Dyson is also vicious, but he’s not narrow.

Dyson is a hatful man.

Yeah, the Constitution has been hi-jacked by loony-lefty limp-wristed, latte-sipping, loud-mouthed liberals.

Like Dyson, I was under the impression that only the TeaBaggers knew the real meaning of the Constitution.

Lars Svensen said:
Yeah, the Constitution has been hi-jacked by loony-lefty limp-wristed, latte-sipping, loud-mouthed liberals.

I’m mot sure the term “hi-jacked” is what Liberals have done to the Constitution. The Left claims to “love” the Constitution while ignoring it, perverting it, and mis-quoting it all the while.

A “flexible” Constitution is no Constitution at all. It was purposely created as very difficult to change, and it has only been altered 17 times throughout history…………………….the first 10 amendments only being redundant to the original text. It provides the framework necessary to insure freedom and growth, as long as it is upheld and enforced against those who would prefer it’s retirement as an obstacle to the Leftist mission of oppression and statism. Liberals must claim it “rubbery so as to distort it to conform to their anti-*****can agenda.

Liberals show nothing but contempt for this country and its founders. It’s sad.

The people with a true understanding of the constitution are the people who carry pocket editions of it with them to rallies, and wave it around. They are also the people most likely NOT able to answer any questions regarding U.S. history. They are the “non-thinkers” as Roger Ailes likes to call them.

Lars Svensen said:
Yeah, the Constitution has been hi-jacked by loony-lefty limp-wristed, latte-sipping, loud-mouthed liberals.

Well of course the “Teadiots” are the first to jump on the responses here. The people high-jacking the constitution is this court and their give aways to corporations. Lars do you really want corporations to be able to spend annonimously and without limits? Do you realy want that? If you do you are a true “Teadiot.” This courst is steadily eroding away your constutional protections against police powers and surveilance. It’s not the liberal members of the court doing it. It is your good buddies placed on there by lying Republicans that are rewriting the constituion. What you need to fear you red neck Jack Daniel swigging uneducated moron is BIG CORPORATIONS. You have bought their line of bull crap, hook line and sinker. They feed you what you think you want to hear and have their hands in your wallet laughing at you all the way to the bank – which they own as well!!! The Robert’s court is one of the most activist courts in history. They are looking out for the rights of big business. They are not looking out for small busness people or working class individuals like yourself.

Einstein said infinity is a circle. Which means Dyson is so far left, he’s actually approaching the right.

Dyson is an intellectual fraud of the worst kind, he has tenure.

AIO_7 said:
Like Dyson, I was under the impression that only the TeaBaggers knew the real meaning of the Constitution.

You just proved your own point ….Moron.

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
Liberals show nothing but contempt for this country and its founders. It’s sad.

Hey Lib Tor… I see you are back again to spout your daily does of ignorance to the rest of us. I was wondering where your degree in Political Science is from? You do have a degree, correct? I truly love your fact based quote above.. It is so logical. Jeeze, why don’t you go take some basic constitutional law course somewhere so you at least have a starting point to base your lunacy from.

Republicans Are Liars said:
Well of course the “Teadiots” are the first to jump on the responses here. The people high-jacking the constitution is this court and their give aways to corporations. Lars do you really want corporations to be able to spend annonimously and without limits? Do you realy want that? If you do you are a true “Teadiot.” This courst is steadily eroding away your constutional protections against police powers and surveilance. It’s not the liberal members of the court doing it. It is your good buddies placed on there by lying Republicans that are rewriting the constituion. What you need to fear you red neck Jack Daniel swigging uneducated moron is BIG CORPORATIONS. You have bought their line of bull crap, hook line and sinker. They feed you what you think you want to hear and have their hands in your wallet laughing at you all the way to the bank – which they own as well!!! The Robert’s court is one of the most activist courts in history. They are looking out for the rights of big business. They are not looking out for small busness people or working class individuals like yourself.

Another liberal who cannot make a comment without attempting to degrade people with a differing view. You realize that as soon as you use a derogatory term for a group you don’t agree with – they’ve won and you’ve lost?

If you cannot argue on the merits or shortcomings of something and have to resort to misnaming a group of people than you are a narrow minded individual with no stance.

To make a blanket statement and throw in nonsense about red necks, Jack Daniel, uneducated etc is surely a sign that you haven’t got anything else to argue your point.

p.s. If they’re so uneducated, how did all this get by you, you brilliant wonder you? lol

Republicans Are Liars said:
Hey Lib Tor… I see you are back again to spout your daily does of ignorance to the rest of us. I was wondering where your degree in Political Science is from? You do have a degree, correct? I truly love your fact based quote above.. It is so logical. Jeeze, why don’t you go take some basic constitutional law course somewhere so you at least have a starting point to base your lunacy from.

I notice you didn’t even bother to deny that what I said is true. Why? Because it’s true and libs constantly prove it.

Wow. Talk about completely out of context.

In that roundtable, Dyson AGREED with George Will on many things. This headline/article makes it sounds like he’s engaging in total partisanship.

The roundtable, as the column acknowledges was actually quite intelligent and low red-meat partisanship.

The reality is that the founders had differing views on the role of the government….and that is at the root of our two-party system today.

The Constitution represents a compromise between those sides. Some wanted a strong central government, others wanted a weak central government.

The result was a compromise.

Those who claim that the Founders were in agreement on that are mistaken.

The constitution was a document that left out women and blacks.

Those are the facts.

Dyson was the antithesis of G Will and GW hardly argued for original intent
Take look at the enlightened former slave Fredrik Douglas.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=1128

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
I notice you didn’t even bother to deny that what I said is true. Why? Because it’s true and libs constantly prove it.

They can’t argue facts…Never have and never will. Facts just confuse them. But they don’t care about the facts anyway. Penny a post.

Constitution ‘Hijacked By People With Narrow, Vicious Visions’….

Namely Constitutionalists. How dare they actually read what’s written in the document instead of inserting their own opinions!

possibly said:
The constitution was a document that left out women and blacks.

Those are the facts.

Umm amendments to the constitution are part of the constitution.
The original intent was to amend the constitution to address such issues.
The truth is the constitutions contains the 13th and 19th amendments so your stamen is patently false.

The constitution is not a sacred document anymore. It is a political weapon which is indeed hijacked by political figures for their own selfish, political aims. Sarah Palin rode around in a bus emblazoned with the Constitution. Does anybody for a second think that Sarah Palin has a deep understanding of the constitution? Yeah sure.

G Will did address the fact that with the inception of the Progressives under W Willson the constitution has been under assault. Our constitution was created to prevent tyranny and the Progressives are imposing terrany.

WillP said:
The constitution is not a sacred document anymore. It is a political weapon which is indeed hijacked by political figures for their own selfish, political aims. Sarah Palin rode around in a bus emblazoned with the Constitution. Does anybody for a second think that Sarah Palin has a deep understanding of the constitution? Yeah sure.

I do.

How can you be objective when you give a verdict like that of Mr. Will. To me this is shameful.

seek said:
Another liberal who cannot make a comment without attempting to degrade people with a differing view. You realize that as soon as you use a derogatory term for a group you don’t agree with – they’ve won and you’ve lost? If you cannot argue on the merits or shortcomings of something and have to resort to misnaming a group of people than you are a narrow minded individual with no stance. To make a blanket statement and throw in nonsense about red necks, Jack Daniel, uneducated etc is surely a sign that you haven’t got anything else to argue your point. p.s. If they’re so uneducated, how did all this get by you, you brilliant wonder you? lol

Hey Seek… You are so right! Conservatives are the brightest people in the country. This is why we attacked a country (Iraq) that had never harmed us in any way on trumped up charges that were proven wrong. Those brilliant, fun loving conservatives destroyed our banking system with deregulation. There unfettered eloquence has allowed big business to run roughshod over small business and the working class. There humanity and caring is at the forefront as tens of thousands of individuals die each year for lack of health care. While their compassion shines through as others have their homes taken away from not being able to pay health related bills. Yes I am truly ashamed that I sullied anyone’s sensibilities of honest debate by denigrating the fact that uneducated, clueless individuals who cling to their religion and guns vote these people into office time and time again. (Opps, there I did it again.) Now their brilliance is about to destroy the economy a second time by forcing massive government cuts that will be taking billions and billions of dollars out of the economy when we need that money being spent and creating jobs. You are right a portion of the conservative movement are incredibly smart. Unfortunately, they combine that with greed. What makes them so bright is they are able to shape public opinion, to make wonderfully smart people like yourself buy into voting them into office where they work against YOUR OWN SELF-INTEREST. Wake up Seek. You and your kind are the reason this country is in the crapper. You keep backing the wrong horse. But, you are right conservatives would never disparage anyone like calling President Obama a D*&^! You’re pathetic.

Alice67 said:
You must have a real problem with this person then:

seek says:
July 2, 2011 at 2:15 pm (Quote)
Thumb up 5 Thumb down 1

You know what – don’t give a flying fig what you find “unsettling”. Your entire post is nonsense. You and Alice – two freaking haters who claim you never watch Fox, don’t like Fox, Fox lies blah blah and you are just freaking turning into a pretzel about memos from 40 years ago. Do you think that is a sign of a sane person?
Me – not so much.

Let us worry about Fox and you get some beauty sleep. Lord knows you’ve been up all night stewing over this unbelievably significant event! lol

Don’t go casting stones Alice. You repeatedly claimed;
I Googled Santorum and that is what came up first. Using your argument that means that Google agrees that Santorum is the frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex.

For 1 we all know that’s Maddow not you, for 2 it’s a rather disgusting thing to author on this board.

Let seek speak, he is cogent and to the point, you don’t support Republicans Are Liars bigotry and attack seek who directly called him out on it. You are a hypocrite.

early film of dyson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izpa9D7c77U

Republicans Are Liars, how can it be both ways? Republicans are stupid, yet they’re the only ones who ever get rich and the only ones in control of giant corporations. If Democrats are smarter, doesn’t seem like they’d also be heading corporations? And if Republican fat cats are controlling the economy, why would they want to destroy it? It really can’t be both ways, yet the left keeps insisting it can.

Liberal Tormentor - tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972 said:
I notice you didn’t even bother to deny that what I said is true. Why? Because it’s true and libs constantly prove it.

Lib Tor – You didn’t say anything. You threw out an opinion that has no factal basis what so ever. How can one argue the fact that you are clueless. You prove that every time you post something.

My God!! There are Morons here..But your first day here, you make it to the top. Congrats. We’ll figure out what your ‘old’ name was later…(not that I care). Not only are you a moron…But you’d be a Moron to a Moron.
I don’t know whats worse…Morons that just post to penny a post…or Morons that ACTUALLY believe their own sh*t for a penny a post.

Dyson says the Constitution is the same as the Bible and should be interpreted. He can’t even distinguish between reason and belief. An narrow closed mind.

I was fascinated that George Will, when faced with arguments from Michael Eric Dyson, Christianne Amanpour (decidely not lacking in bias, but willing to listen), Richard Stengel, and Jill Lepore, was more than able to not only hold his own and but also to articulate a brilliant defense of the Constitution’s relevance today. Will was outnumbered four to one, but he fended off all of their irrelevant arguments.

Dyson’s favorite founding father was predictable, Thomas Jefferson, because of his “relationship” with Sally Hemmings- honestly, that he actually teaches college students is a travesty. Jill Lepore’s favorite “founding father” was Benjamin Franklin’s sister- who mentioned issues of “social justice” in her letters to her brother! Apparently, Professor Lepore doesn’t believe in genders, like the Swedish kindergarten. (Why is it I doubt that she will be excoriated for calling Ben Franklin’s sister a founding father, unlike Michelle Bachmann for calling John Quincy Adams a founder? And, Lepore TEACHES at Harvard!)

Republicans Are Liars said:
Hey Seek… You are so right! Conservatives are the brightest people in the country. This is why we attacked a country (Iraq) that had never harmed us in any way on trumped up charges that were proven wrong. Those brilliant, fun loving conservatives destroyed our banking system with deregulation. There unfettered eloquence has allowed big business to run roughshod over small business and the working class. There humanity and caring is at the forefront as tens of thousands of individuals die each year for lack of health care. While their compassion shines through as others have their homes taken away from not being able to pay health related bills. Yes I am truly ashamed that I sullied anyone’s sensibilities of honest debate by denigrating the fact that uneducated, clueless individuals who cling to their religion and guns vote these people into office time and time again. (Opps, there I did it again.) Now their brilliance is about to destroy the economy a second time by forcing massive government cuts that will be taking billions and billions of dollars out of the economy when we need that money being spent and creating jobs. You are right a portion of the conservative movement are incredibly smart. Unfortunately, they combine that with greed. What makes them so bright is they are able to shape public opinion, to make wonderfully smart people like yourself buy into voting them into office where they work against YOUR OWN SELF-INTEREST. Wake up Seek. You and your kind are the reason this country is in the crapper. You keep backing the wrong horse. But, you are right conservatives would never disparage anyone like calling President Obama a D*&^! You’re pathetic.

Paul G said:
My God!! There are Morons here..But your first day here, you make it to the top. Congrats. We’ll figure out what your ‘old’ name was later…(not that I care). Not only are you a moron…But you’d be a Moron to a Moron.
I don’t know whats worse…Morons that just post to penny a post…or Morons that ACTUALLY believe their own sh*t for a penny a post.

Alice67 said:
In response to your ludicrous statement that Google agreed with you. You still don’t seem to understand how Google works.

yeah tell us how it works old lady…
i bet your vcr still flashes 12:00

Seek is actually a senior executive at a multinational corporation who use corporate jets thrice weekly. Truth be told. That’s why he is a committed Republican. He shared this information one time on the board.

Alice67 said:
Most Democrats don’t use greed and power as the primary motivating force for what they do.

you should quit freebasing your geritol…

So Republicans are stupid, yet they’re the only ones who ever become successful enough to head giant corporations. And the left keeps tossing this out there, figuring that no one should ever question the logic of it.

Perdido said:
Republicans Are Liars, how can it be both ways? Republicans are stupid, yet they’re the only ones who ever get rich and the only ones in control of giant corporations. If Democrats are smarter, doesn’t seem like they’d also be heading corporations? And if Republican fat cats are controlling the economy, why would they want to destroy it? It really can’t be both ways, yet the left keeps insisting it can.

Ask yourself these questions, “Why is there the biggest gap between the rich and the poor there has ever been in the history of the country?” Ask yourself, “Why has the top 2% of Americans had their incomes increase 237% in the last 30 years while everyone else’s incomes remain flat?” There are smart Republicans. They are smart enough to take your money from you and make you feel like they are trying to help you all it the same time. This is where the dichotomy is between smart Republicans and let’s say the “less astute” followers of said party. The Republican Party has sold you a bill of goods that will keep you and your offspring in the poor house for generations unless YOU come to your senses and understand that their agenda is not in YOUR best financial interest. For instance these people could careless about the abortion debate. They figure this is an area they can give to the masses to make them vote for Republicans. Guns, these people don’t want to see YOU with an assault rifle in your hands, but they know they can afford to live in gated communities where they will be protected from the gun toting crowd so they give it to you to be on their team. Remember their goal is to keep BIG BANKING – BIG PHARMACUTICALS – BIG INSURANCE – BIG OIL – BIG MILITARY CONTRACTORS fat and happy. Guns and the abortion fight are you opiates they readily give to you for free so they can keep stuffing their corporate coffers. AND don’t think I am socialist or communist I own businesses and employ a ton of people. How many of you people posting on here own a business who are so proud of their right wing ideology.

Davo said:
I’m mot sure the term “hi-jacked” is what Liberals have done to the Constitution. The Left claims to “love” the Constitution while ignoring it, perverting it, and mis-quoting it all the while.

Same with the right and every other political party.

Tea Party, like every other conservative movement that has come before it is a mainstream monster dressed as a fringe group and when it gains power, it collaborates with the other party and runs against the constitution.

Isn’t the Patriot Act unconstitutional since it allows search and seizure without warrants (by the FBI, DEA ITF etc) and wiretaps(now ruled unconstitutional), limits our privacy, suspension of Habeas Corpus, Allows President to suspend due process for certain citizens.. Yet

“Only 26 Republicans voted against the bill, and there are 52 members of the Republican Tea Party Caucus, whose chairperson, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn) voted for reauthorization along with most of the rest of her caucus. As Slate’s Dave Weigel points out, only eight of the 26 were Republican freshmen elected last November. One hundred and twenty-two Democrats voted against reauthorization”
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/the_tea_party_didnt_kill_the_p.html

Alice67 said:
In response to your ludicrous statement that Google agreed with you. You still don’t seem to understand how Google works.

Now you are just lying. You know that I was making a joke in direct response to a thread you where not a part of. You know this as I told you in direct response to your misunderstanding. This makes your current statement a lie as most of your posts are. You mock the number of thumbs up seek had but consistently flood the board and get little(more often no) thumbs up, because you’re posts are full of contempt for those who have a better argument.

But again, RAL, one of the far left’s constant talking points is that liberals are much smarter than conservatives. So how did all of these dumb asses end up being CEOs and having all the control, with liberals on the side line, helpless? I mean, if libs are so brilliant, where are they?

Dyson: “the Constitution is a powerful, living, vibrant document.”

Communist code meaning that he hates The Constitution and sees it as an impediment to the progressive agenda.

WillP said:
Seek is actually a senior executive at a multinational corporation who use corporate jets thrice weekly. Truth be told. That’s why he is a committed Republican. He shared this information one time on the board.

And you are jealous sitting in your glory holed cubicle making the penny a post, wearing your ‘depends’ since they only give you a bathroom break every 48 hrs, probably not even knowing who’s President, but just posting sh*t that your told too.

Republicans Are Liars said:
…………do you really want corporations to be able to spend annonimously and without limits? Do you realy want that? If you do you are a true “Teadiot.”

Guilty. When corporations spend “annonimously and without limits” America prospers due to productivity and increased imployment. What you mean, though of course, is that you need to limit freedom of speech in order to keep the Liberal minority in control.

Republicans Are Liars said:

Liberal Tormentor; said:
Liberals show nothing but contempt for this country and its founders. It’s sad.

Hey Lib Tor… I see you are back again to spout your daily does of ignorance to the rest of us. I was wondering where your degree in Political Science is from? You do have a degree, correct? I truly love your fact based quote above.. It is so logical. Jeeze, why don’t you go take some basic constitutional law course somewhere so you at least have a starting point to base your lunacy from.

Maybe one day when you grow up and finish school, you’ll realize that it doesn’t take a degree to identify anti-*****can behavior and the failed results of Liberalism. In fact, degrees are mostly awarded by institutionalized Liberals who’ve never experienced a world other than the theoretical, and have no use for reviewing real-world results. But then, maybe you won’t. Maybe you’ll remain a Liberal instead, and continue to be Dim.

One takeaway was that under the light weight of 4 dogmatic Progressives even G Will can destroy them with the tid bits of truth. It’s like flame consuming paper.

Worp said:
One takeaway was that under the light weight of 4 dogmatic Progressives even G Will can destroy them with the tid bits of truth. It’s like flame consuming paper.

EXCELLENT!

Alice67 said:
Actually I didn’t. I really did think you were stupid enough to think Google has the capability of taking sides by the number of responses that come up. All you had to do was tell me you were joking instead of carrying on about it for days now. Simple honest responses won’t hurt you or me. Thanks for finally giving one.

Another lie. In direct response to me telling you it was a joke, you called me stupid. You know I was joking because you responded (in typical form with contempt) Alice, please, jump into the debate, address the topic, make your argument, but stop the lies.

Alice67 said:
stfu already.

That is the breadth and depth of your intellect and your argument. I will not.

Dyson responded that prior to its Amendments, the Constitution was far from perfect, yet “the Constitution is a powerful, living, vibrant document.” And of even more concern to him, was that he thinks the Constitution has been “hijacked by people with narrow, vicious and parochial visions.”

No, it isn’t a living, vibrant thing, it’s all but carved in stone. And it’s being hijacked by power hungry people with fantasies about what it very plainly says. Some of them wore black robes, and still do.

Republicans Are Liars said:
Ask yourself these questions, “Why is there the biggest gap between the rich and the poor there has ever been in the history of the country?” Ask yourself, “Why has the top 2% of Americans had their incomes increase 237% in the last 30 years while everyone else’s incomes remain flat?” There are smart Republicans. They are smart enough to take your money from you and make you feel like they are trying to help you all it the same time. This is where the dichotomy is between smart Republicans and let’s say the “less astute” followers of said party. The Republican Party has sold you a bill of goods that will keep you and your offspring in the poor house for generations unless YOU come to your senses and understand that their agenda is not in YOUR best financial interest. For instance these people could careless about the abortion debate. They figure this is an area they can give to the masses to make them vote for Republicans. Guns, these people don’t want to see YOU with an assault rifle in your hands, but they know they can afford to live in gated communities where they will be protected from the gun toting crowd so they give it to you to be on their team. Remember their goal is to keep BIG BANKING – BIG PHARMACUTICALS – BIG INSURANCE – BIG OIL – BIG MILITARY CONTRACTORS fat and happy. Guns and the abortion fight are you opiates they readily give to you for free so they can keep stuffing their corporate coffers. AND don’t think I am socialist or communist I own businesses and employ a ton of people. How many of you people posting on here own a business who are so proud of their right wing ideology.

Another great post. I would use Mitt Romney to personify the true force inside the Republican Party. Between 2006 and 2008 he had completely altered his positions on stem cell research, gun control, and abortion. There is no core to what he believes on these issues. He believes in the power and greed of money that drives the Republican Party. All these Tea Partiers who think someone without true credentials as an economic conservative can win are morons. The Republican Party is the party of the upper class and corporate interests. Just like Mitt Romney. They don’t give a damm about the pledge of allegiance or whether a woman can have an abortion.
They care about preserving and bettering their economic status which ALWAYS means making life harder for everybody else. And for any Republicans who think the Tea Party and GOP does really care about you ask if your life and family is any better from the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003? An approximate 4 TRILLION!!! Trickle up not down economics. That is if you are lucky enough to be among the very wealthiest citizens. Wake up dumb teabaggers. Putting the Republican Party in the power is the best plan for job insecurity and reduced wages.

WillP, again presenting the position that Republicans are dumb, yet they’re the only ones who ever rise to positions of power in giant corporations. And no explanation of exactly how that works.

Perdido said:
Republicans Are Liars, how can it be both ways? Republicans are stupid, yet they’re the only ones who ever get rich and the only ones in control of giant corporations. If Democrats are smarter, doesn’t seem like they’d also be heading corporations? And if Republican fat cats are controlling the economy, why would they want to destroy it? It really can’t be both ways, yet the left keeps insisting it can.

Of course it can’t. How close is Obama to Goldman Sachs? Is Matt Taibbi a wingnut now? Trick question! He’s can’t be a wingnut because he’s pissed at Goldman Sachs! Which is in turn, in bed with Obama.

Republicans are Liars, I’d be much obliged if you could sort all this out. But if you’re busy Leaning Forward, I understand.

The TeaParty has changed the debate in America. After weathering a storm of accusations by the legion of Progressives (MSM, Hollywood, Academia, Globalists etc) the TeaParty has only gotten stronger. Progressive lies are the sustenance of truth. We need to leverage this and put a refounder in the white house. Consider;

Herman Cain
Sarah Palin
Thaddeus Mccotter
Rick Parry
Michele Bachmann
Rick Santorum
Any one of them can hit Obama’s glass jaw.

WillP said:
The constitution is not a sacred document anymore. It is a political weapon which is indeed hijacked by political figures for their own selfish, political aims. Sarah Palin rode around in a bus emblazoned with the Constitution. Does anybody for a second think that Sarah Palin has a deep understanding of the constitution? Yeah sure.

It is our foundational law. When we start deciding things based on what Sarah Palin’s bus says, then you can complain about it. It still is what it is and if you don’t like it you need to change it. You cannot simply decide it doesn’t matter anymore.

Why does this need to be explained? Our education system is pathetic. On the bright side, self-esteem is at an all time high.

Dyson is one smart dude but you have to always ask, after watching him on any broadcast, just what the hell is he talking about.

Prof. Dyson is a race-baiter like the Just-Us Brothers, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson!

Dyson has always appeared to subscribe to Rev. Wright’s Black Liberation Theology!

They ridicule America and capitalism while becoming richer using both!

Davo said:
Guilty. When corporations spend “annonimously and without limits” America prospers due to productivity and increased imployment. What you mean, though of course, is that you need to limit freedom of speech in order to keep the Liberal minority in control. Hey

Davo – I can tell you are exactly who the Republicans love. An uneducated, white guy, who thinks he loves America. The country hasn’t prospered under Republican economic theories. Only the top 2% of the country has prospered. The top 2% have had this same tax rate for 10 years and it didn’t create jobs. How can you possibly deny this. What has turned the country around a little is President Obama’s economic policies he championed through in spite of the idiot Republicans in congress trying to stop everything he tried to do. Look at the charts. Fact’s do not lie. There has been private sector job growth for months now compared to hemorrhaging private sector jobs throughout the Bush years. Don’t even come back with anything to the contrary for you will be once again making yourself look stupid. BTW… bright boy, employment is spelled with an “e”

Michael Eric Dyson, Richard Stengel, Jill Lepore all spoke about interpreting the constitution but none spoke of amending the constitution. This is one of the many tells outing a lawless progressive.

Pablo said:
Of course it can’t. How close is Obama to Goldman Sachs? Is Matt Taibbi a wingnut now? Trick question! He’s can’t be a wingnut because he’s pissed at Goldman Sachs! Which is in turn, in bed with Obama.

Republicans are Liars, I’d be much obliged if you could sort all this out. But if you’re busy Leaning Forward, I understand.

Excellent sources. Please remind your right-wing friends of Matt Taibbi when they are ranting about everybody carrying water for Obama and the DNC…….

So that top 2% are all Republicans. And even under Democratic administrations, that status quo has never changed. And there are no rich Democrats. And even if there were, they’d be above it all and never try to influence a politician. Mother Goose couldn’t tell a better one.

Leave to a leftist blog to dig up every socialist, anti-American KOOK in existence to trash America, it’s Constitutional foundation and each and every American value – it’s their way of desecrating (instead of celebrating) Independence Day.

juan said:
Prof. Dyson is a race-baiter like the Just-Us Brothers, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson!

Dyson has always appeared to subscribe to Rev. Wright’s Black Liberation Theology!

They ridicule America and capitalism while becoming richer using both!

Their race baiting legion is vast (Jon Stewart) and grows every day. It seems to me that good people will be painted with hate from all outlets. Fortunately the tactic has less power today and with hero’s like Breitbart shining a light on manufactured hate, but anyone standing for the constitution will eventually be called a raciest or worse. Arm yourself or face the repercussions. Fight Black Liberation Theology with reason.
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=1128

The hilarious thing is.. is that the Republicans are just stealing this argument from Democrats six years ago. Surprise. Bush legalized torture, the patriot act, warrantless wiretapping, when into 2 illegal wars knowingly lying to the public, put us trillions in debt…

..and it only happened in the last 2 years? What a doofus. All credibility flew out the window when he said that.

It’s hard to believe that anyone was impressed with George Will. I sent him an e-mail:

Your comment this morning assuming the finality of District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) [a 5-4 decision] and McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. ___, 130 S.Ct. 3020 (2010) [another 5-4 decision] could be considered truthful only if you had never heard of Plessy v. Ferguson, 163.U.S. 537 (1896) [a 7 to 1 decision].

im_lovin_it said:
Excellent sources. Please remind your right-wing friends of Matt Taibbi when they are ranting about everybody carrying water for Obama and the DNC…….

Thank you for not addressing the Obama/Goldman Sachs problem at all, and instead taking shots at “right-wingers”. You’ve followed the playbook to the letter, and I applaud your effort. You go, Boy!

Michael Eric Dyson is for the most part right- we (especially through the media) tend to think that our present time is the most trying and we lack perspective on history.

That being said, I wish it was specifically stated that the constitution is under siege by this administration in that they have greatly expanded executive orders and authority of the president, at times bypassing congress and the will of the people.

The fact remains that the Obama administration is implementing cap and trade, net neutrality, and the dream act by federal regulation, even though congress didnt pass them into law and/or specifically voted against their passage.

I urge everyone to educate yourself on the EPA’s expansion of the Clean Air Interstate Rule (CAIR) as it pertains to implementing cap and trade and thereby circumventing congress.

The FCC already has approved implementation of Net Neutrality rules, even though the house passed a resolution prohibiting its use.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/business/media/09broadband.html

Now on the agenda is a back door implementation of the dream act through ICE (immigration and customs enforcement)

http://multiamerican.scpr.org/2011/06/with-dream-act-a-tough-sell-ice-prosecutorial-discretion-memo-will-be-put-to-test/

Now Im not trying to make some argument for or against these specific programs- the problem is that this administration is increasingly making congress irrelevant. (Not to mention the president ignoring the war powers act) So yes, Christine Amanpour, you can laugh, and Michael Eric Dyson can deflect, but this is dangerous ground we are treading on, and no president, regardless of party, should have the authority to bypass our legislative branch and disenfranchise the people.

Alice67 said:
No, the top 2% are not all Republicans. That’s why the Dems that are in that top 2% have come out publicly and said they are willing to pay more taxes in order to benefit the country. THAT is patriotism.

then why dont they?

Republicans Are Liars said:
Hey Seek… You are so right! Conservatives are the brightest people in the country. This is why we attacked a country (Iraq) that had never harmed us in any way on trumped up charges that were proven wrong

First off, I agree, Conservatives are the brightest people in the country. Second, invading Iraq was a BIPARTISIAN decision. Try to remember that.

Alice67 said:
Most Democrats don’t use greed and power as the primary motivating force for what they do

Have you always been this delusional or only since Obama started you on the Kool-aid? Don’t use greed or power? Democrats? Seriously? I could give you a whole list of Democrats that most definitely use greed and power as their motivating force.

@ Snow

Then couldn’t the reversee be said? The left was up in arms over the Patriot Act… until Obama resigned it. Then suddenly, it wasn’t so bad.

What happened?

@ Alice

Rich folks can write a check to the government, and I’m pretty sure they’ll be happy to cash it. Why do they need someone to say, “You have to do this,” for them to do it?

Alice67 said:
No, the top 2% are not all Republicans. That’s why the Dems that are in that top 2% have come out publicly and said they are willing to pay more taxes in order to benefit the country. THAT is patriotism.

cjd ohio 1 said:
then why dont they?

just write the government a check

RealTVCritics.com said:
Dyson is one smart dude but you have to always ask, after watching him on any broadcast, just what the hell is he talking about.

Smart? what’s smart about “hijacked by people with narrow, vicious and parochial visions” unless vitriolic has become synonymous to smart. Dyson equated the constitution to the bible…kinda dumb if you ask me.

It’s so true…those demonic democrats have hijacked the Constitution,God they are mean people….

We should probably call Paul Revere,John Quincy Adams and John Wayne Gacy to save us by ringing those bells,free the slaves and basically kill people who we don’t like to “restore honor” in this country.

Easy and unnecessary I know….sorry.

*drink*

Dyson don’t like Whitey.

BoomShakalaka said:
We should probably call Paul Revere,John Quincy Adams and John Wayne Gacy to save us by ringing those bells,free the slaves and basically kill people who we don’t like to “restore honor” in this country.

While asking FDR to go on tv and warn the 59 states?

Alice67 said:
No, the top 2% are not all Republicans. That’s why the Dems that are in that top 2% have come out publicly and said they are willing to pay more taxes in order to benefit the country. THAT is patriotism.

Good! Let them go ahead and pay more taxes! The IRS will gladly take their money!

2012freedom said:
First off, I agree, Conservatives are the brightest people in the country. Second, invading Iraq was a BIPARTISIAN decision. Try to remember that.

Yep Democrats votes for the Iraq War and approved funding!

Alice67 said:
No, the top 2% are not all Republicans. That’s why the Dems that are in that top 2% have come out publicly and said they are willing to pay more taxes in order to benefit the country. THAT is patriotism.

So, did they write the check? They can send it here:

Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782

Let us know when they put their money where their mouth is.

BoomShakalaka said:
It’s so true…those demonic democrats have hijacked the Constitution,God they are mean people….

We should probably call Paul Revere,John Quincy Adams and John Wayne Gacy to save us by ringing those bells,free the slaves and basically kill people who we don’t like to “restore honor” in this country.

Easy and unnecessary I know….sorry.

*drink*

No we just have to remember the bomb that fell on Perl Harbor and killed all those Navy Corpse Man whom we ask our 12 year old daughter to shake hands with and pin the medal of honor on in these 57 united states.

*snort*

2012freedom said:
First off, I agree, Conservatives are the brightest people in the country. Second, invading Iraq was a BIPARTISIAN decision. Try to remember that.

It was a BIPARTISAN decision when the Democrats were side lied to by the other. Thus, proving the point that Republicans ARE liars.

NeoKong said:
Dyson don’t like Whitey.

That’s why he loves Obama. He got Whitey!

Republicans Are Liars said:
It was a BIPARTISAN decision when the Democrats were side lied to by the other. Thus, proving the point that Republicans ARE liars.

“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.” –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.” –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.” –Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.” –Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” Letter to President Clinton, signed by: — Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” — Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” Letter to President Bush, Signed by: — Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them.” — Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” — Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” — Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” — Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…” — Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” — Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.” — Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do” — Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” — Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” — Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…” — Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Sorry, they weren’t lied to. And if anyone was lied to, they were lied to by George Tenet’s CIA. You know, the guy Bill Clinton put in charge of the CIA.

juan said:
Yep Democrats votes for the Iraq War and approved funding!

At least Bush went to congress; Obama just starts dropping bombs all by his lonesome…lawless

juan said:
Yep Democrats votes for the Iraq War and approved funding!

Juan, where is your head at. Obviously with your name you have some type of hispanic heritage. Your conservative friends, like in AZ have tried to vilify hispanics. How can you turn against your own poeple. As I said earlier, Democrats voted for the war and to fund it after being lied to by the Republicans.

Alice67 said:
No, the top 2% are not all Republicans. That’s why the Dems that are in that top 2% have come out publicly and said they are willing to pay more taxes in order to benefit the country. THAT is patriotism.

was dumping your debt (when you filed bankruptcy) on us, patriotic too?

Time Mag put it out there, and now the liberal left is all over it; once again, demostrative of the group think, the journolist that supposedly doesn’t exist any more.

They all say the same thing…Time Mag took the lead, probably at the behest and in payment from George Soros, and now the whole lefty meme is to discredit the constitution.

What a sad spectacle the media has become; they no longer respect the value of freedom of the press, they no longer work to bring the public the truth, they work on behalf of the man(child) in the Oval, getting paid for their prostitution by the likes of george soros, and they think the public is stupid….which is why they think that they can continue to get away with their propaganda.

TfT said:
Time Mag put it out there, and now the liberal left is all over it; once again, demostrative of the group think, the journolist that supposedly doesn’t exist any more. They all say the same thing…Time Mag took the lead, probably at the behest and in payment from George Soros, and now the whole lefty meme is to discredit the constitution. What a sad spectacle the media has become; they no longer respect the value of freedom of the press, they no longer work to bring the public the truth, they work on behalf of the man(child) in the Oval, getting paid for their prostitution by the likes of george soros, and they think the public is stupid….which is why they think that they can continue to get away with their propaganda.

I love these people who hide behind the flag. (You’re picture) You call the president a man(child.) You are a racist piece of guano. If you don’t like this country go somewhere else. I am sure there are tons of places that would love to have someone of your in-depth intellect to help their country move in the right direction.

Republicans Are Liars said:
I love these people who hide behind the flag. (You’re picture) You call the president a man(child.) You are a racist piece of guano. If you don’t like this country go somewhere else. I am sure there are tons of places that would love to have someone of your in-depth intellect to help their country move in the right direction.

race card……..drink

Republicans Are Liars said:
Juan, where is your head at. Obviously with your name you have some type of hispanic heritage. Your conservative friends, like in AZ have tried to vilify hispanics. How can you turn against your own poeple.

Ask Marco Rubio.

Senator Rubio: I’d Expect Obama’s “Class Warfare” Rhetoric From A 3rd World Leader

As I said earlier, Democrats voted for the war and to fund it after being lied to by the Republicans.

You lie.

RAL said the same, “If you don’t like the President, get out,” for the Bush years… I’m sure. Right?

Pablo said:
“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.” –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.” –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

“Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.” –Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.” –Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” Letter to President Clinton, signed by: — Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

“Hussein has … chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” — Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” Letter to President Bush, Signed by: — Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them.” — Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” — Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” — Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” — Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…” — Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” — Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.” — Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do” — Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” — Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” — Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…” — Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Sorry, they weren’t lied to. And if anyone was lied to, they were lied to by George Tenet’s CIA. You know, the guy Bill Clinton put in charge of the CIA.

That’s a lot of memos you got there dude..you’re very well informed huh….

So I’m gonna assume you didn’t post those from 2000 and 2001 warning Bush and Cheney about the attack,(pretty easy to find online but I guess you know that) ,on purpose…hypocrite much?

Good talk.

cjd ohio 1 said:
race card……..drink

…drink

BoomShakalaka said:
That’s a lot of memos you got there dude..you’re very well informed huh…. So I’m gonna assume you didn’t post those from 2000 and 2001 warning Bush and Cheney about the attack,(pretty easy to find online but I guess you know that) ,on purpose…hypocrite much? Good talk.

link?

@ Boom

That was a pretty neat dodge! I don’t think anyone will notice.

Worp said:
No we just have to remember the bomb that fell on Perl Harbor and killed all those Navy Corpse Man whom we ask our 12 year old daughter to shake hands with and pin the medal of honor on in these 57 united states.

*snort*

You do realize there’s a difference between misspelling and being batshit crazy right?

Oh you don’t realize that huh?….Damn….

Ok….sorry I messed with your brain there dude…didn’t mean to confuse you…

*Drink*

RepublicansareLiars:

Yawn.

Pablo said:
Thank you for not addressing the Obama/Goldman Sachs problem at all, and instead taking shots at “right-wingers”. You’ve followed the playbook to the letter, and I applaud your effort. You go, Boy!

Hahaha….I’ll let Matt Taibbi speak for me. He does it much more eloquently. He’s been taking Obama to task pretty regularly.

Now, are you willing to accept Taibbi as an honest-to-God calls it like he sees it reporter?

cjd ohio 1 said:
link?

Dude it’s sunday…….you do it.
You didn’t mind doing it to find all those links to make your argument,while avoiding all those that crushed it right?
Actually we both know you’ve already seen them all don’t we?

I ain’t spending an hour on that when we both know they’re very real.
Pretty lame move,actually….you can’t win this one on facts dude,only on ideas,and not even then.
So basically.you’re screwed.

*Drink*

BoomShakalaka said:
Dude it’s sunday…….you do it.You didn’t mind doing it to find all those links to make your argument,while avoiding all those that crushed it right?Actually we both know you’ve already seen them all don’t we? I ain’t spending an hour on that when we both know they’re very real.Pretty lame move,actually….you can’t win this one on facts dude,only on ideas,and not even then.So basically.you’re screwed. *Drink*

lol, all you have to say no, a hour to find a link lol

@ cjd

He can’t… he’s busy *drink*ing.

The United States Constitution .

Or , as they refer to it in Dem households : Bird Cage Liner .

Alice67 said:
I’m one of those Americans that ended up in bankruptcy because of huge medical debt. How much have you been objecting to all the bankruptcies Donald Trump has filed?There’s something very disturbing about anyone who would become so invested in a poster that they would investigate their personal life. What do you think that will do for you? You really need to get some help I think.

jddoubleu lay off that for now, tell us alice why aint the rich democrats sending in higher taxes as a gift to the government?

Alice67 said:
Do you have information that they are or they’re not? I don’t.

no, i have no proof that they are

“Michael Eric Dyson, professor at Georgetown University, engaged in a highly intellectual debate with George Will and others …”

Seriously, did Mediaite get its marching orders to write in the “intellectual” which discussing Democrats are talking?

Did you every use “intellectual” with Glenn Beck, he and his guests discussed these types of things on a regular basis.

cjd ohio 1 said:
lol, all you have to say no, a hour to find a link lol

Well they’re not that easy to find,but yea not an hour I guess.

Alice67 said:
Do you have information that they are or they’re not? I don’t.

so just saying you are willing, makes you patriotic, not actually doing, got it

BoomShakalaka said:
Well they’re not that easy to find,but yea not an hour I guess.

you have plenty of time, no problem just post the link when you find it

Worp said:
At least Bush went to congress; Obama just starts dropping bombs all by his lonesome…lawless

At least Obama could get Bin Laden.

BatBoy said:
“Michael Eric Dyson, professor at Georgetown University, engaged in a highly intellectual debate with George Will and others …”

Seriously, did Mediaite get its marching orders to write in the “intellectual” which discussing Democrats are talking?

Did you every use “intellectual” with Glenn Beck, he and his guests discussed these types of things on a regular basis.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

WEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

Thanks for the laugh……

BatBoy said:
“Michael Eric Dyson, professor at Georgetown University, engaged in a highly intellectual debate with George Will and others …”

Seriously, did Mediaite get its marching orders to write in the “intellectual” which discussing Democrats are talking?

Did you every use “intellectual” with Glenn Beck, he and his guests discussed these types of things on a regular basis.

They certainly couldn’t use “intellectual” to describe all the George Bush loving teabaggers that reside on this site.

Worp said:
No we just have to remember the bomb that fell on Perl Harbor and killed all those Navy Corpse Man whom we ask our 12 year old daughter to shake hands with and pin the medal of honor on in these 57 united states.

*snort*

57 States Corpsman, mentally deficient people usually repeat themselves ad nauseum. 57 States Corpsmen 57 Statescorpsmen57statescorpsmen57statescorpsmenkillmenowmywifeisfat57statescorpsmen

BatBoy said:
“Michael Eric Dyson, professor at Georgetown University, engaged in a highly intellectual debate with George Will and others …”

Seriously, did Mediaite get its marching orders to write in the “intellectual” which discussing Democrats are talking?

Did you every use “intellectual” with Glenn Beck, he and his guests discussed these types of things on a regular basis.

Glenn Beck got cancelled, why are you talking about him still?

tatboy said:
Dyson is a hatful man.

You say that about all black people, I wish you would take a walk in my neighborhood, oh wait you never would cause you are scared of the blacks.

tatboy said:
Dyson is a hatful man.

“hateful” you dunce.

Alice67 said:
Asking for taxes to be raised on the rich when you are the rich, yes, I find that patriotic. Much more patriotic than fighting tax increases on the rich, when you are the rich.

got it, words speak louder than actions

Sanders Youth said:
You say that about all black people, I wish you would take a walk in my neighborhood, oh wait you never would cause you are scared of the blacks.

race card……drink

jddoubleu said:
early film of dyson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izpa9D7c77U

Is everyone in Colorado like you are?

Alice67 said:
Plus you and I have already admitted that we have no idea if they are or are not doing it. So your argument is a straw man. You’re arguing against something you do not know to be true.

cjd ohio 1 said:
got it, words speak louder than actions

whatever, saying stuff makes you patriotic, according to you, and thats fine

cjd ohio 1 said:
race card……..drink

Ohio is fully of inbred rednecks who like the Buckeyes, too bad about your coach. Drink

Alice67 said:
You have no idea what actions have or have not been taken. Prove to me that they have not taken action as you are arguing. You’re arguing a straw man. I’ll not respond to it again unless you have proof they have not taken action.

i was just wondering what you thought being patriotic was, since you put in your comment, you have made that clear now, and thats fine

Sanders Youth said:
Ohio is fully of inbred rednecks who like the Buckeyes, too bad about your coach. Drink

hold on, got to get another bottle of MD20/20, be right back

d

Alice67 said:
I also found it just as disturbing that you would purposely post a virus as a link because you were in a heated discussion. Really. Seek help. Now I’ll go back to ignoring you again.

you stupid loser c*nt, roscoes chicken and waffle’s website is a business not a virus. please do society a favor and kill yourself. it’s the patriotic thing to do.

Sanders Youth said:
Is everyone in Colorado like you are?

im not in colorado you stupid pussy

Alice67 said:
I find you to be very thick. Sorry but I do. It’s tedious to have a discussion with you … tho I’ll admit there is aspects of you that I do like so I continue to try.I did not say “saying stuff makes you patriotic”, but calling for tax hikes on yourself to help the country is. Why do you have so many negative thoughts for those willing to call for tax hikes on themselves yet not a negative word for those that are fighting tooth and nail against them? You really make no sense unless your goal is to just be negative against anything Democrat. I’m afraid I’m going to have to go back to ignoring you. This bores me to tears.

calling for is the same as just saying, wow…….no i think all deductions in the tax code should be done away with, the reason people get away with shit is the loopholes and all the bullshit they write in certain rules, democrats and republicans do it, simple and fair

new bottle drink

Davo said:
I’m mot sure the term “hi-jacked” is what Liberals have done to the Constitution. The Left claims to “love” the Constitution while ignoring it, perverting it, and mis-quoting it all the while. A “flexible” Constitution is no Constitution at all. It was purposely created as very difficult to change, and it has only been altered 17 times throughout history…………………….the first 10 amendments only being redundant to the original text. It provides the framework necessary to insure freedom and growth, as long as it is upheld and enforced against those who would prefer it’s retirement as an obstacle to the Leftist mission of oppression and statism. Liberals must claim it “rubbery so as to distort it to conform to their anti-*****can agenda.

Jefferson Memorial Panel Four: (Jefferson is not on your side of this argument)

“I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.”

jddoubleu said:
im not in colorado you stupid pussy

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Last Active: May 19, 2011, 06:53:46 AM
Gender: Male
Age: 43
Location: Illinois, USA
Zip Code: 60651
Type of Diet: vegan
Hobbies: Gardening, camping, biking, generally being outside.
Companion Animals: Cat
Religious Views: Atheist
Zodiac Sign: Capricorn
Local Time: July 03, 2011, 05:38:29 PM
Description:
I’ve been on a vegan diet since 2006 falling off ocasionally. My family and friends are a very important part of my life and I spend as much time with them as I can. I don’t know how to cook but am attempting to learn now.
Personals Info:
Seeking a: man For: serious relationship
And Seeking a: man or woman For: friendship
Children: not interested in having children

You are gay?

Sanders Youth said:
Name: jddoubleu
Posts: 5 (0.005 per day)
Position: VegFriends Subscriber
Date Registered: September 15, 2008, 07:48:36 PM
Last Active: May 19, 2011, 06:53:46 AM
Gender: Male
Age: 43
Location: Illinois, USA
Zip Code: 60651
Type of Diet: vegan
Hobbies: Gardening, camping, biking, generally being outside.
Companion Animals: Cat
Religious Views: Atheist
Zodiac Sign: Capricorn
Local Time: July 03, 2011, 05:38:29 PM
Description:
I’ve been on a vegan diet since 2006 falling off ocasionally. My family and friends are a very important part of my life and I spend as much time with them as I can. I don’t know how to cook but am attempting to learn now.
Personals Info:
Seeking a: man For: serious relationship
And Seeking a: man or woman For: friendship
Children: not interested in having children

You are gay?

Go to Vegweb and type in jddoubleu
Wow a gay vegan Republican who issues death threats on a message board, I guess it takes all kinds.

Alice67 said:
Like I said, thick as a brick and a waste of my time. bah bye.

and like i said, just a bullshitter, later

pick up a weapon and stand a post, join the peace corp and help people, volunteer at a homeless shelter or soup kitchen, aid in a training or retraining program, thats patriotic……….

Alice67 said:
I clicked on your link and my virus software picked it up and blocked it. For some strange reason I find I trust my virus software that said it was a virus more than I trust you. The person who you were in the heated discussion with tried to warn me not to open it, perhaps he knew you better than I did at the time, but it was too late. I had already clicked on it. I think you are WAY too invested in what goes on here. Just look at yourself. Wishing death on a poster, investigating they’re lives and sending viruses as links to those that don’t agree with you.

Seek help and get lost!

oh ellen don’t flatter yourself, it didn’t take much effort to find shit about your loser life. i get you just want everyone to be a loser like you so you don’t feel so bad about dumping your debt on society. now come back when you succeed in life and your opinion will count for something. until then you are just another burden on those of us that actually contribute…

Republicans Are Liars said:

BTW….brightboy, employment is spelled with an “e”

And the “quote” button is spelled with the word “quote.” Learn how to use it. Otherwise you show your “daily does of ignorance.” Or maaybe you were trying to spell the word, “dose.”

Republicans Are Liars said:
Hey
Davo – I can tell you are exactly who the Republicans love. An uneducated, white guy, who thinks he loves America. The country hasn’t prospered under Republican economic theories. Only the top 2% of the country has prospered. The top 2% have had this same tax rate for 10 years and it didn’t create jobs. How can you possibly deny this. What has turned the country around a little is President Obama’s economic policies he championed through in spite of the idiot Republicans in congress trying to stop everything he tried to do. Look at the charts. Fact’s do not lie. There has been private sector job growth for months now compared to hemorrhaging private sector jobs throughout the Bush years. Don’t even come back with anything to the contrary for you will be once again making yourself look stupid.

If I look “stupid” to someone Dim enough to be impressed with a chart that shows Hussein the Communist policies “turning the country around,” then I’ll just have to try and learn to live with it. The growing unemployment rate, skyrocketing food and gas prices, and out-of-control government encroachment into the private affairs of American citizens is what’s not debatable, Liars. Those are the fruits of Democrat handiwork.

But honestly, I’d be as scatter-brained as you if I had to try to justify the unjust and legitimize the illegitimate by excusing excuse disastrous results your party has inflicted against America.

Now, about that “quote” button…………….

Alice67 said:
Have you asked yourself why? Why you’re so invested? It’s worthy of some inner reflection, don’t you think?

Perhaps I’d be less of a burden to you if you didn’t allow yourself to get so invested. You rarely post here anymore except to comment on or to me. Very unhealthy. Truly. Sincerely.

you really are a whacked out piece of shit…

cjd ohio 1 said:
and like i said, just a bullshitter, later

jddoubleu said:
you really are a whacked out piece of shit…

I haven’t been on this blog for very long , but I think you both make excellent points .

Sanders Youth said:
Go to Vegweb and type in
Wow a gay vegan Republican who issues death threats on a message board, I guess it takes all kinds.

Color Me Badd etc etc etc etc etc etcetc

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
I haven’t been on this blog for very long , but I think you both make excellent points .

lol nice!

Alice67 said:
I also suspect it is you who keeps hacking into my facebook and twitter account. There never has been anyone online who has been this invested in me before and I’ve never had that happen until I ran into you here. I am keeping a log of all your posts to and about me and I’ll keep complaining to the hosts here about it because I also think it is you who posts as me under my real name. Your wishing for me to kill myself tells me you are not stable. If your goal is to make me believe you might be a danger to me you are succeeding. I have also had posters here speak to me privately to warn me about you. You are known not to me alone. If it becomes necessary I will see if there is any action I can take to protect myself.

cuckoo alert!

Alice67 said:
I also suspect it is you who keeps hacking into my facebook and twitter account. There never has been anyone online who has been this invested in me before and I’ve never had that happen until I ran into you here. I am keeping a log of all your posts to and about me and I’ll keep complaining to the hosts here about it because I also think it is you who posts as me under my real name. Your wishing for me to kill myself tells me you are not stable. If your goal is to make me believe you might be a danger to me you are succeeding. I have also had posters here speak to me privately to warn me about you. You are known not to me alone. If it becomes necessary I will see if there is any action I can take to protect myself.

Not stable at all, as you probably know Facebook is easily hackable and I had a stalker who threatened to kill me over a number of months until I had to call the local police and they picked him up on cyberstalking. He stopped obviously, take every threat seriously Alice, when the police investigated this guy it turned out he had an extensive record and was wanted in Alabama. He is currently in jail on that charge.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Color Me Badd etc etc etc etc etc etcetc

I thought I was Garth? Oh no actually I am Real Royal King right?

Alice67 said:
Have you asked yourself why? Why you’re so invested? It’s worthy of some inner reflection, don’t you think?

Perhaps I’d be less of a burden to you if you didn’t allow yourself to get so invested. You rarely post here anymore except to comment on or to me. Very unhealthy. Truly. Sincerely.

Keep an eye on this guy I will as well. Protect yourself Alice, these teabagger types are unhinged and can be dangerous.

Sanders Youth said:
Not stable at all, as you probably know Facebook is easily hackable and I had a stalker who threatened to kill me over a number of months until I had to call the local police and they picked him up on cyberstalking. He stopped obviously, take every threat seriously Alice, when the police investigated this guy it turned out he had an extensive record and was wanted in Alabama. He is currently in jail on that charge.

shouldn’t you be making chicken or something?

Sanders Youth said:
Keep an eye on this guy I will as well. Protect yourself Alice, these teabagger types are unhinged and can be dangerous.

maybe we could meet for a vegie burger? lmao

Alice67 said:
I’ve written to Mediaite again and also asked the person who has been harassed by him before to write to Midiaite on my behalf too. I’m publicly asking anyone else who has been harassed to please contact Mediaite. I find him to be obsessed and scary as did others that he has harassed.

You will get nothing from Mediaite, you need to record what happens and call your local police, I complained to Facebook for months and only until I called my local police was anything done about it. The police take cyberstalking seriously. What a lot of people don’t know is that it is a Federal crime

18 U.S.C. 875(c), it is a federal crime, punishable by up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000, to transmit any communication in interstate or foreign commerce containing a threat to injure the person of another.

Something I didn’t know until I pressed charges, this guys trial isnt for a few more months but the police take it very seriously, people have been killed because in the past the authorities didn’t take it seriously. They don’t play around anymore when something is documented. I was actually surprised at how quickly they found this guy that was doing it and the charges he ended up getting. It turned out that he was doing the same thing to an ex wife and had been violent with her in the past which is why he is currently in an alabama county jail. Since this guy had a previous record, my lawyer told me he will probably do the full 5 years if he is found guilty in a Federal pen. I urge you to go to your local police Alice, this isn’t a joke.

Alice67 said:
I’ve written to Mediaite again and also asked the person who has been harassed by him before to write to Midiaite on my behalf too. I’m publicly asking anyone else who has been harassed to please contact Mediaite. I find him to be obsessed and scary as did others that he has harassed.

just because you’re paranoid…

bwahahaha!!!

lololol

Alice67 said:
I’ve written to Mediaite again and also asked the person who has been harassed by him before to write to Midiaite on my behalf too. I’m publicly asking anyone else who has been harassed to please contact Mediaite. I find him to be obsessed and scary as did others that he has harassed.

Are you talking about this guy jddoubleu, Alice?

Alice67 said:
This was not written by me but this is my full name that is being posted under.

If you are talking about this particular guy I have seen him threaten other people, I urge you to take the evidence to the local police, again Mediaite wont do a thing, like Facebook didn’t with my case. The police and the feds do take it seriously, thank god I was harassed and threatened for months, this guy said he knew where I lived and was going to kill me. He isn’t doing that now that he is in jail. It is serious Alice, don’t blow it off, there are a lot of horror stories that the police here ended up telling me about this kind of thing.

Sanders Youth said:

no one threatened this old loser. you douchebag lol

Alice67 said:
Yes, of course.

http://cyber-stalking.blogspot.com/2008/03/federal-cyberstalking-laws.html

Alice67 said:
Yes, of course.

I would give you my email Alice but I honestly don’t trust people on these things anymore since all this happened to me, I wish there were some way we could talk about this, I think I could help you cause I just went through a really stressful time with my stalker. But honestly don’t hesitate to call the police if you have documentation. I wont address this person anymore cause I know how it can be. I hope you get help with this the police don’t take this lightly like they used to.

Alice67 said:
Then you’ll have nothing to worry about if you isp is checked against the person posting under my name and hacking into my facebook and twitter account. And I’m not the only one to have had this experience of you. I’m sure the others will be happy to help. I’ve already contacted them.

cool im not worried. are these delusions what rang up your medical bills? lol

BoomShakalaka said:
That’s a lot of memos you got there dude..you’re very well informed huh….

So I’m gonna assume you didn’t post those from 2000 and 2001 warning Bush and Cheney about the attack,(pretty easy to find online but I guess you know that) ,on purpose…hypocrite much?

Good talk.

WHAT WERE THE PAPERS THAT SANDY BERGER STOLE FROM THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES?

Alice67 said:
Didn’t think you’d be able to show me that you told me it was a joke before today. From now on I’ll not read nor respond to any of your posts. Thanks for not wasting any more of my time.

And in return, we will do the same to your posts.

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When did this turn into a freak fest.?
Alice and Sanders need to up their medication and find a padded room.

i just reported alice to my local police for hacking my netflix, she’ll be going away for a long time…

“Wait until your ox is gored”

Professor Dyson views the Constitution as a Document that must expand and grow as times (America) changes.
This is considered a Liberal viewpoint to Constitutional adjudication.

Conversely, A Judge such as Robert Bork, Antonin Scalia or Clarence Thomas, take a much more limited view of how far we should advance the Constitution.

Let’s compare and contrast:

In the early 1990s there was a Judicial debate over a woman’s right NOT to be accosted, entering a Planned Parenthood Clinic. The Courts finally decided on applying “time ,place and manner” considerations against protesters, demonstrating against a woman entering a clinic. Ergo, the Courts put a “Bubble of Protection” around the woman. (10 feet) Sometimes as much as across the road or street.

Thus protecting The protesters freedom of speech, and the woman’s freedom to pass unmolested and threatened.

Liberals applauded the decision.

Now, what if the issue was about the economy and many manufacturing plants and their workers were on Strike? The Corporation hired replacement workers during the strike, and the Court’s determined that the SCABs, as it were, had a right to a 10 foot Bubble of Protection? The Strikers freedom of speech would be protected and the replacements would be protected from assault or threats?

Conservatives applauded the decision. (hypothetically)

Like I said: It all depends “whose ox is being gored.” Doesn’t it?

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

ok – I’m freaked – what is this all about?
I’ve never seen jddoubleu on here before. Obviously he/she and Alice are known to each other.

Don’t like the idea of someone stalking – that’s sick.

Worp said:
When did this turn into a freak fest.?
Alice and Sanders need to up their medication and find a padded room.

Unfortunately it isn’t crazy after you have been the victim of cyberstalking, it is also serious to the guy that is in jail right now who was threatening my life. I just gave some advice to Alice not to take this lightly there are people in the world who are unhinged, I have seen this person jddoubleu, threaten people on this site before, unfortunately Mediaite hasn’t removed him and banned his IP address. They probably should because who knows what he is capable of, he seems unhinged to me and to Alice and I am sure other people. Alice should contact her local police who will not take this lightly. Most people on here are probably harmless and good people but this person jddoubleu isn’t. He should probably stop what he is doing now before he gets arrested, cause if he continues he will.

seek said:
ok – I’m freaked – what is this all about?
I’ve never seen jddoubleu on here before. Obviously he/she and Alice are known to each other.

Don’t like the idea of someone stalking – that’s sick.

Agreed seek, it’s one thing to disagree with someone politically, it is basically harmless and I think most of us are having fun going back and forth with each other, it is another thing when someone is stalking someone and threatening their life. It is uncalled for and can get you arrested. Who knows what this guy is capable of. I hope Mediaite does the right thing it is not cool at all.

Sanders Youth said:
Unfortunately it isn’t crazy after you have been the victim of cyberstalking, it is also serious to the guy that is in jail right now who was threatening my life. I just gave some advice to Alice not to take this lightly there are people in the world who are unhinged, I have seen this person jddoubleu, threaten people on this site before, unfortunately Mediaite hasn’t removed him and banned his IP address. They probably should because who knows what he is capable of, he seems unhinged to me and to Alice and I am sure other people. Alice should contact her local police who will not take this lightly. Most people on here are probably harmless and good people but this person jddoubleu isn’t. He should probably stop what he is doing now before he gets arrested, cause if he continues he will.

youre a lying douchebag

purveyor said:
“Wait until your ox is gored”

Your pension for oxen aside;

Can you please stay on topic and write a verse for the Alice, jddoubleu, Sanders Youth, love triangle?

PS please remove your signature from your posts….

Dyson for the most part is right. Especially the nuts that run around in the revolutionary war uniforms.. that’s hilarious.

jddoubleu said:
youre a lying douchebag

Lets not leave out cowardly bigot .

WORP

I was trying to polite last night and allow both you and I, an exit

Quite simply, You were making a mechanical critique of Philosophical musings. (poorly)

The very fact, that you found a chink in your armor, so to speak, made my point, nicely.

I had asserted that Conservatives view themselves as the party of reason, except when that reason is confounded by Religious implications. Then “reason” can disappear, quickly.

It takes men of principle and intellect to overcome such. For instance, many of the Founding Fathers.

Anyway, When I read your Post this Morning:

“Reason is not the domain of the schooled, but of the learned.” You broke the faith.

My reply to your condescension:

“Reason is not the domain of the learned, but of the schooled.” Touche’

Yes, you have insulted me, for no apparent reason, other than I may have, inadvertently, threatened your
Religious beliefs. Perhaps, if you’d have read my original Post, thoroughly, you would not have been disbobulated?

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

jddoubleu said:
you stupid loser c*nt, roscoes chicken and waffle’s website is a business not a virus. please do society a favor and kill yourself. it’s the patriotic thing to do.

jddoubleu said:
youre a lying douchebag

No you didn’t threaten her life I stand corrected but you called an elderly woman a c*nt and told her to kill herself. Real classy.

Sanders Youth said:
No you didn’t threaten her life I stand corrected but you called an elderly woman a c*nt and told her to kill herself. Real classy.

you should do the same, loser.

Sanders Youth said:
Unfortunately it isn’t crazy after you have been the victim of cyberstalking, it is also serious to the guy that is in jail right now who was threatening my life. I just gave some advice to Alice not to take this lightly there are people in the world who are unhinged, I have seen this person jddoubleu, threaten people on this site before, unfortunately Mediaite hasn’t removed him and banned his IP address. They probably should because who knows what he is capable of, he seems unhinged to me and to Alice and I am sure other people. Alice should contact her local police who will not take this lightly. Most people on here are probably harmless and good people but this person jddoubleu isn’t. He should probably stop what he is doing now before he gets arrested, cause if he continues he will.

What I do agree with you is that mediaite should ban all those who just want to talk about hating people, hating the President and wish him harm and the same for those on the left. It’s one thing to disagree with each other on politics and issues and joking, teasing and making fun of people and the stuff they do or say. But when it comes to the hate talk on both sides there should be no room for that on Mediaite. It just make the site seem more of a joke however it appears Mediaite has banned some of the Obama haters for sure. So props to Mediaite for that. It makes the site more legitimate.

jddoubleu said:
you should do the same, loser.

Again real classy, of course you are a Con. You can pick on an older woman you are a tough guy aren’t you?

jddoubleu said:
you should do the same, loser.

And if she is telling the truth about you stalking her an old woman you are a scumbag of the highest order.

glenn113 said:
What I do agree with you is that mediaite should ban all those who just want to talk about hating people, hating the President and wish him harm and the same for those on the left. It’s one thing to disagree with each other on politics and issues and joking, teasing and making fun of people and the stuff they do or say. But when it comes to the hate talk on both sides there should be no room for that on Mediaite. It just make the site seem more of a joke however it appears Mediaite has banned some of the Obama haters for sure. So props to Mediaite for that. It makes the site more legitimate.

Great points, again like I said most people on here are having fun going back and forth, I have never sensed any real hatred from anyone aside from this person jddoubleu who I think is either a 17 year old kid who is about to get in over his head or a damaged person who probably needs to seek help. Either way its too bad, usually the discourse on here is heated but usually civil calling an older woman a c*nt and wishing she was dead just because she ascribes to a different political belief than you do is disgusting.

Worp said:
When did this turn into a freak fest.?
Alice and Sanders need to up their medication and find a padded room.

They almost made enuf for a 6-pack….leave them alone….HA!

Sanders Youth said:
Unfortunately it isn’t crazy after you have been the victim of cyberstalking.

Honestly dude, I don’t know you from adam. This all seems rather…silly.

tws258 said:
Lets not leave out cowardly bigot .

Wait for it ……

Sanders Youth said:
Meet me on the corner of Fullerton and Western in an hour and say it to my face.

LMAO !!!!

Sanders Youth said:
And if she is telling the truth about you stalking her an old woman you are a scumbag of the highest order.

It’s really bad to know there is someone else besides this guy who thinks its okay to want someone to kill themselves and to call an older woman a c*nt. Again you are only revealing how some people on your side of the fence really think and operate, it only makes your side look bad to agree with this scumbag.

Girth said:
Wait for it ……

LMAO !!!!

Yeah I was real serious about that, I realize I can’t joke around with you dunces but this guy is wishing death on an elderly woman, if you don’t see the difference I cant help you.

Girth said:
Wait for it ……

LMAO !!!!

This website is dangerous I am going to exit, good luck to everyone.

Sanders Youth said:
Again you are only revealing how some people on your side of the fence really think and operate, it only makes your side look bad to agree with this scumbag.

Sanders Youth said:
There is no such thing as bigotry against Mormon’s they deserve it.

I agree I feel sorry for those that agree or side with scumbags .

Sanders Youth said:
This website is dangerous I am going to exit, good luck to everyone.

winning!

Paul G said:
They almost made enuf for a 6-pack….leave them alone….HA!

It’s like fly paper, I check out the chat for some fun and now it’s literally a federal case. I’d like to say something about the heat and a kitchen but Alice is proly sniffing my IP and if I’m not mistaken the feds are going through my trash….best to leave well enough alone.

If you just want to hear unadulterated hate talk and lies everyone knows where they can find that on the am radio dial.

purveyor said:
Professor Dyson views the Constitution as a Document that must expand and grow as times (America) changes.
This is considered a Liberal viewpoint to Constitutional adjudication.

Conversely, A Judge such as Robert Bork, Antonin Scalia or Clarence Thomas, take a much more limited view of how far we should advance the Constitution.

As I stated earlier in this thread, Liberals endeavor to legitimize a ‘rubbery’ constitution in order to pervert it to conform to their illegal and un-Constitutional agenda. A flexible,…………or “advanced” as you state it……….Constitution is no Constitution at all, just as unenforced laws are not laws but simply recommendations.

The Constitution was intentionally created as a rather rigid framework to provide liberty through a limited government with only enumerated powers. Mankind’s God-given rights to liberty never “advance and grow as times (America) changes.” Right and wrong remain right and wrong, thus the Constitution can never be outdated. It can, however, be grossly misrepresented as in the so-called “separation of church and state,” or the “women’s constitutional right to an abortion,” neither of which policy being anywhere in the document at all.

The Constitution is so difficult to modify that it has only been altered 17 times since its inception. Liberals, however, must claim to love it while at the same time pervert it, distort it, and downright ignore it to advance their anti-*****can LIberal agenda.

I do like your creative word-smithing, though. It’s really clever the way you represent distortion of the Constitution as “advancement.” Advancement to what, pray tell.

“Gently they stir, gently rise.

The dead are newborn awakening

With ravaged limbs and wet souls,

Gently they sigh, in rapt funeral amazement.

Who called these dead to dance?”

Alice67 said:
You’re starting to make me feel like I need a walker LOL … tho I am a 65 year old grandmother. But it’s not just me. He has searched personal information on other people and posted it. The reason I find him rather scary is that he posted over and over that I am a murderer because I am Hospice caregiver. Anyone who goes so far as to investigate those who don’t agree with them politically and then posts that information in a discussion forum seems abnormally invested to the degree that should not be taken lightly. Someone is stealing my real identity here and posting under my real name. You can see it was done again in this thread. Also my facebook page is closed to everyone but my friends so my account had to be hacked in order to gain certain information that is on my page. jddoubleu has posted personal information about others and has used the name jdubblu and jdubbellu to do it. I can understand that all of us can get heated at times doing verbal battle here but to continually call someone a murderer and want them to kill themselves seems totally out of bounds and yes, a bit scary. As I’ve said, I’m not the only one who has had these experiences with jddoubleu but for quite a while now he has not said much of anything here except to and about me. I don’t understand that kind of obsession with just another poster on the interwebs.

Just some advice not to broadcast all of what you said. IF, it is true then do what you feel you have to but I wouldn’t let him or her know what you plan to do. Loose lips sink ships dear.

Alice67 said:
You’re starting to make me feel like I need a walker LOL … tho I am a 65 year old grandmother

Alice take a nap . You’ll find things look better when you’re rested . and you’ll stop trying to answer the toaster .

Sanders Youth says:
This website is dangerous I am going to exit, good luck to everyone.
…………………………………………
Shane, come back Shane. Please keep posting just as you have been and don’t change a thing, please!

Davo said:
do like your creative word-smithing, though. It’s really clever the way you represent distortion of the Constitution as “advancement.” Advancement to what, pray tell.

DAVO

I will concede that the word, “advancement,” implies improvement. I assure you, I did not intend such. I was simply trying to clarify for the reader, the esoteric considerations of Supreme Court Decision making. That there are now two competing Philosophies, and most people have only a vague grasp of the inticasies, now involved.

It should be simple, not complicated. It appears that both you and I see this, but…

If you noticed, I try and use Dialectic Philosophy (Plato), question and answer, followed by more question. It is far better for a student to draw their own conclusion, and then affirm such, then have it lectured to death. Do you agree? LOL

You mention you disagree with Roe v Wade? What about the progenitors, Griswold v Connecticut and Eisenstadt v Baird? They were based on an implied right to privacy. Does your wife or girlfriend use Birth Control?

Also, The great Olmstead dissent in 1928, that said the Government doesn’t need a warrant for a wiretap. Can you see a little Roe, (Privacy) in Olmstead?

DAVO, I have never spoke with you. Nice to make your acquaintance

Purveyor

one moment Alice

Alice67 said:
Thanks. But unfortunately I think i’m out of here too. Seeing the responses from other men on here has convinced me this place is just too dark for my tastes. They can be happy that they’ve won. Good bye. Life is too short to swim in this kind of darkness.

finally! don’t let the door hit you in the ass you old bag…

DAVO,

I am a proponent of “Neutral Principle.” Robert Bork and Professor Wechsler argue about the viability. I find such to be the solution to conflicting legislation and adjudication.

The comparison I made in my earlier Post, pitting Hill v Colorado–”Bubble of Protection, and my fictitious Scab scenario, is a perfect example of Neutral Principle. (A crude example would be if Beer is legal, why not Pot?)

Effectively, law should created and applied by reason. NOT, moral caprice.

Any comments?

timcajun said:
Shane, come back Shane. Please keep posting just as you have been and don’t change a thing, please!

Alice67 said:
Are you on facebook? We could friend each other and talk there.

Sanders Youth said:
There is no such thing as bigotry against Mormon’s they deserve it.

I’m sure Sanders Youth appreciates your support . Bigoted birds of a feather all …

I could swear there is a guy in here seaking a serious relationship with another guy and he is from Illinois and about 43 years old?

purveyor said:
The very fact, that you found a chink in your armor.

Using a derogatory term for Chinese won’t prove your point, and there’s only room for 1 in my armor.

purveyor said:
“Reason is not the domain of the schooled, but of the learned.” You broke the faith.
My reply to your condescension:
“Reason is not the domain of the learned, but of the schooled.” Touche’

Any idiot can be schooled (like Netanyahu schooled Obama) but those that learn are enlightened.

purveyor said:
Yes, you have insulted me, for no apparent reason

I playfully mocked you and managed to make you laugh, “lighten up Frances”

purveyor said:
PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

I promise to be nicer if you leave off the pompous sig

jddoubleu said:
finally! don’t let the door hit you in the ass you old bag…

Do you know anything about that description of that guy from Illinois. looking for a serious relationship with another guy. He’s about 43 years old… idk…. that what they say anyway…

glenn113 said:
I could swear there is a guy in here seaking a serious relationship with another guy and he is from Illinois and about 43 years old?

wiki says rahm is 51

alices name change is classy! you go old lady!!

I have no idea who Alice is? seriously

Regarding Alice,

I feel a bit guilty, I know she is an insufferable Liberal, but, she was/is harmless. Kind of like FREAK.

If I played any part in her melt down, it would bother me. If, God forbid, there ever is a civil war, she will not be in my sights.

Alice is a living anachronism… Come to think of it, so are most Liberals.

purveyor said:
Regarding Alice,

I feel a bit guilty, I know she is an insufferable Liberal, but, she was/is harmless. Kind of like FREAK.

If I played any part in her melt down, it would bother me. If, God forbid, there ever is a civil war, she will not be in my sights.

Alice is a living anachronism… Come to think of it, so are most Liberals.

F her, shes an idiot. she has the reading comprehension of a mongoloid and she intentionally lies about peoples posts. i linked to roscoes chicken and waffles website because i thought cobra needed a time out to get a good meal and she ran to every thread on the site saying the link was a virus. people like her need to stay off the internet because they have no freaking clue what they are doing. if she was on fire, i wouldnt piss on her to put it out…

BoomShakalaka said:
That’s a lot of memos you got there dude..you’re very well informed huh…. So I’m gonna assume you didn’t post those from 2000 and 2001 warning Bush and Cheney about the attack,(pretty easy to find online but I guess you know that) ,on purpose…hypocrite much? Good talk.

That’s hilarious..

You guys have a good night. Happy 4th.

FU#KYOU said:
You’re starting to make me feel like I need a walker LOL … tho I am a 65 year old grandmother.

That’s an unfortunate name for a Grandmother .

Fokker News said:
The people with a true understanding of the constitution are the people who carry pocket editions of it with them to rallies, and wave it around. They are also the people most likely NOT able to answer any questions regarding U.S. history. They are the “non-thinkers” as Roger Ailes likes to call them.

That had to have been the dumbes comment of this thread.

Republicans Are Liars said:
daily does of ignorance

hmmm… what is a “does” of ignorance? Oh, wait, never mind… you just showed us.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
That’s an unfortunate name for a Grandmother .

* snicker *

Worp said:
I promise to be nicer if you leave off the pompous sig

WORP,

You sit like a Boxer in his corner, eyes swollen shut. Or, a chess player who has just heard the word “check,” yet, knows it is really, “check mate.”

And YOU, deign to offer ME the hand of reconciliation?

I am the victorious Gladiator, who looks to his master as to whether, or not, his Master’s thumb signals your life, or death! (metaphorically, of course)

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

jddoubleu said:
F her, shes an idiot. she has the reading comprehension of a mongoloid and she intentionally lies about peoples posts. i linked to roscoes chicken and waffles website because i thought cobra needed a time out to get a good meal and she ran to every thread on the site saying the link was a virus. people like her need to stay off the internet because they have no freaking clue what they are doing. if she was on fire, i wouldnt piss on her to put it out…

I want to think I’m the one that took her down…..He was a F’ing idiot(Moron).
As to Purveyor…GET A BACK BONE!!! QUIT APOLOGIZING!!! WE have to stand up to these Morons!

…and I thoufght Dyson was an Obama supporeter:

“Prof. Michael Eric Dyson: Constitution ‘Hijacked By People With Narrow, Vicious Visions’”

You know that’s next up for the Liberal Hoardes

MsUnderestimated said:
That had to have been the dumbes comment of this thread.

Everyone else just calls them Democrats!

LMAO!

Paul G said:
I want to think I’m the one that took her down…..He was a F’ing idiot(Moron).
As to Purveyor…GET A BACK BONE!!! QUIT APOLOGIZING!!! WE have to stand up to these Morons!

7 down….millions to go…..

Paul G said:
7 down….millions to go…..

Actually about 40…but the libtard Morons here just change their names…

I saw that closed-minded, racially-persnickety buffoon, Eric Dyson, yesterday, and Mr. Dyson seemed either unaware or totally dismissive of the fact we already have a process for changing Constitutional provisions.
- and these are the people Left-Wing advocates (i.e. hosts) on network “news & opinion” shows herarld as great thinkers!

Kinda’ like giving a President the Nobel Peace Prize for completing his first movement in the White House john!

What a disgrace THAT was!

It’s almost as if, and I hesitate to say this (heh-heh), Liberals no longer think or reason; rather, like primieval-man before them, they simply emote!

BoomShakalaka said:
That’s a lot of memos you got there dude..you’re very well informed huh….

So I’m gonna assume you didn’t post those from 2000 and 2001 warning Bush and Cheney about the attack,(pretty easy to find online but I guess you know that) ,on purpose…hypocrite much?

Good talk.

First, those aren’t memos, those are quotes. Next, how does not posting a PDB about bin Ladin during the course of a discussion on WMD in Iraq make me a hypocrite? Lastly, I would LOVE to see the warnings to Bush and Cheney circa 2000 to which you refer. Those would be news to me, so let’s have them.

im_lovin_it said:
Hahaha….I’ll let Matt Taibbi speak for me. He does it much more eloquently. He’s been taking Obama to task pretty regularly.

Why don’t you let him bash Republicans for you too, then? No, it’s just Obama about whom a cross word will not pass your keyboard.

Now, are you willing to accept Taibbi as an honest-to-God calls it like he sees it reporter?

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

PAUL G.

I know, and I agree. However, you know very well I have a “backbone.” I have come to view the Socialist’s as mostly, traitors. I believe my writing supports that.

I make my point, in such a way as to enlighten, convince or change minds. When people attack me, ‘first,” they will feel my wrath, as WORP, Glackin, BRUCE, WOOFIE , etc., has.

But, Alice, FREAK, VALKYRIE, a few others, don’t threaten me. I will engage them, then pull back.

Once in a while, they even say something interesting as did FREAK, the other night. I paid him a compliment, and THAT made ME feel good as much as I hope him, I am sure. (FREAK suffers a relatively functional, mental illness, seriously. I think it is evident, sometimes, in his Posts)

PAUL G. I consider you an ally. I know, at times, you supported me and quid pro quo. Thank you

Also, I appreciate your candor! LOL

Purveyor

glenn113 said:
If you just want to hear unadulterated hate talk and lies everyone knows where they can find that on the am radio dial.

Actually, I can’t seem to find Air America. Help a brother out?

Can I get one of the Democratic posters here to clarify something?

Does your Party’s newly-revealed War on the Constitution now take pecedence over it’s War on God & Religion?

Voters – remember who the people are that share YOUR values, and compare them with the people in today’s Democratic Party.

NORBIT Jr. said:

I saw that closed-minded, racially-persnickety buffoon, Eric Dyson, yesterday, and Mr. Dyson seemed either unaware or totally dismissive of the fact we already have a process for changing Constitutional provisions.

NORBIT,

First , allow me to say (not to you, but) that the anonymity of the I-net is not license to metaphorically beat up old ladies. Right or wrong, I feel guilt this morn.

Anyway. Dyson is a Professor of Sociology, Obama taught Law. Between the two them, they have irrevocably wrecked a number of young, potentially good minds.

Interpretivist (Hermeneutical) Law has by-products that, as we know, extends beyond the Courtroom.

Purveyor

NORBIT Jr. said:
Does your Party’s newly-revealed War on the Constitution now take pecedence over it’s War on God & Religion?

Voters – remember who the people are that share YOUR values, and compare them with the people in today’s Democratic Party.

I have studied Con-Law, extensively. The “Wars” you refer coincide. You need to attack Religion, by way of the Constitution.

About the time of the Brown v. Education decision, so too began small attacks on Religion and other First Amendment cases.

Myself, I desire an ‘appropriate’ separation of church and state. Moreover, There are historical, religious considerations, that neither “advance or detract” from the States interest. The ACLU and others have even gone after those inconsequential issues too, with a vengeance.

For instance: The emblem for a California City contains a Catholic Chapel. A Cross on hill that has been there for decades. Even the Ten Commandments and Pledge of allegiance…

I don’t believe petty cases such as these merit such vehement attacks by Liberalism. Hence, the attack comes from somewhere much deeper and with a nefarious purpose?

Purveyor

purveyor said:
You mention you disagree with Roe v Wade? What about the progenitors, Griswold v Connecticut and Eisenstadt v Baird? They were based on an implied right to privacy. Does your wife or girlfriend use Birth Control?

I didn’t state that I disagree with Roe v Wade, just that there is no such language in the Constitution. However, I never conceded the Liberal claim that abortion was an issue of “privacy.” Abortion, IMO, is flagrant violation of our Constitutional right to life. Although I recognize the need for government to cede ownership and control of one’s body to the one occupying it, the fetus is clearly NOT the woman’s body to destroy at will. The issue of “privacy” was thrown up as a diversion in attempt to confuse the reality of legalizing murder as a “Constitutional choice.”

purveyor said:
Effectively, law should created and applied by reason. NOT, moral caprice.

Nonsense, my new found friend. All our laws are born of morality. You consider it immoral for me to steal your property and I consider it immoral for you to kill my brother. Morality is what separates civilized beings from savages, and therefore is the parent of “reason.” Beasts know no morality (reason) but live according to natural instincts, including but not limited to killing one’s own sibling or stealing a friend’s food.

Obfuscation of morality is a necessity for Liberals in order to give themselves permission to act immorally without guilt. But trying to cover one’s sh*t ala cats doesn’t make the sh*t disappear…………..it just allows the filth to exist unabated.

Davo said:
I didn’t state that I disagree with Roe v Wade, just that there is no such language in the Constitution. However, I never conceded the Liberal claim that abortion was an issue of “privacy.” Abortion, IMO, is flagrant violation of our Constitutional right to life. Although I recognize the need for government to cede ownership and control of one’s body to the one occupying it, the fetus is clearly NOT the woman’s body to destroy at will. The issue of “privacy” was thrown up as a diversion in attempt to confuse the reality of legalizing murder as a “Constitutional choice.”

Thus you disagree with Roe.

I asked if you could see, at least a hint of Roe, in the completely unrelated by substance, but related by “principle”: Olmstead v US?

The case was about wire taps. Of course, there were not telephones in 1787, yet… the Court expanded the interpretation of the Constitution. Just like another Court did in Eisenstadt, Griswold and Roe?

Olmstead was 6-3 decision, against the petitioner. Holmes, Brandeis (“the great dissenters”) along with Butler, were in the minority. However, their dissent in 1928, became the law of the land, soon enough.

I disagree with you about all law being based on Morality.

Question: What is the difference between Ethics and Morality?

Could ethics be born of the mind and intellect, while morality from the conscience, emotion and Religious inclination?

Where would you prefer laws be created from, Ethics or Morality?

Where did our Founders desire our laws come from?

Please don’t confuse my dialogue with being Liberal. I just realize that to fight one’s enemy, it is helpful to know your enemy. LOL

DAVO I chuckled when a photograph of Clint Eastwood, wrote: “per se” LOL No offense meant.

Also, will be gone on a Motorcycle ride for a while, So I will respond to any post you return, later.

The greatest and most influential defenders of the constitution of comme from the left not the right. Starting with Fredrick
douglas in the 1850s, ready is July 4th 1852 speech http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h2927.html through the Republican post Civil War congress to A Phillip Randolph during the 1930s through the 1960s. and then Thurgood Marshall who argued and won the most significant case in American history enforcing constitutional rights and interpreting the constitution, Brown v. The School board of Topeka Kansas. Due to pressure from the civil rights community and the left the Warren Court changed America from a oligarchy into a representative Democracy through countless decisions enforcing basic constitutional rights like the Gideon and Miranda cases. THe Congress during the 1960s passes the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 along with the Immigration Reform Act of 1965 all past by people on the left and opposed by conservatives enforcing basic rights found in the constitution

On July 4th Americans should actually take some time and learn some American history.

timcajun said:
Sanders Youth says:
This website is dangerous I am going to exit, good luck to everyone.
…………………………………………
Shane, come back Shane. Please keep posting just as you have been and don’t change a thing, please!

You’re starting to make me feel like I need a walker LOL … tho I am a 65 year old grandmother. But it’s not just me. He has searched personal information on other people and posted it. The reason I find him rather scary is that he posted over and over that I am a murderer because I am Hospice caregiver. Anyone who goes so far as to investigate those who don’t agree with them politically and then posts that information in a discussion forum seems abnormally invested to the degree that should not be taken lightly. Someone is stealing my real identity here and posting under my real name. You can see it was done again in this thread. Also my facebook page is closed to everyone but my friends so my account had to be hacked in order to gain certain information that is on my page. jddoubleu has posted personal information about others and has used the name jdubblu and jdubbellu to do it. I can understand that all of us can get heated at times doing verbal battle here but to continually call someone a murderer and want them to kill themselves seems totally out of bounds and yes, a bit scary. As I’ve said, I’m not the only one who has had these experiences with jddoubleu but for quite a while now he has not said much of anything here except to and about me. I don’t understand that kind of obsession with just another poster on the interwebs.

You think Alice’s story is funny? Really? The reason I exited last night is because there is a type of person that thinks bullying a 65 year old Hospice caregiver is funny, that calling her a murderer and hacking her facebook is funny.

I don’t think it is, I have urged Alice to go to the police I hope she does, cyberstalking isn’t funny there are too many stories that have ended tragically. My own experiences with cyberstalking ended with a man sitting in an Alabama county jail even as we speak.

I understand that there are unhinged people in the world and a lot of them are on the Right, I just think it is really sad and way out of bounds that this person did this to Alice and I realize this is not a safe website. Alice I hope you go to the police today and documented all of the harrassment.

Makes me sad that the people on the right do this kind of thing, bully elderly hospice caregivers.

Pablo said:
Why don’t you let him bash Republicans for you too, then? No, it’s just Obama about whom a cross word will not pass your keyboard.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

As for the Wall St. connection….Obama has been a complete phony sellout. Of course, he wouldn’t want to be too mean to one of his biggest campaign contributors now would he? I also especially enjoy his little champagne room for lobbyists that his admin keeps across the street. Transparency!

I have liberal beliefs, but I don’t owe a thing to Democrats. About 90% of them are hacks. Are you a lifelong supporter of every moron who plays/cheers for your favorite football team? I’m half tempted to write in Ron Paul in 2012.

And blind squirrel? You need to read him more often. He’s been consistently tearing down this mortgage thing for years, and nobody gets a pass.

purveyor said:
NORBIT,

First , allow me to say (not to you, but) that the anonymity of the I-net is not license to metaphorically beat up old ladies. Right or wrong, I feel guilt this morn.

Anyway. Dyson is a Professor of Sociology, Obama taught Law. Between the two them, they have irrevocably wrecked a number of young, potentially good minds.

Interpretivist (Hermeneutical) Law has by-products that, as we know, extends beyond the Courtroom.

Purveyor

I do hope many of you who either laughed or egged the person on who ended up bullying this elderly woman feel some guilt this morning, I feel sadness that this is what our discourse has come to.

I realize that this site is no longer fun when an elderly woman is harrassed called a murderer, hacked and told to please kill her self.

This is no longer fun and no longer a game. I implore Mediaite to do something about it, cause at this point if they don’t I am going to.

I have had a horrible experience with cyberbullying where a guy said he was going to murder me and my family, hacked my facebook and found out personal info on me and terrorized me and my friends for months. It is not funny and it isn’t a game. I bought a gun because of that guy and was ready to defend my family if something happened, fortunately the police arrested him.

Anyone who gets joy out of terrorizing a older woman, is a sick piece of filth who deserves jail time or worse in my opinion.

Step away from your partisan BS and think that this is a mother and a grandmother and feel shame.

Sanders, could you provide us a quote where tatboy said all black people are hateful?

tws258 said:
I agree I feel sorry for those that agree or side with scumbags .

I have no love for Mormons but I never threatened a grandmother with death.

purveyor said:
I disagree with you about all law being based on Morality.

Question: What is the difference between Ethics and Morality?

Could ethics be born of the mind and intellect, while morality from the conscience, emotion and Religious inclination?

Where would you prefer laws be created from, Ethics or Morality?

Where did our Founders desire our laws come from?

More obfuscation, Purveyor. There is no logic in complicating the issue of “ethics” and “morality”…………….they are effectively one and the same. Trying to create minutia to articulate is the mission of those committed to living behind a smoke screen of confusion. While our Constitution thankfully doesn’t provide for legislation of all morality (or ethics), all our laws are founded in morality and ethics. From which do the savages extract their “laws?” None, of course………………as I stated, they know no morality. Knowledge of good and evil (that knowledge emanating from our “conscience” or “soul”) is exclusive to humans and ordained by God..

Our founders (the overwhelming majority of them) stated that our Constitution is derived from the Word of God, and our laws are to be derived only from the Constitution. Therefore, the source of our laws is God Himself…………………the author of all morality whether acknowledged or not.

Sanders Youth said:
I have no love for Mormons but I never threatened a grandmother with death.

Sanders Youth said:
No you didn’t threaten her life I stand corrected

^^^^By your own admission neither did the person to whom you are referring .^^^^^

Sanders, could you quote where someone threatened her with death? You seem to be unable to come up with tatboy’s quote.

purveyor said:
PAUL G.

I know, and I agree. However, you know very well I have a “backbone.” I have come to view the Socialist’s as mostly, traitors. I believe my writing supports that.

I make my point, in such a way as to enlighten, convince or change minds. When people attack me, ‘first,” they will feel my wrath, as WORP, Glackin, BRUCE, WOOFIE , etc., has.

But, Alice, FREAK, VALKYRIE, a few others, don’t threaten me. I will engage them, then pull back.

Once in a while, they even say something interesting as did FREAK, the other night. I paid him a compliment, and THAT made ME feel good as much as I hope him, I am sure. (FREAK suffers a relatively functional, mental illness, seriously. I think it is evident, sometimes, in his Posts)

PAUL G. I consider you an ally. I know, at times, you supported me and quid pro quo. Thank you

Also, I appreciate your candor! LOL

Purveyor

I consider you an ‘ally’…That’s why I’m trying to give you a heads up. Alice 67, Boommoronalaka, AmericaSucks. ..Etc…Their Morons….BUT THEY SHOULD SCARE YOU!!!!…There are ‘American’ libturd morons that ACTUALLY believe the bullshit they spew…I don’t know for sure what’s in their heads..Outside of the penny a post, I take them at their word. They MAYBE believe what they type. VERY DANGEROUS!!! THEY ARE ‘”TRAITORS”.

purveyor said:
WORP,

You sit like a Boxer in his corner, eyes swollen shut. Or, a chess player who has just heard the word “check,” yet, knows it is really, “check mate.”

And YOU, deign to offer ME the hand of reconciliation?

I am the victorious Gladiator, who looks to his master as to whether, or not, his Master’s thumb signals your life, or death! (metaphorically, of course)

PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

Your reason is as unassailable as Goliath, you intellect soar amongst the clouds like Huberus, you mental might is equal to only the great and mighty Ozz you are as wise and as the mighty Mike Tyson and your arguments are so well constructed the Space Shuttle Challenger would be envious and your signature is as subtle as Mjolnir.

Just admit I have lifted your spirits and my victory is complete.(unlike the drama you joined with Alice Sanders and jddoubleu)

Davo said:
More obfuscation, Purveyor. There is no logic in complicating the issue of “ethics” and “morality”…………….they are effectively one and the same. Trying to create minutia to articulate is the mission of those committed to living behind a smoke screen of confusion. While our Constitution thankfully doesn’t provide for legislation of all morality (or ethics), all our laws are founded in morality and ethics. From which do the savages extract their “laws?” None, of course………………as I stated, they know no morality. Knowledge of good and evil (that knowledge emanating from our “conscience” or “soul”) is exclusive to humans and ordained by God..

Our founders (the overwhelming majority of them) stated that our Constitution is derived from the Word of God, and our laws are to be derived only from the Constitution. Therefore, the source of our laws is God Himself…………………the author of all morality whether acknowledged or not.

This is a complete falsehood and I dare you to find quotes from any of the signers to the constitution stating that. Why you you tell such an obvious lie?

SuperStar said:

When I posted that last night I didn’t know that he did infact threaten Alice with death, when he was stalking her on Facebook that came out later.

Seriously be very careful who you defend here.

Paul G said:
I consider you an ‘ally’…That’s why I’m trying to give you a heads up. Alice 67, Boommoronalaka, AmericaSucks. ..Etc…Their Morons….BUT THEY SHOULD SCARE YOU!!!!…There are ‘American’ libturd morons that ACTUALLY believe the bullshit they spew…I don’t know for sure what’s in their heads..Outside of the penny a post, I take them at their word. They MAYBE believe what they type. VERY DANGEROUS!!! THEY ARE ‘”TRAITORS”.

I dont give a shit if you disagree with me politically that is your right, it isn’t anyones right to threaten an eldery woman hack her etc.

In tatboy’s defense, I don’t believe he ever said that all black people are hateful.

Paul G said:
I consider you an ‘ally’…That’s why I’m trying to give you a heads up. Alice 67, Boommoronalaka, AmericaSucks. ..Etc…Their Morons….BUT THEY SHOULD SCARE YOU!!!!…There are ‘American’ libturd morons that ACTUALLY believe the bullshit they spew…I don’t know for sure what’s in their heads..Outside of the penny a post, I take them at their word. They MAYBE believe what they type. VERY DANGEROUS!!! THEY ARE ‘”TRAITORS”.

You call me a Traitor? You are a joke.

Resistance Is Futile said:
This is a complete falsehood and I dare you to find quotes from any of the signers to the constitution stating that. Why you you tell such an obvious lie?

Do you own homework, Dim……………I’ve done mine. I made the statement. Now, it’s your responsibility to provide proof of it being “false.” Let’s see what you’ve got.

Sanders Youth said:
When I posted that last night I didn’t know that he did infact threaten Alice with death, when he was stalking her on Facebook that came out later.
Seriously be very careful who you defend here.

Because Alice said it happened ? You’re a joke .

Sanders Youth said:
No you didn’t threaten her life I stand corrected

Sanders Youth said:
I dont give a shit if you disagree with me politically that is your right, it isn’t anyones right to threaten an eldery woman hack her etc.

What???? I don’t think I’ve ever given you the time of day….You’re just a peon..not even a Moron…I don’t care who ‘threatened who. But I did hear you were leaving…….

SuperStar said:
Because Alice said it happened ? You’re a joke .

Yes because she told me about the hacking of her facebook and how he wanted to kill her because she is a hospice provider and this demented person said she was a murderer. It’s cool it is all documented and will be reported to the police today.

And RRK told us that his mother was born in 1935, and he graduated law school in the sixties. Sometimes on the internet, people make things up.

Sanders Youth said:
Yes because she told me about the hacking of her facebook and how he wanted to kill her because she is a hospice provider and this demented person said she was a murderer. It’s cool it is all documented and will be reported to the police today.

So because Alice said that it happenened that makes it the truth ? Even the disbarred and disgraced former attorney armwood ( Resistence is Futile ) would have to agree that you are a joke .

Sanders Youth said:
Yes because she told me about the hacking of her facebook and how he wanted to kill her because she is a hospice provider and this demented person said she was a murderer. It’s cool it is all documented and will be reported to the police today.

dude you have no clue what you are talking about, just stfu before you make yourself look even dumber than you already do…

Resistance Is Futile said:

More obfuscation, Purveyor. There is no logic in complicating the issue of “ethics” and “morality”…………….they are effectively one and the same. Trying to create minutia to articulate is the mission of those committed to living behind a smoke screen of confusion. While our Constitution thankfully doesn’t provide for legislation of all morality (or ethics), all our laws are founded in morality and ethics. From which do the savages extract their “laws?” None, of course………………as I stated, they know no morality. Knowledge of good and evil (that knowledge emanating from our “conscience” or “soul”) is exclusive to humans and ordained by God..

Our founders (the overwhelming majority of them) stated that our Constitution is derived from the Word of God, and our laws are to be derived only from the Constitution. Therefore, the source of our laws is God Himself…………………the author of all morality whether acknowledged or not.

This is a complete falsehood and I dare you to find quotes from any of the signers to the constitution stating that. Why you you tell such an obvious lie?

Davo said:
Do your own homework, Dim……………I’ve done mine. I made the statement. Now, it’s your responsibility to provide proof of it being “false.” Let’s see what you’ve got.

‘Crickets.” That’s what I thought. Here’s a few morsels for you to gnaw on while you’r trying to think of a response:

“And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever.” –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 18, 1781

“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.” –John Adams, A Defense of the American Constitutions, 1787

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” –John Adams, Address to the Military , 1798

“The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for, among old parchments, or musty records. They are written, as with a sun beam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of the divinity itself; and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power.” –Alexander Hamilton, The Farmer Refuted, 1775

“It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they would be the sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please. Certainly no such universal power was meant to be given them. [The Constitution] was intended to lace them up straightly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect.” –Thomas Jefferson, Opinion on a National Bank, 1791

Let’s try that post again without the Dim style of screw-up with the quote button….

Resistance Is Futile said:

Davo said:
More obfuscation, Purveyor. There is no logic in complicating the issue of “ethics” and “morality”…………….they are effectively one and the same. Trying to create minutia to articulate is the mission of those committed to living behind a smoke screen of confusion. While our Constitution thankfully doesn’t provide for legislation of all morality (or ethics), all our laws are founded in morality and ethics. From which do the savages extract their “laws?” None, of course………………as I stated, they know no morality. Knowledge of good and evil (that knowledge emanating from our “conscience” or “soul”) is exclusive to humans and ordained by God..

Our founders (the overwhelming majority of them) stated that our Constitution is derived from the Word of God, and our laws are to be derived only from the Constitution. Therefore, the source of our laws is God Himself…………………the author of all morality whether acknowledged or not.

This is a complete falsehood and I dare you to find quotes from any of the signers to the constitution stating that. Why you you tell such an obvious lie?

Davo said:
Do your own homework, Dim……………I’ve done mine. I made the statement. Now, it’s your responsibility to provide proof of it being “false.” Let’s see what you’ve got.

‘Crickets.” That’s what I thought. Here’s a few morsels for you to gnaw on while you’r trying to think of a response:

“And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever.” –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 18, 1781

“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.” –John Adams, A Defense of the American Constitutions, 1787

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” –John Adams, Address to the Military , 1798

“The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for, among old parchments, or musty records. They are written, as with a sun beam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of the divinity itself; and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power.” –Alexander Hamilton, The Farmer Refuted, 1775

“It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they would be the sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please. Certainly no such universal power was meant to be given them. [The Constitution] was intended to lace them up straightly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect.” –Thomas Jefferson, Opinion on a National Bank, 1791

Sanders Youth said:
It’s cool it is all documented and will be reported to the police today.

waiting for your links…

Sanders Youth said:
I have no love for Mormons

Sanders Youth said:
There is no such thing as bigotry against Mormon’s they deserve it.

Actually you ‘re more than just a joke .You’re a self- confessed bigoted joke .

SuperStar said:
Actually you ‘re more than just a joke .You’re a self- confessed bigoted joke .

Another Idiot…He’s just another one to put on the ‘Do Not Respond Too.’

FYI i reported sanders for hacking my myspace today…

FBI should be kicking in his door in 5,4,3,2,1

Sanders, I’ll help you out. When asked to provide any facts, just answer like RRK does. “I elect not to.”

Davo said:
“And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever.” –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 18, 1781

So it was God who ordained that Thomas Jefferson repeatedly rape and impregnate his teenaged Black Slave Sally Hemmings?

–Cobra

Cobra said:
So it was God who ordained that Thomas Jefferson repeatedly rape and impregnate his teenaged Black Slave Sally Hemmings?

its not rape if you own them, idiot!

lmao

Cobra said:
So it was God who ordained that Thomas Jefferson repeatedly rape and impregnate his teenaged Black Slave Sally Hemmings?

Is that what you got out of that? That’s just bizzare, Darren.

The Constitution is a legal document. It is NOT a living document subject to the whims of whatever political party that happens to be in power. If it were meant to be a “living-document”, what would be the purpose of having a Constitution at all?! Why not just make it up as you go along?
The Constitution is contractual restraints imposed upon this government. It is not, a malleable instrument to be used by this government to impose it’s will upon the people.

The Constitution is not a living document and should never be changed in any way. Liberals are always looking for a way to subvert to Constitution to fit their agenda of liberalism which will turn this nation into chaos. Our latest presidents have encouraged the liberal agenda by not securing our borders or deporting illegal aliens and interfering with states rights. Every war we have been involved in since WW2 has been illegal and we have taken many lives of innocent people that we called collateral damage and were no threat to our freedom. There is so much waste in government that it’s bringing our country down, there is no purpose for the EPA, Commerce Dept. Education Dept, these are provided by the states which can do a much better job locally. Older citizens have paid into S.S. all their lives and untill president Johnson raided it, their money was secured in a lock box. Now it is considered part of the national debt. If cutbacks are required, start in Washington, get rid of the automatic raises for congress and the armed forces which have 900 bases in foreign countries. The president and congress want to scare their senior constituents into believing their S.S. checks will be cut if the debt cieling isn’t raised, there are plenty of other unnecessary government programs and services that can be cut and I just named a few there are many more.

I believe that we need but take literally our Constitution. I believe that our Founding Fathers
were inspired to establish our Republic. I am very concerned about those who would
move ‘U.S.’ to socialism, markism or anything else versus capitalism. These other forms
of governments have failed and other countries are moving to capitalism while many are
trying to move ‘U.S.’ away from capitalism. As my teenagers used to say:
“DUH, HELLO, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE!”

CAconservative said:
The Constitution is a legal document. It is NOT a living document subject to the whims of whatever political party that happens to be in power. If it were meant to be a “living-document”, what would be the purpose of having a Constitution at all?! Why not just make it up as you go along?

Exactly right. Similarly, as we continue to raise the debt ceiling to Democrat demands, that means there is NO debt ceiling at all. Democrat heaven……………spending unlimited by available rescources.

Spike1 said:
The Constitution is not a living document and should never be changed in any way. Liberals are always looking for a way to subvert to Constitution to fit their agenda of liberalism which will turn this nation into chaos.

Well, the Constitution was written with the facility to be modified, with great difficulty as a moderator. But you’re right that Liberals either pervert or disregard anything they deem necessary in their advancement of anti-*****can Communism.

One must only take a glance at California or Detroit to see the unavoidable results of unbridled Liberalsim the anti-*****can Left dreams of reducing our entire nation down to…………………presumably to meet their mentally disordered notion of “fairness.” The leaders are doing this deliberately………………..and their followers are called “Dims” for good reason.

Davo said:

Our founders (the overwhelming majority of them) stated that our Constitution is derived from the Word of God, and our laws are to be derived only from the Constitution. Therefore, the source of our laws is God Himself…………………the author of all morality whether acknowledged or not.

“Obfuscate”?

Have I been insulted?

“Our Civil Liberties are no more dependent on our religious opinions, anymore than our religious opinions are dependent on physics and geometry” (Thomas Jefferson)

“We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.”

Mr. Jefferson and his contemporaries were men of the “enlightenment,” also referred to as “The age of Reason.”

Yet, DAVO, as you are a religious man, you typically, and dogmatically assert, that “all law is based on morality.”

The Founders were products of the age of reason, who, also, were religious men, as men of that era tended to be.

Moreover, the Founders were the progeny of millennia of religious totalitarianism, hence, they were wary of Religion.

Anyway, I was polite not to lecture you on my thesis, rather, I asked you many questions, hoping you would either draw you own conclusions, or have the social graces to ask me questions, to clarify. Unfortunately, you seem to have swept away my question on Roe and Olmstead, TWICE. So too, you suggested I was obfuscating with minutiae by comparing ethics and morality. Have you ever read Plato and Dialectic philosophy? (I believe you erroneously thought I was threatening your religious beliefs) Sigh.

In conclusion, I assert the Founders were almost desperate to reconcile their religiosity and their intellect, their God given intellect!

That by fashioning a Constitution and subsequent Statutes based on “REASON,” which, coincidentally would satisfy their religious inclinations. The result, the first Nation in the History of mankind to have Governance based on reason (ethics)

Note: The reverse is not necessarily true, as moral social dilemmas vary by religious perspective. Do you agree? Furthermore, “Reason” will almost always tell us that “Life, liberty and property” are axiomatic.

This only a fragment of a thesis I have written and updated over the years. It is known as “Neutral Principle.”

Judge Robert Bork first exposed me to such.

Purveyor

Paul G said:
I consider you an ‘ally’…That’s why I’m trying to give you a heads up. Alice 67, Boommoronalaka, AmericaSucks. ..Etc…Their Morons….BUT THEY SHOULD SCARE YOU!!!!…There are ‘American’ libturd morons that ACTUALLY believe the bullshit they spew…I don’t know for sure what’s in their heads..Outside of the penny a post, I take them at their word. They MAYBE believe what they type. VERY DANGEROUS!!! THEY ARE ‘”TRAITORS”.

Believe me, some on the Left do ‘worry’ me, However, they should be very scared of me!

In fact, I’ll be shooting my Colt 1911 at the range tomorrow! LOL (15 yards, very tight groups).

The second amendment is not so much about crime, rather, is about Tyranny!

Thanks Paul G.

Cobra said:
So it was God who ordained that Thomas Jefferson repeatedly rape and impregnate his teenaged Black Slave Sally Hemmings?

–Cobra

COBRA,

Do you really believe that YOU are what MLK had in mid as his progeny?

Hey Michael, the only reason why you are a professor is because white people gave you affirmative action. I’ve seen you speak and you are a moron.

“Perineum”: 1.) The portion of the body occupied by the urogenital passages and rectum.

2.) The region between the anus and scrotum, in males.

If you can use “perineum” in a sentence, you get a cookie

Davo said:
Exactly right. Similarly, as we continue to raise the debt ceiling to Democrat demands, that means there is NO debt ceiling at all. Democrat heaven……………spending unlimited by available rescources. Well, the Constitution was written with the facility to be modified, with great difficulty as a moderator. But you’re right that Liberals either pervert or disregard anything they deem necessary in their advancement of anti-*****can Communism. One must only take a glance at California or Detroit to see the unavoidable results of unbridled Liberalsim the anti-*****can Left dreams of reducing our entire nation down to…………………presumably to meet their mentally disordered notion of “fairness.” The leaders are doing this deliberately………………..and their followers are called “Dims” for good reason.

Why are the letters “Ameri” getting censored?

COBRA,

Do you know who it is giving me thumbs down? HLO (Haughty Laugh Out Loud) New phrase

purveyor said:
“Perineum”: 1.) The portion of the body occupied by the urogenital passages and rectum. 2.) The region between the anus and scrotum, in males. If you can use “perineum” in a sentence, you get a cookie

My perineum burns!

purveyor said:
Unfortunately, you seem to have swept away my question on Roe and Olmstead, TWICE. So too, you suggested I was obfuscating with minutiae by comparing ethics and morality. Have you ever read Plato and Dialectic philosophy? (I believe you erroneously thought I was threatening your religious beliefs) Sigh.

In conclusion, I assert the Founders were almost desperate to reconcile their religiosity and their intellect, their God given intellect!

“We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS.” Who can argue the meaning of that beginning to our founding Declaration, or it being the basis for our laws? Intellect is indeed “God given.” But He never intended that gift to be used apart from His guidance. And no, you don’t threaten my religious beliefs………………..that would require an insecurity I don’t suffer from.

Since you cited Roe and Olmstead in support of the “privacy” issue, I assumed my response concerning Roe would suffice in addressing both as being extra-Constitutional, as literally ANYTHING could be excused as a ‘privacy issue.’ What more do you need than my stated rejection of the notion of abortion being a “Constitutional right” and my explanation of why I consider it a gross breach of our Constitutional right to life?

Sorry you’re upset that I don’t adopt your style of communication. That isn’t necessary in order for me to understand your position…………………. I identified you in your first post just as I presume you did me as well. You also seem more irritable than when we first posted. Maybe you inhaled too much CO on your bike ride…………….I prefer sports cars, myself.

LAPhil said:
My perineum burns!

Where’s that cookie?

purveyor, I must amend my statement concerning Olmstead as it’s been a while since I discussed it. My memory had me reversing the roles and I incorrectly had Olmstead as being vindicated by the court’s decision. Nevertheless, I remain opposed to creative interpretations and over-complications of the Constitution, as those are only useful for it’s circumvention.

Yes, I was irritated by what I perceive as condescension, followed by feigned innocence.

Our debate had evolved into whether Law should be predicated on Reason (ethics) or Morality (religious caprice)

You had claimed “all law was based on morality”. Conversely, (re-cap) I demonstrated, quoting Mr. Jefferson and the Declaration of Independence, coupled with the historical consideration of the age of enlightenment. Which had been preceded by 2000 years of religious despotism, making the Founders wary of overt Religiosity. Hence, the founders were avoiding morally based law, preferring Reason, instead.

Curiously, in your last reply, you never mentioned such, the main debate, the meat and potatoes. Why not just concede the point?

Also, you suggested I was “obfuscating,” when, in fact, I was offering a substantive discussion on ethics, morals and law. In fact DAVO, you “obfuscated” when belittled such, Why did you do that?

Sir, that topic and that discussion is an essential part of legal philosophy, and I have concluded you fear such? It is called Neutral principle (equal protection) and is advocated by a Professor Wechsler and acknowledged by Judge Bork, etc. Regardless, You boldly stated: Law is based on morality, as if such was now codified. I beg to differ. Furthermore, I assert Religion has no place in Judicial and legislative decisions for these same reasons, i.e., REASON, makes for better law.

Regarding the relationship between the cases of Roe and Olmstead. You apparently caught yourself as I was not referring to “penumbral” privacy. Rather, I was referring to expanding Constitutional interpretation. Therefore, by your logic, Olmstead should have remained the law of the land and the Government could tap Phones and communications at their whim?

That was my point. The Constitution has been way over advanced lately. However, the document is NOT an inflexible monolith! Better Justices would improve things, mightily. Moreover, lower Courts should be more selective.

I do not think we are that far apart. I just think you did not ‘actively’ read and consider my thesis.

Regarding motorsports. I have been involved with Motorcycles, and the business of Motorcycles. I spent 4 years Racing Superbike, professionally, in the early 80s. I have raced at Daytona, Elkhart Lake, Mid Ohio etc.

I took a Driving school once at Road America, open wheel. FUNNNNN!

Is this dipwad a “Costitutional law” professor like Barack? Have either of them even read the document? I understand it does have big words in it but as professors, I would assume they could find a dictionary.

Silly question…If B Hussein was indeed a law professor, why is it that no former student has ever stepped forward claiming the prezidunt as a teacher? You would think it would be a bragging point…

Dyson is absolutely correct. No one had any concern for quoting the Constitution when Bush was president, or Reagan for that matter. Is that because Bush and Reagan were perfect followers of the Constitution? Nope. It is because as long as a Republican was president, they didn’t worry about it. Now, they need an excuse to attack, and they make up “violations” that do not exist.

Dr. Dyson is a lunatic! The Constitution is not flexible, it may not be “interpreted” to mean anything other than what the words say. There is, however, a means to legally change the Constitution but it’s not at the whim of the party in power at the time any change is desired. When the powers that be try to do so, they are breaching their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, and there are specifications within our body of laws to address those attempts.

An intellectual debate with Michael Eric Dyson? You’ve got to be kidding me. More like an elitist liberal debate. You want to hear someone talk elitist bullcrap, then this is the guy you want to hear. It’s scary how many liberal morons like this jerk are in positions of power at our nation’s colleges.

purveyor said:
I do not think we are that far apart. .

That may be true. But you tend to over-complicate the simple, IMO. It’s been my experience that those desiring to circumvent the law frequently complicate it in order to do so. Maybe I wrongly categorized you as such. I do maintain, though, that our founders credited God as the source of our laws and liberty, and provided documentation (to a less-prepared poster) in support.

If you’re trying to get me to admit that religious dogma has no place in our legal system, then rest assured. Perhaps the “fear of religion” as you put it was a different topic altogether for the framers, as we are all aware of the perversion and abuse of God’s Word throughout history. That, however, has no effect on it;’s truth and accuracy, and little on those dedicated to adherence.

Your question was to the source of our laws and I readily recognize God as that source, as did our founders. Sorry you find offense at the term “obfuscation” but separating atoms between molecules of “ethics” and “morality” is nothing more than academic confusion, IMO. How can there exist ethics without morality? You seem to equate “morality” with “religion,” both in that context as well as the founders’ mindset. Not so, anymore than Conservatives equate to Republicans………………………and I’m here to testify to that difference.

Davo said:
“We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS.” Who can argue the meaning of that beginning to our founding Declaration, or it being the basis for our laws?

Jefferson originally wrote that as “We hold these truths to be SACRED and undeniable…” Franklin tweaked it. :)

One of the things most lacking in this site is the ability to make private contact with another poster in order to continue a discussion after the news story dies of old age. There have been others I would have liked to carry on further dialogue with, and this would be one of those times. Lemme know if you know of any available facility.

Davo said:

One of the things most lacking in this site is the ability to make private contact with another poster in order to continue a discussion after the news story dies of old age. There have been others I would have liked to carry on further dialogue with, and this would be one of those times. Lemme know if you know of any available facility.

Sadly, and apparently, I have a diminished ability to discern insightful commentary, from sarcasm. The sometimes silly combat in this forum, may be the culprit? Ya think?

About a week ago I proposed that very idea (“further dialogue”) to my 84 year old mother. I was telling her how, on occasion I meet people that transcend the basic format of a Forum. How I wished there was a safe, clearinghouse, so to speak, for people wishing to do such?

Maybe we need a DATING SERVICE? LOL

Lastly, please do not think (assume) my purpose is to “circumvent,” the law. I am trying to reconcile and explain the process of God to man, the Man to Law, hence, codification. I seek a solution. Wechsler’s and Bork’s discussion of Neutral Principle opened my mind, way back in 1992. Ouch!

I am very much a Conservative and my Posts indicate such. However, this weekend, when I ventured down this path, um, er, I confused a few people…

One more thing: I bet you’d like to hear my thesis on “Economic Treason”?

“A private economic decision or action, that affects our Nation’s economics, or, National Security”

DAVO,

Have you ever read “Miracle at Philadelphia,” by Catherine Drinker Brown?

As I read her book, this once young (Freshman) agnostic, had to admit, that a Miracle had, indeed, taken place.

purveyor said:
DAVO,

Have you ever read “Miracle at Philadelphia,” by Catherine Drinker Brown?

As I read her book, this once young (Freshman) agnostic, had to admit, that a Miracle had, indeed, taken place.

Never heard of it. But then, I was in my late 40′s before I ever heard of “The Road to Serfdom,” by F.A. Hayek. The media statists did a great job of keeping it hidden from view.

‘Economic Treason’ is what’s happening as we now speak. While coincidences do occasionally occur, they are on the bottom of my “possible causes” list. The virtual verbatim adherence to instructions by Clower and PIven, William Ayers, and Karl Marx that our resident Communist-in-Chief subscribes to is NO coincidence. Nevertheless, I WOULD like to hear your analysis. Where? Maybe we’ll meet up on some other thread.

Gotta go to work now, elderly sports car firmly bolted to my butt. I’ll be back online for a while tonite.

I love it. One group says, if you want to change the Constitution, fine–just pass an amendment. The other group says we can just say the Constitution means whatever we want it to mean. Like liberals everywhere, Dyson is in the latter group, accusing the former of “hijacking the Constitution.”

X-3 said:
Dr. Dyson is a lunatic! The Constitution is not flexible, it may not be “interpreted” to mean anything other than what the words say. There is, however, a means to legally change the Constitution but it’s not at the whim of the party in power at the time any change is desired. When the powers that be try to do so, they are breaching their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, and there are specifications within our body of laws to address those attempts.

To say that the Constitution is not flexible is to claim that the Founding Fathers, or if you prefer the authors of the Constitution, foresaw every possible contingency that would occur 200 years later and beyond. It is the brilliance of the creators of the Constitution that they did not try to make ever law and regulation that could be needed. As an example, we do not need to amend the Constitution to authorize a Federal Aviation Administration who’s primary job is to ensure that aircraft are safe to operate, that those who fly and maintain them meet safety standards, and that air and ground collisions are prevented to the extent that is possible.

This is obvious, but some would say that there is no mention of the FAA in the Constitution, therefore it is unconstitutional. That is the definition of “not flexible.”

george L said:
As an example, we do not need to amend the Constitution to authorize a Federal Aviation Administration who’s primary job is to ensure that aircraft are safe to operate, that those who fly and maintain them meet safety standards, and that air and ground collisions are prevented to the extent that is possible.

Promote the general welfare. (Not to be confused with the modernists argument to promote the general welfare state!)

Providing health care to all would certainly be considered promoting the general welfare. Therefore, it is clearly not unconstitutional. Taking it further, how is a “general welfare state” unconstitutional? I’m not saying it is a good idea. That is a separate debate. I’m just saying it is not unconstitutional by using your argument.

george L said:
Providing health care to all would certainly be considered promoting the general welfare. Therefore, it is clearly not unconstitutional. Taking it further, how is a “general welfare state” unconstitutional? I’m not saying it is a good idea. That is a separate debate. I’m just saying it is not unconstitutional by using your argument.

The inclusions of the provision of the general welfare clause CLEARLY do not include health care. One’s health is one’s personal responsibility.

This link might help you. http://www.lawandliberty.org/genwel.htm