Reverend Joe knows he’ll always have an audience if he calls out the right .

The GOP uses the bible merely as a tool to divide and win elections, not as an actual guide for how to live.

A Bible in the left breast pocket can stop a bullet. There is proof of this, on film.

A Bible in the left breast pocket can stop a bullet. There is proof of this, on film.

Jesus was talking about charity (voluntary), not FORCED government confiscation (to buy more votes).

Jesus was talking about charity (voluntary), not FORCED government confiscation (to buy more votes).

There is so much truth to this.  Why can’t the GOP be more like Nancy Pelosi, who supports the Wall Street Protesters and even blesses them.  She is truly for the poor and lives her life accordingly.Here are some great pics.
http://themorningspew.com/2011/10/11/nancy-pelosi-offers-her-support-blessingsto-occupy-wall-street-protesters/

They are phonies, if Jesus was alive today, they’d call him a Communist, Socialist etc etc. 

When did Jesus call for GovCo to take care of the poor ??

When did Jesus call for GovCo to take care of the poor ??

Gee, the folks on the left have been saying this about the right for decades. 

Now, running out of options, the Democrat left finally resorts to the right’s worst tendency: trying to justify their pet government policies using the Bible.

So much for the separation of church and state, eh?

Epic. F**king. Fail.

Now, running out of options, the Democrat left finally resorts to the right’s worst tendency: trying to justify their pet government policies using the Bible.

So much for the separation of church and state, eh?

Epic. F**king. Fail.

I thought Alex was going to get rid of the spam to the photoshop blog

And the point needs to be underlined and repeated:

Charity = voluntary
Taxes = involuntary

Taxes =/= charity

So isn’t oh so not surprising NBC’s leading “Republican” echoes the same talking points?

When did Jesus say you could pawn off your responsibilities to your fellow man on the government if you just pay more taxes?

Imagine a progressive at the Pearly Gates being asked what they did for their fellow man: “Well, I screamed at the government until they took more money from rich people!”

Jesus was a theocrat with an overwhelming belief in personal responsibility.

And you still haven’t figured it out?

When did Jesus say distorting opposing arguments was a good way to win the discussion?

Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words.
They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. “Teacher,”
they said, “we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the
way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren’t swayed by men,
because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your
opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”

This is one of those Catholics that knows God is totally down with abortion. Because she knows Catholicism better than the Pope does.

Charity begins at home on April 15th.

Spam?  Photoshop blog?  No, idiot.  How about political opinion through artistic expression.  Yeah, go ahead and shut me down, but you will never silence me.  Typical lib.

Really, I’d like to see that. In a controlled experiment conducted by impartial participants, of course.

Poor Mika; still no sleeves!

And they sent men to him from the Scribes and from the followers of Herodus to trap him in his words. But those came and asked him, “Teacher, we know that you are true, and that you are not motivated by care for any man, for you do not regard the person of the sons of men, but you teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to give head tax to Caesar or not? Should we give or should we not give?” But he knew their treachery and he said to them, “Why are you testing me? Bring me a penny that I may see it.” And they brought it; he said to them: “Whose is this image and writing?” They said, “Caesar’s.” Yeshua said to them, “Give what is Caesar’s to Caesar and what is God’s to God.” And they marveled at him.

“13And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.
14And
when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art
true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men,
but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to
Caesar, or not?
15Shall
we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said
unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.
16And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar’s.
17And
Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are
Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marvelled at
him.”

Book of Mark, Chapter 12 KJV

“20 The young man said to him, “All these I
have observed; what do I still lack?”

26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them,
“With
men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”Book of Matthew Chapter 19–Cobra

Luke 11:39-42 Then the Lord said to him, “Now you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You fools! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? So give for alms those things that are within; and see, everything will be clean for you. “But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and herbs of all kinds, and neglect justice and the love of God

What distortion? What is your argument, if not that Jesus would want you to pay more to the government?

Scarborough is talking about taking care of the poor…via taxation. What are you talking about? Do enlighten us.

Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s. Where’s he talk about advocating higher taxes? “Give away all that you have and follow me.” Then the rich man lowered his head and walked away because he didn’t want to. But Jesus didn’t sic his disciples on him and tell them to take his money by force, did he? Christ also said to be as cunning as foxes. So if we know that the government wastes whatever money they get their hands on, then why would we want to give them more? Especially when they make immoral decisions like supporting unjust wars, abortion services, mandating contraception coverage, etc.

12:15 Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it.

16 And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar’s. 17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marvelled at him.

Um Joe, Jesus teaches you self-reliance and to help your neighbor.  Conservatives consistently give more of their OWN money to charity.  Jesus did not teach you to take from one group and give to another.  Perhaps you should reread that Bible of yours. 

You are discusting and the reason this country is in the shitter. You are a traitor. YOu want to live in a civilized society but you don’t want to pay for it. Get out go to Hati where there are no rules. You will be happier there.

Its so funny how you LARPers in tricorne hats, think paying taxes is soo un-American.

I think you are having trouble deciphering those scriptures.  He’s saying you should take your money and help others, which is what Conservatives do more than liberals.  Liberals have to be forced, through taxes to help their neighbor.  That is not charity.  Nice try though!!

Yea right.  Sure they do…and if they do, its only to WRITE IT OFF on their tax returns…not for any sort of compassion for their fellow man.

Hey if you are a Lt. anywhere quit wasting my TAX DOLLARS and get back to work you hypocrit.

The stats are out there if you choose to look.  My guess is you like to be ignorant. 

and ps, I give all the time and have never once taken the tax write-off.

i’ve never heard teachings on Caesar’s great wealth distribution programs.

Most Catholics are practical, educated people who dont believe in all your hocus-pocus silly bible stories about piles of salt and zombie Armageddon armies like you backwards hill folk who still think the Earth is flat.

You are discusting and the reason this country is in the shitter.

If you’re going to DERP, learn to spell first.

You are a traitor.

LOL

YOu want to live in a civilized society but you don’t want to pay for it. Get out go to Hati where there are no rules.

I didn’t see him say that anywhere in his comment, or anything approaching it, but you’re obviously clairvoyant or something.

Please show us, in a discussion of the differences between taxation and charitable giving when it comes to taking care of poor people, where he said he didn’t want to pay for civilized society, or that he wanted all laws overturned.

Or, you know, you can just run off, protest “greed” and crap on a police car.

BARF!!!!!

In tough times like these, charities are overwhelmed by requests and donations are down. If the government doesn’t step in then who will? The smug response that Warren Buffet can easily write a check if he feels he isn’t taxed enough is complete and utter BS. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that even an extra million or two from one person won’t accomplish what fair across-the-board shared sacrifice will. Middle class wages have stagnated for years while those of CEOs have skyrocketed. Does anyone truly believe that’s solely due to hard work by top wage earners? So by that logic, I guess the average middle class worker is just lazy, right?

 Interesting too that former Democratic presidents (Clinton, Carter) seem to do so much more in the realm of charity work for the poor than their GOP counterparts since leaving office. 

Don’t worry, my little derp machine. I’m privately and happily empolyed. I do quite well, and I didn’t need to behead a rich person or urinate in the street in a protest to get where I am.

I did have to work at it, however – put in many years and time, gained experience, developed skill sets, etc. So I can see how I’m guilty of a crime in your eyes.

How about you?

Almost of the so called Christians would tell Jesus to leave the country and go to Cuba if he would show up. Because Jesus was a socialist. He didn´t believe in capitalism. In fact, all his teachings are
anti-capitalistic. Worse he practiced communism even.

True Christians, the ones who actually understand the Bible, know this.

Great irony of history that the dumb right wing loons invoke Jesus to justify their views while Jesus preached the exact opposite of their views.

Right! so when it comes to taking care of the poor the teaching is ‘voluntary’. But when it comes to condemning other people as ungodly it is mandatory to separate the pure from the impure. I get your lazy logic, its called pick and choose. 

Feel free to cut a check to the Fed at any time.

Right.  Like believing in Creationism and denying science.

Didn’t Jebus also have a sword of fire? Just sayin’.

A+ .Joe… Of course the hypocrits on the right routinely forget that part of Jesus’s teachings. Or have an excuse for it.  

No one said paying taxes is un-American.  Wealth redistribution is un-American.  So is people calling for the right to make love to animals, but you won’t see that video posted here.
http://themorningspew.com/2011/10/11/repeat-after-me-you-can-make-sweet-sweet-love-to-animals/

His understanding of the Scripture, Great Commission, of theology and of eccelsiology is 100% correct, despite your gratuitous snark, Big Petty.  

I don’t recall Jesus promoting them either.

I am glad to see you are empolyed (sic) - idiot boy. You should not cast stones are spelling errors on these boards. When you screw up it makes you really seem stupid.

If you’re looking for a treatise on not paying taxes or on feeling warm and fuzzy about wealth, you might want to look elsewhere than the Gospel. 

Geez Joe, doesn’t it hurt being wrong most of the time?  Lemmings are great at giving away other people’s money. 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

that is why jesus told the rich man–if you want to go to heaven–give up everything…
ya that sounded like a real voluntary choice..

i do not mind the fact that republicans do not want to feed the hungry or heal the sick..
i do not mind that they are rich…
they just need to admit they are not christian–it is really very simple..

yes it is true that jesus asked us to voluntarily be good and charitable–to forgive and love each other as ourselves…
and if the republicans choose NOT to do this—fine..
lets just finally get it on record that the republican agenda is NOT Christian–
it is that simple~

Nobody is saying anything about wealth redistribution…this is about bible thumper hypocrisy.

“See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. For I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess. But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed.”

It’s called free will.

Clearly, Paulie, you are talking about Christian heresy. Or, perhaps, you’re not a Christian and arguing against Christ’s teachings. In any event, I think you’ve botched this discussion badly and need to turn to the secular writings of Rover Northcutt or Little Eric Can’tor to assuage your tormented soul. Clearly, you are not going to get the affirmation you so desperately seek from Christ or Christ’s Gospel.

Sure, if that gives you comfort.

Thanks for the correction!

There’s a difference between a typo in which two consecutive letters get flipped and not knowing how a word is spelled. I’m sure you’re aware of this. My error was the former, yours the latter.

Come on LT,  don’t feed the trolls. LMAO!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg

Thanks for agreeing with me that you do pick and choose what verses you decide to follow.

Imagine a Rightist before God, being asked, “Why did you not feed the poor as I commanded?” Imagine God’s expression when you answer, “Because I did not want to encourage sloth.”

Matthew 25: 31-46     ( no exceptions)

So what? Yes — Jesus said pay your taxes. What does that have to do with the point of real (voluntary) charity versus forced government confiscation?

Joe, you get a little “stupider” every day.

While the far right’s children are spending their summer building schools in Honduras & giving medical care in Haiti, the Democrats’ kids are going back to Rehab, AGAIN.

Putz.

Ah,, the athiest in you finally comes out!

Indeed, there are all manner of teachings in the Gospel to make us all uncomfortable. Except, of course, for Teapublicans.

Listen buddy… I am happy you got a skill set. However, you are clueless to what is happening in this country. I own a 4 mill a year company, employ 15 people have been in business for 12 years. I have never bounced a check. You are so blind you do not even know how these people screw you and millions more like you every day of the week. Like I have told so many of you morons on this board, you will understand when they come to take your home or your kids can’t get insurance for a preexisting condition or the governement tells you to take a hike when a natural disaster hits. So go someone where where you don’t have to pay for a civilized society. Go to Hati. They have no building codes there.

In Texas, we’d call that “signifyin’”.

he believed in giving more than you got–
if you were asked to a mile-walk 2–
did any of you people every actually read the words of The Christ?
you know where he says do not pray in public like the hypocrites?
how you treat those with the least is how you will be judged?
DO NOT JUDGE LEST YOU BE JUDGED?
but jesus never had any mention of gay marriage or homosexuality–strange huh?
but he was very clear about divorce…
again–the issue is not what jesus wanted–it is very clear–
the issue is that conservatives do not practice these theories and thus are not true Christians..
and they need to go on record–that is it~
very simple..
THE GOP NEEDS TO TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY–AND ADMIT–THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS…right????
you cannot have it both way–unless you are truly a maniacal sociopath who has no sense of reality and morality—

Yes. Personal responsibility. TYVM.

jeses never mentions abortion..

and here are some things about abortion..
do aborted babies go to heaven?
how would we pay for millions more babies?
when does the miracle of life stop being a miracle so we can kill it or hate it?

Then there are those Catholics who have been lapsed for decades, like me. You didn’t think I was gonna let all that Catholic school go to waste though, did you?

Try again, nitwit. Maybe you can make an argument free of bigotry next time.

So pay your taxes and don’t be greedy.

See if there is anything misspelled here:  Matthew 25: 31-46      Oh, sorry. I forgot you didn’t have a bible.

Charity begins with hate!

Really, you should consider psychotherapy. Or at least a long chat with a priest or a minister. Not Sharpton, though. He’s a charlatan.

When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you love me more than these?”    “Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.”
   Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.”
 Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
   He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”
   Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”
 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”
   Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.”
   Jesus said, “Feed my sheep. Very truly I tell you, when you were younger you dressed yourself and
went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your
hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not
want to go.” Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. Then he said to him, “Follow me!”
 
The Gospel According to St. John the Divine, beginning @15 NIV.

No it is not.

Well, we believe such stories and parables are instructive.

hey ASs–the only reason they do this is to CONVERT THE NONBELIEVERS…
YOU CANNOT BENEFIT FROM THE LOVE OF THESE TRAVELING EVANGELICALS IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT THEIR DISTORED VERSION OF CHRISTIANITY…

so you are just highly misinformed–or a liar…or as most hypocrites–both..
but if you are so genernous–
we have 50 million here who need medical care and more that need  housing and millions of children in poverty..
so you have plenty of mega churches not paying taxes—DON’T YOU LOVE AMERICA?
what a nut~

Right, and who demanded works of charity, God or Caeser?

So, what’s your excuse in the top 1% paying more?         That’s what I thought.

And who demanded charity, Caeser or God?

The plural of “anecdote” is not “data.”

No business owner following your progressive economic doctrine would ever meet a payroll. Or take a profit.

Do you take a profit? Or do you make less than your employees?

Let us all know.

Yet, aren’t you one of those who sometimes argues that our Founders were Christians, that we are a Christian nation? Surely, then, we are called as a nation, as a people, to be Christ-like.

you and those sleeves

do you prefer the Quaker look?
or the Taliban?

Holy Non-Sequitur, Batman!

He does. So do I. So do we all. We have to, and we do.

Now get out of his wallet and start donating to charity.

Taxes are not charity.

The teaching from the Gospel According to St. Mark is always a thorn in the side of the wealthy, the greedy, the “establishmentarians” and the cheap skates, isn’t it?

Taxes are not charity. That’s why they’re different words.

bingo

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i just want you clowns to say Jesus was never about giving or charity..
that is what you want to say..
say that Jesus wants you to be rich–i have heard this for years out of your churches..
i have no idea what jesus you are talking about..

but you are actually arguing if Jesus is synonomous with charity?
really?
again–conservatives are just not honest are they?

The smug response that Warren Buffet can easily write a check if he feels he isn’t taxed enough is complete and utter BS.

No, that’s absolutely true. He can scratch it out and send it to:
Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782

Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that even an extra million or
two from one person won’t accomplish what fair across-the-board shared
sacrifice will.

Is there anyone in Washington proposing that?

You obviously haven’t read your bible.

Jesus was far from a communist.  

..and you call the right wing, loons and dumb? lol

There is nothing in the Bible that equates Jesus’ words about helping the poor to be an endorsement of govt entitlement programs.

The “alms’ taken from the pay check each pay period, with hardly a notice, and no true personal investment was NOT what scripture implies.

Caring for the poor is not defined as enforced largess from the distant entity that is government.

Jesus’ call to help the poor meant a personal investment in their lives, both parties directly accountable to each, not only for physical sustenance, but the higher sustenance of spiritual salvation accompanied good living, tor which the giving of alms was DIRECTLY related.

Social safety nets are good and necessary things, but  to reduce a complex debate over unintended consequences and the efficacy of various programs, to so simple (and largely opportunistic) a formulation as Jesus said “feed the poor” is more about polemics than discussion. 

So too is the laughably convenient  attribution of any sort of special authority onto one Joe Scarborough

On the contrary, Jesus’ call to care for the poor was made to the individual, that one must personally sacrifice to care for the poor as a part of one’s redemption.  The claim that passing that care to a government, using taxes collected from someone else, is what Christ was speaking of is incorrect on many levels.

I never claimed otherwise, champ.

I follow Pablo’s “lapsed Catholic” path.

I do not recognize the Bible’s “authority” over me, and resist either political party trying to use it to justify they’re favorite government policy.

We do not need the Gospel interpreted by the likes of you, thank you very much indeed, I am sure, Michelle-in-Utah. If we have any questions about Nephi or Mosiah, we’ll get back to you.

Good old Joe, opens his mouth and shows the world just how stupid he is.  For anyone to suggest that the “left takes care of the poor” and the right does not, doesn’t have a clue about the real world.

The protesters are out there screaming for the poor they are out there screaming for themselves….gimme, gimme, gimme. 

This article is pretty pathetic.

Jesus wasn’t interested in the governance of man. Jesus was a theocrat.

How do you figure he was a communist?

Oh wait! He fed a bunch of people via miracle! Thing is, communists can’t pull that trick off, no matter how many times they try.

Please not that trite, erroneous, self-serving BS again to try to assuage your understandable guilt at your parsimony.

*Y*A*W*N*

There wouldn’t be so many poor without the ENABLING Democratic Welfare State PROMOTING reckless childbearing!

Women that don’t have the means, maturity, committment or ability to take care of themselves, shouldn’t be whoring around with casual inseminators, having babies!

That kind of irresponsible behavior is CHILD ABUSE! 

Fact: The working people right and center in America
that are believers in Jesus give to Charities far up and above the entitled
class that only want coddling, free handouts and provide no sweat equity to improve
their own lives due to cult like laziness and these low lives have MSLSD in
their pockets feeding their phony causes!

Michelle-in-Utah, condemnation and recrimination are not giving, however much you want to believe so.

Michelle-in-Utah, condemnation and recrimination are not giving, however much you want to believe so.

Both you and Joe do what most do when they read into the Scripture what they want to see rather than take out of it what is actually stated.  Complete Christ’s statements about “helping the least of these” and you will find He also adds “my brothers”.  The meaning is simple.  Those on His right had done good deeds for other Christians, not just anybody who was poor. Nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus call those who don’t believe in Him his “brothers”.  Do you, Natureboy42, confess Jesus as your Lord and Savior?  If not, don’t expect to have Him place you on His right when this final judgement comes.   Secondly, Christ’s exhortations to help the poor are a call for PERSONAL help, not government help.  And it was all to be voluntary, not compulsory.  This is the exact opposite of what you, Joe, and all statists require–that big brother take your money and spend it on the “poor”, you know, all those poor people sitting aroung with 2 big screen tv’s in every room, IPODs, IPads, cellphones, etc.  When measured by the standards of the world, there literally are almost no “poor” people in America.  Which simply means even if your analysis were right, Jesus would not be looking for those who helped the poor in the US, but rather the truly poor in other parts of the world.  Think about that. 

How much did you do to help the poor last year boy?  What was your excuse?  

The hypocrites – like yourself figure it’s the government’s job – not mine.
We, on the other hand, figure it’s our job as Christians and we don’t wait for the government to help the needy – we see a need – we address the need and we change the need to a deed.  

Please, don’t even attempt to distort Jesus’ teachings.  Last I heard, you were working on being an atheist and very proud of it – suddenly your on first name basis with Jesus.  Then you compound that by calling the helpers hypocrites, while you sit back and ridicule the Christians.  Awesome, absolutely awesome!  Only a left wing loon would sink to your level.

No, Kook. It’s as deeply flawed as you are.

there you go again…..
blame others—
i never said that the ‘left takes care of the world’…you my dear–are a liar..
i said–that the conseratives are not christian and they should admit it…
so admit it….and quit being a lying hypocrite..
you are not about charity or forgiveness–you are not about loving your fellow man and you obviously do not understand the words of The Christ–i doubt you have ever read them..because you even make up stuff i said–
stop it~

GFY, Kook.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Stay on topic please.

Do quote Jesus telling us that we can fulfill our obligation to mankind through taxes. Or, stick a cork in it.

The thread is about Scarborough’s comment about “Jesus’ message.”

We both correctly pointed out that, apart from the irony of liberals suddenly finding it OK to cite the Bible and Jesus to justify their favorite government policies, Jesus was teaching that charity – not advocating the taxation of your neighbors – was the proper moral path for caring for the less fortunate in society.

The left here, predictably, went ballistic when it was suggested that they in fact don’t understand the difference between what a tax is and what charity is.

And here we are still trying to teach you because you’re unwilling to learn.

Conservatives do far more charity than progressives, Kook. You lie…as usual.

You seem to confuse the old and new testament stories – but that’s o.k. cause it works for you.

and your Jebus  is beyond disrespectful, but again,  not surprising when one considers the source.  

Imagine the more probable answer of “they took it out of my check each pay period, dude”.

oh i see now—jesus was talking about CHRISTIANS HELPING CHRISTIANS–HOW STUPID ARE WE???
oh ya–THERE WERE NO CHRISTIANS BACK THEN DUMBASS—
you people really are f$cked up–really~

Fact: Demarodents continue on a daily bases to end Jesus in our every day lives. Real morals for real losers back their every play!

Right…but they believe them LITERALLY.

I guess common sense really isn’t free – either that or again you were standing in the wrong line when it was being handed out.  

“ I own a 4 mill a year company, employ 15 people have been in business for 12 years”

Bwaaaaa, thanks for the laugh. Needed that this morning.

He can’t even figure out he’s part of the problem according to the lemmings.  LMFAO!

Thank you for promoting the communist boot on the neck of the populace. Who needs liberty, eh skyfet?

It’s not, actually, and repeating it over and over again won’t make it true.

Jesus was talking about charity, not taxation.

And again, it shouldn’t matter, because Democrats are opposed to using scripture to justify their government policies.

Obviously.

 Save your excuses. You might need them.

that does not make them christians–you people are lazy F$ks for sure..
you will do anything to NOT do the work..
just admit it–YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT CHRISTIANS–YOU CANNOT LIVE BY THE GUIDELINES..JUST BE FREAKING HONEST FOR GOD’S SAKE~~~

But it is the blindingly obvious!!!!

All republicans huh? When you make broad, outrageous statements like that, you totally invalidate your argument.

“Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse
University, published “Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About
Compassionate Conservatism.” The surprise is that liberals are markedly
less charitable than conservatives…

— Although liberal families’ incomes average 6 percent higher
than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households
give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average
liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

— Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

— Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004
gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents
of states that voted for George Bush.

— Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

— In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60
percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to
charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less
than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.

— People who reject the idea that “government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality” give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

Fact: Jesus preached self reliance and to follow the ten commandments but also knew we are just human and need forgiveness when we stray! Nothing to do with government or socialism!

“Thou shalt not bear false witness” doesn’t seem to trouble you a bit, Kook. You’re such a heathen.

RKK, you know, because it has been proved time and again, over and over, that conservatives give far more of their own money to charity, and they do it willingly.  Even a non-believer, like you, upon a reading of the Gospels would understand that Jesus was speaking to the individual and the individual’s responsibility to the poor.   The idea that this responsibility means that the govt acquires the money by theft, hires bureaucrats, and then distributes it to favored groups is absolutely NOT what Jesus commanded.   But, in a world where govt is god, I can see how you would mistake the two.  And please don’t hit us with that “I’m a liberal Christian” nonsense.   That  is like a jew saying, “I’m a faithful Nazi.”  Christians don’t support the wholesale murder of the unborn.

Because what’s man’s is man’s after Caesar is paid is man’s.

And if you don’t like that, move to North Korea and live in a society that practices your moral code.

If you were alive today we would call you an IDIOT.

that is why jesus told the rich man–if you want to go to heaven–give up everything…
ya that sounded like a real voluntary choice..

Yes, exactly right. It is entirely up to the individual to choose his path.

No it wasn’t. Jesus’ Great Commission was to all. Most often God, whether the Creator (Father), the Redeemer (Christ) or the Sanctifier (Holy Spirit) almost always comes to God’s people.

Save your excuses. You might need them.

For calling your bluff!

Take care of yourself and don’t be greedy. Beggars can’t be choosy.

If that gives you comfort, however false, I am pleased you are comforted.

Part of that is to illustrate the great DIFFERENCE between obligations to God and obligations to the State.  It is to make it clear that supporting the STATE is not the same as supporting GOD.

I’m not seeing “Pay the government to feed my sheep.”

then let me validate it….
show me one conservative who is a true christian..
who loves all man–does not hate gays, mexicans, muslims–who gives his life to healing the sick and feeding the hungry–to give more than he gives..
show me this man or women in the gop–and validate YOUR argument

For leftist women, a burqa would seem appropriate, since liberals are so f-ing ugly!

Did you all see the poll spreading through cyberworld:

Who’ll be the First Democratic Politician to officially call for the GUILLOTINE?!

(Just kidding, I think!)

People like me are glad to pay our fair share of taxes, cause it goes to greater good (well except the crazy wars).

We are lazy?
Seriously, because we give without being asked to, because we help without it being mandated?
That makes us lazy?

You want us to be honest? 
Honestly, you really don’t want to know what I think of people like yourself.  You really don’t want me to be honest.  

“Two men went up into the temple to pray;
one was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector.
The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this:
 
‘God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners,
unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.
I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.’
But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn’t even lift up his eyes
to heaven, but beat his breast, saying,
 
‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other;
for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself
will be exalted.”  (web)

Save  your excuses you might need them.      “Good” Lt.

Yet, I am so often told that our Founders were Christian. That we are a Christian nation. And, if Christ calls us as individuals to the discharge of the Great Commission, aren’t we also corporate as a Christian nation? And, aren’t corporations people? Individual Christians are charge whilst Christians assembled are not? Odd logic there. But, if it comforts you, however false that comfort may be ….

And I’m Superman!

Fact: Work harder like we do! No one owes you anything in life! You are pitiful and show us all why a good paddling back in school has always been better than the new time out culture cult!

what excuses?  I don’t recall making any excuses.  Do I need excuses to be just like you?  lol

How very Christ-like of you.

“So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

Yes, I know that passage well.

And where’s the part about advocating taxing your rich neighbor and calling that charity again?

Seems like it’s an exhortation to the individual to do the right thing by choice. You know – voluntarily.

That passage underlines and underscores the point that taxes aren’t charity. It does nothing to refute it.

Congrats – you just used the Bible to make my point.

Which excuses neither a callous individual nor a callous nation, Whopper.

There’s no such thing as collective salvation, Kook. Don’t be such a Marxist.

Right after he told them that he had come to overthrow the Roman govt and build a utopia on earth.

They already pay more. Lots more. What’s your excuse?

You mean like “cut” and “slice” are different words?

So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

Republicans and Christians give more of their incomes to charity than any other group. These are are indisputable facts guys.

I think the bigger point Joe trying to make is that, if your going to talk about the bible you should at least know what’s inside.

Again with the lame name joke? Come up with something new.

And in case you missed it in your Bible, Jesus lived together with his Apostles in a community where everything was shared and nobody owned anything because, you get it, all possessions belonged to all. And what did the Apostles do? They followed the teachings of their teacher. The Acts of The Apostles states that clearly – d´oh!:

4:31 When they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were gathered together. They were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness. 4:32 The multitude of those who believed were of one heart and soul. Not one of them claimed that anything of the things which he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. 4:33 With great power, the apostles gave their testimony of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. Great grace was on them all. 4:34 For neither was there among them any who lacked, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, 4:35 and laid them at the apostles’ feet, and distribution was made to each, according as anyone had need. 4:36 Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas (which is, being interpreted, Son of Encouragement), a Levite, a man of Cyprus by race, 4:37 having a field, sold it, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira, his wife, sold a possession, 5:2 and kept back part of the price, his wife also being aware of it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 5:3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 5:4 While you kept it, didn’t it remain your own? After it was sold, wasn’t it in your power? How is it that you have conceived this thing in your heart? You haven’t lied to men, but to God.”

No, that’s exactly the opposite of what I’m saying, you moron.

Taxes are not charity.

you give nothing but hate–fear and excuses…
why don’t you people just admit–YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE TEACHINGS—YOU ARE LIARS AND FRAUDS…
STOP IT…
IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW JESUS–HERE IS YOUR TEST..
GIVE 10,000 DOLLARS TO HELP THE CHILDREN—now you must give $20,000…
or don’t you believe?
STOP BEING A LIAR AND ADMIT-YOU CANNOT DO IT–YOU WILL NOT SUPPORT POLICY THAT FEEDS THE HUNGRY OR HEALS THE SICK–JUST SAY IT FOR GOD’S SAKE~

keep being delusional. 

Fact: Hey joe do you believe that Jesus Christ the son of God died on the cross for your sins? I do! Do you?

The Bible is not the Constitution of the US.

You seem to be confused on this point and are laboring under the errant belief that I’m a fundamentalist Christian or something.

but that does not make them christian–STOP MAKING EXCUSES–JUST BECAUSE YOU DRIVE FAST DOES NOT MAKE YOU A RACE CAR DRIVER..

GIVE IT ALL OR SHUT UP–YOU HAVE A CHOICE–ETERNAL SALAVATION OR A BIG ASS TV..
CHOOSE~

Indeed. Dangerous.

There is a fundamentalist tour of holy sites in Israel. The guide takes you to the ditch wherein was found the man aided by the Good Samaritan. To the hotel wherein the Samaritan stayed. The guide tells you repeatedly, “This is the exact spot.” But, it’s a parable. Christ teaches in parables. Admittedly. Effectively. Unless you take it literally. Then, it can be very destructive.

JESES WAS GOD RIGHT? DO YOU NOT GET IT?
jesus created the sun and the moon and all the stars–
jesus walked with adam and eve ..
there is not son of God—there is only 1 god as per the FIRST COMANDMENT????
do you people even know what Chrisianity is? DO YOU?

Fact: Easy to see you are a liberal lunatic!

Nope. that is the essence of a false interpretation of ANY scripture.

Those particular passages aren’t for just a warning for the  Gates, the Sorrors, the Bloombergs, your conservative cousin.

They aren’t a political devise you use to castigate enemies.

They are at all times for me and for YOU.

Fact: Always missing the real point is the liberal trait!

He didn’t say that by paying taxes would fulfill any obligation, however he did remind us that monatry good and property will not make your life complete.  “Render unto Caesar,” “If some one sues for your cloak,” and “Be not like the hypocrites” are all saying that if all you seek are worldly gains, then your priorities are off. 

“Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at Syracuse
University, published “Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About
Compassionate Conservatism.” The surprise is that liberals are markedly
less charitable than conservatives…

— Although liberal families’ incomes average 6 percent higher
than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households
give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average
liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).

— Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.

— Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004
gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents
of states that voted for George Bush.

— Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.

— In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60
percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to
charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less
than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.

— People who reject the idea that “government has a responsibility
to reduce income inequality” give an average of four times more than
people who accept that proposition”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

The Apostles, the dudes who knew Jesus personally, were  freaking commies. Wonder where they got it from? Exactly, from Jesus.  From The Acts of Apostles:

2:44 All who believed were together,
and had all things in common. 2:45 They sold their possessions and
goods, and distributed them to all, according as anyone had need.

Paul, in his second epistle to the Thesselonians:

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching[a] you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we could not be a burden to any of you. 9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13 And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good. 14 Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15 Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.

Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet
before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets,
that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their
reward.

Good to hear from ya!

You missed the point. Yes, we all KNOW that voluntary contributions can be made. But while that may be effective in making a moral statement, it would be a symbolic gesture at best.
To the bigger point, charities donations are down and the number of those in poverty is growing by leaps and bounds. If the government doesn’t step in then WHO WILL? 

Indeed, you are correct, in part. Faith is not ideological, despite how desperately some would make it so. I have seen wondrous charity, not only money, but time and prayer from people of both parties and no party, from those left and right, and this unengaged. And, although I find some of your political and ideological nutty, as I am sure you do mine, I never question your faith. I support you with my whole heart in your walk, as I pray you do me.

Fact: Your hero Augustus Caesar the inventor of Taxes!

some examples

http://youtu.be/ExWfh6sGyso

I see you’ve taken Jesus’ lessons to heart.

Fact: All the time you where a sleeper in Church
shows!

or “death” and “murder”

I am a Roman Catholic. Whether that is a conservative Christian or a liberal Christian, I’ll leave for you to determine. Your answer, however, will interest me not in the least.

Say what?  Go back and read my post or don’t; I don’t really care.

Joe looked like a fool with his statement – an arrogant fool who has been msnbced so he doesn’t understand truth, fact or reality any longer.

Well, Joe is that the whole of conservatism or are you leaving a few individual libertarians for God to judge?

Perhaps if you read through the eyes of faith?

The point was that Jesus said you shouldn’t care if some one steals from you.  “If some one sues (or steals in some translations) your coat, give them your cloak as well.”  People fighting for worldly gains already have their reward. 

Quite banal and someone agreed? LMAO!

You may pretend to be a Roman Catholic, but I don’t remember the Catholic faith supporting  the wholesale murder of children, born, or unborn.

The first two commandments should probably tell you where to put worldly items on your list of priorities. 

Fact: He that has no sins cast the first stone! Validated and checked!

most who call themselves Christens don’t either

My dear lapsed friend, that is exactly what salvation is. God coming to God’s people. The Gospel. The Atonement. The Rainbow. The Giving of the Law. The Annunciation. The Ascension. The Resurrection. The Road to Emmaus. God coming to God’s people. Over and over again. Not to you, not to me, but to us. That’s what sets us apart as a faith and a faithful people.

BWAAAAAA show me a dem that’s fits that bill.  They HATE all conservatives. You just don’t get it.

Try this validation as far as charity goes.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

Maybe you can quote where Jesus told the rich man “give all your money to the govt so that it can hire bureaucrats and give your money to the favored supporters of the govt.”  I missed that one.   Oh yeah, he never said it.   You really think that Jesus was telling the rich man to give his money to the govt?  He was telling him, that he can’t serve 2 masters.   I notice how you left that part of the quote out.

There is no bigger joke then to hear a Democrat preach religion….the same party that would fall on their swords before giving up the most despicable crime of our era…that being abortion…has the audacity to try and tell others what Jesus meant.  The hypocrisy is deafening!

There is no bigger joke then to hear a Democrat preach religion….the same party that would fall on their swords before giving up the most despicable crime of our era…that being abortion…has the audacity to try and tell others what Jesus meant.  The hypocrisy is deafening!

Is this real?  The lemmings using Jesus to justify taxes?  This could be an episode of the Twilight Zone.  LMAO!

Well, my friends, I’m leaving on a jet plane, to be flying over Michelle-in-Utah in several hours time. Stand naked on your roof, dear, and wave a chartreuse scarf so that I might spot you and wave back.

Speaking of which, last night Whopper put me over 10,000 “Likes Received”. Many thanks, and special thanks to Michelle-in-Utah, Sarah N. Italy, Paulie, Jeff Merrill and Nutsofast for making this great honor possible.

TTFN.

See you in the funny papers.

Fact: Joe is an epic failure when it comes to knowing who,what and why he cares!

i am not saying i am a christian—back at ya–

“…simply reminding many on the right about taking care of the poor.”  Uhm, Colby, there is another quote from Jesus that you should read and then maybe edit this statement;

“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

Kook suffers from the delusion that the POTUS is a suitable stand in for Christ.

Fact: I see Jesus and the light in which he stands!

There is nothing in the New Testament that makes feeding and caring  for others an end in itself.   These things went hand-in-hand with the preaching of repentance of sin and salvation via “The Bread of Life” and “The Living Water” for ETERNAL life.

Yes. Do you understand that?

Who demanded works of charity, Caesar or God?

i never claimed to be christian–I just like what Jesus was about and i believe in a lot of what he taught..
but i do not exploit the words for profit and do just the opposite..
again–just say it–CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT CHRISTIANS…it is very easy..
be honest for once

then if they DO NOT vounteer–they are NOT Christian right????RIGHT????

so again I say—CONSERVATIVES HAVE TO QUIT SAYING THEY ARE CHRISTIANS—
that is it

How very Satanic of you. Are you the Emperor of Lies?

Who demanded works of charity, Caesar or God?

Isn’t interesting that this idiot spent so much time ranting against Michelle and saying that as a Mormon she has no right to talk about scriptures, in a topic where Scarborough EXPRESSLY castigated Rev. Jeffress for the same thinking.

Will they be doing the GUILLOTINE Dance at the Dems convention next year?

What did Holder know and when did he know it?
Remember, this CROOK was the one who got Marc Rich a pardon – Do the Wall Street lemmings know that?

then conservative need to admit that they cannot live by the laws of Jesus–
they do not want to give up wealth and power–they do not want to forgive or turn the other cheek..
they do not want to feed the hungry or heal the sick…
if they did–they would get 100% Dems vote..
so TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND ADMIT–CONS ARE NOT CHRISTIAN…that is it

Jesus, nor the Apostles, ever sanctioned gov’t run charity. Quite the contrary actually:  “Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.  7 Each man SHOULD give what he has decided in his HEART to give, NOT reluctantly or UNDER COMPULSION, for God loves a cheerful giver.”

That clip makes me wonder if the left will ever get so enlightened. I notice they don’t mention welfare or food stamps or free education and health care, though.

Exactly. Nor is supporting the state doing charity for your fellow man. It is an earthly obligation, not a Godly one.

Well, since you have 10,000 alter identities here at Mediaite, there’s hardly any surprise.

his job is to be a relatively center-right talking head…he has NO relevance in the broader scheme of things; Mika is irrelevant as well, but she shows lotsa leg and fauns over Joe and Buchanan like a second string cheerleader(apolgies to ALL cheerleaders)    keep the damned religious rhetoric where it belongs…unless the CHURCHES of all religions want to start paying property taxes, they can keep THEIR opinions to themselves..opining is not the same as scripture

“CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT CHRISTIANS”

Really dude, time to double up on the Xanax.  Be honest, you’re seeing a whole team of psychiatrists. LOL!

Which someone should explain to the OWS crowd.

I’m a non-believer….

Only when it’s tax deductible… We all know how conservatives love taxes.

render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars; render unot God that which is HIs    or something like that….good grief

i actually am an ordained minister–and all i am doing is pointing out the obvious

Robert. Be sure and pack your wool burqua for those chilly nights . And take your saucy green beret , the one that lights up BFD’s good eye !

comic logic….. toss $$$ into the air(or out a highrise window,, or from a plane) and.whatever God wants, he keeps

Jesus was speaking to the individual not to the government. Charity and caring are one thing and expropriation in the name of charity and caring is another. Churches and individuals always do it best, for the right reason, and less expensively. Government is always the problem, not the solution.

yes you are lazy..
you do not do the work–evangelicals believe all they have to do is believe and all is good..

you do not feed the poor or heal the sick..
by large you do nothing for nothing—if you ‘donate’ anything you expect something in return..
you are hypocrites and frauds–by large..
and you all need to admit it–you cannot live up to the demands of Theh Christ and Quit exploiting his name…

and we are talking about the indivduals…
jesus was very clear on wealthy people—and on charity and forgiveness..
SO YOU CANNOT SUPPORT WEALTH, WAR, FEAR, HATE OR DENYING HEALTH CARE OR FOOD–and still call yourself a christian–
that is the bottom line`

I’m not seeing that. 8 and 10, yes, but not the first two.

Since when is it up to the government to make people behave in a Christian fashion?

I’m a practicing evangelical agnostic myself.

This is what this paragon The Real Royal Emperor Jeffresss said about “the likes of ” Michelle:

We do not need the Gospel interpreted by the likes of you, thank you very
much indeed, I am sure, Michelle-in-Utah. If we have any questions about
Nephi or Mosiah, we’ll get back to you.
———————————————————————–

You think how much he’s willing to pay in income taxes trumphs this sort of bigotry?

Who says conservatives don’t volunteer?

Truth hurts, eh?

Hey Robert . If you’re wearing your Muslim garb on the plane ( as you do to annoy people) and you want more peanuts , run up to the cockpit and pound on the door . You’ll be waited on quickly .

There’s another option, Real Royal Catholic.  You would fit in there.

There’s another option, Real Royal Catholic.  You would fit in there.

…and to Solyndra and to guns for drug cartels and to crony capitalists and to huge, wasteful bureaucracy.

Perhaps if I read it through the eyes of Marx.

The government is not mentioned at all in that passage. Nor does it say “You paid your taxes, so you’re good.” Care to try again?

You do understand that wealth is relative?   That in a great many places on earth, a low income American would be perceived as “rich”.

The love of money isn’t merely an occupational hazard of the rich.  It is a sin that has effected every last one of us, at one time or another.  We ALL have to guard against it. 

Not being for nationalized health care or ANY government program is not tantamount to denying Christ and his teachings.

To suggest that is a use of Christianity that is far more theocratic than any Bible-carrying conservative as ever suggested. 

You’d do well to get some perspective and understanding of the arguments of others.  As it stands now your merely sound like a ranting angry lunatic.

Yes to each person. Judgment is upon people, not societies. You don’t appear familiar with the New Covenant.

Ah, bigotry in the morning. Smells like Kook.

So, you know that it’s true and you declared it “complete and utter BS”?

Naughty, naughty.

If the government doesn’t step in then WHO WILL?

Where do you think the government gets it’s money?

Still, you know you’re insulting those who aren’t. You’re certainly entitled to do so, but Dale Carnegie would frown upon it…if he weren’t so dead.

The Apostles were the first Christians, nitwit. Try Matthew 16:18.

Who says they’re not paying taxes? They’re also tithing, btw.

Wow, that’s amazing how Jesus was a Democrat and supported Obama’s policies. He really was a visionary! The way you on the Left are attempting to cloak your socialism in Jesus’ teachings and then use it as a hammer to hit christians with is probably one of the sickest, most twisted things I’ve seen you guys do in some time. 

Jesus said YOU help the poor – he didn’t say to go grab all your friends, start an uprising, throw rocks at the Praetor, and demand that Rome tax some other guys more so that they can create an entire social welfare plantation to care for the poor. He didn’t say that. 

You sound awfully angry, joe. Are you a Christian?

Christians do take care of the poor.  Who do you think works the food banks, soup kitchens, elderly assistance, jobs training programs, etc. that churches offer?  Who do you think runs all these organizations listed in this directory (which is a small fraction)?  http://www.dmoz.org/Society/Philanthropy/Organizations/Religious/Christian/
The government is not a charity.  There is a difference.  And believing such does not make you un-Christian.

And I love how liberals find religion when it suites their agenda.  Otherwise they hate Christians and believe they should be banned from the public square.  Evidence – the comment in this posting, “regardless of one’s belief’s in Christianity and understanding of the current political landscape”.  Translated, that means, “we normally hate Christians, but everyone needs to pay attention to this message about Christianity because it supports our political position”.

Joe Scarborough lecturing Christians about how to be Christian is like Laurence O’Donnell lecturing Herman Cain on how to be black.

It’s also sinful according to the Bible.

You’re up, joe!

Is he trying to do that by demonstrating how stupid he looks when he talks without the knowledge?

Then a stone came flying in and hit the adultress upside the head. And Jesus said “Mom! Cut it out!”

/kidding! Don’t smite me!

I really don’t think there’s  a bigger pos than mark schultz aka the real royal emperor.. Can we all agree on that? robert stephenson is in a close second.

It’s the greatest irony in American politics that Republicans want to do everything possible to curb access to abortion, but they don’t give a dammm about helping people once they enter the world.

Mr. Scarborough knows not of what he is talking about.  Neither do the leftist Democrats (but I repeat myself) who agree with him.
 
Jesus was talking personal responsibility.  Period.
 
Greed is a sin.  There are many people who are greedy.  There are many rich people who are greedy.  When Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into heaven, he most assuredly was talking about greed, not being rich, something the left conveniently leave out.  Remember in the Bible, Jesus raised a man named Lazarus from the dead because he was a good man who had died too soon.  Lazarus was also a wealthy man, someone the Democrats demonize today.

Then there is the 10th Commandment.  Jesus was asked if he came to destry the 10 Commandments.  His reply was that he came to fulfill the Commandments.  In the last part of the 10th Commandment, God commanded people not to covet what is they neighbor’s, that is, the property of other people.  Greedy people who happen to be wealthy do this all the time.  Not all wealthy people are greedy, and those that aren’t earned their wealth virtuously.  But one doesn’t have to be wealthy to be greedy.  In fact, today’s Democrats (and dorks like Scarborough) make it a point to turn covetousness into a virtue.  In fact, they’ve managed to turn coveting into a high art form, such as when certain people claim Jesus was a community organizer or preached what is called social justice through coercive taxation.  These were never taught by God, whether He be the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit.

Taxation, in and of itself, is not stealing or a violation of the Commandments.  Taxation in order to satisfy those people coveting what others have is a violation of at least two.  Those who call themselves Christians and claim believe in preaching that it is ok to covet what wealthy people have are the ones subverting Christianity, not conservatives who preach personal responsibility.

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The point Joe misses is government’s involvement. Conservatives give much more to charity than liberals. And Joe wonders why conservatives don’t take him seriously.

Really Colby? Is that why conservatives and christians give more to charity then any group? A few years ago a liberal professor did research on the topic and found much to his amazement that this is true. He almost appologized to his fellow liberals about the results. There are so many projects going today charitable contributions. What part of that is counted in “fair share.” And they should continue doing it.

Steve, you can’t make your argument without interjecting a strawman.
Now, take out the strawman and just deal with the facts.
The government has the right to tax. Your beef is poor people getting some of that tax money.

You don’t know anyones heart but that doesn’t stop you from being proud enough to think that you do.

I love how all the right-wingers are like, “JESUS MEANT FOR CHARITY AND NOT FORCED!” 
Well… I know this wasn’t forced but if you wanted to get into the ‘kingdom of heaven’ I believe you listen to Jesus Christ: 

“Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, “You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.” Mark 10:21-22

You right-wingers aren’t going to heaven. NOW WHAT?! *drops the mic and walks off*

“Scarborough’s comments are a breath of fresh air, regardless of one’s
belief’s in Christianity and understanding of the current political
landscape. Kudos to him for bravely wading into a very muddied river of
dogma and political rhetoric, and coming out relatively clean by simply
reminding many on the right about taking care of the poor.”

 Indeed. This recitation of a tired lefty cliche is a true breath of fresh air. I always find it amusing when liberal media types characterize Democratic talking points as good old common sense we can all get behind. Makes me yearn for Colby’s epic spin job vis a vis L’Affaire Weiner.     

your boring me. move along

boring me. “Good” Lt. move along

Jesus is definitely out of your life!

Jesus would like you to be honest!

yawn…. move along.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

WOW, what a tirade

Unfortunately, you should know my comment was directed
to “JOE Scarborough”, not you lower case joe.

Until I read your dramatic interpretation, I didn’t even know you exist.

Jesus is a Socialist!

proof reading the bible?. ok, you’re excused.

This moron calls himself a conservative don’t make me laugh. How is it on msnbc they all become drones? He wrote a book last year I think I would love to know how many he sold. I am sick and tired of Joe everyday there is something else.. This guy is just as dumb as Mica and their guests. Nothing like scrapping the bottom of the barrel. 

The Liberal Progressives don’t believe in Jesus or God.  They use Jesus and God as a talking point and a weapon against the Religious people in this country.

Conservatives routinely give more money and aid to charities than Liberals do.

“TMP”

“We give, we give…. see there is this chart that clearly says we give.”

I’m always fond of the sudden  relevance of scripture in the public sphere when its used as cudgel for beating conservatives.

That’s funny, since your profile says you have posted 3143 comments at Mediaite, and only have 3073 likes. 

Maybe if the right wasn’t such an easy target for mockery, “Reverend Joe” would leave them alone.

Amen!

Now there’s a point  we’ve never heard made before!

*Picks up the mic*

I love how Kayne West, Russell Simmons, Micheal Moore, Harry Belefonte and many other left-winger state their love for the poor.  Yet, will they sell what they own?  No, they covet their possessions, and worse yet, they covet their neighbor’s possessions.

“So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”
 - Revelation 3:16

You left-wingers aren’t going to heaven.  NOW WHAT?!

*Drops the mic and walks off*

You obviously haven’t read Joe’s posts. What a hypocrite.

Jon Huntsman, Sr.

Why do you assume that just other presidents aren’t doing things for charity simply because they’re not giving interviews about it?

I’d wager that it’s for the same reason that you reduce all objections to nationalized health care and tax raises as being motivated by a disregard for the poor (especially strange since the it’s the  POOR who already receive both Medicaid and SSI)

You do it because it’s easy, simple-minded, and opportunistic.

So you’ve got nothing, then? Aside from trying to lie about what the Bible says, which…

Stay out of lightning storms is all I’m sayin’.

Well, if you add up all the “likes” The Real Royal Emperor has given himself under the myriad of different screen names he uses at Mediaite, it easily adds up to 10,000. 

What with flying to France last week anf flying to Vegas this week, and posting at all hours in between…. he’s a busy boy….

Just putting aside the fact  that your point is bad theology, how are we to interpret any of your remarks as being anything other than an indictment of all capitalists of every political stripe and an argument for a theocracy?

*picks up mic and smacks you with it in the face*
That’s what your father got last night but not with a mic.
Ah I kid, i kid.

So in order to help the poor, you need to get rid of all of your money? How does that make any sense? I could be rich and yet still think, “Hey. We need to help those who NEED IT and not the billionaires who need that ‘loophole and tax break.’” Unfortunately I’m not rich, I am a college kid who is poor and going into over $100,000 in student loan debt. If I become rich, I won’t give up all of my money. I earned the money and I kind of NEED IT to live? However will I stop fighting for those who aren’t as fortunate as me? No. There is people (as I saw at #OccupyBoston) that have two degrees and get denied hundreds of jobs because they are either “over-qualified” or “under-qualified.” I saw someone who is living on the streets because he kept getting denied a job because of his Aspergers. A college kid has two parents who were working at wall street before the recession. Once it hit, their division got fired. The top guys of their division walked away with MILLIONS while the rest of the other 99% of them getting fired. His parents can’t find a job and might lose their home. This is a terrible, TERRIBLE country we live in. Capitalism is terrible. You can tell me, “Oh well you are using an iMac so you are promoting capitalism! Without capitalism we will fail!” Well in the 1800′s, the south got most of their wealth from using… SLAVES! I think we can both agree that it was fucked up back then. And guess what, capitalism today is fucked up. I will ALWAYS help the poor. That’s not me being a progressive or a leftist or a socialist. That’s just being a good human being. Unfortunately I can’t call you the same thing.

Oh and by the way, we all aren’t going to heaven because God doesn’t fucking exist. NOW WHAT?!

*drops the mic and walks off*

Well, if there’s anything to be gained by these arguments it is for Glenn Beck. 

He is certainly right in saying that Democrats have an almost horny affinity for communism.

Just based upon the affirmations we’ve seen here today, I think I owe Beck an apology.

I’d love to see where in the Bible Jesus says that being a good Christian entails stealing from other people with government deadly force and acting as if it’s your own charity.

They do have the right to tax, clearly outlined in the Constitution.  What those taxes are for, except for certain criteria, is certainly up for debate.

“You don’t know anyones heart but that doesn’t stop you from being proud enough to think that you do.”

Clearly you haven’t read Joe’s posts.   

“While you kept it, didn’t it remain your own? After it was sold, wasn’t it in your power?”

Doesn’t even sound like Democratic Socialism now does it.

What’s Mika’s view on this subject?? Oh, that’s right, Joe never allows Mika to get a word in edgewise!!

“We don’t give, we want to give your money… see there is this chart that clearly says we don’t give.” 
LMFAO!

Try not to drink before you post. You probably won’t make sense anyway,
but it least your rhetoric won’t sound quite so much like an angry
drunk.  

I suppose you and Joe would like us to send the money in care of you and Joe – to be certain we send same, and you’ll make sure it gets to the right place. lol

You gave that post an A+?  Are you that insane?  Perhaps you should send out bulk e-mails stating that you can “prove” we haven’t given our fair share and blah blah…..

Honestly, I know you’re one brick short of a load and now everyone else in here knows it also.

Plus, I am not sure J was calling for billions of waste, fraud, abuse, overpay, underwork by the gov to “help” the poor, which by all those taxing makes life more expensive to the poor.

 Do you have a degree in theology, Emperor? I think not, so who are you to judge a layman’s correctness on an issue of faith? One might say, do to the disparity in giving between conservatives and liberals, that he is utterly wrong.We freely give, you freely take.
 We must also not forget Thessalonians 3:10 “He that shall not work, neither shall he eat”, meaning that his understanding of eccelsiology (sic) is incorrect. But anyone with even a passing knowledge of the Bible would recognize this, so I am unsurprised you did not.

This is BS.  The bible isn’t asking the government to take care of the poor but individuals.  And those on the right are the most charitable of all.  http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

Now religious intolerance, which is at the heart of Jeffries idiocy, is another story.

In other words – again you were just spewing radical left b.s. and got called on it.  
What a loser.  

Do you have any idea when Christians became Christians? lol
seriously, you want to call people dumbass (yelling at them no less)

*Doesn’t pick up the mic, instead punches you in the face and knocks you on your fat ass*
Ha-ha, but maybe I’m kidding…

I am also a college student, who grow up in East Chicago (public schools).  I now attend a high-end and expensive engineering school, and will also owe allot of money.  Except for Paris Hilton and the Kardashians most people who are rich, got there by working hard and taking a big financial risk – like we are now.  Most of my former classmates had little interest in their future, and they will pay the price.  Also, making bad decisions about what major to take has a role in success or failure.  I haven’t even completed my degree, yet offers for summer internships at this university are still fairly steady.  Although it is a terrible time to try and enter the job market.  It is a reflection of the needs and skill sets this 21st century society requires and not some form of slavery – whatever university you attend isn’t worth it and you should ask for a refund.  Capitalism always has winners and losers, but what do you plan to replace it with?  Every other system of economics has failed.

And since you don’t believe in a god, STFU about religion – Using a persons private believes to attack them with is disgusting.

*Slaps you in the face, then throws the mic at your empty head*

what would you like us to check about it?

@yahoo-XEFRKNJR6WJ5WQ6KNPH2OEY2LU:disqus ,
 
You say I don’t know anyone’s heart and it doesn’t stop me from being proud enough to think that you do.  You’re projecting.  That’s because you claim I have a beef beef with poor people getting tax money; in fact, I didn’t say anything about it all.  Maybe you should re-read my comment to understand what I’m talking about.
 
My issue is with Scarborough and those leftist Democrats (but I repeat myself) who claim to know Jesus’ point about the poor.  They don’t and for the reasons I mentioned in my previous comment.
 
Besides, I didn’t interject any strawman.  Obama’s class warfare schtick is nothing more than him encouraging people to covet what others have earned, and he will help facilitate it by using the power of government to take it.  That isn’t taxation; it’s theft.

 No, it wasn’t “to all”. To quote Matthew: “do not cast what is holy to dogs, or throw pearls before swine”, meaning very simply some people are judged unworthy (by the Father) to even bother with. So saying the “Great Commission” was to all is erroneous to the point of blasphemy, as you take the judging away from God and replace it with a false equality.
 As far as Christ demanding, or God himself demanding anything; this again is false. If you wish to be in harmony with God, you will (of your own accord, and without coercion) freely begin to lay down those things that separate you from Him, and give charitably to those in need. These things are never demanded by God, nor does He demand you even believe in Him. It is simply “Faith without works is empty”, and most Christians want that faith to be as full as their own hearts.

 Please quote scripture to prove your point. 

It’s so amazing that liberals become such biblical scholars every time it suits their needs.

Such the Christian minister thing to do.  LMAO!

Hey Joe, the right is also forced to watch you tout your bible with the left, while the left aborts all the “inconvenient” life they wish.

I doubt a lot of Republicans read the bible, but they like wrapping themselves in the American flag and carrying the bible around.  They’re Christian for two hours they’re in church and that’s about it.   

lol
You’ve been exposed.  Your logic sounded good in the john – but written down, ahhh you flunked.

You are not talking about charity at all – you’re talking about redistribution of wealth.  lol
You’re too dumb to know the difference.

Don’t covet what isn’t yours.  

Your communist buddies on here – who don’t believe in God, and certainly not in Christ – you want to preach to them.  We believers sure the heck don’t need any lectures from an atheist.  

You don’t seem to understand that charity is freely given.  It’s not for you or anyone else to decide how much someone else should give.  It’s not for you to decide that since I have more than you do – it’s my moral obligation to abide by “edicts” that you think you have the right to dictate.  You decide, you really can’t afford to give anything, but you know I sure can.  Really, you know all this, and it works for you and therefore it should become the law of the land.

Try Cuba – they’d love your logic (not the people, just the dictator)

 Perhaps we need to elect a pastor, then, instead of a politician? What about that old chestnut separating Church and State? 
 Individuals are responsible for individual actions, no one is corporately saved (though God has seen fit, on several occasions, to corporately punish) so to suggest that we are a “corporate Christian Nation” does nothing to further your point. Israel was full of those chosen by God, yet they were nearly annihilated by the Babylonians, the Romans and the Germans. Do we punish all Germans for the actions of the worst of them? Do we bless all Romans though many were terrible?
 Christ acts through the individual, not the group. 

Even if you do say, “Jehovah!”

This article is so sad.

It’s CHRISTIAN to GIVE.

It’s NOT CHRISTIAN to STEAL.

Replace GIVE with STEAL/STOLE and you have the current gangster mindset.

For I was hungry, and you STOLE something for me to eat. I was thirsty, and you STOLE me something to drink. I was a stranger and you FORCED MY WAY INTO A HOUSE. I needed clothes and you STOLE CLOTHES FOR me. I was sick and YOU STOLE HEALTH CARE FOR ME.

This is a true perversion of the message. And it’s so sad we’re this morally inept.

We should GIVE to those in need. Not steal from others on their behalf!

We might be “discusting” (sic) and traitor’s?  lol
Seriously, traitor?  Cause I won’t give you my money willingly, I’m a traitor.  I figured we lived in a civilized society that I’m paying more than my fair share for – but I’m still a traitor.  

Mind explaining that brilliant statement?

You might be happier back in school.  A little remedial spelling wouldn’t hurt you at all.  Might even help you get a job.  

3.68%–of income was given to the children of fallen troops as scholarships or as aid to severely injured soldiers, Meanwhile hannity gets to travel on a G5 private jet.

 And if you are looking for a reasoning behind compulsory taxation, also look elsewhere.

What the hell do you mean a charlatan there fella?  He paid good money for his Rev. ($100) – Only in America would we refer to an idiot who bought a Rev title on line as Reverend.  Seriously, how stupid is that?  

 Perhaps you can show, through available statistics, that the “Rightists” give less freely of themselves than Liberals? If not, than your argument is as thin as your understanding of God.

 National crimes will not damn a righteous man, or do you not remember Lot and his family, or perhaps Noah? And a callous individual takes without asking. A goodly man gives without asking. Liberals are what?

(on his own dime) – you seemed to have forgotten that part.  Hannity pays his own way.  He doesn’t get paid for any of the work he does for the charity.  Check it out – and I will be waiting for your apology.

 There is no Caesar in this country; we are supposed to be our own men, with the free will to give, or not, as we choose.

 What IS the popes stance on Abortion? Can one even take communion while acting against the rock-solid belief that life is holy? Wasn’t there a mass excommunication rather recently for this very thing in Nebraska? (Catholics for choice are Catholics no more..)
 If you place politics above your belief in God, you have chosen unwisely.

Jesus would want whatever system or approach, whether through government or otherwise, that would ensure a certain level of dignity and well-being for those in need, regardless of whether their unfortunate circumstances is of their own making. 

I can buy and sell piece of crap like you all day long.

hey goofy
what part of 3% of donations don’t you get?
This is money people wanted to give to wounded soldiers and children. He writes off planes etc and give peanuts to the cause that people have donated to

A reputable charity gives 75% or more to their cause

3%

 Except it is not wealth, per se, but the LUST for wealth that is the sin.

ps – apologize?

I am sorry you are so stupid

 That is not at all the choice, and you know it; otherwise the Pope himself wouldn’t have a miter to call his own. And, as you yourself are “no Christian”, how would you know what will get me in to see my Father?

 More like “give” and “steal” or “Charitable” and “Expropriation”

This would be great if evangelicals ever actually did what was necessary to help the poor.  Instead they donate to churches that will build them private swimming pools and buy their pastors BMWs, and if they’re feeling really, really generous they’ll toss in $10 for some far-away mission in Africa.  All the while ignoring the need in front of their faces.

I’m a social justice Christian — the kind Glenn Beck warns people about — and I see this every day.  There are no more selfish people on earth that the so-called “religious right.” 

I think he died because he was viewed as a threat to the political leadership of that time.  The rest of the story is myth and superstition.

She could learn something if she stayed quiet and listened to Joe as he beats up on both parties, for their stupidly blind ideologies.
That’s what makes him interesting to watch.
Mika, on every topic, is dull and predictable. Her ideologically bent opinions are already well known.  She contributes little – boring.

I agree with most of what you said, but she is the co-host and should have a chance to speak without Joe constantly interrupting her!!

 ”I can buy and sell piece of crap like you all day long.”
http://samvak.tripod.com/journal67.html

LMFAO!

ok.  So you’re suggesting that since evangelicals (in your opinion) don’t sufficiently care for the poor, that the words of Jesus should be re-interpreted to advocate for gov’t run charity?

I’m sorry that the churches you’ve come accross don’t take good enough care of the poor.  The church I attend does a great job.  We provide housing, medical care, dental care, food, and more to the poor in New Orleans and the surrounding area.  Ya know, if you are so dissatisfied, it might be a good idea for you to advocate for more outreach programs in your area….but, I’m sure you’ve already done that since you are so passionate. 

wow 2 people question him

Actually, this is scarborough displaying profound ignorance about Jesus and his message.

What we are commanded to do individually is what Jesus is addressing. Joe, you should go now and give all your wealth to feed the poor. But neither you nor a gang of thieves called govt has the sanction of God to rob from me to feed anyone.

Jesus, this forum is laden with God damned idiots.

So you lie – I point it out, and I’m stupid? lol

How old are you widdle baby?  10?

Since everything you stated about the charity is wrong – go check out your latest stupidity.
3% is put into long term – it is not 3% that goes to charity.

p.s.  check out Bono’s “charity” – and the private plane
        check out the United Way
     

A reputable charity that does not have staff (hired) might be able to run a 75% – otherwise, not so much.

He gives every cent – EVERY CENT to the charity.  He eats his costs bozo.

Honestly, does lying come that easily to you?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=129553

You rest your case on Debbie Schlussel? Good God. I can’t stand him, don’t listen to him, but how come this story went nowhere? 

And born-agin, evangelical Joe knows all about such things!  Don’t he???  Yup, he do.

I enjoy getting under your skin. You make such intelligent remarks when I do.  haha

RINO Joe is full of crap.
Most of the poor get their needs from churches….CHRISTIAN Churches.
Jesus’ message had nothing to do with Obama stealing your money and giving it to others.
Get your messages straight or STFU!!

I was thinking about your insane #’s and it dawned on me where I had seen those allegations before – you’re a debbie talking head (and Lord knows that piece of work lies to stay relevant).  She never forgave Hannity for not inviting her on his show, and tried to smear him.

Perhaps this might clear up your ridiculous accusations:

http://www.frumforum.com/hannitized-is-sanitized

Now, how about that apology.  Since you were spreading lies, I figure that’s the least you can do.

So you’ve sold all your worldly possessions, and thus you’re walking around New York with nothing on but a barrel.  

What did Jesus do with the tax collectors?  Did you read that part of your “condensed version of the bible”?

You are funny. We all love your rants. Please, keep going.

I’m an astronaut!

All I’m saying is save your excuses. You might need them.  eh’  Amigo?

Freedom Alliance’s 2009 Form 990 can be seen here: http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2009/541/411/2009-541411430-06516dad-9.pdf

The 2008 filing is here: http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2008/541/411/2008-541411430-0588be6b-9.pdf

2007 is here: http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2007/541/411/2007-541411430-0445bff5-9.pdf

Widdle Whiner, are you a liar or just an idiot repeating lies?

It’s OK. Joe is an ordained minister. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I’m guessing.

Jesus said:  “Give to God what is God’s, and give to Caesar what is Caesar’s”   He was taking about taxes.  Pure and simple.   
He also said “sell all your possessions, give all your money to the poor to enter the kingdom of Heaven” 

The GOP is against both points. Proving they use the bible to make more money and not follow the principals of Christ.  The above article CLEARLY and CLEANLY points out their hypocrisy.

Yes, Pharisee is the New Testament term for Republican.  Jesus also called them Hypocrites.  People have been been twisting the bible for presonal benefit for centuries.  GOP does it under the guise of politics.  GOP – Greedy Old White Male Party.

Glad to hear that honesty tickles your funny bone.  Keep up the laughs, Lord knows we need them.

First time you started on these boards – you tried to “paint” yourself as a deep thinker.  When that didn’t work, you tried the bully tactics, when that failed – you go for the obvious alinsky crap.  How’s that working for you? lol

What does that $100K+ of debt buy you? What’s your degree in?

Wrong. Jesus would want people to love and care for each other. The only system he wanted is God’s Law to be followed. I don’t recall him saying “Yeah, whatever works. Go ahead, figure something out.”

Apparently reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits.  He quoted your your Bible verbatim you putz. The  dissonance is amazing with you right wing turds. When confronted with indisputable evidence of your stupidity you ignore it and  regurgitate some pathetic talking point you heard on Faux News.

“The Liberal Progressives don’t believe in Jesus or God.”  Not true.  This is a lie.  And the Bible says that shall not lie, so you’ve just violated one of the commandments. 

I’m a liberal.  I’m progressive. I’m Christian.  I AM the religious in this country.  Much more than you.  I work for a nonprofit providing health care to the sick.   (sound familiar?  Jesus did that a lot too).

Second lie.  “Conservatives routinely give more money and aid to charities than Liberals do.”    i donate to charity a lot and volunteer on a routine basis.  Conservatives spend time on shutting down medicaid, medicare, social security, Obamacare, – not donating money.  Don’t believe me? Just look at the voting records of GOP congress members. Anything Charitable takes away from profits, and is shut down.

I disgusts me when people use the bible for their personal monetary gain  or fragile-ego, like this.

The article merely points out that the politicians carry around a bible, but don’t follow much of its message.  True.  Both Republican’s and Democrats do it.  Separate Church and State!  NOW!!.

We were empowered with brains for a reason you dumb MOFO.

 Actually it’s the sheer irony of the Christian conservatives spouting “religious” dogma they don’t even pretend to follow that is amusing

It turns out, ironically enough for those who see it as anti-capitalist, that taking money collected in the form of taxes and giving it to the poor makes good economic sense since the poor actually spend all their money.  The money given by the State to the poor does not stay with the poor.  It goes to shop-keepers, businesses, Walmarts, and ultimately is used to build capital and grow the economy.  

John;  I suppose you could be correct; although Jesus was preaching to all and that’s why the government didn’t want him to be heard… people might expect the government to do the right thing – after all; government is (especially in this country) of the people, by the people for the people.  If corporations have personhood the same I expect is true of government.

some place monetary or worldly goods over serving what God wants us too do. Therefor, we worship that.

I believe Eric, that we are all, including theologians, interpreting what the biblical papers mean… as far as I know none of us were there.

Actually, liberal AND conservative Christians donate about equally.  Secular conservatives are the stingiest.

Liberals also tend to support more causes relating to the Arts while Conservatives definitely donate more blood.

So, it’s more nuanced than you think.  Below is a link (note, the link references a posting from Volokh Conspiracy) regarding the book where the meme you linked from RCP is derived from:

http://stevereuland.blogspot.com/2006/12/who-really-cares-about-arthur-brooks.html

SoThere;

I am guessing that if you take tithing out of the equation that your comment would be wrong about charitable giving.  I am firmly correct when I state that your comment about Liberal Progressives not believing in Jesus or God is completely off base.  They may go about things differently than the conservative; but most believe.  Statistically I have to be right if less than 10% of this country is atheist.

Thank you for your reply. In general Liberal progressives are non believers. The person I was replying to is one of those people.

I didn’t know that Jesus worked for a non profit. Interesting.

It’s a proven fact that Conservatives give more to charity than Liberal Progressives do. Now you are spreading the lies when you state ” Conservatives spend time on shutting down medicaid, medicare, social security, Obamacare, – not donating money.” so you are a liar and a hypocrite. Who is trying to shut down Medicaid, medicare, Social Security? Yes we are trying to shut down Obamacare because of what it will cost everyone in this Nation and the Unconstitutionality of it.

Again you go against your bible by telling more lies. Are you a hypocrite? You spew the leftist talking points but provide no proof of your lies. Typical.

There is no such provision in the Constitution that requires the Separation of Church and State. Please quote it to me.

Stop with the lies seekerboy.

http://oregonactivist.blogspot.com/2008/05/republican-donate-more-to-charity-than.html

http://www.xkaw.com/livelihood/politics_government/?id=2172379

“TMP”

Our founding fathers were not Christians. They were Deists, they include George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, Ethan Allen and Thomas Paine, If those names don’t sound like our “Founding Fathers” please go to your local library and research the founding of America. Thomas Paine’s “The Age Of Reason”, Thomas Jefferson’s version of the Bible.
You’ll notice that it has the ‘miracles take out” they didn’t believe in the “supernatural nature of Christ”.
The “Enlightenment Philosophy” of the late 18th Century.

Deism  in the philosophy of religion is the standpoint that reason and observation of the natural world, without the need for organized religion, can determine that the universe is a creation and has a creator. Furthermore, the term often implies that this supreme being does not intervene in human affairs or suspend the natural laws of the universe. Deists typically reject supernatural events such as prophecy and miracles, tending to assert that a god (or “the Supreme Architect”) does not alter the universe by (regularly or ever) intervening in the affairs of human life. This idea is also known as the Clockwork universe theory, in which a god designs and builds the universe, but steps aside to let it run on its own. Deists believe in the existence of a god without any reliance on revealed religion, religious authority or holy books. Two main forms of deism currently exist: classical deism and modern deism.

The earliest known usage in print of the English term “deist” is 1621, and “deism” is first found in a 1675 dictionary. Deism became more prominent in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment — especially in Britain, France, Ireland and North America — mostly among those raised as Christians who found they could not believe in supernatural miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity, but who did believe in one God. The Founding Fathers of the United States were heavily influenced by Enlightenment philosophies, and it is generally believed that many of them were deists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

However, the present crop of the GOP/TP wouldn’t even give a second look if Jesus stopped by the US today. You need to remember he would be Olive colored skin, somewhat like the Hispanics. The group that many “Southern Baptist” States have decided to put restrictions on, Alabama’s education law, where a child must have his “American” Citizenship proven. Hell,4 of my Aunts & Uncles couldn’t have gotten in…they were born at home. Even though that branch of my family came to America in the early 1700′s. On my mother side they arrived in 1634 and were given 1000 acres across the river from Jamestown by the King of England.

imnotblue  are you?  and I’m not a  phony recruiter.  are you?

Liberal Progressives have shown their hatred for Christians throughout the Media and internet. Most of those Atheists are Liberal Progressives. Thanks for the statistic. I’m sure that there are some Liberals who believe in god but most do not. I don’t consider the Earth God or the Marijuana God in my statement.

Have a nice day.

“TMP”

Liberal Progressives have shown their hatred for Christians throughout the Media and internet. Most of those Atheists are Liberal Progressives. Thanks for the statistic. I’m sure that there are some Liberals who believe in god but most do not. I don’t consider the Earth God or the Marijuana God in my statement.

Have a nice day.

“TMP”

It’s working fine for me. I love your responses. as do most of us   so  please,  don’t let me stop you…haha

Now, I’m not sure but I hear a 2012Freedom ring……

“He quoted your your Bible verbatim you putz.”

Apparently reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits.  When confronted with indisputable evidence of your stupidity you ignore
it and regurgitate some pathetic talking point you heard on MSNBC.

Please remember Eric “Ivan the Terrible” Cantor is a Jew, not a Christian. Ivan is his real middle name. I also believe that it is possible that Cantor has the same illness that the Czar had, Mercury poisoning, which is what made him “mad’.

I like playing xfire too but please don’t make me do extra work.

Ouch!

Well he was quoting from bible, so I give him the benefit of doubt that he speaks with knowledge.

“No, it wasn’t “to all”. To quote Matthew: “do not cast what is holy to dogs, or throw pearls before swine”, meaning very simply some people are judged unworthy (by the Father) to even bother with.”

So you’re interpreting that (“very simply”) to saying the poor are equal to dogs and swine and therefore are not to be bothered with?

Pointing out the contradictions between the teachings of one religious leader and the people who claim to follow his teachings isn´t an argument for a theocracy. Odd conclusion of yours.

Well, is it my fault now that Jesus Christ was an anti-capitalist and preached all the time against materialism?

So, blame Jesus Christ, not me. Could very well be I am more pro capitalism than him.

Jesus, we are talking about Jesus here.

There are many kooks who believe the Bible is the basis of the Constitution. In fact, some think that God actually wrote the original Constitution. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/10/all-patriots-know-that-moses-wrote-the-constitution/65353/ The instructor leading the discussion referenced in that link is Lester Pearce, a Justice of the Peace in Arizona, and brother of Russell Pearce, sponsor of SB1070, and the state Sentae president who was recently recalled.

And when the religious kooks say we’re a “Christian nation” they’re implying that our guiding principles are rooted in the bible. And, in fact, they are not.

No wonder so many liberals are unbelievers.

Who needs God when you can judge all that from a blog post.

Exactly…

Read it again, hosehead. It says “You clothed me” and “You fed me”
It says nothing about “you stole food and gave it tto me”….”you raided Macy’s and clothed me”
It is right in front of your face and you can’t see it.
Instead you try to ridicule others.
Typical liberal retard.
Bet you went to Harvard or some other brainwashing school where you are programmed to be a good little liberal and wear your brown shirt with pride.
Moron.

When you vote for a politician whom you know will not use tax dollars to help the poor, then you as an individual have made your choice. You choose not to help the poor.

The difference between Pablo and Jesus is that Pablo believes anyone who’s poor is merely lazy and doesn’t want to work. Jesus would have helped those same people until they were able to work again.

Wait, was Jesus a liberal?

Oh I so overwhelmed with your superior knowledge. Now go back to your trailer and beat your wife some more. Hope you are in Topeka. They won’t prosecute you for it.

 Then you would not say someones “interpretation” was 100 percent correct, would you? 

“Jesus said: “Give to God what is God’s, and give to Caesar what is Caesar’s” He was taking about taxes. Pure and simple.
He also said “sell all your possessions, give all your money to the poor to enter the kingdom of Heaven”

Did Jesus expect Caesar to give that money to the poor? I doubt it. Jesus expected the individual to take care of each other not the Government (“sell all your possessions, give all your money to the poor to enter the kingdom of Heaven” ). Do you see the contradiction in your thinking seekerboy?

“TMP”

 Can you read Pablo’s mind? I see no evidence; nor do you provide any for your accusation. So I challenge you to find where Pablo said the “poor are merely lazy”, which describes your argument style.

“Jesus said: “Give to God what is God’s, and give to Caesar what is Caesar’s” He was taking about taxes. Pure and simple.
He also said “sell all your possessions, give all your money to the poor to enter the kingdom of Heaven”

Did Jesus expect Caesar to give that money to the poor? I doubt it. Jesus expected the individual to take care of each other not the Government (“sell all your possessions, give all your money to the poor to enter the kingdom of Heaven” ). Do you see the contradiction in your thinking seekerboy? Jesus was talking about the power of the individual, not the power of the Government.

“TMP”

 And before any soft-headed leftists remind me of Jesus saying “Give unto Caesar” tell me, in our republic, who Caesar is? If none exists, do not use the verse as a template. When you say “sell all your possessions” which chapter, verse and book is that? You misquote. The proper quote ” If you want to be perfect, sell your possessions (not all) and GIVE to the poor (give, not compulsory).
 Do not misquote scripture to me and then expect your subterfuge to go unnoticed. Allow me to point out your Hypocrisy, Seekerboy, by saying that Republicans give to the poor in larger measure than do liberals. If there is greed, it is not those who freely give, it is those who live there life by taking from others and not earning.  

“Conservatives routinely give more money and aid to charities than Liberals do”

Is the 10% you’re “encouraged” to give to your church really charity? I would say that in most cases, no, it isn’t.

Thank you for your reply.

Your reply doesn’t refute the facts. Nice try.

“TMP”

When a average person speaks of Jesus and bible, it is a wonderful blessed event. When it’s a “tea” it seems different!

For a “tea” to qoute the bible and opinion on this site, then act and speak in the manner they do,… confirms the “hypocrisy” of their actions!

Comparing taxes to stealing is already pretty ridiculous.

Jesus also told people to pay their taxes. I’ll let you decide how he might have felt about programs to help the poor vs a gigantic military budget.

That’s not necessarily true. People can oppose what they see as wasteful inefficient federal programs and still willingly support local charities and even be personally involved.

Put your hand down. We recognized you right away.

Put your hand down. We recognized you right away.

So large private charities are also evil and people who give to them are throwing their money away? We shouldn’t have organized charities and fund raising , but just give whatever we feel like on a personal level? Is that it?

Right, it has to do with meeting the needs, more than , the approved of method. I’m, totally in favor of private charities taking care of those in need and replacing every government program. Of course if they’re not doing that, we might have to think of something else.

The whole , taxes and programs = stealing is a huge fail of logic.

There was a famous republican who called us a government of the people, foe the people and by the people. So citizens deciding to help their fellow citizens is not stealing.
There’s nothing morally incorrect about helping the poor through our government , than there is any charity we donate to.

It’s Mark 12:17

It kinda seems like self defense.

No, they covet their possessions, and worse yet, they covet their neighbor’s possessions.

When mega corporations and banks buy our elected officials and create policies that shift even more of the wealth in their direction, are they coveting others possessions?

Capitalism always has winners and losers, but what do you plan to replace it with?  Every other system of economics has failed.

  Maybe a more balanced , fairly regulated far less corrupt form of capitalism? I was reading some MLKjr today that seems appropriate.
“The movement must address itself to the
question of restructuring the whole of American society. There are forty
million poor people here. And one day we must ask the question, Why are
there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask
that question, you are raising questions about the economic system,
about a broader distribution of wealth. When you ask that question, you
begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that
more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole
society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life’s
marketplace. But one day we must come to see that an edifice which
produces beggars needs restructuring. It means that questions must be
raised. You see, my friends, when you deal with this, you begin to ask
the question, Who owns the oil? You begin to ask the question, Who owns
the iron ore? You begin to ask the question, Why is it that people have
to pay water bills in a world that is two-thirds water? These are
questions that must be asked.”"We have a task and let us go out with a
divine dissatisfaction. Let us be dissatisfied until America will no
longer have a high blood pressure of creeds and an anemia of deeds. Let
us be dissatisfied until the tragic walls that separate the outer city
of wealth and comfort and the inner city of poverty and despair shall be
crushed by the battering rams of the forces of justice. ”

and perhaps my fav in today’s political atmosphere
““Communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life
is social, and the Kingdom of Brotherhood is found neither in the
thesis of Communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher
synthesis.”

And since you don’t believe in a god, STFU about religion – Using a persons private beliefs to attack them with, is disgusting.

  since people tend to wave their Bibles to justify their stance on policies that affect us all, they are no longer private beliefs and deserve to be challenged.

Talk to Charley Rangel and Jeffrey Immelt about not paying taxes, you dickwad……this thread ain’t about paying taxes. It’s about charity.
Geezus!!…..Liberals are so friggin’ stupid.
And taxes (according to The Constitution) are technically  illegal since the 16th Amendment was never ratified.
Therefore…it is stealing.
WAKE UP…..Useful idiots.

“By the standards of the world, there literally are almost no poor people in America.”
So you really think poverty isn’t a big problem in the U.S.? Wow, that would explain some of your comments. You might consider reading “There are no Children Here” for a bit of an eye opener. It was written a while ago, but is at least as relevant today as it was then, maybe more so.

As for Jesus being only concerned with his chosen people, try retracing the parable of TheGood Samaritan:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Good_Samaritan

……Ed Schultz overdose……
D.O.A.

Do not confuse my defense of capitalism, as a defense of the big banks.
I am well aware of their activities – better than most on this board.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/62489609/Allstate-vs-Goldman-Sachs-complaint.

And give me some time to respond to your other comment, I’m currently working on some homework.
But, your serious comment – deserves a serious reply.

Those who call themselves Christians and claim believe in preaching that
it is ok to covet what wealthy people have are the ones subverting
Christianity, not conservatives who preach personal responsibility.

That’s a very valid point. No doubt there are some looking for a free ride or think it’s justified to just take from those who have more than enough, but IMO, that’s far from the main message. Look at the verse Joe is quoting. Jesus didn’t say “Stop whining and pull yourself up by your own bootstraps” or, “You’re in jail and it’s your own dam fault, nobody owes you jack”
The other part is the people who called Jesus Lord, recognized who he was, but were cast out because of their lack of taking care of the needs of those with less. From James;
If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?

There’s the old give a man a fish, or teach a man to fish. saying. Are you going to let the guy go hungry until he catches his own fish? Will you give him a pole to fish with, and make it easier for him to find the lake?

The problem people are complaining about is the lack of opportunity and/or the great inequity in opportunity because of the marriage of the wealthy and elected officials, and policies that make it harder and harder for the average person to even maintain a respectable minimum. 

Jesus said give your money to the poor, He did not say give your money to the government and let them distribute it the way they see fit.
I know so many Christian who not only give their money to the poor but they also give their time. I would like to invite you to all the places that our church alone goes to help out with the poor. If i could I would love to pull our records to show you what we give for the year. We are just one family in one church. now times that with the millions of Churches throughout the country.

The government does not even teach about Christ and his message.
In fact they took Him out of school and everything that is government related. So why do they think they can come in and tell us we as Christians are not a giving people.

Do you want to know who really gives more.
Well check out this article from REAL CLEAR POLITICS on who really gives more of their money, time and blood to charities.

Conservatives More Liberal Givers
http:Z//www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

If libs gave like conservatives maybe we would have no poor!
The only thing Libs are good at giving is other people’s money.

Here are more articles on how conservative give more then Libs.

New York Times
Bleeding Heart Tightwads
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

Casting Stones
http://blog.beliefnet.com/castingstones/2008/04/conservatives-give-more-to-cha.html

Common Wealth Institute
Book Says Conservatives Give More than Liberals
http://blog.commonwealinstitute.org/2007/03/book_says_conservatives_give_m_1.html?q=CIBlog/2007/03/book_says_conservatives_give_m_1.html

I think the left as individuals misses Jesus’ point about the poor!

Jesus said give your money to the poor, He did not say give your money to the government and let them distribute it the way they see fit.
I know so many Christian who not only give their money to the poor but they also give their time. I would like to invite you to all the places that our church alone goes to help out with the poor. If i could I would love to pull our records to show you what we give for the year. We are just one family in one church. now times that with the millions of Churches throughout the country.

The government does not even teach about Christ and his message.
In fact they took Him out of school and everything that is government related. So why do they think they can come in and tell us we are not a giving people.

Do you want to know who really gives more.
Well check out this article from REAL CLEAR POLITICS on who really gives more of their money, time and blood to charities.

Conservatives More Liberal Givers
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

If libs gave like conservatives maybe we would have no poor!
The only thing Libs are good at giving is other people’s money.

Here are more articles on how conservative give more then Libs.

New York Times
Bleeding Heart Tightwads
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

Casting Stones
http://blog.beliefnet.com/castingstones/2008/04/conservatives-give-more-to-cha.html

Common Wealth Institute
Book Says Conservatives Give More than Liberals
http://blog.commonwealinstitute.org/2007/03/book_says_conservatives_give_m_1.html?q=CIBlog/2007/03/book_says_conservatives_give_m_1.html

I think the left as individuals have missed jesus’ point about the poor!

Also watch this John Stossell report on who gives more.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_UptfxPLBI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_UptfxPLBI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_UptfxPLBI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Our you could give it to the government and and let them loose it on a gamble like Solyndra.
There are a lot of amazing charities in every city. Why don’t you pick one to volunteer at so you can see how your money is being spent. It will not only make you a better person but it may change your whole attitude!

The problem with this argument is citizens are having the decision made for them on helping the poor. When this happens it no longer is a government of the people, for the people or by the people. It’s a dictatorship saying this is the way it is going to be and you will except it as it is.
And with that we lose our freedom! With a charity I have a choice (voice) on who I want to give to.

And who are you to make this observation. Show me some data or a study anything to prove your point.

Watch this John Stossel report on who gives more.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_UptfxPLBI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_UptfxPLBI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_UptfxPLBI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It ain’t about taxes? Then what the hell was the stealing you were talking about? Were you referring to taxes?   And besides, yes you were. Trade in your insults for some common sense.

I;m not knocking charities in any way shape or form. I admire the work they do. Most of the time. I’m just knocking what I consider to be a fallacious argument. There is nothing inherently wrong or negative about government programs to help the poor, any more than one of many large charities.

I’m against government waste as much as anyone. I am pretty tired of hearing Solyndra brought up as if that kind of thing didn’t happen tenfold in the previous admin. Let’s judge both parties by one standard as much as possible shall we.

No it absolutely isn’t a dictatorship. A government of the people doesn’t mean each individual gets to designate where his tax dollars go. It means our elected officials vote, and if we don’t like the way they vote we vote them out. That’s your voice.

>> “Scarborough’s comments are a breath of fresh air, regardless of one’s
belief’s in Christianity and understanding of the current political
landscape. Kudos to him for bravely wading into a very muddied river of
dogma and political rhetoric, and coming out relatively clean by simply
reminding many on the right about taking care of the poor.”

Boy, this is a busy typing night. I just got done putting up a post about how ridiculously thick Tommy Christopher spreads bullsh*t in the “Columnist” section — so much so that it’s like manure, and we could all plant seeds on our screens and actually grow things — and now I find Colby Hall laying it down even THICKER. I guess they’re working as a tag team, hoping to nab a farming subsidy from Obama!

As I said in the Christopher post — GIVE ME A BREAK. The notion that Scarborough is giving a “breath of fresh air” is a totally condescending remark towards anyone who is Right-leaning, which becomes an all-out slap to the face with Hall’s petty conclusion that somehow those on the Right likewise need “reminding about the poor.”

To which I simply say this — Colby, please feel free to kneel down behind me at any time…pucker your lips nice and pretty…at which point you’re welcome to KISS MY ASS. No one needs “reminding” about the poor. Statistics actually show that those who lean Right are actually LARGER givers of donations than those on the Left — and that’s a cold, hard fact. And that’s because, in the end, it’s just a matter of WHERE you give your money or to WHOM.

Ultimately, those on the Right tend to feel DIRECT contributions to things like churches or private organizations are best since they tend to be immediate and more efficiently run, while those on the Left cling to their idiotic and delusional beliefs that the government is best at flushing money away…oops, I meant best at helping the poor!

Bottom line: just because I prefer to give my money to my local church or food bank to help the poor in my neighborhood…as OPPOSED to giving it to bleeding heart Libs like you or Obama, who’ll piss it away on some lame-ass social engineering project…doesn’t make you a better person or better Christian than me.

Instead — just like Scarborough — it just proves that you’re an arrogant, smug elitist who THINKS you know how to better spend my own money than me.

Well, here’s a news flash for you, buddy — YOU DON’T.

Rev. Joe sets it up wrong, too: “…[W]ho is getting to heaven? How do we sit on the right hand of the father?” Nope, those words aren’t there. Neither is  his strangely alternate explanation: “That was Jesus talking about, when asked, what His ministry was about. It was about taking care of the poor.”

For the record JC says “the least of these my brethren,” & he defines this elsewhere. I don’t believe there are any examples of him & his mean taking up collections for the poor either.

Had this come from the Right, we’d still be hearing shrill, repeated parrot-calls of “Separation of church & state!”

Dam it, now I have a craving for halibut.

*LOL* If that’s all you can find then the answer is no, it doesn’t say that anywhere.

It says pay your taxes. Isn’t that what all your colorful language meant? The difference is the Jews didn’t get to vote on the taxes imposed on them by the Romans.

Notice Jesus NEVER addressed the “Left”?  Where are the “Left”?
In my left hand youth I took 2 years of Latin.  In Latin which is the basis of most languages the word for “Left” is “Sinister”!  No kidding!  As a result with every reference to “Left” and “Right” the Bible and discussions of God was NEVER at the “LEFT” hand of God!
But on the “RIGHT”!!!  

Stealing from other people with the government’s loaded gun pointed at their head isn’t paying taxes, dumbass.

Again I laugh at you because you completely and utterly failed. Maybe if you’d bothered to actually READ the friggin’ bible instead of doing a search for “taxes in the bible” on Google and copy and pasting the first thing that came, you wouldn’t look like such an ass — especially since my comment isn’t about taxes.

The right only cares about themselves they ignore the Bible when comes to others.

Dan

I must have misunderstood your post then. Please tell me exactly what you think is stealing and the governments loaded gun is?  I should have asked a direct question before assuming anything. My apologies.

I’ve done a considerable amount of reading in the Bible as well as studying the it’s history and the history of Christianity. That’s why fallacious arguments about what the Bible does or does not say about helping the poor annoy the hell out of me.Now that we’re even on incorrect assumptions, please explain.

Interpreting the Bible without reference to the context around it,  nor without understanding what the main purpose of why the Father sent Jesus Christ to this world  & moreover what the results of regeneration by the Holy Spirit manifests in the believer is certainly shown by the comments of many here. Confusion reigns!

The basis
of the message by Jesus was to differentiate the fact that he was not concerned
with taxes but instead with our souls.

The
futility of using Christ’s message by Joe is a political stunt, nothing more. The
Constitution does not call for taxation for the purpose of helping the poor. In
fact the Founding Fathers intended for such things to not be held by the
Federal Government. Thomas Jefferson stated, “If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the
people under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy.”
He also stated that ‎”When all government, domestic
and foreign, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the
center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one
government on another, and will become as venal and oppressive as the
government from which we separated.”

The Founders gave great care to try and
keep this stuff to the states and the people themselves. They would even
comment that the powers of the Federal government were finite and those of the
states were infinite.

If people did, as some of you are
declaring, sell off all their possessions and all the rich gave away all their
money we would be in a worst predicament than we are now. The poor do not hire
the poor. They do not put food on the tables of others and they do not put
roofs over your heads.

Instead of being envious of what others
have you should be making your own roads to enrichment and leaching off the
backs of others. Do not blame me for your unhappiness, and do not put it on my
back. I work hard enough trying to see to the happiness of my family and I give
what I can to the community…to include 23 years of my life in military
service. What I earn is my own, and I give what I can because I am a free man
who does not need nor want the leviathan (government) telling me how to live my
life.

I am as true a liberal as they come. I
believe in limited government, just as the Founders of this country did. I
believe the individual is more powerful and better equipped to care for himself
and his family than the community is. I believe that matters of marriage and
religion are not the concerns of the government, and that they should instead
stay out of it. I do not need them to validate my personal life, and I do not
need government to mandate to me what I should buy and how I should live. Tax
me for what government can give equal protection under the law for, but do not
tax me because your morality says we should do this. I have a Church and a
State which can do that already, and they are better suited for it than this leviathan
of a Federal government, with all its waste and power groping.

The Bible is clear that salvation, “being saved from your sins” does not have anything to do with your works. It’s all about what Jesus did on the Cross. He paid the penalty for sin there. Joe makes it sound like you get to Heaven by the verse he quotes. He is taking it out of context. Jesus is talking to people who will be living shortly before His return to Earth. Those people who are good to the Jewish people when the world turns against them will be the ones who will go into the physical Kingdom of Jesus Christ when He returns. Again, personal salvation is not involved. Paul said in Ephesians 2:8 that we are saved by grace through faith and not by works.