There is no conflict of interest here Martel. Libertarians believe if the US Constitution, and a limited government as the founders intended. One of the roles of the federal government is to protect our borders. This is actually one of their jobs, and responsibilities. If the fail to do their job, then the states must do it. I see no conflict between libertarian views, and border protection.

As a fellow Libertarian I have to agree with Stossel. I’d like O’Reilly to ask the National Guard if that’s how they want to spend their time. Also ask the taxpayers if that how they want their money spent. .Let the people in legally let them work let them pay taxes. Also Americans Thirst for drugs overpowers any force to stop it. Prohibition didn’t work in the 1920-30′s. The war on drugs isn’t working either.

I think any “comprehensive immigration reform” package will need to include a better guest worker, and legalization procedure. A better path to citizenship (and take that literally, not as code for amnesty) will help cut down on the need for illegal immigration, and help provide the extra security we’ve need.

Francis, why did you characterize Stossel’s position as “yet again, he ERRED on the side of smaller government.”?

Grammie,

It seems to me that Francis was just adapting the old idiom ‘to err on the side of caution’ to indicate that Stossel chose to remain with that is familiar to him.

Right now, there is virtually no way for a person from south of the border to legally immigrate to the U.S., and for 99.9%, no way to even get a visitor visa. Other than those few people who have the 500K or so to buy legal status, as investors, like Murdoch, for example, the waiting list is decades long. So faced with no options, crossing the border illegally is attractive to those who seek the American dream. Indeed, it is their only option. The fact that they can find jobs in the U.S. is why they come. Put employers in jail for employing illegal aliens, and close the day laborer loophole, and the attractiveness of America for those who seek to enter illegally will diminish.

Yes, legalize drugs and the mobsters are out of business. Problem is, those tens of billions of dollars that the government spends every year on its war on drugs will then be cut off. So expect the law enforcement lobby to scream bloody murder.

valkyrie101 said:
Right now, there is virtually no way for a person from south of the border to legally immigrate to the U.S., and for 99.9%, no way to even get a visitor visa. Other than those few people who have the 500K or so to buy legal status, as investors, like Murdoch, for example, the waiting list is decades long. So faced with no options, crossing the border illegally is attractive to those who seek the American dream. Indeed, it is their only option. The fact that they can find jobs in the U.S. is why they come. Put employers in jail for employing illegal aliens, and close the day laborer loophole, and the attractiveness of America for those who seek to enter illegally will diminish.

Yes, legalize drugs and the mobsters are out of business. Problem is, those tens of billions of dollars that the government spends every year on its war on drugs will then be cut off. So expect the law enforcement lobby to scream bloody murder.

I totally agree. Go after the employers. That is how you stop it. No jobs equal respect for our laws.

I am totally psyched that Stossel and other traditional libertarians are getting air time.

valkyrie101 said:
I am totally psyched that Stossel and other traditional libertarians are getting air time.

Me too. I

Here is one problem with criminal penalies for those who employ illegal aliens: Millions of warm hearted Hispanic woman work in the house cleaning, maid, and child care industries and the employers are all just regular republicans paying cash and not thinking twice about it.

valkyrie101 said:
Here is one problem with criminal penalies for those who employ illegal aliens: Millions of warm hearted Hispanic woman work in the house cleaning, maid, and child care industries and the employers are all just regular republicans paying cash and not thinking twice about it.

This is obviously just a partisan attack. Come on Val, I thought you were better than that. Do you seriously believe that only republicans hire domestic workers? I’ve seen an extensive amount of liberal elite that don’t do their own laundry or watch their little brats.

Regardless as if the illegal immigrant is “warm hearted” or not, we have laws in this land and they should respect them, just as their employers should respect the laws.

Response to Valkyrie: Mexican Citizens Do virtually have a way to immigrate to the United States legally. In fact, the United States allows more Mexican Citizens to immigrate legally to the United States than any other country by over 100% more than the second highest country. Here are figures for Mexicans granted the right to immigrate in 2007, 2008 and 2009 respectively; 148,640 (14.1%), 189,989 (17.2%) and 164,920 (14.6%). The second highest Country is China, with the United States granting the right to immigrate for the same years are; 76,655 (7.3%), 80,271 (7.3%) and 64,238 (5.3%). The total number of from around the world allowed to legally immigrate to the United States for those same years are; 1,052,415, 1,107,126 and 1,130,818. So, the premise that Mexico is being slighted is ridiculous since they are have been granted more than any other country. You may look at the figures by downloading a pdf file at http://www.dhs.gov/files/statistics/publications/yearbook.shtm

I guess it is pretty easy to get a rise out of you, Liberty. In fact we are all “republicans” with a small “r”.

Yes the law and order crowd want enforcement of the law, but they do not want grandma being arrested for paying 40 bucks a week to a nice Hispanic lady who comes for a few hours to clean the house. Nor do they want the tens of millions of young white people who use recreational drugs (or “performance enhancing drugs” like ritalin) at college to be arrested.

valkyrie101 said:
I guess it is pretty easy to get a rise out of you, Liberty. In fact we are all “republicans” with a small “r”.

Yes the law and order crowd want enforcement of the law, but they do not want grandma being arrested for paying 40 bucks a week to a nice Hispanic lady who comes for a few hours to clean the house. Nor do they want the tens of millions of young white people who use recreational drugs (or “performance enhancing drugs” like ritalin) at college to be arrested.

Partisan hacks, I’m not accusing you of being one, really irritate me.

You don’t have to arrest Grandma. Go after the big money places like construction workers, landscaping companies, “Molly Maid,” and others.

On a side note Frankg3400, ay to school valkyrie with actual facts.

Frank, Liberty,

Actual facts? Less than one out of a hundred Mexicans, at best, would qualify for a non-immigrant visa to visit the U.S. Why? Because in order to obtain a non-immigrant visa you must show substantial ties to your home country including home ownership, bank accounts, etc. Why do the U.S. consular posts require those ties? Because they do not want to give a visa to anyone who might not leave. As a practical matter, non-immigrant visitor visas are therefore not available to the teeming masses of Mexicans. As I said.

As for immigrant visas, well of course many of those are issued because with such a large population of citizens of Hispanic origin residing in the U.S. they apply for their relatives under the preference system. But of the teeming masses of Mexicans, who do not have the sponsorship of U.S. citizen relatives living in the U.S., it is virtually impossible, as I said.

Before the white Europeans came to the U.S. the land was “owned” by the Native American. Those who came here were violating the Native American’s ownership rights. And the Native Americans tried to defend their land from the white man inscursion, unsuccessfully. We celebrate those brave pioneers who risked life and limb to settle in America and establish the American dream. How is that different than the Mexican who comes to the U.S. by violating our law?

Response to Valkyrie101 “Actual Facts?”

Stop the spin machine. You first stated that Mexicans cannot obtain resident visa’s which was false since Mexico received more than any other country on the planet. You came back with well of course since there is a large population of Mexican Citizens in the US and they are getting their families in. Well, don’t you think it’s the same for every other country? Almost every citizen around the world who wants to become a resident of the United States has to go thru the same process of screening, rules and regulations. There are of course additional avenues for special refugees. United States immigration rules and laws don’t apply to everyone BUT Mexicans. Also, America is a melting pot of citizens from around the world with Mexicans being one of the largest populations in the United States. If we continue to allow skewed numbers of Mexicans into the United States we will no longer have a melting pot, but a threat to our sovereignty because of the larger numbers of family members allowed into the United States once they become citizens. Mexicans could soon 1/3rd to 1/2 of our population. This is shown by even your response to the high numbers of legal Mexicans granted residency. As far as I’m concerned their should be a moratorium on all immigration for a generation as we did in the past to allow all to simulate to the American culture.

Secondly, As far as Mexicans not being able to afford visiting the United States, here are the rankings of US world visitors for 2009. Mexicans had the 2nd largest number of visitors to the United States and your $500,000 fee is nonsense. If they bring their car they have to have liability insurance etc and prove they have enough money for the length of their stay in the United States.

http://tinet.ita.doc.gov/outreachpages/inbound.general_information.inbound_overview.html

1 Canada 18.0 million, 2 Mexico 13.2 million,3 U.K. 3.9 million ,4 Japan 2.9 million,5 Germany 1.7 million, 6 France 1.2 million, 7 Brazil 0.9 million, 8 Italy 0.8 million, 9 S. Korea 0.7 million, 10 Australia 0.7 million

Thirdly, Mexico Isn’t innocent by any means, their culture was originally in the Yucatan, and as they moved north, they pillaged and stole land of the natives of those areas. The American Indians of the SW disliked the white man, but hated the Mexicans even more. Mexicans Murdered Geronimo’s entire family. The Spanish, your relatives were the original Conquistadors of the West and SW. All these atrocities happened over 500 years ago and every country on earth could make the same claims of land being stolen.

Mexico, their citizens and the pro illegal groups MECHA, LA Raza, Lulac etc.,continue their fake whining how abused they are to get as many of their countrymen into the United States for one reason only, which is Aztlan reconquista. While they think United States laws are for everyone in the world but them.

Frank,
The teeming masses of Mexicans, who are living in poverty for the most part, have no chance of getting U.S. immigration status. Period. And those are the people risking their lives to find something better in the promised land.

As for my question asking you the difference between a Mexican breaking white people law to find a better life in America, and the white people that came to the U.S., in violation of Native American law, treaspassing on Native American lands in their search for a better life, you have no real response. In fact the Mexican man or woman who invests everything they have, and who puts their lives at risk to find a better life in the U.S. is no different, morally, than the poor Europeans who did the same thing 200 or more years ago.

It seems that this site is run by clueless editors, who somehow are able to get their hands on decent video clips, but surround them with simple minded drivel.