I believe what he was trying to convey is that if not for the convoluted and often contrived “reporting” and “analyzing” that FOX does that there would have been no need for the left leaning MSNBC to balance it.

Ted Koppel is the most pretentious wanker on the face of the earth.

I look at journalists the same way I look at sports commentators: I don’t care if they support one side or another, but I do care when they lie and make shit up, like giving the wrong score or phony stats. Or when they’re lazy and just repeat what others say or write.

Of COURSE Olberloon compares himself to Cronkite and Murrow!!!!!!1111 Murrow constantly UNDERMINED our battles against COMMUNISM (which DUH is still just as STRONG and DANGEROUS today as it ever was!!!!!!!111) and of course Cronkite single-handedly LOST US the war in Vietnam, which we were TOTALLY going to win!!!!!111 You are in GOOD COMPANY, you lib freak!!!!!111

What a nauseating piece of work Olbermann is. Karl Spensen (above) says it all. This commentary did nothing but sicken me in its fatuousness.

Karl Spensen said:
Of COURSE Olberloon compares himself to Cronkite and Murrow!!!!!!1111 Murrow constantly UNDERMINED our battles against COMMUNISM (which DUH is still just as STRONG and DANGEROUS today as it ever was!!!!!!!111) and of course Cronkite single-handedly LOST US the war in Vietnam, which we were TOTALLY going to win!!!!!111 You are in GOOD COMPANY, you lib freak!!!!!111

Seriously, no kidding, you’re a moron.

Take down the life size picture of disgraced Sen. Joseph McCarthy from your wall, drink a warm glass of milk, and then go to bed.

TristramShandy said:
Karl Spensen (above) says it all.

I guess you don’t know Karl Spenson is making fun of you RWers.

A legend in his own mind… what a worthless piece of shite.

“what else is this but fascism”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYmS5ylCrk

12:40 minutes??!!!
Krazy Keith….is crazy!!

dummy123 said:
“what else is this but fascism”

OH! But you RWers never call Obama a fascist, socialist, communist, etc etc do you?

Did Murrow exchange angry tweets with 14 year olds from his bathtub??

MSNBC is an official joke!!!

the real john t said:
OH! But you RWers never call Obama a fascist, socialist, communist, etc etc do you?

Are we still pretending Barry is not a socialist??
Community organizer/ Black liberation theology…..;)
The lefty loons even admit that one.

Does Keith Tea-bag or does he receive Tea-bag???

dummy123 said:
The lefty loons even admit that one.

When and who admitted that, you racist?

The self aggrandizing babel that that man is blathering is remarkable. The crap that Olbermann is spewing is pure partisan hack bull shit. His stated opinion that all great journalism is that which attacks the right and nothing else.
It really is curious that this guy thinks that he has earned the right to opine on journalist’s and the job that they do. Nothing that this man has ever done will ever stand up to the product of real journalists.

The mid-term bloodbath has everyone on the left going crazy…..and I approve of this amazing-ness!

Keith is upset baseball season is over and he can’t leer at men in jockstraps in the locker room until opening day next year.

There’s plenty of room on cable for every angle on journalism…but “with all due respect,” no one will ever top Ted Koppel.

b4peace said:
no one will ever top Ted Koppel.

I always did like Ted Kopple.

bring on the 2012 election!!!!!
I hope Keith doesn’t get canned before then.
He is the best thing to ever happen to the RIGHT!!

When Keith talks like this it makes me ashamed to be a Democrat.  I think he has lost his mind.  But, if he hasn’t, and this is what the Democratic party now stands for then I am going to become a Republican and expose liberals for what we are. 

Olbermann’s really talking about editors and producers who have been deciding what stories to present to the public for as long as journalism has been an institution. Way back in the day, the insider term for them was “gate-keepers.”

Dem4Ever said:
But, if he hasn’t, and this is what the Democratic party now stands for then I am going to become a Republican and expose liberals for what we are.

Then you can listen to Hannity, O’Reilly, Limbaugh and the rest of them. OH! What a change that would be, HUH.

Dem4Ever said:
When Keith talks like this it makes me ashamed to be a Democrat.  I think he has lost his mind.  But, if he hasn’t, and this is what the Democratic party now stands for then I am going to become a Republican and expose liberals for what we are. 

If were going to demonize a political party based on one sole individual, I would at least choose someone who actually held high office instead of talk show host.

TristramShandy said:
What a nauseating piece of work Olbermann is. Karl Spensen (above) says it all. This commentary did nothing but sicken me in its fatuousness.

You’re DAMN RIGHT I said it all!!!!!1111

HMM…Keith says that Murrow and Cronkite were “not neutral men”- Interesting choice, the word neutral.

I wish someone had asked Keith Olbermann in 2006 (you know, the Bush era) if he was a liberal..

Wait, someone did? And he claimed to be “neutral” ?? Heres the glorious video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVqdOkgX-iY&playnext=1&list=PLEDE30021677B25E4&index=7

HAVE YOU NO SHAME, Keith Olbermann from 2006? HOW DARE YOU SIR!

Olby said………….

saying that he and those who followed his model of journalism during the Bush era “failed” as they allowed “decreasingly coherent excuses” for the Iraq War to pass under their radar. “When truth was needed all we got was facts– mostly lies,

This is an outright lie.

Notice that the real john t sounds just like Olbermann. This must be one of the names he hides behind.

In the Special Comment, Olbermann glosses over the two bits of legitimate, straight journalism by implying that because Murrow insisted on reporting the news from London, he was showing bias against the administration and by laying out what was known about the Watergate break-in during the “Evening News”, Cronkite did the same.

Maybe if Murrow or Cronkite had backed down, Keith would feel differently, but logic says that if they had bowed to pressure, they would’ve simply been showing a bias toward the other side.

His other two examples about which he spent the most time were reports about McCarthy that Murrow filed for his primetime magazine, which could be considered somewhat similar to what Olbermann currently produces and a CBS documentary, which if I remember my history correctly, Cronkite agonized over the possibility of editorializing and justified it in his mind because it wasn’t the “Evening News”.

Basically, Keith saw his name in an op-ed that is primarily about the effect cost-cutting and the pursuit of profits have had on journalism and because it didn’t paint him in glowing terms, he took offense. In some kind of attempt to build himself up, he tries to tear down everything and everyone that came before him with the notable exception of Tom Brokaw, perhaps because he still carries enough weight within the NBC structure to completely destroy Mr. Olbermann’s career, so he went unnamed.

As I noted in previous thread, last week pshawed Howard Kurtz’s assertion that Time-Warner doesn’t meddle in CNN, by implying that since GE apparently dictates to him, then everybody must do it and now he’s taking the position that he’s the heir to giants because if you squint your eyes and look sideways, it’s like they’re almost the same.

I wonder how the folks at real NBC, the ones who staff and produce “Nightly News” feel about Olbermann’s claim that only he and the others on MSNBC primetime are practicing true journalism, while everybody else, I assume Brian Williams included are doing the nation harm.

BarneyFranken said:
HAVE YOU NO SHAME, Keith Olbermann from 2006? HOW DARE YOU SIR!

And O’Reilly says he’s an Independent. Have you ever heard O’Reilly say the far right, the looney far right or the looney radical far right? Now if you change that far right to far left, I’m sure you’ve heard him say that quite often.

gordonbloyershow said:
Notice that the real john t sounds just like Olbermann. This must be one of the names he hides behind.

You’re no one to talk about lies Gordo. You spread enough of them around to fill up a silo.

“I’ve criticized President Obama this week more than Fox News criticized President Bush in eight years,”

MSNBC ALWAYS criticizes Obama from the left.

After watching O’Reilly and Olby today I am stunned that neither side cant admit they both report the news from the narrative of their own side of their aisle.

OMG! Olbermann vs. Koppel! I love watching girls fight.

Tom Brokaw and the rest of the NBC News grandees must be wetting their Depends right now. I can’t stand Keith, but I like how he has just set 30 Rock on fire. Burn baby burn. The more those overpaid twits are focused on destroying each other, the less time they have to pollute our airwaves.

I am sure that, as usual, Keith has an ulterior motive. He can’t be happy with Howie Kurtz’s article earlier today, which was obviously deeply sourced by Jeff Zucker, Phil Griffin, Steve Capus and their allies at NBC.

the real john t said:
And O’Reilly says he’s an Independent. Have you ever heard O’Reilly say the far right, the looney far right or the looney radical far right? Now if you change that far right to far left, I’m sure you’ve heard him say that quite often.

I don’t get your argument. It’s okay for Olbermann to make hypocritical statements because O’Reilly does the same?

dummy123 said:
Did Murrow exchange angry tweets with 14 year olds from his bathtub??

No but it looks like you do.

Kird said:
I don’t get your argument. It’s okay for Olbermann to make hypocritical statements because O’Reilly does the same?

I’m not saying it does. But if someone is going to jump on one person for doing it, they should look at the whole field.

sounds like keith has been reflecting on his entire life’s philosophy since the election and his suspension. and he’s been reading some ayn rand and she has keith worked up into such a frenzy that he forgot objectivity is a good thing.

the real john t said:
I’m not saying it does. But if someone is going to jump on one person for doing it, they should look at the whole field.

Agreed there, but the topic’s Olbermann. Say you’re dissing or defending Bush 1on being a one-termer; you can do one or other without bringing Carter in the mix.

Rescuedog said:
OMG! Olbermann vs. Koppel! I love watching girls fight.

Tom Brokaw and the rest of the NBC News grandees must be wetting their Depends right now. I can’t stand Keith, but I like how he has just set 30 Rock on fire. Burn baby burn. The more those overpaid twits are focused on destroying each other, the less time they have to pollute our airwaves.

I am sure that, as usual, Keith has an ulterior motive. He can’t be happy with Howie Kurtz’s article earlier today, which was obviously deeply sourced by Jeff Zucker, Phil Griffin, Steve Capus and their allies at NBC.

The Kurtz piece did allege that Phil Griffin called it a war and though couched as a defense of what he perceived to be a shot at him, the whole thing does sound like Olbermann firing back. After all, as I mentioned in my previous comment and you imply in yours, Keith seems to say that only he, Maddow and the rest of MSNBC primetime are doing true journalism and those folks at Nightly or the Today Show are worshiping a golden calf.

the real john t said:
And O’Reilly says he’s an Independent. Have you ever heard O’Reilly say the far right, the looney far right or the looney radical far right? Now if you change that far right to far left, I’m sure you’ve heard him say that quite often.

Who’s O’Reilly? Is he on after the ED show? I only watch MSNBC.

Kird said:
Agreed there, but the topic’s Olbermann.

Well next time there’s a topic about Fox on here get on the comments and see how fast Olbermann, Shultzs or Maddow comes up.

the real john t said:
Have you ever heard O’Reilly say the far right, the looney far right or the looney radical far right? Now if you change that far right to far left, I’m sure you’ve heard him say that quite often.

Excellent point. And O’Reilly doesn’t just do this about pundits (Michael Moore or Rosie O’Donnell) he does it about politicians constantly.

Franken and Grayson are “far left loons”. Reps. Steve King and Bachmann are “conservatives”.

These are the things Koppel is talking about.

BarneyFranken said:
Who’s O’Reilly? Is he on after the ED show? I only watch MSNBC.

Yeah right.

and olbermann’s ego is just off the charts.

Did Keith forget that guest hosts on his show got higher ratings then him??

see how this has gone from a rational argument to “is the reporting at MSNBC not as good as news and the same as FOX news” to “OLBERMAN IS STUPID!!!!!1111 I’M AN ANGRY GORILLA!!!!111. (foaming mouth here)

Fox news makes stuff up, reports unfounded rumors as fact and has been proven hypocritical and biased in it’s reporting since it’s existance. “Fair and Balance” is a joke tag line, I think even Fox employees laugh at the tag line when they see it displayed on the television. MSNBC, while left leaning, still uses facts that can be backed up with their reporting.

Olbermann made a good point that the Main Stream Media (which is still supposed to be biased too, according to Fox News and Sara Palin, got it wrong during the Iraq war and didn’t cover the war in an indepth manor that would have exposed how the war was based on false and made up evidence. All of the major news agencies failed on that, including Koppel’s station covering the news.

That was his point, which… had… nothing to do with his guest host getting better ratings.

Michelle Bachmann isn’t looney? Really? Have you actually heard that lady speak? Her own party wont give her any real power in Congress for fear of embarrassment. You are kidding yourself if you don’t think O’Reilly doesn’t make things up and flame people for simply disagreeing with him. People see what they want to see. It’s fine to not like Obermann, but to demonize him and praise O’Reilly is just… Amazing.

RAWRRRR!!!111

In his closing, Olbermann makes a new and completely innovative argument that will endear him with the right as much– maybe even more than– the left, an argument that, now that he mentions it, seems a long time coming: it was the “objective” journalists who made a mess of the news world, and now partisans like Olbermann have to come and clean it up.

Wow, a new and completely innovative argument…that the right has been making for ages. What do you suppose Fox News is meant to be but the antidote to liberal media bias?

http://twitter.com/francesmartel

http://twitter.com/keitholbermann

Keith is here……….and he is eating ice cream and angry tweeting from his bathtub!!

absolutwade said:
MSNBC, while left leaning, still uses facts that can be backed up with their reporting.

Oh, yeah. Just facts. No slime at all.

I smell Mr. Bubble!!
Run …before Keith gets his bathrobe and slippers on!!!

dummy123 said:
Keith is here……….and he is eating ice cream and angry tweeting from his bathtub!!

You’re kind of obsessed with Olbermann in a bathtub aren’t you? Like some other RWers on here. Do you get your jollies thinking about that?

I’d say that using facts with opinionated commentary is a far better and reputable tactic than making crap up as well as opinionated commentary and presenting it as news. !!!1111

Pablo said:
Oh, yeah. Just facts. No slime at all.

ok so if you find that slimy, then you will agree that Fox and what appeared to be never ending coverage of the NBPP and the dude with the baton was equally slimy. Right?

RobDavis said:
then you will agree that Fox and what appeared to be never ending coverage of the NBPP and the dude with the baton was equally slimy. Right?

Are you kidding? To the RWers everything Fox does is justified.

Wow, and to think that Cronkite never had a republican on….

Too funny to even reply to Olbermann…..

the real john t said:
Are you kidding? To the RWers everything Fox does is justified.

Well I figured I get back apples and oranges. The NBPP guys were intimidating voters and the white guy with automatic rifle had it there for ?????????? but certainly not intimidation. I’m sure he’ll fill in the blanks.

I just rewatched the clip for the third time. My goal was to count all of the mischaracterizations and false narratives, but it’d take some work to count them all, so I’ll wait and see how many others publish over the next few hours and into tomorrow.

In the meantime, I will poke a little fun at the way Keith refers to Roone Arledge. He smirked something along the lines of “Roone Arledge – who never let business or show business interfere with his pledge of allegiance to journalistic” and it could be a good illustration of how Keith saw his name, but not past it.

After all, the Koppel piece mentions that “60 Minutes” showed the executives news could make a profit, then he tells a story from what he describes as the mid-90s, when the bean counters started costing-out every report, trimming and eliminating some bureaus.

Up until his retirement in ’98, Roone Arledge was the head of ABC News, so he would’ve been the one in charge of implementing the cost-cutting measures.

RobDavis said:
ok so if you find that slimy, then you will agree that Fox and what appeared to be never ending coverage of the NBPP and the dude with the baton was equally slimy. Right?

I didn’t see where they lied about the facts or manipulated video to change what it showed so they could describe it as something that it wasn’t. BTW, did you notice how that never ending coverage seems to have ended? For now, that is. That story isn’t over. And yet, you barely heard about it on TV anywhere but Fox. Hmmmmm…

The real funny thing is that Mediate even gives Olbermann the same story as Cronkite, Murrow or Koppel. At least those three journalist have dissenting views on for programs. I can count on one hand the number of dissenting views Keith has had on this year…..

Pablo said:
I didn’t see where they lied about the facts or manipulated video to change what it showed so they could describe it as something that it wasn’t. BTW, did you notice how that never ending coverage seems to have ended? For now, that is. That story isn’t over. And yet, you barely heard about it on TV anywhere but Fox. Hmmmmm…

Ok, what did I miss about the editing of the video? Seriously asking.

And as far as NBPP story, it was replaced by and even bigger one ….. the mosque/community center or was it Shirley Sherrod? Yeah that’s right Shirley’s came next then the scary muslims.

Pablo said:
BTW, did you notice how that never ending coverage seems to have ended? For now, that is. That story isn’t over. And yet, you barely heard about it on TV anywhere but Fox. Hmmmmm…

Maybe you don’t hear about it besides on Fox is beause it’s a non-story. No one complained about voter intimidation. Should they be prosecuted just because Fox says they should?

Ok, I clicked on the photo… it’s a black guy holding it.

Every rally Glenn Back has, apparently has 3 billion people to show up. And absolutely none of them are racist who attend.

Obama attended a Baptist Church in Chicago where his children were baptized, and yet is somehow still a Muslim. ALEGEDLY!!!!!111

Obama has a birth certificate from Hawaii, certified and declared legit by the republican governor, and yet, he’s not really American. ALEGEDLY!!!!!111

The sanctity of no Mosque near Ground Zero however no one minds the strip clubs already there.

Obama’s recession, Obama’s Katrina, Terrorist Fist Bump, Etc…

Sarah Palin is TOTALLY ready to lead in government but Obama doesn’t have the experience necessary. ALEGEDLY!!!!!111

Everything and everyone different from you is out to kill you.

Nope, Fox doesn’t exaggerate or beat an erroneous story into the ground for the sake of keeping it alive at all. Nope. !!!!1111

absolutwade said:
Nope, Fox doesn’t exaggerate or beat an erroneous story into the ground for the sake of keeping it alive at all. Nope. !!!!1111

Don’t forget, 9/11 attack was Clintons fault.

RobDavis said:
Ok, I clicked on the photo… it’s a black guy holding it.

Look, that was completely slimy. And I have no time for any of that kind of shit. And perhaps Fox did not edit the voter tape, but they beat it like a dead dog. And it wasn’t that big of a story. Sherrod’s was a total sham taken out of context. Not saying Fox did it, but they didn’t do their homework either. Same as the other two examples. The Republicans run with the fear factor. They saw how well it worked after 9/11 (understandably so at that time) so they latched on to it and continue to beat that dead in their attempt to resurrect it. They got nothing else. If they do then they need to put it on the table. In reality, it is only the fringe out there that walks with that fear anymore. Well, until the scary muslim mosque/community center. Great way to start that up again. Now it’s a new bogeyman. The Marxists/Socialists. Thanks to Glenn and Rush.

Also, Even though the CBO (a non-partisan body organized to provide cost estimates on pending legislation) says the Health Care Reform bill will not only pay for itself, it will reduce the deficit roughly $138 billion over the first ten years, AMERICA CAN’T AFFORD THIS OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING!!!!11111

Pablo,

What’s your take on the Cheney/Haliburton connection?

Just curious.

Look – all I know is, we need to stop the OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING, take back our Once Proud Republic, and REDUCE the size of GOVERNMENT (which I HATE!!!!!!111)!!!!!1111 I’m not sure what any of that MEANS, but goddammit I BELIEVE IT!!!!!111

Karl Spensen said:
Look – all I know is, we need to stop the OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING, take back our Once Proud Republic, and REDUCE the size of GOVERNMENT (which I HATE!!!!!!111)!!!!!1111 I’m not sure what any of that MEANS, but goddammit I BELIEVE IT!!!!!111

LMAO keep it up dude, its great!

absolutwade said:
AMERICA CAN’T AFFORD THIS OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING!!!!11111

Yeah, and just wait until the Repubs take control of the House. Issa’s already been talking about all the investigations he wants. And trying to impeach Obama (for what I have no idea) isn’t off the table. I suppose it will be like the Repubs spending $70 million to try and impeach Clinton.

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Magister said:
After all, the Koppel piece mentions that “60 Minutes” showed the executives news could make a profit, then he tells a story from what he describes as the mid-90s, when the bean counters started costing-out every report, trimming and eliminating some bureaus.

Thanks for the link to Koppel’s piece. I read it rather fast must go back when I have more time. But I read it as more of a criticism of the individual stations and formats, not their representatives as such being Olbermann, O’Reilly and the rest. So I’m kind of confused as to why Olbermann’s in such a frenzy. I didn’t read anything that actually named any of them personally being critiqued. Again I read it rather fast. I may have to adjust my thoughts tomorrow after reading it better. It’s lights out here soon. lol

And as far as Koppels take on the old guys…. he said this….

Much of the American public used to gather before the electronic hearth every evening, separate but together, while Walter Cronkite, Chet Huntley, David Brinkley, Frank Reynolds and Howard K. Smith offered relatively unbiased accounts of information that their respective news organizations believed the public needed to know. The ritual permitted, and perhaps encouraged, shared perceptions and even the possibility of compromise among those who disagreed.

He did say relatively unbiased. Obviously meaning there was still some bias in there so not so sure what Keith’s rant was all about in that area, either. The part I have a problem with is where he says *information that their respective news organizations believed the public needed to know.*

I think we need to know as much as we can, which would be all for the most part. Other than what’s of national security, so to speak. So with that said if we don’t have a completely honest right down the middle political show than it only stands to reason to have respective ones on each side as we have now and let the people watch and deduct for themselves. I think what Koppel meant was that he didn’t care for the fighting that goes on between Fox and MSNBC and of course a bit of CNN. You know pointing fingers.

Gotta go!

RobDavis said:
Look, that was completely slimy. And I have no time for any of that kind of shit. And perhaps Fox did not edit the voter tape, but they beat it like a dead dog. And it wasn’t that big of a story. Sherrod’s was a total sham taken out of context. Not saying Fox did it, but they didn’t do their homework either.

So you’re equating being sloppy/overzealous with outright lying? That doesn’t work for me. Neither does your insistence that there’s something sloppy/overzealous about running that story down. Fox was the only network doing it, but now even the WaPo is catching up with what’s going on in our government. When you’re got the US Commission on Civil Rights reporting that the Civil Rights Section of the Department of Justice is “at war with its core mission of guaranteeing equal protection (under) the laws for all Americans.” , that is a news story, whether you like it or not and whether your favorite network covers it or not.

Well, until the scary muslim mosque/community center. Great way to start that up again. Now it’s a new bogeyman. The Marxists/Socialists. Thanks to Glenn and Rush.

No, silly! It’s FOX NEWS!!! Which is totally NOT A NEWS OUTFIT!!! I see you haven’t heard Beck on the mosque.

RobDavis said:
Pablo,

What’s your take on the Cheney/Haliburton connection?

Just curious.

Well, Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton from 1995-2000. What’s your take?

RobDavis said:
Look, that was completely slimy. And I have no time for any of that kind of shit. And perhaps Fox did not edit the voter tape, but they beat it like a dead dog. And it wasn’t that big of a story. Sherrod’s was a total sham taken out of context. Not saying Fox did it, but they didn’t do their homework either. Same as the other two examples. The Republicans run with the fear factor. They saw how well it worked after 9/11 (understandably so at that time) so they latched on to it and continue to beat that dead in their attempt to resurrect it. They got nothing else. If they do then they need to put it on the table. In reality, it is only the fringe out there that walks with that fear anymore. Well, until the scary muslim mosque/community center. Great way to start that up again. Now it’s a new bogeyman. The Marxists/Socialists. Thanks to Glenn and Rush.

Where in there did I say Fox lied? Point it out to me. I did not equate the two of them. As you said, I said or went on to say, they’re sloppy and they beat shit like a dead dog, to stir the fear.

WTF are you yelling for?

Pablo said:
Well, Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton from 1995-2000. What’s your take?

Pretty much the same… he was and still is collecting and counting his money.

Fox doesn’t outright lie, it implies heavily with a raised eyebrow in that “you know what we mean” kind of way and repeats it over and over. “Is Obama from Mars? We’re just asking the question (pst, he totally is).”

And Fox only covers a story (like voter intimidation) where little evidence exists and only, coincidentally, if it fits the right’s agenda. That dog didn’t objectively hunt for FOX NEWS in the 2000 Elections with such enthusiasm to get to the truth, now did it?

Absolutely amazing Special Comment. Olbermann hit it perfectly. Excellent work!

the real john t says:
And O’Reilly says he’s an Independent. Have you ever heard O’Reilly say the far right, the looney far right or the looney radical far right? Now if you change that far right to far left, I’m sure you’ve heard him say that quite often.

When Sarah Palin visited The O’Reilly Factor on election eve, we had a sense that they’d unleash upon us delicious morsels of political wisdom. For instance, the increasingly moderate Bill O’Reilly confronted Mrs. Palin about the merits of political extremism. “Can you be too far right in this country?” he asked Palin. Her response? “No!” Perhaps a signal of how she may run a 2012 presidential campaign?

O’Reilly seemed eager to counter Palin’s polarizing idealogy, citing that Mike Castle had a better chance at defeating Chris Coons than Christine O’Donnell, and that New York gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino is so far right that he “wants to go in with a baseball bat.”

“If you get candidates who do say crazy things, on the right or the left,” O’Reilly reasoned, all but pointing to Palin, “I think most Americans aren’t going to vote for them.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sarah-palin-to-bill-oreilly-candidates-can-never-be-too-far-right/

“I’ve criticized President Obama this week more than Fox News criticized President Bush in eight years,”

sadly, this could be true

absolutwade said:
Fox doesn’t outright lie, it implies heavily with a raised eyebrow in that “you know what we mean” kind of way and repeats it over and over. “Is Obama from Mars? We’re just asking the question (pst, he totally is).”

And Fox only covers a story (like voter intimidation) where little evidence exists and only, coincidentally, if it fits the right’s agenda. That dog didn’t objectively hunt for FOX NEWS in the 2000 Elections with such enthusiasm to get to the truth, now did it?

except they will go with “Some people say Obama is from Mars”

Pablo said:
that is a news story, whether you like it or not and whether your favorite network covers it or not.

Did abc, nbc, cbs, or the bbc etc report this story as well? I work evenings, so not able to catch them.

It’s really not nice to assume what some ones favorite network is. You would be wrong here.

Pablo said:
No, silly! It’s FOX NEWS!!! Which is totally NOT A NEWS OUTFIT!!!

That begs the question…Is it or is it not?

The more Olbermann speaks out, the crazier the far-right gets. It’s hilarious how easy they fall into the trap, which leads to wanting to silence him and get him fired. They can talk all they want about his bathtub or whatever cheap shot they like… it only makes him look better, because they can’t actually go after him on substance, just low blows. Classy, as usual, from the fringe nutjobs.

I just read Koppel’s piece again. I shouldn’t have commented earlier with skimming over as I had. I must make a retraction on my original post. The first thing Koppel says is….

***To witness Keith Olbermann – the most opinionated among MSNBC’s left-leaning, Fox-baiting, money-generating hosts – suspended even briefly last week for making financial contributions to Democratic political candidates seemed like a whimsical, arcane holdover from a long-gone era of television journalism, when the networks considered the collection and dissemination of substantive and unbiased news to be a public trust. ***

That was a low blow. I apologize Keith. I understand now what the frenzy was about.

absolutwade said:
Also, Even though the CBO (a non-partisan body organized to provide cost estimates on pending legislation) says the Health Care Reform bill will not only pay for itself, it will reduce the deficit roughly $138 billion over the first ten years, AMERICA CAN’T AFFORD THIS OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING!!!!11111

Um yeah, then they amended their findings. You might want to update your talking points there, bub.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/cbo-health-care-bill-will-cost-115-billion-more-than-previously-assessed.html?cid=6a00d8341c4df253ef0133ed83aaa7970b

Damn, I have a link too…sucks to be you.

KO couldn’t carry Ted Koppel’s eraser!
But if he wants ratings maybe he should find a mountain somewhere
to climb and/or some bears to play with!
He is a Nutcase.

the real john t said:
Yeah right.

We don’t get Fox in the Bay Area here. We do have MSNBC 2 though… though mostly they show reruns of Donahue during the day and during primetime they have:

8pm: ‘The O’Donnell Factor’ (Rosie, not Christine…sorry.)
9pm: ‘Colmes’ (formerly Colmes & Hannity)
10pm: ‘Off The Record’ with Gloria Allred.

The last show isn’t half bad actually…as long as you don’t mind risking deportation to watch it.

you DON’T want to watch their late night programming though…Its just Joy Behar and a webcam and, well, you get the idea.

I’m halfway through so far, and I have learned that Olby admits all the *great* journalists were indeed bias, and liberal – and they reported biased stories based on their own “morals”. (kind of proves FOX supporters right, no?)

And so now that attacking FOX as fair and balanced (offering a Conservative viewpoint, as well as liberal) hasn’t worked, he is now attacking the concept of presenting the news in a fair and balanced way. LOL!

He is saying that news should be biased, and presented from a “liberal” or “personal moral” point of view – and that he is one of the greats, because he is the most biased named in news? Is that what he’s getting at here?

Cracks me up that he is now trying to frame the concept of FOX – which is to present both sides of an issue – is wrong, and destroying the news business. Or that people who have a more conservative moral compass are wrong because they aren’t liberal.

ok, going back for rest of interview. This is like torture…

“In his closing, Olbermann makes a new and completely innovative argument that will endear him with the right as much– maybe even more than– the left, an argument that, now that he mentions it, seems a long time coming: it was the “objective” journalists who made a mess of the news world, and now partisans like Olbermann have to come and clean it up.”

Olbermann will never be respected or “endeared” by the right – he is a lefty loon, always has been, always will be. This comment just proves that. His claim that FNC didn’t criticize Bush is false on its face and easily provable. MSNBC has been caught in a gazzillion lies, and their racism charges against the “teabaggers” was unending.

Keith thinks he is the new Uncle Walter; CBS must be cringing on that one. Although I do agree that Uncle Walter was the father of opinion journalism and no one ever called him on that until now (sorta kinda).

But for Keith to put himself up as the paragon of truth is laughable. Shut the hell up Keith, your special comment was nothing more than a piece of self importance, one that shows you must be taking narcissism lessons from The One.

Egads.

absolutwade said:
Nope, Fox doesn’t exaggerate or beat an erroneous story into the ground for the sake of keeping it alive at all. Nope. !!!!1111

None of what you listed was said on Fox News programs. Most was said by guests on Fox Commentary programs.

YOU loons really don’t know the difference between news and commentary programs.

ProgLib said:
The more Olbermann speaks out, the crazier the far-right gets. It’s hilarious how easy they fall into the trap, which leads to wanting to silence him and get him fired. They can talk all they want about his bathtub or whatever cheap shot they like… it only makes him look better, because they can’t actually go after him on substance, just low blows. Classy, as usual, from the fringe nutjobs.

What are you smoking? It must be really strong because you are in La La land.

m said:
Absolutely amazing Special Comment. Olbermann hit it perfectly. Excellent work!

What time of day do they let you out of the straight jacket?

Olby said he was more critical of Obama this week than FOX was during 8 years? Total BS. What did he criticize Obama for this week? When he does go after Obama it is for not being liberal enough – so he is going after Obama for not living up to Olby’s liberal agenda.

Perhaps FOX didn’t go after Bush as much as liberal media because he was doing things they agreed with, but they did do negative stories on Bush. They also provided far more fair coverage of candidates in the elections.

So, he is upset because he thinks you should go after stories that wrong you morally – like he goes after Obama for wire tapping, or Gitmo or something – but he is pissed at FOX for not going after stories that HE finds morally wrong.

he is a loon. and a joke.

the real john t said:
Yeah, and just wait until the Repubs take control of the House. Issa’s already been talking about all the investigations he wants. And trying to impeach Obama (for what I have no idea) isn’t off the table. I suppose it will be like the Repubs spending $70 million to try and impeach Clinton.

Impeaching Obama is a lie made up by MSNBC hosts. Impeachment has never been mentioned by Issa.
Why would anyone want to impeach the guy destroying the democrat party.
I think they should investigate people that use phony names like you.

So , in Olby’s cabeza , the Journolisters are journalists .

RobDavis said:
Pablo,
What’s your take on the Cheney/Haliburton connection?
Just curious

Isn’t Haliburton still being employed by Obama? Didn’t they get contracts from Clinton? Maybe you should check theri connection with them?

BarneyFranken:

(from the website)
“CBO had originally estimated that the health care reform bill would result in a net reduction in federal deficits of $143 billion from 2010-2019; this revised number would eliminate most of that savings.”

Even under the revised estimates, it still pays for itself: Source: Your awesome link.

Did you really just get all boastful that you can post a link on the internet?

gordonbloyershow:

Yes, it was said on the commentary programs BY THE FOX REPRESENTED HOST OF THOSE PROGRAMS, which air most of the day as well as the “sorta real news” parts of Fox. Which distinction are you trying to make? Bat crazy insane comments are okay on FOX as long as it’s from the 90% commentary news that is broadcasted during the day, but That Olbermann / Maddow BS is just crazy talk when they have opinions, really?

On FOX, no one really knows the difference between the news and commentary programs. That’s kind of the point.

“Loons” That’s precious. (pats your head)

“Impeaching Obama is a lie made up by MSNBC hosts.”

You should tell Michele Bachmann that all that crazy stuff she’s been saying about investigations and Impeachment in interviews with Chris Mathews.

Wow, you guys know how to disagree without the whole “YER RETARDED” going on? I mean we are all over 5 here, right?

absolutwade said:
You should tell Michele Bachmann that all that crazy stuff she’s been saying about investigations and Impeachment in interviews with Chris Mathews.

Bachmann hasn’t talked about impeachment, and since when did investigations become “crazy stuff”? Were they crazy during Watergate or Iran-Contra? This administration, and the way the appear to take care of their business, certainly look ripe for investigating.

There can only be one ‘False God’ in media, and His name is Dan Rather.

sarainitaly:

I would be impressed if you found any archive material of Sean Hannity or O’reilly or any “Real” FOX news anchors nailing President Bush to the cross on the failure to stop 9/11, providing the evidence it said it had on going to war in Iraq, how they poorly handled Katrina, or how the Vice presidential staff took part in the leaking of the identity of a CIA agent. Not once did they hard press any cabinet members at the time for answers to any of these that justified those actions or inactions.

Olbermann and Maddow have both consistently held Obama to task for Obama’s promises of transparency in Government not fulfilled, The dismantling of Gitmo, Overturn of “Don’t ask, Don’t tell” and compromising on the Health Care Reform bill to appease the Republicans in Congress to try to make the bill bipartisan. That has nothing to do with their own views and has everything to do with Obama’s own campaign promises in 2008. Holding politicians to their campaign promises is something a news agency SHOULD do, something that FOX seems to fail on time and time again.

disenlightened:

I’ve yet to hear one thing (of merit) anyone has accused the Obama administration of doing that was Illegal or impeachable. You know, besides that “He’s not a real American, he’s a secret Muslim” nonsense. So what should we investigate?

I would be offended if $1 was spent investigating that.

Bachman has alluded to (again, a very powerful technique perfected by the right media and the politicians that want to court that support) impeachment with those investigations. The tea Party people were screaming impeachment all summer. Except the tea party isn’t really a part of the real right, is it. No, Yes it is. No, wait, yes, did you vote? Okay, now you’re not.

Hearing Keitho babble on about newsmen past made me realize just how right he is. He has to go. NOW.

This is Edward R. Murrow, reporting from hell. I have to go now. Nixon and I have a doubles match against Hitler and Elvis Presley in a few minutes.

not to nitpick:

“But for Keith to put himself up as the paragon of truth is laughable. Shut the hell up Keith, your special comment was nothing more than a piece of self importance, one that shows you must be taking narcissism lessons from The One.”

Addressing Keith Olbermann here and telling him to shut the hell up, as if he will read this, as if you have any journalistic integrity or acceptance as a peer to be able to tell him to shut up, is you know.. kind of narcissistic in itself. Just sayin’.

Olbermann wasn’t paralleling himself in stature to Cronkite, he paid his respect to them. He’s making the point that the path was led by those in the field considered “Great”. Those who had an opinion combined with the facts of the news and (again) doesn’t just make crap up they WANT to say and then pretend it’s fact and add commentary with it. O’rielly used to just kinda blur that line, Beck drove a freight train through it.

RobDavis said:
Where in there did I say Fox lied? Point it out to me. I did not equate the two of them.

I didn’t suggest that you said Fox lied. But I pointed out slimy MSNBC lying and you responded by bringing up the NBPP story. Remember this?

ok so if you find that slimy, then you will agree that Fox and what appeared to be never ending coverage of the NBPP and the dude with the baton was equally slimy. Right?

If you aren’t equating them, what are you doing?

Did abc, nbc, cbs, or the bbc etc report this story as well? I work evenings, so not able to catch them.

I haven’t seen TV coverage from anywhere but Fox. It may be out there, but it isn’t much.

It’s really not nice to assume what some ones favorite network is. You would be wrong here.

That’s why I didn’t do it. I don’t enjoy being wrong. But I am correct in assuming that it isn’t Fox, amirite?

RobDavis said:
That begs the question…Is it or is it not?

That’s not what begging the question means. Buy since you’re asking, yes. Duh.

Pointing out msnbc not covering a story is a different story than msnbc lying.

ProgLib said:
The more Olbermann speaks out, the crazier the far-right gets. It’s hilarious how easy they fall into the trap, which leads to wanting to silence him and get him fired.

Hey, who’s running the Olbermann boycotts? The internets do not seem to have that information.

not to nitpick:… then don’t.

I was just mocking Olbermann’s “Shut the hell up, Mr. President” as if Bush would ever listen to or care what Olberloon had to say.

The main place that drives a freight train through the truth is NBC/MSNBC. When Rachel was caught in a bald face lie she blamed it on her editors; Keith lies and spews hatred day in and day out….”mashed up bag of meat:” ring a bell?

MSNBC and NBC have lost credibility, and Keith’s special comment placing himself as an equal to or better than Conkrite and the rest of them is laughable.

Bwahahahaha

absolutwade said:
Pointing out msnbc not covering a story is a different story than msnbc lying.

Right. If you click this link that I posted upthread you’ll see the folks at MSNBC lying, during a hard news show.

omission is not telling the whole story, which could be thought of lying just pointing out

Re: nitpicking. Oh but I did, and it was apt.
I’m curious, what lie did Rachel Maddow get caught in?

Pablo:
I saw the link: Black guy holding a gun. He’s black, so what? Believe it or not, I saw that guy, in full view on other clips of MSNBC. Not really a big scandal there. The fact is remains that A GUY STILL PACKED A GUN TO A TOWN HALL MEETING, which, is kind of insane. How is that a lie? How is that even remotely a lie? How is that any less deceptive or insulting than: “Obama, is he a secret Muslim? Is that a terrorist bump he did right there?”

“MSNBC have lost credibility” Well, you said it on the internet so it must be true, and you laughed, so it must be funny.

I just want to know how Ted Koppel got his head so far up “Dr” Kissinger’s ass with those ears of his.

While I give kudos to Olbermann for admitting what conservatives have known for years, namely, that Cronkite was a liberal hack, his idiotic claim that MSNBC criticized Obama more in one week than Fox News did Bush in eight years illustrates why MSNBC is getting its clocked cleaned by Fox News: no one at MSNBC actually deals with the reality of Fox. They have a caricature that they’ve created in their minds and they react to the caricature. Olbermann boxes with a shadow and doesn’t understand why he’s getting hit from another direction. In that respect he’s a typical liberal, as liberals in general haven’t dealt with real conservatives in years, preferring instead to launch attacks on racistsexisthomophobicstupidteabaggers.

“as if Bush would ever listen to or care what Olberloon had to say.”

Apparently, President Bush took it pretty hard when Kanye West told him off at a telethon, so it’s very possible. :)

Hawk11 said:
Seriously, no kidding, you’re a moron.

Take down the life size picture of disgraced Sen. Joseph McCarthy from your wall, drink a warm glass of milk, and then go to bed.

I’m surprised people are still getting trolled by Karl. Hilarious though.

fenngibbon, where to start…

I listed many examples above how FOX news NEVER held the Bush administration to task on things we now know they should have.

Getting clock cleaned by Fox News? More conservatives like worshiping O’Reilly so, because his numbers are higher makes him more right? Are you serious? Ratings do not equate truthfulness.

MSNBC, believe it or not, does have viewers, quite a few of them. It’s how they remain on the air, day after day, aggravating the right.

So, we cant lump all conservatives together in a generalized meaning of the word, but Liberal can all get labeled together easily. Fantastic. No hypocrisy there.

When you let the tea bag people speak for you, say some really out there things and make really outlandish claims, them hug them when it benefits you and step away when it doesn’t, yes, you get lumped into the same fringe.

Would have liked to have seen one “Real Conservative” on capitol hill say “No, we don’t think Obama is a Muslim and we all agree he’s an American citizen, we just disagree with his policies. Wait, John McCain kinda did that (kudo’s to him) and then got shunned by the conservative fringe.

Even with the comment quoted here, Olbermann shows how both opinionists on both sides of the aisle are skewing journalism in the US. They research and analyze, of course, but then they moralize, slant, berate, and not just tell their viewers and listeners what to think, but chastise them if they don’t.

Of course journalists need to have a viewpoint when pursuing and writing a story. But they shouldn’t put a value judgement on what they’re reporting while their reporting. By comparing himself to Cronkite and Murrow, he’s implying that Cronkite should have demanded–on air, repeatedly–that Nixon either step down or be impeached. Regardless of his actual political views, that he didn’t shows his professionalism.

These new talking heads know that their job isn’t to report the news… it’s to provide income to their networks by increasing their ratings. By any means necessary. That means getting viewers to keep tuning in, by shouting, shaking their fists, exaggerating the truth in the name of good copy, whatever works.

I will agree that MSNBC is a direct byproduct of Fox News. If Fox News disappeared tomorrow, MSNBC would have less of a reason to exist. But when you have a very powerful network like FOX news, backed by very rich investors with a conservative agenda, the other side will seek a voice. Both are profit driven and both have skewed what News was expected to be 50 years ago. Fox did it first. MSNBC is the Batman to the FOX Joker. (one exists as a result of the other) The only difference, which is a big difference, is that MSNBC has made a pretty good living from taking FOX reporting and dissecting it for the slanted conservative, win at all costs, propaganda machine it is. If you are going to scrutinize what “freak show” Olbermann is, then don’t pretend Beck and O’Reilly are saints, they aren’t. You are living under a rock if you haven’t seen them get busted many times over for skewing the news or outright lying. As long as FOX allows derisive pundits like Glenn Beck or Hannity on the air, making things up and contributing nothing good to the political atmosphere of American Politics, then you might want question your vile hatred for Olbermann and the others on MSNBC. The same goes to those who have such contempt for the deficit under Obama, but never said a word in anger when Bush drove up the debt to most of what it is today. It’s disingenuous hatred and it’s easy to retaliate against if it’s a shallow attack.

Nobodys_Stooge said:
Hearing Keitho babble on about newsmen past made me realize just how right he is. He has to go. NOW.

This is Edward R. Murrow, reporting from hell. I have to go now. Nixon and I have a doubles match against Hitler and Elvis Presley in a few minutes.

Unfortunately Mr. Murrow in the view of Olbermann, you reporting from hell or a rooftop isn’t true journalism, nor are the fellows on the West Bank, it’s him talking to a kid from the Daily Kos.

absolutwade said:

Pablo:
I saw the link: Black guy holding a gun. He’s black, so what?

That would be the cropped black guy holding a gun so that the MSLSD crew of nitwits could talk about the white racists carrying guns.

The fact is remains that A GUY STILL PACKED A GUN TO A TOWN HALL MEETING, which, is kind of insane.

If you think you walk into a town hall meeting with the President carrying 2 guns, the insane person is you.

How is that a lie? How is that even remotely a lie?

It’s a lie when you crop his blackness out of the video so that you can point to him as one of those Obama hating racists. If you can’t figure that out, I cannot help you. You are one of the lost.

absolutwade said:
I will agree that MSNBC is a direct byproduct of Fox News.

That’s odd, given that MSNBC went on air before Fox News did.

Oh, and if I die 11 years after this comment, it’ll signify something, but I’m not sure what.

Lulz, Olbermann never references or talks to journalists on the scene, overseas or local? Really? You know they *do* actually have the NBC news resources available to them. Have you actually ever seen his show? I don’t exactly see Hannity, Oreilly, or Beck booking a lot of people that prominently disagree with him. Maddow has begged conservatives to come on her show. They seem to be too intimidated to do so.

Not odd, MSNBC changed format from a Technology based news show like cnet to the model it is now.

absolutwade said:
Lulz, Olbermann never references or talks to journalists on the scene, overseas or local? Really? You know they *do* actually have the NBC news resources available to them.

Which could come back around to Koppel’s point about cost-cutting, the pursuit of profits and the segmentation of news sources into different niches, which if you look past the SEO-ready frame was arguably his point.

It’d take me a couple of minutes to find it, but something I read last year didn’t have any real numbers, but the takeaway was that among the big three broadcasts and the three cablers, MSNBC actually fewest people on staff because they rely heavily on the (unbiased) resources of NBC News.

And if I may revisit something I’ve commented to another thread because I’ve now come around to Ted’s closer… On election night, NBCU produced at least three different coverages, all designed to serve different audiences from three different points of view. I say “at least” because the Weather Channel may have also done something, which I didn’t see.

“His Blackness…”

lol. That is by far, the best line used in this thread today. Bravo sir.

Clearly the man did not get into the town hall meeting, he was standing outside. But are really going to rationalize a man is standing there in a crowd near the presidential town hall meeting with a gun? If this story is fabricated by MSNBC completely from the ground up, what ya think that guy is doing there? The footage is without a doubt *at* the town hall meeting, outside where it was being held. If you can rationalize what point he was making, you sir, belong on FOX news.

Actually, if you watched that whole segment, the argument was more about people carrying guns and inciting violence and disturbance at the town hall meetings, Contessa Brewer was the only one who ran with the racist element to the story. Also, it’s not like she didn’t have a basis for it considering all the racist signs and slogans leading up to protest and rally’s last summer. Keep in mind, this was also around the time a man walked into a Jewish Heritage Museum months before and shot up the place, Death threats called in to the White House at an unprecedented rate and most with racial tones to them (as reported by various news outlets). Seriously, if this could not possibly just be an overzealous Brewer commenting on the story, then how do you give FOX NEWS ANY pass at all on their many and repeated “oopsie” moments. If that is “bald face lying” then what do you call FOX news does day in and day out?

littleboybloyer lied:
Impeachment has never been mentioned by Issa.

“It’s very clear that allegation is one that everyone from Arlen Spector to Dick Morris has said is in fact a crime, and could be impeachable,” said Issa, who is threatening to file an ethics compliant if Sestak doesn’t provide more details about the alleged job offer.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/25/congressman-white-house-job-offer-sestak-impeachable-offense/

Olbermann’s inability to edit himself results in his “small-l liberalism” remark, which displays stunning ignorance about the meaning of nineteenth-century, “small-l” liberalism, as Frances notes in an unusual display of Mediaite scholarship. Modern libertarians like Reason mag and Cong. Paul of Texas are the small-l libs that ignoramus Olbermann inadvertantly was talking about.

Ain’t it great to be stupid and still make $30/million over four years?!? And MessNBC might even rehire this dolt, although their ratings might go up if they don’t

Olbermann is hoist by his own petard when he claims “objective journalism” as practiced by Fox is the enemy. Just how stupid can this asshole be?

Did he manage to work the word FART into this mix?

That is always my favourite.

the real john t said:
“OH! But you RWers never call Obama a fascist, socialist, communist, etc etc do you?”

dummy123 says:
“Are we still pretending Barry is not a socialist??”

One of my small satisfactions reading these comments is when a comment content matches the “name” used for the person making a comment.

No, dummy, Obama is not a socialist or anything even close to a socialist. You need to stop listening to the lies that come from the propaganda outfit, FoxPAC, especially the systematic liar, Glenn Beck.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/07/glenn-beck-does-his-best-robert-walsh.html

Still not convinced that Obama is a liberal-corporatist? See:

http://www.regressiveantidote.net/Articles/The_Do-Nothing_44th_President.html

One more point for you dummy reactionaries ever so eager to stick a knife into the President’s ribs: his name is Barack, not Barry.

ChickaBOOMer| Keith Olbermann: Don’t Touch My Junk
http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2010/11/keith-olbermann-dont-touch-my-junk.html

Say what you want about Olbermann but he hit it out of the park last night.

absolutwade said:
Clearly the man did not get into the town hall meeting, he was standing outside. But are really going to rationalize a man is standing there in a crowd near the presidential town hall meeting with a gun?

Why would you have to rationalize anything? I generally don’t run around trying to rationalize the perfectly legal behavior of complete strangers.

Jeez – this guy will do/say anything to rationalize his behavior…

While I agree with his point that investigative journalism is important and has been lacking in favor of a bunch of journalists writing innuendo filled articles or rushing out articles and not getting the facts straight trying to catch a lot of eyeballs, I hope he remembers that he is one of the same.

And the Fox “fair and balanced” criticism. Fox knows there’s an audience that just wants a synopsis of both sides. Superficial – maybe…but better than knowing nothing.

David Mangan says:
“Ain’t it great to be stupid and still make $30/million over four years?!?”

You should ask that question of Beck who is far less informed, far less educated, tells whoppers that sound “completely insane,” and makes more than that in ONE year.

sarainitaly said:
he is a loon. and a joke.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is the last person to be calling anyone else a loon and a joke.

Hugo Daun said:
“It’s very clear that allegation is one that everyone from Arlen Spector to Dick Morris has said is in fact a crime, and could be impeachable,” said Issa, who is threatening to file an ethics compliant if Sestak doesn’t provide more details about the alleged job offer.

LOL, mentioning a crime that is impeachable, did he say he was going to impeach Obama? If Obama killed the White House butler that would be impeachable too.
As long as the democrats control the Senate no one is going to impeach Obama.

littleboybloyer said:
LOL, mentioning a crime that is impeachable…

littleboybloyer said:
Impeachment has never been mentioned by Issa.

You got busted in a lie, El Gordo.

Try to spin it however you like, dummy…you’re a liar.

The first thing that Keith Olbermann needs to understand, but will never understand is that the concept of objectivity does NOT mean that a journalist can never come to a judgment. Rather it means a respect for ideas and for conversation itself. A respect for analysis, for debate, for the back and forth.

Olbermann gives nod to that notion, but with his ‘Vince Foster — the moon is a balloon’ analogy, it is only to liken it to suggesting that he’s being asked to give air time to any inane idea out there. In Olbermann’s world, facts are as concrete as baseball card and he’s collected all of them. He doesn’t need any conflicting analysis, thank you very much…That’s because to Keith there IS only one viable point of view. His. All else is lies, distortions, fallacy.

Edward R. Murrow, the man whom Keith gives as an best example of informed subjective reporting, did NOT conduct his show as though he had nothing to learn from varying voices. He did not act as though issues and political positions were doctrinal matters where an airing of contrary ideas is tantamount to playing with blasphemy. The example of Murrow’s confrontation with Sen. McCarthy, belies Olbermann’s own methods, rather than bolstering them.

(It makes one wonder if in Olbermann’s analysis of Murrow’s treatment by CBS, after his McCarthy interview, if Olbermann isn’t suggesting that he is soon to be the victim of corporate interests aligning against him.)

Olbermann cannot give us an example of Cronkite or Murrow yelling at an American president to “shut the hell up”. He cannot show us where they juxtaposed the head of an American president with a groundhog. Neither Murrow or Cronkite would have entertained the likes of Michael Musto, replete with sneering insults at social conservatives and obscene double-entendre about American citizens banding together in opposition to an presidential administration’s policies.

Just as Olbermann wants to suggest that MSNBC policies are both illegal AND laudable because they are more strict than those at FOX, he wants it both ways now with Koppel. He’s essentially arguing that he should be able to run a tv show where he routinely denigrates a rival network, names his time slot competition as “Worst Person In the World”, and has a defacto ban on anyone who may espouse an a conservative position. AND be accorded respectful consideration and credibility when doing subjective news analysis.

Well, someone needs to tell him (and MSNBC) that he can’t do both. He can’t run his show like it’s an adjunct of Daily Kos, the Daily Show, and O’Reillysucks.com, AND have the gravitas to be considered anything other than a partisan polemicist.

God knows, EVEN Keith Olbermann would give lip service to the fact that he’s no Murrow, Cronkite, or Koppel. However, Olbermann isn’t even a Chris Matthews, who does enjoy politics, discussion, and debate.

That makes Keith’s pompous schooling of Koppel especially ignorant and arrogant. It’s the height of irony that in course of making the scions of journalism his boyhood heros, that in their “little l liberalism” Olbermann saw only an appeal to cultural elitism, ego, and disdain for opposition.

Olbermann is most certainly not a “little l liberal” and he’s not a big L LIberal either. He’s a capital I, as in me, myself, mine. He’s a closed minded snob of the most rabid sort. He’s a toxic presence wherever he goes, no more so to his own fans, who hold him accountable only to their own ethos of ideological zealotry.

Mr. Olbermann is certainly no Ted Koppel, Walter Cronkite, let alone Edward R. Murrow.

No, you sir, are only a narcissist and a demagogue (small d), sure to muck up any sandbox you sit in.

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So, to sum up, (and this is great)

I asked what Rachel maddow got caught lying about: No answer.

After non stop blustering about MSNBC being such liars, we’ve been given one example that doesn’t hold much weight.

Funny how Olbermann is the focus here and yet no one can sight an example of him lying on this thread. Which seems to be the focus of the which hunt here. “MSNBC ARE ALL LIARS, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NO GOOD EVIDENCE OF THAT CLAIM BUT I WILL KEEP SHOUTING IT ANYWAY”.

Olbermann is opinionated, sure. So are O’Reilly, Beck, and Hannity, equally if not more offensive. they may not say “shut up Mr. President” but they laud racialist and hateful comments disguised as thoughtful commentary on a daily basis with a snark and grin and those of you who watch it, love it, just like Olbermann fans love it when he does it. You accept the vile behavior in your own cheerleaders but you criticize the same behavior used by the other team. It is hypocrisy and you can’t defend it very well when you get so radical and act like the people you like to watch are “untouchable”. You want Olbermann to go away (2008-2009 radical jump in ratings) then make Beck go away, Make FOX news stop “Making crap up” and you being okay with it as long as it serves your ideology. You accepted crap journalism at FOX because it suited you, but yell loudly when another network points a finger at it and calls it shenanigans. The difference is, MsNBC is able to do it without just “making crap up”, all they have to do is point out when FOX and their commentators do, and as long as they do, Olbermann has a job.

absolutwade says:
“Funny how Olbermann is the focus here and yet no one can sight an example of him lying on this thread.”

I can give you an example of a lie and of him getting his facts wrong twice.

The lie is the same lie that Beck tells about Van Jones (again, just last week), namely that he’s a Communist. That’s a lie, and Beck knows it. Van Jones WAS a Communist.

In Olbermann’s case, he referred to C. O’Donnell multiple times as a witch during the campaign. Olbermann knew damn well that she WAS a witch many years before. It may seem petty, but his detractors can use such an example to claim that Olbermann is no better than Beck which is bunk, but they make that claim.

Olbermann also got his facts wrong twice to my knowledge. Once PolitiFact caught it:
“Keith Olbermann who stated, “Subsidies for oil and gas companies make up 88 percent of all federal subsidies. Just cutting the oil and gas subsidies out would save the U.S. government $45 billion every year.” PolitiFact ranked this as “False” because “He muffs two statistics in two sentences”

The other error I caught due to my expertise on the rodeo clown, Mr. Beck.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/08/keith-olbermann-does-not-understand.html

So how often do you see fans of Beck who can and will point out the lies that Beck tells? This comes from knowing facts to begin with and having a critical mind no matter who is speaking, characteristics Beckerheads seem to lack.

This is not to paint an equivalency between Olbermann and Beck or MSNBC and FoxPAC. Beck tells more lies in a week than Olbermann does over the course of a year. That being said, I would gladly wave good-bye to MSNBC if FoxPAC of lies would disappear first. Olbermann got that part right last night: MSNBC is an organic development to the environment established by the propagandists at FoxPAC.

absolutwade said:
Funny how Olbermann is the focus here and yet no one can sight an example of him lying on this thread.

maybe because there are so many, it’s difficult to know where to start?

http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2007/12/keith_olbermann_71.php#more
http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/iblog/C1049953760/E20060411220251/index.html
http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/iblog/C168863457/E20051204150047/index.html
http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010/11/15/worst-person-in-left-wing-media-keith-olbermanns-bold-faced-lies-the-war-hes-now-having-with-msnbc-for-donating-to-democrats/
http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2006/12/

This should get you going….

opinionated blogs are amusing to read. Not substantiated and based on fact, but amusing. I could easily list about 50 for every 1 you list here for each of the counter pundits on FOX, you know this, I know this because Tyler knows this. Seriously Sara, did you defend this vigorously when the slime comments were being thrown about last summer against Obama that were easily proven a load of crap? I’m going to guess no. Refer to my my last post why you didn’t.

GlennBeckReview at least cited factual instances that could be taken as disingenuous banter (not actually a lie, she was a self admitted witch and the right would have run with that all over the news if they had it on a liberal candidate. Olbermann likes to give back what they dish out. Not always pretty and nice, but again, Olbermann is a byproduct of the Fox Propaganda machine. Make FOX knock it off and Olbermann would fade away.

absolutwade said:
Funny how Olbermann is the focus here and yet no one can sight an example of him lying on this thread.

examples cited.

absolutwade says:
“GlennBeckReview at least cited factual instances that could be taken as disingenuous banter ”

The key word is “disingenuous.” If he wants to argue the high ground as he does for his version of the truth, then he has to stop saying things that are inaccurate, or make the corrections when he does speak in error as we all do sometimes.

The third example I offered was Olbermann claiming something about Beck’s transcripts that he didn’t understand. They’re not whitewashed as he claimed, they are what Beck is supposed to say on his show, his script which he seems to deviate from routinely. To my knowledge, Olbermann never corrected that misunderstanding. (I don’t think his staff read The Review, but not for lack of trying on my part.)

“Olbermann likes to give back what they dish out.” He needs to stick scrupulously to the facts as he does this. Otherwise, he opens the door to his critics like those at OlbermannWatch to point their fingers and say, “He’s lying.” I can’t stress this enough: his reputation as a journalist is at stake.

I think he needs to get rid of OddBall. It’s fun, but not necessary. I’m glad that he announced last night that some version of “Worst Persons” is coming back.

absolutwade said:
Funny how Olbermann is the focus here and yet no one can sight an example of him lying on this thread.

sarainitaly says:
maybe because there are so many, it’s difficult to know where to start?

http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2007/12/keith_olbermann_71.php#more

Sara, it doesn’t bother you in the least that Olbermann is referred to “Monkeymann” on Olbermann watch? YOu don’t think that such name calling calls their credibility in to question?

No wonder abbsolutwade dismissed your references as “opinionated blogs.”

I’m very careful not to fall into that trap, one that someone like Beck sets everyday with his mean-spirited rhetoric.

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