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Rachel Maddow: Rick Perry’s 2012 Run Is Power Grab For Christian Conspiracy Group

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Texas Governor Rick Perry‘s prayer event “The Response last weekend raised plenty of eyebrows for coming on the heels of much presidential speculation, and for featuring a number of pastors with some controversial views. On her program tonight, Rachel Maddow tried to find the common thread among these pastors, and she argues it is not that they have all “just had a moment where they said something that sounded strange.” They are members of the New Apostolic Reformation, she argued: a small religious group plotting world domination.

Maddow noted that for Perry to have invited many of the characters that appeared at his event was enough of a threat to any potential campaign– not because of the prayer itself, but “the risk for his President campaign was… that the particular stadium prayer event he held was with these guys.” She then played a montage of clips in which the pastors warned of the “whore of Babylon” and the threat of Oprah Winfrey and several other extreme comments. “These are not just one-off comments,” she argued, “they are saying things that are sounding a lot like each other.” The thematic similarities, she noted, were because they were all part of the New Apostolic Reformation, a group of “modern day prophets and apostles” who “believe they have a direct line to God.”

This information she got from an extensive article in the Texas Observer that explained the group was out to take over the government in order to make the world ready for the Rapture. Their goals, Maddow explained, were to conquer “the seven mountains of society: family, religion, arts and entertainment, media, education, business, and government.” That last one, she argued, was Perry’s domain to conquer.

While it is true there are similar narratives to these Christian sermons and Perry is intent on gaining the presidency, there’s just something a little too “Illuminati” about a small group of religious leaders plotting to take over the world. That’s not to say it may or may not be true– certainly there hasn’t been enough journalism released on the matter to take a stand– but arguing that a self-appointed elite is trying to take over the world always carries the risk of sounding a little off, especially in the context of a Presidential election.

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  • Anonymous

    People still listen to this dude?  How many times has he lied to his audience, and he’s STILL on the air?

  • Anonymous
  • Tigerprez

    Looks like Maddow has some Glenn Beck conspiracy envy. Too bad she has no audience and about as much credibility as a Stephen Colbert attack ad.

  • Darladoon

    she’s actually within like 20-30,000 of hannity on friday night

  • Anonymous

    You probably expect me to click on your little link….ain’t gonna happen.

  • Anonymous

    OK that’s my new avatar.  I love it!

  • Anonymous

    Anyone remember the time she looked really hard into Obama’s old church with the Rev. Wright and how Obama started his political career in the home of a terrorist and later pretended he didn’t know him……?

  • http://twitter.com/LippyBroad lippybroad

    As a non-church goer, I’ll ask one question…

    Does HIS preacher tell America it had what was coming to it on 9/11?

    Does HIS preacher scream about ‘God Damn Americans’?

    Oh, HIS preacher never said those things?

    Hmm, Then I guess I really don’t give a rip with this bitter cow has to say.

  • Anonymous

    Listen DarlaLoon, you can’t be a little bit in last place.  You either are or you aren’t, and he almost always is.

  • Darladoon

    wow, perry is scary

  • http://twitter.com/LippyBroad lippybroad

    And why the eff when I refresh this page do I see a stillshot photo of some dude’s hairy junk?

    Geezus, Mediate, get your act together. That’s sick and wrong.

  • Anonymous

    Yea he loves his country, something completely foreign to libs like you.

  • Darladoon

    those christian leaders make reverend wright look like mr. rogers

  • Darladoon

    cindy jacobs?!  whoa!

    did you see that woman??

    she was the mover/shaker behind ‘the response’?  

  • Greg

    The Observer article is a must read… I have linked it here multiple time since it’s initial publish. Perry and his fellow fundamentalists are at odds with modern governance. They should be kept at bay.

  • Greg

    The Observer article is a must read… I have linked it here multiple time since it’s initial publish. Perry and his fellow fundamentalists are at odds with modern governance. They should be kept at bay.

  • unmutual

    Are you telling me that anyone is going to give two sh!ts about any candidates religion after Obama spent 20 years in an anti American pro socialist church? The bar has been set pretty low.

    Obama certainly can’t run on his record so he’s got to go ugly…and Rachel knows ugly.

  • Darladoon

    maddow’s argument here is actually incredibly well-researched, thorough, etc

    i don’t see why more conservatives don’t appreciate her skill, point of view…

    she can debate with anyone, blow for blow

    and has done so

    she runs circles around most of them

  • http://twitter.com/LippyBroad lippybroad

    It’s funny how Perry’s religion and grades are fair play.

    A guy NOT EVEN IN THE RACE.

    Yet, King Putt is the nominee in 2008 and we don’t even get a peek into the Rhodes Scholar’s transcripts.

    Oh wait, he wasn’t Rhodes. He probably would spell it Roads Skaler. 

    Progs have no religion (yet they crave it). How else do you explain Chicago Jesus. Built up a guy with NO track record of ANYTHING.

    And what do you have to show for it? Our laughter. We laugh and point at your stupidity for buying into Affirmative Action Jackson.

  • Greg

    Actually, the fundamentalist mind detests America. They imagine the majority of their fellow citizens as literally inthralled with Satan’s work… The only solution a return to textual purity.

  • Darladoon

    that’s funny, dude.  you’re a cool, smart guy.

    and she’s a rhodes scholar, dude

    and she also (not that it matters), is within 20,000 viewers of hannity on friday

    also, she probably wouldn’t mind if you referred to her as a dude, dude

    she’s kinda, you know, way ahead of you on that one….

  • Anonymous

    maddow and beck should go on tour together

  • Anonymous

    But he has been proven to be a consistent liar, so none of that really matters. :)

  • http://twitter.com/LippyBroad lippybroad

    I’m sorry who is she running circles around?

    She can’t even find Indiana on a map.

    It’s sad. At least brainy girls have something going for them when they’ve been bitten by the fug bug.

    This broad is 0 for 2.

  • Anonymous

    What?  You didn’t have any KKK pictures to post in order to prove how much more libs love the country than conservatives?  You’re slacking Greggy.

  • Anonymous

    Let me make a little suggestion:  Mediaite would have more credibility if it didn’t turn every article about every Republican candidate into a hit piece.   Maybe a few articles on the actual policy positions of these candidates would be appropriate, no?  That is, unless Mediaite wants to get a reputation as cheap shot artists doing dirty work for the DNC.

    Note that:

    Every article that Mediaite runs on Rick Perry attacks him for his Christian beliefs. 

    None of them mention that most of the jobs created in the United States
    during the last decade were created in Texas under Perry’s leadership. 

    Just coincidence?  You be the judge….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ECYBIXNKAG5E46BC3GCJQPA7CQ well_its_no_cannibal_holocaust

    “Texas is a unique place. When we came into the union in 1845, one of
    the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that,”
    Perry said. “My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays
    attention. We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to
    dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the
    American people, who knows what may come of that.”- Rick Perry Governor of Texas

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ECYBIXNKAG5E46BC3GCJQPA7CQ well_its_no_cannibal_holocaust

    Rick Perry has about as much chance of being President as Ru Paul.

  • Darladoon

    how did she lie here?

    name a specific claim that she made that was false

  • Anonymous

    shit, then we will be down to 56 states

  • Anonymous

    Yes?

  • Darladoon

    you really should do a keyword search on mediaite for “maddow hannity viewers friday”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ECYBIXNKAG5E46BC3GCJQPA7CQ well_its_no_cannibal_holocaust

    If you are a non-church goer and you support this idiot, you are stupider than I thought.

  • Darladoon

    he loves his country.  

    and……i don’t?

    because i find it a little creepy watching a potential president leading a prayer
    rally in a gigantic football stadium?

  • Darladoon

    he loves his country.  

    and……i don’t?

    because i find it a little creepy watching a potential president leading a prayer
    rally in a gigantic football stadium?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1431811538 Josh Kim

    Rick Perry is a lot like that character from Stephen King’s novel The Dead Zone. In it, this former bible salesman (which Rick Perry was) wins political office and eventually becomes President. The results are catastrophic to the world. It may just be a novel, but it’s eerily similar.

  • Darladoon

    yeah people LOVE that in a president!!

  • Darladoon

    there is absolutely no substance whatsoever in your response

  • http://twitter.com/LippyBroad lippybroad

     Why because I want all my UNEMPLOYED neighbors to have a chance at a job?

    With Obma we get flash mobs and London.

  • Anonymous

    Surely you meant “Perry is Scerry.”

    :-)

  • Anonymous

    i will just look at last night’s ratings , thanks

  • Anonymous

    I never said you didn’t, but you voted for Obama who campaigned on fundamentally transforming America from what makes it great.   Of course you find it creepy, MSNBC told you to find it creepy.

  • Darladoon

    this is like the drunken rant of some paranoid midwestern working class stiff sitting
    at the end of the bar every night, whining about obama and socialism, sucking the 
    government tit, and yet completely unaware of it

  • Darladoon

    friday night, dude.  FRIDAY night.  

  • Anonymous

    Shhhh… All the whities at msnbc know that Wright’s “church” isn’t a church at all, it’s a gathering point for racists and anti-American jerk-off’s to pop off at “the man”. That’s why the libbies are perfectly okay with Obama’s “religion”. Wink, wink…

  • Anonymous

    I thought the ‘whore of Babylon’ was Maddow. Did she piss off God? I saw some birds fall out of the sky after choking on some lib propaganda. You hate birds, don’t you? Pettifog much Maddow?  
     

  • Anonymous

    Rachel Maddow just discovered Apostolic Christians… as if this is profound. This is not some “shadow” group or some massive conspiracy. Don’t ALL Christians believe they have a direct line to God – called prayed? The prophetic is not new to Christians either – what do you think Moses was or for that matter Jesus? 

    So Romney is ‘weird’..(because he is Mormon) now possible Candidate Perry is part of an shadow Christian organization whose end game is world domination…I get the Obama re-election committee  is desperate, but they are going way out on a limb to disparage religion, I almost prefer the mocking bluntness of the last election cycle, ya remember – “they cling to their guns and religion”.

  • Darladoon

    again, no substance

  • Greg

    Still upset that history refuses to slide easily into your ridiculous frame? Poor fellow… Facts simply refuse to befriend those who abuse them.

  • Darladoon

    damn!!

  • Anonymous

    OK just to indulge you, I took a gander and unless I’m missing something Maddow is behind both CNN and Fox News, in every age group.

    http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/08/08/cable-news-ratings-for-friday-august-5-2011/99879/

    The only way she could have conceivably beat Hannity is if you count her reruns.

  • DEFENDER-90

    Listening to her you would never belive she came frome strong catholic perents.Well mostly here mother.

    Our lady of grace.Somerset Ave.Castro Valley.Those were the days yes Rachel.

  • Anonymous

    Naw, I don’t really get upset, just tired of the feeble attempts of you libs to try and paint others as racists for not conforming with your narrow view of the world.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent!

  • Darladoon

    friday night with hannity

    localize your search

    check last friday, and the previous, say, 4 fridays

  • Anonymous

    That’s a good way to avoid responding, I’m gonna have to remember that one.

    How’s it go?

    No substance!  Right?

  • Anonymous

    wow, 1 night, unbelievable

  • Darladoon
  • Anonymous

    Yea, I’ll get right on that.  I have a better idea, why don’t you show me the numbers that you claim she had.

  • Anonymous

    I wouldn’t count RuPaul out in this election cycle.  Hey – it could happen!

  • Darladoon

    she didn’t have to, everyone else already took care of that

    and even if she DID look into it, she wouldn’t find anything, because
    there ISN’T anything to find!

    reverend wright?  seriously?  what’s soooooooo bad about that guy?

    and when you say “started his political career in the house of a terrorist”
    what you really mean to say “kinda sorta knew a guy who used to be a
    60s radical, but ended up moderating and becoming a successful academic”

    who f*cking cares?!

  • Greg

    You are confusing two related but separate things. Private prayer is not the same as coordinated effort to install Christian rule… The following Harpers piece from 2003 provides necessary context.

    http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525

  • Darladoon

    you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about

    ratings ebb and flow, like the score of a close, never-ending baseball game

    to reach the mighty hannity on friday, is obviously a big deal

    or are you in denial about the fact that hannity is, in fact, a “first place team”
    like the yankees?

  • Darladoon

    link is above

  • SNAPTIE

    Hannity was on Vacation And still can’t beat the replacement host. Tuesday she was killed,as all of MSDNC.The Official Talking points Channel of The Democratic Party. http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/the-scoreboard-tuesday-august-9-2_b80061

  • Greg

    @Fsnook

    Except that did not happen… But again you prove stubborn and happy as victim.

  • Anonymous
  • Darladoon

    he said “god damn america!”

    not “americans”

    and most americans feel that america was asking for it (also see:  ron paul)

    he said “we’ve been bombing them for 20 years”

  • Darladoon

    london was caused by a police murder, and austerity cuts

    obama had nothing to do with london

  • Anonymous

    dont watch hannity, she is what second wow, and glad you use the demo numbers , lol

  • Anonymous

    You do realize that last Friday night Hannity ran a pre-taped episode of an hour interview with disgraced former governor of SC?  I knew there would have to be some reason.

  • Darladoon

    he’s not with a small, radical, militant group, dude

    that’s “moderated”

    he probably wears ugly sweaters, reads tons of books, and keeps to himself most of
    the time

  • Anonymous

    That’s for teabaggers just like…

    You know what?  It’s just way too easy!

    Moving along…

  • Darladoon

    republican definition of “hit piece”:  video and/or audio of candidate saying things
    in public

  • SNAPTIE

    This here tells you how Maddow lies. No company can build this on spec’s and expect to make a profit on it.Hate to bust your bubble Maddow i made a profit from work that my company did on it. The general contractor was paid a $9.5 million dollar bonus for completing early. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjcNjTRg7wc lies,lies,lies,lies.

  • Anonymous

    That sounded like something straight from Sharpton’s racist teleprompter.  Well done.

  • SNAPTIE

    Hannity was on Vacation And still can’t beat the replacement host.

  • NeverWrong

    Randy Madcow passing judgment on someone…too funny! Why are you not talking about you gays and lezzies, Mr. Madcow? PMSnbc really jhas some doozies as their talking idiots.

  • Anonymous

    He loves his country except when he’s talking secession.

  • Darladoon

    again, it’s not about one night

    it’s about the ebb and flow, like horses in an indefinite neck and neck race….

    think guys, think

  • Texan

    As a Texan, Rick Perry scares me to death. What scares me more? Going to Houston for a prayer rally? Nope. The People that were on that stage with him……The New Apostolic Reformation evangelists! The Statue of Liberty is an pagan idol from France? What? That the the evangelists believe they are here to prepare us for the rapture!!!!!! OMG!! Rick Perry was not a millionaire when he came to office here, but brother he is now. He and his good ole boy buddies. How he got re-elected has millions of Texans reeling and wondering. This New Apostolic Reformation is a cult. Perrys job for them is to secure the Presidency……they will take over the other “6″ areas to control basically everything else.

  • Texan

    I do, ebb and flow. ;)

  • Anonymous

    Don’t forget it’s Parry.

  • Anonymous

    true darla, and most nights she is not even a close second…..but dont let facts get in the way

  • Anonymous

    but … it’s so deeply shallow.

  • Anonymous

    But Maddow’s so smart, that can’t be.  Rhodes Scholar I’ll have you know!

  • Anonymous

    Only if he’s in the GOTP.

  • Anonymous

    No…I’m gonna’ stick with terrorist.
    Setting off pipe bombs qualifies you for that  label.
    Obama knew him very well and their wives worked together.
    They were good friends.
    Do you seriously think Ayers picked some stranger to oversee the Annenberg Challenge ?

    Not only did he pal around with terrorists he lied about it.

  • Anonymous

    Piss off God?  I think your thinking of Santa.  He’s the one that answers childish requests and keeps naughty and nice lists. :)

  • Texan

    ROFLMBAO, ebb and flow!

  • http://twitter.com/LippyBroad lippybroad

    and you saw none of the clips of rioters calling for wealth redistribution?

    as for the flash mobs in the US, you do know that’s more than just spontaneous fun dancing in the streets, right?

    wake the hell up, imbeciles. it’s coming to a city near you if it hasn’t already. you could be the next victim.

    you know what  you should do…you should try to give them a hug. see how well that goes over for ya, darlaLOON.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=565337237 Mark Lucarelli

    jesus and moses were not apostles. and there is a difference between being a disciple and an apostle. a disciple is someone who follows gods words and teaching, and prays to him. an apostle is someone who is a messenger for god, in addition to following him and praying to him.

    apostolic christians are relatively rare, especially in a political context. the last actual apostles, after all, existed over 2000 years ago. no one claimed it to be a conspiracy, but for Perry to so closely associate himself with many key members of this group, one has to wonder what his connection is with them. for a possible presidential candidate to associate himself with such radical statements, however closely, and claim to be fixing the nations problems with prayer… it raises some eyebrows.

    last week republicans were calling obamas birthday party a “hip hop bbq”, because he associated himself with other black people. (despite all of the white people at the party) looking at who a politician associates themselves with happens on both sides of the aisle. 

    if you dont find the views stated by those ‘apostles’, and their close relationship to gov perry worrying, you’re out of your mind.

  • Texan

    sock alert

  • Anonymous

    No not confused, I understand the difference, Rachel Maddow does not –  how is this different than the Founding Fathers invoking God throughout our country’s formation. Their goal isn’t to “install” Christian rule, although having a President who believes in God, seeks council in prayer and respects the principals of freedom is also nothing new for many of our Presidents (from either party). 

    I wonder if Rachel will do a shadowy conspiracy piece on Islam and their national day of prayer where they expressed their goal of having America under Islamic rule with the flag flying over the WH?  Do Christians now get the right to cry “Christianphobia” every time they are accused of having an agenda or trying to get special treatment or rights or are the focus of MSM bias?

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t call them apostles..I called them prophetic.

  • Greg

    Have you read the Observer article to which she refers?

  • Anonymous

    No but I will out of curiosity, since the Texas Observer in known as a liberal leaning publication I am not sure the source would be any better than Rachel who obviously drew inspiration for her on air report from the very article.  

  • Anonymous

    Yup, DADT killed all those birds earlier this year according to her. She’s very hard to take seriously.

  • http://twitter.com/Staciisa_bitch Staci Chase

    These evangelical Christian groups scare me, it sound like their all high on something.    

  • Texan

    the irony meter has just been shattered…

  • Anonymous

    It could work as the plot to a bizaar science fiction movie.  What made you think of that, Cjd?

  • Greg

    I am sympathetic to your caution regarding bias. The existence of Christians fundamentalist enough to attempt a marriage between church and state seems obvious to me… Perry’s association with the faction well documented. Hope you read it… Cheers.

  • Anonymous

    For all the fuss about this prayer event, I undstand that it was’nt well attended.  Perry only spoke for 12 minutes out of seven hours.  I’m not sure he’s keeping the right company if he seeks nomination.  The history of the Evangelical movement is’nt a secret.  I learned about the Evangelical movement in Protestant sunday school for young adults about to be “confirmed”(like Catholic first communion).

  • Anonymous

    Well, they don’t call it the opiate of the masses for nothin’.

  • Rio

    You’re the one that needs to sober up, you are constantly promoting “the government tit” but now find it conventient to use it to demean a “working class stiff”…….midwestern one at that.  Working but sucking the government tit?  “there is absolutely no substance whatsoever in your response”  crazy talk, you are nuts! 

    lippy broad has that miserable little twerp pegged, you are obviously throwing a fit about her response, but, she’s right and that miserable messiah is going to be one and done. 

  • Dolan

    Hannity VS Maddow?  Not the point… you morons.  The STORY is more important than her ratings.  The Apostolic Reformation Movement?  Oprah is the whore of Babylon… and you can tell because she’s winsome and kind?  The Japanese stock market tanked because a goddess screwed the country’s leader… and my favorite… Katrinah happened because there was a homosexual parade planned.  Yes, there were never hurricanes before there were Pride Parades!  These people, regardless of their GRAND endgame, are insane and did you see the people praying at the event?  They looked like the Rapture was about to happen and they were going to be among the first inside the Pearly Gates.  Did Rachel overreach?  Who cares?  Our country is being attacked by CRAZY PEOPLE.

  • Dolan

    Yup, he screwed up too… definitely.  But THIS event makes the Rev. Wright look like a walk in the park…  

  • Dolan

    READ REAL NUMBERS… this is the stupidest bunch of posters I’ve ever seen.  Obama caused the London riots?  ARE YOU COMPLETELY INSANE???????  SERIOUSLY.  Or just a closet Racist like most conservatives who hate him?

  • Dolan

    SHUT UP UNTIL YOU HAVE SOMETHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY.  Seriously… flash mobs are just like riots?  I hope if a flash mob does go bad, that you’re there to see it so you can say “I told you so”

  • Dolan

    PLease let Texas secede and then you can go live in Rick Perry’s Texas.  You don’t own patriotism.  I’m a “lib” and you did not corner the market on loving your country… you have cornered the market, however, on bigotry, paranoia, and hatred of anyone who doesn’t believe exactly what you believe.  That’s not the America I know and love.  I’m telling you, why don’t you “lib haters” just move to Texas and build a fence around yourselves so you don’t have see people who don’t look and think exactly like you.  And we can watch you all kill each other with your assault rifles (you know, the ones you need to protect yourself from the “foreigners and the gays!”)  You make me sick.

  • Dolan

    PLease let Texas secede and then you can go live in Rick Perry’s Texas.  You don’t own patriotism.  I’m a “lib” and you did not corner the market on loving your country… you have cornered the market, however, on bigotry, paranoia, and hatred of anyone who doesn’t believe exactly what you believe.  That’s not the America I know and love.  I’m telling you, why don’t you “lib haters” just move to Texas and build a fence around yourselves so you don’t have see people who don’t look and think exactly like you.  And we can watch you all kill each other with your assault rifles (you know, the ones you need to protect yourself from the “foreigners and the gays!”)  You make me sick.

  • Anonymous

    Nice way to frame it – a police “murder”: he had a gun, was part of a notorious gang that demonized the neighborhood and a crack dealer, I would think twice before I would call his death a “murder”. 

    Although I will agree that it is a stretch to link Obama with anything London, other than to serve warning that government cannot and should not pay for the majority of social programs subsidized by taxpayers who are already strapped beyond breaking point.

  • Rio

    Haven’t seen any videos or heard any audios from Perry’s inner circle as damaging as what came out of Obama’s church, his pastor’s or Father Phleger’s mouth, no bitter clinger accusations by candidate, revelations that a criminal helped get him his home, no palling around with a domestic terrorist, I could go on as Obama was my senator and also served, er, was present in my state senate.

    If Perry gets in. both Perry and Obama have records to run on, not like Obama’s Illinois Senate record that was created out of thin air by Emil Jones, a real record,  Should voters find lloosing over $3 trillion out of the markets these past couple of weeks, over 17% real unemployment, inflation, doubling of gas prices unkept campaign promises, and more war….. not to their liking, Perry will  get their vote.

  • Anonymous

    Randy Maddow is very horse-like in his appearance.  You’re right on target DLoon.  BTW, Friday night isn’t exactly a leader indicator. 

  • Anonymous

    Perry’s record vs 0bama’s record is no contest.  0bama’s only hope is to demonize his opposition.  If it’s about records/performance it’s a Perry cakewalk.  See 0bama team’s statement today about “killing” Romney.   Their only chance. 

  • Anonymous

    Like 0bama and The Manchurian Candidate are eerily similar.  Where an empty suit with a destructive agenda becomes President.

  • Anonymous

    Like 0bama and The Manchurian Candidate are eerily similar.  Where an empty suit with a destructive agenda becomes President.

  • Anonymous

    But you’re ok with Sharia law and Islamic fundamentalism right? 

  • Fenngibbon

    Scary thing is, Maddow is usually held up as the highly intelligent, reasonable host in the MSNBC primetime lineup.  

  • Anonymous

    What Presidential candidate is supporting and advocating Sharia law and Islamic fundamentalism?

  • http://www.constitutionallibertarian.co.cc/ DavidKramer

    I am amazed he did not use the “I am a conservative but” line. I call them concern trolls.

  • http://www.constitutionallibertarian.co.cc/ DavidKramer

    Agree, but it more than doubled the gas price I mean, it was 1.83 when elected, it is now above 3.90.

  • http://www.constitutionallibertarian.co.cc/ DavidKramer

    Ooooh poor Darla, do you think all midwesterners suck on the government teat like you do? Yes, we midwesterners kicked your arse in another attack on us here in Wisconsin. We balanced our budget without raising taxes, our employment numbers are up all without following the leftist playbook of tax, tax, tax, and SPEND. Of course I had to go to Chicago this past week and drive through the only shovel ready city in America. Darn near every highway and road is tore up. Got to keep that federal funding flowing into the Chicago machine, right darla?

  • Rio

    Google Gov. Rick Perry, Rachel Maddow, the gov is living rent free in her head.  After reading through several mainstream papers reportage, they all noted the prayer event was not led by a particular christian group as the Apostolic group mentioned by Maddow.  It was an open invitation across the nation to join in prayer for our country.  Maddow etal. are choosing to highlight one group that signed the public list to attend, the event was free, just had to sign up to attend.  Perry is a life long Methodist as is Hillary, Perry attends an Evangelical church near his home, Hillary attended many Baptist churches while campaigning. Much ado about nothing.

  • Anonymous

    I’m an atheist but would vote for Pat Robertson a 1000 times in a row before voting for Obama.  However, in this case, I prefer Romney over Perry for a variety of reasons.

  • Anonymous

    Governor Perry is working out of the Rush Limbaugh “Obamageddon” playbook. There has been a lot written, recently, suggesting that Rush Limbaugh is operating right on the border of “treason” against the United States. I disagree. It’s very coded, it’s very clever, but I think that he has crossed the Title 18, Chapter 115, line.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Kool it, Dolan.

    I’m a Texan. I’ll stack my liberal bona fides up against yours or anyone’s. And, I’m not alone in Texas. Big portions of Texas are liberal. Not just Austin. San Antonio, the RGV, Laredo, El Paso, Houston, Dallas. And, all of the demographics point to change. Larger populations of Highly Educated, Hispanics, Catholics. Five year, ten years. The change will be dramatic. And, we are the second largest state in the nation. As Texas changes, the nation changes. Don’t paint us with the Perry brush. In any event, as Texas changes, so do Perry and his ilk. There is not a principle among them. They have been all things, and they will be all things. 

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    He’s not a threat. A chorus line of bellhops couldn’t carry all his luggage.

  • Anonymous

    Well I’m glad to see this fellow, Maddow, go after a Conservative’s friends & associates with the same fervor with which  he had gone after that racist black community organizer Barack Hussein Obama ll’s  friends & associates Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, the new black panthers, A.C.O.R.N., corrupt union bosses, etc.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I’ve been to Indiana. Not finding it on a map is not that big a deal.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Yet, our unemployment rate is 8.2% and 25 states have lower unemployment rates. Can you explain that?

    I didn’t think so.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Yet, through a combination of poorly-conceived property tax caps, failed business tax reform and mad cap spending based on flawed projections, Perry created a US $27 Billion deficit in Texas resulting in huge, draconian cuts to Texas education. Care to explain?

    I didn’t think so.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    It rose to an average of US $4.12 pg under W, and it is now US $3.62, high, but not as ridiculous as you suggest. I filled up the Subaru for US $3.41 yesterday. Texaco. 

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Some Christian fundamentalists use this term for the Vatican.

    Mormon fundamentalists use it for the LDS.

    No one uses it correctly.

    From the Revelation of St. John the Divine:

    “Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came
    and said to me, ‘Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot
    who is seated upon many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed
    fornication, and with the wine of whose fornication the dwellers on earth
    have become drunk.’ And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness,
    and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of blasphemous
    names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple
    and scarlet, and bedecked with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her
    hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her fornication;
    and on her forehead was written a name of mystery: ‘Babylon the great,
    mother of harlots and of earth’s abominations.’ And I saw the woman, drunk
    with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When
    I saw her I marveled greatly.” 

    In other words, Pagan Rome or Apostate Jerusalem.

    Certainly, not Ms. Maddow.

  • Anonymous

    And next week Maddow will explain that Harry Potter is real, Star Trek was a documentary, and Howard Hughes is controlling the world from his cryogenic tomb.

    SERIOUSLY!!! She doing conspiracy theories now???

  • Anonymous

    lol, and again 32 years together thumbs up

  • Anonymous

    Fact: Might just have to have a class action lawsuit against Maddow for her blasting of anything or anyone that has morals or Christianity too it!

  • Anonymous

    Fact: That was in response to Obamacare and the way the Government was trying to hold back highway, educational and other related funds to get Texas to start paying welfare to people that worked part time jobs for two years and then have Texas pay it from then on out. Not a good move for the taxpaying among Texas so Perry said no way and told Obama’s crew to shove it!

  • Anonymous

    Fact: Glad you feel that way Marlboro man movie was a myth and in Texas gays are a silent minority and it’s best that they stay that way!

  • Anonymous

    Fact: BS Texas is in fact a red to the core state other than small pockets in Dallas and Austin that have flower power libs still in a throw back 60′s mindset!

  • Anonymous

    Fact: BS Texas is in fact a red to the core state other than small pockets in Dallas and Austin that have flower power libs still in a throw back 60′s mindset!

  • Anonymous

    I dont think Perry specifically invited any of these groups to the response. Im pretty sure anyone who wanted to go could go. As for the lunatics who want to take over the world and what not, thats not going to happen. There are plenty of fringe religious groups who say and preach ridiculous things, but they never become major movements because the vast majority of people are sane and decent. So I dont think we need to worry about Perry becoming president and then assassinating Oprah

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous
  • Mosesdinoark

    I love how these guys HATE government and want to secede but are always running for office…werid.

  • Mosesdinoark

    I love how these guys HATE government and want to secede but are always running for office…werid.

  • Mosesdinoark

    And I love how these guys hate Sharia law and Muslim governments but what want to do the EXACT same thing but with their invisible magic man that lives in the sky..weird.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    A very good point. Tollbooth is not of humble origins, as he claims, nor is he of great wealth. He has never really worked, only suckled at the state’s teat. He and his family have lined up annually for welfare in the form of farm and ranch subsidies. Yet, he is now a millionaire. You do the “math”.

  • Fsnookie

    This dude is your daddy!

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    You obviously don’t understand Texas at all. There is and as always been and shall remain a strong progressive element in the state. We also have a highly literate, well-educated population in our high-tech, finance, artistic and education sectors. They are disproportionately liberal in the truest sense. It has very little to do with the 60′s. In fact, up to the late 90′s, Dallas was generally considered conservative. It made a huge flip. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/ZWK64F6XPSLNVPT4IXWPPOPWPM Neal

    I’m pretty sure there are some medications that can help you.

  • gibbjabb

    Ummm, you may need to re-visit that video again….’No company can build this on spec’s and expect to make a profit on it’ was NOT what was stated….try to hear this instead….’Not EVERY idea that is good for the country, is a profit making idea for SOME COMPANY, SOMEWHERE. Its NEVER going to be a profitable venture for some company to COME UP WITH THIS IDEA and BUILD it on spec’…….can you name a company that simply came up with an idea to build a bridge of that sort,, just for the good of the country, and made a profit(NOT OFF TAX-PAYERS-GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE)that wasnt lead by government?

  • Anonymous

    So, it’s going to be the New Apostolic Reformation vs. the Black Liberation Theologists?

    CAGE MATCH!!!

  • BLUEBUNNY

    DID YOU EVEN LISTEN TO THESE CRAZY HUMANS! HONESTLY! AS A GROWN-UP IN
    2011?! HOW CAN PEOPLE EVEN THINK OF THINGS LIKE THIS NOW! SOME HUMANS
    HAVE NOT EVOLVED WELL OVER THE YEARS! SAD THING IS THEY HAVE ALL TAUGHT THEIR CHILDREN THIS “STUFF”! IGNORANCE BEGINS AT HOME WITH THESE PEOPLE!

  • http://nefariousnewt.blogspot.com NefariousNewt

    “Moral relativism” == “not believing in my God and his word”. Of course, in Rick Perry’s case, he doesn’t even know what the word of his God is.

    Oh, and when a person who believes in one being he cannot see, claims another being he cannot see is responsible for the troubles in another country, you know that person is off the rails.

    I got 5:45 in, and the religious ignorance and dogma was too much to bear. I plan to do everything in my power to keep that man as far away from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as I can. I don’t even want him taking the White House tour!

  • Anonymous

    i thought it was wrong to attack religions by pundits? 

    I find her boring but in same ways hope she gains popularity with libs.  The SNL skits would just write themselves….

  • Anonymous

    More WingNut “Come-To-Jesus” moments.  And it works!

  • caconservative

    For all of you who are finding themselves seriously looking at Rick Perry as a viable Conservative candidate, you’d better take a hard second look at his tenure as Gov. of Texas. This guy is a RINO!

  • Anonymous

    Does a “bag” ever get tired of being wrong? You have no clue the details of this bridge, do you? The builder, that owns the bridge, has a monopoly on the trucking and duty free, which profits from the bridge. Both obtain assistance. What was it,…… lies, lies, lies,………. Children, full of hate.

  • Anonymous

    How can a tea bubble clone, accuse another of following a facts?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MPXIZYQSEEYYNQWK2YZLGFVX4Q bruce h

    She’s absolutely INCREDIBLY boring, as well as just simply amazingly “routinely” and casually dishonest.

    And she already is majorly popular with libs, Lane1, which is only fitting : Rachell Maddow, and libs, together represent : the ‘gay marriage’ made in heck”.

    And you’re of course right about what a natural an SNL parody of Rachel Maddow would be, especially if they got a macho guy with major biceps and a 3 day growth of beard to play her ; I see frequent SNL guest host Alec Baldwin as being an ideal choice for that !

    But the libs at SNL would never parody “one of their own” like that : only people like Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, etc..

  • Anonymous

    you’ve got to go to the observer and read the story. it’s full of direct quotes from these “apostles”. they go on the record to espouse their crazy ideas. it’s absolutely believable, straight up reporting. not some hit piece from the left. check it out:  http://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/rick-perrys-army-of-god

  • RDD

    Late-term abortion patient shares her story
    Many in the US believe that government has no right to tell a woman what
    to do with her body. The topic of abortion has been a major issue in
    recent years for presidential candidates. In some states abortion has
    been banned after 20 weeks based on pain to the fetus. Dana Weinstein, a
    late-term abortion patient, shares her views on the abortion debate and
    shares her tragic experience.
    http://youtu.be/v4k427vn8xg

  • Anonymous

    I always hesitate to interpret Revelations.  The imagery is complex, layered, and confusing.  Yet this is the interpretation I have heard most and I agree with you.

  • Anonymous

    I always hesitate interpreting Revelations.  The imagery is complex, layered, symbolic, and often confusing.  Yet, this is the traditional interpretation of this verse and I agree.  Opinions vary, but ancient Rome with all it’s depravities seem’s the far greater whore.

  • Hagen619dj

    It’s a fact that people do “think” about the people that run their lives as she does. We aren’t suppose to look at people as being different than ourselves…but you have to admit…she is different. I don’t hold it against people if they are gay. I really feel sorry for them. When she reports, she is still gay and that resinates with people. It’s not right but it happens. It’s a type of disrespect that will always be here. We have a culture that was raised to believe that we keep our personal sexual relations to ourselves. To advertise and parade this relationship isn’t necessary. All they want is benefits like married couples get. You don’t see the rest of us parading. I’m sorry, but just because she is of this parade…people don’t respect her enough to watch her telecasts. She also has a tendency to show disrespect for religion and try to make it sound like a rediculous part of your life. Until about two generations pass on…these people will not have much respect in the country no matter who they try to discredit.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, anyone accusing of me of not proofreading now can see I do.  I was trying to respond to RRK’s earlier comment, not sure how this comment would up down here.

  • AliveStillKickin

    Like….you know….Pass that joint around Darladude.
    A Rhodes Scholarship doesn’t make you right…or even give one common sense ….it only gives you a piece of paper to show you spent time being indoctrinated by some liberal propagandists.

  • http://twitter.com/BarneyFranken Barney Frankenstein

    intrade.com has Perry as the favorite to win the republican nomination.

    Anything else you want to comment on without knowing what you are talking about?

  • GOPequalsHate

    Hahaha u jesus freaks r so funny , let jesus take the wheel and he can save americas economy so i can buy my gf a new set of tatas,,forget africas starving “they did it to themselves” right GOPbuddies (wink wink)……!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1431811538 Josh Kim

    You were probably home schooled, huh? Got your degree from Liberty University?

  • Larry Linn

    Perry had a prayer meeting to ask G*d to fix
    our financial problems last weekend. On Monday, the stock market crashed.

  • Anonymous

    And the left makes fun of Beck for conspiracy theories.

  • http://www.constitutionallibertarian.co.cc/ DavidKramer

    I like my quote- “You can lead a pseudo intellectual to the tree of knowledge but without common sense, they cannot reach the first branch.” David Kramer

  • Anonymous

    Obviously you two have no knowledge or experience at all with Gov. Goodhair or the people who he works with.  Best you keep your snide to yourselves.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t know what you’re talking about, do you?  Never had any experience with the right wing religionists, have you?  Try it some time.  Then you can apologize to Moses for your snide.

  • Anonymous

    Perry didn’t invite these guys because they are the ones who organized the whole thing.  Goodhair was their attraction.  They invited him.  

    And don’t be so blase about Perry not becoming president.  There are a lot of these people running loose in TX and throughout the whole west and midwest.  Check out the stories about the Air Force Academy, about the megachurches, about the Tea Party’s connection with the right wing religionists.  These guys are a major force in the US electorate because they vote and they got W elected twice.  They can get Goodhair elected, too.

  • Anonymous

    Only a fool would consider these people to be christians or to have morals.  Look at their own writings and videos.

  • Anonymous

    You guys in the East really have no understanding of the situation here, do you?  Believe me, when these people elect someone like Perry or Bachmann, you’ll wish there were somewhere to hide.  Read the articles in texasobserver.org about Goodhair, and then tell me that this is “just a theory.”

  • Anonymous

    It was an open invitation by the Apostolic Reformation people, the ones who organized it.  The people who by and large attended were most definitely NOT anything recognizable as normal Protestants.  And it has been a very long time since Perry has been a Methodist.  His whole career has been pandering to the extreme elements of the right wing religionists to the point that by now it is likely he buys into it.

  • Anonymous

    And the difference between Sharia law and the New Apostolic Reformation and other Christian Dominionists is what, other than the name?

  • Anonymous

    You really don’t have a clue, do you?  Perry can easily get the republican nomination just by showing up.  All the right wing religionists and most of the rest of the Tea party are in his pocket.  Romney only has the money boys and you saw how effective they are against the whackjobs in the recent debt limit fight.  His only real competition is Bachmann and she has the disadvantage of being a woman in a patriarchal society.  Then once he’s got the nomination, all it takes is for enough progressives to stay home and we’ve got ourselves a Dominionist as president.

  • Anonymous

    Furthermore we lead the nation in percent of workers at minimum wage or below.  Forgot to mention that the vast majority of TX’s newly created jobs were minimum wage, didn’t you?  And you also forgot to mention that the “Texas Miracle” was a fraud from the get-go, that it really didn’t happen outside of Goodhair’s propaganda.  

    There is a reason that we have a $27 billion deficit.  It is directly related to Goodhair’s policies and to the fact that his “balanced budget” last time was due to stimulus money that was supposed to go to education but got diverted, and this time due to massive education and health care cuts plus some very creative bookkeeping.  Believe me, you don’t want the rest of the US to be like TX, not unless you really hate the US.  

    Speaking of hating the US, I saw a video of Tea Partiers cheering the announcement that they were considered to be responsible for dropping the US’ credit rating.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently you aren’t acquainted with Goodhair’s actual record.  I suggest you look it up and then you can apologize.  He and the republicans have been in total control of TX for over 11 years so he owns it.  Obama hasn’t ever been in control given McConnell’s constant filibuster threats and the last election.

    Here’s just some of what Goodhair has done to us just on the jobs issue, not to mention property taxes, insurance premiums, utility prices, air and water pollution (we lead the US), high school dropouts, teenage pregnancies et al where we are among the worst in the US.  

    Workers at minimum wage: TX – 9.5%, national average 6%, CA 2%; increase in minimum wage jobs under Goodhair – 259,000; 76,000 in 2009 – 2010.  Median wage TX – $12.13/hr (men), $10.24 (women); national median – $13.76 (men), $11.83 (women).  And as everyone knows, one of the “benefits” of so many minimum wage jobs is that there are no benefits, so TX also leads the nation in workers without health care.  And did I mention it leads the nation in childhood poverty?

    Obviously you would wish that on the rest of the country.  Why?

  • Anonymous

    There is a reason that the red states are net recipients of money from Washington and the blue states are net contributors.  The latter are producers and the former are parasites.  So, yes, you are on the government teat.  I realize it isn’t PC to bring that up because it hurts your feelings, but it has to be said.

    I saw a proposal that I heartily endorse.  It was that states get back from DC in proportion to what they contribute.  What are you going to do when your farm subsidies, your military bases, your MIC factories, your oil subsidies, etc. disappear?

  • Anonymous

    But he won last time against a reasonable opponent.  One hopes that his dirty laundry gets aired in the national election, but Carney is good at keeping that stuff hidden.

  • AliveStillKickin

    That’s a presumptuous comment for a laundry boy…Mr. Kim.
    Is that a copy & paste from MediaMatters?

  • Anonymous

    Not trying to be confrontational, but i think you misunderstood me. I definitely think he could win, i’m just saying if he does, we dont have to worry about him pandering to any of the crazy fringe religious groups who were at the response.

  • Rio

    What are you going to do when your hurricane fed dollars disappear? 

    Blue state’s net contributing is due to heavy population, red state’s share of the fed dollar does go to support federal projects in those states, more projects than you chose to list.  You blue noses want these projects and land grabs, then pay for them.

  • Rio

    Perhaps you need to be spending more time demanding the NYTimes, LATimes, etc. to retract.  Better yet, let’s see a couple of credible sources for your hackery.

  • RDD

    Perry Big Gov. Execution Record
    Most are expecting Texas Governor Rick Perry to announce that he’ll be
    joining the race this Saturday, the same say the Ames Straw comes out.
    Under Perry’s watch, Texas has carried out 234 executions. In some of
    those cases like that of Cameron Todd Willingham, the convicted
    prisoners may have been innocent and Perry chose not to intervene. So
    what does that say, about Perry? Radley Balko, with the Huffington Post
    weighs in.

    http://youtu.be/rtnvv4-dEcY

  • RDD

    Perry Big Gov. Execution Record
    Most are expecting Texas Governor Rick Perry to announce that he’ll be
    joining the race this Saturday, the same say the Ames Straw comes out.
    Under Perry’s watch, Texas has carried out 234 executions. In some of
    those cases like that of Cameron Todd Willingham, the convicted
    prisoners may have been innocent and Perry chose not to intervene. So
    what does that say, about Perry? Radley Balko, with the Huffington Post
    weighs in.

    http://youtu.be/rtnvv4-dEcY

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1431811538 Josh Kim

    the Manchurian candidate is about a war hero who gets brainwashed by communists. It doesn’t fit the story of Jon Huntsman, who met with ordinary Chinese citizens who want more freedom and choices in their lives.

  • Ganymede

    This thread is almost over and I have just one question for some of the more pulled together rightwingers who populate this website. Is Rick Perry and his backers what you see as the future of our country, and can you in good conscience support this. it would be nice to hear your thoughts on this matter.

  • Jimmy

    Texas Rankings
    Office of the Texas Comptroller

    2nd Teen Birth Rate
    1st Toxic and Cancerous Manufacturing Emissions
    1st Percentage of Uninsured Children
    1st Number of Executions
    1st Number of Gun Shows
    2nd Rate of Incarceration
    5th Total Crime Rate
    1st Number of Registered Machine Guns
    7th Poverty Rate
    2nd Percentage of Population that Goes Hungry
    3rd Percentage of Population that Is Malnourished

    45th Per Capita Spending on Public Health
    46th Mental Health
    49th Water Quality
    50th High School Graduation Rates
    46th Average Hourly Rate
    43rd Income Distribution Inequality
    48th Spending on Child Protection
    50th Percentage of Population with Health Insurance
    50th Percentage of Insured Low-Income Children
    45th Rate for Substance Abuse Treatment Is Received
    47th Amount of Welfare and Food Stamp Benefits
    49th Number of WIC Recipients

  • Jimmy

    Texas Rankings
    Office of the Texas Comptroller

    2nd Teen Birth Rate
    1st Toxic and Cancerous Manufacturing Emissions
    1st Percentage of Uninsured Children
    1st Number of Executions
    1st Number of Gun Shows
    2nd Rate of Incarceration
    5th Total Crime Rate
    1st Number of Registered Machine Guns
    7th Poverty Rate
    2nd Percentage of Population that Goes Hungry
    3rd Percentage of Population that Is Malnourished

    45th Per Capita Spending on Public Health
    46th Mental Health
    49th Water Quality
    50th High School Graduation Rates
    46th Average Hourly Rate
    43rd Income Distribution Inequality
    48th Spending on Child Protection
    50th Percentage of Population with Health Insurance
    50th Percentage of Insured Low-Income Children
    45th Rate for Substance Abuse Treatment Is Received
    47th Amount of Welfare and Food Stamp Benefits
    49th Number of WIC Recipients

  • mkuske mkuske

    “People still listen to this dude?”

    You’re talking about Maddow, right?

    Seriously, you’ll notice that the clips say “‘The Response’ Endorser”. Do you want me to list all of the whackos that endorsed Barrack Obama’s campaign??? Hell, his science czar Paul Holden ascribed to forced sterilization and the formation of a “Planetary Regime”. And that’s not just an endorser, that’s somebody invited into Obama’s circle!!!

    Zeke Emanuel, Rahm’s brother and Obama’s health care adviser promotes and supports a “complete lives system” model of health care in which people are judged by their potential productivity vs. future investment when rationing and managing health care costs. Infants, old-aged, mentally challenged, etc. — and eventually less educated adults — get the short end of the health care stick in this model. Again not just an endorser, that’s somebody invited into Obama’s circle!

    I’ll take my chances with the religious nut jobs skirting Perry’s pant hems, rather than these Dr. Deaths invited by Obama to give him advice and lead primary administration projects. So should Maddow were she to be honest.

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