E.J. We couldn’t possibly care any less what you think.  Of course you want the primary dragged out.  That way we don’t have to talk about what an utter failure Barry has been.  You know that once it’s Mano E Manchild, he doesn’t stand a chance. 

Ultra lefty Obama suckup E.J. is concerned about Republicans.

How nice.

Be more concerned about how Obama has destroyed the Democrat party , and you are stuck with him.

Who will be their candidate in 2016 ? Biden ? Wassermann-Schultz? Maxine Waters?

Oh my gosh, can you imagine the fun we’d have with a Biden/Little Debbie ticket!!!! 

The dems would then have a Chinese/latino presidential candidate next…….lol

Bush was the utter failure.

btw…….its funny that you call Obama a manchild. A manchild beat your presidential candidate in both a debate and presidential election. BOOM!

Sorry, but polls say something different every day.  But please, keep on those blinders.

“E.J. Dionne is asking whether it’s time for Republicans to draft someone new into the campaign.”

Preferably someone acceptable to E.J. Dionne. Sadly for E.J., Karl Marx is dead—although he might be to conservative for E.J. if he were alive.

Michelle are you jealous of all the fun Dem’s are having with the Republican front runners, Romney, Cain and uh,…oh…no that’s not it, ah,… oops?  LOL!  Most entertaining primary EVER!  Thank you! 

I wonder if Obama would’ve been elected if he were white.

Maybe they should start all over and draft all new candidates.  

Cuomo? Spitzer? Kucinich? Soooooo many possibilities. I don’t think the Dems get that after this next election, they have NO ONE to run.

It’s sad that you see ethnicity as a factor.

No, no new candidates required, because this crop of Republicans are all winners with absolutely no baggage or a deep concerns.

Looking forward to their Nomination, probably Mitt Romney, but why not Herman ’9-9-9 Plan’ Cain or Michele Bachmann. Two extremely able candidates with a strong understanding and country wide appeal.

I wonder if Bush would have been elected if he were black.

I think EJ  may have a point.  Let’s summarize what we have.  Cain nervous that the Chinese may come up with a Nuke, Perry can’t remember if the Chinese have a nuke or not, Romney nice guy but the Republican Chameleon, Newt the spin doctor couldn’t give you a straight answer if he had to,  Ron Paul league and a world  of his own, Bachmann does even understand as President she has no authority to repeal Obamacare (she must have sent away for her law degree), and the other two aren’t even on the radar. Right now its a matter of picking the best of the worst.

What  WCinWI2?!!!!!!!!!   Scroll up retard you injected race first .. BWAHHHHHHHHH

Bush had experience, Barry had ZERO!

I’m not jealous at all.  I just find it amusing that liberals are doing their best to NOT talk about Barry.  I mean a lot of DEMS won’t even be seen with him. 

Anyone of them is FAR better than Ozero. 

It’s amazing that there will be so many more Debates, which will do no more than confirm what Republicans already know…

…Mitt Romney, whom they dislike, is their best/worst choice by default of being least stupid and showing coherence. It doesn’t change however his gifted chameleon ability to shape shift position with constant regularity. 

Come back Sarah!  All is forgiven!

…once it’s Mano E Manchild…

The expression you so eloquently butchered is “mano a mano”…dummy.

Odd, you sure seem jealous.  What is amusing is watching you do your best not to talk about how embarrassing the republican debates have been so far.  Don’t worry though, you will have lots more opportunity.  Eleven down and only fourteen more to go!  So much fun!

Even if that were true it doesn’t answer the question does it?

He is White but for some reason you would never know that side would you? Talk about OREO! A bit of racism there  I always felt by not  talking that side up ummm?

Just your take, loved BUSH!
This utter failure that has a silver tongue and nothing more except a teleprompter, is the worst we have ever had in history
 Are you better off today?? Lie if you will, but your almighty racked up more debt in 3 years than  the  whole period of time of the  Bush adminstration. The lack of intelligence on the left is curious.

We love Newt, finally we will get the whole package and  intellect to go with the job.

Well, ironic isn’t it, your little brain isn’t in gear yet. What happens in debates is the one that shines in the end is it, and NOTICE, NEWT?

Time for EJ Dionne to stop talking with his tongue STUCK to the inside of his bottom two front teeth..

What do EJ Dionne, Michael Isikoff, and Ezra Klein all have in common?

THEY ALL THREE TALK WHILE THEIR TONGUE IS STUCK TO THE BACKSIDE OF THEIR TWO LOWER FRONT TEETH!

Calista got the full Newt package, which is why she always looks like she is about to vomit.

Here’s some Republicans who can run:

Jerry Sandusky
Jack Abramoff
Marcus Bachmann

And you would prefer to fallback to another 4 years of failed Bush policies?  Everything being proposed todate by the Reps is a extension of what got us here in the first place.  As an example extend the tax breaks for the weathy. Been there with Bush in 2003 lost millions of jobs after the bill was signed many to overseas markets, reduce regulations on Banks did that with Bush resulted in the biggest meltdown sinse the great depression, deregulate the oil companies did that with Bush result in the biggest deeper water disaster in history.   You want to hear more because I have a bunch.

Is this some lame bagger meme?

You’re kidding, right? Liberals live for ethnicity and group think. They hate individualism.

.Ronald Reagan cardboard cutout?

Teleprompter?Where?LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5vOMIN673A

Herb Cain loves the bush.

How dare you confuse the narrative with Obama taking on the whole GOP house delegation without a teleprompter!   That doesn’t fit their story! You ruin the jokes with this, dammit.  No wonder Fox cut away in the middle once Obama started embarrassing them.   My favorite was when the right referred to Obama showing up without notes or prompter to do a Q&A with the entire GOP house membership as an ambush…

Once again E J. your mental health worker let you out too soon.

Yes,we have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

actually, the polls show Obama beating all the GOP clown car losers.

I wonder if Palin would have been elected if she had a brain.

guess you missed that total economic collapse that took place under Mr. Boosh.

you might want worry about you party’s own lack of candidates.

THWHAT?

The GOP can’t even find anyone for this election. You might want to wait before worrying about 2016.

LOL

Dig up Grover Cleveland and run him again!

LOL

LOL

LOL

We can read polls E.J.!!

WHY – OH WHY – would the NEW GOP ever listen to you?
They’d have to take a shower afterwards – every time!

An interestingly-structured article. A Liberal cites another Liberal to help him wring his hands over our reluctance to nominate Mr. Romney  Then they go on to suggest, in effect, “If you can’t bring yourself
tpo nominate Romney, won;t you at least give us someone else who’d lose?”

All this bracketed by (a) “it looks like the Repuboicans will nominate Romney as their safest choice” and
“the Republicans consistentlty resist Romney.”

Odd.

The fact is, there is an excellent field running, any one of whom would do a better job than Mr. Obama (not
difficult) and two of whom (Mr. Cain and Mr. Gingrich) would be outstanding at the job.

That’s what has Messers Martel and Dionne so worried.

That’s categorically wrong.
All except Romney have proposed drastic changes or abolition of the current tax code in lieu of some variations on flat taxes.

Don’t feel bad.
Like most uniformed Dems, once you’re enlightened with the wisdom of truth, you’ll switch over to the NEW GOP!

Hi, Truth001–

I’m sure you do have a bunch, but I would hesitate to call (all of it) truth. (1) Everyone gets tax breaks.
Rich people make more money, so their breaks are bigger. They also constitute about 70% of the tax
revenue stream, already. You resent them. That is not a sound basis for a national policy.

(2) The job loss was unrelated to the “tax breaks.” It came from your next (valid) point: the export of jobs overseas.

(3) Reducing the regulations on banks was not the problem. Becoming their insurance policy was. The
“Prudent Man Rule”  can be discarded, if you know Big Brother is standing by to bail you out. Also, the
Dodd-Frank bill, which forces banks to make loans to people who cannot repay them, is what collapsed the banking system. The banks, in order to stay in business (and keep their employees employed) they
then monetized and sold these government-mandated bad loans as financiakl products. Not good, but
the alternative was to go out of business.

(4) “Deregulation of the oil companies” never happened. Lifting the restrictions on offshore drilling (the only
kind the Democrats will allow) is not “deregulation.” Onshore drilling would be better. We have more oil
than Saudi Arabia and more natural gas than anyone. We have the greatest deposits of clean, fast-
burning anthracite coal in the world. Instead, the Democrats have us severely limited in how much of our own property we’re allowed to use, and insist that we drill mostly offshore, where accidents (like the one you cite) are more costly.

Lastly, no-one–that is to say, no-one–is looking to re-live the Bush II era  Or the Clinton era. Or the
Bush I era. Mr. Obama is our fourth post-American globalist President in a row. We don’t need a fifth,
and the GOP has (fighting all the way, granted) finally (apparently) caved in to the Constitutionalist movement that insists, oddly enough, that the nation should actually follow the basic laws of the land.

The only people out there equating this new GOP with George W. Bush, are its opponents. You won’t
find him very enthusiastically inside the Constitutionalist movement.

I think that would be the MOST safest choice, to RUN another candidate in their party. Cuz right now, there are about 2 that are pretty good choices…Cain was a horrendous choice, afterall… So, if the republicans want the White House as bad as they ACT, they better get someone in there that KNOWS the ropes. PROMISES/PROMISES is all we ever hear, and NOTHING about fixing our stooper.

Our candidates have Birth Certificates, real ones. Our candidates have Social Security Cards, real ones. Two of them served their country. They haven’t paid to have their records sealed. They read a bill before it is signed. They respect the constitution. They won’t double the nations debt. Their background will be investigated before they take the oath of office. Most of all they are American citizens.

Our candidates have Birth Certificates, real ones. Our candidates have Social Security Cards, real ones. Two of them served their country. They haven’t paid to have their records sealed. They read a bill before it is signed. They respect the constitution. They won’t double the nations debt. Their background will be investigated before they take the oath of office. Most of all they are American citizens.

Republican primary voters don’t read anything from Team Obama media whore Dionne.

I’m not going to point counter point with you, but the “new GOP” might want to educate the 8 people standing on the debate stage of your new agenda because the one they a touting sounds a lot like the old pre-Obama one.

Link to birth certificates please?

I assume you are capable of doing your own research, then again maybe not.

That was a total smackdown, eh?

And Fox didn’t really report it after that. I talked to several GOP friends who have that Fox needle in their arm 24/7 and they knew nothing about it.

Funny how afraid of the truth these folks are! Obama went ‘toe to toe’ with these twits–including Ryan–and served up an extra large can of ‘whoop-A$$’ for the habitual dissemblers in the GOP.

HA!

2016?

Ah…you’ve given up on 2012?

Wise decision.

Hey, GOP….

DRAFT PATERNO!!!

He ain’t got no job, and it’s likely he’ll be your dream candidate and DO NOTHING when ‘things’ need to be done.

PaterNO 2012!!! PaterNO 2012!!! PaterNO–I won’t call the cops, raise the debt ceiling, lead, or address problems…IT AIN’t NONNA MY BUSINESS!!!

“Leadership” you can count on to NOT lead!”

He was a Democrat.

A lot can happen in 12 months. Remember, the polls also showed George H.W. Bush running ahead of Clinton nearly all the way up until the 1992 conventions. The incumbent also loses ground when it’s close.

Dude, I hear he’s a good guy, but that is some original stuff you posted.  Priceless, thanks.

Two types of people still hang on to this birther crap… old farts and white trash.  Which are you?  Never mind meth has done its damage.

Well I wouldn’t hold my breath for that.

Hi, Truth001–

(1)  We should all be concerned about the possibility that China may develop an intercontinental nuclear
delivery system. We need to defend againast that eventuality, not only re. China but also Iran and North
Korea.

(2) and (3)  No comment.

(4)  Actually, Mr. Gingrich is a genuinely brilliant man with a profound understanding of government,
American and world history and our country’s founding documents and fundamental laws. The Left
dislike him, because his arguments rely on–and cite–actual facts. Conversely, The Left claims
“intellectual superiority” because they will not consider anyone an “intellectual” who does not subordinate
facts to “truth” in the Leninist sense: that which is “ideologically and politically correct.” is “truth,” and
supercedes whatevr “facts” may appear to disagree with it. That’s why you can’t have a fact-based
discussion with a Liberal-sooner or later his justifications will run out, and he’ll be forced to simply declare
your argument “ignorant” (i.e. anti-ideological/counter-revolutionary/revanchiste, etc.), which, to him, is a
valid clinching argument.

(5)  We almost agree.

(6)  Actually, a President doesn’t have the ability to write or remove anything from the law, be it Obamacare or DOMA–something Mrs. Bachmann undersands far more competently than does
Mr. Obama, who believes he is permitted to rule by decree. Every time a Presidential candidate
says, “I will…” there is a tacit tagline that goes, “…given the will of Congress.”

I would like to hear that tagline spoken verbally, in campaigns, myself, but it never is, by any candidate.

Mr,. Obama is, however, the first President since Mr. Nixon who has been serious about trying to
enforce that omission in the real world.

Your candidates are missing a few things….Perry=brain, Cain= character, Romney= spine, Gingrich=character, Bachmann=brain

OMG!

And who would want them to read?

The path the Republicans are following during this primary season is absolute perfection. At the end of it they’ll have a completely unelectable candidate (a loon, a liar, or a lothario) and the Dems can concentrate on sweeping out teepers and their even more treasonous handlers from the Congress.

It’s a good day.

I feel that Palin is the only candidate right now who could pull off a major upset in the primaries at this stage, although she probably won’t. Her two bus tours were positive signs that a candidacy would be welcome. Even in New Hampshire, which is apparently out of bounds for Ms. Palin, she completely raped Romney in terms of media coverage by just taking a walk on the coast. If we don’t get another candidate – or a better one, I’m comfortable with seeing Obama reelected. I am not of the ABO (anybody but Obama) camp.

Love it. Make wildly inaccurate statements (also known as “lies”) and then challenge a poster who disagrees with you to defend your fictions.

Is it any wonder that “ineptitude” is the number one rightwing value?

One small matter: before the individuals you named can get into a postion to rubbish the country any further, they’d have to win the election.

You really think Cain could win in the general? You really think Gingrich could win in the general?

Can I interest you in some Peruvian railroad bonds?

Him being dead and all, it shouldn’t really matter. At least he’s not Romney-Cain-Bachmann-Gingrich-Paul-Santorum-Huntsman-etc.-etc.

I think Abramoff is currently unable to campaign. Only so much you can do from your room in the halfway house.

Just responding to a few of your comments:

1) While China is a concern on several fronts, that doesn’t mean that Cain knows what he’s talking about. He’s really just a bullshitter, which becomes more obvious every day.

4) Your defense of Gingrich is not backed up by the facts. The “left” dislikes Gingrich because he’s a monomanical asshole. This is the same reason everyone else who hates him, hates him. He has broad knowledge of how to wreck a government, but his intellectual output (most of which is novels in the Alternative History genre, co-written with an actual novelist) is cheap, middlebrow, and threadbare.

6) As proven by the last three years, Obama has a very finely honed knowledge of what a president is and isn’t empowered to do by law and convention. You apparently do not, if you compare Bachmann’s ditzy misunderstanding of reality to Obama’s governance.

The problem with talking points issued by political parties is that they often turn out to be bald-faced lies.

As an example, at this point in our technical development, “clean” and “coal” cannot be used in the same sentence without lying. The “oil” we supposedly have (which in your version of reality exceeds Saudi Arabia’s) is not oil, but tarry sands from which oil can only be extracted by herculean, environment-destroying technologies. And most of it is in Canada anyway. Release of US natural gas these days almost always requires frakking, a potentially lethal technology about whice far too little is actually understood.

The relationship between reality and the rest of you points above is equally weak.

The problem with talking points issued by political parties is that they often turn out to be bald-faced lies.

As an example, at this point in our technical development, “clean” and “coal” cannot be used in the same sentence without lying. The “oil” we supposedly have (which in your version of reality exceeds Saudi Arabia’s) is not oil, but tarry sands from which oil can only be extracted by herculean, environment-destroying technologies. And most of it is in Canada anyway. Release of US natural gas these days almost always requires frakking, a potentially lethal technology about whice far too little is actually understood.

The relationship between reality and the rest of you points above is equally weak.

Of course we want the primary dragged out! Good god, when your opponents are shit-wrestling with the “best and the brightest” of their party trying to shove turds up each other’s noses (when they’re not barfing all over their shirts), what sensible politician would ever want it to stop?

And thanks for your concern, but we still get to talk about Obama. And even criticize him for not whacking the nutbags harder.

Of course we want the primary dragged out! Good god, when your opponents are shit-wrestling with the “best and the brightest” of their party trying to shove turds up each other’s noses (when they’re not barfing all over their shirts), what sensible politician would ever want it to stop?

And thanks for your concern, but we still get to talk about Obama. And even criticize him for not whacking the nutbags harder.

Of course we want the primary dragged out! Good god, when your opponents are shit-wrestling with the “best and the brightest” of their party trying to shove turds up each other’s noses (when they’re not barfing all over their shirts), what sensible politician would ever want it to stop?

And thanks for your concern, but we still get to talk about Obama. And even criticize him for not whacking the nutbags harder.

Yeah. Like wow.

Yeah. Like wow.

Yeah. Like wow.

Now that’s a sensible comment. A HELL of a lot can happen in 12 months.

However, the Republicans are seriously setting themselves up for disaster. It’s pretty much how the sensible commentators (and sensible people in the Republican party, for that matter) have viewed the Tea Party movement from its beginnings: a caustic sociopolitical force that could keep the Republicans from winning a national election for the next 10 or 12 years, until its baleful influence wanes to insignificance.

After which demographic developments are likely to complete the destruction of conservatism (as it’s practiced today).

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHEHE big Breath HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHE

Sorry lefties, you are stuck with ONE. One and done. The Carter era part deux.

Obama stated that if he could not turn around the economy, he would not run again. Hmmmm, so why did he change his mind? Could it be because he is a narcissist? Or is it all the free vacations and meals that Moochelle likes so much?

Maybe she could tell the children to eat their vegetables and tell them to lay off the french fries as she is stuffing her face with them. BY the BY, fries are potatoes, you know………..vegetables.

Anyway, since some leftie thinks they want to disparage the Republicans and Republican gaffes, I am SURE you will not hear that Obama, the consumate “intellect” does not even know how to pronounce Kay Sawn! Oh, derrrrrrrrrr, must be another one of those corpsemen moments-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Wp1OCwrCA7o

How much have you had to drink tonight?  DK, enlighten me or humor me, which ever is easier for you, which of your presidential candidates will beat Obama?  Don’t tell me you’re holding out hope for Simple Sarah?  

Just when I think this nit has plumbed the bottom of his inarticualte ignorance, he finds another slimy hole to crawl into.

It’s kind of inspiring, in a sick sort of way.

Actually, I’m kind of hoping norbit does hold his breath . . . just long enough.

ej and the wapo commenting on anything republican isnt woirth reading.  both r well known lefties.

yawn

I was going through my mansion and found my old gym shoes, they are thinking of running and have polled 5 points behind Obama. I am thinking of endorsing.

By the way, I am just following the Mediaite pattern of intellectual discussion. Do not like it? Complain to Mediaite, they do not have ONE conservative on their payroll. They continually use accusations and political comedians to attempt to make their point.

If you do not like my comments, please refrain from replying to me. Too bad they do not have an option in Disqus to ignore certain people.

Oh one other thing, I could be three sheets to the wind and you would not know because you are as intelligent as I, when I am at 3.5 BAC.

The cookie-cutter set, patted each other on the back and didn’t go after each other in tonight’s South Carolina debate, but circled their own wagons and spoke their own stump speeches! They all mentioned president Obama again and again, therefore president Obama won this so-called debate! The mimicking of Paul Ryan’s manifesto, by Romney in cutting back on expenses at the expense of American’s is tantamount to allowing the fox to guard the hen house. The same goes for Huntsman who hemmied-and-hawed the same rhetoric. Newt seemed more presidential but again fell through when he blasted president Obama repeatedly, which again pointed to the president’s winning the night! Paul seemed reserved as he was kept from flowing his usual speech. Newton and Perry both spoke the “Reagan” as if to bless themselves with the mentioning of his name. Santorum, Bachmann and Cain didn’t make any new inroads into the way their “Presidency” would run and they stalled themselves with wordage in an effort seem knowledgeable. All-in-all they didn’t change my mind with tonight’s Tet-a-Tet. None will get the title of “Commander-in-Chief” as they are too full of themselves. Huntsman was the most flagrant of the bunch when he sucked up to DeMint.

Absolutely.
Hear Hear.

We who?

Michelle has a lot of hate inside her. Her posts are telling.

That old coot never answered the question.  How rude!

True, but that was when Obama was running with a clean slate and a catchy phrase.  Today he has a record of dismal failure and no catchy phrase is going to change that!

Guess you missed the fact that the House and Senate were under the complete control of the Democrats when that collapse occurred!

Well, ya gotta admit the economy was a heck of a lot better pre-Obama!  In fact, it was a even better than that before Democrats took over of the House and Senate during the 2006 election!

I think anyone who isn’t Obama will win the general.  It has become very apparent that he has no clue what he is doing and is going to continue to shove his failed big government policies down our throats regardless of how much damage they do…so yeah, anyone but Obama is fine with me and most of America.

And you think Obama isn’t missing a few things!   LOL  You have got to be kidding!  If the man’s mouth is moving, he is lying.  He is certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer…take away his teleprompter for even a few minutes and he falls apart.  As for character, Sinclair’s accusations against Obama are no less relevant than the girl’s accusations against Cain…and much more serious.

Buy a clue, lady. The real failed presidency is the one that ended three years ago and left behind massive debt, two wars, an array of scandals, job losses to the tune of 700,000 a month, a staggering wage gap, a stock market in free fall and a penchant for torture. 

Every time we think your stupidity has reached a new low, you amaze us.

WRONG. The polls still consistently show Obama in a stronger position than his Republican opponents. 

You’re so typical of Republicans today. You spout stuff that’s so evidently false, and yet you just don’t even care. FACTS are entirely expendable things. Why do you feel it so easy to lie? 

I’ll put Obama up against any of your clowns in the smarts department. Sinclair scandal?…..alleged gay sex …the guy failed a lie detector test….bunch of lies and you know it. With Cain…where there’s smoke ..there’s fire.

It’s so nice of all the pundits – left, right, and center – to tell Republican primary voters for whom they should vote.  I’m especially grateful to Leftist scribblers like E.J. Dionne who go out of their way to help us decide.  I just know they have the best interests of the Republican Party in mind when they tell us that none of the candidates can beat President Obama except Governor Romney, because they are just too radical, or unintelligent, or inexperienced, or have too many skeletons in their closets.  Thanks, EJ.  Pity you didn’t tell the Democratic Party that Barak Obama wasn’t qualified, because he certainly had all of those problems.  And still does, IMHO.

 Yeah, it’s a shame that the Republicans didn’t cut each other down, and instead concentrated on saying what they, personally wanted to say.  So much more useful to give David Axelrod more ammunition for the general election.

Get over it.  Sarah isn’t running.

Except that Obama continues to top all Republican contenders in head-to-head polls. So “most” of American is content to vote for anyone but a Republican.

Dionne isn’t telling anyone how to vote. He’s saying that data indicates Republican voters don’t find the current choices very appealing.

Sentient beings around the planet rejoice in how refreshingly sensible that assessment is.

It seems you gave up reading a long time ago.

Don’t restart on my account.

A QUESTION TO MEDIAITE IN GENERAL:

Did someone — perhaps in an act of misplaced kindness — suggest to DK above that his posts were, oh I don’t know . . . funny? Interesting? Valid? Worth reading?

Because I’ve found in these cases that until you lead the subject to understand that they’re just not very bright or interesting or pertinent or worthwhile, that they will simply continue the same anti- or asocial behavior that brought them to your attention in the first place.

So in these instances, kindness is actually cruelty, setting back the subject’s progress toward reintegration with the community.

Democrats were the conservative party in those days. Glenn Beck reveres him.

Unfortunately for Republicans and fortunately for everyone else, that chameleon ability will be the stick Obama uses to beat him to a pulp during the general.

Well then at least they’d have something that can reliably out-debate the current crop.

Strictly speaking, Bush wasn’t elected. He was selected once (by a corrupt Supreme Court) and had Ken Blackwell, et al, cook the books the second time.

Bush gets an asterisk in the Presidential record book.

The MSM Corporations and their dummy politicians! America you are lost! People like Abramoff didn’t even bother to visit Dr Ron Paul, he had no chance. I’m voting for Dr Ron Paul.

Probably just as well to focus on imagined political fun that could (but won’t) take place five years from now.
 
This is right on so many levels. It doesn’t require you to have even a passing acquaintance with the facts, you can get all excited about fictional goings-on that nobody else cares about, and it moves you out of that bleak, unhappy place that we call “the Republicans’ 2012 election.”
 
And it’s utter nonsense! What could be more perfect for you?

Do you even know what Congress does?

Obama Kill Bill
by Robert Black on Sunday, November 13, 2011 at 4:32pm
After
a  review of the bill that passed the democratic controlled congress,
One can not use the word care to describe this massive document designed
to increase the power of government and kill private medical care. From
hence forth, the proper name for this bill is the Obama Kill Bill.“All
possible means were used by the infatuated parents to conclude the
bargain; and deception put an end to these usual artifices. “Adelbert
von Chamisso. Obama and the democratic party used eveyr lie in the book
to pass this bill over the objection of the American people. This bill
is a danger to all Americans, please liberals, read this with an open
mind do not discard it before you consider the words carefully.
 
One
of the most disturbing elements found in the bill is found on line
pages 58 and 59. The government will have real time access to all bank
accounts. They will have the power and authority to make electronic
transfer from these accounts. “Rightful liberty is unobstructed action
according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights
of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is
often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights
of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson. A true liberal will demand along
with conservative that this be struck down. When a tyrant has control
of  a citizen’s money, he has a strangle hold on the citizenry and can
bend them to his will at any time.
 
“An illness is like a
journey into a far country; it sifts all one’s experience and removes it
to a point so remote that it appears like a vision.” Sholem Asch.  We
all live in fear of Cancer, cancer is no respecter of persons, nor a
respecter of age. Page 272, section 1145, Cancer hospital will ration
care according to the patient age. If your Grandmother is 58 and there a
numerous cancer patients younger, the hospital will not treat your
grandmother or mother. They will be sent to one of the death hospices.
This is not a wild claim, just flip to the pages quoted. “Among the
natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life,
secondly to liberty, and thirdly to property; together with the right to
defend them in the best manner they can”.  Samuel Adams. The kill bill
has taken away the right of an elder person to life.  I did not give
this government the right to kill the elderly, Did You?  they have
assumed this right with the  Obama kill bill.
 
Page 425
lines 4-12 All citizens on social security will be required to attend an
end of life seminar ever five years, It is with in the scope of reality
to assume, if one does not attend his benefits will be forfeited. I
will attend per the law, the first word out of a bureaucrat mouth that
suggest, I should consider surrendering my life or that I should
surrender my mother’s life will mean an automatic forfeiture of his
ability to teach a death seminar again. An end of life seminar is a way
to convince a person their  life is not worth living and that he is a
burden on society. The democratic party are strong believers in the
following quote.“The invalid is a parasite on society. In a certain
state it is indecent to go on living. To vegetate on in cowardly
dependence on physicians and medicament after the meaning of life, the
right to life, has been lost ought to entail the profound contempt of
society.”  Friedrich Nietzsche.  Liberals this has to be upsetting to
you as well as me. “I believe in the supreme worth of the individual and
in his right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”John D.
Rockefeller
 
Page 429, line 13-25, The government 
will decide which doctors has the right to order a citizen exterminated.
This bill does not apply to the pampered congress and their family.
 
There
so many controversial items in the bill, this is the first installment
for one to consider. The items can be checked out. It’s not a right or
left thing, it just a presentation of the worst part of a very bad bill.

Obama Kill Bill
by Robert Black on Sunday, November 13, 2011 at 4:32pm
After
a  review of the bill that passed the democratic controlled congress,
One can not use the word care to describe this massive document designed
to increase the power of government and kill private medical care. From
hence forth, the proper name for this bill is the Obama Kill Bill.“All
possible means were used by the infatuated parents to conclude the
bargain; and deception put an end to these usual artifices. “Adelbert
von Chamisso. Obama and the democratic party used eveyr lie in the book
to pass this bill over the objection of the American people. This bill
is a danger to all Americans, please liberals, read this with an open
mind do not discard it before you consider the words carefully.
 
One
of the most disturbing elements found in the bill is found on line
pages 58 and 59. The government will have real time access to all bank
accounts. They will have the power and authority to make electronic
transfer from these accounts. “Rightful liberty is unobstructed action
according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights
of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is
often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights
of the individual.” Thomas Jefferson. A true liberal will demand along
with conservative that this be struck down. When a tyrant has control
of  a citizen’s money, he has a strangle hold on the citizenry and can
bend them to his will at any time.
 
“An illness is like a
journey into a far country; it sifts all one’s experience and removes it
to a point so remote that it appears like a vision.” Sholem Asch.  We
all live in fear of Cancer, cancer is no respecter of persons, nor a
respecter of age. Page 272, section 1145, Cancer hospital will ration
care according to the patient age. If your Grandmother is 58 and there a
numerous cancer patients younger, the hospital will not treat your
grandmother or mother. They will be sent to one of the death hospices.
This is not a wild claim, just flip to the pages quoted. “Among the
natural rights of the colonists are these: First a right to life,
secondly to liberty, and thirdly to property; together with the right to
defend them in the best manner they can”.  Samuel Adams. The kill bill
has taken away the right of an elder person to life.  I did not give
this government the right to kill the elderly, Did You?  they have
assumed this right with the  Obama kill bill.
 
Page 425
lines 4-12 All citizens on social security will be required to attend an
end of life seminar ever five years, It is with in the scope of reality
to assume, if one does not attend his benefits will be forfeited. I
will attend per the law, the first word out of a bureaucrat mouth that
suggest, I should consider surrendering my life or that I should
surrender my mother’s life will mean an automatic forfeiture of his
ability to teach a death seminar again. An end of life seminar is a way
to convince a person their  life is not worth living and that he is a
burden on society. The democratic party are strong believers in the
following quote.“The invalid is a parasite on society. In a certain
state it is indecent to go on living. To vegetate on in cowardly
dependence on physicians and medicament after the meaning of life, the
right to life, has been lost ought to entail the profound contempt of
society.”  Friedrich Nietzsche.  Liberals this has to be upsetting to
you as well as me. “I believe in the supreme worth of the individual and
in his right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”John D.
Rockefeller
 
 
Page 429, line 13-25, The government 
will decide which doctors has the right to order a citizen exterminated.
This bill does not apply to the pampered congress and their family.
 
There
so many controversial items in the bill, this is the first installment
for one to consider. The items can be checked out. It’s not a right or
left thing, it just a presentation of the worst part of a very bad bill.

You delusion is greater than your ability to think clearly. Where do you live in La La land. Apparently you do not study the polls. Just a hint at how deep you delusion is Obama favorable rating in our community is down to 58 percent from 83 before Cain got in the race. Take a strong reality pill and get serious about politics.

It is time for Gary Johnson to get his moment(s) in the spotlight. His record as a two-term Governor of New Mexico is unrivaled, and he was extremely popular in a state that favors Democrats by a margin of 2-1. That speaks volumes to Johnson’s mass appeal to all – not just one political party. The establishment press needs to end their exclusion of Johnson from the debates (with the exception of Fox News, they have been more then fair and gracious to GJ) so the American voter can actually get a chance to know the best candidate out there! More: http://spatialorientation.com/tag/gary-johnson/

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Try using it before it deteriorates any further. The truth is all around you, just open your eyes and mind and you will see the light. Obama and most of the Democratic congress are nothing more than con artist that deceive the American poeple.You must have been on another planet the last 3 years if you are not aware of it.

I’m no fan of Obama. He has failed at cleaning up Bush’s mess. But seriously..do you think any of these Republican candidates are capable of turning the country around?

he is white

HAAAAHHHAAAAAAAAAA

DISMAL FAILURE?…..HE IS FINALLY TRYING TO CLEAN UP DUBYAS MISTAKES …BRING HOME THE TROOPS -KILLED OSAMA (WHICH THE RITEWING NUT-JOBS WANT CREDIT FOR)  DESIGNED A BRIILIANT STRATEGY  PLAN AGAINST GADDAFY….HIS ONLY “FAILURE” IS DAT UNEMPLOYMENT IS @ 9%…1 PER CENT OVER WAT HE SAID IT WOULD BE..WOW THAT IS A DISMAL FAILURE LOL

Wassermann-Schultz IS A BRILLIANT POLITICIAN….

YEA KINDA LIKE DUBYA…..

LOLOLOL…..DID U SAY THAT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE?

Of course I know what Congress does.  Apparently you do not.  The president merely leads, taking action occasionally through executive order.  Congress actually controls the spending and writes and passed bills.  While all three branches of government are equal, each holds power over different things.  A president may veto Congress, but Congress can over ride that veto.  If you have a reason, not just a snark, please let me know how Congress being held by completely by Democrats in the last two years of the Bush administration had no relevance, because to me, it clearly did. 

Let me explain something.

Quoting some public figure saying something ponderous, followed by a fact-free sound bite about something you don’t understand — and hence don’t like — about the health care reform package doesn’t make much of an argument. In fact, it makes you sound like a chump, an empty gourd vibrating in time to Tea Party talking points.

For example, there’s nothing radical about the government being able to make direct deposits/withdrawals. These have been in place for similar purposes for decades.

The “send granny to the Death Home” is a flat lie, which I’m pretty sure you know, and so your inclusion of that item in your post only further damages your already shaky credibility. Yes, provision of care should be managed and services sequenced based on physicians and other health workers’ assessments of the outcomes. This is a much preferable group to be involved in such decisions than insurance auditors whose sole mission is to not pay for procedures at all.

End-of-life care is given a higher profile in the reform package, the outcome of which will be more dignified and less devastating impacts on patients and families alike. End-of-life care counseling has been a part of US healthcare — again for decades — and the right’s attempt to cast it as something radical and scary really only shows one thing: leading rightwing powers and pundits consider their fans to be easily fooled. Maybe they’re right.

I’ve considered your “controversial items.” They’re bullshit and the controversy completely synthetic — manufactured by those who stand to lose in the pocketbook if a rational health care funding system should ever be developed.

It took Hercules (a demigod and not a mere man) quite a long time to clean out the Augean Stables. Bush left a *lot* of shit around. It’ll take a river (and some time) to clean it all up. To think that a wrecked economy and a shuddering world banking system can be patched up in just three years is childish.

Do you remember when the sensible people around you were saying “we’ll be paying the costs of this Iraq invasion for decades”? Square that number and you’ll come close to the other costs that can be laid at Georgie’s feet. Many of the bills are already due.

Yep, it’s going to take awhile. 

Apparently you do not have the ability to read the bill. Sending Grandma to the death home is not just rhetoric. It is in the bill and your blind lack of understanding will not change what is in the bill. Read the dam bill. You are a lemming and can not see what is before you. Read the bill. There is not a public official quoted. No one in his right mind would approve of the feature I bought up in the bill except a liberal with a vested interest. Read the bill.

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You want the government to run you life that is your business. I am sorry that you are incapable of managing your own bank account and fell it is ok for the government to waltz in and spy on your spending. I do not live that way, I am capable of managing  my own affairs. You insults me shows how correct I am. Do you have the ability to read the bill, if so then lets discuss he parts that you disagree with when you are informed. You tell me where I  am wrong. Do not come on here like an uneducated liberal hick and insult people that have a different opinion.
This will open up a new business for me. I will assist other capable of setting up bank accounts in a free country where the government can not seize assets. Being a liberal does not give you the right to insult others. You sound like a hate monger and a liberal Hick.
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Chump is as chump does. Sorry, but that’s the way it works.

Also, you seem startled and a little put off that your vile posts — which blanketly condemn whole swathes of the US population as murderers — would attract scorn and contempt from those you attempt to demonize.

If you don’t insult people with your fantastic lies, then the level of insult directed at you will go down. I’m surprised your mommy never taught you that.

I don’t believe any other Republican candidate in my opinion, will be any better than these.  Reason: It seems that the vast majority of Republicans are conservative right wingers who believe in restricting woman’s rights, gay rights and the rights, especially of voting for people with disabilities, many senior citizens, minorities, especially Black and Hispanics, ie insisting on photo IDs to vote.  Many of these populations don’t own such ID.  And the non driver’s license many can’t obtain unless  they already posses  some photo ID.  Plus the justification is keeping illegals from voting and preventing voter fraud.  Well voter fraud is extremely rare. Source. www. commoncause.org. Besides if an illegal alien shows up with any ID their status will be known.

Absolutely, Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich.

A new candidate? No way!  Romney’s going to sweep the Casserole Belt!
http://brettcottrell.blogspot.com/2011/11/five-things-you-didnt-know-about-mitt.html

Because once an avalanche starts, stopping it is much harder?

The facts are the facts and you attempting to demonize me will not change that fact. Read the bill. Don;t listen to someone else tell you what in the bill. Cancer treatment will be given to the younger it in the bill. My post are not vile you people that want read and spew hate post vile post. You want to argue that treatment will not be ration and the elder will not suffer. You can not dispute the fact so you attack the messenger. The commission a fifteen man committee is establish to decide who will and will not get treatment. If a person is deemed not worth saving they will not get treatment. Check the bill It is a horrible bill.

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Maybe you will graduate from a chump by reading rather than following Pelosi and Obama talking points. The items are in the bill. I admit I could have just reported them as the committee will decide who get treatments and who is going to pay attention The point is to get people to read the bill. If  it ok with you for a  government employee to decide if you are you family member is going to treated or not, we are of a different stock. I do not need the government to decide for me.
And the old will be sent off to die because they are not wroth the investment.  I be less colorful when people start reading and researching.

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You’re simply wrong.
And the power to make electronic transfers from your bank account?
Everyone from phone companies to porn sites can do that.
And this crap about death panels and rationing life to those deemed more important–debunked so many times and so completely by now that I feel like I’m reading an old post from 3 years ago.

*eye roll*
*face palm*

Even though that is a falsehood, even if they DIDN’T have any conservatives being paid for their opinions is because the conservative opinions we see here are not worth being compensated for. 

Republicans seem to have trouble reading anything.

What denial! And what ever you don’t understand must somehow be a lie or dumb. 
Physician, heal thy own idiocy.

Did you read the bill yourself or just blather away ignorantly about it?

Don’t bother answering. I know exactly where you got your citations and they are entirely fraudulent (as is most of the criticism of the bill floating around in the wingnut fever swamp). Your source? Yahoo Answers: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100319114929AAVN22r

I, on the other hand, did read the bill, and NOT ONE CITATION that you made reflects what the bill actually says.

Not one.

Your post is a series of lies and random quotes. In my previous response I listed what these sections you cited actually do. Their provisions are unexceptional and reasonable. I’m not shocked that you didn’t read it.

Is it any wonder that you and those like you attract the scorn of sensible people? You don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re spreading slanders, and you’re accusing people who have done the research of gullibility or disingenuousness.

You are truly a piece of work.

This website has one of the worst comment boards ever. Wouldn’t want to sit beside most of you on a barstool, however you might be a little more civil if you actually had a conversation with a human being.
Whatever…

If you don’t think that political comedy is the most effective and profound way to represent politics in America today, then you haven’t been paying attention.

Nonsense and making the same charges will not change the issue. Do you dispute that Cancer treatment will be rationed? Do you dispute the fact that a Health care commissioner will decide you coverage. Do you dispute the bill sets up a fifteen man commission to determine who will be treated and who will not be treated. Do you dispute that treatment will be based on youth first. Stop posting nonsense and answer the questions. Do you work for the DNC.? I did not refer to that source. I will now read it. For you to avoid answering the issues shows I am right. I do have a question for you that I was not aware of you stated that the government can already go into a bank account monitor and withdraw funds. What bill gave them this authority. I would assume from the IRS ability to seize  property? Now we can hurl insults are we can communicate. You think the law is ok as written. I see death panels, you see them as a way to heaven. The bill needs to be improved or repealed.

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My approach to the problems with this bill is probably a wee bit over dramatic in wording, It has to be to get the attention of the lemming to pay attention to what is  in the bill. In the Netherlands they put down a mentally retards saying that she probably did not want to live. They have now decided to make the decision for the patience. This is on the news. Check it out.

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I am not wrong. Read the bill. The tools are in place. It has not been debunked. It has not been forgotten. They do not have the right to take over and monitor your  bank account. This bill gives the government far reaching powers.

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The Republicans can’t draft Paterno, he is a Democrat.

Re your response below. Yes, everything you say about the bill is wrong. You’ve either made those things up or (more likely) have been reading a know-nothing screed by some other goofus, which you have swallowed hook, line, and sinker.

You appear able to read. I’d recommend reading the bill (you gave *me* the link!). You can use the crib sheet from Yahoo Answers to check out the actual language, at which time you will discover that none of the dire things you have ascribed to the bill actually appear there.

Please do that before you roll out another contrafactual mishmash of ignorance, resentment, and bile.

As you attack the messenger and do not answer the question. I see you have not read the bill up till now.

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Per your response below, take 2.

You are no messenger. Messengers carry messages, information. What you carry is utterly fraudulent. The things you objected to DO NOT APPEAR IN THE BILL.

Do I attack ignorant liars who pretend to be speaking the truth? Yes, I do. And will continue to do so.

And you might have missed it, but I have answered all of your questions, because you’ve only asked one: “Why are you not appalled at all the evil provisions in this bill?” And my answer remains the same: “I am not appalled because none of those things are true.”

But don’t get me wrong: I am appalled. I’m appalled at the profound ignorance exhibited by people like you. And because there’s a small chance that some uninformed person might mistake you for someone who knows the difference between shit and shinola, which could lead that person to make poor choices.

However, as you are apparently ineducable and able to hear nothing but the noises in your head, I’m going to close this conversation.

Your profound ignorant has just been displayed by the post. I shall continue to point out what is in the bill. I will post the actual bill and let you comment from knowledge not your lies and spin. You can not win in 2012 the kill bill will be out the door.

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