The tea-baggers are about to foam at the mouth over this.

Hannity had Jones on his radio show , and condemned him as well . Stating the obvious really.

Bill has not a shred of proof. Terrorists don’t need any excuse to lop someone’s head off. They do it because “allah” tells them to.

And now this is the part where a prog will bring up the Tiller thing.

But I bet they will not bring up the anti-abortionist who was killed out side of a school by a crazy pro-abortionist.
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/09/antiabortion_activist_shot_in.html

Garth said:
The tea-baggers are about to foam at the mouth over this.

Your ignorance about what the Tea Party movement is all about is astonishing….Do you actually think they are suck ups to BO’R like you liberals are to the ALL the dimwits over on MSNBC?

Garth said:
The tea-baggers are about to foam at the mouth over this.

what’s the difference between a tea-bagger and a cock sucker? Mediate maybe you can answer

Ted Baxter’s opinions are ignored by those at the cutting edge of societal evolution

Garth said:
The tea-baggers are about to foam at the mouth over this.

Just like you do when you have someone’s nuts in your mouth .

LOL.
Another TRUTH BOMB.

Looking forward to the RINO calls.

Garth said:
The tea-baggers are about to foam at the mouth over this.

Offering $100 for each comment by Garth/SarahP/Ted etc, that has ANYTHING positive to say about ANYTHING.

Bill Huggins said:
LOL.
Another TRUTH BOMB.

Looking forward to the RINO calls.

Ever tire of being DEAD wrong no matter what name you use?

Bill Huggins said:
LOL.
Another TRUTH BOMB.

Looking forward to the RINO calls.

So predictable yet so clueless. You DO realize O’Reilly is not a republican , right ?

He not only took on Karzai, but he took on Howie Dean as well. Go BillO. I’ll excuse the Pastor and won’t jump on that band wagon, but I will agree with Oreilly on Karzai and on Howie. Two jokers.

Mediaite, will I be censored every time I mention Bill-o and Dr. Tiller in the same post?

Joseph Glackin said:
Mediaite, will I be censored every time I mention Bill-o and Dr. Tiller in the same post?

There are plenty of other blogs for you to troll on. ;)

Joseph Glackin said:
Mediaite, will I be censored every time I mention Bill-o and Dr. Tiller in the same post?

PROVE that O’Reilly influenced Tiller’s killer , writings , quotes etc . Bet you can’t.

Joseph Glackin said:
Mediaite, will I be censored every time I mention Bill-o and Dr. Tiller in the same post?

Feel free to mention Scott Roeder and Dr. Tiller in the same post…since he is the man that actually killed him, not Bill O’Reilly.

Have any of you Terry Jones haters ever read the Koran? Maybe some books should be burned.

If there is a book out there that condones slavery, that condones polygamy, that condones primogeniture, that demands the death penalty for women who engage in pre-marital sex, that requires you to murder anyone who tries to get you to convert to another religion, that instructs its followers to slaughter entire cities–men, women, children, and even cattle, and if this book is considered sacred and divine and adhered to by hundreds of millions of people all over the world, isn’t it your duty as a human to stand up and condemn it?

If so, then Terry Jones isn’t evil, he’s just terribly confused. He burned the wrong book. All of the above is from the book of Deuteronomy, part of the Old Testament, considered sacred by Jews and, inexplicably, still lugged back and forth to church every Sunday by Christians, including, presumably, by the good Pastor Jones of Gainesville.

For cites, see http://craignelsen.com/fundamentalator/index.php

Colorado_Conservative said:
Your ignorance about what the Tea Party movement is all about is astonishing….Do you actually think they are suck ups to BO’R like you liberals are to the ALL the dimwits over on MSNBC?

When it suits ya……yeah.

Nice to see the occasional flash of compassion over at Fox.

Jaurez said:
There are plenty of other blogs for you to troll on. ;)

yea, this one belongs to Team Teabag, and their momma don’t allow no free speech round here.

To expose the hypocrisy of the Left, simply reverse the roles in any given storyline.

Consider the ubiquitous condemnation by the LeftStream Media if Christians had slaughtered 38 innocent people after participants, dressed as Catholic nuns, thrust crucifixes in their vaginas at San Fransisco’s Pride Parade!

Is the Left’s rationalization of what those trogolodytes did in Afghanistan, a green light for that type of response from other offended groups?

Sprocket says:

nobody cares, joe.

Btw, didn’t you just practice free speech? Are you blind and deaf too or just dumb?

murf said:
PROVE that O’Reilly influenced Tiller’s killer , writings , quotes etc . Bet you can’t.

Do the phrase, “Tiller the baby killer” ring any bells to you fools?
If you goad a madman into action, you are responsible for what happens.
Roeder killed him. Bilge-o spewed hatred over the air for a long time about him.
He ID’ed him, he publicized him. He denounced him.
And then he was, “SHOCKED, SHOCKED” to hear that someone shot the doctor.
Are you trying to say no one listened to him? No one took him at his word? He has no influence?

NORBIT Jr. said:
To expose the hypocrisy of the Left, simply reverse the roles in any given storyline.

Consider the ubiquitous condemnation by the LeftStream Media if Christians had slaughtered 38 innocent people after participants, dressed as Catholic nuns, thrust crucifixes in their vaginas at San Fransisco’s Pride Parade!

Is the Left’s rationalization of what those trogolodytes did in Afghanistan, a green light for that type of response from other offended groups?

The Left will defend Islam good or bad , simply because they view it as the underdog . No other reason really .

As soon as you condemn the pastor for burning the Koran, It is a “freedom of speech” issue.

“While refusing to take blame away from the killers…” ? Why would he do that?

“Everyone involved with this story is disgusting.” Including Bill. This is an open and shut case, free speech will not be tampered with. Especially for the sake of our savage enemy.

This “insane christian idiot” was right to burn the Koran in protest to the ground zero mosque. There was nothing more appaling then wanting to build a mosque at that location. Thats where the rage should be. And Jones’s actions were not a childish tit for tat, but an attempt to block what would have been a national disgrace.

ALL, including Bill, can go to hell if they’re not explaining it this way. It’s a shame and a disgrace that Americans can be so ignorant and seemingly so damn complacent. If you find yourself mad at Jones, then you are one of them and part of the problem. Amazingly, if your sitting next to me when our train blows up, then you will get blown up too.

Joseph Glackin said:
Do the phrase, “Tiller the baby killer” ring any bells to you fools?
If you goad a madman into action, you are responsible for what happens.
Roeder killed him. Bilge-o spewed hatred over the air for a long time about him.
He ID’ed him, he publicized him. He denounced him.
And then he was, “SHOCKED, SHOCKED” to hear that someone shot the doctor.
Are you trying to say no one listened to him? No one took him at his word? He has no influence?

That’s what I thought , you have nothing . Funny aren’t you leftists always screaming FOX has no influence , less than 1% of the population view it blah , blah when Mediaite posts their ratings ? Hilarious .

StandUp said:
Offering $100 for each comment by Garth/SarahP/Ted etc, that has ANYTHING positive to say about ANYTHING.

LMAO !!!!!

Garth said:
The tea-baggers are about to foam at the mouth over this.

No, not really. Bill is not pure right wing and is wrong from time to time. Only in the immature grasping at straws cause they have nothing to say liberals will think or care that we’d foam at the mouth at an O’Rielly position. Simply point out why we think he’s wrong, like I just did, and move on.

illusive man said,

“And now this is the part where a prog will bring up the Tiller thing.

But I bet they will not bring up the anti-abortionist who was killed out side of a school by a crazy pro-abortionist.
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/09/antiabortion_activist_shot_in.html”

i read the story. unlike you, i don’t leap to conclusions based on ideology.

there is nothing in the story to indicate that the victim was killed by a pro-choice activist. NOTHING. the victim could have been killed by a robber, a gangster, a boy/girlfriend or spouse.

also, i noticed that the story is from 2009. does this mean that there were never any other stories involving the shootings, or that you just searched and linked to the first one you found?

i myself would be interested in followup stories. and, if your point was proved, i’d apologize to you.

so let’s see some proof. if any. with links that followup this story and identify the killer.

GASP. Something Bill O’Reilly and I agree with! Lordy.

illusive man said:
And now this is the part where a prog will bring up the Tiller thing.

But I bet they will not bring up the anti-abortionist who was killed out side of a school by a crazy pro-abortionist.
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/09/antiabortion_activist_shot_in.html

yeah that’s terrible and they probably found out who she was cuz that’s what those pro-abortion people do. they get the names and print out flyers who they are and were these they go,
it takes people like you and bill oreilly to keep us informed. god bless

Girth said:
LMAO !!!!!

Fail. No cigar.

followup to my last post, and to illusive man. . .

i saw the article concerning the naming of suspect Harlan Drake; i had not focused on the sidebar stories when i wrote my comment. for that, i apologize. however, i haven’t seen anything yet to indicate that he was ‘pro-choice’.

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/09/owosso_shooting_suspect_identi.html

the article revealing his arrest shows that he had a grudge with three men, of which he killed two. i see nothing saying that the grudge had anything to do with abortion. so i am still interested in seeing proof that Drake was a ‘pro-choice’ activist, whose beliefs motivated him to kill.

Colorado_Conservative said:
Your ignorance about what the Tea Party movement is all about is astonishing….Do you actually think they are suck ups to BO’R like you liberals are to the ALL the dimwits over on MSNBC?

Exactly, put extremely well. It’s actually us who might be the dimwits for responding to him. He is clearly one of the most useless posters here. Just one sentence ignorant irrelevant jabs.

I actually agree with Bill on this one, although I think it’s wrong to target muslims in America or create any special attention for them here, the fanatics in the Middle East are living in middle ages still. How can those people rationalize killing innocent UN workers when those workers clearly had nothing to do with the Koran burning.

Clearly something has gone very wrong in their society on that part of the earth… I say we pull out of that ****hole and let Karzai fend for himself. Why even help people like that? Lets get out.

Why are we wasting American money and lives on people that want to burn us anytime they can rationalize it in their cavemen brains? I’m sorry but I’d rather spend a day with the most fanatical Tea-Bagger than someone out their protesting the right to behead people when their feelings get hurt. There is no comparison.

murf said:
That’s what I thought , you have nothing . Funny aren’t you leftists always screaming FOX has no influence , less than 1% of the population view it blah , blah when Mediaite posts their ratings ? Hilarious .

Smurf–You want to search the rantings of the BORing one, Google awaits you. It’s not my job to sift the swill from the swine to find you a pearl.
FYI, 1% of the population would be over 3 million people, more than the population of 20 states.

Snowspot said:
think it’s wrong to target muslims in America or create any special attention for them here,

So I take it your equally outraged at the left-leaning Southern Poverty Law Center monitoring alleged hate groups in the US ?

murf said:
So I take it your equally outraged at the left-leaning Southern Poverty Law Center monitoring alleged hate groups in the US ?

Nope, I promote it :)

Islam has blood on it’s hands…AS USUAL.

Joseph Glackin said:
Smurf–You want to search the rantings of the BORing one, Google awaits you. It’s not my job to sift the swill from the swine to find you a pearl.
FYI, 1% of the population would be over 3 million people, more than the population of 20 states.

Surely you aware of psychopaths like Roeder almost always leave behind writings , quotes , some kind of evidence of their influences? Again I ask you to provide proof that Scott Roeder was influenced or even knew of Bill O’Reilly .

Garth said:
The tea-baggers are about to foam at the mouth over this.

Once again another sub conscious slip by the sub human Garth…still got the taste of tea bagger’s balls in your mouth Garth?

lol

Latin2 said:
Islam has blood on it’s hands…AS USUAL.

so what happen to the personal responsibility of those involved?

StandUp said:
Offering $100 for each comment by Garth/SarahP/Ted etc, that has ANYTHING positive to say about ANYTHING.

Garth is positively stupid. Where do I collect? :)

Nationman said:
so what happen to the personal responsibility of those involved?

You mean like the Tea Party?

murf said:
So predictable yet so clueless. You DO realize O’Reilly is not a republican , right ?

LOL

What independents was he behind for any election held within the past 10 years?

Who does he work for?

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but says he’s a dog…?

And I hate that you guys think I’m someone else’s name.
I AM THE ORIGINaL BiLL HUGGInS!!!

Your paranoia is hilarious

Latin2 said:
You mean like the Tea Party?

I will remember that when you start writing that the Tea Party members are racist…lol

Nationman said:
so what happen to the personal responsibility of those involved?

I will remember that when you Liberals write that the Tea Party members are racists…lol

Latin2 said:
You mean like the Tea Party?

yes like the tea party, that crazy guy who shot giffords for instance. it’s His own responsibility for the shooting, how can you not hold other people such as those who have done these horrid things to the same standard?

Bill Huggins said:
LOL

What independents was he behind for any election held within the past 10 years?

Who does he work for?

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but says he’s a dog…?

And I hate that you guys think I’m someone else’s name.
I AM THE ORIGINaL BiLL HUGGInS!!!

Your paranoia is hilarious

Doesn’t matter , Republican-in-Name-only has to be somebody who CLAIMS to be one . It’s really not that hard , Bill.

Nationman said:
yes like the tea party, that crazy guy who shot giffords for instance. it’s His own responsibility for the shooting, how can you not hold other people such as those who have done these horrid things to the same standard?

You better tell that to all your crazy Liberal friends who said Gifford’s shooter was motivated by Sarah Palin.

lol

Latin2 said:
I will remember that when you Liberals write that the Tea Party members are racists…lol

do you have like a direct quote of me saying something akin to that? I provided links in the other thread to prove there are radical elements to the tea party, just as there are radical elements to any movement.

I blame Ed Schultz for the teacher arrested for making a death threat in WI .

*rolleyes*

Latin2 said:
You better tell that to all your crazy Liberal friends who said Gifford’s shooter was motivated by Sarah Palin. lol

again, when have I said something akin to that? it’s almost as big a leap as saying reverend wright was a huge influence on barack’s politics.

Nationman said:
again, when have I said something akin to that? it’s almost as big a leap as saying reverend wright was a huge influence on barack’s politics.

You mean when YOU posted this:

“ah yes, we can just excuse something like this then: http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader ”

Implying that everyone at the Tea Party was linked to this man.

Latin2 said:
You mean when YOU posted this: “ah yes, we can just excuse something like this then: http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader ” Implying that everyone at the Tea Party was linked to this man.

did I say that? again I was suggesting there are radical elements to the tea party just as there are for any movement.

Nationman said:
You mean when YOU posted this:

“ah yes, we can just excuse something like this then: http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader ”

Implying that everyone at the Tea Party was linked to this man.

You mean when YOU posted this:

“ah yes, we can just excuse something like this then: http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader ”

Implying that everyone at the Tea Party was linked to this man.

Nationman said:
did I say that? again I was suggesting there are radical elements to the tea party just as there are for any movement.

uh…that is the same thing. If it wasn’t WHY DID YOU POST IT?

murf said:
Surely you aware of psychopaths like Roeder almost always leave behind writings , quotes , some kind of evidence of their influences? Again I ask you to provide proof that Scott Roeder was influenced or even knew of Bill O’Reilly .

What makes you assume Roeder is a psychopath? All I know about him is that he is a cold blooded murderer. I don’t believe he has offered an insanity defense.
It’s not my job to exonerate your heroes.

The only people with blood on their hands are the murderers, and nobody else. In America we have freedom of speech and expression, which means I can burn the Bible or the Koran if I wanted too.

To suggest that this guy has blood on his hands is to suggest we actually have no freedom of speech at all. If, for example, I express my non-violent expression of speech and someone else turns and murders someone because I dared speak it, I CANNOT LET THAT MURDEROUS EVIL PERSON then take away my rights because of it. We’re actually rewarding murder and attacking speech. It’s similar to how our society now rewards people for being poor, yet punishes you for success.

A lot of Americans think our speech should be stifled because of the evil actions of other people.

What if a President Obama supporter had burned the Constitution, and then a Tea Party person killed two Democrats in retaliation? Would the mainstream media be up in arms with the person who burned the Constitution or the murderer?

Latin2 said:
uh…that is the same thing. If it wasn’t WHY DID YOU POST IT?

that’s pretty funny, so when you post all those videos of random liberals doing bad things you really think that all liberals are like that don’t you? I posted it to prove there are radical elements in the tea party not to condemn every person who shares their beliefs. you saw that video of rand paul supporters that I posted there as well right? I actually have a huge respect for the paul family, yet again just as there are fringe elements on the left there are some on the right as well.

Joseph Glackin said:
What makes you assume Roeder is a psychopath? All I know about him is that he is a cold blooded murderer. I don’t believe he has offered an insanity defense.
It’s not my job to exonerate your heroes.

Still no proof O’Reilly had any influence on Scott Roeder ? Give it up Joe, just cuz Maddow , Olbermann say so , doesn’t make it true . Scapegoat , look it up . BTW I’m pro-choice .

Nationman said:
that’s pretty funny, so when you post all those videos of random liberals doing bad things you really think that all liberals are like that don’t you? I posted it to prove there are radical elements in the tea party not to condemn every person who shares their beliefs. you saw that video of rand paul supporters that I posted there as well right? I actually have a huge respect for the paul family, yet again just as there are fringe elements on the left there are some on the right as well.

Nice try…If you followed the story of the man in the photo HE WAS KICKED OUT…now compare that to those on the Left who were rioting, attacking and assaulting police, using racist language, over turning cars, plotting to economically bring down the U.S. economy and signing 9/11 petitions saying our country was behind the attacks that killed 3,000 innocent people.

You tried, failed, to make the blanket statement that the Tea Party was racist, but I proved that there are MANY incidents of Liberals destroying private property, attacking police men, being racist and doing despicable things…yet THEY were not kicked out or shunned.

Sooo Nationman why did you post that ONE photo and story if you wrote you cannot hold ONE PERSON responsible for the actions of a group?

Normally I’m a fan of Bill O’Reilly, but not this time, this time you’re an IDIOT.

1. If burning bibles is so bad, how come the US military burned unsolicited bibles that were sent to Afghanistan?
2. If we’re fighting for freedom abroad, how come Petraeus is demanding censorship at home?
3. Bill, you said if we’re going to fight a war we should fight to win. If FDR didn’t worry about offending the Japanese and the Germans why should we worry about offending Islamic terrorists?

As for the safety of our troops, guess what, since when are wars safe? It’s the enemy that puts our troops in danger, and that enemy is going to attack whether we burn or don’t burn korans.

In fact, maybe we should tell the enemy that for every American we kill we will burn 10 korans. Maybe that will stop them.

http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

Nationman said:
you saw that video of rand paul supporters that I posted there as well right? I actually have a huge respect for the paul family, yet again just as there are fringe elements on the left there are some on the right as well.

You mean the one of the crazy Liberal women, who btw has a criminal record, who went to Rand Paul campaign meeting and violently pushed her way towards Rand Paul’s car. In a time when crazed people run up to candidates and physically attack them she was taken down and held down. Plus what happened to that man. He was condemned….and what happened to that crazed woman who attacked Rand Paul’s vehicle? She was glorified as a hero and a victim by many of the Left.

Now why was the woman trying to attack Rand Paul’s car? She was a member of MoveOn.org who was TOLD to go rallies and cause problems.

Here is the Liberal MoveOn.org ATTACKING Rand Paul. See for yourself as the security detail stops her and takes her down…NOW…why was she doing that? Shoving a placed right into his face as he rode in the passenger seat?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLeud-sxrM&feature=player_embedded

Proving once again many Liberals are VIOLENT. She also was arrested for trespassing and damaging a ship before this incident.

So Nationman…this is YOUR innocent victim;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaS5f1Ec50

ANOTHER VIDEO of a unhinged Liberal kook trespassing PRIVATE property, damaging PRIVATE property, and attacking a business.

So there you go Nationman…MORE PROOF to show I was right.

Thanks, smooches.

I wrote & recorded this song on September 9, 2010. Protesters played this song on 911 over loudspeakers in front of The Dove Outreach Center, which is Jones church. It is known that Pastor Jones HATES this song. Please play it & share the song with all of the people you can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwL0-0fpu-U

I agree with Bill O’Rielly about half the time , but according to his logic if he reports it he has responsibility for the next muslim terroist attack. People are responsible for their own actions. period.

Meanwhile over the weekend Muslims massacred over a 1,000 Christians in the Ivory Coast.

Latin2 said:
Plus what happened to that man. He was condemned…..

Ohhh, poor baby. Maybe he should have had his head stomped? But no, those mean liberals..condemned him..how..fair?

Now where the Muslims in the Ivory Coast mad because of the Terry Jones, or where they just killing Christians?

Lustreking said:
Ohhh, poor baby. Maybe he should have had his head stomped? But no, those mean liberals..condemned him..how..fair?

Maybe that ‘activist’ with a CRIMINAL RECORD should not have attacked Rand Paul’s vehicle. If you watch the video you can see her JUMP up and make a quick dash towards Paul’s open window…HITTING him with the placard.

Watch again;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLeud-sxrM&feature=player_embedded

Now watch her past record of VIOLENT illegal actions;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaS5f1Ec50

Now…do you condone her actions? If you do then you are sick.

Why did the Pastor burn the Koran if he knew what the consequences would be? What did he gain? What did anyone gain? He’s a Pastor, the head of a church, he’s supposed to be a role model.

The murderers in Afganistan should be caught and sentanced to death. However we Americans have Freedom of Speech and the leaders in our community shouldn’t hide behind that right in order to knowingly put other lives in danger. There are countless ways to speak out against terrorism. There are many more powerful ways that the Pastor and his congregation could get their message out.

As Americans, we also believe in Freedom of Religion and that right is just as important as Freedom of Speech.

fishchef said:
Why did the Pastor burn the Koran if he knew what the consequences would be? What did he gain? What did anyone gain? He’s a Pastor, the head of a church, he’s supposed to be a role model.

The murderers in Afganistan should be caught and sentanced to death. However we Americans have Freedom of Speech and the leaders in our community shouldn’t hide behind that right in order to knowingly put other lives in danger. There are countless ways to speak out against terrorism. There are many more powerful ways that the Pastor and his congregation could get their message out.

As Americans, we also believe in Freedom of Religion and that right is just as important as Freedom of Speech.

What does Freedom of Religion have to do with someone burning a Quran?

People burn Bibles all the time. They burn Bibles in Muslim countries ALL THE TIME.

There are videos on Youtube of people burning Bibles, AND Qurans. Flushing Bibles AND Qurans in the toilet. So what makes the Quran more important than any other book?

NOTHING.

If people let ONE religion have control over freedom of speech and expression than MAKE IT A CRIME TO OFFEND EVERY RELIGION; including Scientology, Christianity, Zionism, Witchcraft and ANY belief sacred.

There is a slippery slope if we allow ONE religion to dictate our principles.

Jones does not have blood on his hands. Does Molly Norris have blood on her hands? Do the cartoonists who drew Muhammad have blood on their hands? The blame does not belong to Terry Jones…the blame is on the hard core Muslim extremists.

What Nato forces should do is TRACK DOWN which mosque turned out those rioters and murders and arrest the Iman. He is the one who has blood on his hands.

Latin2 said:
Now…do you condone her actions?

Yes I do. I think her actions are well within the realm of civil disobedience. Stomping on her head on the other hand, that’s sick. But, wingnuts seemed pretty scared of women. Don’t seem to trust them either considering their attempts to take their choice away about family planning. So she scared a couple of wingnuts and they reacted over the top and violently. Par for the course really.

Latin2 said:
What does Freedom of Religion have to do with someone burning a Quran? People burn Bibles all the time. They burn Bibles in Muslim countries ALL THE TIME. There are videos on Youtube of people burning Bibles, AND Qurans. Flushing Bibles AND Qurans in the toilet. So what makes the Quran more important than any other book? NOTHING.

Freedom of Religion has nothing to do with burning the Quran. That’s Freedom of Speech.

Nowhere did I say that one book was more important than any other book.

The point is realizing that actions have consequences. This person knew his action would have consequences. As a community leader he knew that his POINTLESS action would have the CONSEQUENCE of inciting people to cause the death of other people. It would be different if there were a point – if it would help a cause, like what Ghandi or MLK did to raise awareness of their causes. But that was not the case.

The Pastor is an ass. He has every right to be. That doesn’t make him less of an ass.

I also don’t believe he has blood on his hands. The responsibility for those deaths lies with those who committed the atrocities, and only them. The Pastor has committed no crime. But he had a choice. He chose to commit an act that ended in the deaths of others.

Man kicks hornets nest. Hornets sting women. Women yells at man. Women kicks man in balls. Man sleeps on couch. Why does man sleep on couch?

fishchef said:
I also don’t believe he has blood on his hands. The responsibility for those deaths lies with those who committed the atrocities, and only them. The Pastor has committed no crime. But he had a choice. He chose to commit an act that ended in the deaths of others.

sorry Fishy, you got a lil blood dripping off your hands too, as do all of you dumbass conservatives that don’t believe that fat meat is greasy, i don’t think the freedom of speech argument will keep the extremists from loping off your head if they catch you burning a Koran. you just like the media are on the run…blaming everybody except yourselves for what happened..O’riellys sorry excuse of we didn’t show the Koran burning doesn’t get it….networks and republicans spent a month cheering for Jones last Sept when he first threatened to burn the book…you followed him around, camped out at his church and broadcast every word he said on tv AS IF HE WERE JESUS CHRIST…he was your rightwing hero during the debate over the ground zero community center, you freaks hate Muslims so much you glorify anybody that openly speaks against them, you painted every Muslim in America as a terrorist. Why were we even aware of who terry Jones is???….because YOU made him famous….then when he does the bullshit you do what conservatives do best….run and hide and start reciting one of the 2 amendments of the constitution that you know. the rest of it is just a gotdamned piece of paper to you…so DONT RUN CONSERVATHUG….MAN THE HELL UP…..WIPE THE BLOOD OFF YOUR HANDS AND KEEP IT MOVIN

ProObamaAgenda said:
?….because YOU made him famous….then when he does the bullshit you do what conservatives do best

Actually you dumb bitch , RICK SANCHEZ/CNN made Terry Jones famous , FOX barely covered him and O’Reilly didn’t mention his name back when he was threatening to burn the Quran . Get your facts straight you moonbat .

If Terry Joned has blood on his hands for his actions, then John Lennon had blood on his for writing “Helter Skelter”, Ozzy Osbourne has it on his for “Suicide Solution”, Tupac, Biggie Smalls, NWA, etc. has it on them for gang violence, and some could claim Billo has some on him for Tiller the Killer….

ProObamaAgenda – How much do you get paid by MM or Organizing For America for “commenting” your racist tripe? Or do you contribute your babbling nonsense for free?

BITCH???….hahaha….got me mixed up with ya sister fool….i watch FOX and terry jones was on the network a lot during that time heres what Jones said about FOX

Terry Jones, the Florida minister who drew international attention with his threatened burning of the Quran, says Fox News Channel was one of the few news outlets that was “sympathetic” to his cause.

“Generally, I find Fox a little bit more sympathetic or open to the message that we were trying to give,” Jones said by phone. “I felt they were generally more fair.”

Jones, who had planned to burn a Quran at his Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla. on Sept. 11, said most media outlets did not cover him fairly. But he said Fox News Channel understood his position.

“Others tried to focus on me as a dumb hick who just wanted media attention,” Jones said, adding “With Fox, you felt you could say your part. There was an understanding there. I felt more able to say my piece, unlimited, for Fox more than the others. I felt that other news outlets were more in denial of the potential problems [of Islam] – they wanted to sweep it under the carpet.”

NOW GO WASH THE BLOOD OFF YOUR HANDS TOO, DIPSHIT

ProObamaAgenda said:
BITCH???….hahaha….got me mixed up with ya sister fool….i watch FOX and terry jones was on the network a lot during that time heres what Jones said about FOX

Terry Jones, the Florida minister who drew international attention with his threatened burning of the Quran, says Fox News Channel was one of the few news outlets that was “sympathetic” to his cause.

“Generally, I find Fox a little bit more sympathetic or open to the message that we were trying to give,” Jones said by phone. “I felt they were generally more fair.”

Jones, who had planned to burn a Quran at his Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla. on Sept. 11, said most media outlets did not cover him fairly. But he said Fox News Channel understood his position.

“Others tried to focus on me as a dumb hick who just wanted media attention,” Jones said, adding “With Fox, you felt you could say your part. There was an understanding there. I felt more able to say my piece, unlimited, for Fox more than the others. I felt that other news outlets were more in denial of the potential problems [of Islam] – they wanted to sweep it under the carpet.”

NOW GO WASH THE BLOOD OFF YOUR HANDS TOO, DIPSHIT

Here you go fool , you make this too easy .

http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-koran-burning-coverage-turns-out-that-fox-news-had-it-right/

Next!

LOL…..THIS WAS IN YOUR LINK….PLUS IT CAME FROM HERE…WHICH MEANS IS LITTLE MORE THAN A MORON TO MORON DRIVE BY

This is not to say that Fox News’ decision was necessarily a news-gathering one. Some have suggested they provided little coverage to Rev. Jones in an effort to marginalize him as an outlier, not representative of the Southern, conservative Christian base, which appreciates FNC’s coverage. As one media insider claimed, “Fox just doesn’t pound a story of a crazy Preacher. Its not their audience.”

SEEMS LIKE FOX DIDNT WANT TO PISS OFF THEIR AUDIENCE TO MUCH BY PUTTIN MIKE HUCKABEES MENTOR IN A BAD LIGHT HUH…..LOLOLOLOLOLOL……DUMBASS

ProObamaAgenda said:
LOL…..THIS WAS IN YOUR LINK….PLUS IT CAME FROM HERE…WHICH MEANS IS LITTLE MORE THAN A MORON TO MORON DRIVE BY

This is not to say that Fox News’ decision was necessarily a news-gathering one. Some have suggested they provided little coverage to Rev. Jones in an effort to marginalize him as an outlier, not representative of the Southern, conservative Christian base, which appreciates FNC’s coverage. As one media insider claimed, “Fox just doesn’t pound a story of a crazy Preacher. Its not their audience.”

SEEMS LIKE FOX DIDNT WANT TO PISS OFF THEIR AUDIENCE TO MUCH BY PUTTIN MIKE HUCKABEES MENTOR IN A BAD LIGHT HUH…..LOLOLOLOLOLOL……DUMBASS

Yeah keep spinning it Sparky. You type like a typical leftist , obnoxious , and like a three year old with finger paint .

Dsiscokid said:
If Terry Joned has blood on his hands for his actions, then John Lennon had blood on his for writing “Helter Skelter”, Ozzy Osbourne has it on his for “Suicide Solution”, Tupac, Biggie Smalls, NWA, etc. has it on them for gang violence, and some could claim Billo has some on him for Tiller the Killer….

Yes, especially the last, which was explicitly stated on Bill’s show many times.
PS, you forgot Blue Oyster Cult for “Don’t Fear the Reaper”…..

Sounds to me like MEDIAite faults O’Reilly and rufuses to place blame for these murders of innocent Christians, at the hands of barbaric muslims. Worse yet the writer clearly presents his/her own beliefs, as O’Reilly’s, with a statement such as O’Reilly put the blame ” squarely ” i te hands of this ” insane Christian “.

Putting your own predjudices against Christians, or any group for that matter, dishonestly as the words of another, especially when that other is someone so many people trust and believe to be truthful is absolutely unacceptable and must be addressed.

You may not believe this slight of words was a big deal, but I assure you it is.

What is it with you libs taking up the causes of muslim haters against Christians and America? Have the American people really treated YOU that badly?

First of all Billo, the Afghan do not see the US Military invasion as ‘saving’ them. Secondly, Karzai appears to me to be a demagogue, he is hated by his own people, so he throws in a red meat to the people to distract them of the hatred towards him.

Snowspot said:
I actually agree with Bill on this one, although I think it’s wrong to target muslims in America or create any special attention for them here, the fanatics in the Middle East are living in middle ages still. How can those people rationalize killing innocent UN workers when those workers clearly had nothing to do with the Koran burning. Clearly something has gone very wrong in their society on that part of the earth… I say we pull out of that ****hole and let Karzai fend for himself. Why even help people like that? Lets get out.

Well just how are we targeting muslims in America? Are we lining them up on a wall and shooting them? There are no abuses what so ever going on so I dont understand why the concern.

You make a distinction between the “fanatics in the Middle East” and the ones here in America and that is terribly wrong to do so. With all our freedom, why would you assume that their fanatical ways wouldn’t carry over to here? It already has, you should be noticing it in little stories here and there.

If this is allowed to flourish while simultaneously over time, they start to become a majority, like in Lebanon and the rest of the Middle East over the last 1300 years, then eventually we too will become subject to Sharia and the whole nasty bag that is the “Religion of Peace.”

I’m starting to not mind the pulling out part but it wouldn’t stop our problems over here, and especially with views like your’s on the matter. We must be forceful in letting them know thier religion, which is partly at war with us and wholly incompatible with ours, will not be tolerated here in the states.

Snowspot said:
Why are we wasting American money and lives on people that want to burn us anytime they can rationalize it in their cavemen brains? I’m sorry but I’d rather spend a day with the most fanatical Tea-Bagger than someone out their protesting the right to behead people when their feelings get hurt. There is no comparison.

I think for the most part most people are not for “policing” actions. But 9/11 taught us that “containment” and “isolation” will not work. So we put money and blood into trying to build up these countries so that they become better places and maniacs like the taliban and al-queda cant exist there.

I think thats why we do it.

So if we’re in there trying it this way, we’re bad. If we stay out of there and wait till 9/11 happens, well thats obviously bad. When we react we have to be “proportional” or we’re bad. And “preemptive” strikes? Well thats just insane.

Summation? The USA sucks! Right?

Religious fundamentalism is always a distortion of the principles of the faith in question, and, as such religious fundamentalists always have more in common with one another than with mainline members of their own faith. A Christian fundamentalist is much more like an Islamic fundamentalist than he or she is like a Methodist minister, a Presbyterian education director or a Catholic priest.

Nationman said:
again, when have I said something akin to that? it’s almost as big a leap as saying reverend wright was a huge influence on barack’s politics.

The problem was that he wasn’t.

Nationman said:
did I say that? again I was suggesting there are radical elements to the tea party just as there are for any movement.

And these suggestions, stuck somewhere between grossly exaggerated and pure bullshit anyway, were supposed to point out what?

Latin2 said:
You mean the one of the crazy Liberal women, who btw has a criminal record, who went to Rand Paul campaign meeting and violently pushed her way towards Rand Paul’s car. In a time when crazed people run up to candidates and physically attack them she was taken down and held down. Plus what happened to that man. He was condemned….and what happened to that crazed woman who attacked Rand Paul’s vehicle? She was glorified as a hero and a victim by many of the Left. Now why was the woman trying to attack Rand Paul’s car? She was a member of MoveOn.org who was TOLD to go rallies and cause problems. Here is the Liberal MoveOn.org ATTACKING Rand Paul. See for yourself as the security detail stops her and takes her down…NOW…why was she doing that? Shoving a placed right into his face as he rode in the passenger seat? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLeud-sxrM&feature=player_embedded Proving once again many Liberals are VIOLENT. She also was arrested for trespassing and damaging a ship before this incident.

Remember that sick bitch? Profesional antagonistic trouble making liberal useless moron. Wig and all, what a joke. But gladly, only other mindless libs would defend her. Most see her for the loser that she was.

And of course “Many liberals are violent.” You have to dig hard to find a republican/conservative/tea pary member acting violent or breaking the law. When ever you see police having to take action, wether it’s full blown riots or just carrying out those sit in clowns, thats always the left. What a joke to try and make comparisons. And how ironic. After watching libs in full charge and openly destroying the country, it we be our side that would be justified to absolutely lose it and act up in such away.

But we dont.

fishchef said:
Why did the Pastor burn the Koran if he knew what the consequences would be? What did he gain? What did anyone gain? He’s a Pastor, the head of a church, he’s supposed to be a role model. The murderers in Afganistan should be caught and sentanced to death. However we Americans have Freedom of Speech and the leaders in our community shouldn’t hide behind that right in order to knowingly put other lives in danger. There are countless ways to speak out against terrorism. There are many more powerful ways that the Pastor and his congregation could get their message out. As Americans, we also believe in Freedom of Religion and that right is just as important as Freedom of Speech.

“Lives in danger” is a constant over there. You people really need to wake up. What did he gain? Awareness! And desperately needed awareness, apparently. For everyone wrongly blaming the Jonses of the world, hopefully there are ten new people saying, “Holy f—, these animals are beheading people because a koran was burned? Holy shit thats wrong!”

Listen John, I was in Iraq 2 years ago and i’ll be in Afghanistan next year. It is our job to be on full alert 100% of the time. We do not go on 110% alert because someone back home practiced his freedom of speech. And if the victims are even more “innocent” non American troops or personal, then that just show’s how even more savage and nonsensical these muslim fanatics are.

Stop picking on “how” this pastor got his message out. Your just barking up the wrong tree.

lobodons said:
Man kicks hornets nest. Hornets sting women. Women yells at man. Women kicks man in balls. Man sleeps on couch. Why does man sleep on couch?

Cause he kicked the hornets nest.

ProObamaAgenda said:
blaming everybody except yourselves for what happened..O’riellys sorry excuse of we didn’t show the Koran burning doesn’t get it….networks and republicans spent a month cheering for Jones last Sept when he first threatened to burn the book…you followed him around, camped out at his church and broadcast every word he said on tv AS IF HE WERE JESUS CHRIST…he was your rightwing hero during the debate over the ground zero community center, you freaks hate Muslims so much you glorify anybody that openly speaks against them, you painted every Muslim in America as a terrorist. Why were we even aware of who terry Jones is???….because YOU made him famous….then when he does the bullshit you do what conservatives do best….run and hide and start reciting one of the 2 amendments of the constitution that you know.

The next time you’re right, moocher, will be the first time you’re right. Koran Burning Coverage: Turns Out Fox News Had It Right

I agree with O’Reilly that this Pastor is a miserable idiot, who’s just looking to get his name in the news anyway he can. I however do not agree that it’s the Pastor that has blood on his hands.It’s the people that’s doing the mayhem that has the blood on their hands. Really, how dumb is it to kill your own fellow citizens over a sacred book burning by some fool of another religion thousands of miles away? Especially dumb since the people being killed also worship the same book as their killers do. How in anyway is the violence hurting or changing the views of this Pastor? It’s not. If anything it makes his point. All the blood being shed over this is totally the responsibility of the people participating in the mayhem. They need to grow up and see that what that man did reflects only on his character and does not make Islam any less significant. It should have made them ban together and be more secure.

ProObamaAgenda said:
sorry Fishy, you got a lil blood dripping off your hands too, as do all of you dumbass conservatives that don’t believe that fat meat is greasy, i don’t think the freedom of speech argument will keep the extremists from loping off your head if they catch you burning a Koran. you just like the media are on the run…blaming everybody except yourselves for what happened..O’riellys sorry excuse of we didn’t show the Koran burning doesn’t get it….networks and republicans spent a month cheering for Jones last Sept when he first threatened to burn the book…you followed him around, camped out at his church and broadcast every word he said on tv AS IF HE WERE JESUS CHRIST…he was your rightwing hero during the debate over the ground zero community center, you freaks hate Muslims so much you glorify anybody that openly speaks against them, you painted every Muslim in America as a terrorist. Why were we even aware of who terry Jones is???….because YOU made him famous….then when he does the bullshit you do what conservatives do best….run and hide and start reciting one of the 2 amendments of the constitution that you know. the rest of it is just a gotdamned piece of paper to you…so DONT RUN CONSERVATHUG….MAN THE HELL UP…..WIPE THE BLOOD OFF YOUR HANDS AND KEEP IT MOVIN

Clearly the dumbest post in weeks.

Steve_27 said:
Clearly the dumbest post in weeks.

I’m not so sure about that. This is one prolific moron and he’s left massive amounts of stupid on these pages.

Dsiscokid said:
If Terry Joned has blood on his hands for his actions, then John Lennon had blood on his for writing “Helter Skelter”, Ozzy Osbourne has it on his for “Suicide Solution”, Tupac, Biggie Smalls, NWA, etc. has it on them for gang violence, and some could claim Billo has some on him for Tiller the Killer….

Judas Priest, Stained Class?

Latin2 said:
Nice try…If you followed the story of the man in the photo HE WAS KICKED OUT…now compare that to those on the Left who were rioting, attacking and assaulting police, using racist language, over turning cars, plotting to economically bring down the U.S. economy and signing 9/11 petitions saying our country was behind the attacks that killed 3,000 innocent people. You tried, failed, to make the blanket statement that the Tea Party was racist, but I proved that there are MANY incidents of Liberals destroying private property, attacking police men, being racist and doing despicable things…yet THEY were not kicked out or shunned.

again you’re putting words in my mouth, you’re point was that all tea party activists were some how innocent of everything, that every single one of them was some how innocent. My point was that, like any movement, they have problems. but keep yelling like a little child about how the evil liberals are trying to take your house and your family.

ProObamaAgenda said:
LOL…..THIS WAS IN YOUR LINK….PLUS IT CAME FROM HERE…WHICH MEANS IS LITTLE MORE THAN A MORON TO MORON DRIVE BY This is not to say that Fox News’ decision was necessarily a news-gathering one. Some have suggested they provided little coverage to Rev. Jones in an effort to marginalize him as an outlier, not representative of the Southern, conservative Christian base, which appreciates FNC’s coverage. As one media insider claimed, “Fox just doesn’t pound a story of a crazy Preacher. Its not their audience.” SEEMS LIKE FOX DIDNT WANT TO PISS OFF THEIR AUDIENCE TO MUCH BY PUTTIN MIKE HUCKABEES MENTOR IN A BAD LIGHT HUH…..LOLOLOLOLOLOL……DUMBASS

Your embarrassing yourself. Quit this topic and post somewhere else, do yourself a favor.

Dsiscokid said:
If Terry Joned has blood on his hands for his actions, then John Lennon had blood on his for writing “Helter Skelter”, Ozzy Osbourne has it on his for “Suicide Solution”, Tupac, Biggie Smalls, NWA, etc. has it on them for gang violence, and some could claim Billo has some on him for Tiller the Killer….

The funny thing is, those rap groups are exactly who the conservatives blamed right after events such as the columbine shooting.

Nationman said:
The funny thing is, those rap groups are exactly who the conservatives blamed right after events such as the columbine shooting.

also metal groups, basically anyone who used naughty swear words.

Steve_27 said:
Judas Priest, Stained Class?

Ice-T and Body Count – “Cop Killer”
Marlyn Manson and Columbine

I could go on and on, but my point is that those who want to blame those murders on Jones HAVE to be intellectually honest with themselves and consistent with other forms of “expressions”

Nationman said:
The funny thing is, those rap groups are exactly who the conservatives blamed right after events such as the columbine shooting.

Nationman said:
also metal groups, basically anyone who used naughty swear words.

I rest my case……

Nationman said:
The funny thing is, those rap groups are exactly who the conservatives blamed right after events such as the columbine shooting.

Interesting how you totally ignored the other examples cited.

Christianity has a 2000 year history of action antithetic to the teaching of the messiah they claim.

If you ARE a warmongering geocentric Machiavellian ready to torture anyone who ‘might’ be dangerous or preemptively kill anyone capable of violence you certainly don’t understand the Jesus who said: “Love your enemies” , “turn the other cheek”.
People don’t seem to understand that we change people most by DEMONSTRATING how uh…. we want to be treated?

I believe in God, and Christ. But I also recognize that ‘christians’ have FAR more blood on their hands than Islam. Inquisitions, Crusades, and enough holy wars to keep Europe flowing blood for centuries is why most contemporary Europeans don’t agree with American R wing republican, Rush lovin, scoal spitin, gun totin, beer drinkin Baptist prohibitionist idiots who have never read either history or their own Bible.

I fear we are socially primed for another holocaust.

Dsiscokid said:
Ice-T and Body Count – “Cop Killer”Marlyn Manson and Columbine I could go on and on, but my point is that those who want to blame those murders on Jones HAVE to be intellectually honest with themselves and consistent with other forms of “expressions” I rest my case……

true agreed one hundred percent. It needs to stop on both sides, someone saying something does not convince people to do anything. I do think in general burning books is a bad idea, jones himself knew that people would use the event as an excuse. the only people with blood on their hands however are those who committed the murders.

Peter Youngs said:
Inquisitions, Crusades, and enough holy wars to keep Europe flowing blood for centuries

Roman Catholic religious organizations. Please do some basic research before you post. Thanks

Peter Youngs said:
idiots who have never read either history or their own Bible.

One of the biggest follies of all mankind, I’m afraid……

Dsiscokid said:
Roman Catholic religious organizations. Please do some basic research before you post. Thanks

so the civil wars based on the protestant reformation? The massacre of indian tribes by christian settlers? you want more?

Nationman said:
so the civil wars based on the protestant reformation? The massacre of indian tribes by christian settlers? you want more?

Didn’t know indian tribes were massacred in Europe, but anyway….
Mao’s Cultural revolution?
Russian Revolution?
Stalin’s starvation campaign in the Ukraine?
Idi Amin in Uganda?
Turkish holocaust of Armenians?
Feel free to “enlighten” me with your secular humanism history lesson……
Howard Zinn would be proud…….

Nationman said:
Nationman

Have you ever read the Bible for yourself?
Have you ever read the Koran for yourself?

Peter Youngs said:
People don’t seem to understand that we change people most by DEMONSTRATING how uh…. we want to be treated

Agreed

ProObamaAgenda said:
sorry Fishy, you got a lil blood dripping off your hands too, as do all of you dumbass conservatives that don’t believe that fat meat is greasy, i don’t think the freedom of speech argument will keep the extremists from loping off your head if they catch you burning a Koran. you just like the media are on the run…blaming everybody except yourselves for what happened..O’riellys sorry excuse of we didn’t show the Koran burning doesn’t get it….networks and republicans spent a month cheering for Jones last Sept when he first threatened to burn the book…you followed him around, camped out at his church and broadcast every word he said on tv AS IF HE WERE JESUS CHRIST…he was your rightwing hero during the debate over the ground zero community center, you freaks hate Muslims so much you glorify anybody that openly speaks against them, you painted every Muslim in America as a terrorist. Why were we even aware of who terry Jones is???….because YOU made him famous….then when he does the bullshit you do what conservatives do best….run and hide and start reciting one of the 2 amendments of the constitution that you know. the rest of it is just a gotdamned piece of paper to you…so DONT RUN CONSERVATHUG….MAN THE HELL UP…..WIPE THE BLOOD OFF YOUR HANDS AND KEEP IT MOVIN

I don’t think you understood the words that were coming out of my fingers:
1. Terry Jones is an ass.
2. I’m not a conservative, I’ve voted democrat since 1978. My mom and dad had a JFK’s picture hanging on the wall. I voted for Obama, the pragmatist because I believe that pragmatism is the best course when running a country.
3. I believe that the Constitution is more important than any religious book, but because the Constitution says so, I believe that everyone has a right to believe in anything they want to.
4. I believe Muslims have every right to believe what they want to believe. Muslims are not to blame for terrorism, terrorists are. You can’t blame the peace loving 99.9% for the small group of aholes.
5. I didn’t create Terry Jones or promote him, I commented on the situation.
6. The Islamic community center should be built. One of the reasons is the Constitution and Freedom of Religion. We are Americans. This is who we are. Our forefathers came to this country to escape religious persecution.

Please read more carefully, ’cause you got the whole thing wrong.

Steve_27 said:
“Lives in danger” is a constant over there. You people really need to wake up. What did he gain? Awareness! And desperately needed awareness, apparently. For everyone wrongly blaming the Jonses of the world, hopefully there are ten new people saying, “Holy f—, these animals are beheading people because a koran was burned? Holy shit thats wrong!” Listen John, I was in Iraq 2 years ago and i’ll be in Afghanistan next year. It is our job to be on full alert 100% of the time. We do not go on 110% alert because someone back home practiced his freedom of speech. And if the victims are even more “innocent” non American troops or personal, then that just show’s how even more savage and nonsensical these muslim fanatics are. Stop picking on “how” this pastor got his message out. Your just barking up the wrong tree.

Steve, are you serving in the armed forces? What are you doing in Iraq and Afganistan. I ask respectfully, not as a wiseass.

It’s possible Jones’ action did ’cause’ them to kill people. It’s possible a dog ’caused’ Son of Sam to become a serial killer. It’s possible the song Helter Skelter on the Beatles’ White Album ’caused’ Manson to be a killer. Does everyone have to walk on eggshells all the time in fear of how some nuts may react?

writer said:
It’s possible Jones’ action did ’cause’ them to kill people. It’s possible a dog ’caused’ Son of Sam to become a serial killer. It’s possible the song Helter Skelter on the Beatles’ White Album ’caused’ Manson to be a killer. Does everyone have to walk on eggshells all the time in fear of how some nuts may react?

Unrelated.

fishchef said:
Steve, are you serving in the armed forces? What are you doing in Iraq and Afganistan. I ask respectfully, not as a wiseass.

No sweat. Army reserve.

So a killer says some outside influence ‘made’ him act as he did, and you see no relationship at all? Okay.

Dsiscokid said:
Ice-T and Body Count – “Cop Killer”Marlyn Manson and Columbine I could go on and on, but my point is that those who want to blame those murders on Jones HAVE to be intellectually honest with themselves and consistent with other forms of “expressions” I rest my case……

I was just goofing. I’m a big Priest fan and remembered they got sued in the 80′s for some nonsense.

fishchef said:
Unrelated.

How so? They are totally related in the context of the story.

Flip Wilson used to say the devil made him do it. I guess that works too.

Steve_27 said:
I was just goofing. I’m a big Priest fan and remembered they got sued in the 80’s for some nonsense.

Oh, I know. It’s just baffling how some on here fail to see the connection.

Dsiscokid said:
Have you ever read the Bible for yourself?Have you ever read the Koran for yourself?

i have, you ever read something called the old testament? not gonna go into it but it’s full of god commanding genocide and murder.

fishchef said:
I don’t think you understood the words that were coming out of my fingers:1. Terry Jones is an ass.2. I’m not a conservative, I’ve voted democrat since 1978. My mom and dad had a JFK’s picture hanging on the wall. I voted for Obama, the pragmatist because I believe that pragmatism is the best course when running a country.3. I believe that the Constitution is more important than any religious book, but because the Constitution says so, I believe that everyone has a right to believe in anything they want to.4. I believe Muslims have every right to believe what they want to believe. Muslims are not to blame for terrorism, terrorists are. You can’t blame the peace loving 99.9% for the small group of aholes.5. I didn’t create Terry Jones or promote him, I commented on the situation.6. The Islamic community center should be built. One of the reasons is the Constitution and Freedom of Religion. We are Americans. This is who we are. Our forefathers came to this country to escape religious persecution. Please read more carefully, ’cause you got the whole thing wrong.

I respectfully take issue with #4.

Over the years, once in awhile i’ll hear some pundit or whatever refere to the radical element as 5, maybe 10% Thats the biggest # i’ve ever heard. Although, like the rest of the planet, I cant give you an exact #, I know this is absurdly low.

I like to explain it this way, so check this out and tell me what you think:

Imagine two countries bordering eachother. They are the same size, one is islam and the other whatever you want it to be. Now the “radical” element part of the islamic country does their jihad/terrorist thing and evetually over runs this bordering country. Now they own it and move in. Does the peaceful element of this islamic nation condemn this action and stay on their side of the border in protest cause this action was un-islamic?

Hell no. They move rite in with them and just continue living as they were. Just in a new territory. There are the ones actually commiting violence, the ones who openly support those actions in demostrations, (I understand they are the same in many cases) The ones that support it but quietly cause they are not game for blood shed themselves. (every backround has cowards) And finally there are the ones we refer to as “stealthy.” All of these add up to way more then less then 1%, by alot, as far as i’m concerned.

Before the Prophet, the middle east was all christians, jews, pagans and bedouins. Fast forward 1300 years and it is 90% muslim. This happen simply because the individuals in this geographical area just happen to find islam much more favorable? C’mon John, really. This was put to any people in its way by the sword. Natural obstacles and more succesfully advanced western societies is all that slowed the savagry.

The koran has passages that cannot simply be misinterpreted by 1% of that entier faith. There is outright evil involved and we have to stop being afraid to call it what it is.

And also dont like 6 but this is good for now.

writer said:
Flip Wilson used to say the devil made him do it. I guess that works too.

None of todays cross dressers blame it on the devil. ;)

Steve_27 said:
I respectfully take issue with #4. Over the years, once in awhile i’ll hear some pundit or whatever refere to the radical element as 5, maybe 10% Thats the biggest # i’ve ever heard. Although, like the rest of the planet, I cant give you an exact #, I know this is absurdly low. I like to explain it this way, so check this out and tell me what you think: Imagine two countries bordering eachother. They are the same size, one is islam and the other whatever you want it to be. Now the “radical” element part of the islamic country does their jihad/terrorist thing and evetually over runs this bordering country. Now they own it and move in. Does the peaceful element of this islamic nation condemn this action and stay on their side of the border in protest cause this action was un-islamic? Hell no. They move rite in with them and just continue living as they were. Just in a new territory. There are the ones actually commiting violence, the ones who openly support those actions in demostrations, (I understand they are the same in many cases) The ones that support it but quietly cause they are not game for blood shed themselves. (every backround has cowards) And finally there are the ones we refer to as “stealthy.” All of these add up to way more then less then 1%, by alot, as far as i’m concerned. Before the Prophet, the middle east was all christians, jews, pagans and bedouins. Fast forward 1300 years and it is 90% muslim. This happen simply because the individuals in this geographical area just happen to find islam much more favorable? C’mon John, really. This was put to any people in its way by the sword. Natural obstacles and more succesfully advanced western societies is all that slowed the savagry. The koran has passages that cannot simply be misinterpreted by 1% of that entier faith. There is outright evil involved and we have to stop being afraid to call it what it is. And also dont like 6 but this is good for now.

completely overlooking the fact that half of terrorists caught in the u.s. were reported by other muslims.

Wow poor old Bill. If Muslims burn the American flag or the Bible he is ok with that. They cannot however burn the koran, he cannot allow that. He apparently became a Muslim with the President. I wonder if Bill is wearing any jewelry now. We know the President isn’t, his watch and ring are being repaired for Ramadon. Strange isn’t it. They will both support the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-quaida. Bill is a hand puppet for Obama.

Steve_27 said:
< Before the Prophet, the middle east was all christians, jews, pagans and bedouins. Fast forward 1300 years and it is 90% muslim. This happen simply because the individuals in this geographical area just happen to find islam much more favorable? C’mon John, really. This was put to any people in its way by the sword. .

“I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind…. I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his
fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted
every obstacle. When I closed the second volume (of the Prophet’s biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of that great life.”
-Mahatma Gandhi

Nationman said:
completely overlooking the fact that half of terrorists caught in the u.s. were reported by other muslims.

Of all I wrote you come back with this irrelevant belly aching? Not that it matters and shame on me for humoring your nonsense, but do you realize that the wanna be terrorist would only be overwhelmingly hanging with and living amongst their own anyway.

Who the hell else is there to report them? And obviously i’m just taking issue with the supposed low guesses like 1, 5 or 10%. Your little foot stomp quip dont do anything to that.

Steve_27 said:
Before the Prophet, the middle east was all christians, jews, pagans and bedouins. Fast forward 1300 years and it is 90% muslim. This happen simply because the individuals in this geographical area just happen to find islam much more favorable? C’mon John, really. This was put to any people in its way by the sword. Natural obstacles and more succesfully advanced western societies is all that slowed the savagry.

P>

also before christianity most of the people in europe were pagans, how do you think they were converted?

Steve_27 said:
Of all I wrote you come back with this irrelevant belly aching? Not that it matters and shame on me for humoring your nonsense, but do you realize that the wanna be terrorist would only be overwhelmingly hanging with and living amongst their own anyway. Who the hell else is there to report them? And obviously i’m just taking issue with the supposed low guesses like 1, 5 or 10%. Your little foot stomp quip dont do anything to that.

you were saying that muslims support there own no matter what, this is completely false when you look at that statistic.

Dsiscokid said:
It’s possible Jones’ action did ’cause’ them to kill people. It’s possible a dog ’caused’ Son of Sam to become a serial killer. It’s possible the song Helter Skelter on the Beatles’ White Album ’caused’ Manson to be a killer. Does everyone have to walk on eggshells all the time in fear of how some nuts may react?(fishchef said “unrelated) How so? They are totally related in the context of the story.

Neither the dog nor the Beatles knew that their were going to be consequences to their actions. The Pastor knew full well.

Steve_27 said:
I respectfully take issue with #4. Over the years, once in awhile i’ll hear some pundit or whatever refere to the radical element as 5, maybe 10% Thats the biggest # i’ve ever heard. Although, like the rest of the planet, I cant give you an exact #, I know this is absurdly low. I like to explain it this way, so check this out and tell me what you think: Imagine two countries bordering eachother. They are the same size, one is islam and the other whatever you want it to be. Now the “radical” element part of the islamic country does their jihad/terrorist thing and evetually over runs this bordering country. Now they own it and move in. Does the peaceful element of this islamic nation condemn this action and stay on their side of the border in protest cause this action was un-islamic? Hell no. They move rite in with them and just continue living as they were. Just in a new territory. There are the ones actually commiting violence, the ones who openly support those actions in demostrations, (I understand they are the same in many cases) The ones that support it but quietly cause they are not game for blood shed themselves. (every backround has cowards) And finally there are the ones we refer to as “stealthy.” All of these add up to way more then less then 1%, by alot, as far as i’m concerned. Before the Prophet, the middle east was all christians, jews, pagans and bedouins. Fast forward 1300 years and it is 90% muslim. This happen simply because the individuals in this geographical area just happen to find islam much more favorable? C’mon John, really. This was put to any people in its way by the sword. Natural obstacles and more succesfully advanced western societies is all that slowed the savagry. The koran has passages that cannot simply be misinterpreted by 1% of that entier faith. There is outright evil involved and we have to stop being afraid to call it what it is. And also dont like 6 but this is good for now.

I appreciate your comment and would like to reply, but I gotta go pick up the grandkids. Real quick, Columbus came to Hispaniola and reported that they were the “happiest people he had ever seen in his life, always laughing, willing to do anything for anybody.” Within a few years, the hundreds of thousands of the happiest people on earth had been tortured, hunted, enslaved and murdered down to a few hundred in the name of converting the savages to Christianity. Muslims don’t have the patent on terrorism. Talk soon.

fishchef said:
Neither the dog nor the Beatles knew that their were going to be consequences to their actions. The Pastor knew full well.

‘knew that there were going…’

Jones is a product of FOX-like intellectualism.

Nationman said:
Roman Catholic religious organizations. Please do some basic research before you post. Thanks

discokid I am afraid the research will show that the protestants hands are no cleaner. Starting with Luther. Ever read European history dude? the 19th century started and ended with war and each side was justified by their ‘god’. The non Catholic sects may have started late but they continued well into the past century,,,,Ever heard of Ireland? oh and if you consider the Bush “pre-emptive” strike and you are an R and C then you may want to check your own hands.

The problem is that you claim a platform. -> Which is a gross misunderstanding of the reformation-enlightenment. You don’t take any part in the R platform formation yet you faithfully suscribe. Check your Bible. The veil was rent and it took Europe 700 years to figure out that they didn’t need a Priest or a Pope to think for them. Right and Left “wing” is an abdication of your God given responsibility to THINK FOR YOURSELF! I believe in God and yet I agree with Ann Rand when she said: “I hate god because people use him to ignore their conscience” . I hate the god of Mob mentality myself.

How do I know you? You are merely an echo of Rush, Oreily, Hannity………. Get a life of your own. Get the courage to wear your own face.

I so rarely (if ever?) agree with O’Reilly. I hate must about everything Fox produces. Almost as much as I hate the reactionary responses that no doubt some part of this post will elicit.

But on this, I think O’Reilly is 100% right. The radicals who murdered and Karzai both share culpability, as does Terry Jones. Should there be any law against burning bibles or korans? No. Free speech should be free.

However, we must continually remind ourselves that the right or ability to do something is not the same as the rightness of an action. Jones is an idiot, a “loon.” And absolutely, some of this blood is on his hands.

You can still agree with that without having to say that the killers who killed should get off scott free.

Come on Bill : YOU and all the PRESS deserve some credit for any madness that proceeds from reported news.

You may have some press liturgical reason that you have to report when a Leader says or does stupid things but this Idiot was nothing more than a Nobody wanting EXACTLY what YOU GAVE HIM.

As Paul Harvey liked to say: “And of course he would want me to mention his name,,,[Silence],”

Learn from your elders Bill. Or just keep making nobody’s somebody for the sake of bodies.