I blame Bush, God bless him.

Regardless of how things look in the Democracy Index if their current dictator gets blown away then he will be replaced by some Muslim dictators like Iran relegating much of the country back to the 7th century.

I really don’t think these predominantly Muslim countries do well if they aren’t under a dictator. They don’t want democracy and if they had it they wouldn’t know what to do with it. Look at their neighbors rich and poor mostly all dictatorships whether real or a Royal Family that kicks butt.

It’s the same wrong calculation Bush made. He figured the Iraqis would embrace democracy and open up 7-11′s in downtown Baghdad serving camel-burgers. Reality showed they really didn’t give a rats butt about democracy and democracy actually made them feel like a fish out of water longing to be whipped into place like they were under Hussein.

“You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.” – Senator Obama (2002)

Another country about to be ruled by a crazy Imam. This will destroy Egypt’s only source of income, which is tourism.

Moderate said:
Another country about to be ruled by a crazy Imam. This will destroy Egypt’s only source of income, which is tourism.

That’s a lame and sad source of National Income.

WCinWI said:
“You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.” – Senator Obama (2002)

He wasn’t a Senator until after the 2004 election.

Pablo said:
I blame Bush, God bless him.

Bush, most likely, helped Egypt pay for that tank. This photo op would not have been possible without him.

George Sore-ohs said:
. Reality showed they really didn’t give a rats butt about democracy and democracy actually made them feel like a fish out of water longing to be whipped into place like they were under Hussein.

Izzat where the anti-American Left gets its ideas?

Yeah, the Iraqis should have perfected their democracy by now. After all, they’ve had a whole 7 years to do it, and the Muslim terrorists fighting against freedom shouldn’t have been more than some minor inconvenience, right?

George Sore-ohs said:
It’s the same wrong calculation Bush made

Sorry, but the MISCALCULATION that Bush made was his de-Baathification policy that forced the majority of the Iraqi Middle Class and professional class out of power and often out of the country taking their Middle Class wealth with them.

The most stabilizing factor in any country is maintaining a strong and ever-growing Middle Class and the US policies in the region have done all they can to demoralize that Middle Class by using false pretenses to invade countries in order to steal the very wealth that would maintain the Middle Class.

George Sore-ohs said:
democracy actually made them feel like a fish out of water longing to be whipped into place like they were under Hussein.

Maybe that’s the reason why Cheney and Bush embraced TORTURE so much, because the GOP knew that what the Iraqis really responded to was being WHIPPED.

But thanks for admitting that the neocon foreign policies of Bush were dismal and ineffective. Now if only you could admit the same about the neocon economic policies.

Davo said:
Yeah, the Iraqis should have perfected their democracy by now. After all, they’ve had a whole 7 years to do it, and the Muslim terrorists fighting against freedom shouldn’t have been more than some minor inconvenience, right?

Oh so now it’s the Iraqis fault that they don’t have democracy. They DEMOCRATICALLY decided that they’d like to have the American occupiers removed but since America only likes DEMOCRACY when it benefits their foreign policy goals, those occupiers are still there.

Sorry but the most obvious failures of the neocon policy in Iraq (besides supporting Saddam under Reagan in the first place) was their de-Baathification policy. They refused to hire back anyone who had allegiance to the Baath party. What the GOP failed to realize that being a Baathist under Saddam was the equivalent of being a member of the Communist Party under the Soviets. Not just soldiers and politicos were Baathists. So were teachers, engineers, police, and all other Middle Class professionals who kept the country’s infrastructure running. When Paul Bremer dismissed ALL BAATHISTS (against the advice of then Iraq policy operator, Jay Garner’s advice), he pretty much dismissed all Middle Class wealth and all the professionals that help run the schools, the cities, and the security forces for the country.

Since America (and it’s tax payers) was too cheap to even pay for the bare minimum military needs let alone the nation-building requirements of the country, the loss of that Middle Class wealth as well as that quarter of century of expertise that helped run the day-to-day life of Iraqis caused the overall failure of our policies there.

Sorry, but these are cultures that have been strong in the past and have seen two-bit empires like ours come and go. They don’t need us to lecture them on how to maintain a civilization. They’ve been doing it long before the bulk of our continent was even occupied with people and will continue to do so long after every neocon who has tried to destroyed their countries has had their way in trying to destroy ours.

Davo said:
Yeah, the Iraqis should have perfected their democracy by now.

BTW, America hasn’t even PERFECTED it’s democracy yet. It took us almost 200 years to even guarantee and protect the right of every American to vote.

George Sore-ohs said:
Regardless of how things look in the Democracy Index if their current dictator gets blown away then he will be replaced by some Muslim dictators like Iran relegating much of the country back to the 7th century.

Thanks for admitting that DICTATORS are good enough for those in the Middle East especially when those dictators serve the needs of America. Still you don’t even know what the WILL of the majority of people in the Middle East are. You have nations with populations where 50% and more of their people are under 25 years old. Those young people hate IMAMS as much as they hate Western-backed dictators (like the Shah, Saddam, Musharef, Mubarek, and now Karzai). These are kids more attuned with the West and the rest of the world, more affluent, and more educated than their parents. In other words, these are kids that could easily give America and any other youth in the world a run for their money on the OPEN MARKET of ideas and in the “FREE ENTERPRISE” system and this is why you and your neocon masters are so afraid of them.

A Kim Bo said:
BTW, America hasn’t even PERFECTED it’s democracy yet. It took us almost 200 years to even guarantee and protect the right of every American to vote.

That’s my point, Kimmie. Guess you missed the sarcasm in my post. But that’s understandable when you’re confused enough to think left is right, and right is left, and down is up, and……………………well, you remember.

Davo said:
Guess you missed the sarcasm in my post.

And guess you missed the point that DEMOCRACY doesn’t come at the barrel of a gun. But thanks for advocating the removal of American troops from Iraq all the same.

George Sore-ohs said:
It’s the same wrong calculation Bush made. He figured the Iraqis would embrace democracy and open up 7-11’s in downtown Baghdad serving camel-burgers. Reality showed they really didn’t give a rats butt about democracy and democracy actually made them feel like a fish out of water longing to be whipped into place like they were under Hussein.

So who is the new Iraqi dictator?

A Kim Bo said:
Oh so now it’s the Iraqis fault that they don’t have democracy. They DEMOCRATICALLY decided that they’d like to have the American occupiers removed but since America only likes DEMOCRACY when it benefits their foreign policy goals, those occupiers are still there.

Status of Forces agreement, Kimmie? Hell, no! OCCUPATION, FTW! Moron.

skyfet said:
He wasn’t a Senator until after the 2004 election.

Yes he was. Do you know what he did before he went to Washington?

Now, this is reality (tv) at its best. Soon coming to a viral theater near you. Who would’ve thought, a financial meltdown around the world, could equal in substance, a nuclear one? Cheers!

skyfet said:
He wasn’t a Senator until after the 2004 election.

State Senate. Duh. :)

HERE ARE ALL THE DOMESTIC HEADLINES ON MEDIAITE AS OF 12:30 TODAY:

Jon Stewart To O’Reilly: A Heartless Douche Is Not The Same As A Nazi Propagandist

MSNBC Puts An End To “Psycho Talk” Segment On The Ed Show

Nasty Taint? Rachel Maddow Probes Mitt Romney Connection To On-Demand Porn

Michael Steele Tells An Incredulous Rachel Maddow ‘The Culture Wars Are Virtually Over’

Confessions of a Gay Anchorman: Ex-NY News Anchor Rips Former Station And Colleagues

University Cancels Bristol Palin’s Abstinence Speech Amid Protests Over Her ‘Lack Of Expertise’

Rush Limbaugh Is Not Happy That Time Magazine Is Comparing Obama To Reagan

Unscripted: Tracy Morgan Calls Sarah Palin ‘Serious Masturbation Material’

Jerry Springer: “The Liberals Have Won” And “We Are A Liberal Country”

Stephanie Miller: Speaker “Boehner Is A Darker Color Than The President”

Notice any trends?! Revolution is breaking out in parts of the world due to economic woes. Including a disastrous and abusive government in Egypt to whom we give more than two billion per year. We have more than QUADRUPLED our annual federal deficit spending in the last 2 years. We have two undeclared wars approaching nearly a decade of crime against our troops and those in foreign sovereign states alike. We are hopelessly bankrupt but just added a gargantuan new entitlement program. REAL unemployment is probably over 20% when you take out all the book-cooking the Dept. of Labor does to skew the numbers down. Foreclosures are at an all-time high. Real inflation is starting to take off like a rocket. Yet we’re subsidizing the burning of a huge chunk of the world’s food supply in wasteful ethanol programs.

And THESE CR^P HEADLINES aree what is passing for the domestic news?! First, Mediate, you ought to be ASHAMED of yourselves for perpetuating this garbage. As godawful as the selection of news is within the media, your take on it is more selection than reflection of what is out there. It is sick. We have real issues and you are fanning the flames of the worst sort of distractions from the important.

I encourage all readers to seriously consider what is truly important. And in so doing, I encourage all readers to seriously consider whether it makes any sense to support this site with further traffic.

Please think about it.

Kim Barker said:
Oh so now it’s the Iraqis fault that they don’t have democracy. They DEMOCRATICALLY decided that they’d like to have the American occupiers removed but since America only likes DEMOCRACY when it benefits their foreign policy goals, those occupiers are still there. Sorry but the most obvious failures of the neocon policy in Iraq (besides supporting Saddam under Reagan in the first place) was their de-Baathification policy. They refused to hire back anyone who had allegiance to the Baath party. What the GOP failed to realize that being a Baathist under Saddam was the equivalent of being a member of the Communist Party under the Soviets. Not just soldiers and politicos were Baathists. So were teachers, engineers, police, and all other Middle Class professionals who kept the country’s infrastructure running. When Paul Bremer dismissed ALL BAATHISTS (against the advice of then Iraq policy operator, Jay Garner’s advice), he pretty much dismissed all Middle Class wealth and all the professionals that help run the schools, the cities, and the security forces for the country. Since America (and it’s tax payers) was too cheap to even pay for the bare minimum military needs let alone the nation-building requirements of the country, the loss of that Middle Class wealth as well as that quarter of century of expertise that helped run the day-to-day life of Iraqis caused the overall failure of our policies there. Sorry, but these are cultures that have been strong in the past and have seen two-bit empires like ours come and go. They don’t need us to lecture them on how to maintain a civilization. They’ve been doing it long before the bulk of our continent was even occupied with people and will continue to do so long after every neocon who has tried to destroyed their countries has had their way in trying to destroy ours.

Hindsight is always 20/20, isn’t it?

Yep just like the book “The Shape of Things To Come” said after Tienanmen Square, the “cat was out of the bag”. There is little defense against a viral media fueled protest.

John Milton Wesley

Dsiscokid said:
They DEMOCRATICALLY decided that they’d like to have the American occupiers removed but since America only likes DEMOCRACY when it benefits their foreign policy goals, those occupiers are still there.

Democracy, in its purest form, is “mob rule”. If 51% of voters voted to kill the other 49%, who’s to say they are wrong? Thoughts?

Foreign policy is always a tricky situation. Whomever is an “ally” today could become an “enemy” in a few years, particularly in the Middle East.

skyfet said:
He wasn’t a Senator until after the 2004 election.

He was a Senator in the Illinois Senate in 2002, wasn’t he?

Gen. 16:11-12 (Here is something to consider)

And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.

And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

The son of an Egyptian handmaiden, a decendant of Abraham, and the father of the Arabs and their decendants…….