There isn’t a jail cell big enough for Michael Moore’s ass.

They should be, no question about it. The problem is that the Politicians are bought and paid for? where is Christopher Cox, that was meant to be overseeing their activities during the crash?

It’s impossible, they leave their jobs and go to Govt. or just pay for their campaign, and the taxpayers end up being the only losers.

What a life. By the way all the Politicians of all the parties are in their pockets.

This clown actually believes that people have a “right” to a job.

What a maroon.

I know this thread will be off on the “Moore is stoopid” and “Moore is a libulr dumb dummy: tracks.

But that being said, he is right on this one. It is simply unacceptable that more people aren’t in jail.

Remember all the reports about the Tea Party rallies over the last few years and how “angry” and “white” they looked. Why is being “angry” and “white” not OK? Where is all that Olbermann outrage about “angry white people”. Gawd this is just too easy… :).

skyfet said:
They should be, no question about it. The problem is that the Politicians are bought and paid for? where is Christopher Cox, that was meant to be overseeing their activities during the crash? It’s impossible, they leave their jobs and go to Govt. or just pay for their campaign, and the taxpayers end up being the only losers. What a life. By the way all the Politicians of all the parties are in their pockets.

Dodd too. Everyone wants to blame the other team and ignore what their team did. Both parties sold us out and we all sit here and yell for team blue or team red. Like it matters.

“The country isn’t broke.” “Jobs are a national resource, and people have a right to ‘em!” This guy is almost as good an economist as Paul Krugman! He’s one “9/11 was a huge stimulus… all those broken windows!” from a Nobel Prize.

Does Moore list all the Libs who are among the ‘Rich’ he rails against? Like George Soros, perhaps? Libs speak about the Rich as though they aren’t among them.

Does that include Michael Moore’s Rich Fat Ass too?

catfishjuggling said:
I know this thread will be off on the “Moore is stoopid” and “Moore is a libulr dumb dummy: tracks. But that being said, he is right on this one. It is simply unacceptable that more people aren’t in jail.

How about “Moore is a multi-millionaire hypocrite?” Honestly, the day this guy gives most of his money to the poor people he claims to be so passionate about then I’ll give him credit. (Say, keep a million dollars and give the rest to charity?)

I agree there are a lot of people on Wall street (and in Washington) who deserve to be in jail, though.

We should all be very glad Moore has no actual power and could never be elected if he tried because his views are scary when looked at through real world glasses.

That and his selective memory when he leaves out anything or anyone that doesn;t match his agendas even though his “side” is as guilty as any other.

And let’s hope Moore’s ass never goes to jail,they’d need a whole wing for it to fit.

Whatever you do, though, don’t put your grubby paws on Dingy Harry’s Cowboy Poets.

That would be a moral outrage that would stain America’s soul for eternity.

Corporate thugs

Good God this man is stupid. A hypocrite too!

With the spotlight on Wisconsin’s union thugs rampaging across the state, one wonders why it took propaganda filmmaker Michael Moore so long to put himself in front of the news cameras to take some of their publicity for himself. But this weekend, Moore finally glommed onto the cameras making himself out to be a great supporter of the union’s efforts in the Badger State. Once again, though, Moore proves to be a hypocrite. It was Moore, after all, that excluded using union workers in one of his recent films. Some supporter of unions!

Filmmaker Moore attend a recent Wisconsin pro-union rally and regaled the crowd with an address saying, “Madison is only the beginning.”

“We’re going to do this together. Don’t give up. Please don’t give up,” Moore told the protesters, who have swarmed the Capitol every day for close to three weeks.

Oh, he’s a great supporter, right? But let us drift back only a few years to 2009 when he was filming his last bomb, Capitalism: A Love Story. During that production we found that Moore didn’t hire union stagehands (the IATSE) for his film.

According to his agent, Ari Emanuel, Moore claimed that he used non-union labor because the stagehands union doesn’t “respect documentary filmmakers” or some such thing.

It made the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) mad enough that they refused all the free tickets Moore tried to offer them when the movie debuted. Yet here are these teachers in Wisconsin now falling all over themselves because Moore came publicity seeking in front of them. For shame that their institutional memory is so shallow, eh?

That wasn’t the only time that Moore made a film snubbing union workers, either. Back in 2000 Moore directed a music video for the band Rage Against The Machine and non-union workers were also used in that production.

Just last year Moore made a stir by stealing the work of a newspaper and re-posting the entire thing on his own website as if it was his own work. He even took the video produced by the Knoxville News Sentinel, took the paper’s logo off it, then reposted it as if it was his own work.

Moore has long been an opponent of copyright protection and thinks that everyone’s work should be free.

In any case, Michael Moore is a supreme hypocrite, typical of a liberal, saying one thing and doing another.

If this sounds like a polemical version “second verse, same as the first,” don’t be fooled. This version of Moore’s enmity to America’s wealthy came complete with hand cuffs and a demand for justice.

HE IS ONE OF AMERICAS WEALTHY!!! Man, you libs are giant hypo’s. In this case it’s not just figuratively.

catfishjuggling said:
But that being said, he is right on this one. It is simply unacceptable that more people aren’t in jail.

Like who, and for what?

ImJustDamnAwful says:
Corporate thugs

LIberal morons.

Pablo said:
Like who, and for what?

anyone you might know?

tatboy said:
Remember all the reports about the Tea Party rallies over the last few years and how “angry” and “white” they looked. Why is being “angry” and “white” not OK?

It is OK now. See the hippie freak mob in WI. Very white, very angry, very smelly.

It only wrong to be white if you’re conservative. It’s also wrong to be black and conservative, FWIW.

Hypocrisy, is an epidemic in America. Runs the entire gamut. We’ve lost our way. The vultures of the world, patiently await our slow and agonizing death. What a feast.

Pablo said:
Like who, and for what?

Anyone on wall street who sold AAA bonds, knowing they were no good.

If all the left can rally around is this bloated carcass then they are truly in bad shape.

HE’S all you got? THAT’S what you’re using as a spokesman? Yeah, that’ll really give the left’s argument credibility. But, hey….don’t let a little thing like that stop you, lefties. Hang onto his every word and quote his every snort.

Let’s see how far that gets you.

It’s a good thing Moore lives meagerly and without wealth… ore his rant against wealthy people would be really hollow.

BUT REMEMBER folks… when in a month, an issue crops up, and we say, “Some on the left,” and they respond with, “Oh yeah, who?” and we point to Michael Moore… he is NOT representative of anyone but himself. It just so happens that the highest rated left-wing program on MSNBC gives him air time, and the left-wingers on Mediaite agree with him most of the time… well, that doesn’t mean he’s “one of them.” Or something.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Corporate thugs

Too bad the fellow in your avatar voted to bail them out, huh? That must drive you up a wall.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Anyone on wall street who sold AAA bonds, knowing they were no good.

Hmmm…Like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, who forced the ‘affordable housing’ train wreck on us, knowing that the buyers couldn’t pay back the loans?

Anything you can say, I can say better.

Pablo said:
It is OK now. See the hippie freak mob in WI. Very white, very angry, very smelly.

It only wrong to be white if you’re conservative. It’s also wrong to be black and conservative, FWIW.

Playing the race card already? isn’t too early for that crap Mr.?

Oregon Conservative said:
Good God this man is stupid. A hypocrite too! With the spotlight on Wisconsin’s union thugs rampaging across the state, one wonders why it took propaganda filmmaker Michael Moore so long to put himself in front of the news cameras to take some of their publicity for himself. But this weekend, Moore finally glommed onto the cameras making himself out to be a great supporter of the union’s efforts in the Badger State. Once again, though, Moore proves to be a hypocrite. It was Moore, after all, that excluded using union workers in one of his recent films. Some supporter of unions! Filmmaker Moore attend a recent Wisconsin pro-union rally and regaled the crowd with an address saying, “Madison is only the beginning.” “We’re going to do this together. Don’t give up. Please don’t give up,” Moore told the protesters, who have swarmed the Capitol every day for close to three weeks. Oh, he’s a great supporter, right? But let us drift back only a few years to 2009 when he was filming his last bomb, Capitalism: A Love Story. During that production we found that Moore didn’t hire union stagehands (the IATSE) for his film. According to his agent, Ari Emanuel, Moore claimed that he used non-union labor because the stagehands union doesn’t “respect documentary filmmakers” or some such thing. It made the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) mad enough that they refused all the free tickets Moore tried to offer them when the movie debuted. Yet here are these teachers in Wisconsin now falling all over themselves because Moore came publicity seeking in front of them. For shame that their institutional memory is so shallow, eh? That wasn’t the only time that Moore made a film snubbing union workers, either. Back in 2000 Moore directed a music video for the band Rage Against The Machine and non-union workers were also used in that production. Just last year Moore made a stir by stealing the work of a newspaper and re-posting the entire thing on his own website as if it was his own work. He even took the video produced by the Knoxville News Sentinel, took the paper’s logo off it, then reposted it as if it was his own work. Moore has long been an opponent of copyright protection and thinks that everyone’s work should be free. In any case, Michael Moore is a supreme hypocrite, typical of a liberal, saying one thing and doing another.

OC……..being able to forget your last instance of being a cock holster is part of the job description of a whore. This is one area where they actually excell.

Too bad it isn’t in educating our children.

ChrisNH said:
Hmmm…Like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, who forced the ‘affordable housing’ train wreck on us, knowing that the buyers couldn’t pay back the loans?

Anything you can say, I can say better.

Oh yeah, the ‘affordable housing’ that wall street took advantage of by packaging the investments as AAA bonds.

skyfet said:
Playing the race card already? isn’t too early for that crap Mr.?

Playing the dumbass card? I guess it’s never too early to show everyone you’re an idiot.

VoiceofReason says:

Playing the dumbass card? I guess it’s never too early to show everyone you’re an idiot.

Hey, sometimes you have to play the hand you were dealt. Even if it’s a bad one.

Moore just proved to everyone that he is INSANE. He needs to join Charlie Sheen at skyfet’s house.

if i were moore i wouldn’t be talking about other peoples’ asses…

catfishjuggling said:
I know this thread will be off on the “Moore is stoopid” and “Moore is a libulr dumb dummy: tracks. But that being said, he is right on this one. It is simply unacceptable that more people aren’t in jail.

I don’t think Moore is stupid.

He is smart as a whip and plays stupid liberals for every dime they are worth.

I thought Jason Biggs was a Rhodes Scholar? He sure got played like a dumb lib by this hypocrite and snake oil salesman.

Maybe it’s just an acute case of ideological blindness, she can’t see how stupid she appears supporting this fraud.

VoiceofReason said:
Playing the dumbass card? I guess it’s never too early to show everyone you’re an idiot.

I thought you left the site, perhaps you were bored. Now you are back, throwing insults already.

Liberal Tormentor said:
VoiceofReason says: Playing the dumbass card? I guess it’s never too early to show everyone you’re an idiot. Hey, sometimes you have to play the hand you were dealt. Even if it’s a bad one.

At first, I thought he just had a subsciption to Dumbass Monthly…….but the instances of his moronic behavior lead me to think he has a big bowl of dumbass for breakfast every morning.

If he’s just playing stupid…….he’s winning!

gordonbloyershow said:
Moore just proved to everyone that he is INSANE. He needs to join Charlie Sheen at skyfet’s house.

I think you are bored, you just wake up and throw bombs for no reason.

skyfet said:
I thought you left the site, perhaps you were bored. Now you are back, throwing insults already.

Just sharing my insight. Like you.

Don’t like to be insulted? Try refraining for a minute or two.

Let that sore under your nose heal and folks won’t be so quick to point out your shortcomings.

VoiceofReason said:
Just sharing my insight. Like you.

Don’t like to be insulted? Try refraining for a minute or two.

Let that sore under your nose heal and folks won’t be so quick to point out your shortcomings.

Insult all you like, if it makes you happy. You can fill your day with it.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Oh yeah, the ‘affordable housing’ that wall street took advantage of by packaging the investments as AAA bonds.

And who did those Wall Street fat cats support during the last election cycle?

skyfet said:
Insult all you like, if it makes you happy. You can fill your day with it.

Thank you.

skyfet said:
Playing the race card already? isn’t too early for that crap Mr.?

Are you serious? The left plays the race card before a story even developes. It’s one of the few things you got left in you arsenal.

VoiceofReason said:
I thought Jason Biggs was a Rhodes Scholar? He sure got played like a dumb lib by this hypocrite and snake oil salesman.

Jason Biggs? Gotta say, I don’t see it. She’s a dead ringer for Ralph Macchio.

VoiceofReason said:
And who did those Wall Street fat cats support during the last election cycle?

Obama

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
Obama

Because he’s just that damn good!

VoiceofReason said:
And who did those Wall Street fat cats support during the last election cycle?

And who was in Power when the wall street robbed the country blind after crashing the system?

BadGenome said:
Because he’s just that damn good!

And also because they wanted to grease the skids for, say, another bailout or an Obamacare waiver. Looks like they’re getting their money’s worth.

Right, Michael. We all know that the only people who are allowed to be rich are disgusting liberal hypocrites like you, Bill Maher and the rest.

The funny thing is that Wall Street donated overwhelmingly for Obama in 2008.

skyfet said:
Insult all you like, if it makes you happy. You can fill your day with it.

I guess you now know how it felt when Dems rammed through HCR with a “preocedural manuver” on a psrty line vote. Payback’s a bitch.

skyfet said:
And who was in Power when the wall street robbed the country blind after crashing the system?

Republicans held the White House and Democrats controlled Congress, I believe.

VoiceofReason said:
I don’t think Moore is stupid. He is smart as a whip and plays stupid liberals for every dime they are worth. I thought Jason Biggs was a Rhodes Scholar? He sure got played like a dumb lib by this hypocrite and snake oil salesman. Maybe it’s just an acute case of ideological blindness, she can’t see how stupid she appears supporting this fraud.

You see the same genius in Beck I assume?

Just to be clear: I think they are both snake oil salesmen and I think this stupid blue/red game is just a way for the people to be entertained while their being robbed. If you think Obama is a magic demon destroying America you are as clueless as the people who thought he would save us.

BadGenome said:
Republicans held the White House and Democrats controlled Congress, I believe.

Right!
and was in charge of the SEC?

Michael Moore is a rich fat-cat fraud and a fame whore. I wonder which one of Maddow’s interns had pick out all the green M&Ms for him this time. Moore is a fraud and a sycophant. He doesn’t care about anything except his brand.

skyfet said:
And who was in Power when the wall street robbed the country blind after crashing the system?

I think Dems were righting the laws chief. And a Progressive RINO was in the WH cosigning them.

BadGenome said:
Jason Biggs? Gotta say, I don’t see it. She’s a dead ringer for Ralph Macchio.

NO WAY!!! That is Jason Biggs with a crappy hair cut.

Pablo said:
Like who, and for what?

How about we start with the people with the major institutions who knowing wrapped tranches of subprime mortgages as AAA securities and sold them to private investors and pension funds? There is a pretty clear example of fraud.

How about the mortgage originators who knowingly submitted fake paperwork? Maybe we should demand the origination fees for those loans back?

No. Let’s just blame at the lefties (if you’re on the red team–the poor people and the libruls are all at fault) or teabaggers of you are are screaming from the left (yeah, it’s them–it can’t be anyone the regulators of both parties or the Clinton era banking rules)!!!! Instead of looking at the people who screwed up we all just scream at each other.

They are playing you and you can’t see it. Just sad.

I don’t think sycophant is the word you are looking for.

catfishjuggling said:
I know this thread will be off on the “Moore is stoopid” and “Moore is a libulr dumb dummy: tracks.

But that being said, he is right on this one. It is simply unacceptable that more people aren’t in jail.

Matt Taibbi did a great write-up on this very issue. I know lots of people will dismiss him as he works for Rolling Stone, but the guy throws rocks in every direction. He’s really one of the only reason the magazine is still relevant. He’s also one of the few investigative journalists who knows that they’re really all just Republicrats in the end.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216

skyfet said:
Right!
and was in charge of the SEC?

Chris Cox?

VoiceofReason said:
And who did those Wall Street fat cats support during the last election cycle?

And the last time gas got to $4 a gallon it was BNush’s fault b/c he was in the pocket of “Big Oil”. BTW Who got the most “Big Oil” money in the last prez election? I just can’t remember. Can anyone help me on that one… anyone… Bueller…. Bueller…

VoiceofReason said:
NO WAY!!! That is Jason Biggs with a crappy hair cut.

You are blinder than any of these Obama nuthuggers, my friend. She is so clearly Ralph Macchio circa 1984.

VoiceofReason said:
I think Dems were righting the laws chief. And a Progressive RINO was in the WH cosigning them.

WOW, I didn’t know Paulsson was a Dem. The last time I checked he was working for W, and I clearly, clearly remember him going around congress begging for money for his buddies in wall street.

Keep yourself in the dark and keep treating it like a red vs blue issue, it’s sad to be a useful idiot.

Who is Salacious Crumb said:
Michael Moore is a rich fat-cat fraud and a fame whore. I wonder which one of Maddow’s interns had pick out all the green M&Ms for him this time. Moore is a fraud and a sycophant. He doesn’t care about anything except his brand.

I don’t think sycophant is the word you are looking for.

skyfet said:
I don’t think sycophant is the word you are looking for.

He sucks up to prominent liberals and, most recently, the protesters in WI, to get in his name on the wire services so it dutifully applies.

Who is Salacious Crumb said:
He sucks up to prominent liberals and, most recently, the protesters in WI, to get in his name on the wire services so it dutifully applies.

I don’t think that is what you meant. He is one of the lefties, so how can he suck up to himself? also, he rants day in day out about the Govt. (during the Bush’s year), and that word definitely applies to someone who sucks up to the Govt. in a way that isn’t genuine.

tatboy said:
And the last time gas got to $4 a gallon it was BNush’s fault b/c he was in the pocket of “Big Oil”. BTW Who got the most “Big Oil” money in the last prez election? I just can’t remember. Can anyone help me on that one… anyone… Bueller…. Bueller…

They are both in the pockets of big oil. The only delusion is the one you have that Obama is somehow Stalin. The guy couldn’t be farther from a Socialist. You guys live in dream land. Who do you think gave big money to his election campaign? Big freaking business.

You have two corporate controlled parties. One talks nice to brown people. One tells them to lift themselves up. Neither actually does anything. And then you trolls all scream at each other all day.

Then end.

BadGenome said:
Chris Cox?

Who was a?

skyfet said:
I don’t think that is what you meant. He is one of the lefties, so how can he suck up to himself? also, he rants day in day out about the Govt. (during the Bush’s year), and that word definitely applies to someone who sucks up to the Govt. in a way that isn’t genuine.

Play semantics all you want, and the real Michael Moore is about the biggest capitalist you’ll ever meet.

Who is Salacious Crumb said:
Play semantics all you want, and the real Michael Moore is about the biggest capitalist you’ll ever meet.

Right!

catfishjuggling said:
You see the same genius in Beck I assume? Just to be clear: I think they are both snake oil salesmen and I think this stupid blue/red game is just a way for the people to be entertained while their being robbed. If you think Obama is a magic demon destroying America you are as clueless as the people who thought he would save us.

I see Beck for an asute money maker, just like Moore, yes.

But I do see differences. While Beck makes his money unashamedly touting the system of capitalism he works to a T…….Moore decries it while laughing all the way to the bank. I cannot condone that type of rank hypocrisy. I see Beck inviting everyone who happens to hear his screed, to check for themselves. Do your own research seems to be his mantra more times than not. I also see Moore lie and obfuscate when issues he has presented as unassailable fact are called to question. Much like Al Gore…..any dissenting opinion is just plain wrong. Forget that neither do much in the way of providing a forum for those with dissenting ideals. Bitch about Beck, but he has had that hotline phone for anyone in the admin to call and call him out on inaccuarcies or lies. That is something. Gore won’t even field a freaking question. At least Moore is honest about his communist ideals. That he packages them in the manner he does gives me pause….but at least he isn’t hiding it like guys like Obama.

And no, I don’t think Obama is a magic demon. I think he is a very charismatic man with little to no real world experience and woefully unqualified to lead this nation. I think he has implemented policies that are exascerbating our problems not rectifying them. I think he has little to no practical experience to call on when faced with crisis. I think he has surrounded himself with two kinds of folks……lickspittles who would tell him boo if his face was covered in shit and people who truly believe that some sort of European style democratic socialism is a good system to be implemented here to some degree.

Much like my semester of anatomy hardly quailifes me to operate on a person’s brain…..in spite of me having a PhD in engineering……..Obama’s brief tenure in the insulated ivory towers of Chicago colleges, his short stint in the Ill legislature highlighted by his “present” votes and support for aborting live children that result from failed infanticide and his even shorter time spent as a US senator while campaigning for his next job has left him woefully incapable of leading and inept at conflict resolution.

catfishjuggling said:
They are both in the pockets of big oil. The only delusion is the one you have that Obama is somehow Stalin. The guy couldn’t be farther from a Socialist. You guys live in dream land. Who do you think gave big money to his election campaign? Big freaking business.

You have two corporate controlled parties. One talks nice to brown people. One tells them to lift themselves up. Neither actually does anything. And then you trolls all scream at each other all day.

Then end.

Exactly. The richest people in this country are apolitical. Democrats and Republicans are all just puppets being jerked around by the people that are really calling the shots. They don’t care about any of this. Look at what’s been the hot talking points: Planned Parenthood, NPR, union-busting, Muslim hearings; all excellent divisive issues to keep the clueless electorate yelling at each other like it’s a football game. None of these issues are more than a drop in a lake of financial disarray we are in. Yet, as long as we are all acting like stupid goons towards one another the gravy train gets to keep rolling.

skyfet said:
WOW, I didn’t know Paulsson was a Dem. The last time I checked he was working for W, and I clearly, clearly remember him going around congress begging for money for his buddies in wall street. Keep yourself in the dark and keep treating it like a red vs blue issue, it’s sad to be a useful idiot.

Hey numbnuts…..don’t put Bush on me. That’s your boy. He was progressive big spender RINO through and through.

And don’t be so hard on yourself. It’s sad you’re a useful idiot, but knowing is half the battle.

Yo Joe!!

Michael Moore on the wealthy,3/3/11/

“that’s not theirs(money),that’s a national resource that’s OURS.Ours??ours, you included Michael??what you dont have enough money(ELIGEDLY 50+MIL)what you are not fat enough ethere?

SELF SERVING HYPOCRITE!

catfishjuggling said:
They are both in the pockets of big oil. The only delusion is the one you have that Obama is somehow Stalin. The guy couldn’t be farther from a Socialist. You guys live in dream land. Who do you think gave big money to his election campaign? Big freaking business. You have two corporate controlled parties. One talks nice to brown people. One tells them to lift themselves up. Neither actually does anything. And then you trolls all scream at each other all day. Then end.

Ronulan?

Or Infowarrior?

VoiceofReason said:
I see Beck for an asute money maker, just like Moore, yes. But I do see differences. While Beck makes his money unashamedly touting the system of capitalism he works to a T…….Moore decries it while laughing all the way to the bank. I cannot condone that type of rank hypocrisy. I see Beck inviting everyone who happens to hear his screed, to check for themselves. Do your own research seems to be his mantra more times than not. I also see Moore lie and obfuscate when issues he has presented as unassailable fact are called to question. Much like Al Gore…..any dissenting opinion is just plain wrong. Forget that neither do much in the way of providing a forum for those with dissenting ideals. Bitch about Beck, but he has had that hotline phone for anyone in the admin to call and call him out on inaccuarcies or lies. That is something. Gore won’t even field a freaking question. At least Moore is honest about his communist ideals. That he packages them in the manner he does gives me pause….but at least he isn’t hiding it like guys like Obama. And no, I don’t think Obama is a magic demon. I think he is a very charismatic man with little to no real world experience and woefully unqualified to lead this nation. I think he has implemented policies that are exascerbating our problems not rectifying them. I think he has little to no practical experience to call on when faced with crisis. I think he has surrounded himself with two kinds of folks……lickspittles who would tell him boo if his face was covered in shit and people who truly believe that some sort of European style democratic socialism is a good system to be implemented here to some degree. Much like my semester of anatomy hardly quailifes me to operate on a person’s brain…..in spite of me having a PhD in engineering……..Obama’s brief tenure in the insulated ivory towers of Chicago colleges, his short stint in the Ill legislature highlighted by his “present” votes and support for aborting live children that result from failed infanticide and his even shorter time spent as a US senator while campaigning for his next job has left him woefully incapable of leading and inept at conflict resolution.

I think that most every sentence you just wrote about Obama (maybe with the exception of the Socalism part) also applies to the prior President as well. (And to be clear, I do not disagree with most of your Obama description.

VoiceofReason said:
Hey numbnuts…..don’t put Bush on me. That’s your boy. He was progressive big spender RINO through and through.

And don’t be so hard on yourself. It’s sad you’re a useful idiot, but knowing is half the battle.

Yo Joe!!

Interesting! it took you 10yrs to realize W was a RINO. Especially after he is of no use (election wise), if you don’t realize your position is weak now, when will you?

skyfet said:
Who was a?

Evil mastermind of some sort, apparently.

im_lovin_it said:
Exactly. The richest people in this country are apolitical. Democrats and Republicans are all just puppets being jerked around by the people that are really calling the shots. They don’t care about any of this. Look at what’s been the hot talking points: Planned Parenthood, NPR, union-busting, Muslim hearings; all excellent divisive issues to keep the clueless electorate yelling at each other like it’s a football game. None of these issues are more than a drop in a lake of financial disarray we are in. Yet, as long as we are all acting like stupid goons towards one another the gravy train gets to keep rolling.

The only problem with this is the TEA party fly in that ointment.

They will derail the gravy train.

In fact…..its already begun.

You can always count on Michael Moore to tell us what the American Left is really thinking. First he tells us that everybody’s money actually belongs to the government. Now we learn that capital formation and stock underwriting — which creates the very wealth Moore wants to seize — should be punishable with prison sentences. Poor Michael, he wants to take away wealth, but doesn’t want it to be created in the first place. Where will he get all the money he needs for socialism and redistribution? Boo, hoo, hoo! And does he realize where this kind of approach leads? Well, I guess he does, since he has visited Cuba….

skyfet said:
Interesting! it took you 10yrs to realize W was a RINO. Especially after he is of no use (election wise), if you don’t realize your position is weak now, when will you?

How do you know it took me ten years, moron? How do you know who I voted for? How do you know what I railed against or supported?

You don’t. But that doesn’t preclude you from running that sore under your beak now does it?

catfishjuggling said:
I think that most every sentence you just wrote about Obama (maybe with the exception of the Socalism part) also applies to the prior President as well. (And to be clear, I do not disagree with most of your Obama description.

Agreed. But all you have done is echo my sentiments that Bush was no conservative…..compassionate or otherwise.

He was a big spending progressive following in the footsteps on Clinton…..the big spending progressive that preceeded him.

VoiceofReason said:
Ronulan? Or Infowarrior?

Neither.

Alex Jones is a fear merchant. Glenn Beck is a fear merchant. Michael Moore is a fear merchant.

Earlier poster mentioned Matt Taibbi’s work. I think he nailed it. “Griftopia” was the best overview of this nightmare I have read. So has Michael Lewis.

I am actually a Menckenian.

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

I realize the notion of someone who thinks both both parties are terrible is hard to handle here (although I seem to remember that it is what teh Tea Party was SUPPOSED to be about).

My politics are like most practical people’s. Somewhere in between the two teams with allegiance to neither. I swear when I read the comments here I am reminded of the old blind Coke/Pepsi taste test commercials from the ’70s. I swear if there wasn’t a D or and R after these guys most of youy would not know how to react. I am POSITIVE that if you were blindfolded and we brought out the exact same Obama and put an R after his name you’d call him the 2nd Reagan.

catfishjuggling said:
I swear if there wasn’t a D or and R after these guys most of youy would not know how to react. I am POSITIVE that if you were blindfolded and we brought out the exact same Obama and put an R after his name you’d call him the 2nd Reagan.

Maybe. But I don’t think Reagan was anything great, so…

Actually, no. He was a great speaker in my estimation, something that definitely sets him apart from Obama.

BadGenome said:
Maybe. But I don’t think Reagan was anything great, so… Actually, no. He was a great speaker in my estimation, something that definitely sets him apart from Obama.

I did say most of you. That does give me some wiggle room. :)

VoiceofReason said:
The only problem with this is the TEA party fly in that ointment.

They will derail the gravy train.

In fact…..its already begun.

I’m not so sure. Look at Scott Walker. He’s clearly in the pocket of billionaires. He’s acting on their interests, not the citizens. Furthermore, Tea Party candidates are talking a big game right now about all the cuts they will make. That’s always big talk for a campaign, but if they really intend to take a chainsaw to all the government programs out there they’re going to face quite a bit of public uproar. Entrenched interests will be more than happy to let Tea Party candidates face the heat if they try and cut into the real cash cows of this economy. To me the Tea Party is the flip side of the Obama phenomenon of 2008. There will be lots of bold talk and promises, but when push comes to shove they’ll fall right in line with John Boehner and all the rest. The public support is admirable, but they’re going to get sold the same sad story in the end.

VoiceofReason said:
VoiceofReason says:
March 10, 2011 at 10:27 am

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I agree with every point that you made with absolutely no reservations.

BTW, the manner that you made them speaks very well of you.

Kudos!

VoiceofReason said:
The only problem with this is the TEA party fly in that ointment.

They will derail the gravy train.

In fact…..its already begun.

Here’s some more Matt Taibbi. It’s an interesting take on John Boehner and his relationship with his new “friends” in the Tea Party. My values are liberal, but the Democratic Party is a joke. If the the Tea Party can actually find a sensible way to bring some sense to the finances of our world, then more power to them. Chris Littleton, the Tea Party head in Ohio is featured extensively in the link below. Taibbi later called him “deadly focused” on the budget issues. Which is excellent. The problem though, is I think the Tea Party isn’t full of Chris Littletons. There are many people of…..dubious wisdom and character in the party. Just look around at the message board in this place. Hopefully I’m mistaken.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-the-crying-shame-of-john-boehner-20110105

Does the term irrelevant mean anything to Michael?

VoiceofReason said:
The only problem with this is the TEA party fly in that ointment.

They will derail the gravy train.

In fact…..its already begun.

Right!

Tea party, that is under the thumbs of the KOCH’S (The real puppet masters)

skyfet said:
Right! Tea party, that is under the thumbs of the KOCH’S (The real puppet masters)

Or the Dem party under the thumbs of Big Union Bosses.

I cheer whenever I see Michael Moore on television bringing the TRUTH.

Marty73 said:
I cheer whenever I see Michael Moore on television bringing the TRUTH.

I also cheer everytime he is on TV. For much different reasons. :)

I love Matt and Trey’s responce to Moore’s lying to them. They blew him up and he was full of ham. Oh wait… that’s not much different than the real Moore…

tatboy said:
Or the Dem party under the thumbs of Big Union Bosses.

It is the tea folks, who are falsely claiming to be grassroots.

skyfet said:
It is the tea folks, who are falsely claiming to be grassroots.

I believe that I have heard this movement referred to SEVERAL times in the liberal blogosphere and MSM and MSNBC as “grassroots”. Care to try again? And YOUR point was to say that the Tea Party (a fractured group at best with MANY seperate organizers) was “astroturf” due to Koch involvement in some way. While you seem to believe the union rallies ARE grassroots organized by unions (a highly organized group with massive funding by interested parties). Are you claiming the Koch brothers are the only funders of the Tea Party? Does a large rich donor make an organization “astroturf”??? I await your reply. Thank You…

It’s okay. Moore is a multi-millionaire. When they come to arrest him, he can afford the bail.

im_lovin_it said:
I’m not so sure. Look at Scott Walker. He’s clearly in the pocket of billionaires. He’s acting on their interests, not the citizens.

Explain what public union reforms have to do with billionaires. Explain the facts that lead you to claim that Walker is clearly in the pocket of billionaires. Explain how balancing the Wisconsin (taxpayers) budget is about billionaires and not citizens.

Can you?

“Moore lauded the coverage and information provided by host Rachel Maddow (and oddly confirmed by Fox News’ Shep Smith) and reasserted his claim that “we are not broke…Wisconsin isn’t broke… America isn’t broke”

I sat through that entire segment just so I could see for myself if Moore had completely lost it(he has, BTW). I love his assertion that America’s debt is like someone having a car note. No, Mike. It’s nowhere near the same thing. America owes $14 trillion(and counting). That’s the size of our entire economy. That’s a lot more than the 10-15 grand the average person has to pay on a car note. Not to mention that if you default on your car payment, the worst thing that happens is the repo man shows up and reclaims it. If we default on 14 trillion bucks, the repercussions will be a lot worse than that.

skyfet said:
Right!

Tea party, that is under the thumbs of the KOCH’S (The real puppet masters)

Tell me about how the Kochs run everything, skyfet. Facts and figures, please.

tatboy said:
I believe that I have heard this movement referred to SEVERAL times in the liberal blogosphere and MSM and MSNBC as “grassroots”. Care to try again? And YOUR point was to say that the Tea Party (a fractured group at best with MANY seperate organizers) was “astroturf” due to Koch involvement in some way. While you seem to believe the union rallies ARE grassroots organized by unions (a highly organized group with massive funding by interested parties). Are you claiming the Koch brothers are the only funders of the Tea Party? Does a large rich donor make an organization “astroturf”??? I await your reply. Thank You…

Yes they make it Astroturf, by busing people to events to make it look like these are ordinary folks coming from different angle.

skyfet said:
Yes they make it Astroturf, by busing people to events to make it look like these are ordinary folks coming from different angle.

How many people bused where? How many buses? How much money? More than the unions spend busing people to protests? Numbers, please.

Moore on Maddow’s show? Shouldn’t this be Tommy’s column? I thought he was the dedicated Rachel *Awesome* Maddow blogger.

skyfet said:
Yes they make it Astroturf, by busing people to events to make it look like these are ordinary folks coming from different angle.

Thank you for an honest and non-hypocritical responce. It is appriciated.

Pablo said:
Explain what public union reforms have to do with billionaires. Explain the facts that lead you to claim that Walker is clearly in the pocket of billionaires. Explain how balancing the Wisconsin (taxpayers) budget is about billionaires and not citizens.

Can you?

He was not elected to bust unions. He said in the beginning that this wasn’t about union-busting. The actions taken yesterday suggested it was very much about union-busting. He also took a 20 minute phone call from a person he apparently barely knows? Why? Because the Koch Brothers dumped money into his campaign and they get him on the phone whenever they want. Koch Industries has a vested interest in Wisconsin. Shep Smith himself said it on Fox News. I could provide further links that the Koch Brothers are out to bust public unions but I’m sure you can find that yourself.

I especially like how you just cut out the one snippet in several posts that suggests Scott Walker is not the hero you seem to think he is. Get over it. He’s just like the rest of them and you know it. You’re partisanship continues to blind you.

@Pablo

Your partisanship….whatever. Bottom line is there’s a lot more to the politics in this country than Red Team vs. Blue Team. Hopefully one day you see that.

how about the part where he tells high school kids to walk out of class on friday at 2:00, really moore, trying to use kids now

skyfet said:
Right! Tea party, that is under the thumbs of the KOCH’S (The real puppet masters)

Now this sounds familiar, hold on, wait a minute…….IT’S GLENN BECK! LOL

im_lovin_it said:
He also took a 20 minute phone call from a person he apparently barely knows? Why? Because the Koch Brothers dumped money into his campaign and they get him on the phone whenever they want.

And yet he doesn’t know who they are, as shown by the fact that he got pranked by someone pretending to be one of them. Logic. Try some. How much money did they pay for this Governor who’s never spoken to either of them? Try opensecrets.org. I’m sure you’ll find the answer there.

Koch Industries has a vested interest in Wisconsin. Shep Smith himself said it on Fox News.

And? They have vested interests in lots of places. Did Shep Smith detail their donations to Walker? Because that would be helpful in making your case.

I could provide further links that the Koch Brothers are out to bust public unions but I’m sure you can find that yourself.

No, no. You do that. It’s your assertion. Find those links and you might be able to tune it into an argument, once you’ve got some facts at hand.

Does anyone have the details that support their Koch hate? Anyone?

Pablo said:
How many people bused where? How many buses? How much money? More than the unions spend busing people to protests? Numbers, please.

Don’t be lazy! get the numbers yourself. Union money is a contribution from the people, the khoch’s have an agenda.

Penguin60 said:
Now this sounds familiar, hold on, wait a minute…….IT’S GLENN BECK! LOL

Glenn is a full, he was looking for puppet masters, when they were clearly running the tps. He turned a blind eye, and cry like a baby.

im_lovin_it said:
Your partisanship….whatever. Bottom line is there’s a lot more to the politics in this country than Red Team vs. Blue Team. Hopefully one day you see that.

The Koch brothers are an excellent example of that. I’m going to show you how this is done, the facts and figures thing.

Here’s where they donated $20 million to the ACLU.

Your turn.

skyfet said:
Don’t be lazy! get the numbers yourself.

So you don’t have them? You don’t know them? Want a cracker, Polly?

Union money is a contribution from the people, the khoch’s have an agenda.

Unions have an agends. The Kochs are people. Yurp, yurp.

Pablo said:
So you don’t have them? You don’t know them? Want a cracker, Polly?
Don’t be racist!
Unions have an agends. The Kochs are people. Yurp, yurp.

See your phoniness, attacking the working class, yet protecting the billionaires.

Shame on you.

skyfet said:
Union money is a contribution from the people, the khoch’s have an agenda.

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Yup, just like income taxes are donations to the Feds.

I just love those mandated by law enforced by deduction before the worker even sees his paycheck “donations”.

Is this what Moore as degenerated to??? Shaking his sex toys at the camera???

skyfet said:
See your phoniness, attacking the working class, yet protecting the billionaires.

Shame on you.

So, you’ve got nothing?

SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

KOCH!

im_lovin_it said:
Because the Koch Brothers dumped money into his campaign and they get him on the phone whenever they want.

Wow, a whole $43,000. Probably lasted a week.

Now:

Tom Barrett 12/14/2009 International Union of Painters and Allied Trades Political Action Together Political Committee 7234 Parkway Drive, Hanover, MD 21076 $43,128

So the union can get him on the phone anytime they want? LOL

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/03/blue_corruption_puts_wisconsin.html

“During the 2010 election cycle, the Wisconsin Education Association Council’s PAC forked out almost 1.6 million for television ads for statewide Democrat candidates.”

skyfet said:
Union money is a contribution from the people, the khoch’s have an agenda.

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Well, you finally hit pay dirt!

Under the Union bill just passed in WI the law will no longer sanction the public employer automatically seizing those donations and passing them on, no fee for the transaction natch, to the Union.

The Union will actually have to get the money direct from the employee.

At least the poor sap will have the fleeting illusion that it is his money for few minutes.

catfishjuggling said:
Neither. Alex Jones is a fear merchant. Glenn Beck is a fear merchant. Michael Moore is a fear merchant. Earlier poster mentioned Matt Taibbi’s work. I think he nailed it. “Griftopia” was the best overview of this nightmare I have read. So has Michael Lewis. I am actually a Menckenian. “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” I realize the notion of someone who thinks both both parties are terrible is hard to handle here (although I seem to remember that it is what teh Tea Party was SUPPOSED to be about). My politics are like most practical people’s. Somewhere in between the two teams with allegiance to neither. I swear when I read the comments here I am reminded of the old blind Coke/Pepsi taste test commercials from the ’70s. I swear if there wasn’t a D or and R after these guys most of youy would not know how to react. I am POSITIVE that if you were blindfolded and we brought out the exact same Obama and put an R after his name you’d call him the 2nd Reagan.

Well you’d be wrong with respect to my ideals. Also I do not find my politics impractical. I certainly don’t think you score yourself any credibility points for the way you go about chiding folks.

And I don’t think really anything about the “parties”. they are nebulous entities that folks can ascribe all manner of menace to without looking at the real culprits…….the people. I don’t read Tiabbi because the last chance I had to catch his act was a sneering hatchet job he did while sucking up to Bill Maher. Sell out to toadies so you can hang with the cool kids and you lose what little respect I have for folks who claim to be journalists to begin with.

I have more respect for whores. At least they are honest about their business.

Grammie said:
.At least the poor sap will have the fleeting illusion that it is his money for few minutes.

Why do you have a right to your money?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD809fp6i_0

im_lovin_it said:
Here’s some more Matt Taibbi. It’s an interesting take on John Boehner and his relationship with his new “friends” in the Tea Party. My values are liberal, but the Democratic Party is a joke. If the the Tea Party can actually find a sensible way to bring some sense to the finances of our world, then more power to them. Chris Littleton, the Tea Party head in Ohio is featured extensively in the link below. Taibbi later called him “deadly focused” on the budget issues. Which is excellent. The problem though, is I think the Tea Party isn’t full of Chris Littletons. There are many people of…..dubious wisdom and character in the party. Just look around at the message board in this place. Hopefully I’m mistaken. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-the-crying-shame-of-john-boehner-20110105

What’s stopping you from going to a local meeting and making sure that they share the same “focus”?

“This version of Moore’s enmity to America’s wealthy came complete with hand cuffs and a demand for justice.”

In Michael Moore’s case, doesn’t this “enmity” constitute self-hatred? I would call him a phony, but I’m not sure he is self-aware enough to deserve that title.

It’s kind of like a ninety year old lambasting old people.

im_lovin_it said:
I’m not so sure. Look at Scott Walker. He’s clearly in the pocket of billionaires. He’s acting on their interests, not the citizens. Furthermore, Tea Party candidates are talking a big game right now about all the cuts they will make. That’s always big talk for a campaign, but if they really intend to take a chainsaw to all the government programs out there they’re going to face quite a bit of public uproar. Entrenched interests will be more than happy to let Tea Party candidates face the heat if they try and cut into the real cash cows of this economy. To me the Tea Party is the flip side of the Obama phenomenon of 2008. There will be lots of bold talk and promises, but when push comes to shove they’ll fall right in line with John Boehner and all the rest. The public support is admirable, but they’re going to get sold the same sad story in the end.

Yeah he was soooo in their pocket that he couldn’t recognize one of the two on the phone. Now you can deny this but if you are honest with yourself you know as well as I do that he doesn’t know the Koch’s from Adam.

A friend of mine who I haven’t spoken to since I left California in 2002 called the other night and when he simply asked if I was there I knew it was him in an instant.

Sorry but this dog don’t hunt. And you know it. Whether you are honest enough to admit or not is the real question.

im_lovin_it said:
I’m not so sure. Look at Scott Walker. He’s clearly in the pocket of billionaires. He’s acting on their interests, not the citizens. Furthermore, Tea Party candidates are talking a big game right now about all the cuts they will make. That’s always big talk for a campaign, but if they really intend to take a chainsaw to all the government programs out there they’re going to face quite a bit of public uproar. Entrenched interests will be more than happy to let Tea Party candidates face the heat if they try and cut into the real cash cows of this economy. To me the Tea Party is the flip side of the Obama phenomenon of 2008. There will be lots of bold talk and promises, but when push comes to shove they’ll fall right in line with John Boehner and all the rest. The public support is admirable, but they’re going to get sold the same sad story in the end.

too bad they don’t seem to be following your plan. I read yesterday that two tea party winners are not voting with the CC Repubs to raise the debt ceiling.

Cue Chicken Little………

Grammie said:
.I agree with every point that you made with absolutely no reservations. BTW, the manner that you made them speaks very well of you. Kudos!

Thank you ma’am. I am ashamed I let a couple of swear words infect my rant. I struggle with swearing mightily and really wish I was better at avoiding its usage. I let my passion for this country and my fellow Americans get the best of me. I should do better.

It makes me look lazy and uninformed.

VoiceofReason said:
It makes me look lazy and uninformed.

I certainly missed it.

skyfet said:
Don’t be lazy! get the numbers yourself. Union money is a contribution from the people, the khoch’s have an agenda.

“Contributions?” So when you have to join a union to get a job, and they take those mandatory fees, and use them to support political candidates.. you consider that “contributions?”

Wow.

ImNotBlue said:
“Contributions?” So when you have to join a union to get a job, and they take those mandatory fees, and use them to support political candidates.. you consider that “contributions?”

Wow.

It’s positively Orwellian.

Penguin60 said:
Wow, a whole $43,000. Probably lasted a week. Now: Tom Barrett 12/14/2009 International Union of Painters and Allied Trades Political Action Together Political Committee 7234 Parkway Drive, Hanover, MD 21076 $43,128 So the union can get him on the phone anytime they want? LOL http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/03/blue_corruption_puts_wisconsin.html “During the 2010 election cycle, the Wisconsin Education Association Council’s PAC forked out almost 1.6 million for television ads for statewide Democrat candidates.”

OUCH……that’s gunna leave a mark.

writer said:
It’s kind of like a ninety year old lambasting old people.

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I got to tell you it happens.

My Mama was in her early nineties. I was at her house and she was at the kitchen sink looking out and said “that old man who lives across the street is looking frail”.

I ran over and asked “How old is he?”. convinced he had to be a 100 or more.

He was 75.

Her contempt for “those old biddies who shouldn’t be voting if they can’t understand the ballot” in 2000 was palpable.

BTW, she voted for the last time in 2004, at 99, and hit the trifecta: President, house and senate.

Penguin60 said:
I certainly missed it.

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Me too.

Even when I don’t agree with VoF I consider his opinion.

Know what you mean, Grammie. Back when you could smoke anywhere, I saw some guy smoking and saying, “Man, this place is sure smoky. I’m gonna have to go outside.”

Thansk to the delusional “Extreme Court” finding that things (corporations) are people, jillionaires and megacorporations can now spend as much as they want to install stooges like Scott Wanker to do their bidding. Lobbyists are no longer needed; the Koch brothers can buy their legislators wholesale – and ARE.

Properly done, public campaign financing would reduce the corrupting influence of Big Money on our dwindling democracy. Typically, candidates need to obtain a certain number of small contributions – thus demonstrating that they are serious about their intentions and can garner public support – in order to qualify for public funds. Such financing has been successful in states like AZ and cities like Portland OR.

We can’t take our country back until we take back our elections – which also means tossing out the infamously crooked electronic ballot boxes.

jrcmi said:
Thansk to the delusional “Extreme Court” finding that things (corporations) are people, jillionaires and megacorporations can now spend as much as they want to install stooges like Scott Wanker to do their bidding. Lobbyists are no longer needed; the Koch brothers can buy their legislators wholesale – and ARE. Properly done, public campaign financing would reduce the corrupting influence of Big Money on our dwindling democracy. Typically, candidates need to obtain a certain number of small contributions – thus demonstrating that they are serious about their intentions and can garner public support – in order to qualify for public funds. Such financing has been successful in states like AZ and cities like Portland OR. We can’t take our country back until we take back our elections – which also means tossing out the infamously crooked electronic ballot boxes.

unions do the same thing, are you against both then?

“This version of Moore’s enmity to America’s wealthy came complete with hand cuffs and a demand for justice.”

I believe justice would involve sticking their arse’s in jail…..

Dave Richards said:
This clown actually believes that people have a “right” to a job. What a maroon.

That’s what the Bolsheveks believed, too, and when the commies took over, sure enough, everyone had a job. Hell, it was a “workers’ paradise.” How well did that idea work out?

jrcmi said:
Koch brothers can buy their legislators wholesale – and ARE.

Just a bit of quid pro quo; the UNIONS have been buying deficraps for years and “installing” them firmly in their pockets. “I owe these unions!”–Barack Hussein 0bama.

BatBoy said:
Does that include Michael Moore’s Rich Fat Ass too?

Well…uh….er…no, but the “enlightened liberals” like fat ass Moore must be allowed to keep their wealth so they may be allowed to help others who are in need.

At some point people begin to wonder about the motive for suck ridiculous statements. Moore might be a greasy-necked, obese tub of chitterlings, but he surely must have some notion of a brain in order to be even a second rate director that he is. So, it must be the only reason Moore says crap he so obviously does NOT believe is to make a show for the commies, socialists, fascists, and so-called “progressive” loons that have infested the world with their presence.

Pay freeze without price freeze is attack on the poor and needy. Look what it did to Egypt and Libya. After attacking wages of main street these same Wisconsin Political figures could gain clout and respect if they are honest enough to attack the earnings and benefits of Political Management and then the earnings of; or should I say the Loot of Wall Street gamblers that are truly bringing down our country, otherwise they will look like a bunch of gangsters themselves doing their greedy deeds. We must remember when Osama bin Laden went to college in American, he immediately went back home and planed an attack on Wall Street not just
American as some think, it was directed at WALL STREET when he did the basement before he went for the top of those towers. Wall Street is like some bad kids in our family and they need butt kicked big time, otherwise picking on the working class amounts to additional gangster-ism.

What people are going to demand that Wall Streeters go to jail? Are these the same rocket scientists who think that teachers unions are destroying America, those people. They’re not smart enough to realize that before 2000 we had something called the Glass-Stegall Act and oil prices rarely fluctuated without good reason. However after 2000 the Grahm-Leach-Bliley act repealed parts of Glass-Stegall and allowed traders on Wall Street to do whatever the fuck they want. So now even a rumor can trigger rampant speculation by those with no intrest in oil futures other than financial ones. Some hedge fund rich fuck just made 5 billion on wall street and only has to pay a whopping 15 percent in tax. If taxed at the old level he could pay the healthcare costs,pension and salaries of all 300,000 Wisconson teachers for year. But we can’t do that that would be socialism because he’d only have 4 billion+ left. Poor bastard.