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Red Eye Panel Reviews The ‘Bad Ideas’ In Asian American Journalist Guide To Covering Jeremy Lin

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As epitomized best by the unfortunate ESPN “chink in the armor” incident last week, America’s obsession with Jeremy Lin has brought out some of the lesser informed aspects of the relationship between the mainstream media and Asian Americans, and to help, the Asian American Journalists’ Association release a guideline for how to appropriately refer to Asian newsmakers without being racist. While the Red Eye panel found some of the tips useful, there were others host Greg Gutfeld thought teetered on “giving people bad ideas.”

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“Do not refer to Lin as ‘Grasshopper,’” the guide advises, and reminds reporters that there aren’t usually good reasons to juxtapose Lin with fortune cookies or take-out boxes. It also reads “Me love you Lin time: avoid.” “This is where I think they’re giving people bad ideas,” Gutfeld argued, wondering whether anyone would actually use a phrase like that. Guest Andrew WK took particular issue with the fortune cookie use (initially an ingredient in a new Ben & Jerry’s ice cream flavor), as they were American confections. He explained a little too specifically that they were made in New York, and “you could smell them from the Citiview Motel.” After a bit of speculation as to how he knew that, Bill Schulz suggested maybe fortune cookies were appropriate: “much like Lin, this is a Chinese thing made in America!”

Kurt Loder argued that he didn’t understand the Asian problem at all. “If your grandparents were born in Ireland, you aren’t Irish,” he noted, “[Lin] is an American, I don’t get it.” To Patti Ann Browne, the problem here was not racism, but sloppiness. “They are telling them to avoid lazy, tripe, sloppy, stupid jokes,” she argued, “and that is their bread and butter.” She also noted there was something uncomfortable about telling the media to treat Lin differently by avoiding these lazy jokes.

During the Halftime Report, Andy Levy weighed in with some fascinating facts on the fortune cookie: they “probably originated in 19th century Japan” and became a Chinese food item after the Japanese were locked up in camps during World War II. The fortune cookie bit of the Asian American Journalists’ Association guidelines was also the most comical to Levy. “Is there a compelling reason to [connect Lin] with fortune cookies, takeout boxes, or other imagery? in the majority of instances, no,” reads the guide, to which Levy responds, “does that mean there are occasions where there is a compelling reason?”

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  • Anonymous

    Whenever Bill Maher goes on hiatus why do we always get these lame ass stories from Red Eye as if they could ever fill the comedy void?  Red Eye isn’t funny and Gutfeld isn’t fit to carry Maher’s jock strap when it comes to comedy.

    Leave the comedy to professionals and stop trying to raise the profile of hacks like Gutfeld.

  • Anonymous

     awwww does bill touch you in your happy place?

  • Anonymous

    I thought it was supposed to be a little sassy, but I never construed that show to be comedy. In this case, the discussion was pretty cool, and thank you to the asian association for providing the talking points. Obviously there is such a thing as racial sensitivity, and there should be, but let’s not get carried away. Intent is the most important thing. If a person uses a racial joke to convey contempt and hatred for a race, that is contemptable, but if a person makes an ethnic joke with affection, like teasing the Polish man next store with a couple of new Polish jokes, it shouldn’t be that he be called a racist. Lin, I hope, has a good sense of humor on all of that because it is one giant circus in NYC and when it comes to the Knicks the fans will turn on a dime.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t get why everyone is so LINsensative about his race. Anyone making such racist remarks should be disipLINed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1572984371 Cindy Nowicki

     You might not find Red Eye funny, but this program BEATS prime-time cable news, MSNBC and CNN!

    Many people MUST be getting up at 3 am, or not going to bed until Red Eye is off air!

  • Anonymous

    Agreed, it’s all about LINtent, but this LINtentionally crosses the LINe.

  • Anonymous

    Personally I don’t find either Maher or Gutfield very funny. Even though I am liberal I find Gutfield a little less grating because he isn’t as arrogant. Having said that I have watched Red Eye several times (nothing else on at that time) and have yet to ever really laugh at anything. Usually his panel is amazingly stupid. 

  • Anonymous

    Wait, you think Gutfield isn’t as “arrogant?”. How is that? But I agree that these folks on Red Eye are completely and totally not funny. Personally, despite Maher’s “arrogance,” he is far more spot on when it comes to issues I agree with than the unfunny stupidity and conservative lunacy of Gutfield.

  • Anonymous

    What do ratings have to do with good material?

    Here’s a clue: NOTHING!

  • Anonymous

    I agree that Gutfeld isn’t funny, but Bill Maher hasn’t been funny in a while either. Political humor is okay, but it shouldn’t be your whole spiel. Gutfeld & Maher are basically political pundits who are only funny to those who agree with them politically. I think they’re more about bashing people than about making people laugh.

  • Anonymous

    Yes I do find Gutfeld less arrogant. But then I think the only person more arrogant than Maher on TV is Donald Trump. And just because you agree with someones politics (I also tend to agree with Maher much more often than Gutfeld) doesn’t mean he is funny or clever. Stewart and Colbert are funny, clever, and have some humility. I find these things lacking in Maher. Personally I find Maher and Gutfeld both unoriginal and lazy in their comedy. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RKLFFXBQV4Z3EL2WBZQ2CAPMC4 Jim

    I laugh out loud at Red Eye; smug arrogance isn’t all that amusing – just ask the legacy of Letterman, Goldberg, O’Donnell, Berle and Carlin. They all became the stupid rednecks they originally set out to make fun of.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I very much agree, this clip does lack a certain amount of misogynistic vulgarity and purely vile hatred that only Maher can bring.  

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RKLFFXBQV4Z3EL2WBZQ2CAPMC4 Jim

    Perhaps the Asian Journalists would be advised to disband their group and be the first to set the example there is nothing in and of itself to being Asian. Otherwise, why have such a group in the first place? What is an “Asian” journalist? What is a “black” journalist? Is their something in the DNA? Why do white folks, the most accused of racism, have no such group? And don’t tell me a de facto version exists – there’s a difference between Japanese in a Godzilla movie and formally stating there must only be Japanese in a Godzilla movie.

  • http://twitter.com/VladiRad Tyler

    Red Eye isn’t that bad.  It’s a decent show to watch and smirk at while you’re flipping through channels in the middle of the night.  

  • Anonymous

    Not sure why anyone would compare Red Eye with Maher…Apples and oranges and two very different programs.  I simply find Maher obnoxious more so than not  and the way he at times addresses certain topics are just offensive to me.  I guess for many Red Eye is simply an acquired taste and if one does not care for it is quite simple do not watch it.  It is still stunning to me though the number of people who do considering the East Coast air time…….

  • Anonymous

    Was that from a fortune cookie?

  • Anonymous

    No, it was from my own LINtuition & LINtellect.

  • Anonymous

    Think a lot about Bill touching you in your happy place do you?

  • Anonymous

    How about an example of one of those “affectionate” ethnic jokes?

  • Anonymous

    Red Eye on ocassion has beaten some prime-time cable new shows but to say it BEATS them as if it were a regular occurance is just not true. 

     Even if it were true, your ad populem argument still doesn’t make Red Eye funny.

  • Anonymous

    I find Gutfield arrogant and unfunny which makes him much more grating.  Maher may be arrogant but he’s funny.  I can understand being arrogant if you’re good at what you do, but Gutfeld doesn’t have that excuse.

  • Anonymous

    Red Eye isn’t that bad.

    Yes it is.

  • Anonymous

    If you bothered to read the first post you would understand the reason for the comparison. 

  • Anonymous

    What’s your nationality?

  • Anonymous

    Red Eye is funny and other comics praise Andy, Greg and Bill.   In contrast, Maher is a has-been comic who other comics (you know, his professional peers)  mock as being hacky, unoriginal and pathetic.

    Red Eye gets a million viewers, and beats most cable news EXCEPT other FNC shows. It’s really a wonder why Red Eye is so infrequently on mediaite… 

  • Anonymous

    As a fan, I’ve NEVER seen it live, always on DVR.   I assume FNC is counting same-day DVR with their numbers, because if it’s truly live, it must be west coast numbers (it’s on midnight there…).

    I’m still hoping they move it to the midnight east slot, so that SOMEDAY I can watch it live!  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SIYF5565LXG7BBKTKGSSFWU7TA The Rock

    Greg Gutfeld is funny unlike Bill Maher who isn’t funny at all. Red Eye is pretty good even know I’m sleeping when it’s on I do catch a little bit late Sat/early Sun.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SIYF5565LXG7BBKTKGSSFWU7TA The Rock

    I thought ESPN writer should have been suspended a couple weeks or month I think if it happen again then ESPN should have fired the person just my opinion Lin has forgiven writer. Asian American Journalist Guide is being too PC. I didn’t get why Ben & Jerry’s had to apologize Linsanity Icecream just because it had a fortune cookie in it what’s so offending about a fortune cookie in icecream I don’t get. Ben Jerry’s replace fortune cookie linsanity with waffle cone.

  • daveinboca

    m_m is a grinch with some nastiness thrown in.

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