Romney leading in the polls, but…

Jimmy ?? Williams talked to a guy who said something, so by golly, what more do you need?

Funny, since he’s leading int he polls there.

Sounds like the wishful thinking of religious bigots to me. 

January 6, 2012 4:17 PM

Romney surges in South Carolina poll, has nearly double the support of runner up Santorum

Support for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has surged in the
past month in South Carolina, leaving him almost double the support of
his closest opponent ahead of the primary there on January 21.
Romney garnered about 37 percent of support of likely South Carolina voters in a poll conducted this week by CNN/Time/ORC, compared to about 19 percent for the runner-up, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum.

Of course it’s a problem for the TeaVangelicals; do you think that they want to vote for someone who, according to their fundamentalist belief, is a member of a cult?

As every single poll shows Romney with a commanding lead in South Carolina, this is obviously an attempt by MessNBC and MediaiteMatters to smear Republicans as bigots.

Actually, a poll showed that Dem’s are more likely to NOT vote for a Mormon than Repubs.  Nice try though!!  Your statement makes no sense, since he’s leading in the polls. 

Is it news that hard right Evangelicals hate mormons. The Evangelical buddies who helped Perry organize that prayer meeting months ago before he entered the race have all types of conspiracy theories. They claim that Hitler recruited 200,000 gays to kill Jews. They also claim that the catholic faith is an abomination. These people, better know as the modern day Apostles, are freakin outright nutts. They want Perry in the white house, so they can impose their brand of religion on America. These religions have no place in politics. In fact, section 501(c)(3) of the IRS code forbids churches to get involved in any poltical campaigns, period. 

 Sure, Mitt is leading and he will probably win, but he needs to gather some of those people who will not vote for him because they have a problem with his religion. He will need those votes if he is to win the national election.  Mormons teach that America has a melt down on her horizon as a preamble for the return of Christ. Most Mormons will not say that they think the current times are in the last days, but they go so far as to suggest stock piling food. I would love to hear Mitt say, for example, that he considers all the old Mormon prophesy, including some that suggests the destruction of NYC, Albany and, I think, Philadelphia, to be allegory, and hyperbole, and that he does not believe any of it will literally happen. Because people would feel better knowing that their President is not pulling for America’s demise to usher in the return of Jesus.

(Oops, I hit liked by mistake, big mistake)

Look, Skippy, it’s yours that is the “nice try”. Your base hates Romney…ask Limbaugh.
Which poll? Fox or Rasmussen? Make me laugh.

Who would have ever thought believing in magic underwear would be a problem?

This guy is so full of shit it’s running out his nose, I am a reporter and have been to SC, out of the 100 or so people I spoke too never even mentioned this Morman Faith in their decsion to either support Romney or not, not to mention Romney is leading in SC

MSNBC and ANYONE who appears on it are 100% jokes and anyone who watches MSNBC are the same.

Didn’t need to read the story or watch the video to say to myself . . . “And this is news WHY?”
Of course, Southern evangelicals don’t accept him-IN PART becasue of his Mormon faith (which is ridiculous), hell it’s taken them scores of decades to get on board with Jews and Catholics. These are not merely opinions–these are facts.

MSLSD: We Have The Good Kind Of Bigots!

Lets base our vote for the most powerful leader in the free world on what religion he is. That’s brilliant thinking. dipshits.

The problems the conservative base has with Romney aren’t based on his religion, they’re based on his being Obama lite.

your partisan hack slip is showing.

MSNBC is the intellectual equivalent of Rolling Stone article.  They are more concerned with appealing to their audience than reporting.  Facts are meaningless unless they can be twisted to match the narrative.  It drives me nuts when I hear some Fox News shows doing it as well.  I’m all for an every-man interpretation of the facts, but the facts should be presented not just the narrative.

Liberal reporters have this stereotype of conservatives and southerners that couldn’t be more out of touch.  The whole “religious right” thing is strawman argument to support the narrative that conservatives are “extreme” and intolerant. 

I loved the shock on CNN reporters when it came out that the “evangelical” vote in Iowa went largely to Ron Paul.  Can you say OUT OF TOUCH?

That’s because most liberals despise religion, unless its anti-isreal and anti-american, in which case they are all for freedom of religion.

These same MSNBC reporters will call conservatives “bigots” and “intolerant” for the fictional narrative that conservatives hate Mitt Romney because of his Mormon faith….and then go see “Book of Mormon” on Broadway the same night and laugh their asses off.  Unreal.

Who cares what this queen says.  Any media personality who is also a lobbyist in DC has no credibility. Jimbo, a hack POS. 

Government trolls are running rampant here. Big brother has taken over the media and has 90% or more of the comments on all media sites creating the perception of public opinion.
 
Learn what Obama, Osama, Biden, Bin Laden, the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorists, and Sarah Palin had to do with the last election and the Pentagon’s take over of our government. The link in my name exposes the truth.

Progressivism is a religion. They hate all others.

I’m pretty sure even Mormons don’t have a problem with The Book Of Mormon so why should a non-Mormon?

wurst point evah

In this thread the teabaggers will deny common sense and the bloody obvious because someone said it on MSNBC.

If the same thing was said on Fox it would be mint analysis.

Gallup.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148100/Hesitant-Support-Mormon-2012.aspx

You laughing yet?

The only group that has a problem with Mitt Romney’s Mormonism is the left wing media.

They all probably went to NYC to see the play “the Book of Mormon” several times.
In fact:

on March 18, 2011, co-host Robin Roberts introduced reporter Jake Tapper
as a “big fan” of Book of Mormon creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone.
Tapper described the Broadway play as an “edgy work, typical for [the
creators].

On May 12, 2011, NBC’s Matt Lauer touted the Book of Mormon as one of the “hottest shows on Broadway.”

Mormons are followers of Christ. We take upon us the name of Christ at baptism and renew that relationship weekly as we take the sacrament.

I have this dream that liberals will start doing their own research, but I’m not naive enough to think it will ever happen.  They are too afraid of what they might find. 

I’m pretty sure you have no clue what the average Mormon thinks about anything. 

This isn’t news.  Huck made sure it was a problem in 08, and I’m sure it’ll be a problem now, just a matter of whose secret superPAC will put out the word.  But will it be a big enough problem that he can’t win SC?  Not this time.  To a lesser degree, but still a degree, aren’t Gingrich and Santorum Catholic?

It’s very true – 27% Dem; 19% Ind; 18% Repubs say they won’t vote for a Mormon http://www.gallup.com/poll/148100/hesitant-support-mormon-2012.aspx

What you didn’t parse well is why. 

And the why is a lot uglier for the 18% of Republicans (not a real Christian) than for Democrats. 

For Republicans it is a difference in theology.

For Democrats it is the LDS stance (past/present) on social issues that is the big problem.  Not the religiosity/theology. 

So, as I see it, almost 1 out of 5 Republicans have a lot more to justify than about 1 out of 4 Democrats. 

I can say reasons why include: ”collusion with Catholic Church re Prop 8 is one reason I don’t trust either institution; add that the LDS stance on Blacks is less than kind for *most* of its history, etc.”

Republicans?  Because he’s not Christian. 
 

Look, Jed.  Not saying you/Mormons are *ssholes. 

But I will say that I can not support a faith that has the (new) history your church has. 

Treating women with respect? 

If I look around, I can find a number of former female LDS members that would not agree.  Linked a blurb by an ex-Mo regarding this topic and it has a mini bibliography at the end, including Deborah Laake (http://www.exmormon.org/mormwomn.htm).  ,

And I’m not the only one who would argue about women in the church (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsfaithblog/51689051-180/women-lds-church-otterson.html.csp)

Cursed Lamanites?  Your teachings gave dark-skinned people this via Council of Gods.  And it was taught in your institution for ~150 or so years.

And your denial of the FLDS (Warren Jeffs, anyone?) when, in fact, it practices original LDS teachings. 

Essentially, your social conservative views/opinions are the antithesis of what I and many others believe in.  And why I cannot, in good faith, support such a candidate.

I don’t think Mitt Romney or Jon Huntsman would have a problem in South Carolina if the folks there realized their theology is based on New Testament
Christianity. 
For example, the Church of Jesus
Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace
vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ comport more closely with Early
Christianity than any other denomination. 
And Mormons’ teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian
Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. 
Read about it here:

http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com

 Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is a Christian
denomination, but does not subscribe to Fourth Century Creeds. Mormons have a
better understanding of Christianity than any other denomination, according to
a 2010 Pew Forum poll: 

http://www.pewforum.org/Other-Beliefs-and-Practices/U-S-Religious-Knowledge-Survey.aspx

11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence
(including several presidents) were non-Trinitarian Christians.  Those who now insist on their narrow Trinitarian
and salvation only by grace definition of Christianity for candidates for
public office are doing our Republic an injustice.

So you are saying you cannot vote for a Mormon because we are conservatives?  If you are a liberal, I could see why you might not vote for any conservative candidate, regardless of religion.

Utah, then 90%+ Mormon, was the first state to give women the right to vote.  Joseph Smith was killed in part because he was running for President on an anti-slavery platform.  (And partly for his testimony of Christ.)

Warren Jeffs is not a Mormon.  He has his own ways, and anyone who does what Jeffs does would be kicked out of the faith for good reason.  Mormons have not practiced polygamy since 1890.  That’s 121 to 122 years.

There is no institution in our teachings called a Council of Gods.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.  And as a female.

Please remind us what the LDS gave up for Utah to be granted statehood.

Jeffs et al. practice what they believe is FLDS as originally taught by the prophet Joseph Smith.  AMERICA would not have the Jeffs and their ilk had there been no teachings by the prophet about polygamy/polyandry.

Mormons had a manifesto/revelation in 1890 re polygamy.  I sincerely challenge you to show me that NONE was practiced post-manifesto.  Especially none by Church leaders.  (Looking at you JSJr and Woodruff!)

So, if not in the pre-mortal council presided by God — exactly where did the perception regarding Lamanites originate?  It was my understanding that the decision was made prior to Jesus being mortalized.

Look, to each its own regarding faith. 

But as a personal choice, the LDS teachings (past/current) are not for me or America. 

Really?  Why don’t you do some research into Romney’s attempted run in the 2008 election cycle.

For example:

Pew 2007:http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/How-the-Public-Perceives-Romney-Mormons.aspx
Excerpt:  “…Furthermore, the group of Americans most likely to say they value religiosity in a president – white evangelical Protestants – is also the group most apt to be bothered by his religion. More than one-in-three evangelical Republicans (36%) expressed reservations about voting for a Mormon, a level of opposition much higher than that seen among the electorate overall…”

Romney-supporting site:  http://www.romneyexperience.com/category/evangelicals/
The site referenced a TNR article re SC and Mormons (link was defunct, found new link): http://www.tnr.com/article/low-country

Huckabee-related:  http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/us/politics/28repubs.html

So, just as a reminder where the problem stems from.  You apparently need it by the looks of your comment.

Just once I would love to hear a politician say my religion is none of your business; that would be a banner day for the republic. 

Probably true, but a candidate with true conservative principles not dedicated to play to the base of the party has not emerged. It would have been nice to have a choice between candidates having an intelligent debate on the direction of the country, but I just don’t see that happening with the candidates the party has put forth.  So we are left with Obama and Romney in the general.

Yawn.

I quote “They assert that Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith in 1820 with the express purpose of restoring His Church and gospel”.  So Mitt has a belief system that includes the above where there is no empiracle evidence.  The Bible says that when Jesus comes again there will be no doubt about proving his presence.  So….If you run for President and say that you met Jesus after being sent to a planet in the far reaches of the Universe, then it would be equally as believable.  There is no difference….both stories are without merit.
P.S.  The fat guy with the “MOB” attitude is entertaining/but staining Mitt’s image.
“Forgetaboutit”

They show is mocking a religion is pure bigotry.

Romney’s religion should be a problem  -  everywhere.   Spend an observant, quiet week or so in SLC.  “Mix” about.  Quite incredible.

How is it no one harps on Huntsman being Mormon too….or Newt being a staunch Catholic? If conservative Christians would take a moment to think about this…how likely is an ultra conservative going to win the presidential election when it’s such a swing from Obama. Better to get the best Republican in that will beat Obama and then move more conservative leaders for the next election in 8 years. Put religion aside. We need a turn around for the train wreck we are in!!

Wow!  I can’t even recognize some of the statement about Mormons and I have been one for over 65 years and studied and taught the religion.  Also, my ancestors have been Mormons for generations.  My father always put my mother on a pedestal and treated her with great love and respect.  It is sad that there are so many myths and misunderstandings about Mormonism.  Never have I heard one Mormon teach or want a meltdown of America!  It is untrue that any Mormons want the demise of the USA.  We believe and teach that this is a “choice land” and pray for her success as well as for those sick, afflicted, those in the military, etc.  Mormons have been advised since the great depression to have a supply of food on hand in case of unemployment, hard times, sickness, etc.  In none of our teaching materials etc is there prophecies of destruction of cities.   Mormons do not want to hasten the second coming but try to concentrate on living the precepts Christ taught and believe we will be judged accordingly.   I am a Mormon woman and a nurse and am and have been treated with much more respect by Mormon men professionally and at church than from other men both in Utah, Arizona, Nevada, and California. Warren Jeff’s religion is far from Mormonism and is much different from original Mormonism when women always had volition on whom they would marry etc.  We do not believe that Lamanites are cursed.  In fact, we believe they have a noble heritage and the Church does much to supply aid.  Some say we are not Christian?  Isn’t a Christian one who follows Christ, is his disciple, and tries his very best to love his neighbor and be of service?  Didn’t Christ say “By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another” (John 13:35)  Isn’t love then the hallmark or distinguishing characteristic of Christians?  Christ said judge not and condemn not.  Who is most Christian–Mormons who try to be first on the scene after disasters to aid anyone in need, or those judging and condemning saying we are not Christians?   We fast the first Sunday of every month and give the money saved to be used for those less fortunate.  Can a good spirit and feeling come from condemning Mormons and is that loving in any way?  What would a true Christian do?  Every minute until my last breath, although often falling short, I will try to live the teachings of Christ that are recorded in the New Testament.  Before judging please attend an LDS service, talk to and observe members, go to mormon.org, and learn about what we really believe? 

The Mormos are a cross between Scientologists and the Manson Family.Nothing good will come of this.

go live among them fro 6 months and get back to me.Even the most open minded liberals hate these people.

John Kerry for one did.Look what happened.

Mormons are conservative republicans and a dangerous cult.It doesn’t take genius to figure out why Ds won’t vote for them.Lock step nazis of course will blindly follow.

That was before the nightmare that is Barack Obama was fully upon us. Religiosity is going out the window this year. Defeating Obama is job #1.

Well, nice to see all that religiosity bias put aside to defeat Obama.

Nice that you don’t dispute that the bias is real or that past Republicans in South Carolina have stated on more than one occasion that they don’t believe in that type of Christianity.

Can’t wait to see your side get its party on and try to sell Romney to America when you can’t even sell him to yourselves.

Well, I’d sympathize with your nightmarish feelings but I have so many more years on you since I had to suffer through a Bush/Cheney era that had so many bad policies my country is in the sh*tter.

And your solution is what?

Ban abortion? Limit contraception? Hold the debt ceiling hostage? Citizen’s United?

LMAO!!!
I have been looking for words to describe the Mormons and you hit the nail on the head!!

Thank you