

    Here’s one short clip from the special that I think highlights how ridiculous it is:
    http://bit.ly/4danz

  • sarainitaly sarainitaly says:

    i saw the three parts available online and thought it was a great show. i wish it were longer.

    I disagree with the post here, and feel the analysis of the conversation completely misses the mark. It appears to be more of an attempt to once again slam Beck then to honestly analyze the conversation.

    “All dressed in dress clothes?” Are you kidding with this statement?

    Props? Are you kidding? They were there for a town hall discussion… that is a far cry from a prop.

    ” cloaked in claims about fighting for “the right to carry a briefcase” and not be a rapper.” that’s really all you got out of this?

    “But the Obama conversation is the most compelling, and in some ways, twisted.” You don’t think it is normal to feel a sense of pride or obligation to vote for Obama by some AA’s, and Beck was relating that sense of understanding? You didn’t hear some of the people in that panel admit that they voted for Obama because of his race, and not because of his politics?

    Perhaps you should watch this show again….

  • SFPhoto SFPhoto says:

    Joe Coscarelli, I just watched the three parts and I don’t understand what you’re kvetching about. Since you see the world through the lens of MSNBC, I suggest you save yourself any more grief and stop watching Glenn Beck.

  • ImNotBlue ImNotBlue says:

    This set-up is a particularly interesting development in light of Beck’s criticisms the previous night that the soldiers surround Obama during his speech were “props.” Is this any different?

    I don’t understand what is so hard about this… I’ll try math this time:

    Beck = Entertainer
    Obama = Elected President

    Entertainer ≠ Elected President

    GET IT?!

  • libra blue libra blue says:

    I am not a Beck fan, most of the time I think he is clownish, but once in a while he does a show that surprises and impresses me and this was one of them. I watched the entire show and I thought it was excellent, I hope Beck does more of them. It is refreshing to hear members of the black community that CNN and MSNBC ignore.

    It is too bad that Mediaite chose a left wing Obama lap dog to write this piece. His “review” was totally worthless, except to the other Obama Kool-Aid drinkers out there.

    I agree with sarainitaly, that comment about “all dressed in dress clothes” was totally ridiculous! I guess these types of left wingers think that genuine blacks are stereotypes dressed like pimps and whores complete with face piercings and oversized bling bling as big as their heads.

    And more shockingly, they spoke proper English! I didn’t even need a translator to understand what they were saying like I do when I listen to Roland Martin, Marc Lamont, Rev. Wright, and the rest of the Obama bunch.

    “While ostensibly this sounds vaguely pro-Obama, he is also insinuating that many black votes for Obama were based only in race, against one’s own politics.”

    Is that so difficult to believe? I am sure Coscarelli would not have any trouble believing that whites voted against Obama for the same reason.

    I have one question for Mediaite, Why do you think it is acceptable to stereotype and make derogatory remarks about conservative blacks, when you wouldn’t dare do it to the liberal bunch?

    I think you are doing a diservice to your readers by failing to give this show a fair unbiased appraisal. I guess Mediaite is not as respectable as I thought it was.

  • libra blue libra blue says:

    Correction: disservice.

  • TfT TfT says:

    I agree libra, it is a disservice. Furthermore, the “props” remark was also taken completely out of context — Beck made it clear he was talking about ALL politicians using folks as props during their campaigning, which is what Obama was doing in Alaska (it is all he does). Today, we see headlined on several sites, yet another picture of Obama BOWING to royalty (just like he did to the Saudi King, that was ignored by the media claiming the bow was not a bow at all).

    This site is obsessed with dissing Beck and I think SFPhoto is right, this site “sees the world through the lens of MSNBC”, and the truth is MSNBC would NEVER put forth a program of this caliber, where black conservatives are given a voice. So we have an article that not only disses Beck, but the conservatives who participated in this show as well. It’s just what they do here.

  • I think you’re all being unfairly critical here, and I can whole-heartedly say Joe is fair in his writing, as he most certainly is here as well.

    While Beck’s show was interesting, and was the type of program you’re not likely to see anywhere else (as Beck’s program often is), the fact that it was set up to come from a one-sided perspective should not be lost. This was not about African Americans – it was about African American conservatives. A group that, as Beck jokes, “doesn’t exist” to some in the media, to be sure.

    This wasn’t “fair and balanced” – Beck doesn’t have to be – this was a case of almost an entire hour of Obama-bashing, albeit from a new, unique perspective. I think many in the military and in Republican circles would find Beck’s criticism of the “props” of the Army personnel to be offensive, as some might find that question here as well. But it’s a question that can fairly be asked of Beck after he asked the same of a separate situation.

    Joe does not diminish the importance of this program. Could it have been helped to have a roomful of African Americans with, I don’t know, fair and balanced views for an actual serious discussion? I think so. But who knows – maybe Beck has something up his sleeve next week. I wouldn’t be surprised.

    When people like Libra Blue make undoubtedly racial comments (racial – not racist) about how you “need a translator” to listen to liberal African Americans, you undercut your own argument about what is “acceptable” ways to stereotype. And people like SFPhoto, whose comments are consistently irrational, if you think Mediaite sees this site “sees the world through the lens of MSNBC”, you clearly are simply choosing to avoid reading the large portions of this site you’d find yourself in agreement with (like, for example, the lead story all night last night about MSNBC’s marginalization of Palin). The problem with ideologues like those in this comment section (and not, in should be noted, like the often fair and thoughtful Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly and others), is you see something vaguely negative about ‘your side’ and you go on the attack, instead of thinking about issues in broader ways. It’s the same on the far left and far right.

    We appreciate you voicing your opinions in our comments section, but I would ask those who come here from all sides to realize what is happening – we’re not Media Matters, we’re not Newsbusters. We have columnists ranging from hard right to hard left. We go after MSNBC and FNC, when warranted. We call them all out, present a wide range of views, interview all sides and do so fairly.

  • Chris Chris says:

    I am a black conservative who had a friend who actually travelled up there from Va. b/c they didn’t have anyone to fill the seats. My firend admitted all he really wanted to do was be on TV and have a voice–he doesn’t like Beck at all.
    Beck is not of the conservatives I grew up admiring. He is a showman, a fraud, a demagogue. Even when you look at the comments on this site supporting him, they are tinged with whacky hatred, not calm policy debate. Which is why outside the studio, no one cared. No black people spoke about it; no one debated, no one asked. And no one’s giving Obama a pass. What they are doing is discussing topics, offering support or resistance (w/alternatives, not vitriol and lunacy) on issues of our survival, from economic matters to values that contribute to anti social tendecies. But we aren’t attacking each other, contrary to belief.
    But does thay mean we are kow-towing to Obama? In the bizarre world of this character and the sickness he’s motivates, it is. It is tantamount to traitorism. Pls. step back and listen to yourselves. You sound like the fundamentalists mullahs you despise. We won’t be sucked into this.

  • ImNotBlue ImNotBlue says:

    Steve Krakauer says:
    November 14, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    We have columnists ranging from hard right to hard left.

    So, here’s my question to you, Steve, because you’re a pretty fair guy (IMO)… can you provide a list of where each person stands? From my perspective, I see one guy who’s on the right (maybe far right, too few articles to comment on), a few in the middle, and then a whole bunch on the left and far left. Of the regular posters (not columnists), almost all seem to be left of center, sans one or two. So who stands where? Is the common impression around here wrong? And if so, who’s where, so we know in the future?

    I’ve pointed out a number of times when “stories” which are heavily biased don’t get files in the “columnists” category, and IMO that looks like someone’s trying to pass off opinion as fact. If someone is coming from a certain perspective, that’s find and all… but be honest about it. At least then the argument isn’t, “You’re biased,” but “I disagree with you.” You can only debate content and ideas, when the debaters are honest about their opinions.

  • WaterLoo WaterLoo says:

    I interpret this WHOLE show as saying; step back, understand who you are, what you believe, where you envision our future, then choose a party/candidate whom embodies your values be it Republican, Democratic, or Independent. How might Joe Coscarelli interpret it? Pick one or two sentences from the show, take them out of context, and project it to the rest of the interview. Why???

  • tjl tjl says:

    Excellent points, Steve…

    I’ve find this site to be nothing but fair. No one complains when you guys attack MSNBC and even get taken to task by Keith Olbermann. But god forbid it’s a FNC personality…

    And why is it always — “let us know what side the writer is on ahead of time.” Does it matter? Do you only get your news from Fox News because you know “where they stand?” Would you not read the columns, ImNot, if you knew that Joe was from the “far left”? That in itself is baseless. If Joe is from the far left and writes a column about Obama being a socialist would that suit your needs or would you disregard that too because of where he stands politically? It makes no sense to me. It’s quite obvious what Beck was trying to do last night. And as Steve noted, if you can show me where Beck was “fair and balanced” I would love to know.

    Keep up the great work, Joe. And don’t worry, my political leanings are to the left and I promise you I won’t chastise you should you dissect Olbermann or Maddow’s biased opinions. I prefer my news to be non-partisan. From there I will make up my own mind, thank you.

  • zombietimeshare zombietimeshare says:

    ” a room full of black conservatives, all clad in dress clothes,” My, how condescendingly racist. You mean they weren’t dressed authentically black?

  • TfT TfT says:

    Steve, as you say Beck doesn’t have to be fair and balanced. This show was advertised as “Time to be heard” and it did provide a balance — against all the liberal media outlets who ignore conservative blacks, pretend they don’t exist, or diminish them (like the left did with Judge Thomas). So yes, it did provide a balance, not within Fox, but against the mainly liberal mainstream media.

    I think the whole discussion on “props” is sorely misplaced. As you know, and this board made clear (unlike some others) Beck was not directing his “props” comment at Obama, but to all politicians. The audience in this event were participants, not props.

    And to Chris: Yes, some people who attended did speak out about it afterwards , Johnny$ has a link to some reactions.

  • Fidoohki Fidoohki says:

    I’m sorry but the difference is this. They were part of the show interacting with the host and each other. They were not ‘props’ to stand there and make the president look like he gives a crap about them. Note: Whether
    he does or not is another debate entirely.

  • tjl tjl says:

    Zombie, they weren’t dressed authentically black OR white. How often have you watched Glenn Beck’s studio shows, which include a large majority of white people, and seen them ALL dressed in suits or buttoned-down shirts? Is that how most Americans dress? Seems to me like there was a bit of a “dress code.” Or, wait, are we supposed to believe that ALL conservative black men and women wear suits and buttoned-down shirts? Doesn’t seem authentic to me…

  • tjl tjl says:

    Man if you can’t see how they are props, Fidoohki, then you are completely lost — or in a Glenn Beck daze. What if Olbermann did a show with a bunch of southern, evangelical, gun-toting white people and said, “see, these people agree with me! Just because you are a southern, evangelical member of the NRA doesn’t mean you have to vote for the white guy!” I’m sure you’d be cool with that, right?

  • Trickletown Trickletown says:

    I find the Charles Payne story riveting. It’s just too damn bad he was willing to let Beck exploit it.
    I also find it hysterical that Bill O’Reilly is being manipulated into touring with Beck. BillO will certainly have a rude awakening when he see’s the audiences are mostly hard core Beckophiles.

  • Fidoohki Fidoohki says:

    TJL Says:
    “Seems to me like there was a bit of a “dress code.” Or, wait, are we supposed to believe that ALL conservative black men and women wear suits and buttoned-down shirts? Doesn’t seem
    authentic to me…”

    If you was going to be on an hour long special would you dress like you stepped out of a garbage
    bin? It’s called ‘being presentable’.

    “What if Olbermann did a show with a bunch of southern, evangelical, gun-toting white people and said, “see, these people agree with me! Just because you are a southern, evangelical member of the NRA doesn’t mean you have to vote for the white guy!” I’m sure you’d be cool with that, right?”

    Provided they are involved in the discussion afterwards as to why they feel the way they feel sure! The
    problem is you want this to be more than it is. It was a view of into Black Conservatives thinking. Something
    I found interesting. If you didn’t …*shrugs*

  • Eliza Eliza says:

    Amen to everything Steve said. The comment section at this site could be a great place for intelligent discussion about the news and politics, but it’s not. Instead it’s basically another ideological wasteland, just like what you find at TVNewser.

    As for the person who wants a list of where all the Mediaite contributors stand, you must be joking. This is what’s wrong with political discourse in this country: we’re always trying to put people in boxes. Unlike most regular commenters here, many individuals have diverse views that are not so easily categorized. I don’t understand why we can’t take each post at face value and let the discussion form from there.

  • TinaFromTampa TinaFromTampa says:

    Why would anyone waste their time watching Glenn Beck?

  • MartiniShark MartiniShark says:

    This was actually a pretty intriguing piece because of what I have seen exerted against conservative blacks over the years. I wondered about the scorn but then would be stunned by the language hurled at them, language that would be deemed unacceptable if delivered towards any other group. “Uncle Tom”, “House Negro”, “Traitor To the Race”.

    The irony is that they are accused of being brainwashed by conservatives, all because they are not acting in lockstep with whatever black leadership mandates them to believe.

  • libra blue libra blue says:

    @Steve,

    ” the fact that it was set up to come from a one-sided perspective should not be lost. This was not about African Americans – it was about African American conservatives. ”

    I think that was his point! Of course it was coming from a “one-sided perspective,” that is because you can witness the other side every hour of the day, every day of the week on CNN, MSNBC, and every other extreme left leaning news organization who, by the way have their own stereotypical black props that they use to further their agendas. And what about all those bussed in Obama town hall and rally “attendees”? I don’t hear too many complaints about that being unbalanced or the media labeling them as “props.”

    “Could it have been helped to have a roomful of African Americans with, I don’t know, fair and balanced views for an actual serious discussion? I think so. But who knows – maybe Beck has something up his sleeve next week. I wouldn’t be surprised.”

    Liberal programming excludes the conservative black voice on a regular basis. Yes, Beck may be using them for his own benefit, but he was also giving them a platform for their voices to be heard without liberal interruption so maybe they were using him as well.

    “A group that, as Beck jokes, “doesn’t exist” to some in the media, to be sure.”

    I don’t think Beck was trying to fool anyone into thinking this was an audience representative of both sides of the black issue:

    “This wasn’t “fair and balanced” – Beck doesn’t have to be – this was a case of almost an entire hour of Obama-bashing, albeit from a new, unique perspective. ”

    I think the perspective was the point here. Everyone knows where Beck is coming from, but why is it that every time that Beck or any other conservative or liberal brings up legitimate criticism about Obama, left wingers always see it as “Obama bashing?” The fact that this group was conservative means that they don’t agree with the Obama administration in the first place.

    I think you are under the false impression that just because some of us said positive things about this particular program that we condone everything Beck does. I certainly don’t, for instance, I thought that his “army prop” comment was out of line, but that doesn’t make everything he says and does wrong.

    “Could it have been helped to have a roomful of African Americans with, I don’t know, fair and balanced views for an actual serious discussion? I think so. But who knows – maybe Beck has something up his sleeve next week. I wouldn’t be surprised.”

    I think you are right about that, Beck isn’t finished yet. You guys just jumped the gun too soon.

    “When people like Libra Blue make undoubtedly racial comments (racial – not racist) about how you “need a translator” to listen to liberal African Americans, you undercut your own argument about what is ‘acceptable’ ways to stereotype.”

    Of course I was using those “racial” terms to make a point, that the left believes that their derogatory remarks and insulting descriptions of conservative blacks is acceptable and not considered stereotyping which is a bunch of BS.

    “We have columnists ranging from hard right to hard left. We go after MSNBC and FNC, when warranted. We call them all out, present a wide range of views, interview all sides and do so fairly.”

    Once in a while you have someone who writes a post that does not go out of his/her way to bash conservative views, but come on Steve, don’t you think you are being just a little bit disingenuous here?

    I have watched show after show of Anderson Cooper saying how “honest” he is and that they don’t give “opinions” on his show while he insults conservative protesters by calling them “tea baggers” and allows supposedly respectable commentators on his show, like David Gergen to call Democratic voters who did not vote for Obama “rednecks.” Also, what about the time he smacked down Lanny Davis and other supporters of Hillary Clinton? Although Mediaite does sometimes bash Olbermann’s idiocy, you have been curiously “hands off” when it comes to Anderson, choosing to ignore his nightly Obama worship moments and his constant ridicule of Sarah Palin (who I am not a fan of), or his biased view of minority crime and criminals. It makes me wonder if you guys have signed an “agreement” with him.

    Maybe you could start a regular “Your Moment of Anderson” column, believe me, there is more than enough material.

    As far as my political ideology is concerned, I don’t have a “side.” I take each issue on an individual basis. I am sure there aren’t many right wingers who would agree with my pro choice views or my support of gay marriage.

    “Unlike most regular commenters here, many individuals have diverse views that are not so easily categorized.”

    Steve, I had to laugh when I saw that one of your defenders is a liberal blogger and friend of Rachel Sklar! I think a disclaimer is in order here.

  • m m says:

    Glenn Beck should’ve asked the audience if they also think Obama has a deep-seething hatred of white people.

  • CRZ CRZ says:

    @libra blue,

    I have a (totally unsubstantiated) hunch that there aren’t a lot of AC reports here because, like a lot of America, nobody at M is actually watching the show.

    You can’t report what you didn’t see – for example, note the story on Thursday’s Colbert Show, which didn’t appear until just a few hours ago today (Saturday). It might be safe to conclude that the reason it was on site so late after airing was because until then, nobody had seen it. And of course, “if you didn’t see it, it’s new to you!”

  • Bill Adkins says:

    Illogical for these people to align themselves with someone like Beck or his followers. But then, in the Warsaw Ghetto there were Jews who helped the Nazis herd their victims to the boxcars.

  • StillLight StillLight says:

    If I was Oprah or BET, I would be embarrassed that I didn’t think to do such an amazing show that finally gave the National spotlight to Black conservatives. Beck did not make a mult-cultural back-prop out of this wonderful audience. The audience was not just cardboard cut-outs for a photo-op…they were given a chance to voice their concerns, they all were bold and appeared to me to be future leaders for the Black community. It is sad how the liberal and progressive are so brainwashed by the democratic party victimhood. This bunch of Conservtives are Americans that get it. I could watch many of these. Oprah….watch out….you’re starting to look obsolete.

  • jimmymaher jimmymaher says:

    It was a good show. I was disappointed to hear that Charles Payne voted for Obama, though. I don’t get it – Obama was never part of the civil rights crowd and got benefits because of his race, not discrimination.
    Vitamins

  • conservativesage conservativesage says:

    I was actually in the audience. I appear in the photo on a light blue shirt (no jacket). I got a chance to finally speak to knowledgeable people for a change. It was a great experience and I am happy Glenn did it. No one ever represents the 10% of blacks that ARE NOT left wing , liberal cool aid drinkers. Kudos to Glenn!

  • sarainitaly sarainitaly says:

    “the fact that it was set up to come from a one-sided perspective should not be lost. This was not about African Americans – it was about African American conservatives.”

    That’s why it was called *Time to be Heard*.

    “Could it have been helped to have a roomful of African Americans with, I don’t know, fair and balanced views for an actual serious discussion? ”

    Do you really think African American conservatives have a fair and balanced voice in the media?

  • Libra-

    As usual, your obsession with Anderson Cooper has managed to seep into comments that have absolutely nothing to do with him. You’ve cited an example of one thing that happened one time, more than a year ago. It probably won’t surprise you that we’re not jumping on your “Your Moment of Anderson” suggestion.

    And I actually don’t think you were making some point about derogatory remarks. I think you were making derogatory remarks about those on the left who you ‘need a translator’ to understand.

    I’m not sure what disclaimer you’re talking about, but it sounds pretty ridiculous. You think there’s some big conspiracy here? Interesting. And to all those who want every columnist who might write about eyeborgs, or Cuban bloggers or The Whitney to explain their political leanings before every post, you’re also feeding into some big conspiracy about how people here and elsewhere are trying to subtly slip in liberal talking points into columns about Craigslist or iPhone apps. John Ziegler is a regular columnist here. I’d say that goes far beyond someone who “does not go out of his/her way to bash conservative views”

    And Sarainitaly – I don’t think African Americans conservatives are fairly represented in the media at all, which is why I think the entire show (and topic we’re debating here in the comments) is important. But when it’s pegged as such, it turns into simply an Obama-bashing hour. How is “balance” defined as African American right-wingers? That’s not balance at all. That’s one side – maybe one side that’s been largely ignored by some in the media.

    One final note – hello to TinaFromTampa, from my TVN days!

  • MikeLI631 MikeLI631 says:

    THIS was a ground-breaking TV show, that I would LOVE to see MORE OF !

    All of the personal opinions about GLENN BECK, aside, he should be commended for this presentation.

    THIS IS EMMY AWARD SHOW STUFF !

  • ImNotBlue ImNotBlue says:

    tjl says:
    November 14, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    No one complains when you guys attack MSNBC…

    Well, yes they do. But it happens less frequently… partly because of bias, and partly because #2 doesn’t get the same attention as #1.

    And why is it always — “let us know what side the writer is on ahead of time.” Does it matter?

    Well, if you’re going to claim that the writing staff is “even” or “on all sides,” I’d like to know who we’re talking about. That seems fair, no?

    Do you only get your news from Fox News because you know “where they stand?”

    Um… no… I know where plenty of people stand. Are you suggesting that only FNC has folks with an opinion?

    Would you not read the columns, ImNot, if you knew that Joe was from the “far left”?

    I would keep reading them… but as I said above, at least we’d know the perspective with which they were approaching the story. Pretending to be unbiased, but coming from a strong POV, provides for a lot of opinion masquerading as fact, and snarky comments which someone deeply embedded within a political ideology has trouble discerning as “not common thought.”

    But a follow-up… knowing where Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly, etc. come from… does that mean YOU won’t watch or listen to them? Your question is a farce.

    It’s quite obvious what Beck was trying to do last night.

    It’s “obvious” if you have an ideology preventing you from seeing all sides. That’s when things like this are “obvious”… when you can’t bear to see past your preconceived notions.

    Eliza says:
    November 14, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Again, if you’re going to claim that despite a clear majority of negative stories about FNC and Republicans, and a plethora of stories claiming to be “reports” but actually opinion pieces against FNC and Republicans… if you’re going to claim that the site is “balanced,” or at the very least, have members from across the spectrum, you have to provide some evidence. You can’t make a claim despite the evidence, and but put up no background, and essentially say “trust me.”

    In my experience, this site leans clearly left… I’ve demonstrated that every time I feel opinion has crept in where it doesn’t belong. That’s my prerogative. If someone wants to debate that with me, terrific… show me why my example doesn’t stack up. But to claim that everything is evenly spread, you’ve got to do more than just say it to convince me.

    That’s the problem with so many of the websites and media outlets. You, me, and everyone can see bias and opinion creeping into where it doesn’t belong… and when confronted, they tell you it’s YOU who’s crazy… or they simply ignore you. We’re not stupid… we can see it clear as day. Pretending that there’s nothing wrong may have worked in the past, when there wasn’t much to choose from… but now there are enough outlets that dishonesty from the editors spells eventual doom for the production.

    Bill Adkins says:
    November 14, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    Goodwin’s Law.

    Ugh.

    Steve Krakauer says:
    November 15, 2009 at 1:00 pm
    And to all those who want every columnist who might write about eyeborgs, or Cuban bloggers or The Whitney to explain their political leanings before every post, you’re also feeding into some big conspiracy about how people here and elsewhere are trying to subtly slip in liberal talking points into columns about Craigslist or iPhone apps. John Ziegler is a regular columnist here. I’d say that goes far beyond someone who “does not go out of his/her way to bash conservative views”

    Well, I’m actually less concerned about the columnists. Most of them provide background information, which you can check yourself out on Wiki or Google or elsewhere. It’s the regular posters… the Joe’s, the Colby’s, the Glynnis’s, etc. Those are the people who sneak their opinion into “reports,” without acknowledging they’ve become columnists, or that it’s the POV… not “fact.” Honestly, I don’t believe most of them know they’re doing it… only that this is what “everyone else” is doing and saying, so it must be “common thought.” I know reporters and journalists HATE criticism, especially from non-journalists… but we’re not talking crazy talk here. I’ve pointed out a number of times when opinion makes its way into the articles. This isn’t conspiracy talk… this is Journalism 101 (I was the TA for that class years ago) “opinion versus fact.”

    PS-
    Yes, Ziegler is very pro-Republican. So… that’s one. Wo-hoo. I’ll see your Ziegler with a Tommy Chistopher, and raise you a Rappleye.

  • libra blue libra blue says:

    @Steve,

    My comments must have touched a nerve! I have never seen you in attack mode quite like this before, not even on TV Newser when you banned people from commenting.

    “As usual, your obsession with Anderson Cooper has managed to seep into comments that have absolutely nothing to do with him. You’ve cited an example of one thing that happened one time, more than a year ago. It probably won’t surprise you that we’re not jumping on your “Your Moment of Anderson” suggestion.”

    You mean the way Mediaite is obsessed with Beck, Palin, and others on FNC? Sometimes it isn’t what one does, but what one doesn’t do that is important. The fact that you continually go after some on FNC because of what you perceive as bias or some underlying sinister agenda while ignoring Anderson’s blatant bias and dishonesty is the point I was making. Although you seem to be able to read my mind:

    “And I actually don’t think you were making some point about derogatory remarks. I think you were making derogatory remarks about those on the left who you ‘need a translator’ to understand.”

    BTW, Anderson does this kind of stuff on a regular basis, but his “tea bagging” moment is the one everyone is familiar with that is why I mentioned it. Why not look into his biased coverage of the murders that happened in June, that was pretty obvious and let’s not forget his recent efforts to try and downplay and minimize the attack at Ft. Hood by repeatedly referring to Hasan as an “American Muslim” and “a good American” as if that made his acts of terrorism any less horrific than if they had been committed by a non-American Muslim.

    “I’m not sure what disclaimer you’re talking about, but it sounds pretty ridiculous. You think there’s some big conspiracy here?”

    I never called it a conspiracy; I just thought it was interesting that the person who was calling the kettle black is a liberal, Anderson obsessed friend of Rachel Sklar, and so is Rachel from what I understand. Now that I think of it maybe that is why Anderson has gotten such a free pass on Mediaite. So when are you getting the interview? And are you going to agree to abide by Anderson’s confidentiality agreement?

    Does this mean that you won’t be my FB friend?

  • Sunnyr Sunnyr says:

    The show was great, and Glenn Beck is ALWAYS good. Thanks for bringing these folks together for a very informative session. Charles Payne is one of my favorites on FBN, such a great guy with a inspiring story. Keep up the good work, Glenn. You’re the best!!

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