“Hawaii Governor’s Quest to End Birth Certificate ‘Controversy’ Hits a Dead End”

…DUH ! You’ll never find something that’s buried in a mud hut in KENYA in hawaii !

Well, I think the quest for the oficial certificate prompted by the leftist governor must -ONLY- end if he produces a legitimus document. If noone was asking it and he offered a proof…….it’s matter of honnor to do so!

But….., it’s all forgotten what he said was doing. Very liberal, indeed!

Ha! this is too funny! The birfers will think they won and continue to look like fools. READ ALL ABOUT IT ON WND! LOL!

This controversy only helps Obama, which is why he has done as little as possible to make it go away.

Ed Lascar said:
Well, I think the quest for the oficial certificate prompted by the leftist governor must -ONLY- end if he produces a legitimus document. If noone was asking it and he offered a proof…….it’s matter of honnor to do so!

But….., it’s all forgotten what he said was doing. Very liberal, indeed!

Words sense make don’t when wrong spelled and in right order not.

So, Gov. Abercrombie has just learned that he can’t produce the birth certificate because the law prevents him from doing so without Obama’s consent. Which leads to the conclusion that Obama has declined to consent to the release. We can speculate ’til the cows come home as to why, but I’ve yet to hear a plausible explanation for his refusal.

Putting “controversy” in “quotation marks” is “editorializing”.

He never said he would produce it. He was going to verify it existed by actually looking at it himself.
He has not done so because there isn’t one.
The fact that he, the Governor cannot find a simple record with all the resources at his disposal only adds more credibility to the birthers argument .

Judge Mental said:
So, Gov. Abercrombie has just learned that he can’t produce the birth certificate because the law prevents him from doing so without Obama’s consent. Which leads to the conclusion that Obama has declined to consent to the release. We can speculate ’til the cows come home as to why, but I’ve yet to hear a plausible explanation for his refusal.

Because lunatic birthers make him look good, and embarrass his opponents.

I love that it’s not being produced the way they want it..it soooooo irks the birthers..hee hee.
He’ll produce it when y’all produce the WMD..hahaha

TeaPartyPatriot said:
“Hawaii Governor’s Quest to End Birth Certificate ‘Controversy’ Hits a Dead End”

…DUH ! You’ll never find something that’s buried in a mud hut in KENYA in hawaii !

I like how teabaggers think he was born Kenya they just look like fools on a wild goose chase.

If it is illegal to produce a birth certificate, and Abercrombie complies with that law, that implies there is a birth certificate.

Hence, Abercrombie can only hide behind the law to perpetuate the birther lunacy.

Obama must be having a good laugh at all the rabid ‘patriots’ who keep chasing their tails.

Frankly, I accept that Obama was born in Hawaii, but it DOES bother me that he REFUSED to release the “long form”.

Is it his arrogance? Or is there, in fact, something to HIDE (something he doesn’t want made public about his birth parents)?

I have YET to hear ANY explanation as to WHY he would NOT make his “long form” Birth Certificate PUBLIC.

Which, then, makes me wonder – what ELSE is he willing to hide from the American People?

my dogs gone said:
If it is illegal to produce a birth certificate, and Abercrombie complies with that law, that implies there is a birth certificate. Hence, Abercrombie can only hide behind the law to perpetuate the birther lunacy. Obama must be having a good laugh at all the rabid ‘patriots’ who keep chasing their tails.

Your reasoning is flawed!

Abercrombie is STILL in compliance with that law if there IS NO Birth Certificate to release, isn’t he?

ALL that can be “implied” is that Barack Obama REFUSED to authorize the release of his Birth Certificate.

NO, I take that back… All that can be “implied” is that Obama has not authorized the release – OR it doesn’t exist.

Yoda002 said:
I like how teabaggers think he was born Kenya they just look like fools on a wild goose chase.

First, you moron, it’s NOT the Tea Party people who are fixated on his Birth Certificate, it’s the “Birthers” (completely separate groups).

Seconds, THEY don’t look like fools, Obama (like most Liberals) looks like an arrogant asshole, with NO RESPECT for the Constitution.

hahahaha!!! Birthers; the gifts that just keep on bullshitting!!!!!

Mark Ward said:
First, you moron, it’s NOT the Tea Party people who are fixated on his Birth Certificate, it’s the “Birthers” (completely separate groups).

Seconds, THEY don’t look like fools, Obama (like most Liberals) looks like an arrogant asshole, with NO RESPECT for the Constitution.

Polls show more Tea partiers and Republicans lean towards not thinking the president is a us citizen.

Publius219 I quite understand your own disarray of the english. Sooooo I think you understand what was my point.

I have an excuse for that: I’ve been reading “The Sad History” from Patience Worth!

Ehehehhe..

Yes, the “legions” of Birthers. All 14 of them.

Tommy Christopher said:
Because lunatic birthers make him look good, and embarrass his opponents.

I’ve never given the theory much credence, because if it were true Hillary would be president, but I’ve never understood what’s so crazy about the thought that somebody might have been born outside the United States. Happens every day.

” …Rush Limbaugh might have a kernel of a point about who this helps.”

If Rush Limbaugh has a kernel of a point, it’s at the top of his head. No “birther” is going to believe any sort of document because they’ll make fantastic claims about the paper, the ink, the age, the writing, the typewriting, etc., and besides, it’s pointless. Obama is President, get over it.

The is Obama supporters posting here are truly demonstrating that they’re idiots. The facts are: That Hawaii Department of Health declines to confirm that the Green computerized “Certificate of Live Birth,” first used in 2001, is authentic. Obama’s real birth certificate is a black and white photocopy, but of course to have to have an original Hawaii Birth Record to have such a photocopy. Obama’s maternal grandmother in Kenya initially said that she witnessed his birth in Kenya. The Kenyan Ambassador said that Obama was born in Kenya. An authentic looking Kenyan birth certicate, with official stamp has been shown. “The Standard News,” an African News Agency had a front page headline in 2004 stating, “Kenyan-Born Obama running for US Senate.” Michelle Obama once stated that Kenya is Obama’s home country. Obama also said once, when asked about his place of birth, “Well it’s not like I’m running for President.” The hospical in Kenya sealed Obama’s records during the election campaign. Why should Obama have ANY hospital record in Kenya? Then there is Hawaii Statute 338-17.8 to consider…a Birth Certificate issued to someone not even born in Hawaii!? The the 2 million spent to hide his records? What sane person would spend 2 million to hide a birth record instead of just producing ?

All of the above FACTUAL information about why we should be concerned about Obama not being legally qualified, per the Constitution, to be President, and yet the idiot Obama supporters can only respond with stupid comments? Is that what the Democrat Party is made up of…idiots? No brains and no common sense.

Sorry for the typos…typing to fast and not editing….

Tommy Christopher is just a sycophantic slag; he’s not in any way a real reporter.

Believing whole-heartedly that O was born in HI requires you to believe that known dissemblers (O, Abercrombie, the MSM) are telling the truth. O probably was born there, but he has not proved it. The only way to think that he’s proved it is to believe those who have little or no credibility.

In other words, those like Tommy Christopher are going on faith and not on the facts. They’re True Beliebers.

And, this issue is vitally important for very fundamental reasons having to do with critical thinking and making sure that the media isn’t lying:

http://24ahead.com/why-obama-certificate-issue-vitally-important

So whether you are a birther or not allow me to ask a serious question. What specific federal or state agency actually checks (I mean really actually checks) to verify a person’s eligibility to run for office? Are we truly saying in an age that Photoshop can make anything look like anything that a file on the Internet is sufficient?

Mr. Rodrigues and Mr. DotCom (love you on 30 Rock!)

Believing whole heartedly that Obama was born outside of the US requires you to believe that Mr. Rodriques’ sources are telling the truth, that the birth announcement in Hawaiian papers are either falsified or a decades-long plot, that Hawaii’s Birth Certificate short forms are illegitimate. That one Kenyan newspaper that is unsourced is less biased or better informed than the vast range of US media, including the majority of conservative media? Even if Hawaii didn’t have a privacy law (I like privacy laws, myself) people who truly believe that Obama was born out of the country would discount whatever the fitch Abercrombie produced. Our President has shown the legal documentation a hand and the case is closed. If you disagree with his policies fight him there, but you are unable to delegitimize him.

Barry has NOT shown the legal docs that prove he is a citizen,or even a “naturalized”citizen. In the 60′s,anyone overseas could have went to Hawaii officials and told them they had a child born there and they could have gotten a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. It seems kind of funny to me that this lone wolf governor said there was a LFBC on file,but for some strange reason can’t produce it.

Of course liberals will call myself and others who doubt the birthplace of their “Anointed One”pure unadulterated idiots…. but you can bet your 401k if this was George Bush we were talking about liberals would be doing the same thing…. remember how the lunatics were saying Bush was going to end SS??? Remember how they said Bush wanted our grandparents dead??? Yeh…. THOSE lunatics.

Yargburger is, of course, an idiot.

Personally, I think it’s highly likely that O was born in HI. However – unlike Yargburger and dolts like Tommy Christopher – I know the difference between *belief* (aka faith) and *fact*.

It’s not a *fact* that O was born in HI because it hasn’t yet been proven. It might become a *fact* if proven, but so far it hasn’t been. And, it hasn’t been proven because all the evidence presented so far is full of holes.

For instance, there’s no evidence at all of who could have initiated those newspaper announcements. No one has presented, for instance, a paper trail or even policy manuals showing that those announcements would only indicate a HI birth and could only have been placed by a birth hospital. For all we know, the gparents filed a notice which led to the announcements.

It’s a sure sign you’re dealing with someone who’s intellectually dishonest when they use the “time travel canard”, as “Fact Check” did:

http://24ahead.com/n/9363

And, of course, “Our President” hasn’t shown anything besides an image on a website. The state of HI refuses to indicate whether that image matches what they have on file.

“AntiBirthers” like Yargburger and Tommy Christopher are invariably intellectually dishonest. Don’t fall for their lies.

Abercrombie sure made a complete ass out of himself.

A more important question right now is, what is Obama’s motivation for refusing to release such a benign document that all American’s can produce within seconds? And also, why has the media given him a pass which they would never have accorded anyone else?

OxyCon said:
And also, why has the media given him a pass which they would never have accorded anyone else?

Sadly we know the answer don’t we Tommy Christopher.

Ahhh, the “birthers”. I haven’t heard anything about them since, well, a few days ago when Chris Mathews was talking about them. But, before that, it had been at least a week or two since I heard anything about them. Where was that? Oh yeah, Matthews again. It’s funny, the only time I hear about so-called “birthers” is when some lefty loon brings them up. It’s almost as if these lefties want there to be an actual “birther” movement or something. Anything, to distract from the real issues I suppose.

To hear Matthews, Tommy, Olbermann tell it, you’d think the “birthers” were an actual movement. It’s odd because I live in the most conservative county in one of the most conservative states and I’ve never actually met a “birther”. Keep hope alive, Tommy!

Judge Mental said:
So, Gov. Abercrombie has just learned that he can’t produce the birth certificate because the law prevents him from doing so without Obama’s consent

Oh, darn the luck. He wanted to………….he REALLY wanted to. But shucks, he just can’t.

Tommy Christopher said:
Because lunatic birthers make him look good, and embarrass his opponents.

Nahhh. You suckers are acting like “true believers” in the global warming hoax…………………when it’s too hot it’s because of global warming, and when it’s too cold, it’s because of global warming. When “birthers” ask for the birth certificate it makes Hussein look bad because when the “birthers” ask for the birth certificate it make Hussein look good. Sheesh.

You guys are pitiful.

Davo says:

Nahhh. You suckers are acting like “true believers” in the global warming hoax…………………

Your right, all these countries are speeding billions on going green, by there own research, that has nothing to do with the US! They are all suckers! All the science that backs the warming is paid off, I know because Fox said it!
I don’t understand why Fox doesn’t follow this birther issue, I mean it’s so clear!

I just love these birther-related stories, they lure the best kind of crazy posters to this site.

Davo said:
Oh, darn the luck. He wanted to………….he REALLY wanted to. But shucks, he just can’t.

Nahhh. You suckers are acting like “true believers” in the global warming hoax…………………when it’s too hot it’s because of global warming, and when it’s too cold, it’s because of global warming. When “birthers” ask for the birth certificate it makes Hussein look bad because when the “birthers” ask for the birth certificate it make Hussein look good. Sheesh.

You guys are pitiful.

What’s sad is that the state of scientific education in our country is so poor. Many functioning adults, like yourself, are so ignorant that when someone distilled the complex subject of climate change down to a binary observation like that, you actually believed them. Let me guess, heard that on an AM radio show, maybe Fox News?

You should really read into the actual science, of which there is legion from from multiple lines of inquiry and study. It’s fascinating, and sobering. Don’t keep the dial stuck on stupid.

The issue of Obama’s lawful citizenship and original birth certificate should have been put to rest long before his nomination for president, it just begs the question if other presidential candidates had to produce a wide variety of documents through the years to verify their legal and constitutional qualifications why is it Obama escapes this type of requirement?

The whole controversy could be settled with just producing the document, which leads to the question why hasn’t he? The conclusion that there is something being hidden for a reason is not an unreasonable suspicion considering the seriousness of the issue, if it turns out to be true that Obama is constitutionally unqualified for the office then we have a constitutional crisis on our hands because every appointment he has made or legislation he has signed was unlawful and consequently null and void, not only Obamacare but also the extension of the last 10 years of tax policy, deals with unions government buyouts/bailouts and everything else he’s done.

Talk about a can of worms, this thing needs to be settled once and for all one way or the other so we can move on, who in their right mind wouldn’t want to know the truth?

Mark Ward said:
… it DOES bother me that he REFUSED to release the “long form”.

Is it his arrogance? Or is there, in fact, something to HIDE (something he doesn’t want made public about his birth parents)?

Or BOTH.

Which, then, makes me wonder – what ELSE is he willing to hide from the American People?

Whatever he can get away with.

Tommy Christopher wrote:> The President has nothing left to prove regarding his eligibility for the Presidency, and so will surely decline to provide more than he already has in the way of birth records. This will surely throw gasoline on the Birther fire, but those flames will only serve to burn those who stand too close to the Birthers.

The issue is not about “birthers,” which is a distraction and a smoke screen, as Obama hides behind a fig leaf: The legal right not to show his personal records (even though the enormity of the violation of the Constitution could create irreparable damage to our country, should he not be eligible).

As it stands now, there is no more public evidence that he IS qualified to be president than there is that he IS NOT qualified to be president. Barack Obama has the power to remove this issue to restore the confidence of the American people in him by simply authorizing the release of information. That he has not cleared this up is either a dereliction of his duty as president, or it is another political ploy to gain advantage for elections in 2012.

I would be satisfied if the Democratic Party were to certify his eligibility for the office, under the penalty of perjury and punitive action: to disqualify donors for tax deductibility. That would take it off the table and allow everyone to focus on creating jobs.

My perspective is to ignore the whole issue as a waste of time and energy and concentrate on getting a good opposition candidate nominated to oppose Obama in the 2012 election. Even better yet would be a Supreme Court decision nullifying Obamacare as unconstitutional. Then the country can move on from the sharp left turn into socialism.

Some_Dude said:
What’s sad is that the state of scientific education in our country is so poor. Many functioning adults, like yourself, are so ignorant that when someone distilled the complex subject of climate change down to a binary observation like that, you actually believed them. Let me guess, heard that on an AM radio show, maybe Fox News?

You should really read into the actual science, of which there is legion from from multiple lines of inquiry and study. It’s fascinating, and sobering. Don’t keep the dial stuck on stupid.

See? I told ya’ you “true believer” people are suckers. Just look how easy it was for me to get you to hijack this thread and jump into action to defend the indefensible. Friggin’ clowns.

The mystery may have just been solved : Soetoro

http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/23/hawaii-ground-report-could-hawaiian-governor-neil-abercrombie-not-be-as-incompetent-and-foolish-as-he-appears-but-orchestrating-a-deliberate-birth-certificate-recovery-dead-end-to-cover-his-own-pap/

I think Obama was born in the US. One of the theories is that the real birth certificate has his name as “Barry” and/or the Caucasian box is checked. So the release might be more of an embarrassment..

Some_Dude said:
Many functioning adults, like yourself, are so ignorant that when someone distilled the complex subject of climate change down to a binary observation like that, you actually believed them.

Yeah, like CO2 gives the Earth a fever and taxing it will save us! Can you believe that there are people stupid enough to buy into some foolishness like that?

Pablo said:
Yeah, like CO2 gives the Earth a fever and taxing it will save us! Can you believe that there are people stupid enough to buy into some foolishness like that?

Of course, P. You see them right here also believing Hussein is somehow showing his opponents foolish for asking to see his qualifications. Never try to measure a Liberal with logic………………..there’s no common denominator.

Tommy Christopher said:
Because lunatic birthers make him look good, and embarrass his opponents.

It get’s offset by lunatic hack writers like yourself who make him look bad.
BTW what happens when Palin fades into the sunset to Tommy the one trick pony?

Why is Barry reluctant to reveal this document? Very simple BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST. This guy is a phony, born someplace else, God only knows where, who should not be President and who has the goal of destroying this country. The perfect Manchurian Candidate.

Laker said:
Why is Barry reluctant to reveal this document? Very simple BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST. This guy is a phony, born someplace else, God only knows where, who should not be President and who has the goal of destroying this country. The perfect Manchurian Candidate.

Manchurian Candidate? Seriously?

If that’s true, then it’s they messed up pretty badly. If I wanted to install a puppet leader with the goal of destroying America, I’d try to find a man with about the same complexion as Wonderbread named John Smith and make sure he was born in the heartland of America. If the election of Obama was indeed a conspiracy, they wouldn’t have chosen a half-black leader with a middle name like Hussain.

Just like how if the Iraq War was a conspiracy, then why did the Bush Administration mess up on the biggest part? (planting WMDs)

Barack Obama II was born in Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, as repeatedly attested by his step-grandmother Mama Sarah Onyango Obama, and corroborated by his half-sister and half-brother in Kenya. Speaking to a UN conference on orphans, before she ever left Kenya, Mama Sarah said, “Even the future President of the U.S. passed through my hands.” Members of Kenya’s Parliament, speaking in session, on the record, have referred to Barack Obama II as born in Kenya, as has Kenyan Ambassador to the U.S., H.E. Peter Ogego. The Standard (Nairobi), Modern Ghana, and other African publications routinely refer to “Kenyan-born U.S. President (or Senator) Barack Obama II,” as did U.S. news media until his keynote address to the DNC in Boston on July 27, 2004. That speech made him a contender for a Presidential nomination, and Mr. Obama’s handlers and backers thereafter imposed a “cone of silence” upon the U.S. about Barack Obama II’s Constitutional ineligibility for office.

But even if Barack Obama II had been born in a manger on the steps of the Capitol, as witnessed by all nine Supreme Court Justices and representatives of all major news media, he would still be ineligible to be President. His father was from the British Protectorate of Kenya, and he was a British Protected Subject – which status passed to all of his offspring, according to British law. How could anyone whose British status at birth was governed by British law ever be a natural born citizen of the United States? His father was a Brit, so he’s not legit… as a natural born citizen of the U.S., although he could be a natural born citizen of Kenya.

A natural born citizen is a citizen born in the country of citizen parents, which has been established by:

correspondence among the Framers of the Constitution;

the commonly understood meaning in 1787, codified in Emerich de Vattel’s _The Law of Nations_, the international law text which the Framers used to break away from the “Crown and subjects” mindset of British Common Law, the Magna Carta, and the writings of William Blackstone and John Locke;

settled opinions in at least four Supreme Court cases: The Venus (1814), in which Chief Justice Marshall quoted de Vattel, “The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens,” Shanks v. DuPont (1830), Minor v. Happersett (1874), and Perkins v. Elg (1939);

the definition cited by Rep. John A. Bingham and Sen. Jacob M. Howard, the Framers of Amendment XIV; and

the fact that every duly-elected President born since the ratification of the Constitution in 1787 has been a citizen born in the country of citizen parents (except Chester A. Arthur, who burned his Presidential papers to keep his father’s Canadian citizenship a secret… until 2008, when Atty. Leo Donofrio’s researchers found him out).

_Wong Kim Ark_ quoted verbatim the definition of nbc stated in _Minor v. Happersett_, “At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” No other Supreme Court decision has ever contradicted this definition of natural born citizen.

If Art. ii, § 1, ¶ 5 were not enough to disqualify the fraudulent usurper and Conman-in-Chief, Amendment XIV, § 3 is: “No person shall … hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath … as an officer of the United States … to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

To the best of my knowledge, communist ideology is still considered an enemy of the United States Constitution.

As is violent, Jihadist Is|am.

Nice Obama Supporter and Hawaii election official gently explains why it’s OK that there is no Birth Certificate. Now give me a big hug you silly birther.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/elections-official-hits-tv-to-affirm-no-hawaii-birth/#idc-cover

This guy signed an affidavit that his superiors in Hawaii told him there was no birth certificate.

I’d have to
check with you here. This is not something I usually do! I jetta variant enjoy reading a post
that will make people think. Also, thanks for allowing me to comment!