Dems want to talk about the corruption by Goldman Sacks?

Hummmm, I wonder who got most of GS’s political donations in the last two elections:

Cycle Total Democrats Republicans % to Dems % to Repubs
2010 $693,675 $476,375 $217,300 69% 31%
2008 $5,934,089 $4,463,788 $1,459,961 75% 25%

Political donations aren’t illegal. If Goldman broke the law, it wasn’t because of the donatiions. So tell me, what does this have to do with this story? Except to change the subject because Bill looks like an idiot defending these thieves!

The Dems are in bed with GS, rox!

I thought Dems were for the people and hated big banks- oh, no- that makes them hypocrites again!

“Dems want to talk about the corruption by Goldman Sacks?”

That’s the difference between Dems and GOPbaggers…
Dems will take your money and then prosecute and regulate you.
Rightys will take your money and then lay down like the lackey whores they are.

Glynnis is right on this. As I have said to my clients a million times, never write anything in an email that you wouldn’t want to read on the front page of the NYT. Forget about Congress. Anything inculpatory that you write is subject to civil discovery and will inevitably be leaked to the press by unscrupulous plaintiffs’ attorneys (even if you have a protective order from the court). That may not be fair in the grand scheme of things, but that’s the world we live in and I don’t see it changing any time soon.

Big_F-ing_Deal – Yes, Ive’ seen Dodd go after Countrywide for its abuses. NOT He liked his sweetheart deal to much.

And Barney after Fannie Mae whom he protected? NOT barney caused Fannie to go down in flames.

Not in this case, foolio.

I was watching, and the part the Bill was put off by was when Juan said that the head up a company has the right to your emails, implying that the gov’t is in charge of privately owned companies. Of course, Glynnis always misses the point.

So if political donations , Rox , are not illegal and have nothing to do with the way in which a particular party governs , how did you feel about the money given to the GOP by Enron ? Or was that different ?

Oh and Glynnis & Juan, are you outraged that the head of GS has been at the Whitehouse a number of times? Probably not, I’d guess.

Umm..how many times was it again that Loyd Blankfein met with Obammie at the WH again last year??

5…6??

Wonder what they were talking about

So to be clear, what do the tea partiers say about Goldman, Sachs? The government should be regulating securities matters, or not?

roxsteady,
If you had actually watched the segment, you would know that Bill made it a point of saying he WASN’T defending GS. Why must libs always leave out pertenent info? Why can’t we be outraged at what Levin did and NOT be defending GS at the same time?

“implying that the gov’t is in charge of privately owned companies.”

Juan was saying that when a company is charged with corruption or fraud by the govt they DO have a right to pertinent email accounts.

As usual Kristol distorted that like he does everything else. And Wallace should watch his goddamn derisive snorting. Very unprofessional imo.

NO, Juan said the owner of a company has the right and when Bill asked him for confirmation that that’s what he meant, he did NOT deny it.

HAHA….Kristol interupts and shouts questions and because Juan doesn’t categorically deny his ravings he agrees with him?

That’s a nice deal you rightys have.

Interesting that Kristol had no problems with the leaked “climategate” emails, which Fox treated as heroic and quoted for weeks.

Whatever, I’m done beating my head against a wall. Libs don’t listen anyway.

See ya!

shootfromthehip, so if Bush had leaked the Climeategate emails, you would have been ok with that? Just making sure I have it right.

@Big_F-ing_Deal

“HAHA….Kristol interupts and shouts questions and because Juan doesn’t categorically deny his ravings he agrees with him?” Much like you seem to do here . No ?

“Very unprofessional imo” Hate to use your own name against you ,but Big_F-ing_Deal

shootfromthehip says:
April 25, 2010 at 5:30 pm

Interesting that Kristol had no problems with the leaked “climategate” emails, which Fox treated as heroic and quoted for weeks.”

LOL

THEY were leaked by the Chairman of a Congressional Committee investing global warming???

hahahaha

No need to engage in hypothetical leaks.

The Bush administration, in an orchestrated campaign between Armitage and Cheney’s office, leaked the identity of an active CIA agent (Valerie Wilson) as cheap political payback for what her husband wrote in an NY Times Op-Ed.

That was not only a breach of national security; it was and is a potential violation of law. Under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, it is a crime for anyone who has access to classified information to disclose intentionally information identifying a covert agent. The punishment for such an offense is a fine of up to $50,000 and/or up to ten years in prison. Journalists are protected from prosecution, unless they engage in a “pattern of activities” to name agents in order to impair US intelligence activities.

Shame no one had the balls to prosecute the traitors of the Bush admin.

Yo, Bill Kristol, you have to knock a Liberal over the head with a crow bar just to get his attention. Next time come prepared. Juan Williams is a hopeless, brain-dead Obamabot.

The Bush administration, in an orchestrated campaign between Armitage and Cheney’s office, leaked the identity of an active CIA agent (Valerie Wilson) as cheap political payback for what her husband wrote in an NY Times Op-Ed.”

Totally false and you know it.

* On August 29, 2006 Neil A. Lewis of The New York Times reported that Armitage was the “initial and primary source” for columnist Robert Novak’s July 14, 2003 article, which named Valerie Plame as a CIA “operative” and which triggered the CIA leak investigation. [17]
* On August 30, 2006, CNN reported that Armitage had been confirmed “by sources” as leaking Ms. Wilson’s CIA role in a “casual conversation” with Robert Novak. [18] The New York Times, quoting people “familiar with his actions”, reported that Armitage was unaware of Ms. Wilson’s undercover status when he spoke to Novak. [19]

shootfromthehip your hero Fitzpatrich was a coward.

My Leak Case Testimony

by Robert Novak

Posted Jul 11, 2006

For nearly the entire time of his investigation, Fitzgerald knew — independent of me — the identity of the sources I used in my column of July 14, 2003.

A federal investigation was triggered when I reported that former Ambassador Joseph Wilson’s wife, Valerie Plame Wilson, was employed by the CIA and helped initiate his 2002 mission to Niger. That Fitzgerald did not indict any of these sources may indicate his conclusion that none of them violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

Kristol is without question the most arrogant man in Amerika, and he is invariably wrong about everything. After all, e was the mouthpiece for the ideological underpinnings of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq. A thoroughly discredited neo-Con and an unsurpasses prick ….

The Real Royal King says:
April 25, 2010 at 5:55 pm

Kristol is without question the most arrogant man in Amerika,”

No that would be a tie between KO and BHO.

“he is invariably wrong about everything.”

Don’t forget when he picked McCain to win and said health care reform was dead!
Has this ass ever been right about one single thing?

Even today, when he said there will be no “major” civil rights violations in Arizona. I guess minor ones are ok with this douche.

“Totally false and you know it.”

Wrong. Just because there wasn’t enough evidence to indict Cheney or his office doesn’t mean he wasn’t involved. There is plenty of reason to believe he and Karl Rove were in on it.

Though Cheney played down his animosity toward Wilson during FBI interviews, some of the anger came through when Cheney was asked to read aloud comments he scribbled in the margins of Wilson’s op-ed that Cheney had ripped out of the Times.

Cheney acknowledged that his handwritten note included the question, “Did his wife send him on a junket?” He also told the investigators that he “believed it possible that he and Libby discussed the Wilson trip as some kind of a junket or boondoggle.”

Anyone not blind can see that this was payback. And Rove, Cheney and Armitage all conspired to leak to Novak.

Fitzgerald didn’t go far enough, and Armitage was the fall guy.

I AGREE….. KRISTOL IS A GREAT AMERIKKKAN.

“Sparks flew today on Fox News Sunday”

But, still, nobody is going to watch. Because Faux “News” is not a real news outlet. And most people get that. It’s just the brainwashed far right-wing that have trouble getting that…. well, because they are brainwashed. The only people that watch that network are fringe right-wingers… 2 million a night (and that’s the Faux “News” Network – hardly anyone watches Faux “News” Sunday) and that 2 million represents about 1 percent of the U.S Population. LOL… very few people saw or care.

Typical of Faux “News”. They are incapable of hosting a civil debate. People are tired of your antics.

Goldman Sachs is a convenient whipping boy for the President. But this is all just theatrics for the Democrat party base, who enjoys seeing any capitalist get thrashed in public.

In all honesty, the emails and the underwriting in question are small potatoes, and have nothing to do with the reasons for all the bad mortgages and delinquencies and our feeble economy. Moreover, Obama can put every banker at Goldman Sachs in jail, and it won’t create a single job — it will just send underwriting deals overseas where bankers don’t have to deal with this kind of circus. But why worry about jobs and money and real problems when you can you put on a spectacular show trial that will get the far Left applauding and cheering?

By the way, Goldman Sachs has traditionally been very supportive of the Democrats. They are getting what they deserve — not for these paltry emails but for their naivete in putting these anti-business ideologues in power.

Damn Felixw,

You sound like a complete hack.

shootfromthehip – You are a complete liar. As Novak said:For nearly the entire time of his investigation, Fitzgerald knew — independent of me — the identity of the sources I used in my column of July 14, 2003. ”

Fitzgerald knew who it was from the beginning who the leaker was : Armitage..

Your lies are so palpable. You better go back to the Huffington Post where liars like you are embraced by the juvenile brains that exist there.

“Anyone not blind can see that this was payback.”

Fitzgerald didn’t see that it was a payback.

YOU ARE A LIAR!

shootfromthehip admit it. You are a 9/11 truther.

“WASHINGTON (CNN) — Former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage acknowledged Thursday that he was the source who first revealed the identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame to syndicated columnist Robert Novak back in 2003, touching off a federal investigation.

Armitage told the CBS Evening News that he did so inadvertently.

“I feel terrible,” Armitage said. “Every day, I think, I let down the president. I let down the secretary of state. I let down my department, my family, and I also let down Mr. and Mrs. Wilson.”

I never said that Armitage didn’t leak it. It is my contention that Armitage got the information from Rove and Cheney. It was part of a carefully orchestrated plan. Just because Fitzgerald, for whatever reason, did not decide to go after Cheney for his role in the scandal, does not mean his office wasn’t involved.

You’ll remember that Cheney’s right hand man, Scooter Libby, was found guilty for his role in lying to Federal prosecutors regarding the leak.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030600648.html

Innocent parties do not lie. Libby was guilty. Even President Bush knew as much and he refused to pardon Scooter.

For more reading on all involved and the well documented sea of lies surrounding the leak, I suggest you go here:

http://thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal/

I never said that Armitage didn’t leak it. It is my contention that Armitage got the information from Rove and Cheney. It was part of a carefully orchestrated plan. Just because Fitzgerald, for whatever reason, did not decide to go after Cheney for his role in the scandal, does not mean his office wasn’t involved.

You’ll remember that Cheney’s right hand man, Scooter Libby, was found guilty for his role in lying to Federal prosecutors regarding the leak.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/06/AR2007030600648.html

Innocent parties do not lie. Libby was guilty. Even President Bush knew as much and he refused to pardon Scooter.

hootfromthehip – You are a complete liar. As Novak said:For nearly the entire time of his investigation, Fitzgerald knew — independent of me — the identity of the sources I used in my column of July 14, 2003. ”

Fitzgerald knew who it was from the beginning who the leaker was : Armitage..

There was NO REASON TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION WHEN FITZGERALD KNEW WHO COMMITTED THE LEAK

Admit it, you are a 911 Truther.

Yes or No?THE LEAK!

From NYTS:

The prosecution also said Mr. Libby concocted a story that he learned of Ms. Wilson’s identity in a conversation with Tim Russert of NBC News on July 10 or 11 in 2003 to hide the fact that he had already learned about her identity from several fellow administration officials.”

And? The crime he was convicted of was that he said he learned of her identity from Russert , not that he leaked it.

Wow- big crimewave,eh?

You are 911 Truther, right?

It is my contention that Armitage got the information from Rove and Cheney. It was part of a carefully orchestrated plan. Just because Fitzgerald, for whatever reason, did not decide to go after Cheney for his role in the scandal, ….”

Your contention is irrelevant and Fitzpatrick didn’t go after Cheney because of one thing that was missing: EVIDENCE!!.

Get real.

shootfromthehip, you need to give up your Cheney hatred.

Again, you ARE a 911 Truther, right?

Yes, Felix, and those capitalists do squeal like pigs when their underlying motive is on display. :-)

Valkyrie, I know leftists like you think making money should be against the law. But so far, even Obama, Pelosi and Reid haven’t actually outlawed profits. So you may be horrified that Goldman execs planned to make money on their trades, but if that is cause for criminal prosecution, you might as well shut down every business in the country. I repeat: this is a pathetically weak case against Goldman Sachs, given the fact the government has spent 18 months investigating the matter.

Goldman Sachs has not been indicted or charged with any criminal wrongdoing. The SEC brought a civil case against them.

And there won’t be any criminal charges. It’s a shakedown, pure and simple. Can’t wait to see GS’s donations to the Dems next year! =)

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000085

Just for fun, here’s a short excerpt from a Brian Ross report, where Hillary says that she doesn’t do email due to the number of times she’s been investigated and of course, the Sarah Palin emails released in the wake of her ethics investigation have been throughly documented by MSNBC and archived in a searchable database.

@Finch:

If the SEC wins,(or if GS settles…..) will investors be entitled to any portion of the damages?

So, Felix and Finch, the moral of the story is that the securities industry should not be regulated? Is that the tea party position?

AnonymousFinch says:
April 26, 2010 at 12:50 am

Goldman Sachs has not been indicted or charged with any criminal wrongdoing. The SEC brought a civil case against them.

—

Thankfully, since that is a much easier case to make.

. says:
April 25, 2010 at 7:32 pm
Damn Felixw,

You sound like a complete hack.

Um, do your research, he’s right. Dems received more from GS than R’s. And the head of GS has been to the whitehouse to pal around a few times.

valkyrie101 says:
April 25, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Yes, Felix, and those capitalists do squeal like pigs when their underlying motive is on display. :-)

Hey, if you don’t like Capitalism, move to Venezuela. No one said it was perfect, but do you really this Communism and Socialism are better? I’m sure you lefties think it is.

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Wow, Michelle, how quickly I became a communist. And just criticizing capitalists gets me a trip to Venezuela? So your position is that the securities industry should not be regulated, nor be held accountable for fraud?