No more talking from anybody. Ban all TV, film, radio, books, magazines and newspapers. Ban all guns. Keep your heads down.

Funny, I read that the Sheriff knew of the shooter for some times and his threats. Is there a reason we can’t include that in the article? One might think he’s playing a little CYA and using the leftist meme to do it.

Gotta give this guy credit. He definitely knew who to criticize in order to endear himself to the media and keep himself in the news. Jesse Jackson would be proud.

Whatever happened to ” Just the facts ” ?

Limbaugh has inflamed at least one unstable nut : Clarence Dupnik .

America I present to you your next Mike Nifong.

Diane Sawyer is so shocked “it is somehow linked???”. Either the media is playing dumb or they really don’t understand that the violent rhetoric has created an atmosphere where unhinged people feel like violence is an option.

Only idiots at this point are still arguing whether this shooter was a right winger or left winger. IT DOESNT MATTER! He was mentally unstable, you have these hate merchants talking about taking up arms against the government in mainstream media. It makes the option for violence acceptable when we are constantly bombarded with this paranoid bullshit.

No one is coming to take your guns, the government isn’t taking over, it isn’t going to put you into FEMA camps anyone who believes that is either an idiot or mentally unstable.

The media and it seems like everyone else is hung up on whether this guy was a teabagger or a radical left wing loon. It doesn’t matter, people who are mentally ill very rarely have a cogent political ideology. But the media along with it’s puppets and followers, want to make this into a fight about what side he was on.

As long as that continues nothing will be solved, and as long as people like Glenn Beck, Rush and Sarah Palin try to deflect any responsibilty for their rhetoric, they murder and carnage will continue.

We live in a country where mental health programs have been cut into oblivion, that coupled with the non stop barrage of violent suggestion from places like Fox and other venues, means that this is probably only the beginning. The hate merchants in this country wont stop until someone takes a shot at the President and even then they probably wont stop.

Nothing like trashing a capital murder case by making baseless, evidence free comments to anyone who will stick a microphone in your face, is there?

This guy is an embarrassment to law enforcement.

By the way, I heard on the radio this morning that this guy was aware of the psycho and his department had numerous complaints on him but it is possible – note the possible part – that the wackjob’s parents work for Pima County Government and know the Sheriff and some of his high ranking officers, and that they may have interceded or ignored complaints on his behalf in the past.

Maybe that explains why this guy needs to trash any conservative he can think of. He may need all the left wing support he can get if this is true.

And whether it is or isn’t he’s still an embarrassment to law enforcement everywhere.

Hopefully this guy ends up getting fired. In the middle of a tragedy even before all the victim’s families had been notified, was neither the time nor the place to bring up the killer’s motives without one stitch of evidence.

If this sheriff had any dignity whatsoever he’d resign.

Bravo, Sheriff Dupnik. We need more and more people trashing the slime named Limbaugh for the record.

This Sheriff should be in the protect and serve business . Which he doesn’t do .
I always thought when 9-11 happened . ” You mean there isn’t a door to the cockpit . I always thought there was since all the 70′s hijacking .”
Same thing here . ” Why would a Sheriff not know of current events happening in his town . And choose the ones he thinks might need a presents . Like a US Senator at a Safeway . ”
This man failed at his job . He and Tucson Police . They are the ONLY ones who are PAID to protect and serve .
They should have been watching occurring events and responded with a presents . Dumb Just Dumb .

Is this guy appointed or elected? Either way, he’s out and his next gig will be on MSNBC.

He’s most likely elected – most sheriffs everywhere are – so he can’t be fired. The elected sheriff is a powerful position in most counties, answer to no one but the voters, and can do pretty much what they want.

Like this halfwit is doing, fo instance.

By the the way, is it just me or does he have the face of a bitter, authortarian old man?

Oh please, does anybody really think this freak listened to Rush? Yea right!

Sherrif Dupnik was right. Limbaugh represents the very face of evil in America. He is a demagogue of the worst kind. He has engaged in the worst type of vitriol that we have seen in nearly 50 years.

The Sheriff is not retreating, rather he is reloading and charging.

I’m a bit troubled by the editing in the clip.

There’s obviously a hard-cut after the “of course” and any reasonable person would conclude that the Sheriff went on the say something else. It may not have changed the “of course”, which is the only questionable part of the clip in my opinion, but whatever he said wasn’t included.

Naturally, I jumped over to Hulu to access the full episode. I didn’t particularly want to watch the full 22 minutes, so I didn’t go to abcnews.com because Hulu’s little preview thing (run your mouse over the progressbar) would allow me to pick out just the parts of the program that included the Sheriff, if I desired.

For those who didn’t watch or who don’t want to visit Hulu, portions of Diane’s interview with the Sheriff is peppered throughout the show and he gives detail of what happens, he talks about what was known about the troubled shooter and then there’s the above, which doesn’t run through the “of course” during the show and we still don’t know what the Sheriff says next.

After viewing the clip and mousing-over the show, I jumped over to abcnews.com, where I found that the above — the clip embedded by Colby — is featured. Obviously this edited, though two seconds longer clip is featured because it’s sure to spark controversy and will likely be embedded across the web, unlike their profile of the victims.

(For full context, if you don’t want to play with your mouse, here’s a link to just Jake Tapper’s report, which is the part which includes the controversial clip.)

Oregon Conservative said:
Is this guy appointed or elected? Either way, he’s out and his next gig will be on MSNBC.

He is elected.

I wonder if any of the residents there who are known to have opposite political views to his are completely confident that he and his Dept can be trusted 100%?

Yeah I’m sure Jared Loughner was a ‘ DittoHead ‘ LOL

The defenders of the Talking heads seem to be on the defensive, why?

skyfet said:
The Sheriff is not retreating, rather he is reloading and charging.

There was just a report of a homicide in the town over from me. Skyfet you have blood on your hands.

This Sheriff should be the next representative for Arizona’s 8th Congressional district.

That’ll learn Loughner, Limbaugh, Palin, and Beck.

Dopenik, a polish philosopher…need I say more?

BTW this is the same person that called anyone who supported the AZ Illigal Immigration Law a racist. So his heated language is not problem apparently.

Nacho said:
This Sheriff should be the next representative for Arizona’s 8th Congressional district. That’ll learn Loughner, Limbaugh, Palin, and Beck.

If your wish for Gov. Brewer to be shot in the head comes true he could be Gov. Best wishes Nacho. Keep the good thought.

armwood said:
Sherrif Dupnik was right. Limbaugh represents the very face of evil in America. He is a demagogue of the worst kind. He has engaged in the worst type of vitriol that we have seen in nearly 50 years.

So have amny on the left…. want a list???

I’m not a fan of Limbaugh’s rhetoric, but I’m also not a fan of the time and venue this sheriff is using to utter his own. Yes, I’m sure the sheriff knows Limbaugh more by reputation rather than actual exposure but that’s not the point. Limbaugh is the perfect asshole to use as a scapegoat to draw attention away from the real issue: why was a lunatic walking around as a free man in this sheriff’s county armed with a automatic weapon when his department knew he was a threat to society?

Using liberal rhetoric to cover for his own incompetence will come back to bite this sheriff in the ass. He’ll have both right and the left coming after him.

armwood said:
Limbaugh represents the very face of evil in America. He is a demagogue of the worst kind. He has engaged in the worst type of vitriol that we have seen in nearly 50 years.

Truth always looks scary to a Liberal, arm-pit. It’s the Leftist’s biggest obstacle.

Feel free to review my motto: Truth and Logic are what’s left standing after the facade of Liberalism crumbles from around them. go, Rush!

The shooter describes The communist manifesto as his favorite book, everyone who knows him says he was a liberal and a pothead, so why the hell would this stupid sheriff be blaming Rush Limbaugh for the actions of a man who probably never listened to Rush Limbaugh. It’s obvious that this man is hungry for publicity. Well, I don’t know if sheriffs are elected in Arizona, but I think it’s time to vote him out.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

murf said:
sky

Interesting! I don’t seem to see it or dripping onto my keyboard.

armwood said:
Sherrif Dupnik was right. Limbaugh represents the very face of evil in America. He is a demagogue of the worst kind. He has engaged in the worst type of vitriol that we have seen in nearly 50 years.

Ah yes, an interesting tactic: respond with alleged “hate” speech with ACTUAL hate speech.

greg454 said:
The shooter describes The communist manifesto as his favorite book, everyone who knows him says he was a liberal and a pothead, so why the hell would this stupid sheriff be blaming Rush Limbaugh for the actions of a man who probably never listened to Rush Limbaugh. It’s obvious that this man is hungry for publicity. Well, I don’t know if sheriffs are elected in Arizona, but I think it’s time to vote him out.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

He also listed Mein Kampf, Ayn Rand, and Plato as well. You shouldn’t engage in partial information.

This guy may be a nut job, but he’s more well read on political philosophy then all of the hacks in the Progressive media.

armwood said:
Sherrif Dupnik was right. Limbaugh represents the very face of evil in America. He is a demagogue of the worst kind. He has engaged in the worst type of vitriol that we have seen in nearly 50 years.

Limbaugh is definitely a demagogue but also describing him as evil falls along that sea of rhetoric that doesn’t seem like a good idea to swim in anymore, fair?

Tony Westover said:
Ah yes, an interesting tactic: respond with alleged “hate” speech with ACTUAL hate speech.

armwood is a paragon of self-awareness deficit.

greg454 said:
The shooter describes The communist manifesto as his favorite book, everyone who knows him says he was a liberal and a pothead, so why the hell would this stupid sheriff be blaming Rush Limbaugh for the actions of a man who probably never listened to Rush Limbaugh. It’s obvious that this man is hungry for publicity. Well, I don’t know if sheriffs are elected in Arizona, but I think it’s time to vote him out.

The short version of the clip is that the Sheriff thinks Rush Limbaugh says some nasty stuff and he doesn’t agree with him; Diane asks if this is the right time to be talking about this and the Dupnik says that it’s his opinion.

He doesn’t “blame” Rush Limbaugh for this incident. He says the overall climate is unhelpful and I don’t know how many times I’ve read that quote about bringing a knife to a gunfight in these forums. Previous discussions about violent imagery and rhetoric hasn’t gained any traction, people are listening now, so why isn’t it time to talk?

Twitter Users Call for Palin’s Death

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/can-we-get-someone-to-shoot-sarah-palin-twitter-users-call-for-palins-death/

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Twitter Users Call for Palin’s Death

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/can-we-get-someone-to-shoot-sarah-palin-twitter-users-call-for-palins-death/

So you don’t care about the 9yr old and the others that were killed? You’d rather post some phony links. You have no shame.

armwood said:
Sherrif Dupnik was right. Limbaugh represents the very face of evil in America. He is a demagogue of the worst kind. He has engaged in the worst type of vitriol that we have seen in nearly 50 years.

If anyone doesn’t know the meaning of the word vitriol it is what Sheriff Dupnik and Armwood are doing.

skyfet said:
So you don’t care about the 9yr old and the others that were killed? You’d rather post some phony links. You have no shame.

So kiling Sarah Palin helps the 9 y/o girl that was killed??? WTF… what logic are you using???

Tatboy, Sky is projecting his shame at what the left has turned this into onto us. It’s called a defense mechanism.

armwood, your vitriol towards Limbaugh is frightening.

writer said:
armwood, your vitriol towards Limbaugh is frightening.

I said HEADS DOWN! No rebuttals allowed! If we accuse you of being an accessory to mass murder, you keep your damn mouth shut if you know what’s good for you! ;)

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
sky

It’s what you’ve been doing all day and yesterday. Not giving condolence to the bereaved, but rather engaging in the tit for tat that normally goes on here. You have no shame, you are a disgrace to the people of Utah, Dakota, Wyoming, wherever you are from. I wonder if you’d have gone into the local bar/pub or diner and talk about the libs as everyone is sympathizing with the bereave. You make me sick.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/11/arizona.shooting/

Just read the above story discussing the shooter’s potential insanity plea. Starting to wonder if he isn’t as crazy as people think. Disturbed? Definitely. But clinically insane? I’m thinking no. As one expert says, there was a significant amount of planning involved here, something that means mental illness might not be the culprit here. Maybe he just wanted to kill someone.

You make me sick.

Ditto.

It seems to me Paul that the sheriff and those in the media blaming Palin are helping him with his defense. They may want to think about that.

If everyone including Dupnik knew that Rep. Giffords was receiving threats why wasn’t there more security at the shopping center that day? In fact, I have not heard of anyone from the sheriff’s department that was there at the time of the shooting.

armwood said:
Sherrif Dupnik was right. Limbaugh represents the very face of evil in America. He is a demagogue of the worst kind. He has engaged in the worst type of vitriol that we have seen in nearly 50 years.

Some of you sound surprised at armpit’s comments. When I read it, this is what I saw-

armwood represents the very face of evil in America. He is a demagogue of the worst kind. He has engaged in the worst type of vitriol that we have seen in nearly 50 years. He loves Van Jones, but hates Clarence Thomas. Go figure.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
It seems to me Paul that the sheriff and those in the media blaming Palin are helping him with his defense. They may want to think about that.

Are you drawing a distinction between a discussion of the crosshairs and directly blaming Palin for the shooting, or are they exactly the same? Isn’t it fair to discuss the crosshairs considering Giffords is on it? How does one responsibly talk about that? Is the entire media directly blaming Palin for this?

Magister said:
The short version of the clip is that the Sheriff thinks Rush Limbaugh says some nasty stuff and he doesn’t agree with him; Diane asks if this is the right time to be talking about this and the Dupnik says that it’s his opinion.

He doesn’t “blame” Rush Limbaugh for this incident. He says the overall climate is unhelpful and I don’t know how many times I’ve read that quote about bringing a knife to a gunfight in these forums. Previous discussions about violent imagery and rhetoric hasn’t gained any traction, people are listening now, so why isn’t it time to talk?

Thanks for posting the Hulu clip, and thanks for another sensible post…it’s a damn shame that many of the regular posters here will simply ignore it (or just give you the automatic thumbs down).

skyfet said:
It’s what you’ve been doing all day and yesterday. Not giving condolence to the bereaved, but rather engaging in the tit for tat that normally goes on here. You have no shame, you are a disgrace to the people of Utah, Dakota, Wyoming, wherever you are from. I wonder if you’d have gone into the local bar/pub or diner and talk about the libs as everyone is sympathizing with the bereave. You make me sick.

So the left using this to gain political leverage before the bodies were cold…. what the hell was that? They took a situation that was no dofferent than Reagan, Kennedy, Ford, or the other more history attempts on politicins and sought max political gain in the immediat aftermath. They were looking to pin this on people they ALREADY hated. Shame.

skyfet said:
So you don’t care about the 9yr old and the others that were killed? You’d rather post some phony links. You have no shame.

skyfet said:
It’s what you’ve been doing all day and yesterday. Not giving condolence to the bereaved, but rather engaging in the tit for tat that normally goes on here. You have no shame, you are a disgrace to the people of Utah, Dakota, Wyoming, wherever you are from. I wonder if you’d have gone into the local bar/pub or diner and talk about the libs as everyone is sympathizing with the bereave. You make me sick.

Please show us some correspondence you sent to Paul Kruger, Keith Obhermann, Rachael Maddow, or Dick Durbin making the same admonishments. Cause’ otherwise you are just another biased Democrat campaigner no better than the “good” sheriff. Unfortunately, he’s being paid by Arizona taxpayers to campaign for Democrats against freedom of speech. You, on the other hand get what you deserve…………..nothing.

Paul, we talked about this. I posted several links of the media blaming Palin, Beck, FOX, etc. Did you see those? I guess you can interperet them how you want, but yes, they directly blamed her and the right for the attacks.

tatboy said:
So kiling Sarah Palin helps the 9 y/o girl that was killed??? WTF… what logic are you using???

No! it means one of your friends made a phony comment on twitter to divert from reality. Just like some of them are linking the mad shooter to BO and their other opponents. Remember when people make things up like Britebar, yeah, stuff like that. So don’t tell me about Palin, look at the folks that are hurt (Bereave family members, and the people in hospital recovering). She has loads of money for bodyguards(as Beck advised her), but for those folks, there love ones are not coming back.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Paul, we talked about this. I posted several links of the media blaming Palin, Beck, FOX, etc. Did you see those? I guess you can interperet them how you want, but yes, they directly blamed her and the right for the attacks.

I did see those. They were 2 or 3 people paid to be opinionated talking about the shooting. That is a far cry from the entire media. Keith Olbermann does not represent the entire media. How are you concluding that the entire media is directly blaming Palin for the shooting?

Again, are you drawing a distinction between a discussion of the crosshairs and directly blaming Palin for the shooting, or are they exactly the same? Isn’t it fair to discuss the crosshairs considering Giffords is on it?

Sure it’s fair to discuss the crosshair thing, Paul, but in my opinoin, they are going WAY beyond that. Did you see ANY of the media point out the the Dems also had a crosshairs map?

Sky says:

No! it means one of your friends made a phony comment on twitter to divert from reality.

So you know the person who did this and he’s a conservative? Man the LIES never stop with you libs do they?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Sure it’s fair to discuss the crosshair thing, Paul, but in my opinoin, they are going WAY beyond that. Did you see ANY of the media point out the the Dems also had a crosshairs map?

I have seen discussions of heated and violent rhetoric coming from politicians on both sides of the aisle. There are always people who take things too far. The problem is the crazies get all the attention, so Keith Olbermann ends up representing everyone left-of-center when in fact he represents the thinking of very few people. I don’t think the entire media is blaming Palin for the shooting, saying she is directly responsible.

skyfet said:
It’s what you’ve been doing all day and yesterday. Not giving condolence to the bereaved, but rather engaging in the tit for tat that normally goes on here. You have no shame, you are a disgrace to the people of Utah, Dakota, Wyoming, wherever you are from. I wonder if you’d have gone into the local bar/pub or diner and talk about the libs as everyone is sympathizing with the bereave. You make me sick.

Your compassion …….It shines like a beacon. The way you honor those that have passed by spewing venom and hate ……..inspiring , truly .

@Seeing 2012 From My Window, “Sure it’s fair to discuss the crosshair thing, Paul, but in my opinoin, they are going WAY beyond that. Did you see ANY of the media point out the the Dems also had a crosshairs map?”

The DCCC website has pulled the bulls eyes off of their map, however, the search engine description still mentions them:

Recovery for America – Democratic Congressional Campaign …
Welcome to Recovery for America, a project of the … how your state will benefit from recovery by using our recovery map … Click on a red bullseye to view a Republican …

http://www.dccc.org/content/recovery

http://www.dccc.org/races

Paul, I respect you, because you’re not hateful like alot of the libs here, so I want you honest opinion on this. Do you think the media was pushing a “Palin, Beck, and FOX” are responsible meme?

Fair question Michelle. I only watched CNN and Fox News on Saturday night (normally I never watch any cable news). I didn’t see any specific blaming going on. I haven’t watched any news since then. MSNBC is a partisan network and I’m sure Olbermann and Schultz are playing the blame game. It’s what they do. As for the entire media, that’s a whole lot of people and organizations and publications. Palin and Beck and political rhetoric are being discussed at length. I think that’s very, very different from directly holding them responsible for the shooting. I don’t think the entire media is doing that. The partisan commentators do not represent the entire media.

I would comment, but my plane has just arrived.

Okay, I’m back.

Thanks for your assessment Paul. Of course, when I say ALL media, I mean the biggies, ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT. And unfortunately, I can point to the big names on all of them pointing the finger. I wish it weren’t the case and we could just put the focus on the victims where it belongs.

Paul, just wanted to add it’s not that the media is saying point blank, Palin is a murderer (other than a few liberal loons), but when Andrea Mitchell, a supposed non-partisan biggee at NBC plays clips of Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, and the sheriff coming out and blaming them, what impression do you think they are trying to pass on? She didn’t play any clips of Olbermann, Schultz, Mike Malloy, Tingles, etc, just those on the right. Are you still willing to say they aren’t pointing the finger?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Thanks for your assessment Paul. Of course, when I say ALL media, I mean the biggies, ABC, NBC, CBS, NYT. And unfortunately, I can point to the big names on all of them pointing the finger. I wish it weren’t the case and we could just put the focus on the victims where it belongs.

I just wonder what is thought of the networks giving a forum to this obviously biased sheriff neck deep in CYA…..is that not simply pointing the finger of blame with somebody elses fingers used?

Perky Katie may not come right out and state it but by giving this incompetnet political hack a forum……you might as well state it yourself.

ESPECIALLY if you let these comments go unchallenged.

I think most of the discussion is around heated political rhetoric as opposed to placing direct blame on certain people for the shooting. There are certain key players, from both sides of the aisle, in the heated political rhetoric arena and any discussion should include both sides. I do think events like this bring out the worst in the media and causes them to simplify and sensationalize while desperately searching for answers and explanations. One could argue though that they are just giving people what they want.

libra blue said:
If everyone including Dupnik knew that Rep. Giffords was receiving threats why wasn’t there more security at the shopping center that day? In fact, I have not heard of anyone from the sheriff’s department that was there at the time of the shooting.

Because Loghners Mommy works for the county dude. She works for the board of sups.

Go figure why:

1. nothing was done to this nutball
2. sheriff moron is out trying to lay the blame at the feet of Rush and Beck.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Funny, I read that the Sheriff knew of the shooter for some times and his threats. Is there a reason we can’t include that in the article? One might think he’s playing a little CYA and using the leftist meme to do it.

Meidaite is helping to spread this trash, not debunk it.

paulmdoro said:
I think most of the discussion is around heated political rhetoric as opposed to placing direct blame on certain people for the shooting. There are certain key players, from both sides of the aisle, in the heated political rhetoric arena and any discussion should include both sides. I do think events like this bring out the worst in the media and causes them to simplify and sensationalize while desperately searching for answers and explanations. One could argue though that they are just giving people what they want.

Is less speech/information/discourse/debate/verbal interaction/communication a bad thing?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Funny, I read that the Sheriff knew of the shooter for some times and his threats. Is there a reason we can’t include that in the article? One might think he’s playing a little CYA and using the leftist meme to do it.

Only acute paranoiacs think that.

VoiceofReason said:
Is less speech/information/discourse/debate/verbal interaction/communication a bad thing?

Generally speaking, no, I don’t think so. Don’t think it’s possible either.

armwood said:
Sherrif Dupnik was right. Limbaugh represents the very face of evil in America. He is a demagogue of the worst kind. He has engaged in the worst type of vitriol that we have seen in nearly 50 years.

You’re absolutely right about that. When it comes to demagoguery and vitriol, Beckerhead and Bill-o are mere amateurs. Lard Limbaugh is the pro.

Thank for your candor, Paul. I always appreciate it, even if we disagree.

My pleasure Michelle. Glad you are interested in an adult discussion.

Dronetek says:

Meidaite is helping to spread this trash, not debunk it.

For reasons of self-preservation, I’ll plead the fifth on this one. But let’s just say my tongue is bleeding from self-inflicted bite marks.

” We have a long history of political violence in America, and when the discourse heated as it did, as early as October 2008, when it was clear that Palin was going to pull McCain down into cesspool from which the campaign would never recover, reaching its “high” point in the 2009 Town Halls and continuing through the Congressional Lame Duck Session, every thoughtful American ought to have known it was just a matter of time.” RRK

You rightists are paranoid. No one has linked Palin to violence.

Royal says:

Only acute paranoiacs think that.

Yeah, that Reuters bunch is as conservative as they come.

I have posted my general take on this whole discussion on my podcast which can be accessed here;

http://www.armwood.com/Podcasts.php

Yes, and this horse’s ass just announced he is looking for a 2nd shooter who was on a grassy knoll.

I had a vision last night. Michelle in Utah had climbed up really with her Beckerhead blow-up doll and was standing on the bell of Moroni’s trumpet swatting at invisible jet fighters. I don’t know if this was a message from the heavens or simply too many grilled jalapeno peppers on my cheeseburger, but I was very worried when I woke up.

armwood said:
I have posted my general take on this whole discussion on my podcast which can be accessed here;

http://www.armwood.com/Podcasts.php

That’s very good of you, Armwood. Many thanks.

This hateful rhetoric towards Mormons has got to stop.

For those that don’t know, Pima County, which contains left-wing tuscon (home of nut-job bearded marxist boycotter grijalva) is a de-facto ILLEGALS sanctuary area dominated by d-crat socialists, unlike the sanity that prevails in the rest of Arizona. dupnik is, of course, a lunatic-left d-crat socialist extremist who is so irresponsible he has consistently REFUSED to enforce ANY immigration laws, whether they be state or federal. His inflammatory bs rhetoric is exactly what one expects from the lunatic-left.

Isnt this idiot influencing the jury pool on the case?

The Real Royal King said:
Beckerhead blow-up doll

You and SarahP , vinyl fetishists .

TeaPartyPatriot said:
For those that don’t know, Pima County, which contains left-wing tuscon (home of nut-job bearded marxist boycotter grijalva) is a de-facto ILLEGALS sanctuary area dominated by d-crat socialists, unlike the sanity that prevails in the rest of Arizona. dupnik is, of course, a lunatic-left d-crat socialist extremist who is so irresponsible he has consistently REFUSED to enforce ANY immigration laws, whether they be state or federal. His inflammatory bs rhetoric is exactly what one expects from the lunatic-left.

Speaking of inflammatory rhetoric, pot meet kettle. Once again your political analysis is inaccurate. Giffords district is a swing district.

writer said:
This hateful rhetoric towards Mormons has got to stop.

I was speaking of local architecture. To be sure, the Sistine Chapel, it’s not and it lacks the grace of Sacré-Coeur, the presence of St. Paul’s, the dignity of St. John the Divine, the sense of time of the Hohe Domkirche St. Peter und Maria, but it is still a formidable design and erection. It warrants mention.

Dims targeting repubs in 2004 with bulls-eyes:

http://www.zocial.tv/today/News/7423459/sarahpac-v-dlc-target-maps

George C said:
You and SarahP , vinyl fetishists .

* snicker *

The Huffington Puffington post HAD this article on their site, but have mysteriously removed it:

If Palin Lived in Pakistan, Could She Face a Drone Strike?

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/01/11-4

Now why would those soldiers of peace do that?

Big Eddie said:
January 11, 2011 at 10:43 am Big Eddie(Qu

The worst part about this, Eddie, is that Sheriff DupDICK is jeopardizing this case by speaking openly to the press. He’s the chief LEO of that county, and part of the investigation – the defense lawyer can use any and all of the Sheriff’s public statements to cause a mistrial. He’s a disgrace to the Law Enforcement Community, both past and current. He is why agencies have designated PIOs (Public Information Officers). He’s really doing this whole situation a disservice, although he is serving his own political purpose at the expense of the justice system.

I believe Michelle and Paul should be banned from these boards. This is no place for a decent, intelligent discussion between people who may not always agree! (Thank you, M & P. I had pretty much given up on Mediaite.)

King, are the jet fighters part of the architecture? They must be, since I know you never use hateful or insulting rhetoric.

BTW, King. I’d like to discuss architecture with you, but my plane has just arrived.

Okay, I’m back.

writer said:
King, are the jet fighters part of the architecture? They must be, since I know you never use hateful or insulting rhetoric.

What part of “invisible” don’t you grasp? They were imaginary. Old Michelle-in-Utah saw them. The visions didn’t include them. It only included a crazed woman on top of a tall building of some architectural merit thrashing about.

Oh, I see. I thought for a minute there you were being hateful towards ‘Michell-in-Utah.

I knew I had seen this guy before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9foSmSM1dw

During the McCarthy era in the ’50s, someone said to McCarthy, “Have you no shame?” It was the beginning of the end of McCarthy. Maybe this lawman, calling out Limbaugh, will have the same effect. Although it’s unlikely, since Limbaugh and Beck and the rest of the shouters have no shame to call them on.

Elaine Jesmer said:
During the McCarthy era in the ’50s, someone said to McCarthy, “Have you no shame?” It was the beginning of the end of McCarthy. Maybe this lawman, calling out Limbaugh, will have the same effect. Although it’s unlikely, since Limbaugh and Beck and the rest of the shouters have no shame to call them on.

you a liberal? never mind i know

halekai says:
I believe Michelle and Paul should be banned from these boards. This is no place for a decent, intelligent discussion between people who may not always agree! (Thank you, M & P. I had pretty much given up on Mediaite.)

Why thank you. I am perfectly capable of having a respectful debate with someone on the other side who is willing. Sadly, it doesn’t happen much.

Yes sadly some are more interested in petty insults about personal matters such as an individual’s religion, things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

George C said:
You and SarahP , vinyl fetishists .

Hey, whats wrong with vinyl? I still have nearly 400 LPs. They actually if well maintained generally sound better than CDs, especially on naturally recorded acoustic music like jazz, classical, folk bluegrass etc. You do need a good stereo system though to really notice the difference.

armwood said:
Hey, whats wrong with vinyl? I still have nearly 400 LPs. They actually if well maintained generally sound better than CDs, especially on naturally recorded acoustic music like jazz, classical, folk bluegrass etc. You do need a good stereo system though to really notice the difference.

I meant nearly 400o LPs.

armwood said:
I meant nearly 400o LPs.

Is it 400 or 400o?

Ignorance & fanatacism are ever busy & require feeding. Limbaugh & fellow-travelers serve up heaps of nutrition. Their false snide attitudes, the perpetual sneer, the increasing lack of rudimentary civility that rip asunder the national fabric. You can see it, you can hear it. It hurts the ears – and makes the heart sore. They stand for nothing – but are against everything. They display the old Gangland practice of insuring solidarity – thru complicity. Discovering their self-worth – thru hate. Diseased minds so black they would even obscure the darkness of Hell itself. Dupnik is correct. Such people are not even fit subjects for moral judgment. One can neither enlighten nor draw comfort from such empty, vacuous minds.

armwood is 400 lbs.?

Victor Cornelius said:
Is it 400 or 400o?

4000

writer said:
armwood is 400 lbs.?

No where near that. Why do you feel so insecure that you need to insult other people to feel good?

Sarah questions Barack about the shooting smears… http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8251389/

armwood said:
Hey, whats wrong with vinyl?

Not a thing , as long as the Trigene dispenser is topped off before the Rangerbob “meetings ” commence .

Tribunal said:
Hopefully this guy ends up getting fired. In the middle of a tragedy even before all the victim’s families had been notified, was neither the time nor the place to bring up the killer’s motives without one stitch of evidence.

The office of Sheriff is an elected position, what this man did is the epitome of blind vitriol partisan political rhetoric. I don’t know when he comes up for reelection but the people in his county ought to give this hack the Jonah toss!

It was interesting to hear him describe the people of his state as “bigots” no doubt an offhanded attack on Arizona’s attempt to stem the tide of illegals flooding into their state, with law enforcement officials like this idiot is it any wonder why they just refuse to enforce our immigration laws.

One last thing, I remember when Bush was president all the hate filled rhetoric spewing from the left and they even made a movie about his assassination so I think it’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black!

Harry Flashman said:
He’s most likely elected – most sheriffs everywhere are – so he can’t be fired. The elected sheriff is a powerful position in most counties, answer to no one but the voters, and can do pretty much what they want. Like this halfwit is doing, fo instance. By the the way, is it just me or does he have the face of a bitter, authortarian old man?

He is an elected official and is as powerful as you suggested. I doubt he will be voted out due to this as the majority of Pima county is like minded. Tucson is also as good as a sanctuary city and the open borders people will never vote him out. The shooters mother is reported to work for Pima County and some are saying she had influence in getting the charges dropped which would make Sheriff Dubcek really look bad. But even then I don’t think Pima county will vote him out.

Ajolily said:
He is an elected official and is as powerful as you suggested. I doubt he will be voted out due to this as the majority of Pima county is like minded. Tucson is also as good as a sanctuary city and the open borders people will never vote him out.

Living in Tucson , I can assure you that Tucson is not a sanctuary city . The rest of your post is as ill informed.

Nachi says: “Ignorance & fanatacism are ever busy & require feeding. Limbaugh & fellow-travelers serve up heaps of nutrition.”

Yeah….thank God Olbermann, Schultz, Maddow, and Matthews don’t do that kind of thing.

Damn those double meanings…..

The worst part about this, Eddie, is that Sheriff DupDICK is jeopardizing this case by speaking openly to the press. He’s the chief LEO of that county, and part of the investigation – the defense lawyer can use any and all of the Sheriff’s public statements to cause a mistrial. He’s a disgrace to the Law Enforcement Community, both past and current. He is why agencies have designated PIOs (Public Information Officers). He’s really doing this whole situation a disservice, although he is serving his own political purpose at the expense of the justice system.

Mistrial, try that at the federal level! May be that you don’t want this sheriff to speak out, but if a mistrial was much of a chance “Fox” would have got some of their buddies off, such as Delay!

armwood said:
Sherrif Dupnik was right. Limbaugh represents the very face of evil in America. He is a demagogue of the worst kind. He has engaged in the worst type of vitriol that we have seen in nearly 50 years.

I hardly think so Mr. Armwood. Although I do not listen to Mr. Limbaugh on a regular basis, on the times I have listened to him, I have NEVER heard him say anthing that would incite anyone to violence. It is true that I have heard him make comments that were spun by his distractors into being “racist,” but in actuality, they were not. The premise that we should be self-reliant and self-actualizing has nothing to do with race and everything to do with seeking independence. I believe this comment was also made by Charles Payne–an individual whom I personally admire and would consider a role model for anyone.

Sheriff Dupnik, however, used all his ability to spin the tragic shootings for political gain–given that there are so many grieving over the tragic losses and injuries to thier loved ones, it simply is not appropriate to do such a thing. I would have hoped that everyone would step back, seek out the facts, examine them, and go forward with a clear understanding of what happened and why, but this was not to be the case: Too many liberals have tried to use this event to further their political agenda. It is curious to note that while it appears Loughner was definitely NOT a member of some right-wing fringe group, none of the people I’ve heard who align themselves with conservatism have sought to point this out. If you have evidience to the contrary, why don’t you provide such and let’s debate it.

The Real Royal King said:
I had a vision last night.

So did the Tucson killer on Friday night.

armwood said:
I have posted my general take on this whole discussion on my podcast which can be accessed here; http://www.armwood.com/Podcasts.php

I hardly ever click links, but I couldn’t help myself. Sure did put a lot of work into all that to still have 0 comments on the site…Bombshell (GBR) would be proud…or jealous.

snicker…chortle…guffaw…ha ha…(and then breaks into maniacal laughter).

Nachi said:
Ignorance & fanatacism are ever busy & require feeding. Limbaugh & fellow-travelers serve up heaps of nutrition. Their false snide attitudes, the perpetual sneer, the increasing lack of rudimentary civility that rip asunder the national fabric. You can see it, you can hear it. It hurts the ears – and makes the heart sore. They stand for nothing – but are against everything. They display the old Gangland practice of insuring solidarity – thru complicity. Discovering their self-worth – thru hate. Diseased minds so black they would even obscure the darkness of Hell itself. Dupnik is correct. Such people are not even fit subjects for moral judgment. One can neither enlighten nor draw comfort from such empty, vacuous minds.

And you offer zero, nada evidence of how any of this played a role in this incident.

Not one thing,son.

The only logical, and factual link that can be made is between Mr.Dupe-nick, and his opposition to the vast majority of Arizona citizens regarding his lack of immigration law enforcement.
As I stated on the first day of the shooting in Arizona, the political beggars would be using this tragedy to attack the 2nd Amendment. It took only two days!

The Real Royal King said:
erection. It warrants mention.

It certainly does.

BowenIsland said:
Living in Tucson , I can assure you that Tucson is not a sanctuary city . The rest of your post is as ill informed.

How is it ill informed. I said Tucson is AS GOOD AS a sanctuary city. With a sheriff who refuses to enforce the immigrations laws, is very vocally against SB1070 and is supportive of the open borders crowd how can you say it is not. As to the rest do you deny that Pima County is liberal? Do you deny they are and have been behind Sheriff Dubnik? Do you deny he is powerful because he is elected and is supported by the people in Pima County and cannot be fired except in an election cycle? Do you deny that the open borders people will continue to vote for him? I was raised in Pima County, have lived in Tucson, have relatives still living in Tucson and currently live in Mesa, AZ so you are not talking to someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about. I used to live right around the corner from where this all happened.

paulmdoro said:
Generally speaking, no, I don’t think so. Don’t think it’s possible either.

On this we agree.

Even if I don’t care for what’s being said or agree with it, I can’t think of single situation where less is better.

BowenIsland said:
Living in Tucson , I can assure you that Tucson is not a sanctuary city . The rest of your post is as ill informed.

Might as well be. Your sheriff has been plenty vocal in the past with regard to his sentiments with regard to immigration laws.

Pretty disingenuous of you isn’t it?

Ajolily said:
How is it ill informed. I said Tucson is AS GOOD AS a sanctuary city. With a sheriff who refuses to enforce the immigrations laws, is very vocally against SB1070 and is supportive of the open borders crowd how can you say it is not

Pima county processed 250,000 Illegal immigrants last year alone . As good as a sanctuary city , lol , I wish Phoenix was as “soft “on illegals .

VoiceofReason said:
Pretty disingenuous of you isn’t it?

Read answer above.

armwood said:
No where near that. Why do you feel so insecure that you need to insult other people to feel good?

One would ask you the same question if they gave a shit why you did what you did………….

VoiceofReason said:
Might as well be. Your sheriff has been plenty vocal in the past with regard to his sentiments with regard to immigration laws.

Pretty disingenuous of you isn’t it?

BowenIsland said:
Pima county processed 250,000 Illegal immigrants last year alone . As good as a sanctuary city , lol , I wish Phoenix was as “soft “on illegals . Read answer above.

Processed? And that means?

Also I’m sure you have a reputable cite for that figure right?

One other also too……250K of how many? I saw a recent demo for Pima and it showed 40% of the pop was hispanic…….any idea how many that is and how many are here legally?

BowenIsland said:
Pretty disingenuous of you isn’t it?

Nope. Do you need links to his comments decrying 1070 or calling any opponents to open borders and unfettered access to the US ….no matter the reasoning….racists?

BTW, I’ve noticed you are full on ready to pick the fly shit out of pepper in my posts but ignore the evidence provided just a post before.

but no obfuscation on your part right……..

BTW II…….you couldn’t process 250K mexicans in my county so that’s why it seems to me that you have an II problem that your LE community doesn’t seem to be tackling very well.

I can only compare to what I know.

VoiceofReason said:
Also I’m sure you have a reputable cite for that figure right?

“We are just one of nine sectors along the Southwest border, but our sector last year accounted for 380,000 arrests for people being here illegally and nearly a million pounds of marijuana being brought across the international border,” said Chief U.S. District Judge John M. Roll of Tucson. ”

http://minorityresources.us/article/1417/Lack-of-data-for-tracking-illegal-immigrant-crimes-Illegal-Immigrant-Data.html

Chief U.S. District Judge John M. Roll of Tucson……… How’s that ?

VoiceofReason said:
Do you need links to his comments decrying 1070 or calling any opponents to open borders and unfettered access to the US ….no matter the reasoning….racists?

I don’t need links to anything about what people say . I gave you a link about what people DO here.

VoiceofReason said:
BTW II…….you couldn’t process 250K mexicans in my county so that’s why it seems to me that you have an II problem that your LE community doesn’t seem to be tackling very well.

You’re an idiot .

‘ it seems to you ” Well then it must be true . Dope

BowenIsland said:
Chief U.S. District Judge John M. Roll of Tucson……… How’s that ?

BOOM !!!!!!!

BowenIsland said:
Pima county processed 250,000 Illegal immigrants last year alone . As good as a sanctuary city , lol , I wish Phoenix was as “soft “on illegals .

Most of those arrested and processed are by border patrol not the sheriffs people or in Tucson. Then you compare apples and oranges when you suggest that Maricopa county should have processed as many as Pima country. Pima borders over half of the Arizona Mexico border while Maricopa borders zero. You suggest Phoenix is soft on illegals compared to Tucson? LOL, LOL! We have Shariff Joe Aripio and you have Shariff Dubnik. I sure don’t think the illegals will agree with you. Due to Shariff Joe many illegals have found it prudent to circumvent his areas where they can.

Sheriff Joe for Sec of Defense!!

Anne 1 said:
Not a thing , as long as the Trigene dispenser is topped off before the Rangerbob “meetings ” commence .

Read one of the High End Audio Magazines like “The Absolute Sound”
http://www.avguide.com/buyers-guide/the-absolute-soundhi-fi-guide-vinyl-playback

and “Stereophile”.

They still sell turntables but the good ones are very expensive. I used to be heavily into high end audio,
I used to have the gold version IV of this turntable
http://www.stereophile.com/category/turntable-reviews/

You need a record clean machine and plastic sleeves on your LPs. I have a lot of records I have had over 40 years and they are in great condition.

Nahu Tuk said:
I hardly think so Mr. Armwood. Although I do not listen to Mr. Limbaugh on a regular basis, on the times I have listened to him, I have NEVER heard him say anthing that would incite anyone to violence. It is true that I have heard him make comments that were spun by his distractors into being “racist,” but in actuality, they were not. The premise that we should be self-reliant and self-actualizing has nothing to do with race and everything to do with seeking independence. I believe this comment was also made by Charles Payne–an individual whom I personally admire and would consider a role model for anyone.

Sheriff Dupnik, however, used all his ability to spin the tragic shootings for political gain–given that there are so many grieving over the tragic losses and injuries to thier loved ones, it simply is not appropriate to do such a thing. I would have hoped that everyone would step back, seek out the facts, examine them, and go forward with a clear understanding of what happened and why, but this was not to be the case: Too many liberals have tried to use this event to further their political agenda. It is curious to note that while it appears Loughner was definitely NOT a member of some right-wing fringe group, none of the people I’ve heard who align themselves with conservatism have sought to point this out. If you have evidience to the contrary, why don’t you provide such and let’s debate it.

Spun as racist. You have got to be kidding! Ignorance and denial are dangerous thing, unless of course you share his vile, un-American views.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp

http://mediamatters.org/research/200910130049

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2010/07/rush_limbaugh_i_1.php

VoiceofReason said:
One would ask you the same question if they gave a shit why you did what you did………….

Why are you so crude? You really need to learn how to write a and speak like a civilized person.

SmartAlec said:
I hardly ever click links, but I couldn’t help myself. Sure did put a lot of work into all that to still have 0 comments on the site…Bombshell (GBR) would be proud…or jealous.

snicker…chortle…guffaw…ha ha…(and then breaks into maniacal laughter).

I have plenty of subscribers you idiot.

SmartAlec said:
I hardly ever click links, but I couldn’t help myself. Sure did put a lot of work into all that to still have 0 comments on the site…Bombshell (GBR) would be proud…or jealous.

snicker…chortle…guffaw…ha ha…(and then breaks into maniacal laughter).

It was obvious you don’t click links. That is why you have no clue about what you post. You don’t read. You are a self admitted, totally clueless troll. What a dumb statement to make ” hardly ever click links”, You don’t even see how foolish that makes you look. I am trying not to laugh at your pathetic comment. I really feel sorry for you.

armpit- you must be the most ignorant person that God ever stretched a patch of skin over.
I don’t need to click links, especially yours. I do my own research. I might visit the same site, but I have a rule, NO CLICKS!!

If I posted a link, you wouldn’t click it…so save your “sorry”. I certainly don’t need it from you.

armwood said:
You don’t read.

I’ll put my past, current, and future reading list up against yours any day.

Please kids, stay away from endoctrination like armpit, do drugs instead…they are less harmful.

armwood said:
I really feel sorry for you

No you don’t. You really hate me…come on, you can say it. Just like you hate Clarence Thomas.

SmartAlec said:
No you don’t. You really hate me…come on, you can say it. Just like you hate Clarence Thomas.

I said I feel sorry for you,I have never like you so how could I hate you. Hate is not the opposite of love nor is love the opposite of hate. The opposite of both is the same, indifference. I also feel sorry for Clarence Thomas. It is said to talk to someone and see the obvious sadness and bitterness in their eyes.

By the way you said you could read, ha ha ha.

SmartAlec said:
armpit- you must be the most ignorant person that God ever stretched a patch of skin over.
I don’t need to click links, especially yours. I do my own research. I might visit the same site, but I have a rule, NO CLICKS!!

If I posted a link, you wouldn’t click it…so save your “sorry”. I certainly don’t need it from you.

You really don’t get it. You are one of these people who don’t think they can learn from other people. When I am hear I click on every single link posted here. I also subscribe to a 120 RSS feeds which I scan and read two or three times per day. We are very different.

will you two get a room or stfu, this is not your personal blog. Jesus kiss and make up or just stfu. You’re both ignorant

Speaking of Ignorance

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One question: Why is Dianne Sawyer coaching (coaxing) the interviewee? Her manner was not impartial at all.

And, SmartAlec and armwood, you’re both selfish jerks for hijacking this discussion thread for your own egos’ satisfaction. Please let it drop.