Dr. King would be absolutely appalled at the “Reverend” Al Sharptons decades long charade in the name of “civil rights”. I also doubt seriously Dr. King would have any problem with “Tea Party” participants or rallys. There is no racial component to the Tea Party, it’s about government not responding to the citizenry.

MSNBC the show about Fox News.

Dr.King would be a tea-partier..have no doubt. If he wasn’t killed by that white racist southern democrat asshole, he would probably be at Glenns rally..not Al’s. I bet you some blacks, and college punks, and un-washed hippy types (the democrat base) will be there to attack and harass the always peacefull tea party folks. If they do I hope they get beaten down..the liberty tree needs watering.

What I think is great is that people are practicing their 1st Amendment right of free speech and assembly. Good for Sharpton and good for Beck.

I love how people attack the Tea-Party movement, as if there is something wrong with holding the government accountable and urging fiscal responsibility of our tax dollars.

Rev. Al, I think race-baiters like you are the antithesis of his “I have a dream” speech.

Moderate said:
MSNBC the show about Fox News.

I wish there were a way for me to give you a slew of “thumbs Up” here.

You said it all!!!!!

Martin Luther King Jr. said in Frogmore SC on November 14, 1966, “There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.” In regard to reparations and affirmative action King said in his book Why We Can’t Wait, “The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law.” Sorry folks, MLK was in favor of big government taking active measures to improve the situation of blacks. If he were around today he would not only have nothing to do with the Tea Party movement, but would undoubtedly be vilified as an anti-American/communist by the movement.

MLK was a commie.

@notsofast: Apparently he’s been reinvented or reimagined to help bolster someone else’s agenda.

Fair point Ben. The sad reality of such programs is that they really do not help people, regardless of race. The create a segment of society that grows and grows dependent on government. It takes their drive and motivation away. It creates an entitlement mentality. However, if you want to create a block of voters that will consistently vote for a party that promises “free things” well government programs are just dandy.

But the difference between MLK and Sharpton is that MLK wanted people to be equal and Sharpton wants them to be the same. Big difference.

I will clarify that my agreeing to the “commie” label regarding Dr. King wasn’t meant as anything derogatory, but there were traces of the philosophy in a lot of his rhetoric and his tendencies was the justification that G. Edgar Hoover used to keep him and many of his followers under surveillance for all those years.

I mean, sure, calling him a “commie” is as simplistic as Beck trying to co-opt his image, but it’s also somewhat accurate. After all, Dr. King was in Memphis to support a striking union and his final speech did call for an economic boycott of the city.

Whoops! * J. Edgar Hoover * (ability to edit, please)

I think it’s funny that the left is so up in arms about this event. According to Glenn, it will be a completely, non-partisan event aimed at restoring honor to Washington.

Event Description:

Throughout history America has seen many great leaders and noteworthy citizens change her course. It is through their personal virtues and by their example that we are able to live as a free people. On August 28, come celebrate America by honoring our heroes, our heritage and our future.

Join the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and many more for this non-political event that pays tribute to America’s service personnel and other upstanding citizens who embody our nation’s founding principles of integrity, truth and honor.

Our freedom is possible only if we remain virtuous. Help us restore the values that founded this great nation. On August, 28th, come join us in our pledge to restore honor at the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC.

So basically, the left is saying Washington is just fine and doesn’t need to change. I don’t think that’s in line with what American’s think, but that doesn’t usually seem to matter to the left. They are going to be pretty embarrassed when the event happens and it’s not the giant, I hate Obama, tea-bagger event that they are trying to say it it. I’m sure the Mediaite and the other leftist media will be there to point out how wrong they were, right Frances?

I don’t know anyone who thinks Washington is just AOK.

If it wasn’t for the fact that pretty much everything MLK stood for (e.g. social justice, social equality, a more fair distribution of wealth, rights for minorities, etc.) is being ridiculed by Beck, perhaps all this criticism of Sharpton would ring more true. Beck calls the first African American president a racist, a Marxist, and whatever else turns on his listeners and there is no doubt that if King was alive today Beck would be vilifying him too, as he does Obama.

Does Olbermann, Press or Sharpton have any idea what the rally is about? Apparently not. Which is not surprising, given that Beck has said very little about the agenda, and that what he has said is that it will focus on restoring honor, a concept quite alien to these gentlemen. Little wonder they hate it.

Michelle says: “So basically, the left is saying Washington is just fine and doesn’t need to change. I don’t think that’s in line with what American’s think, but that doesn’t usually seem to matter to the left.”

Yes, change is needed but the Republicans oppose every attempt at change, blocking reform in every quarter. That is reality.

If it wasn’t for the fact that pretty much everything MLK stood for (e.g. social justice, social equality, a more fair distribution of wealth, rights for minorities, etc.) is being ridiculed by Beck,

Beck has ridiculed equality and minority rights when, exactly? Quote?

Ben Snyder said:
Sorry folks, MLK was in favor of big government taking active measures to improve the situation of blacks. If he were around today he would not only have nothing to do with the Tea Party movement, but would undoubtedly be vilified as an anti-American/communist by the movement.

Dr. King didn’t have the benefit of 45 years of hindsight. He’d be aghast at the state of the Black community today after these many years under the tender mercies of the Progressive nanny state.

valkyrie101 wrote:
“a more fair distribution of wealth”

That is just code for taking from one individual via threat of force and giving it to another. I don’t care who said it, it’s wrong.

I seriously doubt dr king would be a direct supporter of the tea party, but i wouldnt think it would conflict with his ideaology either….comparing dr king with sharpton is a joke. I ve always thought this especially the last 10 years, there have got to be better leaders and role models in the black community than sharpton, farakhan, jackson, and vann jones types,..not because they re ultra liberal or swing to the left, but because they are these ultra fear,hate and race mongers, not to mention having the worse case of miopia when it comes to race and politics. But there fox and msnbc are, giving the guy plenty of air time……brutal

Val..you just compared King to obowma? You’re sick. Seek help. And remember..Dr.King was a republican, eat that. And barry is less than half black..and barely an American. Wipe that Kool-Aide off your chin..

Can someone please direct me to the part of the US Constitution where it says you have the right to equal outcome/ equal results. Ya know I just can’t find it.

Yes, change is needed but the Republicans oppose every attempt at change, blocking reform in every quarter. That is reality.

2 things, first, I’m glad they are trying to block things like gov’t run HC, amnesty, hugh budgets. Second, stop with the lie that the R’s are obstructing Obama. You know as well as I do that the R’s CAN’T stop anything if all the D’s are on board. That’s you’re problem, they are NOT.

LB, the left doesn’t concern themselves with insignificant matters like the constitution.

I can’t help but wonder if Sharpton has even read King’s I Have A Dream speech. How one could assume that it is the antithesis of the Tea Party is beyond me. It’s sort of like saying that apple pie is the antithesis of potato salad. The one thing that both focus on is freedom, and they’re on the same side of the question.

I wonder if those who are calling Sharpton a race-baiter realize that the same things were said about the “upstart troublemaker” Dr. King who was “destroying the foundation of our country or “the most dangerous man alive” Malcolm X. Furthermore, the tea party would reject King for one main reason; he held socialist views. in his last book, Where do we go from here; chaos or community, Dr. King made a call for a guaranteed income and also spoke of a vast redistribution of economic and political wealth. He also did so in speeches as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srJu_4LqCrk
So, Mr. Sharpton is actually right to a degree. Antithesis? That’s a far stretch. Not quite consistent with? Definitely. So, those who say Dr. King would sympathize or be a member of are actually wrong by a far cry.

me1ranger said:
Val..you just compared King to obowma? You’re sick. Seek help. And remember..Dr.King was a republican, eat that. And barry is less than half black..and barely an American. Wipe that Kool-Aide off your chin..

Republican but not conservative, don’t get your meanings confused. King was a Republican in the same vein as Lincoln, not the modern Reagan Republican.

Race hustler Sharpton has two speaking tones : Bellowing and Really Bellowing .

MichelleF said:
LB, the left doesn’t concern themselves with insignificant matters like the constitution.

I’ve noticed that. Although to be fair, Republicans have ignored it from time to time as well.

Ben Snyder said:
Martin Luther King Jr. said in Frogmore SC on November 14, 1966, “There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.” In regard to reparations and affirmative action King said in his book Why We Can’t Wait, “The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law.” Sorry folks, MLK was in favor of big government taking active measures to improve the situation of blacks. If he were around today he would not only have nothing to do with the Tea Party movement, but would undoubtedly be vilified as an anti-American/communist by the movement.

Whoa, looks like somebody beat me to it. Thank you, Ben.

Pablo said:
I can’t help but wonder if Sharpton has even read King’s I Have A Dream speech. How one could assume that it is the antithesis of the Tea Party is beyond me. It’s sort of like saying that apple pie is the antithesis of potato salad. The one thing that both focus on is freedom, and they’re on the same side of the question.

If you watch the video, Sharpton clearly lays out why he thinks the Tea Party movement is antithetical to not only Dr. King’s speech but his life’s work, the most prominent reason being that Dr. King and his supporters were asking for government intervention to help socioeconomic impact that local and state government-sponsored racism had on minorities. That alone is enough evidence that MLK’s vehicle for change in government is completely opposed to that of the Tea Party’s.

TRL:
“I wonder if those who are calling Sharpton a race-baiter realize that the same things were said about the “upstart troublemaker” Dr. King who was “destroying the foundation of our country or “the most dangerous man alive” Malcolm X.”

I know you are not comparing Sharpton to Dr. King. I’m not saying you are, but you might want to clarify.

…and again, Beck has said that he wasn’t aware of the significance of the date when he planned his rally. So any attempt to tie the speech to the upcoming event is mostly him and his followers grasping at opportunistic straws.

PS) MichelleF: It seems to me that MSNBC and the blogs are giving the event a tremendous amount of publicity. Perhaps many are arguing against its appropriateness, but that’s only creating controversy which should help motivate additional people to attend.

Moderate says:
MSNBC the show about Fox News

Mediaite: the blog about MSNBC shows about Fox News

…that and kissing Obama’s ass

Remember how Jessy Jackass wiped Dr. Kings blood on himself, then went before the cameras to talk about it? That’s the type of scum that have been “leading” the black community down the dark path of mediocrity..Sharpton is just a dumbed down version of the same. And one thing is for certain..King would be supportive of the tea-partiers right to demonstrate, unlike these pissants on the left that try to denegrate them..out of fear and hatred.

Liberty Banned said:
TRL:
“I wonder if those who are calling Sharpton a race-baiter realize that the same things were said about the “upstart troublemaker” Dr. King who was “destroying the foundation of our country or “the most dangerous man alive” Malcolm X.”

I know you are not comparing Sharpton to Dr. King. I’m not saying you are, but you might want to clarify.

I’m not comparing them. All I’m saying is that the rhetoric is the same. We now look back on Dr. King as great man as he was considered by many of his contemporaries, but during the time, amongst the majority of his opponents, he was considered to be divisive. The same can be shared for Sharpton. Among the black community, he is seen as a leader, among others not so much. It seems that there is a constant thing that people that the black community views as leaders are always (during their time) considered to be “dividing America” or “destroying America” by challenging the status quo no matter how they go about it and it seems to be a double standard.

Looks like telling the truth earns you bad ratings here lol

It is really funny how uneducated Glenn Beck really is. It is also really sad how uneducated the people that follow him are.

The fact that King and other CR leaders supported government intervention to stop other government sponsored oppression is not counter to conservative/ libertarian views. The violation of individual rights, via government state/federal, is completely wrong. The bill of rights, and the Amendments to the US Constitution require that the government stop other portions of the government from oppressing various individuals.

The founding fathers knew that governments are inherently oppressive. The fact that the federal government stepped into to stop state government from oppressing individuals is irrelevant. Just years before that, and years to come, it is and was the feds that were oppressing people. The draft, internment of Japanese, canceling of habeas corpus, murdering of indians….

I’m sorry but the states do not have a monopoly on oppression.

And RL..quit telling me that which I already know. You like to split hairs..King being a republican is crutial to any discussion of him. Put it this way..he wasn’t a democrat, make you feel better? People like you need to have it said to you as often as it takes to keep you from your history re-writing. Ask some recent college grad which party he was affiliated with, and quess what they say? Then you do the same with Lincoln..you’re in the nile..(denial)

me1ranger said:
Remember how Jessy Jackass wiped Dr. Kings blood on himself, then went before the cameras to talk about it? That’s the type of scum that have been “leading” the black community down the dark path of mediocrity..Sharpton is just a dumbed down version of the same. And one thing is for certain..King would be supportive of the tea-partiers right to demonstrate, unlike these pissants on the left that try to denegrate them..out of fear and hatred.

You typed ” Dr.King would be a tea-partier..have no doubt.” which is wrong and completely different from what you’re saying now first off. And really? The way that i remember it is that he was there and got splattered by blood. The fact that he appeared the next day with the same shirt makes him scum? I thought you guys were all about making the media report on things they didn’t want to report on?

blurgh. said:
If you watch the video, Sharpton clearly lays out why he thinks the Tea Party movement is antithetical to not only Dr. King’s speech but his life’s work, the most prominent reason being that Dr. King and his supporters were asking for government intervention to help socioeconomic impact that local and state government-sponsored racism had on minorities. That alone is enough evidence that MLK’s vehicle for change in government is completely opposed to that of the Tea Party’s.

Instead of repeating what I said, since you apparently didn’t grasp it, I think I’ll just repost the headline with some strategically placed bolding: Al Sharpton: ‘I Have A Dream’ Speech Is The ‘Exact Antithesis’ Of Tea Party Movement

More Sharpton fun: “The march was 47 years ago, so people who are middle age and younger would not understand what it was about if we did not do our rally that we do every year.”

HE’S MINE, DAMMIT!!!

me1ranger said:
And RL..quit telling me that which I already know. You like to split hairs..King being a republican is crutial to any discussion of him. Put it this way..he wasn’t a democrat, make you feel better? People like you need to have it said to you as often as it takes to keep you from your history re-writing. Ask some recent college grad which party he was affiliated with, and quess what they say? Then you do the same with Lincoln..you’re in the nile..(denial)

Please tell me how I’m re-writing history, I would love to hear it. I didn’t say he wasn’t a Republican. Was he the same kind as you? No. King didn’t worry about partisanship. He voiced support for Nixon as well as Kennedy at separate points, and met with President Johnson a number of times. I simply gave you the man’s own words from video and his own books which are liberal, not conservative. I’ve re-written nothing, you have.

Sharpton is nothing like Dr. King. King would never have pulled the BS that Sharpton pulled during the horrible Tawana Brawely case. He’s a proven lier.

You typed ” Dr.King would be a tea-partier..have no doubt.”
That was just to get the party started..you like that? I predict Beck will get a real black leader to say a few words at his rally..maybe even one of Kings kids. Would that make your head explode? If it does..could you film it and put it on youtube for us? Thanks..

Sharpton is to King as Olbermann is to E.R. Murrow. A really bad rip off.

me1ranger said:
I predict Beck will get a real black leader to say a few words at his rally..maybe even one of Kings kids. ..

Yeah since Glenn Beck is SUCH a hero in the black community.

I’m sitting here talking to you..that must make me the same type of republican that he was.

Liberty Banned said:
Sharpton is nothing like Dr. King. King would never have pulled the BS that Sharpton pulled during the horrible Tawana Brawely case. He’s a proven lier.

Well, for starters Sharpton is a lawyer, his job is to put forth and defend the story his clients give him. You may not sympathize with it, but at the end of the day that is your job. If you’re going after somebody for doing their job then you’re no better than Liz Cheney for calling lawyers the Al-Qaeda 9. As I said before though, I’m not comparing Sharpton to Dr. King, only the rhetoric for the position that they hold as leaders. That’s also not quite true. Some of Sharpton’s tactics were actually used by King. I take you to the coalition between the SCLC and CCCO. The two formed a coalition to investigate racial steering which led to racial steering being banned in the US. Their tactics were secretive, the seller didn’t know that they prospective buyers weren’t actually interested.

To be fair Ination, Beck has spent considerable amount of time praising various black leaders. Most of the black community won’t dare stray from the DNC plantation. if they step one foot out of that party they will be attacked. Just look at Ms. Rice, Clearance Thomas, Mr. Watts and Gen Powell. I’d be nervous to have an opinion that was counter to the DNC platform if i was black.

King said to notice character, not color. Sharpton is all about noticing color.

me1ranger said:
You typed ” Dr.King would be a tea-partier..have no doubt.”
That was just to get the party started..you like that? I predict Beck will get a real black leader to say a few words at his rally..maybe even one of Kings kids. Would that make your head explode? If it does..could you film it and put it on youtube for us? Thanks..

Maybe he’ll have MLK the 3rd, the current head of the SCLC who unanimously supported Barack Obama for president and spoke for him at the DNC in August 08? You know him, he said his father would “be proud of Barack Obama, proud of the party that nominated him, and proud of the America that will elect him.”

The_Reasonable_Lib says:

The way that i remember it is that he was there and got splattered by blood.”

Then you have a poor memory or are lying again:

“King’s wound produced a huge amount of blood and after the ambulance took away his body all that was left a huge pool of King’s blood. Ralph Abernathy in a state of shock grabbed a jar and started scraping up the blood, crying how it was King’s blood and precious, “This blood was shed for us.”

Jesse Jackson also still in shock had by this time made his way to the balcony from where he was hiding down by the pool. Andrew Young remembers seeing Jackson dip his hands in the huge pool of blood and after raising them to the sky wiped them on his shirt, “people freaked out and did strange things … it was_ it was_ I mean, what do you do in a moment like that”? “

Maybe, he will have Jesse Jackson to speak who said this about BHO:

“See, Barack’s been talking down to black people … I want to cut his nuts off.” Jesse Jackson

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Well, for starters Sharpton is a lawyer, his job is to put forth and defend the story his clients give him. You may not sympathize with it, but at the end of the day that is your job. If you’re going after somebody for doing their job then you’re no better than Liz Cheney for calling lawyers the Al-Qaeda 9. As I said before though, I’m not comparing Sharpton to Dr. King, only the rhetoric for the position that they hold as leaders. That’s also not quite true. Some of Sharpton’s tactics were actually used by King. I take you to the coalition between the SCLC and CCCO. The two formed a coalition to investigate racial steering which led to racial steering being banned in the US. Their tactics were secretive, the seller didn’t know that they prospective buyers weren’t actually interested.

Stop trying to divert, distract and distort my point. Sharpton’s own assistant and aid came out to inform the public that the defense was nothing but lies. He’s a race baiter. Oh and of course some of the tactics are the same.

Liberty Banned said:
To be fair Ination, Beck has spent considerable amount of time praising various black leaders. Most of the black community won’t dare stray from the DNC plantation. if they step one foot out of that party they will be attacked. Just look at Ms. Rice, Clearance Thomas, Mr. Watts and Gen Powell. I’d be nervous to have an opinion that was counter to the DNC platform if i was black.

Idk who you’ve been talking to, but I myself and those I know love Colin Powell. Why? Integrity. Powell made a commitment to the administration and stuck through even though he didn’t agree with certain decisions but when it became too much for him, rather than compromise the group, he left. Who don’t we like? People like Alan Keyes and Larry Elder. Why? They continue to b*tch and moan about the state of the black community but do nothing to help. I’m sure that Bill Cosby agrees with their views. Difference between them? Bill Cosby does things. Bill Cosby mentors young black children. He’s a self-made man who demonstrated to african americans that there is another level which you can aspire to. It’s not about party, it’s about what you do.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:

Well, for starters Sharpton is a lawyer, his job is to put forth and defend the story his clients give him.”

A lawyer???

LMAO!

He didn’t even graduate from college!

BTW, people, TRL, believes if you didn’t graduate from college, any success you have is due to luck, so I guess Al is “lucky.”

PS) MichelleF: It seems to me that MSNBC and the blogs are giving the event a tremendous amount of publicity. Perhaps many are arguing against its appropriateness, but that’s only creating controversy which should help motivate additional people to attend.

Please explain to me what is inappropriate about it? Because it happens to fall on the same day that MLK gave his speech. If that’s it, that’s ridiculous. No one owns the rights to that day. I think it will be interesting to see all of the protests, which you know will happen. The left will be protesting change in WA and Frances will be there to point out how stupid they look, right Fran?

I hope you noticed my attempt at limited cursing today LB..even though the Lib makes it difficult. Thanks for proving my point Notso..I said he wiped it on himself yet our little re-writer speaks without thinking as a habit. I would add a few expletives here..but I’m on my best behavior today. Going boating..by ya’ll.

Liberty Banned said:
Stop trying to divert, distract and distort my point. Sharpton’s own assistant and aid came out to inform the public that the defense was nothing but lies. He’s a race baiter. Oh and of course some of the tactics are the same.

Please tell me how I do so. So just to be clear, the ASSISTANT said it, not Sharpton himself, correct?
Do you see what I mean? When somebody says that race may be a factor in something you automatically paint them as a race baiter. Dr. King investigated to see if race was a factor in housing. It’s the same thing. Yet you instantly decry this man as a race-baiter.

To really protest against Beck, they could bring clubs… like those Black Panthers did to intimidate voters. DOJ and Holder have been saying they’re not going to prosecute things like that.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Please tell me how I do so. So just to be clear, the ASSISTANT said it, not Sharpton himself, correct?
Do you see what I mean? When somebody says that race may be a factor in something you automatically paint them as a race baiter. Dr. King investigated to see if race was a factor in housing. It’s the same thing. Yet you instantly decry this man as a race-baiter.

He is a race baiter. Race has everything to do with his actions. Come on TRL, you’re smarter than that.

notsofast said:
The_Reasonable_Lib said:

Well, for starters Sharpton is a lawyer, his job is to put forth and defend the story his clients give him.”

A lawyer???

LMAO!

He didn’t even graduate from college!

I was waiting for someone to pick up on that.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Well, for starters Sharpton is a lawyer, his job is to put forth and defend the story his clients give him. You may not sympathize with it, but at the end of the day that is your job.

Hey, that’s a great point. Except for the fact that Sharpton isn’t a lawyer. A liar, yes. A lawyer, no.

TRL is an Obama shill and a congenital LIAR!

Pablo said:
Beck has ridiculed equality and minority rights when, exactly? Quote?

Hey pablo, if your conscience is bothering you about Beck, just go to media matters and search beck, Obama, racist, marxist, fascist, Hitler, or whatever, and you will find all the quotes and videos of Beck you seek. Show caution, such a venture may cause “Beck dissillusionment syndrone”.

Pablo said:
Beck has ridiculed equality and minority rights when, exactly? Quote?

Hey pablo, if your conscience is bothering you about Beck, just go to media matters and search beck, Obama, racist, marxist, fascist, Hitler, or whatever,”

In other words, you don’t have one quote from Beck ridiculing equality and minority rights .

I didn’t think ya did!

Liberty Banned said:
valkyrie101 wrote:“a more fair distribution of wealth” That is just code for taking from one individual via threat of force and giving it to another. I don’t care who said it, it’s wrong.

Threat of force? What are you talking about? Political power, including government regulation of unfair business practices, does not flow from the barrel of a gun, if flows from a majority of the people bringing about change through the ballot box. The number of progressive people is growing and the number of conservatives is gradually decreasing. And the way the Republicans have been alienating groups of people, the party may not even be competitive in 2012.

And the way the Republicans have been alienating groups of people, the party may not even be competitive in 2012.

Wow you really are delusional. I used to think it was just an act.

valkyrie101 said:
Threat of force? What are you talking about? Political power, including government regulation of unfair business practices, does not flow from the barrel of a gun, if flows from a majority of the people bringing about change through the ballot box. The number of progressive people is growing and the number of conservatives is gradually decreasing. And the way the Republicans have been alienating groups of people, the party may not even be competitive in 2012.

Sorry my friend but redistribution comes at the barrel of a gun/ force of imprisonment. Try not paying your taxes. And if you don’t believe that our current tax system is redistribution of wealth then you need to look at the percentage of workers that don’t pay any federal income tax. 48% of American workers don’t pay federal income taxes. Sorry V but that is simply just redistribution of wealth.

valkyrie101 said:
Hey pablo, if your conscience is bothering you about Beck, just go to media matters and search beck, Obama, racist, marxist, fascist, Hitler, or whatever, and you will find all the quotes and videos of Beck you seek. Show caution, such a venture may cause “Beck dissillusionment syndrone”.

So, no quotes then? My conscience is fine. How does yours handle your lying about people?

Hey, Valk, I just heard Bill Clinton rewrite history at Byrd’s funeral. He said Byrd had a “fleeting” association with the ” Klu [sic] Klux Klan.”

A “fleeting” association? He was a recruiter for the KKK!

Oh, and I’ll head over to Media Matters to find out what Beck has said right after I go to World News Daily to find out where Obama was born.

Seriously, do you read that nonsense as though it has any sort of credibility?

Michelle,
Conservatives tend to be an older, and thus, are gradually dying out, while the younger people are for the most part going the way of the secular model that they see on TV and in popular culture, and are more liberal. Specifically I was talking about the fastest growing minority group, Hispanics, who regularly get kicked around by the conservatives, together with African Americans, gays, woman who cherish dominion over their own bodies, and freedom loving people who object to the weed laws, to name a few examples. When the progressive movement matures within just a few years it will make the changes that history requires.

BECK gives us HOPE for CHANGE!

val, progressives tend to grow up. The progressive movement is a hundred years old, you know.

Liberty Banned said:
I don’t know anyone who thinks Washington is just AOK.

That’s because Republicans and Tea Partiers have contaminated the area.

Al Sharpton is large part charlatan — but on this issue, proving the blind squirrel occasionally finds an acorn, he’s dead on correct.

Conservatives tend to be an older, and thus, are gradually dying out

Val you are absolutely, 100% wrong! Conservatives are the most identified group, followed by Independents and bringing up the rear is libs. I know that’s hard for you to swallow, but sometimes facts are for libs.

Conservatives maintained and built on their numerical advantage over liberals in the first half of 2010, a new Gallup poll finds.

According to the poll, 42 percent of respondents described themselves as either very conservative or conservative, up from 40 percent in 2009. Meanwhile, only 20 percent called themselves either very liberal or liberal, down from 21 percent last year. 35 percent of respondents described themselves as moderate, down from 36 percent in 2009.

The latest figures mark a continuing rise of conservatism over the past two years. In a similar 2008 poll, only 37 percent of respondents defined themselves as conservative, the bottom of a four year decline that begin in 2004.

Gallup reports that if the conservative identities figures hold steady or grow in the second half of 2010, “it would represent the highest annual percentage identifying as conservative in Gallup’s history of measuring ideology with this wording, dating to 1992.”

The polls results are based on the combined findings of eight separate Gallup and USA Today/Gallup surveys conducted in the first half of 2010. The margin of error is 2 percent.

Al Sharpton is merely nothing more than a “Poverty Pimp”. By keeping blacks, whites, latinos poor he will always have a job preaching that entitlements are the way to go and big government is always correct. Problem, these same people become slaves themselves to the very government they get their entitlement checks from and can never get ahead in life. Sooner or later the money they get from “other people” usually runs out!

Here is another exmple of entitlements that did NOT work: You won’t see Fat Al harping on this one because it is Democrats who are in charge of Big Government “at the moment”.

http://sroblog.com/2010/07/02/fiorina-declares-stimulus-program-a-failure-washington-examiner/

I am pretty sure that the past election where a majority of people voted for a progressive man who’s middle name was “Hussein” against a war hero and a beauty queen, and where a decisive majority of more liberal democrats held control of both houses of Congress, is more indicative of reality than whatever polls you want to site. And then there is the problem of tea party conservatives alienating moderates, like Charley Crist, and potentially setting up a split vote of the Republican base. Was that calculated in the poll?

Grammie said:
I wish there were a way for me to give you a slew of “thumbs Up” here.

No…Each Foxsucker only gets one thumb. Sorry.

Exactly the spin I would expect from you. The polls in fact prove that since BO and the looney left have taken over, it’s created more conservatives and moderates. Now you may not like that, but those are the facts. But feel free to continue to spin it to make yourself feel better.

valkyrie101 said:
I am pretty sure that the past election where a majority of people voted for a progressive man who’s middle name was “Hussein” against a war hero and a beauty queen, and where a decisive majority of more liberal democrats held control of both houses of Congress, is more indicative of reality than whatever polls you want to site.

It’s indicative of the last election which, after all, was a poll. And there’s another coming up that is going to be a referendum on Obama’s actual leadership, as opposed to his promises. All indications are that it will be a very bad November for Democrats.

MichelleF said:
Please explain to me what is inappropriate about it? Because it happens to fall on the same day that MLK gave his speech. If that’s it, that’s ridiculous.

The inappropriateness of it is because Beck says he is going to reclaim the dream on that day. MLK’s dream of calling the first Black president and Hispanic Supreme Court Justice racists. lol

Michelle,
You take those polls seriously? They are too fickle to rely on.

Pablo said:
Instead of repeating what I said, since you apparently didn’t grasp it, I think I’ll just repost the headline with some strategically placed bolding: Al Sharpton: ‘I Have A Dream’ Speech Is The ‘Exact Antithesis’ Of Tea Party Movement

I was merely trying to make sure you understood his point, since the apple pie and potato salad the two movements are not. If I must again…

The civil rights movement in America promoted intervention by the federal government so as to remedy social and economic issues that American citizens faced. The Tea Party movement protests federal intervention as fixes to social and economic issues that American citizens face. Concluding that sharing a ‘focus on freedom’ is enough to make your argument intellectually honest is pretty much the opposite. Both a group of service men and women and a group of pacifists desire peace, but one uses a completely different vehicle towards the shared end. I doubt very much that most people, though, would argue that members of the armed forces are not antithetical to pacifists.

Bonus round:

More Sharpton fun: “The march was 47 years ago, so people who are middle age and younger would not understand what it was about if we did not do our rally that we do every year.”

HE’S MINE, DAMMIT!!!

You’re pretty much pointing to the issue of who can or can’t identify with Dr. King. Barring your alleging that I again am utterly misreading you, Sharpton clearly stated that Dr. King’s experiences (and the civil rights movement) aren’t limited to any one race. The only one trying to repossess Dr. King’s significance in American life to drive a political and possibly financial point is Glenn Beck, and unabashedly so.

Does Sharpton sometimes monetize Dr. King’s legacy? I’m not saying that he does not. But Dr. King’s message was never limited to just overlooking our differences for the sake of equality, an argument which Beck and other Tea Party movement supporters make by manipulating his comments and character and color. Dr. King and the movement were trying to teach us to embrace our differences and treat each other well, not pretend we are all one color or that our differences mean nothing.

“I am pretty sure that the past election where a majority of people voted for a progressive man who’s middle name was “Hussein””

Every generation tries a Jimmie Carter and quickly learns that it was a mistake. When we are young, we want to try new and different things, we learn that we are living on the bleeding edge rather than on the leading edge. Fortunately most of us grow up and look back on the stupid things of our youth.

Well, we know that Beck doesn’t care about the political process and he clearly could not care less about reclaiming the civil rights movement; it’s just laughable, because to Beck, everything is a prop. Beck cares about only one thing and thats Glenn Beck. So, MLK, Wilson, FDR, Mao, Stalin, the Lincoln Memorial and the tea-party are nothing more than props to Beck; something to be manipulated as long as it promotes Glenn Beck. The minute he stops making money with his current shtick, he’ll morph into something else, like he did in Tampa. The man has no values but himself; I think most people call that a sociopath.

Moderate,
I am laughing at the notion that you have compared Obama to Carter.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
The inappropriateness of it is because Beck says he is going to reclaim the dream on that day.

He does? When? Quote?

valkyrie101 said:
Moderate,
I am laughing at the notion that you have compared Obama to Carter.

Hilarious, ain’t it?

blurgh. said:
The only one trying to repossess Dr. King’s significance in American life to drive a political and possibly financial point is Glenn Beck, and unabashedly so.

Uh, no. The 8/28 rally is not about Dr. King, and the date is a coincidence.

Does Sharpton sometimes monetize Dr. King’s legacy? I’m not saying that he does not. But Dr. King’s message was never limited to just overlooking our differences for the sake of equality, an argument which Beck and other Tea Party movement supporters make by manipulating his comments and character and color.

OK, now I’ll repeat what I wrote, which is a quote from Sharpton in the above video:

“The march was 47 years ago, so people who are middle age and younger would not understand what it was about if we did not do our rally that we do every year.”

Without Rev Al, there’s no Dr. King. So says Rev Al.

Pablo said:
He does? When? Quote?

Beck on 8-28 rally: “This is the moment where quite honesty we reclaim the civil rights movement”.

—May 26 radio program.

I think Beck is confusing reclaiming with repealing. lolol

Its amazing how so many of you question the messager instead of the message. If you watch the interview Sharpton said NOTHING about the differences in race and simply talked about the differences in theory. To believe that Dr. King was a conservative is just twisted logic. He may have been a Republican, but he was indeed a progressive. Which is what Glenn Beck is expressly “afraid” of. To think otherwise is either misinformation or ignorance. There was absolutely no race-baiting in the entire segment. If calling Glenn Beck an opportunist is race-baiting then go ahead and say it.

Way to KEEP the HATE ALIVE AL.

Only with hate between the races can the Black voters be kept in line
koolaid drunk & brainwashed in to voting 99% in one direction. Left.

Does Glen Beck having a couple of Black Conservative show threaten that hate?
Did you ever tell your flock,Rev. Al, that Blacks fought along our Founding Fathers…

The Daily Beck- America’s black founding fathers

The Glenn Beck Show- May 28, 2010- Tonight, the founders you’ve never heard talked about before: America’s black founding fathers. These men played a huge role in the founding of …
digg.com/politics/The_Daily_​Beck_America_s_ ​black_​founding_​fathers

http://watchglennbeck.com/video/2010/May/Glenn-Beck-Show-May-28-2010-Black-American-Founding-Fathers/

Founders’ Friday- Black American Founders
Glenn Beck Show- May 28, 2010
Beck Talks: Courage and Taxes

Founding Father’s Friday continues with the founders you’ve never heard talked about before: America’s
black founding fathers. That’s right, they weren’t all rich white guys who wanted slavery. These men
played a HUGE role in the founding of our country and the fight for independence. Why are these
amazing patriots being erased from our history books? It’s time to set the record straight. (NOTE: There
is a special after the show question and answer segment as the Video Of The Day below this program.)

^^^ All that proves is Beck knows how to hide his hateful and divisive rhetoric behind a minstrel show so that the racists who watch can fool themselves into thinking they are not the scum of the earth.

Beck is pretty smart and you guys are pretty dumb so it works out perfectly.

Free, free, free education. Everybody, send your kids to college to school for free in New Mexico…………………ah……..but only if you are an illegal !!!!!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/07/01/gov_richardson_admits_new_mexico_gives_licenses_college_scholarships_to_illegals.html

Liberty Banned said:
Sorry my friend but redistribution comes at the barrel of a gun/ force of imprisonment. Try not paying your taxes. And if you don’t believe that our current tax system is redistribution of wealth then you need to look at the percentage of workers that don’t pay any federal income tax. 48% of American workers don’t pay federal income taxes. Sorry V but that is simply just redistribution of wealth.

Here is a good statistic to reflect on: In terms of wealth, the top 1% of our population cumulatively owns more than the bottom 90% combined. And the bottom 40% of the population live on .1% of the wealth. If you look at that it is impossible to conclude that straight capitalism (that is, without significant progressive regulation) is an acceptable economic system for a nation of equals. That’s forty percent of the people who are dealt out while greater profits than at any time in history are being gathered by a small percentage of the population. Objectively speaking, unregulated capitalism, prone as it is to greed, does not, therefore, serve the purpose for which it was created.

I actually watched the show… I really don’t agree with alot of Beck’s logic. If you know anything about the times, he talked alot about Fredrick Douglass, who was born in 1818… 41 years after the nation’s founding. He did alot to help shape Antebellum America and had influence with President Lincoln, but at that time African Americans still were only 3/5′s people…

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^^^ All that proves is Beck knows how to hide his hateful and divisive rhetoric behind a minstrel show so that the racists who watch can fool themselves into thinking they are not the scum of the earth.

Beck is pretty smart and you guys are pretty dumb so it works out perfectly.

Wow! Umm.. yeaaaaa..That’s it….That’s the ticket..
:::head-shaking-eyes -rolling:::

That’ol dog don’t hunt no mo ..
try that crap on the lil minions at KosVille they still buy that BS

tiredofbs said:
That’ol dog don’t hunt no mo ..

All I’m saying is that if Hitler had a cable news show back in the 40′s he could have easily gotten a panel of fawning Jews for his special Friday night “Jews and the Third Reich” episode.

Basically BFD is completely right…

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Moderate,
I am laughing at the notion that you have compared Obama to Carter.”

You are correct! Carter was so much better than BHO!

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tiredofbs said:
That’ol dog don’t hunt no mo ..

All I’m saying is that if Hitler had a cable news show back in the 40’s he could have easily gotten a panel of fawning Jews for his special Friday night “Jews and the Third Reich” episode.”

Kind of like the fawning MSM and libs at an Obama speech, eh?

MSNBC’s Witt: ‘I Got Chills’ Listening To Obama Immigration Speech”

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Basically BFD is completely right…

Well that explains ALOT about you.

Yes notsofast, Obama already has a Nobel Prize.

I mean if you want me to spell it out… contrary to popular belief there are black people that think different on many different subjects. It’s actually very easy to find people that would side with Mr. Beck to help him get his point across, but that shouldn’t reflect the thoughts of a majority of black people. But like I said before, if you actually listen to the words coming out of Al Sharpton’s mouth, and if you’d like to, replace his face and have the exact same words come out of someone else’s mouth, he was very right about the whole situation. I really don’t think the media should give the whole thing as much press as it’s getting, it’s just adding fuel to the fire. And could you tell me what that means about me that I agreed with BFD on ONE point?

Talk about rewriting history:

“He once had a fleeting association with the Ku Klux Klan, what does that mean? I’ll tell you what it means. He was a country boy from the hills and hollows from West Virginia. He was trying to get elected,” former President Bill Clinton said of Sen. Robert Byrd.

ha. haha! Bawahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ,cough, cough, Bawahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Yes notsofast, Obama already has a Nobel Prize.”

IRRELEVANT!

notsofast said:
valkyrie101 says:July 2, 2010 at 3:48 pm valkyrie101(Quote)Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0 Yes notsofast, Obama already has a Nobel Prize.” IRRELEVANT!

Sometime it is hard to see genius in your own midst, but over in Europe and Asia, Obama is already a legend. Before his eight years are over, you will be sending your kids to Obama elementary school.

Liberty Banned said:
the percentage of workers that don’t pay any federal income tax. 48% of American workers don’t pay federal income taxes.

And a very high percentage of those get refunds (via tax credits) which means that the income tax is actually a source of net revenue for them.

Before his eight years are over

The delusions just keep on coming!

Grammie said:
And a very high percentage of those get refunds (via tax credits) which means that the income tax is actually a source of net revenue for them.

The bottom 40% of the population own .1% of the wealth. Heaven forbid they don’t pay as much in taxes as the 1% of the population that has over 90% of the overall wealth.

MichelleF you still didn’t answer my question… The only delusions on here are coming from you… so far past the point of the actual article, we can’t even stay on topic, it’s all “Obama sucks this”, and “Commie that”… Senator Byrd, albeit a former card-carrying member of the KKK, turn around his viewpoint on the world to be a very renowned politician… I don’t agree with his past but who is perfect? Strom Thurmond was a devout segregationist, and NEVER changed his opinion…

Back to the topic… is there anyone that can say that what was said in the Sharpton interview was completely wrong?

MichelleF said:
The delusions just keep on coming!

MIchelleF, who is going to beat Obama in 2012?

Lots of good and bad posts here…
Im enjoying it both ways…
Tiredofthbs \m/, nice
Give em hell grammie!
Too early to say barracak is as bad as carter, but he’s heading in the right direction….carry on.

MIchelleF, who is going to beat Obama in 2012?

I’m thinking my dog could at this point.

Ination said:
MIchelleF, who is going to beat Obama in 2012?

The best Republican ticket would be Palin/Huckabee, but Huckabee only uses the missionary position and he would likely not want to be under Sarah.

MichelleF said:
I’m thinking my dog could at this point.

But really – who do you think?

valkyrie101 said:
The best Republican ticket would be Palin/Huckabee, but Huckabee only uses the missionary position and he would likely not want to be under Sarah.

LOL

valkyrie101 said:
The best Republican ticket would be Palin/Huckabee, but Huckabee only uses the missionary position and he would likely not want to be under Sarah.

Unlikely Palin. She’s a fantastic fundraiser and very popular but that doesn’t translate to people thinking that she is capable of holding the office. Huckabee might have shot himself in the foot by getting his own Fox show but at least he’s doing well for himself.

I’d like to see Tim Pawlenty run but he’s not popular enough amongst his ranks. But as governer, he actually balanced a budget! *gasp*

I’m not sure yet. I would love to see Chris Christy run, but don’t think he will. I think Romney would have a better chance this time around, given the state of the economy, Jindal’s popularity has gone way up with his dealing of the oil spill and Bo’s has tanked at the same time, so maybe. Love Paul Ryan, but don’t know if he’s interested yet. All in all, I think our chances are good. There’s still alot of time for new people to come onto the scene. We shall see.

MichelleF said:
Love Paul Ryan, but don’t know if he’s interested yet. All in all, I think our chances are good. There’s still alot of time for new people to come onto the scene. We shall see.

We know why you like Rep. Ryan, with that P90X-ness (some parts of his roadmap for America seems a little too extreme, like the Medicare/Medicaid voucher-thing). With Christie, seems like he has a few skeletons in his closet but who knows if any of it’s true. Romney will have to explain why healthcare reform is bad again and again and Jindal… I just don’t see that happening.

I don’t really see myself voting for Obama again in 2012 but the Republicans need to come back to the center for me to be convinced they can do better than before.

Wow, Glenn Beck also wants Christy to run. Coincidence? I think not. I’m hoping, no, praying for Palin/Beck or Palin/Bachman but Romney or Jindal would do just fine, thank you.

I find it hilarious that some people on this thread actually think Dr. King, who said in his speech at the March on Washington, that “America has issued the Negro a blank check,” and who marched with a garbage workers union, and who fought for … wait for it … social justice for minorities and the poor … would be in any way associated with a movement whose emblems include scrawled pictures of the nation’s first black president depicted as The Joker, a witch doctor, and Hitler. Really? King would have been down with that? What about Glenn Beck ridiculing the president’s 11-year-old daughter? King would have loved that too, right? Or Beck saying Obama hates “the white culture…” King was fighting for “the white culture,” right? Seriously?

You wingers drink too much.

I find it hilarious that some people on this thread actually think Dr. King, who said in his speech at the March on Washington, that “America has issued the Negro a BAD check,” and who marched with a garbage workers union, and who fought for … wait for it … social justice for minorities and the poor … would be in any way associated with a movement whose emblems include scrawled pictures of the nation’s first black president depicted as The Joker, a witch doctor, and Hitler. Really? King would have been down with that? What about Glenn Beck ridiculing the president’s 11-year-old daughter? King would have loved that too, right? Or Beck saying Obama hates “the white culture…” King was fighting for “the white culture,” right? Seriously?

very true j… the thing that makes me nuts about this is BECK tried to make it a race issue… He said “Lincoln isn’t owned by the whites… King isn’t owned by the blacks…” Which is completely 100% true, but in the same instance, for him to try and say that the civil rights movement was his or “theirs” first, is completely absurd. They’re world view is/was completely different. And for him to invoke the memory of Dr. King to further an agenda that is the opposite of what he believed in is slightly appalling, and extremely arrogant….

I honestly wish the right had a moderate candidate for 2012 that could rival the president and make for good competition, but with the political landscape the way it is, I don’t really see it happening. I haven’t seen too many Republicans that truly have the nation in their best interest. Granted the same can be said for some Dems, I just really don’t trust this emphatic right wing. Any group that as a whole would rather say no to everything, instead of trying to get things done, or would cater to it’s crazy step-cousin, and continually ridicules instead of attempting to make things better, couldn’t possibly have We The People’s best interest at heart

If it is the exact anti-thesis of what Rev. King was talking about, why then for all these years haven’t they been making THAT argument instead of using the Rev. King’s line of “…one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” Now why all these years would they be parroting that quote if it was not the essence of Rev. Kings speech? If it is the anti-thesis, do we flip that around because if so al (because of YOU, that name is a joke and I saying that in the nicest way I can) that sounds pretty damn racist, biggoted and ignorant. There again, after the Tawana Brawley incident, Americans exept no less out of you!

Maybe you should read the entire speech… King was asking expressly for GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION, to help the problem. How is that bigoted and racist? I’d really like to know how you can say that… What Al said was not bigoted and racist it was factual. He said nothing about race, just the discrepancies between the views of Beck and Dr. King. And yes, one day, I can tell you that day has not yet come.

MichelleF said:
I’m not sure yet. I would love to see Chris Christy run, but don’t think he will. I think Romney would have a better chance this time around, given the state of the economy, Jindal’s popularity has gone way up with his dealing of the oil spill and Bo’s has tanked at the same time, so maybe. Love Paul Ryan, but don’t know if he’s interested yet. All in all, I think our chances are good. There’s still alot of time for new people to come onto the scene. We shall see.

Of those you mentioned, which one is the tea party candidate? Surely there will be some on stage during the Republican presidential primary season. Rand Paul? Win the Senate then pull an Obama? I think Huckabee is a more popular tea party choice.

MLK was in the tradition of JC and Mahatma Gandhi. Staid in his beliefs. Non-violent and student of civil disobedience. Unafraid to die in prison for his beliefs, nor to cringe from assassination. MLK III, Sharpton, Jackson?

Isn’t; it awful when awful teabaggers think they speak for Martin Luther King.

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Isn’t; it awful when awful teabaggers think they speak for Martin Luther King.

You remind me of Sharpton. Something vile & perverse in every post/word.
All posters can get a lil heated at times..You seem to specialize in the crude…

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Beck on 8-28 rally: “This is the moment where quite honesty we reclaim the civil rights movement”.

—May 26 radio program.

I think Beck is confusing reclaiming with repealing. lolol

How is that co-opting King? That’s a really specious charge based on the evidence you’re presenting. While Dr. King was certainly a big figure, the civil rights movement was many millions of Americans. Dr. King was but a man arguing passionately and persuasively for his vision. If you want to accuse Beck of co-opting someone, I’d go with Washington. And definitely not Woodrow Wilson.

“Back to the topic… is there anyone that can say that what was said in the Sharpton interview was completely wrong?”-ConcernedCitizen3, July 2, 2010 at 5:00 pm

Rev. Sharpton, “[Beck]’s right, blacks don’t own Dr. King– they never did. And if he looks at the video, it was just not blacks marching in ‘63. It will not be just blacks that will be rallying with us today… we knew all along that it is about bringing the country together.
They are the ones that say no to government
[NOT TRUE, whoever "they" are.],
let’s go back to states’ rights
[NOT TRUE REGARDING THE 14TH AMENDMENT, EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW AND CIVIL RIGHTS. ARTICLE I--SEC 1 OF THE CONSTITUTION PLUS THE 9TH AND 10TH AMENDMENTS ARE THE LAW OF THE LAND AND NEED TO BE COMPLIED WITH BY THE FEDERAL GOVT.],
let the unemployed go uninsured
[NON SEQUITUR],
let us pit people against immigrants
[BS].
We are the ones saying let’s bring the country together under some sound judgment.
[DIFFERENCE OF OPINION HERE]
Come and affirm that at a rally of affirmation, not some joke that’s saying they are reclaiming a moment that I don’t think they understand, and I’m being kind.”
[DEFINITELY NOT "being kind."]

Pablo said:
If you want to accuse Beck of co-opting someone, I’d go with Washington. And definitely not Woodrow Wilson.

Ah yes, but Beck isn’t reclaiming the Civil Rights Movement on Washington’s or Wilson’s birthday, is he?
He is doing it on MLK’s special day.
I stand by my statement.

MLK’s special day is the third Monday of January. You might recognize it as a federal holiday. 8/28 is just another Saturday in August. I stand by my critique of your statement. It’s slimy.

Pablo,
If it was not the case that dozens of statements by Beck are antithetical to MLK’s positions, what you say might make sense. Beck chose that day specifically to create controversy because controversy is Glenn’s MO, and that is how he makes his money.

valkyrie101 said:
Beck chose that day specifically to create controversy because controversy is Glenn’s MO, and that is how he makes his money.

No, he didn’t, and he’s said so many, many times. The date is coincidental. But, of course, you know his mind even better than he does because… Well, you just do, amirite?

Boy, it’s a good thing he didn’t pick September 22, huh?

Oh, wait! I know! Beck is a big fat poophead lying liar! Is that how you come by your certitude, val?

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Liberty Banned said:
Sharpton is nothing like Dr. King. King would never have pulled the BS that Sharpton pulled during the horrible Tawana Brawely case. He’s a proven lier.

Well, for starters Sharpton is a lawyer, his job is to put forth and defend the story his clients give him. You may not sympathize with it, but at the end of the day that is your job. If you’re going after somebody for doing their job then you’re no better than Liz Cheney for calling lawyers the Al-Qaeda 9. As I said before though, I’m not comparing Sharpton to Dr. King, only the rhetoric for the position that they hold as leaders. That’s also not quite true. Some of Sharpton’s tactics were actually used by King. I take you to the coalition between the SCLC and CCCO. The two formed a coalition to investigate racial steering which led to racial steering being banned in the US. Their tactics were secretive, the seller didn’t know that they prospective buyers weren’t actually interested.”

What law school did he attend? When did he graduate? Where is he licensed to practice law?

As far as I know he is a Baptist Minister, not a lawyer? As for the Brawley case:

In 1998 Mr. Sharpton was found guilty of defamation and ordered to pay $65,000 for falsely accusing a New York prosecutor of rape in the 1987 Tawana Brawley case.

Sharpton, like his pal Jesse, is a shake down artist and a race baiter.

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Michelle,
Conservatives tend to be an older, and thus, are gradually dying out, while the younger people are for the most part going the way of the secular model that they see on TV and in popular culture, and are more liberal. Specifically I was talking about the fastest growing minority group, Hispanics, who regularly get kicked around by the conservatives, together with African Americans, gays, woman who cherish dominion over their own bodies, and freedom loving people who object to the weed laws, to name a few examples. When the progressive movement matures within just a few years it will make the changes that history requires.”

The usual static analysis. Churchill said a man who isn’t a liberal in his youth has no heart and a man who isn’t a conservative as he ages has no brain. Do you ever think about things, Valk, or do you just regurgitate?

valkyrie101 says:
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Yes notsofast, Obama already has a Nobel Prize.”

I had the honor once of speaking to a Nobel Prize Laureate, Arno Penzias. I can tell you why he was awarded the Nobel Prize, I can’t tell you why President Obama won his Nobel Prize. What specific accomplishment to World Peace has he made in 2009? Or ever?

Rich,
He overcame racism and defeated all odds by becoming the POTUS, the highest position in the world.

RichS said:
“valkyrie101 says:July 2, 2010 at 1:49 pm valkyrie101(Quote)2 4Michelle,Conservatives tend to be an older, and thus, are gradually dying out, while the younger people are for the most part going the way of the secular model that they see on TV and in popular culture, and are more liberal. Specifically I was talking about the fastest growing minority group, Hispanics, who regularly get kicked around by the conservatives, together with African Americans, gays, woman who cherish dominion over their own bodies, and freedom loving people who object to the weed laws, to name a few examples. When the progressive movement matures within just a few years it will make the changes that history requires.” The usual static analysis. Churchill said a man who isn’t a liberal in his youth has no heart and a man who isn’t a conservative as he ages has no brain. Do you ever think about things, Valk, or do you just regurgitate?

Yes, conservatives love to post that Churchhill quote, or “quip”, as the case may be. But without progressive thought, there is no progress. Correct?

valkyrie101 said:
Yes, conservatives love to post that Churchhill quote, or “quip”, as the case may be. But without progressive thought, there is no progress. Correct?

Except for the reality that Churchill never said it and himself was a liberal, unlikely to say something so stupid as that.

I would think a man who made his reputation by virtue of the Tawana Brawley case, has incited murderous, racist violence against Koreans and Jews, and keeps himself in expensive suits by virtue of shaking down corporations while simultaneously describing himself as a civil rights activist would be far more disappointing to Martin Luther King Jr. than Glenn Beck.

Bill Adkins said:
Except for the reality that Churchill never said it and himself was a liberal, unlikely to say something so stupid as that.

Well I will take your word for it. They say Marie Antoinette never said “let them eat cake”, but it is one excellent quote, none the less.

Pat Doherty said:
I would think a man who made his reputation by virtue of the Tawana Brawley case, has incited murderous, racist violence against Koreans and Jews, and keeps himself in expensive suits by virtue of shaking down corporations while simultaneously describing himself as a civil rights activist would be far more disappointing to Martin Luther King Jr. than Glenn Beck.

Well yes, Glenn does not really have to shake down corporations since they pay him tens of millions of dollars to shill for their cause.

Nice deflection, valk. Sharpton, along with Jesse Jackson, is well known for shaking down corporations for ‘donations’, and those corporations know a boycott (or worse) will be coming if they don’t pony up. When Sharpton’s comrade in arms, Jesse Jackson, was running his Rainbow Coalition in Chicago, he was best friends with Jeff Fort, leader of the El Rukn crime syndicate. (Jeff is currently doing life in a Super Max) Businesses knew that if they didn’t ‘contribute’ to Jesse, not only would they be boycotted, but some of Jeff’s boys might be paying a visit.

writer said:
Nice deflection, valk. Sharpton, along with Jesse Jackson, is well known for shaking down corporations for ‘donations’, and those corporations know a boycott (or worse) will be coming if they don’t pony up. When Sharpton’s comrade in arms, Jesse Jackson, was running his Rainbow Coalition in Chicago, he was best friends with Jeff Fort, leader of the El Rukn crime syndicate. (Jeff is currently doing life in a Super Max) Businesses knew that if they didn’t ‘contribute’ to Jesse, not only would they be boycotted, but some of Jeff’s boys might be paying a visit.

Isn’t it exactly the same for corporations that do not pony up to the politicians?

Actually no, its the same for the politicians that don’t pony up to the corporations. Of course not monetarily but well you know giving them what they want all the same. In the end it’s monetary.

I’m sorry I must also comment after reading this entire thread on the very least important, answer or argument. That being the date that was picked for Glenn Becks Rally. At least one person said it was just a coincidence. That answer reminded me of Sarah Palins answer to Katy Couric’s question to her on what news sources were. To which the answer was…”there are so many I can’t name each one.” Katy asking again well just name one….you know the rest. Is the answer to the date being just a coincidence because like Palin’s answer …can’t tell the truth and to dumb to come up with a lie?

really do need and edit button

sorry I meant to say ………what Palin’s news sources were.

valkyrie101 said:
Well yes, Glenn does not really have to shake down corporations since they pay him tens of millions of dollars to shill for their cause.

What cause is that, exactly?

blueblogger said:
I’m sorry I must also comment after reading this entire thread on the very least important, answer or argument. That being the date that was picked for Glenn Becks Rally. At least one person said it was just a coincidence.
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Is the answer to the date being just a coincidence because like Palin’s answer …can’t tell the truth and to dumb to come up with a lie?

When the suggestion is that Beck is trying to become King, that argument is central to the proposition. I’ve got a little insight into the question because I actually listen to the Glenn Beck Program. The event had been announced for weeks and then I distinctly remember when it came to his attention that the date was the same as the King speech and he was quite intrigued in the coincidence.

Now, is Beck too dumb to lie or are you too dumb to absorb a few facts before pulling your favorite assumption out of your butt?

Pablo said:
What cause is that, exactly?

Making lots of money and paying their CEOs eight or nine figures?

@ Pablo

you said – The event had been announced for weeks and then I distinctly remember when it came to his attention that the date was the same as the King speech and he was quite intrigued in the coincidence.

Now, is Beck too dumb to lie or are you too dumb to absorb a few facts before pulling your favorite assumption out of your butt?

And you have facts to back up the coincidence excuse? Beck was intrigued by the coincidence, you say? Cut me a break. Just because someone says so, doesn’t make it so. That includes anyones take on anything supported by no facts. That’s why its an opinion/and or excuse. Aside from that…Its inconceivable to me, at least, that there was absolutely not one person working for Beck on this rally that did not realize and voice to him that was the same date as the MLK speech? When they were still in the planning stage before the date was announced? True the date does not belong to anyone specifically, but in this case it’s in very poor taste. But just cause I and thousands of others think and say so, doesn’t make it so. Just my/our opinion. Oh and to me I think Beck pulled that one out of his butt, but i wasn’t there to see him actually do it, so I have no facts to back that up.

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Bill Adkins said:
Except for the reality that Churchill never said it and himself was a liberal, unlikely to say something so stupid as that.

Well I will take your word for it. They say Marie Antoinette never said “let them eat cake”, but it is one excellent quote, none the less.”

I can’t find a definite cite of Churchill having said this, there seems to be a controversy some say he did say it, others say he quoted a 19th century writer and still others say he never said it.

As to his political party, that is much easier. Winston Churchill was a Conservative from 1900 until 1904, a Liberal from 1904 until 1924 and a Conservative from 1924 until 1964. This shows why he certainly could have said it. So Bill, why did you distort the facts concerning Churchill’s political affiliations?

valkyrie101 said:
Making lots of money and paying their CEOs eight or nine figures?

Wait, so they’re paying Beck tens of millions to shill for making money and paying CEO’s? You’re not making sense, val.

blueblogger said:
And you have facts to back up the coincidence excuse? Beck was intrigued by the coincidence, you say? Cut me a break. Just because someone says so, doesn’t make it so.

Who says it wasn’t a coincidence and how would they know? You? And because you just do? Cut your own break.

Pablo said:
Wait, so they’re paying Beck tens of millions to shill for making money and paying CEO’s? You’re not making sense, val.

Shilling for the no regulation, no tax, anti-federal government mantra that corporations sing in their sleep since it means more profits, and higher wages for those who run the show (while cutting the American worker out of the picture by manufacturing overseas).

Big Al has been one of the greatest race baiters the DNC has ever swallowed. “Wasn’t nothing strange about your Daddy. It was strange what your Daddy had to deal with. But he dealt with it anyway.”

Words for the left to live by. LMFAO

valkyrie101 said:
Shilling for the no regulation, no tax, anti-federal government mantra that corporations sing in their sleep since it means more profits, and higher wages for those who run the show (while cutting the American worker out of the picture by manufacturing overseas).

And who’s paying for that? How much? Beck doesn’t do Government Motors ads anymore, so is it Goldline or EasyWater paying him the big bucks? Lifelock, maybe?

Pablo said:
Who says it wasn’t a coincidence and how would they know? You? And because you just do? Cut your own break.

Guess you can’t read complete posts. I said I can’t know for sure. But apparently you do because he said so. How would they know? That day is not classified secret information.

Pablo said:
And who’s paying for that? How much? Beck doesn’t do Government Motors ads anymore, so is it Goldline or EasyWater paying him the big bucks? Lifelock, maybe?

Well, do the math, he is said to make 30 million without book revenue. Who pays him the money? One big source is FOX. Where does FOX get the money? From their corporate sponsors. And since NewsCorp is such a conglormorate, with branches and markets all over the world, Beck and his kind are paid out of revenue paid by FOX’s corporate sponsors from around the world. Even Newscorp sales in China go toward Glenn’s salary.

Well, do the math, he is said to make 30 million without book revenue. Who pays him the money? One big source is FOX. Where does FOX get the money? From their corporate sponsors.

Ah, so everyone on Fox is shilling for making money and paying CEO’s. As is everyone on MSNBC, apparently. And Nickelodeon, I’m sure. Bart Simpson, call your agent! GE wants you to talk about Samuel Adams!

maxine said:
Guess you can’t read complete posts. I said I can’t know for sure. But apparently you do because he said so. How would they know? That day is not classified secret information.

I guess you’re self diagnosing. If you’ll recall (or if you’ll just scroll up) you’ll note that I mentioned the event having been announced for some time before it came to his attention that it coincided with the date of MLK’s speech. That isn’t an excuse, it’s an observation of a series of chronological events, taken in real time, a opposed to a knee jerk butt pull of attitude based certainty.

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Rich,
He overcame racism and defeated all odds by becoming the POTUS, the highest position in the world.”

Sounds more like the American electorate proved they were not racist and voted the first black man in the Office of President of the United States. So, the American electorate should have received the Prize. Did the committee offer an official reason?

Pablo said:
I guess you’re self diagnosing. If you’ll recall (or if you’ll just scroll up) you’ll note that I mentioned the event having been announced for some time before it came to his attention that it coincided with the date of MLK’s speech. That isn’t an excuse, it’s an observation of a series of chronological events, taken in real time, a opposed to a knee jerk butt pull of attitude based certainty.

Look, all I am saying is *you* can’t say with *certainty* that it *was not* brought to his attention before the date was announced and it was merely coincidental, just because he said so. Unless you were with him 100% of the time. As is I cannot say it was not. Common sense dictates. Again, it seems, to me and many others, highly unlikely that it wasn’t till after the announcement it was brought to his attention. This is a tiresome argument and truthfully I don’t give a rats ass as I wasn’t planning to attend it anyway. It doesn’t fit into my schedule of events. Which is a shame, as I can’t be in two places at one time. Otherwise, I might have been inclined to go to both.

Al Sharpton actually kinda took the high road here. I’d be shocked, but Al Sharpton is one of the few guests the Glenn Beck allows on his show so even Sharpton knows that mamma’s boy Keith Olbermann’s hateful vitriol is invalid and irrelevant.