I thought Huntsman was the best candidate to give a real choice against Obama,he has a proven track record but in far right views of the Republican party today, he was seen as a Democrat.

One of the corollaries to Hunstman’s arguments is that because the Republican party has become the party of small ideas, it is constantly putting out small fires. That is very destructive. we have a clear, recent example in the contraception wars, and we have another example in Old McDonald’s preemptive end to Virginia’s proposes state-mandated vaginal penetration law. Which, of course, he was in favor of before he was against it.

Sounds angry. You were on that stage, where were your bold ideas? & The president is talking about manufacturing. Bitterness does not react well with coherence

& want bold? Ron Paul, governer. So bold, courageous and honest that he’s made an easy target by our zionists-controlled media & dismissed by your party as an unrealistically pacifistic clown

The Republican party, in catering to the basest of the base, eliminated their best candidate to run against the President. But hey there is no monopoly on self-destruction. 

Bottom line is you some fine daughters… fine daughters

“I think fundamentally, and I’m being very honest about this,” Huntsman said, “I think people held against me the fact that I crossed a partisan line in serving this president in putting country first.”

Huntsman was suckered by Obama, offered the job because Obama thought he was a threat to run against him in 2012, and he was right. Now he’s on MSNBC locking in the reason that he’ll never be elected by calling for a third party. If Huntsman was actually “putting country first”, he’d still be in China.

 No, John McCain is seen as a Democrat.
John McCain is to the Republican Party what Barack Obama is to America.

Romney will cruise to the Whit House, and the 30 million evangelicals who stayed home in 2008 will be out in force.

Thank you Democrats WAR ON RELIGION!

An extra “B” and a missing “Re” from his last words three.

Yes, it was a wide-ranging conspiracy. Seinfeldesque.

The last bold Republican idea, that actually benefited ordinary Americans, was Eisenhower’s interstate highway plan.  Thanks to Reaganism, the American middle class has been in steady decline for the last thirty years.

And this idiot wondered why no one voted for him. Quoting Chinese in the middle of a debate does not prove that you are inetellectual. It just shows you are a di ck.  A real leader is supposed to communicate to the masses, not snigger at them.  And talking about big ideas, as long as our enemies constitute of such “free “thinkers as the Occupy crowd, I guess we still are the bigger thinkers. 

Oh yeah, Carter the peanut farmer was doing wonders to the economy, right?

B.S. Jon Huntsman (who was Governor of Utah !) was the most conservative of all republican candidates. He’s not a Democrat. His record is not one of a Democrat. His views are not those of a Democrat (have you seen his fiscal propositions ?). Romney, Gingrich (and even Ron Paul to some extent) have been to his left all their life. The only reason the liberal media love him is because he does not say things like “climate change is a hoax” or “Obama is a muslim”. That does not mean he is a Democrat. He was actually one of the most conservative guy in the field. It’s the same for host Joe Scarborough (he’s not a RINO only because the left prefer his tone to the tone of a Sean Hannity : what matters is issues).

Now, let’s back to reality. He lost because he was bad. No charisma, no enthusiam. And he lives in a dream/bubble. Presidency is out of his reach/potential. And now he dreams about a run as a third party candidate. “I think that’s the healthy thing,” !? But who will vote for him ? Did he really expect to get the votes of the Tea Party against the moderate Romney/Gingrich ? Or does he expect to run as a centrist and get the votes of people like Friedman or David Brooks over a Mitt Romney ? That makes no sense. Look at their resume (Utah versus Massachusetts) ?

Reagan castigated Carter for the size of his deficits yet Reagan’s smallest deficit was bigger than Carter’s largest.  Reagan spent more money than all his predecessors combined, tripled the national debt in eight years, and took America from being a creditor nation to being a debtor nation. 

His whole campaign was pandering.  The only time he got in the news was when he’d pull a Megan McCain and hurl a personal insult at some Republican.  This guy is a tool trying to get a job at MSNBC.

Reagan spent more money/GDP than all previous presidents… Dubya spent even less money/ size of the GDP than all other previous presidents… Nice try with the propaganda. 

So I see you did not read what I posted. I know he is Conservative, hence the real choice against Obama. He at least has a record as opposed to Newt, Mitt, and Rick as a conservatives.

A great many Americans buy into the Reagan myth and you appear to be one of them.  The Reagan administration marked the first time since the great depression the purchasing power of American workers fell, and it fell by about 11%.  Reagan presided over the greatest transference of wealth from the working class to the executive class in American history. Under Reagan, America essentially quit paying its bills.  Facts, are not propaganda. Rationalizing around a preconceived point of view is, however.  Reagan was an empty suit who knew how to play a president on television.  His understanding of policy, foreign, domestic, monetary, military, and otherwise bordered on the nonexistent.

‘Gone are the days where the Republican party used to put forward big, bold visionary stuff.’ Jon Huntsman 

Well and truly gone…

…Now they spend all day sucking their thumbs, being juvenile or being disruptive. Abraham Lincoln would be considered a RINO!

The suggestion of a third party might not be a bad idea. Preferably they won’t be wearing evening gowns or have Grand Wizards…

The Huntsman candidacy really is a tragedy. His fatal error was aligning himself with the incompetent John Weaver and the rest of those McCain ’00 losers. Huntsman spent eight months playing identity politics with the Republican base and pandering to the media. As a result, he received almost uniformly positive coverage from the likes of the NY Times and MSNBC (which was always disproportionate to his anemic polling numbers) while assuring he had a snowball’s chance in hell of being the Republican nominee. As for Huntsman’s contention that his selfless duty as Ambassador to China is what doomed him among Republican voters, said voters have forgiven Mitt Romney (RomneyCare, general squishiness), Rick Santorum (Specter endorsement, No Child Left Behind, various other liberal votes), and Newt Gingrich (being Newt Gingrich), so that doesn’t really hold water.

There seems to be a direct causal relationship between the extent of right wing anxiety and desperation regarding the upcoming election and the magnitude of their irrational anti-Obama rhetoric.
The GOP candidates cry “Obama is dangerous, Christian-hating, socialist despot” and the nation hears “wolf”.

This is all that the Republican Party has left in its “think tank”.
Right wing politicians and pundits want to take on Obama about the economy, except that they have no substantive policy positions, and the overall economy is improving significantly.
They want to be critical of his perceived weakness on attacking terrorism, but then bin Laden met his demise.

The GOP is desperate for a message, any message, that they can convincingly sell to the American public.  They are leaving no stone unturned in their search for a rational, substantive idea that will resonate with voters.
They remind me of an obese man watching a bunch of weight-loss videos while sitting on the sofa, munching away a whole bag of Cheetos.

So they have chosen Door #3 and have returned to their favorite turf, hurling hyperbolic rhetoric, racially-insensitive epithets, and fact-devoid, inflammatory accusations about Obama conspiring to create a dictatorship, the evils of birth control, and a mythical “war on Christianity” … and the American people are responding, ”WTF are you talking about???”

more undiluted propaganda…. why not go polish Uncle Soros ‘ barnicles? The guy who defeated the Soviet Union was incompetent while the jerks who gave away Iran and Egypt are the geniuses…. what a pathetic libturd

But you are wrong. Huntsman was not seen as a Democrat by Republicans, even on the few topics where he was not mainstream (Afghanistan, civil union or global warming). He was respected, but did not connect with people because of his overly modest and humble personality. There was no dynamic, no enthusiasm, he was just boring. Look… His best moment was when he replied to Romney over his decision to go to China on behalf of Obama (when he said “I put my country first”). He was loudly applauded for this very mccainesque stance. It was not the issues, nor the absence of incendiary statements. He was beaten for the exact opposite reasons the elites love him : except in this sole episode with Romney, he never generated any enthusiasm, he delivered lenght and technocratic sentences in a monotonous way, with a lack of body language. He was lugubrious. George Will described Romney as our Dukakis : Huntsman was even worse than both these guys. I feel sorry for him, but that’s the reality of politics.

Huntsman is a diplomat, not a charismatic political leader.

How does speaking Mandarin show you are a d*ck? 

 As long as the Republican/Tea Party thinks of other Americans as ‘enemies’ your party is lost.

You mean “Americans”

 Because it shows a worldly-ness that is anathema to modern, pathologically-nationalistic Republicans.

I actually liked Huntsman as a candidate & it’s a shame that the Republicans dismisses him simply because he was Obama’s ambassador to China, believed in equal marriage rights, and embraced science. Right now, the Republican candidates have virtually no credibility on foreign policy (with the exception of Ron Paul), are bogged down debating social issues from 55 years ago, and find themselves with no clue on what’s going on in the world. As much as I criticized the Bush administration for Iraq & Katrina, at least the man had a vision and some sense of destiny. I’m not quite sure what Mitt Romney’s purpose for being president even is besides adding it to his resume & boosting his ego for doing what his father couldn’t. I don’t get the feeling that he believes in any cause greater than himself.

because if we were to vote for someone who can put a few wonderful vacous lines without adding anything substantive , we would be democrats. Remember ” Hope and change “??

I think Huntsman’s fatal error was underestimating how far his party would swing to the right. There was a point where we were lead to believe that the Republicans would be willing to work with the president for the betterment of America, there was a point where we were led to believe the Republicans would care less about social issues which divide us & focus on the issues which bring us together, there was a point where we were led to believe that Republicans would embrace science instead of denying it at all cost. Huntsman believed that his party would get with the times instead of taking such hard line reactionary stances. I believe Huntsman was just in the wrong party at the wrong time.

The only time he ever “pandered” was when he said that the Republican Party cannot win if they are anti-science. If the Republicans get involved in any sort of scientific debate they will lose. Even if they believe otherwise, they will either have to claim ignorance or take the wrong side of a position, just to adhere to the teachings of a book that was put together 1,700 years ago.

Mitt Romney is not going to win with the “war on religion”. He will avoid talking about religion as much as possible. Romney’s only hope is for something catastrophic to happen to the U.S. economy between now & the election.

 You said it yourself :       “A real leader is supposed to communicate to the masses, not snigger at them.”          
“Snigger” Is exactly what The Republican/Tea party has done to all who do not agree with the backwards thinking they have. They have not purposed anything to move our country forward after the disastrous 8 years of Bush/Cheney.  Most Americans want America to move forward not back.

“I think Huntsman’s fatal error was underestimating how far his party would swing to the right.”

Then how do you explain the fact that Mitt Romney, a man who instituted government-run health care in Massachusetts and characterized himself as “unequivocally pro-choice” when he ran for governor, was the GOP front-runner during the entire duration of Huntsman’s candidacy?

How true- and he thinks he can run for president another time, just like Romney.

If you want “big” ideas, Mr. Huntsman, pay attention to what Newt Gingrich says- he’s the only one who has the vision and the expertise to change the direction of the country.

Huntsman was the only one with big ideas. Tax plan endorsed by WSJ, plan to end “Too Big to Fail”, experience in establishing competition in the health insurance field. 

On this, we can agree.

You didn’t read the whole story. He immediately said he didn’t want to run third party. His point was, if the Republican party is going to accept the role of pandering and not putting forth some ground-breaking initiatives, a third party would keep them honest. Also, he didn’t loss because he was bad. I think his summation of his campaign was spot on. He doesn’t pander or throw “red meat” so he doesn’t raise big money. His service during the Obama administration probably was held against him, which is tragic. 

John Huntsman is absolutely right! What has happened to Republicans? Very sad…

The very fact he’s struggling against the likes of Santorum and Gingrich says it all. Any other past year and people like Santorum & Gingrich rouldnt even consider running for president.

Huntsman was probably the only candidate who could defeat Obama if he had gotten the nomination.  Me and Democrats everywhere are thanking Republicans for ignoring him

The “wrong” side of a position in taking the position of the Bible?   Are progressives so out of touch they believe everything in the Bible is wrong?  So wealth distribution by stealing from thy neighbor is right?  To murder innocent babies or families of terrorists is right?  Adultery is right?   Bearing false witness (as liberal politicians do every time there’s a TV camera in their face) is right?

I’m not an extremist nor do I consider myself religious (at least in an outward sense), but while my above examples are exaggerations in some sense or entirely incorrect if applying in a global sense, they are also accurate.

Yeah, we should move our country forward like Mao’s great leap forward…. Obama loves americans as much  as Osama did

Do you believe that we all originated from 2 beings 6,000 years ago? Do you believe that man created a tower that would’ve gone into outer space thousands of years ago & the only thing that prevented them from doing so was speaking different languages? Do you believe that there was a massive flood all over the world which drowned the highest mountains; furthermore, do you believe that the only survivors of this flood were a male & female version of all the animals in the world confined into a tiny arc? Do you believe that a man could survive inside of a whale/fish/dinosaur for 3 days?

nope.

Just what are the ideas the Republican/Tea Party have put forth besides hating homosexuals and women? What wonderful plans do they have to help continue to dig Americans out of the horrible mess the last Eight years of Bush/Cheney left us?

Then how could you believe that the Bible is the absolute truth and takes precedence over modern day scientific thought? This isn’t about morality this is about scientific truths.

Yes, speaking one of the worlds hardest languages that you managed to learn while you were also governing a state, negotiating in Americas best interests with our greatest rival,  and raising a family is very vacuous.  

Put down the meth pipe, open your trailer door and get back to the real world buddy.

I have to ask.  What universe do you live in?  Oh I know, it’s the Foxworld.

I know that, being a good conservative, means being entitled to your own facts. Reagon defeated the Soviet Union? Seriously? None of the other seven post war presidents mattered? Seventy years of total imcompetence on the part of the Russians mattered? I may be a pathetic lib-turd, but I’m one with two bronze stars and a purple heart.

Just what are the ideas the Republican/Tea Party have put forth besides
hating homosexuals and women? What wonderful plans do they have to help
continue to dig Americans out of the horrible mess the Eight years
of Bush/Cheney left us?

Can’t reply to your below so doing here.  The Bible isn’t about teaching scientific fact, its about teaching morality.  While some may choose to its descriptions literally, others see it as examples pointing to a larger truth.  I’d sooner trust a scientist/engineer for designing a submarine than I would a pastor who says trust in God, that doesn’t mean it’d be inappropriate to trust in God AND in the scientists/engineers, because they both are right and they both are incomplete.

Huntsman was a real Republican with ideas, but now were left with guys trying to stop women from getting contraception.   

Gone are the primary  days when this clown had  a dozen supporters.

Other than the suffering of 9/11 America was doing pretty well up to 2006 when Democrats took over congress.  Republicans & Tea Partiers don’t hate women or homosexuals, but if that is all you take from listening to them you must only watch what liberal media puts in front of you.

Trusting God is one thing but not to the extent where you support destructive policies such as denying women birth control, continuing to pollute the environment, or going to war with Iran to assure the rapture. These are positions these candidates are endorsing and that’s what’s beginning to really scare some people, and not all these people are liberals. It also scares many Christian conservatives.

And I’d vote for Republicans-BUT I”M ALLERGIC TO NUTS!!!!!!!!

Correction Please, Huntsman’s fatal error was not staking out a turd in the tin shit house the Repugnant Party now resides.

Your threshold for what qualifies as “tragic” is a categorical miss. I’ve seen Huntsman’s policies, & I’ve looked at his gubernatorial record in Mormon-pure Utah. There’s absolutely nothing in his governing record that shows the least ability to work with or for a public that doesn’t share the same DNA & the same belief system. And there’s little among his policies that the US wouldn’t be a lot better off without. 

Huntsman’s interest in some mythical third-party candidacy by someone has nothing to do with this year, because it’s too late to get on the ballot unless through a long-time speciality party (Libertarian, Reform, Socialist, Natural, there’s a few set up to go, but none of those is the vehicle Huntsman means.); instead, it’s a talking point for 2016, & into the future unless & until the GOP stop race-baiting the Hispanic vote.  

Saw the post you put on after this one and just wanted to say to a fellow American:

“THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Try to be more coherent next time.

We seem to have returned to that part of the Mediaite life cycle where a lot of pre-pubsescent white middle-school males are showing up.

Quite so. Teddy Roosevelt, for example, if he were around today in his mid to late 40s to say 60, would have zero chance of surviving to this point of the current GOP race: he’d need a ton more personal wealth or very own billionaire. That’s the key to these 4 left standing: it’s all about the money, Lebowski. This is your post-Citizens United America at work – if you don’t have at least one billionaire fueling your clown car, you don’t get to drive in the clown car race.

The days of Big & Bold ideas are not gone Mr. Huntsman.  You spend all your time listening to the establishments pick, Mitt Romney.  The big ideas come from Newt Gingrich and heaven forbid, it wouldn’t be “politically correct” to give him  credit for anything.  You might received a “scolding” from those powerful career politicians who are backing Mitt in order to maintain the status quo in DC. They want NOTHING changed. They love their power and ability to get rich. They dislike Newt because he “KNOWS” who and what needs to be changed and they don’t want him anywhere near their domain. 

“The very fact he’s struggling against the likes of Santorum and Gingrich
says it all. Any other past year and people like Santorum &
Gingrich rouldnt even consider running for president.”

Yeah, it wasn’t like in 2008 when a social conservative with questionable economic views like Santorum had success in the Republican primaries. Oh wait a minute, Mike Huckabee did. There were also no media-adept Republicans who made their names in the ’90s and had colorful personal lives like Gingrich, except for Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson.

But that’s beside the point. You didn’t address what I said. Huntsman’s governing record is significantly to the right of Romney, yet couldn’t gain any traction in the primaries whereas Romney has been the odds-on favorite since the get go.

Romney also flip flopped on his liberal positions while Huntsman stood by his record. Romney might have a liberal streak but right now he’s saying he ‘s a conservative. Huntsman had the audacity to stand by the positions he believes in the science behind climate change, he believes in equal marriage rights, and he is willing to work with the president. Romney backtracked on all these positions and for the most part, the Republican base fell for it, but then there’s the other 70% that’s still looking for an “anti-Romney”.

To show how inane today’s leftist dialogue and input is, we have first a non-sequitur.  Nobody on our side of the aisle holds anything again Huntsman for his ability to speak Chinese.  Simple fact is, when a politician is on the campaign trail, the American electorate, those who aren’t prone to the leadership principle, expects to be persuaded by the words he speaks, not be incapable of understanding them.

Second post turns this non-sequitur into an ad-hominem, building the false narrative.

Third post now presents this twisting of reality into its own thesis, complete with further irrelevancy, giving supportive evidence to a non-sequitur with even more of them.  Citizen United, for instance, has no bearing on what personal appeal a candidate holds, and in any case changed noting with regards to how individuals can contribute to a campaign.  It only dealt with institutions, as was the subject of a Dan Abrams post.  Yet it never did penetrate.  They still banter with the BS.

And to prove how inane is the chain of ‘thought’ which brought us here, 2008′s Republican candidate, a progressive Republican who stood firm with the policy of foreign adventurism, was today’s modern equivalent of Teddy Roosevelt, and held that former president as his hero.  Yet for as much as they ‘laud’ such, they went with the crypto-Marxist.

They think unrealities, and then speak them and in repeating them back and forth to each other, give them force of weight within their own circles.

And people wonder why America is divided.

Bold Plan: 

Cut $1Trillion in Spending in the First Year. 
Bring ALL our troops home from around the world. 
End 5 Federal Departments and outsource some of their duties to other departments. Balance the Budget in 3 years. 
Stop Policing the world. 
End the War on Drugs. Pardon all NON Violent drug offenders. End the Income Tax and reduce corporate income taxes to 15%. 
Allow those younger than 25 to opt out of Social Security. Fix Social Security for those that have paid into the system. 

Who offered this bold plan?Ron Paul. Sorry Huntsman – Ron Paul is the only one offering any bold plans in the GOP. 

Huntsman doesn’t believe in gay marriage, he believes in civil unions http://situationroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/03/blitzers-blog-huntsman-gay-marriage-debt-ceiling/. There’s a difference. While it’s true that during the summer he tweeted about his belief in global warming, he explicitly walked back support for climate change science just four months later http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-presidential-primary/197545-call-him-crazy-but-huntsman-changes-stance-on-climate-change. Finally, if he was so willing to work with the president, why was he running for his job?

They are?  They brought it up, and not the media?  They took those stands when the President pushed a new policy, and didn’t simply stand for the right of religious institutions to abide by the conscience of their faith as is guaranteed in the first amendment to the constitution not be forced by the federal government to abide by that which contradicts it?

Such is the input from an “occupy wall street” Ron Paul supporter.  As useless an idiot as to not get that the above argument would be the core one of his own candidate.

On the contrary, I have never seen a bolder vision put forward by the GOP. Takes some courage to propose the vision of the 19th century at the beginning of the 21st century.

this jackass couldn’t get above 2% when he was still in primary, like anybody but losers and msnbc are listening

Presumably Huntsman’s greatest persuasive argument for himself as the field’s most conservative candidate was given in the words of the worlds hardest language – and not English.

Maybe that’s why he failed?

Meanwhile, typical of online leftist posters, you reserve your vote for the guy who says nothing in mixed company but generalities – then seem not be able to understand the meaning of basic words of the English language in order to debate them when he’s caught on tape spewing collectivist garbage antithetical to that held by the great majority of Americans.

Speak not to others insultingly of the real world, for you don’t inhabit it.  You live in a fake world of progressive lies and spin.

Your agenda driven ‘science’ and its computer modeled predictions are not supported by observable data.  That’s how we know it’s a hoax and driven by politics rather than true science.  Because we have a skeptical mind, a quality essential to scientific proofs, and not ones propelled by alarmism and indoctrination.

So are you denying that all observable data indicates a long term warming trend since the industrial revolution?

 Big ideas come from Newty? Like moon colonies? Haaaahaaaaaa! Your party IS in trouble!

I saw Huntsman on Morning Joe, and curiously he didn’t mention the principal reason his campaign went nowhere:

He was a condescending jerk who forgot that you actually have to win over Republicans, not media slugs who ooh and aah over any Republican who’ll attack the Republican Party.

 The only “plan” they have is to get back in power. Then they continue to destroy the country for their own benefit (break unions, keep women barefoot and pregnant, make sure minorities don’t vote, etc.) Personally, I love how they pretend that eight years of Bush never happened, and we should vote then back into office. Delusional.

 It’s a shame, but “moderate Republican” is an oxymoron. They’re driving their party over a cliff and don’t even realize it. If someone like David Frum cautions them about the consequences, he’s practically drummed from the party. They are beyond help.

 Because we’re afraid of people that have the intelligence, perseverance and the curiosity to learn another language. And then if they actually demonstrate that they have achieved something we haven’t, well, we look like idiots and that makes them d*cks.

Mr. Huntsman, for comparison sake, please give us an example of “Where The Democratic Party Is Putting Forward Big, Bold Visionary Stuff’. Inquiring minds wanna know.

Romney has no chance against Obama.

I am observing that there has been no long term warming trend over the last fifteen years and that glacial melt predicted only to accelerate has in that time not, in fact, occurred  Why aren’t you?

Oh, but the models say there should be, so it must be some kind of statistical aberration…

Ice ages come and go, warming periods come and go and anthropomorphism wasn’t causal to any of it.  If the trend was already to warm (because the climate is a dynamic system never in equilibrium), when predictive models fail to pan out, maybe it’s time to start wondering if those who constructed them vastly overestimated the impact of our endeavors as to what degree our industry on some level contributed?  Especially when the science is in the hands of folks supported by an international body whose collective goal for generations has been to want to sock it to the west for every cent they can wrest out of them.

People should want to improve their world for the fact that they live it in, not for the desire of some to throw out capitalism and redistribute wealth globally.

Look at the graph your article provides. According to Kaufman’s study, the temperature in the southern hemisphere has gone down at a rate of -0.04 Celsius every December while the temperatures in the northern hemisphere has increased at a rate of 0.09 Celsius every December. There is clearly a warming trend going on.

Agreed.  Not able to condense his message into a simplistic, meaningless sound-bite.  Lame.. on the part of the electorate.

This is a reality. John F. Kennedy and Clinton were elected (despite the great quality of their opponents), John Kerry was not.