A Little Less Conversation .

The Nazi card credit is maxed out…….kinda like the racist card.

i wonder if newt realizes that many of the buildings at Auschwitz that were used to burn and gas the jews were torn down and used to build housing in the area just outside the Camp. and yes, can all politicians of every party please stop using nazi terminology. no one alive is hitler, goebbels, pol pot, etc. it’s just so lazy and dumb to keep using those words and comparing them to politicians who are alive now and yet people still get on tv. amazing.

btw, the has-yet-to-be-built mosque/community center isn’t AT ground zero, it’s 2 blocks away and you can’t see ground zero from the front door of the building because of all the tall buildings in-between the building and ground zero.

I think the comparison is pretty damn accurate.

Newt is somewhat of an amateur in bringing up things from the past. Many of our left wing posters go clear back to the Crusades and beyond when stating their arguments.

Chris Jones said:
I think the comparison is pretty damn accurate.

What is a “Nazi Sign”? I’ve seen some at Tea Parties. Is that what we’re talking about?

And, Chris, why would you want to compare the exercise of our First Amendment rights to Nazism. Frankly, I think both you and Newt are obscene in this regard.

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I am sure teabaggers appreciated the comparison made by Newt.

Apparently Newt, in his haste to pretend to care about anything except Newt, forgets the Constitution which would allow a “Nazi sign” next to the Holocaust Museum and a Japanese Center at Pearl Harbor. The mosque is distasteful and undoubtedly a provocation, but it is Constitutionally protected and within the law.

American Nazis have been active in the US for decades. They have parades with permits and openly advertise meetings. I have a lot of reasons to hate the Nazis (like a large part of my family disappearing into the camps) but defend their right to free speech and free expression.

If we take Newt’s false logic to its inevitable conclusion, then Arab descended cab drivers must stay out of Lower Manhattan lest they drive past the embarrassing still a hole in the ground nine years later that is Ground Zero and defile it with their passing presence. And no Moslem employees for any Wall Street firm just in case they answer the call to prayer daily. Also, no more Middle Eastern restaurants.

The denial of a perfectly lawful and Constitutionally protected House of Worship because of irrational mass hate is always the opening act on the eventual exclusion of an entire people. Newt and company are spreading a foaming mass hate of all things Moslem for political ends.

For the record, I am a US born Jew who has zero love for radical Islam and even less for the Arabs that want my people all dead just for existing, and I believe the mosque must be allowed. Or, to use a phrase Newt has used more than once, “What would Jesus do?”

“I think the comparison is pretty damn accurate.”

The comparison is moronic and pointless. It is used solely to inflame.

but Newt Gingrich may win the award for most offensive analogy.

While I am not a huge Newt fan, I don’t believe his statement is offensive at all.

I believe he was saying that both the mosque and a Nazi sign are offensive…period!

Royal King’s statement is offensive and Stupid!
Bootleg hasn’t commented, but I would guess his would be offensive and Stupid!

Newt…he was right on this one!

During the Bush years, a few liberals compared Bush to Hitler and the right-wing went biserk with how evil and terrible that was…etc…

Now we can’t go 3 days without some right-winger crying about how Obama and his admin are like the Nazi’s

It would be funny if not so pathetic

King,

Not only have teabaggers used Nazi signage on regularity at their protests, they have also used plenty of “Obama is a Muslim” signage as well. Not surprisingly, those signs were expression of their hatred for people that aren’t like them.

What is a “Nazi Sign”? I’ve seen some at Tea Parties. Is that what we’re talking about?

yes, i’ve seen them before also, I wonder where……. What a tool.

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=612
http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20090816

“I believe he was saying that both the mosque and a Nazi sign are offensive…period!”

Go back and read his quote closely. “…don’t have the right….” and “We would never accept…” are not making the point of something being offensive. Newt is making a case for denial based on us not liking them or worse, the case for denying them because of their religion.

“During the Bush years, a few liberals compared Bush to Hitler and the right-wing went biserk with how evil and terrible that was…etc…

Now we can’t go 3 days without some right-winger crying about how Obama and his admin are like the Nazi’s

It would be funny if not so pathetic”

Spot on, DrFunke. The exact same people that decried attacking a president in war time now defend that same action. The same people that decried Bush as Hitler signs, now defend Obama as Hitler signs. To be fair, Democrats are no better. In fact, I would say the one thing that Democrats and Republicans are most bipartisan about is being lying, self serving hypocrites.

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(Note to Mediaite – we seriously need editing ability here.)

I don’t like him (Gingrich), never did. His marital woes are disgusting.

BUT I AGREE WITH HIM ON THIS ONE.

Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers said:
King,

Not only have teabaggers used Nazi signage on regularity at their protests, they have also used plenty of “Obama is a Muslim” signage as well. Not surprisingly, those signs were expression of their hatred for people that aren’t like them.

The Professional Left brought the signs to the TP rallies. Hatred for people NOT like them, by the TP? As a Caucasian Independent, I can honestly say that there’s no one on Earth, I detest more than White Liberals, though I’m not a TP member. LOL.

KEEVA, I COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF. NICE TO READ AN INTELLIGENT COMMENT FOR A CHANGE.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO AD “IN MY HUMBLE OPINION” , IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT RAISING MONEY, RARELY ABOUT THE REAL ISSUE.

It is time to impeach Obama now that his transparency of muslim interests are coming out in the open. This Congress can go as well, they have set a new standard for sandbagging, drawing a tax payer check and doing nothing to benefit America.

“I detest more than White Liberals”

Yeah, but since you can’t distinguish them easily from yourselves in a crowd, it is easier for you to target your hatred at those not like you……….and you do.

I might be more accepting of these lectures of tolerance if they did not come from those who express their own intolerance and hatred for people and institutions they disagree with routinely.

Denying the center to be built at that lone location is not a denial of religious freedom. Religious groups get denied permits to build all across the country. The leader of this center has a mosque mere blocks from this location, and when they were granted land less than a mile away they refused the offer without so much as a discussion. This from a group touting community outreach. If they were truly interested in making inroads with the community they would be aware of the sensibilities of the residents.

The photo essay was a bit confusing: why would a collection of businesses be deemed as offensive, or on equal footing as a Muslim center? Business conducting capitalism is a good thing.

And as for Mike Barnicle — well, who knows what he was driving at? “. . . he is just putting gasoline on fires that don’t even exist.” I’m sure that makes sense on a very deep level.

Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers said:
“I detest more than White Liberals”

Yeah, but since you can’t distinguish them easily from yourselves in a crowd, it is easier for you to target your hatred at those not like you……….and you do.

Gotta love that race card. LOL.

“If they did not come from those who express their own intolerance and hatred for people and institutions they disagree with routinely.”

Martin, sorry for my intolerance for your favorite institutions of intolerance. Go cry you a river!

That’s a good analogy actually. Not every nazi wants to exterminate Jews. Some just want to be racists in the privacy of their own homes.

There are other groups known to be anti-semitic. But it would be politically incorrect for me to mention who they are.

Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers said:
“If they did not come from those who express their own intolerance and hatred for people and institutions they disagree with routinely.” Martin, sorry for my intolerance for your favorite institutions of intolerance. Go cry you a river!

I’m not crying over your intolerance, I’m letting that dictate my dismissal of your lecturing tone.

Gotta love that race card.

No, you guys are pretty good at spotting Muslims in a crowd, regardless if they meet your usual stereotypes.

The comparison is very accurate. I am glad it was made.
Be honest!!!

This is not a question of prohibiting Muslims from worshiping freely. But it is a matter of exercising judgment and discretion. McDonald’s has a right to sell burgers, for example, but shouldn’t set up shop at ground zero in Hiroshima. You don’t hold the German polka competition at Normandy Beach — but that doesn’t mean people don’t have the right to dance the polka. Etc. etc. For the Far Left not to get this might seem amazing — except that they often don’t comprehend pretty basic things having to do with decorum and good judgment. But voters do understand this, and will make that clear in a few weeks time.

Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers said:
Gotta love that race card.

No, you guys are pretty good at spotting Muslims in a crowd, regardless if they meet your usual stereotypes.

You sound a bit racist. Muslims come in all races. LOL.

felixw said:
McDonald’s has a right to sell burgers, for example, but shouldn’t set up shop at ground zero in Hiroshima.

Exactly. It is insensitive to the victims of the Hamburglar.

In a magnanimous gesture of sensitivity, Imam Rauf has offered to cut the ribbon at the opening of Greg Gutfeld’s gay bar.

Folks, deny this facts.

Muslims were on the side of the Nazis in WWII.

Muslims flew the planes into the WTC.

Muslims bomed the USS Cole.

Muslims bomed the Marines in Lebanon.

If you are fooled into believing that there are “moderate” Muslims, YOU are a fool.

these facts. Just for the grammar police.

gordonbloyershow said:
Muslims bomed the USS Cole.

Muslims bomed the Marines in Lebanon.

Once is a typo, twice you’re an idiot.

The Real Royal King said:
And, Chris, why would you want to compare the exercise of our First Amendment rights to Nazism.

Nazism is just one of the ways one can express their First Amendment rights. Do you live under a rock?

Greg is reaching out. He’s told the Imam the first drink is on the house.

gee newt, maybe we should just keep churches away from elementary boy schools also because the ‘radical’ priests molested young boys because those sick fucks obviously represent all christians…
give up the nazi references newt, they are getting old ann frankley i am tired of them

Once is a typo, twice you’re an idiot.

Only thing surprising about his double typo is he didn’t spell it “boned”.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
give up the nazi references newt, they are getting old ann frankley

i see what you did there

“Now we can’t go 3 days without some right-winger crying about how Obama and his admin are like the Nazi’s”

You’re correct. The Obama regime is not composed of nazis. It is run by communists.

Pablo said:
Nazism is just one of the ways one can express their First Amendment rights. Do you live under a rock?

Well if they are packin’ lead we know who to blame.

Seems odd talking about Newt for president, given the revelations of his ex-wife from a week or so ago. Newt is the captain of the Generals.

Has anyone noticed how quickly these bleeding heart liberals, are throwing out the [freedom of religion] card, in the mosque controversy? How many liberals willingly place their lives on the line, to protect our freedoms, including religious freedoms? The very people whom liberals are playing the freedom of religion against, are the very people whom have, or would be the first, to place their lives on the line, to protect and defend this country. Cowardly liberals get to enjoy all our freedoms, yet, they’d haul ass to Canada, before they’d protect and defend the US. The mosque controversy has nothing to do with freedom of religion. The mosque controversy has everything to do with showing respect and sensitivity, to those whom lost their lives on 9-11. Listening to cowardly liberals play the freedom of religion card, or any [freedom] card, is laughable. Liberals are idiots.

newzmaker said:
The mosque controversy has everything to do with showing respect and sensitivity, to those whom lost their lives on 9-11.

I think the best way to show respect to the fallen would be not to let the terrorists chip away at our sacred freedoms using our own fear, hate or “sensitivities”.

The mosque would be a giant middle finger to Al-Qaeda. They tried to start a religious war and got a mosque instead.

No mosque = terrorists slowly winning.

newzmaker said:
Has anyone noticed how quickly these bleeding heart liberals, are throwing out the [freedom of religion] card, in the mosque controversy? How many liberals willingly place their lives on the line, to protect our freedoms, including religious freedoms? The very people whom liberals are playing the freedom of religion against, are the very people whom have, or would be the first, to place their lives on the line, to protect and defend this country. Cowardly liberals get to enjoy all our freedoms, yet, they’d haul ass to Canada, before they’d protect and defend the US. The mosque controversy has nothing to do with freedom of religion. The mosque controversy has everything to do with showing respect and sensitivity, to those whom lost their lives on 9-11. Listening to cowardly liberals play the freedom of religion card, or any [freedom] card, is laughable. Liberals are idiots.

What is it that the soldiers abroad are fighting for? Freedom, and our way of life in that regard. And that is much more than a “card”. If the least popular religion is denied freedom, then everybody knows it is only a matter of time until the next in line falls too. And of course, having only a single religion in the end is the result. Exactly what the Islamic fundamentalists want, too. We betray our soldiers by not insuring the freedoms they fight for.

Azarkhan says:
“Now we can’t go 3 days without some right-winger crying about how Obama and his admin are like the Nazi’s”
You’re correct. The Obama regime is not composed of nazis. It is run by communists.

Ah, thats one of my favorite bedtime stories. That Obama is both a Communist and a Nazi and so is his gov. Granted Az, thats not what your saying, but it does seem that the great Obama Muslim Communist Nazi Takeover is alive and well among others of your conservative friends. And obviously this Mosque is one of many “proofs” that this is so. Absurd.

And Newzmaker you don’t know any soldiers that went to Iraq and Afghanistan that disagree with conservatives? That served in Vietnam or the Gulf War and would be classified as liberals?

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
I think the best way to show respect to the fallen would be not to let the terrorists chip away at our sacred freedoms using our own fear, hate or “sensitivities”.

The mosque would be a giant middle finger to Al-Qaeda. They tried to start a religious war and got a mosque instead.

No mosque = terrorists slowly winning.

Depends on the motivation behind the building of this particular mosque.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
The mosque would be a giant middle finger to Al-Qaeda.

Go back to correcting typos, BFD. Foreign policy is not your strong suit.

@felixw, “This is not a question of prohibiting Muslims from worshiping freely. But it is a matter of exercising judgment and discretion.

You have a good point. I wonder if BO would defend any southern state’s right to place a confederate flag in the middle of Freedom Plaza, not to defend slavery, but just to honor the soldiers who fought in the Civil War?

BO and his cronies are oh so worried about the religious freedom of Muslims, but not one word of criticism about how Islam deprives women and gays of their “freedoms”. These hypocrites don’t even care that they are defending a religion that stands for what they have been condemning on a daily basis for decades.

Sometimes I think that most of those on the left are willing to support anything the right condemns even if they have to go against their own agenda.

Socrates69 said:
Azarkhan says:
“Now we can’t go 3 days without some right-winger crying about how Obama and his admin are like the Nazi’s”
You’re correct. The Obama regime is not composed of nazis. It is run by communists.

Ah, thats one of my favorite bedtime stories. That Obama is both a Communist and a Nazi and so is his gov. Granted Az, thats not what your saying, but it does seem that the great Obama Muslim Communist Nazi Takeover is alive and well among others of your conservative friends. And obviously this Mosque is one of many “proofs” that this is so. Absurd.

And Newzmaker you don’t know any soldiers that went to Iraq and Afghanistan that disagree with conservatives? That served in Vietnam or the Gulf War and would be classified as liberals?

Most liberals join the military to receive a college education, not to fight wars.

newzmaker said:
Most liberals join the military to receive a college education, not to fight wars.

That sounds reasonable. But their is a core of those who join for other reasons.

valkyrie101 said:
That sounds reasonable. But their is a core of those who join for other reasons.

But liberals never join to fight for our freedoms. They’re cowards.

libra blue said:
BO and his cronies are oh so worried about the religious freedom of Muslims, but not one word of criticism about how Islam deprives women and gays of their “freedoms”. These hypocrites don’t even care that they are defending a religion that stands for what they have been condemning on a daily basis for decades.

Culture itself is immature in many parts of the world. Gradually it catches up. Thus 12 or 13 year old brides in parts of the US were a dime a dozen in the 1920s, but less so now. And the liberal and most moderate islamics, do not condone bad treatment of woman or gays. Of course the Bible is full of references that we do not follow because they condone bad treatment of woman.

newzmaker said:
But liberals never join to fight for our freedoms. They’re cowards.

Yes, I think you are right, those on the right are much more prone to fight. We liberals like to be leaders, like Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln.

valkyrie101 said:
Yes, I think you are right, those on the right are much more prone to fight. We liberals like to be leaders, like Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln.

Defending is not fighting; defending is survival. Understand the difference.

libra blue said:
You have a good point. I wonder if BO would defend any southern state’s right to place a confederate flag in the middle of Freedom Plaza, not to defend slavery, but just to honor the soldiers who fought in the Civil War? Sometimes I think that most of those on the left are willing to support anything the right condemns even if they have to go against their own agenda.

That is possibly the most valid example, because anyone being honest will see the comparison.

LemmingsRus,

A video courtesy of Knoxsville News of people just like you:

National Socialist Movement rallies downtown

MartiniShark said:
That is possibly the most valid example, because anyone being honest will see the comparison.

Except Freedom Plaza isn’t privately owned property.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
I think the best way to show respect to the fallen would be not to let the terrorists chip away at our sacred freedoms using our own fear, hate or “sensitivities”. The mosque would be a giant middle finger to Al-Qaeda. They tried to start a religious war and got a mosque instead. No mosque = terrorists slowly winning.

This is not about fear ot hate of Muslims, it is about decency. And “sensitivities” is the term the leaders of the Muslim center used with Greg Gutfeld as a reason not to engage in a dialogue with Greg. They said his lack of respect for their sensitivities was not a sign of outreach. Their disrespect for American sensitivities is somehow a non-issue.

people who whine about liberals being cowards are assholes

MartiniShark said:
This is not about fear ot hate of Muslims

errr…do you even read the comments on these boards? In a perfect world it is about “decency”, in reality it is about exactly the sentiments that are spewed on this blog. If it was really just about ground zero why does every thread have countless posts on what terrible things Muslims do in OTHER COUNTRIES and throughout history.? How is that relevant to how we should treat our citizens here?

You really should read this blog occasionally, you might learn something about the mindset you are on the side of.
Gordo, for example.

ganymede says:
August 16, 2010 at 3:39 pm ganymede(Quote)
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I’m convinced that rightwingers are hysterics on a level that the Libs could never equal. For the past few days we’ve had all this nonsense about how awful and insensitive Bloomberg, Obama are as well as the millions of people who’ve taken the trouble to educate themselves about what’s going on in the real world. Newt who supposedly has a big brain is totally lacking in common sense and decency. The Mosque which is really a community center like your local Y, will be built and Obama and especially Bloomberg will be praised for taking such a principled stand. Even many family members of 9/11 victims are supporting the Mosque because they understand that this is the best refutation of the Islamic terrorists. When oh when are you reactionary people going to grow up and join the rest of us hateful, anti-American ‘liberals’ in trying to built up this country as the number one showplace of true democracy. You’ve been wrong about so may things and didn’t say a peep about the 8 morally corrupt and wasted Bush years.

Whether it is sensitivities or sensibilities, it is a cowardly excuse to punish an entire religion for the actions of a few.

The Terrorist group Hamas has come out and said they back Obama and the Ground Zero mosque

Latin2,
go back to sleep.

From my conservative prospective, if they follow all the ordinances, laws, what’s to keep them from building it there? Lack of sensitivity and stupidity are protected by the Constitution.

valkyrie101 said:
Yes, I think you are right, those on the right are much more prone to fight. We liberals like to be leaders, like Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln.

uh…they would be considered Conservatives, and Liberals would’ve called them religious right wingers.

No Newt- It’s more like a Progressive standing next to the American flag!

Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers said:
Latin2,
go back to sleep.

You mean like your brain is a sleep 24/7. <Hamas has come out in support of Obama and the Ground Zero mosque…thus showing that Liberals are on the WRONG SIDE AGAIN.

“We liberals like to be leaders, like Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln.” Valkyrie

Tsk, tsk, you really shouldn’t put on airs like that. Besides, those three gentlemen would have the utmost disdain for today’s arrogant leftist, since humility comprised a large part of each one’s character.

Of course they came out in support. They want to stir up anti-Islamic sentiment and see the U.S. suppress religious freedoms.

<Wait, almost everyday Liberals say that people on the right are Nazis and the Liberal media yawns…now Steve is saying that it is wrong…when this time it is used by someone on the right, who btw is right?

Fox News: We proudly pander to Teabaggers said:
Of course they came out in support. They want to stir up anti-Islamic sentiment and see the U.S. suppress religious freedoms.

Prove it

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
errr…do you even read the comments on these boards? In a perfect world it is about “decency”, in reality it is about exactly the sentiments that are spewed on this blog. If it was really just about ground zero why does every thread have countless posts on what terrible things Muslims do in OTHER COUNTRIES and throughout history.? How is that relevant to how we should treat our citizens here? You really should read this blog occasionally, you might learn something about the mindset you are on the side of.Gordo, for example.

My apologies for not reading every single post on this site, and for not incorporating every single comment into my comments. However when you brought up fear and hate in this thread I responded to it.
As for you describing a solitary mindset, that sounds rather prejudicial. It would be like me linking you to all the leftist extremeists I’ve read comments from, but I don’t do that. I respond individually, and don’t lump opinions.

@valkyrie101, “Of course the Bible is full of references that we do not follow because they condone bad treatment of woman.”

I don’t belong to any religion, but most of the violent extreme practices in the Bible were abandoned over a hundred years ago. So-called mainstream Muslims still practice honor killings, stoning women, the murder of gays, and the condemnation of all other religions even in the 21st century. That is the BIG difference.

“And the liberal and most moderate islamics, do not condone bad treatment of woman or gays.”

I don’t hear them demonstrating against or condeming those Muslims that do either.

The other day I wrote “WHY ARE LIBERALS AND THE LIBERAL MSM TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS?” and now Hamas has come out and agreed with the Left…PROVING ME RIGHT and Mediaite writers and Liberals WRONG

Latin2 said:
The other day I wrote “WHY ARE LIBERALS AND THE LIBERAL MSM TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS?” and now Hamas has come out and agreed with the Left…PROVING ME RIGHT and Mediaite writers and Liberals WRONG

Actually, it is the right that agrees with the Islamic terrorists, because both of you want to eliminate freedom.

ganymede said:
ganymede says:August 16, 2010 at 3:39 pm ganymede(Quote)0 0I’m convinced that rightwingers are hysterics on a level that the Libs could never equal. For the past few days we’ve had all this nonsense about how awful and insensitive Bloomberg, Obama are as well as the millions of people who’ve taken the trouble to educate themselves about what’s going on in the real world. Newt who supposedly has a big brain is totally lacking in common sense and decency. The Mosque which is really a community center like your local Y, will be built and Obama and especially Bloomberg will be praised for taking such a principled stand. .

This reveals a rather notable disconnect going on with the supporters of this center: If it is not a Mosque, and just an innocuous community center, then how can there be charges of denial to religious freedoms?

Steve, where was your outrage when Liberals were calling people on the Right Nazis? How selective of you and Mediaite…but I see Mediaite is running to Obama’s defense…but you are aware that Hamas is now backing the Ground Zero Mosque and Obama…so better write up something to defend Obama again.

libra blue said:
@valkyrie101, “Of course the Bible is full of references that we do not follow because they condone bad treatment of woman.” I don’t belong to any religion, but most of the violent extreme practices in the Bible were abandoned over a hundred years ago. So-called mainstream Muslims still practice honor killings, stoning women, the murder of gays, and the condemnation of all other religions even in the 21st century. That is the BIG difference. “And the liberal and most moderate islamics, do not condone bad treatment of woman or gays.” I don’t hear them demonstrating against or condeming those Muslims that do either.

Some Islamics are behind the times, but many are not. Some Islamics are exactly where we Christians were in 1860, just 150 years ago. They will gradually emerge into civility, like we Christians did. Here is a quote from Jefferson: “Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.” -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

I miss the good old days when fat old guys like this died of heart attacks in their 50′s. Modern medicine can take a hike as far as I’m concerned.

Latin2 said:
Steve, where was your outrage when Liberals were calling people on the Right Nazis? How selective of you and Mediaite…but I see Mediaite is running to Obama’s defense…but you are aware that Hamas is now backing the Ground Zero Mosque and Obama…so better write up something to defend Obama again.

This is an old argument. A hand full of left wing “wingnuts” used that term against Bush, but no way that represented a mainstream view. On the other hand, Beck and Limbaugh, the two leading right wing commentators, have used the term Nazi literally hundreds of times to describe Obama and his administration, in less than two years.

valkyrie101 said:
Actually, it is the right that agrees with the Islamic terrorists, because both of you want to eliminate freedom.

Where did the Right and Conservative Democrats want to eliminate freedom? We never said they can’t practice their religion. We are asking for the mosque builders to be sensitive to the feelings of the people who lost family members on 9/11…just because you Liberals don’t respect the feelings of many of the families who lost loved ones and side with Hamas against the families of the 9/11 victims, and we don’t. We are asking the mosque builders to not be intolerant to those families…something the left seems to not care about. The Left would rather side with Hamas over the 9/11 families.

Azarkhan said:
“We liberals like to be leaders, like Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln.” Valkyrie Tsk, tsk, you really shouldn’t put on airs like that. Besides, those three gentlemen would have the utmost disdain for today’s arrogant leftist, since humility comprised a large part of each one’s character.

They were all flaming liberals. Besides being a revolutionary, Washington created the First Bank, a bank owned by the Federal government (i.e. socialism), Jefferson was a product of secular enlightenment thinkers, and Lincoln was so liberal the south suceeded from the Union.

Latin2 said:
Where did the Right and Conservative Democrats want to eliminate freedom? We never said they can’t practice their religion. We are asking for the mosque builders to be sensitive to the feelings of the people who lost family members on 9/11…just because you Liberals don’t respect the feelings of many of the families who lost loved ones and side with Hamas against the families of the 9/11 victims, and we don’t. We are asking the mosque builders to not be intolerant to those families…something the left seems to not care about. The Left would rather side with Hamas over the 9/11 families.

Are you kidding? It seems like every day a different part of the Constitution is targeted by the right for repeal. Religious freedom? Forget it.

The SANE people have asked for tolerance from the mosque builders to respect the wishes of many of the 9/11 family members and not build their mosque/community center in that spot out. The mosque builders have said that the new mosque/community center is to build ‘understanding’ but has had the opposite effect….NOW if they wanted to build ‘understanding’ as they claim they should’ve taken the 9/11 families feelings and said they wouldn’t and move it. INSTEAD they have defied the families and CLOSE TO SEVENTY PERCENT OF THE THINKING PEOPLE OF AMERICA WHO AGREE WITH THE SANE PEOPLE…and said SCREW YOU. So where is the “understanding” that the mosque builders were talking about??? Once again proving that the Liberals and the Liberal MSM (INCLUDING MEDIAITE) are on the wrong side again…they are on the same side as HAMAS.

valkyrie101 said:
They were all flaming liberals. Besides being a revolutionary, Washington created the First Bank, a bank owned by the Federal government (i.e. socialism), Jefferson was a product of secular enlightenment thinkers, and Lincoln was so liberal the south suceeded from the Union.

Actully they were Conservatives because the English were OVERTAXING THEM with representation…you know like what the Left is doing today…sound familiar. Lincoln was a REPUBLICAN.

Sen Harry Reid, another white racist:

“The First Amendment protects freedom of religion,” spokesman Jim Manley said in a statement. “Sen. Reid respects that but thinks that the mosque should be built some place else.”

PS: This puts him right in line with Sharron Angle.
PSS: Now the damn will break-Democrats will be lining up to oppose the mosque.

Actually they were Conservatives because the English were OVERTAXING THEM with WITHOUT representation…you know like what the Left is doing today…sound familiar. Lincoln was a REPUBLICAN. The Democrats and Progressives used the KKK as part of the branch to control the black population.

“They were all flaming liberals” Valkyrie

Child, please. I would believe they were flaming queens before I would believe they were flaming liberals.

Latin2 said:
uh…they would be considered Conservatives, and Liberals would’ve called them religious right wingers.

Sure, Lincoln was a conservative. He fancied preserving the status quo. LOL. Jefferson was a revolutionary, who fought the status quo in favor of something completely new. And you call that conservative? The conservatives were known as loyalists and they fought on the side of the British. And Washington, another revolutionary, as I mentioned in another post, created the “First Bank”. That would be government owned bank, or, “socialism”. None of them were conservatives by any stretch of the imagination. And though they all believed in God, none of them were Bible thumpers. As for his part, Jefferson was a primary architect of our secular form of government.

Azarkhan said:
“They were all flaming liberals” Valkyrie Child, please. I would believe they were flaming queens before I would believe they were flaming liberals.

From the standpoint of the British, who were in power, Washington, Jefferson and the lot were certainly perceived as flaming liberal. What is a liberal except an advocate for change?

valkyrie101 said:
Sure, Lincoln was a conservative. He fancied preserving the status quo. LOL. Jefferson was a revolutionary, who fought the status quo in favor of something completely new. And you call that conservative? The conservatives were known as loyalists and they fought on the side of the British. And Washington, another revolutionary, as I mentioned in another post, created the “First Bank”. That would be government owned bank, or, “socialism”. None of them were conservatives by any stretch of the imagination. And though they all believed in God, none of them were Bible thumpers. As for his part, Jefferson was a primary architect of our secular form of government.

Actually they were VERY religious…and Liberals today would’ve called them religious nuts…NOW WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE GROUND ZERO MOSQUE?

The truth of the matter is if the leaders of the Muslim Center declared they would move as a show of deference to the families of the attacks they would have a signifanct amount of positive PR and take real strides towards that community outreach they have espoused. They could come out looking better and diffuse a controversy.

Uh Oh…..infighting on the left:

Senator Robert Menendez, Head of Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, Warns Opponents of Ground Zero Victory Mosque Will Pay Political Price
(Opponents Such as Democratic Majority Leader Hapless Harry Reid)

(h/t aceofspades)

@valkyrie101, “Some Islamics are behind the times, but many are not. Some Islamics are exactly where we Christians were in 1860, just 150 years ago.”

It is frightening to think that these violent and intolerant Muslims are 150 years behind civilization. 150 years ago we didn’t have the advances in communication that we have now. Muslims are the ones choosing to keep themselves back. Since the so-called moderate Muslims and the PC left are unwilling to condemn them, they will continue to live in the dark ages and innocent people will continue to suffer.

I am not a fan of the Christian religion, but it seems to me that they have progressed a lot since 1782, but Islam has not, for instance they are still hiding their women behind those ridiculous burqas so that they can continue to control them even in those idiotic Arab countries that the US has “befriended”.

Harry Reid reporting has come out AGAINST the builders building the mosque/community center…NOW is Harry Reid a right winger…and is Harry Reid against their “rights”?

WELLLLLL Liberals and Liberal Media….please explain

Latin2 said:
Actually they were VERY religious…and Liberals today would’ve called them religious nuts…NOW WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE GROUND ZERO MOSQUE?

My goodness, you really believe that liberals are not religious? Some are, some are not. Washington was a deist, and a Mason, Jefferson was also a deist. Certainly not “Christian” in the same way you might define that today. More than religion, Jefferson was keen on rational thought. He even made his own Bible in which he elimated all verses, such as the miracles of Jesus, which were impossible.

libra blue said:
@valkyrie101, “Some Islamics are behind the times, but many are not. Some Islamics are exactly where we Christians were in 1860, just 150 years ago.” It is frightening to think that these violent and intolerant Muslims are 150 years behind civilization. 150 years ago we didn’t have the advances in communication that we have now. Muslims are the ones choosing to keep themselves back. Since the so-called moderate Muslims and the PC left are unwilling to condemn them, they will continue to live in the dark ages and innocent people will continue to suffer. I am not a fan of the Christian religion, but it seems to me that they have progressed a lot since 1782, but Islam has not, for instance they are still hiding their women behind those ridiculous burqas so that they can continue to control them even in those idiotic Arab countries that the US has “befriended”.

But imagine a more advanced culture looking at us, like Capt. Nemo, thinking, “what barbarians”. It takes time to grow.

So Valkryrie…what do you think about Harry Reid COMING OUT AGAINST the Ground Zero mosque?

“But imagine a more advanced culture looking at us, like Capt. Nemo, thinking, “what barbarians”. It takes time to grow.” Valkyrie

Alexander to a Greek courtier: “Don’t you feel that Greeks go about among Macedonians like demi-gods among wild beasts?”

Latin2 said:
So Valkryrie…what do you think about Harry Reid COMING OUT AGAINST the Ground Zero mosque?

He’s an idiot.

“He’s an idiot” and a racist to boot!

Mostly, he is a politician.

Reid must be a racist, a bigot, and anti-Constitutionalist. He also must be afraid of Muslims and hate religious individuals.

newzmaker said:
The Professional Left brought the signs to the TP rallies. Hatred for people NOT like them, by the TP? As a Caucasian Independent, I can honestly say that there’s no one on Earth, I detest more than White Liberals, though I’m not a TP member. LOL.

No one? The Nazi Party? White Supremacists? Iranian extremists? Those who killed innocents on 9/11? These people you embrace moreso than white liberals? How sad, and rather pathetic. As a white liberal — and as a Vietnam veteran — I respect your right to your viewpoints, however detestable I find them. After all, I did fight for your rights and mine.

Azarkhan said:
“He’s an idiot” and a racist to boot!

…and don’t forget BIGOT.

“Mostly, he is a politician.”

So you give Reid a pass and not me? No fair!

valkyrie101 said:
Mostly, he is a politician.

uhm…you mean like Obama? You mean Obama is not the new messiah?

Reid’s constituents are mostly against the mosque.

“Reid’s constituents are mostly against the mosque.” V

Then I would think it’s time for some principled leadership, à la Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln.

valkyrie101 said:
Reid’s constituents are mostly against the mosque.

uh…..the MAJORITY of Americans are against the mosque

valkyrie101 said:
Reid’s constituents are mostly against the mosque.

Could say then same about Obama.

Latin2 said:
uhm…you mean like Obama? You mean Obama is not the new messiah?

New Messiah? You will have to ask the Mormons, or perhaps, Reverend Moon, on that.

Lincoln was a politician. Rule number number one, you must get re-elected. I like Obama’s position on the mosque issue. Reid is sacrificing the bigger picture, which is peace and friendship with the Islamic moderates, for his own re-election. He is taking the mosque issue away from his opponent’s attack. That is a political manuever..

MartiniShark said:
Could say then same about Obama.

Obama must defend the Constitution. Which he did, correctly.

Is the mosque there to honor the traditional stoning of cheating muslim housewives, or more the killing of gays for their orientation – which one do the “religious-tolerance” Anti-Christian DEMOCRATS support more?

Remember in November – A Vote for ANY Democrat is a Vote for Appeasing Islamic Terrorists! *

*This is an Effective Talking Point, spread the word!

How is this a Constitution issue, again?

valkyrie101 said:
New Messiah? You will have to ask the Mormons, or perhaps, Reverend Moon, on that.

Lincoln was a politician. Rule number number one, you must get re-elected. I like Obama’s position on the mosque issue. Reid is sacrificing the bigger picture, which is peace and friendship with the Islamic moderates, for his own re-election. He is taking the mosque issue away from his opponent’s attack. That is a political manuever..

…or Muslims…Remember Muhammad.

uh….why did Obama BACKTRACK? If he really believes what he said to Muslims the 1st time….uh….why did he backtack it later?

felixw said:
This is not a question of prohibiting Muslims from worshiping freely. But it is a matter of exercising judgment and discretion. McDonald’s has a right to sell burgers, for example, but shouldn’t set up shop at ground zero in Hiroshima. You don’t hold the German polka competition at Normandy Beach — but that doesn’t mean people don’t have the right to dance the polka. Etc. etc. For the Far Left not to get this might seem amazing — except that they often don’t comprehend pretty basic things having to do with decorum and good judgment. But voters do understand this, and will make that clear in a few weeks time.

I don’t know how that is relevant at all but there is a McDonald’s a 4 minute walk from the Hiroshima Peace Memorial (the spot the bomb exploded) and there is also a KFC slightly closer than the McDonald’s.

Also, only people from the US would associate polka with Germans when it’s actually native to that entire region of Europe, not just Germany and didn’t even originate in Germany.

NORBIT said:
Is the mosque there to honor the traditional stoning of cheating muslim housewives, or more the killing of gays for their orientation – which one do the “religious-tolerance” Anti-Christian DEMOCRATS support more? Remember in November – A Vote for ANY Democrat is a Vote for Appeasing Islamic Terrorists! * *This is an Effective Talking Point, spread the word!

In the US, we have laws. If you violate the law, regardless of your creed, color, language, or political philosophy, you are captured and prosecuted. Its simple, believe whatever you want and follow the law. Is that complicated? Most, most of the 1.5 billion Islamics are moderate. They are not our enemy, nor is their Koran. Our enemy is the dark cleric who would not permit true freedom of thought and who use the ancient verses to justify murder. And again, the Koran and the Bible are quite similar in that they depict much violent conduct associated with winning one promised land or another.

Latin2 said:
…or Muslims…Remember Muhammad. uh….why did Obama BACKTRACK? If he really believes what he said to Muslims the 1st time….uh….why did he backtack it later?

Dude, Mohammed is dead. Reverend Moon, the true Messiah, is on earth, and he owns the republicans, especially Newt.

valkyrie101 said:
Dude, Mohammed is dead. Reverend Moon, the true Messiah, is on earth, and he owns the republicans, especially Newt.

…and the Muslims own the Democrats. Moons disciples don’t kill infidels, beat women, kill or imprison gays.

“Reverend Moon, the true Messiah, is on earth” Valkyrie

But not for long-the man is 90 years old! BTW, the only person Moon is influencing these days is his nurse, i.e., when he has to have his diapers changed.

MartiniShark said:
This reveals a rather notable disconnect going on with the supporters of this center: If it is not a Mosque, and just an innocuous community center, then how can there be charges of denial to religious freedoms?

Because it’s a disconnect created by its protesters and, subsequently, the mainstream media. It’s supposed to function like the 92nd St. Y in that it was founded by a religious group but offers a variety of services to the surrounding community, including prayer space. It’s still religious discrimination if the main argument against the center is based on the fact that its founders are Muslim.

Latin2 said:
…and the Muslims own the Democrats. Moons disciples don’t kill infidels, beat women, kill or imprison gays.

But American Muslims do?

“It’s supposed to function like the 92nd St. Y”

It’s fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A.
It’s fun to stay at the Y-M-C-A.

They have everything that you need to enjoy,
You can hang out with all the boys …

Latin2 said:
…and the Muslims own the Democrats. Moons disciples don’t kill infidels, beat women, kill or imprison gays.

Sure. The liberals are the ones fighting to preserve rights, the conservatives are so scared that they are cowering in their cellar with their cowboy boots, smoked beef jerky, goldline coins, guns, Bibles, and last days seeds. Without the liberals, we would have had a least two constitutional amendment repeals, together with amendments banning abortion, gay marriage, and Mexicans standing around, and probably the elimination of the Establishment clause, not to mention at least two states suceeding from the Union, just in the last couple weeks. We are Americans, we are not afraid.

Azarkhan said:
“Reverend Moon, the true Messiah, is on earth” Valkyrie But not for long-the man is 90 years old! BTW, the only person Moon is influencing these days is his nurse, i.e., when he has to have his diapers changed.

Are you kidding, his seed is planted. He can die and have his own religion controlling the world. :-)

Moon specifically went after Newt and Jerry Falwell, to do his bidding. Jerry died but his university, Liberty College, that Moon bankrolled, is churning out little newts and toads every season.

it sure would be nice if people educated themselves about 911. NO, I am NOT for Islam with their awful Sharia law, but there is evidence that THERMITE was used to take down the towers and it is MUCH more likely that the CIA took down the towers than Muslims.
Maybe, a big maybe, Obummer actually knows about the CIA and it using Islam as a “patsy” (though I prefer there to be NO Muslim mosques anywhere in the USA.

“the Koran and the Bible are quite similar in that they depict much violent conduct associated with winning one promised land or another.
———————————–

Except only one of those books has been used as pretext to over 20,000 worldwide terror attacks in the past decade, and it WASN’T the Bible!

- but those attacks continue to be met with silent resignation, if not tacit approval, by the very people proclaiming to differentiate themselves from those attackers!

blurgh. said:
It’s supposed to function like the 92nd St. Y in that it was founded by a religious group but offers a variety of services to the surrounding community, including prayer space

The center also aims to provide space for Friday prayers for 1,000–2,000 Muslims. Which i definitely not a mosque. It’s lik a little prayer broom closet, rally.

A primary place of worship for a couple of thousand people is a rec center, you assholes. It is NOT a mosque.

“I was not commenting, and I will not comment, on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there,” Mr. Obama said.

Park51 will be an awesome mosque and I am not commenting on the wisdom of putting it there.

blurgh. said:
Because it’s a disconnect created by its protesters and, subsequently, the mainstream media. It’s supposed to function like the 92nd St. Y in that it was founded by a religious group but offers a variety of services to the surrounding community, including prayer space. It’s still religious discrimination if the main argument against the center is based on the fact that its founders are Muslim.

So if that is the true thrust of this building why is it so important to them to have that plot of land? The governor offered them land nearby and the steadfastly refused it.

MartiniShark said:
So if that is the true thrust of this building why is it so important to them to have that plot of land? The governor offered them land nearby and the steadfastly refused it.

Does anyone have a source saying where that alternate site even is? The best I could find was: “The developers, however, say the planned location for the facility was chosen in order to serve the Muslim community in Lower Manhattan.”

NORBIT said:
“the Koran and the Bible are quite similar in that they depict much violent conduct associated with winning one promised land or another.———————————– Except only one of those books has been used as pretext to over 20,000 worldwide terror attacks in the past decade, and it WASN’T the Bible! – but those attacks continue to be met with silent resignation, if not tacit approval, by the very people proclaiming to differentiate themselves from those attackers!

Yes, more than 90% against other Islamics, however. But a a far cry from the number that Christians have killed over the years. Jefferson: “Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.” -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

A.P. — KABUL, Afghanistan — Taliban militants stoned a young couple to death for adultery after they ran away from their families in northern Afghanistan, officials said Monday.
—————————————————————————————-

…”The stoning is being supported by the same Democrats who demand a specific Ground Zero location for a new mosque, and misrepresent the LOCATION issue of the mosque as “religious freedom!”

I’ve always thought Newt Gingrich was a fool – and he’s proved it time and time again, this being the latest. What next, ban Japanese tourists from the Arizona Memorial on the grounds their presence there is an affront to the sailors entombed there and that the Japanese tourists’ only reason for being there is to remember fondly the attack on Pearl Harbor? Newt, you have excrement between your ears.

Two things: First – Yes, it is true that any religious group should be allowed to build wherever they want – however this does not mean they should. Decent Muslims would not be so provocative as to insist on this particular spot. Think about it, is there no place left in all of New York City to put such a center? There is not one inch of space left anywhere else to do this? It was meant as a middle finger to America. Any other religious group, facing this much opposition, would have long ago reconsidered the location – but not Muslims. Why?

Second. Islam is not a religion. It is no different in ideology or goals for world domination than Nazi Germany. While it is absolutely true that the Nazi card has for decades been overused – it happens that in this particular case it is quite accurate. Of course, if you are a liberal, anything anti-American such as this disrespect to ground zero is a non-affair.

NEWSFLASH…

Harry Reid and I both believe the mosqe should be built somewhere else….

This is the Reid/Batboy joint statement.

Agree with Harry Reid give me the willies!

I must leave now and go take a shower….

newzmaker said:
Most liberals join the military to receive a college education, not to fight wars.

That is without a doubt one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen. What a moron!!!

Keeva said:
The mosque is distasteful and undoubtedly a provocation, but it is Constitutionally protected and within the law.

What is it about this case that make some of you people simply refuse to understand what’s going on here? No one is disputing the muslims legal right to build their building, but they shouldn’t do it. And rather than just try to understand Gingrich’s analogy, you’d rather parse it and make fun of him. Who cares if his analogy is is good or bad? The point he’s making is one that so many of you just don’t seem to grasp: just because people have the right to do something, doesn’t mean that other people don’t have the right to pressure them not to.

Try this then… If any of you people who mock those who oppose the mosque with the rationalization that the muslims have their right, so we should shut up, well, I will expect you to never protest or speak out against anything that happens to be legal.

Just when you thought the polls numbers couldn’t get worse for the Democrats, they start leading cheers for a mosque at ground zero. And how has that played out in the polls? Well, look for yourself:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/10-us-house-genballot.php

NORBIT said:
A.P. — KABUL, Afghanistan — Taliban militants stoned a young couple to death for adultery after they ran away from their families in northern Afghanistan, officials said Monday.—————————————————————————————- …”The stoning is being supported by the same Democrats who demand a specific Ground Zero location for a new mosque, and misrepresent the LOCATION issue of the mosque as “religious freedom!”

Heh, heh, satire? Am I right? You are having trouble understanding that the moderate Islamics seek to be our friend, and are open to bringing Islamic civil rights up to par. They did not stone a couple. Peace, if you believe in that, requires welcoming moderate Islamics to practice their faith, in freedom, but under our laws. Pissing on them is exactly what the Taliban is hoping for, so they can say, see, just like torture and drone bombers, the Americans supposed good intentions and “freedom”, is just a pretext for intolerance against all of Islam. Join us in opposing the oppression of the infidels.

lanquihue said:
What is it about this case that make some of you people simply refuse to understand what’s going on here? No one is disputing the muslims legal right to build their building, but they shouldn’t do it.

I say let the Left continue to keep this issue in the news. The progressive (LOL!) movement in America is in self-destruction mode, and nothing makes it clearer than this kind of issue. And the irony is that these same ideologues constantly make smarmy and vile remarks about every other religion except Islam. Check out Valkyrie, who attacks Glenn Beck for his religion, who attacks George Bush for his religion, who attacks everybody for their religious beliefs on a daily basis here…ah, except for Muslims. Predictably, he jumps to the forefront to defend the Ground Zero Mosque! Nothing better for conservatives than to give these folks a big platform and let them speak their mind. If they push this matter hard enough, Obama’s favorability rating will be in the 30s before election day.

Have you seen the neighborhood. There is a topless bar a block away from the mosque. The bad guys are trying to put a wedge between America and its allie, the moderate Islamics. Who is pummeling that wedge? The tea party conservatives. Not for the benefit of our country.

valkyrie101 said:
Have you seen the neighborhood. There is a topless bar a block away from the mosque. The bad guys are trying to put a wedge between America and its allie, the moderate Islamics. Who is pummeling that wedge? The tea party conservatives. Not for the benefit of our country.

Here’s a suggestion, Val. Since you are such a virulent critic of religious extremism, why don’t you put together one of your famous cut-and-paste posts. But instead of quotes from Rev. Moon, you could include all those lunatic quotes from Ahmadinejad or Bin Laden or Farrakhan.

Or maybe you treat those folks with kid gloves, huh?

Gingrich Compares Ground Zero Mosque To ‘Nazi Sign Next To Holocaust Museum’

And that pretty well sums it up!

Personally…I find the Mosque to be offensive. The impression I get is that this project is more about grave-pissing and victory-dancing than it is about just building a cultural center for muslims…this based on the Imam overseeing the project, who has radical islamic tendencies, the non-disclosure of funding for the project, and the refusal to considerately accept free land to build it further from ground zero.

I find it totally offensive…especially so since I personally knew someone who died there on 911.

That being said, if it gets built it gets built. I won’t lose sleep over it. It’s more of a reflection on the people behind the project and those in our government, federal and local, who support and facilitate it. They’re the one’s who will have to live with their decisions and the consequences of those decisions.

To me it’s not much of an issue besides how it affects the people’s views of their politicians.

valkyrie101 said:
Have you seen the neighborhood. There is a topless bar a block away from the mosque. The bad guys are trying to put a wedge between America and its allie, the moderate Islamics. Who is pummeling that wedge? The tea party conservatives. Not for the benefit of our country.

topless bar owners didn’t fly a plane into the twin towers. If the Muslims are moderates who are building the mosque near Ground Zero…they would’ve taken Patterson’s offer…but they didn’t, did they.

kairos said:
Personally…I find the Mosque to be offensive. The impression I get is that this project is more about grave-pissing and victory-dancing than it is about just building a cultural center for muslims…this based on the Imam overseeing the project, who has radical islamic tendencies, the non-disclosure of funding for the project, and the refusal to considerately accept free land to build it further from ground zero. I find it totally offensive…especially so since I personally knew someone who died there on 911. That being said, if it gets built it gets built. I won’t lose sleep over it. It’s more of a reflection on the people behind the project and those in our government, federal and local, who support and facilitate it. They’re the one’s who will have to live with their decisions and the consequences of those decisions. To me it’s not much of an issue besides how it affects the people’s views of their politicians.

In other words, you blame Islam itself, and all Islamics for 911. Tar them with the terrorists. You are offended because how dare those nasty Islamics build a mosque 2 blocks away from the sight of the 911 terroist attack, even though they and THEIR religion had nothing to do with it. Its like blaming all Christians for the thousands of Islamics “ethnicly cleansed” in Bosnia by “Christians” just 15 years ago.

Latin2 said:
topless bar owners didn’t fly a plane into the twin towers. If the Muslims are moderates who are building the mosque near Ground Zero…they would’ve taken Patterson’s offer…but they didn’t, did they.

The terrorists do not represent “Islam”, any more than the Christians who slaughtered the Islamics in Bosnia represent Christianity.

pyrope said:
Gingrich Compares Ground Zero Mosque To ‘Nazi Sign Next To Holocaust Museum’ And that pretty well sums it up!

No, a more accurate analogy would be German Americans wanting to build a Lutheran Church next door to the holocaust museum, and extremists saying that Germans and Nazis are the same thing and so it would be an insult to the holocaust.

The terrorists have killed ten times more Islamics than white people. And you think the victims of terror and their families like the terrorists, because they are Islamic?

valkyrie101 said:
In other words, you blame Islam itself, and all Islamics for 911. Tar them with the terrorists. You are offended because how dare those nasty Islamics build a mosque 2 blocks away from the sight of the 911 terroist attack, even though they and THEIR religion had nothing to do with it. Its like blaming all Christians for the thousands of Islamics “ethnicly cleansed” in Bosnia by “Christians” just 15 years ago.

Nice projection of assumptions there…albeit baseless and childish.

I don’t blame all Islamics for any violence committed by radical fringes. I just believe this particular center/mosque is a project BY that radical fringe. I believe true moderate muslims would have taken the offer of free land and moved the project out of consideration and respect for those who suffered and are offended.

You could have just asked me instead of throwing out some generalized religious rhetoric that has nothing to do with my thoughts.

valkyrie101 said:
The terrorists have killed ten times more Islamics than white people. And you think the victims of terror and their families like the terrorists, because they are Islamic?

The terrorists are killing people from OTHER Islamic sects. Isn’t killing 3,000 ENOUGH and what does the race of the 9/11 victims have anything to do with all this…ARE YOU BEING A RACIST? I am not white and there were hundreds of non-white AMERICANS who died on 9/11

Why is the Imam DEMANDING the mosque be put there, and ignoring the tempest that has surfaced because of this DEMAND?

Doesn’t his obstinance BELIE what he claims to be the mission of the mosque/community center in the first place? – namely to bring about positive outreach & interaction? (I’ll answer; yes it does!)
—————————————————-

Keep it simple on the campaign trail & keep reinforcing the November Narrative: DEMOCRATS = SOFT ON TERROR!

valkyrie101 said:
The terrorists do not represent “Islam”, any more than the Christians who slaughtered the Islamics in Bosnia represent Christianity.

…and Christians did not build a church next to a site of a Muslim massacre in Bosnia…now why should the mosque builders build one next to 9/11?

…AND WHY ARE LIBERALS DEFENDING TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS…AGAIN? The Imam has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Imam from this center has a history of saying inciteful things, like America was responsible for the attacks, and he has recently refused to admit that HAmas is a terrorist orginization. He’s a completely innocent lamb.

All this Ground Zero Mosque debate proves one thing (that many of us already knew)

The INSANITY of Liberals meets no bounds!

valkyrie101 said:
The terrorists do not represent “Islam”

But if you write for the Washington Times, you are a Moonie according to Valkyrie, and responsible for everything Reverend Moon has ever said in his long lifetime. Heck, using Val’s logic, the newspaper boy delivering the times is a Moonie and also held accountable for every position of the Unitarian Church.

Apparently Val thinks that different, more easy-going rules apply if fanatical believers in a religion fly planes into buildings.

felixw said:
But if you write for the Washington Times, you are a Moonie according to Valkyrie, and responsible for everything Reverend Moon has ever said in his long lifetime. Heck, using Val’s logic, the newspaper boy delivering the times is a Moonie and also held accountable for every position of the Unitarian Church. Apparently Val thinks that different, more easy-going rules apply if fanatical believers in a religion fly planes into buildings.

LOL. You really are obsessed with Reverend Moon, Felix.

Newt deserves a noose around his neck – hung from a meat-hook.

valkyrie101 said:
LOL. You really are obsessed with Reverend Moon, Felix.

I hadn’t thought about him in years until I read your two hundred posts mentioning him in the last couple weeks.

Nachi said:
Newt deserves a noose around his neck – hung from a meat-hook.

It’s always good to hear directly from someone who is affiliated with the Ground Zero Mosque.

even better, the response from Morning Joe

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/node/39064

valkyrie101 said:
Who is pummeling that wedge? The tea party conservatives.

No, Barack Obama, for 4 straight days now.

valkyrie101 said:
The terrorists do not represent “Islam”, any more than the Christians who slaughtered the Islamics in Bosnia represent Christianity.

Try telling them that.

valkyrie101 said:
The terrorists have killed ten times more Islamics than white people. And you think the victims of terror and their families like the terrorists, because they are Islamic?

I am infinitely more concerned with the number of US citizens the terrorists have murdered than the number of their own that they’ve killed.

pyrope said:
I am infinitely more concerned with the number of US citizens the terrorists have murdered than the number of their own that they’ve killed.

Yes, that is obvious.

Latin2 said:
The terrorists are killing people from OTHER Islamic sects. Isn’t killing 3,000 ENOUGH and what does the race of the 9/11 victims have anything to do with all this…ARE YOU BEING A RACIST? I am not white and there were hundreds of non-white AMERICANS who died on 9/11

Yes, you are correct that the race of the 911 victims is irrelevent. Sorry if I offended you. As for the terrrorists killing other Islamics, that only proves that their urge to kill does not relate to Islam.

MartiniShark said:
The Imam from this center has a history of saying inciteful things, like America was responsible for the attacks, and he has recently refused to admit that HAmas is a terrorist orginization. He’s a completely innocent lamb

Ihe Iman is not a terrorist or a supporter of violence. Essentially your argument, in America, the land of the free, is that opening a mosque is not permitted.

This post is stunningly apt, or at least the headline is, because as we speak about this the Museum of Tolerance is building an Israeli version of itself on top of a Muslim cemetery, according to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, and in doing so has violated all kinds of Jerusalem city ordinances. What an irony!

Most of the attendance at the “Cordoba House” will be by Immigrants that live in Brooklyn and Queens, New York. many of them are Illegal Immigrants that have overstayed their student visas and are working in New York City.

Newt Gingrich has previously supported a “Comprehemsive immigration Reform” that would supply the big corporations in the US “Chamber of Commerce” with a plentiful supply of workers. The Middle Eastern Illegals will have to be given the same deal in the “Amnesty” that would result from the “Comprehensive Immigration Reform.”:

http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/profiles/blogs/palestinians-have-missle

Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich have penned a new book together:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49048410@N04/4900168673/

valkyrie101 said:
Reverend Moon, the true Messiah, is on earth, and he owns the republicans, especially Newt.

Give Valk enough time, and all political issues return to Rev. Moon — who clearly has more influence than the rest of realize. Well, more influence on Valkyrie’s obsessions, that is.

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