Mostly on the right!!! Was David Gregory awake during the 8 years of Bush??? EVERYTHING form the left was apocalyptic. Jebus David at least TRY and be intellectually honest.

What I don’t understand how one person who characterizes ;”President Obama as an “outsider who is trying to usher in a system . . . that will injure America and deny them of their liberty”’, is different from Keith Olbermann saying “The president [Bush] has now succeeded where no one has before. He’s managed to kill the writ of habeas corpus. Tonight, a special investigation, how that, in turn, kills nothing less than your Bill of Rights.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15220450/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/

I think it’s a natural human tendency to view something as being far more egregious when it’s YOUR ox that’s being gored.

Media members are largely liberal, and they respond to the former hyperbolic politic speech in way that is far more negative than they did to the latter.

I think THE biggest boon to media fairness would be if media outlets felt that ideological diversity among their ranks was as important as gender, sexual, religious, and ethnic diversity.

From the article: “Hmm, not sure if that sounds as much fun.”

And “not as much fun” translates into lower ratings and viewership which is bad for political pundits and websites like Mediaite which exploit heated rhetoric.

Cecelia, dearest, you are one of the few rightists to ever grace Mediaite who actually believes that the news media ought to be somewhat objective. Most of the people here who have dedicated their lives to bitch. bleat, kvetch, moan and whine incessantly about the so-called liberal media, in general, and MSNBC, in particular, are really bitching, bleating, kvetching, moaning and whining because the so-called liberal media, in general, and MSNBC, in particular, don’t parrot their own narrow ideological beliefs. They are the cottage industry component of any industry that includes such disreputable members as Kos, Media Matters and Talking Points Memo on one side, and the Bozell Industries, Koldys/Kox and Malkin on the other side. My concern is not that they speak and write about such matters with such hues and tones, but that they deny that they are doing so, that they proclaim the are dispensers of facts. None of the aforementioned dispense facts, not does MSNBC and FOX. They dispense ideology, yet they seem ashamed to admit the same. The print media in Europe has long identified itself with ideology, they have embraced the ideology, they proclaim it. But, they don’t proclaim it to be news. And the media in Europe is vibrant, thriving. Why can’t we seem to do it? Why can’t FOX adopt as its slogan “We’re RIGHT and the Others Are LEFT Behind”? Why can’t MSNBC say, “It’s LEFT to Us to Prove the RIGHT is Wrong?” It’s not the ideological screeds which tarnish FOX and MSNBC, it is their demonstrably false assertion that they are somewho THE source for truth. It’s tawdry.

You are comparing what Keith Olbermann says to what GOP congress-people say? Do you want specific quotes?

The Real Royal King said:
Cecelia, dearest, you are one of the few rightists to ever grace Mediaite who actually believes that the news media ought to be somewhat objective. Most of the people here who have dedicated their lives to bitch. bleat, kvetch, moan and whine incessantly about the so-called liberal media, in general, and MSNBC, in particular, are really bitching, bleating, kvetching, moaning and whining because the so-called liberal media, in general, and MSNBC, in particular, don’t parrot their own narrow ideological beliefs. They are the cottage industry component of any industry that includes such disreputable members as Kos, Media Matters and Talking Points Memo on one side, and the Bozell Industries, Koldys/Kox and Malkin on the other side. My concern is not that they speak and write about such matters with such hues and tones, but that they deny that they are doing so, that they proclaim the are dispensers of facts. None of the aforementioned dispense facts, not does MSNBC and FOX. They dispense ideology, yet they seem ashamed to admit the same. The print media in Europe has long identified itself with ideology, they have embraced the ideology, they proclaim it. But, they don’t proclaim it to be news. And the media in Europe is vibrant, thriving. Why can’t we seem to do it? Why can’t FOX adopt as its slogan “We’re RIGHT and the Others Are LEFT Behind”? Why can’t MSNBC say, “It’s LEFT to Us to Prove the RIGHT is Wrong?” It’s not the ideological screeds which tarnish FOX and MSNBC, it is their demonstrably false assertion that they are somewho THE source for truth. It’s tawdry.

oooh, another limpassed lib who thinks he knows it all. youve been had, limpy. Gordon found you out along time ago.

Cecelia said:
THE biggest boon to media fairness would be if media outlets felt that ideological diversity among their ranks was as important as gender, sexual, religious, and ethnic diversity.

But that assumes that the truth would emerge from that ideological diversity. Ideology is but a cheap whore to the truth. Bonhoefer seemed a bit mad when he tried to discern truth from “facts” and gave up on the effort. I can only imagine what might have happened had he tried to discern truth from ideology. How would we measure the truth? By who says the most in the least time? By who screams the loudest?

The Real Royal King said:
It’s not the ideological screeds which tarnish FOX and MSNBC, it is their demonstrably false assertion that they are somewho THE source for truth. It’s tawdry.

Mark, you can’t help but be aware that your ethos of “by any means necessary” corrupts any good intentions you may have or may ever hold.

Duke said:
oooh, another limpassed lib who thinks he knows it all. youve been had, limpy. Gordon found you out along time ago.

Basil Marceaux, I mean Gordon Blower, has yet to find the zipper on his fly, much less any great truth. It seems his has found a soulmate with moist pants in you.

The Real Royal King said:
Cecelia, dearest, you are one of the few rightists to ever grace Mediaite who actually believes that the news media ought to be somewhat objective. Most of the people here who have dedicated their lives to bitch. bleat, kvetch, moan and whine incessantly about the so-called liberal media, in general, and MSNBC, in particular, are really bitching, bleating, kvetching, moaning and whining because the so-called liberal media, in general, and MSNBC, in particular, don’t parrot their own narrow ideological beliefs. They are the cottage industry component of any industry that includes such disreputable members as Kos, Media Matters and Talking Points Memo on one side, and the Bozell Industries, Koldys/Kox and Malkin on the other side. My concern is not that they speak and write about such matters with such hues and tones, but that they deny that they are doing so, that they proclaim the are dispensers of facts. None of the aforementioned dispense facts, not does MSNBC and FOX. They dispense ideology, yet they seem ashamed to admit the same. The print media in Europe has long identified itself with ideology, they have embraced the ideology, they proclaim it. But, they don’t proclaim it to be news. And the media in Europe is vibrant, thriving. Why can’t we seem to do it? Why can’t FOX adopt as its slogan “We’re RIGHT and the Others Are LEFT Behind”? Why can’t MSNBC say, “It’s LEFT to Us to Prove the RIGHT is Wrong?” It’s not the ideological screeds which tarnish FOX and MSNBC, it is their demonstrably false assertion that they are somewho THE source for truth. It’s tawdry.

Wow… nicely put. Just say your biased and be done with it. Stop saying your the arbiter of truth and facts and just say “Hay I’m hear to support one side and destroy the other… if you’re into that turn on our channel.” But both for some odd reason want to claim they’re just presenting the world as it really is. Hell I think if they were more honest their ratings would go UP.

The Real Royal King said:
Basil Marceaux, I mean Gordon Blower, has yet to find the zipper on his fly, much less any great truth. It seems his has found a soulmate with moist pants in you.

Watch it ace. Gordon could beat the shit out of you any day of the week. your probably the one with the moist pants, limpy.

Cecelia said:
Mark, you can’t help but be aware that your ethos of “by any means necessary” corrupts any good intentions you may have or may ever hold.

I accept the fact that you don’t value reason and discourse which tends to invite growth and change. When ego and ideology mix, inebriation soon follows.

Gasket said:
You are comparing what Keith Olbermann says to what GOP congress-people say? Do you want specific quotes?

Sure… let’s play that game. I can quote Olbermann, Ed, Kos, Mike Malloy all day long. Can even go visual with an Olbermann Nazi salute.

The Real Royal King said:
How would we measure the truth? By who says the most in the least time? By who screams the loudest?

You measure it the way we’ve always measured it. By objective standards, beginging with the concept that these must be weighed and meted by a plurality peers.

tatboy said:
I think if they were more honest their ratings would go UP.

…as do I.

It’s been the hallmark of the jury system for centuries.

Cecelia said:
You measure it the way we’ve always measured it. By objective standards, beginging with the concept that these must be weighed and meted by a plurality peers.

I think it very dangerous to measure truth by polls, Cecelia.

Cecelia said:
You measure it the way we’ve always measured it. By objective standards, beginging with the concept that these must be weighed and meted by a plurality peers.

You tell him, babe! I like the way you talk! King has met his match.

Puhleez, we would not be talking about this rhetoric BS if the left wing media waited for facts before blaming the shootings on Sarah Palin and the Tea Party. That in itself, is a fact so get over it and move on.

Cecelia said:
It’s been the hallmark of the jury system for centuries.

A poor analogy. Yes, the jury system, indeed jurisprudence itself in the Anglo-American world is adverserial. But it is a very rigidly controlled adverserial system filled with tight procedures (which in the media context would do great harm to the First Amendment) and with other important safeguards.

TangledThorns said:
Puhleez, we would not be talking about this rhetoric BS if the left wing media waited for facts before blaming the shootings on Sarah Palin and the Tea Party. That in itself, is a fact so get over it and move on.

Fucken A. Those limpy bastards started right off blaming the non leftys for everything.

The Real Royal King said:
A poor analogy. Yes, the jury system, indeed jurisprudence itself in the Anglo-American world is adverserial. But it is a very rigidly controlled adverserial system filled with tight procedures (which in the media context would do great harm to the First Amendment) and with other important safeguards.

It’s not a poor analogy, it’s just not a blanket one.

It’s not difficult to understand the philosophy behind hiring practices that are based on diversity in other areas.

I don’t think it’s that precarious of a leap for the media to deem a plurality of peers to be essential in areas that transcend skin color and whether or not one pees standing up.

Cecelia said:
It’s not a poor analogy, it’s just not a blanket one. It’s not difficult to understand the philosophy behind hiring practices that are based on diversity in other areas. I don’t think it’s that precarious of a leap for the media to deem a plurality of peers to be essential in areas that transcend skin color and whether or not one pees standing up.

Man, your talk is great. Kinda turns a guy on. Where did you go to school?

The Real Royal King said:
Cecelia, dearest, you are one of the few rightists to ever grace Mediaite who actually believes that the news media ought to be somewhat objective.

It is too late for you to pretend that you are a reasonable person. You have no cred on ANY issue that is talked about here. Get lost.

gordonbloyershow said:
It is too late for you to pretend that you are a reasonable person. You have no cred on ANY issue that is talked about here. Get lost.

You tell him, Gordon. That asshole King has no cred at all! Now, Cecilia, she is one sexy and smart gal!

Cecelia said:
It’s not a poor analogy, it’s just not a blanket one. It’s not difficult to understand the philosophy behind hiring practices that are based on diversity in other areas. I don’t think it’s that precarious of a leap for the media to deem a plurality of peers to be essential in areas that transcend skin color and whether or not one pees standing up.

No, it’s an exceedingly poor analogy. As useful as comparing blood oranges to blood libel, a Bloody Mary to Blood Atonement.

Having said that, I do understand that the methodology you propose has a noble objective. It just isn’t going to work.

What’s inherently wrong with a News Media, incorporating your metholdology with a strong measure of journalistic ethics, and an Ideological Media, which frees up a FOX “News” and an MSNBC to engage in the business of political ideas? It seems to me thebest means for getting to the truth. Is it simply your concern that this diminishes FOX “News” in some manner, much like my sister believes this would diminish her beloved MSNBC? You know I never regret a business trip or a holiday in the UK because I can get actual news from the BBC, ITV and Sky, and then get hearty, wide-ranging opinion from from the press.

It does strike me that our goals are the same.

Duke said:
Man, your talk is great. Kinda turns a guy on. Where did you go to school?

Jeff, please, we’ve long known you have had the hots for Cecelia and Janet.

Is Coburn some kind of RINO or is he just being PC? First of all, this idea or republicans and democrats sitting together is loathsome. I like to see one side of the room clapping and the other side booing, if they sit together it will look messy. Secondly, we DO NOT need to watch what we say just because a nutcake who doesn’t even watch TV goes on a shooting rampage. Americans need to stop with this “shared gullt” bullshit. Individual crimes are committed by individuals, so for God sakes, let’s just go back to normal and drop all this kumbaya crap.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

Back to the story. Tom Coburn gets confused sometimes. He needs to concentrate on budget cuts and to quit trying to gain favor with the left-wing media by claiming the right media does the same thing as the loons.

greg454 said:
Is Coburn some kind of RINO or is he just being PC? First of all, this idea or republicans and democrats sitting together is loathsome. I like to see one side of the room clapping and the other side booing, if they sit together it will look messy. Secondly, we DO NOT need to watch what we say just because a nutcake who doesn’t even watch TV goes on a shooting rampage. Americans need to stop with this “shared gullt” bullshit. Individual crimes are committed by individuals, so for God sakes, let’s just go back to normal and drop all this kumbaya crap.http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

Let’s not throw out the shared guilt too soon. At the end of the Way, the Four Powers made the Germans go through a protracted period of self-examination, and it has created a wonderfully just and largely safe society.

Name something you’re NOT disgusted with, you sourpuss.

David Gregory is an extremely poor host of MTP; in standard partisan fashion David points fingers only at the right and gives his very own NBC colleagues a pass. Unless and until David wakes up and admits that the hate comes from his own network, he is a waste of time to watch.

FOr 8 years the left in this country rooted for the assassination of President Bush (they even didn’t condemn the movie about it, rather they embraced it as “art”). And now, they have hissy fits with “targets” and “bullseye” and “gun” and “enemy” and “battleground” but only when those words are uttered by folks on the conservative side of the aisle.

As I said, David Gregory is a host not worthy of watching.

TfT said:
David Gregory is an extremely poor host of MTP; in standard partisan fashion David points fingers only at the right and gives his very own NBC colleagues a pass. Unless and until David wakes up and admits that the hate comes from his own network, he is a waste of time to watch. FOr 8 years the left in this country rooted for the assassination of President Bush (they even didn’t condemn the movie about it, rather they embraced it as “art”). And now, they have hissy fits with “targets” and “bullseye” and “gun” and “enemy” and “battleground” but only when those words are uttered by folks on the conservative side of the aisle. As I said, David Gregory is a host not worthy of watching.

I think he stinks, but only because he is so self-absorbed. But, geez, he has Gramps McCain and the Graham Cracker on constantly. He has Coburn today. Seems to me he is much more of a right tilter.

gordonbloyershow said:
Back to the story. Tom Coburn gets confused sometimes. He needs to concentrate on budget cuts and to quit trying to gain favor with the left-wing media by claiming the right media does the same thing as the loons.

Whats wrong you racist a-hole???….No death threats today????….does your radio station have a URL or a link, I’d love to call in and take your dumb wingnutt ass to task….I really dont think you could compete……I wear dumbasses like you out regularly…..I hope youre man enuff to take my challenge…..NO GUNS ALLOWED …ok
you just like palin and coburn have that white supremacist thing about yourselves…David Gregory as stupid and rightwing as he is tore coburn a new asshole…You repukes have no answers and this country isnt quite dumb enuff yet to put you in charge ever again, The president just urged you asswipes to knock off the BS and you’re offended by that…To Damn Bad….tell you people to STOP SHOOTING FOLKS

gordonbloyershow said:
Back to the story. Tom Coburn gets confused sometimes. He needs to concentrate on budget cuts and to quit trying to gain favor with the left-wing media by claiming the right media does the same thing as the loons.

Right. Republicans kissing up to the DCMPN (Democrat Campaign Media Posing as “News”) is the sure death of Conservatism. I stopped voting for Republicans who “reach across the isle” and “compromise” when they are in the clear majority. The word “compromise” only returned from the dead since last November……………before that, it was apparently banned from public speech.

The reason Republican keep losing to Democrats is that they seem to presume Democrats have turned over an new leaf every time they lose an election. Not true. Democrats are rattlesnakes who should never be trusted. They consider fairness, honest, and compromise to be weaknesses to exploit, and exploit them they DO.

When this lefty Coburn comes up for reelection he won’t have to worry anymore. Acorn Chuck is in for another 6 though. Acorn Chuck Schumer is just mad that Acorn isn’t giving him any awards for letting them throw elections this year. Last time he slithered like a snake out the back door so Fox’es Griff Jenkins couldn’t report it. He knows the fringe media with Chunky Katie will look the other way.

I sang about him in a song called teapartiers I can’t hear you at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJfboOindCo

Here’s a verse

Join Acorn once every 4 years vote a 1000 times a day
Obama , Schumer , Holder will keep the justice department away
Acorn Chuck says don’t worry about the voters we only need 51
Daffy,Goofy, Mickey, Minnie will vote for me when I run
The president thinks that kids should work hard in school
He wants Acorn at the table they think 13 year old hookers are cool

Hey guys if you fought at Falluja
hope you have about 5 grand to spare
that’s’ about what is’s going to cost you
If your between 20 or 30 for Obamacare

We must all agree that a bullet has no conscience. People do, or at least we hope they do, but a bullet does not. It does not feel the pain of injury it inflicts. It does not feel the death it causes. Or the suffering, or fear it invokes. It can not. It is not alive.

Human beings on the other hand, can feel all these emotions. Unless, it seems, that you are the Sarah Palins of the world. Or the fright right radio.

This past weeks lack of political venom, has given me hope for this country, and then completely devastated me when Ms. Palin came out with her “It’s not my fault” speech, broadcast at the same time as the president was trying to bring the nation together.

This is not about you Ms. Palin. It’s about Gabrial Giffords.

If you had a conscience, you would understands this.

James Peak

This is not anything different from what good people have been trying to get them to do! . ‘Is it anything new, has the world wobbled in a way that now you see they are not on our side? ‘Have the mountains some how hidden honest news sources from getting it to us, we the people? No of course not there liars! ‘No of course not they have us where they want us, people ran and led around by bad men and women many bad bodies of liars! ‘Is it a wonder that a child does not go on the air and call these people what they are sick people that have lost there way! ‘When a child call’s a bad person ‘Psycho people laugh and know they have been had! No I am not better than you, nor any one of them except they know something is around me here! ‘And they also know it loves me it loves us all it’s this we have forgotten how to do and say what we feel out of the mouth of children something we all have forgotten we all still are! ‘And that when I yell or shout at heaven bad things happen, just like when a child says daddy that man is a bad not right if it’s said by these little ones who are still inocent it speaks volumes! just like me when I speak to the Almighty lord god

The media is a tool for us to use, So that we can contact news reporters and let them know of a story or there own investigative reporting discover or discovered so that us we the people of american can be protected from any and all threats publicly no matter how big or small no matter how domestic or dangerous ‘What happened to that form of disclosure, now we cannot even find a news sours little though report it to the world or our own people. Not without ten thousand’s of dollars just so they will listen! ‘I would like the news reporters and the american people to be able to let us contact them at any given hour, our own existence may depend upon that great avenue of knowledge! To be known by more people than the now select few that capture all national news regarding our country the C.I.A, the F.B.I and H.L.S there triangulating around us, all so that they know what’s going on. ‘But we the people do not know and that’s evil! ‘Any way you spell that its evil, because no man should govern what everyone is supposed to see, if they do that and they are than you are just all prisoners of a system, and I want that to now please end that practice! ‘ OK ‘The only way america is ever going to be safe, is if the news can be anywhere they want to be. ‘Period with a special badge, ‘One that is even above the federal government, because to me it’s high time they shine their Media spotlights on them also!

Howie, of unreliable sources, was completely over the top today, both with his guests and with his own commentary. He gave the networks a complete pass for blaming Palin and then he went after CNN and MSNBC for their talk, and DIDN’T EVEN MENTION CNN.

What a hoot. Is it any wonder that NO ONE watches CNN anymore.

Howie, the unreliable beast makes a fool of himself and his network yet again.

TfT said:
Howie, of unreliable sources, was completely over the top today, both with his guests and with his own commentary. He gave the networks a complete pass for blaming Palin and then he went after CNN and MSNBC for their talk, and DIDN’T EVEN MENTION CNN.

What a hoot. Is it any wonder that NO ONE watches CNN anymore.

Howie, the unreliable beast makes a fool of himself and his network yet again.

I actually emailed CNN today over today’s Reliable Sources show….haha. I thought that without Kurtz showing the other uses in which blood libel had been used, that he didn’t really present a balanced view of the topic. I also wrote that they should have more conservative guests (D. Loesch) that would help drive up their “hits”…I hope my rhetoric wasn’t too flamboyant for Howie.

I want Cps to be re organized in such a way that they have to investigate any false claims or they cannot press parents to be the best they can be. ‘If a doctor says he is a good doctor, but then prescribes something wrong, and harms your child you report him for it,’Right? And this said Doctor is supposed to do the best things for our bodies, YES ‘OK of-course thats right , ‘Than! it’s bad to not investigate other bad bodies, or you are a bad doctor! ‘If they do not start doing there job than they must be closed down! ‘Closed down for good, because they have become a bad body, of people, that cannot protect any children!

I want people to sign this, ‘Petition who are tired of the way CPS ‘Or Child Protection ‘services’ is ran.

gordonbloyershow said:
It is too late for you to pretend that you are a reasonable person. You have no cred on ANY issue that is talked about here. Get lost.

This from a certifiable coward and liar? LMAO!!

Davo said:
The reason Republican keep losing to Democrats is that they seem to presume Democrats have turned over an new leaf every time they lose an election. Not true. Democrats are rattlesnakes who should never be trusted. They consider fairness, honest, and compromise to be weaknesses to exploit, and exploit them they DO.

It is neither here nor there which side is in the House majority. Without compromise, nothing will get done.

valkyrie101 said:
It is neither here nor there which side is in the House majority. Without compromise, nothing will get done.

ObamaCare got “done” with neither compromise with Republicans nor concern for the will of the American people. Conservatives must now avoid compromise with Democrats if America is to be saved from the devastation set forth by those un-compromising Democrats.

The time for “compromise” has been terminated by the actions of the anti-American Left.

Davo said:
ObamaCare got “done” with neither compromise with Republicans nor concern for the will of the American people. Conservatives must now avoid compromise with Democrats if America is to be saved from the devastation set forth by those un-compromising Democrats. The time for “compromise” has been terminated by the actions of the anti-American Left.

OK, but then the majority party had a huge majority in both Houses and a sitting President.

The republicans in the house can not repeal the healthcare bill. So is that what you would want the republican house to focus on, jousting with windmills for the sheer satisfaction of it all? Better to get real and try to find a middle ground on some of these issues. You have 50K people a year dying, like a small town each year going up in terrorist smoke, because they do not have access to basic healthcare. What’s your plan on that?

Sarah Palin you are nothing more than a data planner chick, ‘We know your kind they have been around for ever it’s the reason school is so messed up! ‘These our children listen to still lifeless, material causing them to want to commit suicide, not having real life to study any longer. The basis of all life! ‘All knowledge and without it the body cannot even survive, you should resign from any office, you make our country look stupid! “And Sarah if soon f things do not change, ‘I am sure other countries will have no other alternative than to build a case against us! it’s a wonder to me how you ever made it to where you are? ‘And if that wasn’t you replying to me than they should be found and prosecuted because people using other peoples names unless it’ there husband, or wife, should be looked at as a criminal mater!
“Amen’