A pretty sane conversation between the two of them.

Cool interview way to go Son of Stone!

I just hope Mr Stone understands what He just did, If He didn’t, 

Surat An-Nisā’ 4:89  depending on the translation says this:
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be
on the same footing (as they). But take not friends from their ranks until they
flee in the way of Allah (from what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades,
seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no
friends or helpers from their ranks.

Sahih InternationalThey wish you would disbelieve as they
disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until
they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them
and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or
helper.

 See that. Same omnipotent power. Just a different guide on how to please him.

I think we’re overreacting with Iran.  I think we need to fight one war at a time. I’m more worried about North Korea. Thats a firecracker thats about to explode.  

Why isn’t O’reilly always this mellow when he’s having a back and forth??   This is how debates on television should always be(fat chance)..   Msnbc and Foxnews are filled with screamers all day and it’s just so off putting..  This was so professional/ civil it caught me off guard… 

You can find some troubling passages in the bible too.  Every religion has some scary parts to it.  

I think you can find justification in the Old Testament to kill the younger Stone based on his conversion to Islam.

impressive young man.

Islam offers a contemplative, reflectve spirituality which many Christian churches and sects lack. These elements are available as worship alternatives in many RC and Episcopal churches and are very popular.

Sean Stone hasn’t seized or slayed anyone. There are several nations in this world that are under Islamic rule which we have good relations with. If we hold that verse against Iran, we have to hold it against Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, Jordan, Lebanon, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan. There are other Muslim nations as well, but I’m sure you get the idea that holding verses from the Qu’ran against Muslim nations isn’t in our best interest right now.

 Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy
gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath
wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing
his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped
them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I
have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it,
and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing
certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt
thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that
wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt
stone them with stones, till they die.

When O’Reilly talks about fanatics he should look in a mirror and see one of the worst.

I agree. I really expected O’Reilly to be an ass but it was a good back and forth with two people actually debating RATIONALLY on an important topic. 

I agree. Have you seen the Gallup poll about the countries the US finds most dangerous? Rather amazing what the media drum-beat can do to ignorant people. 

Exactly what “Christian Churches” are you talking about? “Contemplative” and “reflective spirituality” have their very roots in the monasticism of the Orthodox and Coptic Churches. The Orthodox Church dates back to pentecost. Islamic spiritualism and philosophy borrow heavily from the writings of St. Augustine, St. John Chrysostom. Islamic architecture and art can thank Constantinople and the Byzantines, and Justinian’s Hagia Sophia.

Do you have a clue about history prior 15th century? How can your even utter such a thing? Byzantine Greeks bequeathed unto Mohammed the knowledge of monotheism and literacy in general. 

Please think beyond your Protestant and Roman Catholic bubble circa the Renaissance and the “Enlightenment.”

 http://thereligionofpeace.com/ Making a difference one body at a time.

Well that was about the most worthless interview i have ever seen.

Anyways: Liberals why is my gas almost $4 a gallon, and what do you plan on doing about it?

 “Let there be no compulsion in religion.  Truth has been made
clear from error.  Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has
grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks.  And God hears and
knows all things.” (Quran 2:256)

Listen, I’m a Christian but misrepresenting any faith is dangerous. It results in misunderstanding, violence, and war. The passages you quoted were to a specific people during a specific time, much like the Israelites were  instructed to destroy entire cities in the Old Testament. “Let there be no compulsion in religion” is also pretty clear.

I’m not one of those people that proclaim that every religion is equal and that there are no extremists that we need to protect ourselves from. But to selectively take out passages of the Quran to try to show that all true Muslims want to kill you is incorrect and reinforces an ignorance many Americans have about Islam today.

Another useful idiot.

I can understand that point, but can’t one adhere to some of these spiritual elements philosophically, as a free thinker, without embracing the whole religion?

He’s well spoken, seems to be relatively open minded and reasonable, but lost me with the conversion thing.

Or the White House.

Relativism is great isn’t it?

Excuse Me, But as Christians we are of the New Testament, Or didn’t You know that?

Jesus full filled the Old Laws, and Satisfied the Old Covenant Laws, and Opened a New Covenant between Man and God.

The Old Testament is only useful as a study of the prophecies of the coming of Jesus, The old Torah Laws are not binding on Christians.

There’s a New Testament too. Remember when Jesus beheaded that one dude? Me neither.

But then what have you just done? Taken a passage out of the Quran to show that Muslims are not dangerous?

The Quran is not the Bible, It is binding on Muslims, There is no new Covenant in the Quran, only The Quran.

There is no Radical Islam, There is no Reformist Islam, There is no Protestant Islam……There Is Only Islam, and Mohammed is the Prophet and the Qiran is the revealed word through the Prophet.

And that word was quoted as accurately as the translation allows.

Kitman/Taqiyya (taqqiya):

As Muslims are instructed by the eminent Islamic scholar Imam Abu Hammid Ghazali (Al-Ghazali), who is one of the most famous and respected Muslim theologians of all time:

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible.” (The Reliance of the Traveler, sec r8.2, pg 745)

Again as a Christian, I am of the New Testament, The Laws of the Old Testament were fulfilled by Jesus, and a New Covenant was instituted between God and Man,

Only those trying to obfuscate the facts would intentionally confuse Old Testament Law with New Testament Grace.

As a Christian, I am not bound to Old Testament Law.

But are they in practiced today? As is demonstrated by acts of Jihad daily in the world today?

Old Testament, vs: New Testament, the Old Covenant Jewish Torah vs: The New Covenant of the New Testament.

Give some context. Who is the “they” this verse is referring to that wish the believers in G’d should reject faith as they do? Who is the “they” the believer in G’d is being made aware of not to befriend them from their ranks?

They answer is in the previous verse that you selectively omitted so you can have spin. G’d doesn’t not guide the person who reads the qur’an with the right understanding who is insincere.

Here is the context that lets you know who is the “they”.

4:88 Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way. 

Its the “HYPOCRITES” that’s who the “they” is that the verse is referring to. I am quite sure you wouldn’t want to have much to do with a hypocrite too in your life if you were to ever to be deceived by one. That’s just natural and common sense. Yes, Islam is a natural way of life that agrees with your nature, as long as you are being true to your original nature and are not trying to spin everything for some political agenda.

It is late, and there is so much obfuscation in your post, and it is late and I don’t have the patience deal with this kind of dissimulation tonight.

 You know nothing about islam.

 the fake emperor is nothing but a bomb throwing troll.

 mofukker is a terrorist defender from way back

 The old Torah Laws are not binding on Christians.

Whoopie.

No 10 commandments?

What did the New testament have to say about gays?

when was the last time a Christian nation had people looking to do that?   Then compare that to an Islamic nation in modern times.

Thanks for sharing that thought.

You really don’t know much about Islam. Much like Christianity there are different sects and within those different sects there are different groups as well. If all Muslims were the same, we would be fighting Muslims in America because there are close to 2 million Muslims in America right now. You’re basically perpetuating ignorance & bigotry.

Then why the problem with same sex marriage and birth control?

You should consider watching more often. He’s often less brusque to new guests than talking heads who come on to spew the talking points of whatever group they are  speaking for.  Most professional talking heads will stay on message no matter what the question is, so to get useful information in a short segment O’Reilly needs to try to push them off the talking points.  A guest who is only speaking for themselves is more likely to say something unique so he’s generally less aggressive with them unless the conversation is moving too slowly or they say something crazy.

Men also get an easy out if sick of their wives.  You also get virgins, cookies and ice cream when you die.  Oh the joy!

He’s a 27 year old kid who wanted attention.  His Father is a Jew.  lol

Makes no sense to anyone and I think O’Reilly realized the kid was light on his feet so he was kind to him.  

Not unless the young Stone is a Jew.

.” When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible.” (The Reliance of the Traveler, sec r8.2, pg 745) ”

Goodness knows, you’re an adherent to this.

I hope Iran HAS nuclear weapons with which to defend itself if it is attacked by a rabid little nation with no fixed borders or constitution.  Iran is alleged to have purchased tactical nukes from the post Soviet arms bazaars in Ukraine in 92-93.  Whether the plutonium triggers on those weapons have been maintained all this time is another question.

The untold story is that the Rothschild holdings dominate the nuclear fuel rod market and  they want to preserve their monopoly of that industry.  Iran is getting into the nuclear fuel rod business.  Free enterprise.  Competition.

Why is Iran the enemy of the US? No one ever asks that question. Having oil doesn’t count.

Yes, run them over with tanks, here is some tax dollars to help pay for the tanks.

Its unfair to lump FOX like that, they may rant about Obamas crazy policies, but they will not shout down anyone trying to make a point.

Obama is at war with the USA by means of deception, and there is not a lie big enough that he cant find a million people to repeat it as gospel at the top of their lungs.

But is it true ,,that most muslim men are GAY,with a preference for young boys???

 If I wanted to hear their talking points, I could turn on state TV.

Well, As a liberal I’m in favor of nationalizing Oil Companies and having the government set the price instead of relying on capitalism and the market place.  

I don’t disagree with your comments, but in wide swaths of America the Eastern Church is almost invisible.

good debate. 

he’s a good looking kid, too bad he’s a tool. 

Non Sequitur

You wish, And again daily, even in the Ummah, The community of believers, They have Honor Murders of their children, Suicide Bombings of their religious services, pilgrimages, mosques, burials……

The Ummah in America has provided it’s fair share of terrorist to the Jihad, suicide bombers to Iraq, and how about the Reuters poll that show 25% support for suicide bombing by those Muslims in America? We again just had a Muslim Suicide Bomber on His way to Washington on Jihad to gain His Virgins in Paradise.

Kitman/Taqiyya (taqqiya) Lying for Islam. Many wrongly claim it is only practiced within Shia Islam. There are in fact several verses in the Qur’an which condone lying and deception, and classical and contemporary Sunni scholars have validated its place within main-stream Islam.

You know, If Your going to debate religion, At least learn what your going to debate about.

In the 10 were does it Condone Murder?

Now You are confusing the Catholic with the Protestant, and Birth Control with Abortion, and Marriage by definition is between a Man and a Woman.

This insistence that unless Gays have the right to marriage they don’t have equal rights is a red herring, Civil Unions provide all the same protections and rights to gays as a Marriage.

The idea that Marriage can be between two men or two women is a modern construct for political purpose and advantage.

 ”widdlebaby” is just a troll..best to ignore him..he’s posting under several accounts

Now, The “They” You are referring to is a direct quote from the Quran, and the Quran, Mohammed, and Allah in His revealed word through the Prophet instructs that “THEY” be murdered for their apostasy.

Under the protestant religion, and the Teachings of Jesus, The only option for Me and Believers is to pray for the enlightenment of the Individual, The Offer of Salvation through Grace is ordered to be freely accepted or rejected, and no penalty is proscribed.

It would be nice if He had a clue about religion if He is going to troll.

But then He wouldn’t be a troll.

Ah yes, Islam.  A wonderful place to celebrate violence and misogyny.  Also, a good place to get a head. 

this young man appears to be a rich kid with nothing better to do than declare himself a mooslim.  who cares?

In the Bible it has ideas about slaying the enemy. If you are a Protestant Christian you must acknowledge this. Did not Cain slay Abel? Did not David slay Goliath? Now it seems you are following in their footsteps by slaying scriptures (the word of G’d) with your twisting the words out of their contexts. 

So there you have it, there are many forms or ways to slay something. But of course you already know that because you are operating on a spiritual level and not a physical level?

Again, You fail to recognize the Difference between the Old Testament, The Old Covenant, and the New Testament and New Covenant, You obfuscate the two for Your the benefit of Your argument, when they have nothing to do with each other.

The only acceptable reason that Christians use the Old Testament is in study of the Prophecies foretelling the birth of the Savior, Jesus Christ, Christians are Not Jews, We are of the New Covenant.

You’re the one claiming the OT means nothing to you. Opposition today marriage & abortion is justified by the OT not the NT.

I suggest you read that poll again. It says 80% of Muslims in America say suicide bombing is NEVER justified while 20% say it is SOMETIMES justified. It doesn’t say that 25% of Muslims support suicide bombings. Also, even if it did say 25% of Muslims in America supported suicide bombings it still discredits your point because according to you all Muslims are the same.

Why would you care if the definition of marriage changes? Ae you that hard up on playing semantics?

No, Your the one playing semantics.

And where did I say the Old testament meant nothing to me? I believe I made the statement that the Old Testament is used in the study of the Prophecies foretelling the birth of the Savior, Jesus Christ, Christians

Now, Where is gay marriage & abortion justified in the New Testament? We are commanded to pray for those who sin, Not murder them.

And where in the New Testament is the Murder of the Unborn and Homosexuals condoned?

OT classifies homosexuality & murder as sins. Thru Christ we gain forgiveness from these sins. If we still use OT standards to condemn people for their sins then Christ died for nothing.

How am I playing semantics when you’re the one who wants to deny people equal rights based on a definition which could easily be changed or altered.

He never said that the 10 commandments condone murder.

I don’t think he’s a tool. I think it’s admirable that he’s willing to start a civil dialogue about the issue when the majority of rhetoric regarding the issue is tough talk. Maybe the Iranians aren’t so much different from the rest of us & maybe we could find some sort of common ground that could establish some sort of diplomatic relationship between our 2 nations. I believe that the whole world could benefit from this.

From his perspective, what we refer to as God & what they refer to as Allah are the same thing. Therefore, from his perspective it wasn’t a conversion because he still believes in the same God.

O”Reilly is a goof.  He has been trying to get everyone to vote for Romney.  Look how that is working out.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100138018/mitt-romney-suffers-from-the-weirdo-factor/

We have the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Last or Final Testament. The Qur’an is the Last Testament (using your language). Now there is some symbolisms with these terminologies that will give you a clear perception that these Testaments are not to be seen separate, and their are many others concepts within the Bible itself to demonstrate the coming together of 2 principles working together as one. Since I know you are not a seeker of understanding and you have a fixed mind that speaks only from a narrow framework and view of the Oneness G’d, the Oneness of Creation and the Oneness of Mankind I will not attempt to share with you the many insights I could benefit you with. I will only make one or two points to give you the picture.

First what the Qur’an says of itself:

Holy Qur’an
10:37 This Qur’an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book – wherein there is no doubt – from the Lord of the worlds.

1) The Qur’an is a continuation of the Torah and the Gospel and of all revealed scriptures that came before it. It comes to confirm the truth in them, and take out what was not true, it comes to give explanation of what went before and to complete what went before.

2) The Prophet is the one mention or prophesied in both the Torah and Gospel. There are many prophecies in the Old and New Testament pointing to Prophet Muhammed.

Holy Qur’an
7:157 ”Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.”

3) As for the symbolism in the ter  Bible that gives you a clue to what its really talking about. Bi=2 and Ble=balls (testes), from that we get “testament”. The testes is where the “semen” comes from. As you know they have the “seminaries”. These testicles or testes works together, not separate. You know in the old world in Europe they say I swear by your balls and they were lying they would crush them. This is where we get the Gavel from in the court system that they use to hit on the bench to symbolize this same idea.

There is much more I can elaborate on to make connections in the language but I know you can’t appreciate it because you are not guided by the spirit of G’d in your comments. I will let you chew on that for awhile. I am not talking about chewing literally with your teeth but with your intellect. I have to say that because you are a literalist when you read scripture.

He’s not just a convert, he’s also trying to establish dialogue while the war hawks are saber rattling. I wish there were more people in leadership positions in Iran & America that were willing & capable of having this sort of dialogue. No tough talk, no talking points, no attacks on each others culture. Instead we should have an understanding for each others cultures & be willing to share ideas with each other.

According to Sean Stone there are other appeals to the religion. Perhaps we should open our minds to other cultures instead of just focusing on their worst aspects.

 That’s a lovely sentiment, but naive.  If you look at how the Iranian regime has acted since it’s overthrow of the Shah, you’d see there is – at a minimum – good reason to doubt their sincerity.

They say the same thing about us. We clearly have too much distrust in each other & Sean Stone appears to be building a bridge. I think it’s an admirable endeavor.

 Bill O’Reilly isn’t the issue of this thread but then again, so many people have trouble keeping on topic when they have a chance to name call.

The issue is Sean Stone. From the interview it is obvious that Sean Stone is either an attention seeking rich kid or he has some serious mental problems. I’m leaning towards the mental problems. Calling President Tom “misunderstood” is ridiculous and only someone with a serious mental deficiency could try and claim that. To further go on and state that he is fine with Iran having nukes just solidifies that fact.

I wouldn’t be a bit surprised that we hear about this kid winding up dead in pretty short order because of his issues getting him in over his head!

interesting topic
 

 interesting

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The Quran is a plagiarism, Self justification by Mohammed to murder His enemies.

Yet again you have just proven Your the one to play at semantics, You are the One who is changing and altering the Definition of Marriage to suit Your political purpose and agenda.

World English Dictionary
marriage (ˈmærɪdʒ)

— n
1. the state or relationship of being husband and wife
2. a. the legal union or contract made by a man and woman to live as husband and wife

bobfrommosinee writes:  ”The Quran is a plagiarism, Self justification by Mohammed to murder His enemies.”Now you really don’t make any sense here. You must really think about what you are saying. Basically, you are saying that the Qur’an was plagiarized taking from the Bible. Correct? So if Mohammed had to plagiarized taking scriptures from the Bible to have Self justification to murder His enemies then you are saying the Bible is the culprit, that the Bible gets the CREDIT from Mohammed having the mentality to Murder his enemies.I like to know what you do to your enemies? For what I see you are following Christ example by attacking your enemies (Muslims) scriptures at every turn of the road. You slander your enemies. But to be truthful you are really a contradiction to Christ example in how you deal with your enemies. I don’t see Christ love coming from you that we all maybe One.  I guess you are following that Jesus in the New Testament that took up a SWORD who did not come of Peace but to slay the wicked.Like

The Bible has been the main tool of war. Let any historian study history and study the Bible and you will see that the main instrument of war, the major tool of war has been the Bible.

Revelation 19:11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Context, Context, Your quotes of scriptures are Out of Context and not worth the band width.

Islam was spread by Mohammed by the Sword from the first, Mohamed divided the World into two houses, Islam;

Dar’l Islam (House of Peace)
Arabic term used to refer to lands that are under the rule of Muslim governments.

And those He need justification to attack;

Dar’l Harb (House of War)
An Islamic term used for countries which are not under Islamic rule.

Mohammed created many subterfuges to carry out the spread of Islam, from Medina and From false truces;

Hudna
In essence, this is religious license to renege on ones word, and to regroup, rearm, and reorganize to attack when ones enemy is lulled into thinking that one will be honest and fulfill one’s side of a truce. This is tactic has been used over and over in Islam’s history

To Religious justification for lying and hypocrisy.

Kitman
Similar to Taqqiya but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with ―mental reservation‖justifying the omission of the rest.

Taqiyya (taqqiya)
Lying for Islam. Many wrongly claim it is only practiced within Shia Islam. There are in fact several verses in the Qur’an which condone lying and deception, and classical and contemporary Sunni scholars have validated its place within main-stream Islam.

Jihad
Jihad literally means ‘to strive’ or ‘to exert to the utmost.’ In islamic parlance it signifies all forms of striving, including armed struggle, aimed at making the Word of Allah prevail.

Makr
Signifies a secret strategy of which the victim has no inkling until the decisive blow is struck. Until then, the victim is under the illusion that everything is in good order. See Qur’an, Aali-Imran (3:54).

bobfrommosinee writes: “The Quran is a plagiarism, Self justification by Mohammed to murder His enemies.”

Yes, Islam is a compilation of Torah/Tanakh, the New Testament, Zoroastrianism, Hindu Vedas, With Mohammed replacing Jesus, Moses, Zarathustra, and Veda Vyasa, as the center of focus as the prophet of Islam;

Regarding the Torah this plagiarism is especially troubling as al Qu’ran takes most of the stories ascribed as occurring between Abraham and Isaac and replaces Isaac with Ishmael, thus undercutting the foundation of both Judaism and Christianity.

Mohammed change the story of Abraham offering of Isaac to Abraham offering Ishmael in sacrifice etc and in so doing Muhammad replace/stole the sacred literature of one people (the Jews and Christians) as his own.

Muhammad Based on this plagiarism, command Muslims to kill the Jews and Christians who refuse to accept plagiarised Islam.

In no other religion has this ever done, Christians use and accept the Hebrew scriptures but do not plagiarize nor alter them.

Yeah, I’m playing semantics while you’re basing the technicalities of a definition for your argument.

bobfrommosine: wrote “Context, Context, Your quotes of scriptures are Out of Context and not worth the band width.”
Cry baby whining about context.  You quote qur’an out of context without a second thought and now you want someone to quote bible in context. Practice what you are crying about. That’s what I mean you are not guided by the spirit of G’d in your comments. G’d knows the truth and if He was guiding you He will not allow your spirit to spew out the vile things you say about Qur’an and Muhammed that any descent, honest and G’d conscious person knows its not true.

You can’t preach what you believe in and let it stand up on its own merit. Because you are not standing upon anything sound and righteous. So you resort to attacking others beliefs as if you are an authority on their beliefs hoping it will make your beliefs look correct. What a poor, sad, pitiful, despicable and unhappy creature you are. You are a poor excuse for someone who says they believe in G’d.

Muhammed taught that G’d is Good and that G’d only accepts what is Good. Your methods and approach are not good and they are not designed to bring understanding to the mind and unity among the servants of G’d upon this earth wherever they are and whatever label they goes by. Therefore, G’d does not accept your dogmatism and demagoguery. It is the satan that seeks to separate things from their source and to divide. Its obvious you have taken on the strategy of the satan.

Lastly, our Prophet taught that there is a piece of flesh in the body if it is good the whole body is good and if it is bad the whole body is bad; he said that piece of flesh is the HEART.

Check out your Heart because is very tainted with corruption. You have a selfish self-interest. You don’t have a healthy self-interest.

The Bible has been the main tool of war. Let any historian study history and study the Bible and you will see that the main instrument of war, the major tool of war has been the Bible.

Revelation 19:11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Jesus of the Bible:

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Luke 12:51
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Luke 22:36 He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Can you see yourself? You are not about peace and you are not about unity. You take up the sword. Your tongue is your sword and all you are doing is using your tongue to cut up and divide what should be together.

Muhammed predicted that there is coming a day when Christ Jesus and himself will be seen together as ONE.

Again, cherry picked quotes out of the Scriptures do not prove a thing, With out the context of that those passages are set in.

And again, Muhammed was a plagiarist.

Now lets take one of Your Quote of Luke 22 in context:

14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.

15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
……………

……35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Now the first thing Jesus is telling the Disciples that He is not going to be with them much longer and they will need to care for themselves, That is clearly seen through out the Passover feast, Second, Jesus was to be arrested, to fulfill the scriptures and charged as a transgressor, so the Scriptures could be fulfilled.

Defend themselves, on the road, not to wage a war of conversion.

Again cherry picking, and Revelations is about the end times, The return of Jesus, and the events that will happen in the future at the end of the world.

The Quran was a justification for Mohammed to wage War, first against His personal enemies in Mecca, Then to spread Islam across Arabia.

Jesus in the New Testament never gave leave to the Church to spread by the Sword, For all Your cherry picking, You cannot show a direct quote of Jesus giving permission to do so, or even a indrect quote.

No, Not technicalities, definition.

(bobfrommosine: wrote “Context, Context, Your quotes of scriptures are Out of Context and not worth the band width.”
Cry baby whining about context.)

I love your admission that you can’t debate in context.

The Bible has been the main tool of war. Let any historian study history and study the Bible and you will see that the main instrument of war, the major tool of war has been the Bible.Revelation 19:11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Non Sequitur, And? Your proof? Repeating yourself, again a sign of the fact that You cannot debate in context, The Context of Revelations is End Times, The Armageddon, Future events, not Past History.

The little loser needs a good scrub.