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Andrew Sullivan Defends His Newsweek Pro-Obama Piece To Anderson Cooper

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Andrew Sullivan‘s Newsweek story on President Obama angered plenty of conservatives, as the magazine retitled the piece “Why are Obama’s critics so dumb?” and Sullivan, a self-proclaimed conservative, stood up for the president. On tonight’s Anderson Cooper 360º, Sullivan defended his thesis that the President had governed well against Republican strategist Bay Buchanan.

RELATED: Popular Conservative Blog Slams President Obama’s ‘Liverish Lips’ On Newsweek Cover

Anderson Cooper opened the interview with the first order of business: whether the inflammatory cover was his idea. “No, I found out Monday morning,” he clarified, adding that “I make a pretty reasonable , I hope, fact-based argument” and that “you won’t find the word ‘dumb’ or ‘stupid’ in any of the text of the piece.”

Sullivan then explained his argument– that “from the beginning he was planning on 8 years rather than 4, and that is also due to the scale of what he inherited,” he said of the President. He also found it strange that conservatives saw the President as a “radical lefty.” “If 25 million unemployed or underemployed Americans is part of his master plan, then maybe Rush Limbaugh is right,” Buchanan replied, “maybe he is trying to destroy America.” She added that she would rather believe the President was “completely clueless” than that alternative.

RELATED: Megyn Kelly: Is Newsweek Obligated To Put An ‘Actual Journalist’ On Its Cover Instead Of Andrew Sullivan

“I haven’t seen anything Obama has done that has made that worse,” Sullivan replied, concluding that the President would likely “win handily” because of the way he was working, and that his idea of spending now “actually helps in the short term,” citing Italy as a country whose budget cuts did not help growth.

The discussion via CNN below:

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  • Henry Wood

    “Why are Obama’s critics so dumb?”

    I don’t think that they are dumb, necessarily.  I think they suffer from mental illness, or perhaps some virulent mutation of the rabies virus.

    It would be good if the president’s right wing opposition wasn’t made up of rabid lunatics, because there is plenty to criticize.

  • Anonymous

    Let the Sully hatred begin…

  • Anonymous

    “I don’t think that they are dumb, necessarily.  I think they suffer
    from mental illness, or perhaps some virulent mutation of the rabies
    virus.”

    ..well said…

  • Anonymous

    why are cnn anchors doing the work of the dnc?  cooper would have been smarter to put this kook on his ridiculist
     
    another reason not to watch cnn

  • http://www.facebook.com/anil.hanagud Anil Hanagud

    The Republicans weren’t so virulent when Fox News was not around. I blame their change in tone on Fox News. I think these guys get brainwashed by people like Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly, et al.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKEQSTA4WOBYU5Z7QNSBUR2LXI MASSMURDERMEDIA

    ok, i don’t hate sully, but having read that article, it’s he who’s deranged…  with drivel, from a self-described conservative, such as his supporting of obama as far back as 2007 when he had no accomplishments to speak of…  and dude had the stones to say the stimulus actually worked…

    when i saw that cover i thought it was an onion parody…  next week’s cover story, “why are obama’s critics so racist?”…

  • Anonymous

    who do we blame for your virulent left crap?  Anyone, anyone? 

    It bothers you that Fox gives both sides – you much preferred when we only had the left drivel to listen to.  Isn’t that just awful?   Think free speech is really over-rated don’t you? lol

  • Anonymous

    As he should.  And what is really going to tick the cons off is that there is nothing in the article that can be dismissed as not factual.
    Thank you for an excellent article Andrew.

  • Anonymous

    given your penchant for Russian history – think you might be the wrong one to comment on how a Country built on freedom and capitalism is wasted on you.  Got a suitcase? 

  • Henry Wood

    Yeah I’m pretty sure the right was just as insane before FOX (i.e. wanting to secede from the US, declare war on Canada, drop nuclear bombs on Vietnam), but Fox just exposes their insanity a little more and makes them feel good about themselves.

  • Anonymous

    uh

  • Anonymous

    In your world anyone who has a different viewpoint than you is a kook. I’m a kook and proud of it.

  • Anonymous

    Was there anything in that article, if you read it, that wasn’t factual?      I didn’t think so.   Hate Obama as much as you want, but as the old saying goes, “thems the facts.”

  • Anonymous

    NO!  You must be kidding.

  • Anonymous

    Italy?!  I can’t believe Sullivan used Italy as an example that budget cuts don’t work.  That’s all you need to know about Andrew Sullivan and his economic ignorance.

    Italy didn’t make austerity cuts to grow their economy, they had to do it because they had NO money to run the government…because of government!

    Because of government, Italy faced bankruptcy and threatened the collapse of the euro. 

     

  • Henry Wood

    Actually the US was not built on capitalism; Adam Smith’s “Wealth of Nations” wasn’t published until 1776.

    Capitalism isn’t synonymous with freedom either, examples of this would be Pinochet’s Chile, or the modern People’s Republic of China.

  • Anonymous

    Andrew & Anderson, big surprise. What is up with these delusional lefties that they think Obama will win handily because the public sees he’s doing a great job! Whenever they are shown the facts they claim it’s because the public ‘doesn’t understand’. They’ve had 3yrs to explain it, so I guess if the public doesn’t overwhelmingly reelect him it must be because they are racist.

  • Anonymous

    have you ever watched msnbc or cnn….the majority of the country is on my side buddy

  • Anonymous

    def a smart journalist…im glad he is getting exposure

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKEQSTA4WOBYU5Z7QNSBUR2LXI MASSMURDERMEDIA

    i prefer the term free enterprise since the term capitalism was coined by karl marx, a confirmed marxist…

  • Anonymous

    In this “interview”, was Cooper the top or the bottom?

  • Henry Wood

    The right wing government of Silvio Berlusconi, you mean. But yeah, Great Britain is a better example of the failures of austerity.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2011/12/04/britain039s_failed_austerity_experiment_repeated_268504.html

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKEQSTA4WOBYU5Z7QNSBUR2LXI MASSMURDERMEDIA

    who got us in vietnam?:  the sane jfk…  who escalated vietnam?:  the sane lbj…  who got us out of vietnam?:  the insane nixon…

  • Anonymous

    Both sides? Good one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Rambler/1513697597 Bill Rambler

    there was nothing factual in it, just another Sullivan feltching Obama hack job!

  • Jonathan Cantor

    He has a right to defend himself from slander. We all deserve that right.

  • Henry Wood

    Predictably, this is false.  The first known use of the term “Capitalism” was in 1854 by William Makepeace Thackeray.

    But I see why you prefer the term “free enterprise,” since it has a lot more propaganda appeal.

  • Anonymous

    Hahaha what helpless criticism of Sullivan by Buchanan. Quoting Captain Pill-Popper, platitude after platitude, not even able to dispute a single fact brought forward by Sullivan. Not surprising though.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKEQSTA4WOBYU5Z7QNSBUR2LXI MASSMURDERMEDIA

    if by facts you mean cherry-picking, then i’ll agree…  obama’s economic team predicted the stimulus would create up to 4 million jobs with unemployment at 7% by 2011…  but 4 million jobs were lost and unemployment is 9%…  we could have achieved this without the stimulus yet sullivan says it worked anyway…  

  • http://twitter.com/Ssirleaf Sanders Wa-M.

    Please, don’t watch it and you will be very upset and surprise by the election day. Prepare a huge blanket bcz President Barack Surbaban Hussein TEFLON Obama will trump whoever will be on the GOP ticket.

  • Anonymous

    Having read the article I am sure you could point out its faults, right?

  • Anonymous

    The record shows that republicans opposed Obama’s initiatives in an unprecedented fashion, with a record number of filibusters, a record number of blocked appointments, and even having gone so far as stating that opposing the president is their primary goal. And with that kind of opposition you want to blame Obama? Why? After an election the two sides ususally come together, try to work something out, agree on stuff. But not this time. A whole faction of the House republican caucus actually tried to put our country into default, with pundits like Rush and others saying that default would be a good thing. All so they can say, later, apparently to the dim witted, that it was Obama’s fault. Most of the public do not buy that. 

  • Bobby Brady

    Saying that Obama critics suffer from a mutated virus is pretty ironic on a Rawmuscleglutes thread.

  • Anonymous

    Actually, I date it back to Limbaugh coming on the scene. People I knew who were conservatives started to get angrier, nastier and would substitute vitriol for arguments. My mother was a perfect example of this — you couldn’t have an honest debate with her anymore. She had her own set of “facts” and all of her opinions rose from them, no matter how obviously invalid.

    Limbaugh planted the seeds but Fox harvested the fear and malice.

  • Anonymous

    You could attempt to refute any of the points given in the article, but that is a lot of reading for you Tiny.

    You stick to your usual blather, lack of complete sentences, let alone coherent thought.

    It keeps the readers interested.  What inane thing will Tiny say today comes to mind every morning I wake up.

  • Henry Wood
  • Anonymous

    I approve of how president Obama has handled the economy and national issues knowing he has been up against a huge barrage from the FOX-hole and random talking heads like Brush Himoff, Grill O’Millley and Hen Wrecked who have sabotaged any effort put forth by the president or the Democratic House or Senate. The president has done a marvelous job even under these circumstances. This year, more than a dozen states have enacted new voting restrictions, including eight — Alabama, Kansas, Mississippi, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin — that passed variations of a rule requiring photo identification. Idaho and Oklahoma passed similar legislation in 2010, as did Utah in 2009. In 2008 New Mexico pass this legislation. Ohio and Georgia passed voter restrictions in 2006 while Missouri tightened their voter laws. In 2003, Voter ID laws passed inAlabama, Colorado, Montana, North Dakota and South Dakota where the Republican Party was in charge. Fourteen states dominated by the TEA-GOP-Republican Party have changed the rules for voters since President Obama was elected into office. This what president Obama is up against. Every effort has been mobilized to shut down voters across the nation.  President is more than stump talking, as he was very instrumental in taking out of extremist like Osama Bin Ladin as well as authorizin­­­g assistance to the European Union to help remove Moammar Khaddafy while passing the great legislation in last Congress. The president authorized the number two leader of Al Qaeda, Atiyah abd al-Rahman, to be killed on August 22 in Pakistan, a senior U.S. official said. There have been 3 or 4 more high level hits authorized to cut the head off of this scourge to the Middle East! Leadership is the president’­­s! A total of seventeen by some counts!

  • AMP2020

    Fox should invite him on O’Reilly for two segments.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKEQSTA4WOBYU5Z7QNSBUR2LXI MASSMURDERMEDIA

    yeah, the freedom to do what i want with my own money is such propaganda…  we’re better off with a benevolent dictatorship shepherding our hard earned money to those who know better how to use it…

  • Anonymous

    They’re not delusional lefties, nor anyone spoke about racists. It’s about the economical policy that manifestly works! See the numbers.

  • https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawmS1H0GlNDiHCXlUQxKLF8-_OhSQfgcNpg Orktane

    I think Obama or at least his re-election team needs to ‘outsource’ his defence to Andrew Sullivan – stunning they can’t frame the simplest of arguments with facts like Andrew did. All the same, I’m still doubtful everything is a big master plan, a number of things are incidental and situational – though, what could be argued is that Obama has taken a honest and reasonable stab (note, not perfect) at all opportunities and problems that have crossed his table.  

  • Anonymous

    I could cite plenty of actual economists that say that austerity will not work and they aren’t your paper tiger fantasy of Keynes.

  • Henry Wood

    Actually it was Eisenhower who got us involved in Vietnam. 

    http://faculty.smu.edu/dsimon/Change-Viet.html

    I still think Eisenhower was a terrific president when it came to domestic policy, though.

  • http://twitter.com/Ssirleaf Sanders Wa-M.

    @ ChuckSacramento Pure ignorance and believe me you will find out why they call The President TEFLON comes this November.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKEQSTA4WOBYU5Z7QNSBUR2LXI MASSMURDERMEDIA

    you just read two points…  scroll down for more, please, i’d rather not retype…

  • Anonymous

    Or you are just an idiot?

    Please read the article and point out the problems.  I read the article.  I saw some points that were thin, but this was in Newsweek, not exactly a highbrow weekly.

  • Anonymous

    So Sullivan is “a self proclaimed conservative”…?

    Yeah right….and Rosie O’Donnell is a “self proclaimed ” super model.

    In typical leftie fashion Sullivan thinks he can just redefine the truth.

  • Anonymous

    When someone actually does attack the article on the merits it will be a Claude Raines Moment.

  • Henry Wood

    And there you go, ticking off your propaganda talking points.

    Freedumb…mah own monay…benevolent dictatership

  • Anonymous

    Maybe he should be going after Newsweek.  
    His talking points are the same shit we listen to from all of this administrations defenders. Nothing new or revealing. The cover of the article is the only reason this is getting any ink.Newsweek threw the bomb and now you think Republicans slandered him. Priceless

  • Anonymous

    Why would he be ignorant? He’s right!

    Italy could’ve gotten the money from the Central Europen Bank but opted to bring the deficit down below 4% by cutting on spending. That was the policy of the Berlusconi’s government since 2004/2005 when the severe cuts on spending have been introduced. That in fact  tremendously deepened the crisis in Italy.

  • Anonymous

    If Fox News is so devoted to presenting “the other side,” why haven’t they invited Sullivan on to discuss his piece? Yesterday Meghan Kelly devoted a whole segment to bashing his work and never gave him the opportunity to respond.

    Imagine that:  “fair and balanced” is just a meaningless catchphrase.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKEQSTA4WOBYU5Z7QNSBUR2LXI MASSMURDERMEDIA

    a stellar, unbiased source if i ever saw one…  why not invoke media matters and the daily koz while you’re at it…

  • Anonymous

    It’s quite astonishing how the people posting here find a way to talk about the sexuality of the persons in this video, hoping that would somehow diminish the validity of the arguments presented.

    Look at the numbers and think by your own head.

  • Anonymous

    What is your argument about the article?

    For that matter, why do you get to say anything about his conservatism or lack?

    Did you get the tablets from Mount Sinai recently and not tell the rest of the planet?

  • Anonymous

    Oeno, it’s not whether austerity alone works to increase jobs, it doesn’t.  It’s the fact that austerity measures had to be taken because there was no choice!!

    Even in 1994 Italy’s Debt to GDP was 120%  Italy has been battling double digit inflation for over 30 years!

    It’s Sullivan’s statements that austerity cuts were some kind of stimulus of sorts that is laughable.  Italy virtually had no choice.

  • Anonymous

    Shut down voters or shut down Democratic voter fraud?   Pay much attention to how many Democrats are convicted of fraud each election?

  • Henry Wood

    It’s a graph, dude.  No one really disputes the numbers here…

  • Anonymous

    This was 30 years in the making, MioDio.  This wasn’t caused by “severe” cuts in spending.

  • Anonymous

    Bay just gave up at the end, she knows she had lost the argument.

  • Anonymous

    Hahahaha….

  • http://twitter.com/12barbluz Lightnin’ James

    O’Reilly would just try to shout him down rather than debate just like that other little paranoid and delusional screwball Mark Levin.

  • Anonymous

    I guess you were vacationing in a cave from Jan 2009 to Jan 2011 when Obama/Reid/Pelosi completely shut out the Republicans (and much of the public which resulted in the creation of the Tea Party movement).  Now, since the Repubs have have had  the house he’s decided to still shut them out by ignoring congress and doing whatever the hell he wants.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, my subscription to The Occupy Wall Street Journal hasn’t been arriving at my house lately.

  • Anonymous

    Very good you mentioned the coordinated efforts regarding voter restriction. I personally don´t doubt that Obama would win in a fair election. I don´t doubt that the GOP will do anything to prevent a second term. They will use any dirty trick in the book and they have been preparing for years now.

  • Anonymous

    For someone who doesn’t like Fox, you sure watch a lot of Fox.

    Sullivan brings nothing to the table for Fox. Just like Brown brings nothing to the table for Newsweek.

  • Anonymous

    AHHHHHHH radios. AHHHHHHHHH

  • Bobby Brady
  • Anonymous

    You cannot go 30 years back yo make that claim in modern economy. It doesn’t work that way. More importantly the things were almost completely reset in 2000 when euro was introduced, and the Italian deficit was straddling 6% only! One should watch the evolution since then, and that’s where it’s clear that the severe cuts on spending started suffocating the economy.

  • Bobby Brady

    Do you read the National Enquirer too?
    It has as much merit as Andrew Sullivan has.

  • Anonymous

    In other words, you admit that any opinion that doesn’t fit Fox’s preconceived narrative is unwelcome.

    Thanks for confirming what we all knew.

  • https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id?id=AItOawmS1H0GlNDiHCXlUQxKLF8-_OhSQfgcNpg Orktane

    I believe Bush was a duly elected conservative President, and he supported TARP.. and so your argument is?

  • Anonymous

    A better way to illustrate my point is that if massive government spending was a good thing, Greece would be needing to bail out Germany.

    Italy’s debt is a 30 year problem.  It was never stable.

  • Bruce Brownell

    In a remarkably clear decision, Andrew Sullivan calmly clarified with Anderson Cooper before courteously and convincingly destroying the usually capable Bay Buchanon.  Facts are curious things as those cited by Ms. Buchanon as talking points became arguments supporting Obama when given context by Mr. Sullivan.  I agree with the guy.

  • Jonathan Cantor

    Um what. All I am saying is he should be able to defend himself on Fox News. Who cares what he says in the article. He has requested to be interviewed and been rebuffed. He has a right to write what he wants, and to defend himself against criticism. Believe it or not America is not an authoritarian state. 

  • http://twitter.com/12barbluz Lightnin’ James

    You can see why Megyn Kelly of Fox is scared to death to have Sullivan on to debate after she tried to smear him on her show.

  • Anonymous

    Regarding voter fraud I´ll cite a true expert. “Minnite contends that voter fraud is in reality a politically constructed myth intended to further complicate the voting process and reduce voter turnout.”

    The GOP has invented a problem against all facts to justify the attacks on certain voter. Low voter turnout means higher chances of winning for the GOP.

    http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/?GCOI=80140100774960

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-voter-fraud/2011/10/04/gIQAkjoYTL_story.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/the-myth-of-voter-fraud.html

    You come back when you actually can prove large scale, coordinated “Democratic voter fraud.

    And, no, Acorn doesn´t qualify as example based on the facts.

  • Henry Wood

    Not much of a response…

  • Anonymous

    I think you don’t distinguish between the public spending and corruption.

    I am talking about the public spending, and refer to the numbers showing the evolution of what’s happening in Italy since the euro was introduced.

    Public spending in Germany is HUGE (much bigger than in Italy) but with an important difference — it is wisely used.

  • Henry Wood

    This is the point in the argument when turk explains to us that Germany is a freemarkit utopia.

  • Anonymous

    So it’s not blather to call someone named Tina, Tiny? Got it.

  • Bruce Brownell

    Great name.  Except for the murder part. 

    If you thought the stimulus was the light switch to make all the dark times go away, then you’re right, the stimulus failed.  But if you think the stimulus slowed the crash and put food on the table and kept a roof over the heads of hundreds of thousands of American workers, then maybe you’ll think the stimulus worked.

    Of course more than one-hundred of our congressional members who voted against the stimulus found the opportunity to pose, smiling, at the ribbon cutting ceremonies funded by the stimulus.  That could be confusing.

    Kind of like “equal rights, except.”

  • Anonymous

    No, I admit that you watch more Fox than me as a conservative.

    You have already shown that you think Orly = Andrew. Own it dude.

  • Anonymous

    You sure put up with a lot if you’re willing to put up with Henry.

  • Anonymous

    give your head a little whack against any wall.  Sullivan is a freaking idiot dofus.  Kelly, like most sane people realize he’s a whacked out fool.  

    You, not so much.

    This creep who gets face time because he claims to be republican (he was exposed as a low life degenerate 3 years ago – you missed the memo)

  • Anonymous

    I don’t have to read articles. I believe in a fair system of voting. Since there is not legal immigration being enforced, I am fine with voter registration rules.

    It’s about time.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, didn’t Ron Paul really begin the tea party movement? I don’t think, in any event, that your theory is correct, that it was begun by republicans “shut out” (or even shut-in) by the great boogie woman, Nancy Pelosi. Ever since Obama was elected the republicans chose to oppose him every step of the way, to bring him to his “waterloo”, etc. That’s sick.

  • Anonymous

    Where is the restriction? There are free IDs available.

  • Anonymous

    I think Edwards would disagree.

  • Anonymous

    All 10 of Anderson’s viewers approve of your message.

  • Anonymous

    Lol, sometimes I do regret hitting the reply button!

  • Anonymous

    there is no fact in the article.  It’s a stupid article by an ignorant idiot who is trying to pass himself on as a conservative because otherwise he’d get no attention.  No fact – just his ridiculous uninformed, biased opinion.  Seemed to fool you.  

    p.s.  wouldn’t you love to see Obama’s marks?  Well, the only way we will ever see them is if he’s kicked out of office and then the demos eat their own and we shall find out all sorts of things that we should/could have known if they did to him what they are now doing to any republican who is running.  

  • Anonymous

    because he’s a no name low life fool!  What part of creepy dude don’t you understand?  

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for letting us know you rely on your gut and not on your brain.

  • Anonymous

    The reason for the uproar was the COVER, not so much the content. 
    The attack that the critics are stupid. He cleared up the fact that he didn’t know about the wording of the cover and that he didn’t believe what it said. 
    Newsweek should be defending the fact they put words in his name that he doesn’t believe. Megyn was questioning the assertion of Sullivan labeling Obama critics as dumb.
    BTW what made Newsweek come up with that cover knowing full well that it’s inflammatory? Viewership is eroding and this was an Enquirer moment. Sad to see how the once mighty have sunk to new lows. 

  • Anonymous

    You always teach me something new so I rarely respond to your comments. I just enjoy you schooling everyone. :)

    Sometimes, it’s a really beautiful thing. You pull out some nice gems as it relates to the funnies too. Never change.

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul is Ron Paul. He had his own version of supporters. The tea party is not Ron Paul and Ron Paul is not the tea party. They are factions of each other. And there is nothing sick about disagreeing with a politician based on the fact that the politician that is supposed to be President signed into law 0 laws.

    Epic fail Val. Epic.

  • Anonymous

    Seeing as I will be a legal scholar soon, I enjoy both. :)

  • Anonymous

    Aww, thanks WCinWI2!

  • Hout Bosques

    Clever – incisive even. I hadn’t thought ot it that way, but your closely reasoned logic is, I think, unaswerable.  

    I suspect it will be difficult for you to maintain this standard, but … good luck! 

  • Anonymous

    It’s not about attacking the article but debating the assertions. Were the huge job losses when Obama took office a short term correction because businesses were sitting on large inventories and demand was low? If your going to downsize and make yourself profitable take all the pain at one time.Hire back when business picks up. You could argue that we were near the bottom and growth was hindered because businesses were waiting to see what the Fed was doing and what impact it would have. 
    Did giving banks free money stop the lending and make it difficult for small business to grow or even get funded? It’s taken 3 years and banks are still hesitant.
    Did taking stimulus money and give it to states to prop another year of not balancing budgets extend the pain? Seems to me without the stimulus this last year that unions are negotiating in good faith with States and the amount of job losses are much less than expected.
    We’ve had so many different home modification programs out there and yet we have seen very little success at a great cost.
    This administration has stated that they have done a lousy job of selling the product so when Newsweek”s cover calls critics dumb it does a great disservice to critics and Sullivan is defending himself for something he says he doesn’t believe. 
     

  • Anonymous

    Well done interview Sullivan. Conservatives don’t have to hate Obama because he’s a Democrat. At least not the more fiscally moderate ones. 

  • Anonymous

    Turk, you are either have a bad student or you are a worse teacher.  I vote for the former: Rational right-leaning commentators seem a rarity here.

  • http://twitter.com/12barbluz Lightnin’ James

    *YAWN*

    Another substance free right-wing hater

  • OSTL

    thanks philby!

  • Hout Bosques

    Let’s see … since cum laude puts the student in the top 20% of the graduating class, that means it’s being compared to a group NONE of whom flunked ANY class. That means the lowest possible mark any member of the graduating class received was a bare pass: 51%. But the odds of the lowest average of anyone in that class being at 51% are staggeringly against, & against even an average of 55% – but let’s just use that as one extreme of the bell curve, & put the other at, say 99% (Don’t want to go putting THIS president any higher.), even tho the odds are also hugely against any member being able to maintain that high an average. So – the bell curve covers all the numbers from 55 to 99 inclusive, for a total of 45 numbers. The top 20% of those 45 numbers would put the lowest member of the top 20% at an average mark of 90%, over between a maximum of 6 full year or 12 half year classes, & a minimum of 5 full year or 10 half year classes (tho almost certainly some combination of full & half year classes) – per year.  

    But of course student Obama was NOT ‘merely’ cum laude – he was summa cum laude, putting him in the top 10% of his graduating class. So that means his average of all classes mark was HIGHER than 90%. (Or, if you prefer to go with the most common scale of D being a bare pass & A being acceptable by every measure, this suggests something around A, maybe with the odd B+ being offset by the odd A+.). If it was just cum laude, it actually could extend down into B+, but since it’s not, it can’t. N the other hand, summa doesn’t mean he actually had the single top mark in the class, so it’s fair to assume he was IN the top 10% but not the actual top mark: thus, very likely a solid A across the board.  

    And that’s just reasoning from the KNOWN facts: yes, it’s possible he could have averaged out at the dreadfully low end of 90%, or at the penultimate end of 98%. So, this is now dreadfully important to know – whether his A grade standing represented an average all-classes mark of say 93%, versus say 96% – because the difference means, well … everything. 

  • Henry Wood

    “there is nothing sick about disagreeing with a politician based on the fact that the politician that is supposed to be President signed into law 0 laws.”

    How many bills did McCain sign into law?  Oh that’s right…NONE!  Because legislators don’t sign bills into law.

    That’s some edjumukashun you got there.  You’re a scholar!

  • Anonymous

    If you don’t use it, you’ll lose it: especially when it comes to keeping up with a subject as “progressive” as law, WCinW12.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bart-Morgay/100001554351938 Bart Morgay

    Andrew Sullivan could mop the floor with anybody Fox could throw at him.

  • Anonymous

    His foreign policy should suit conservative hawks too.  He just goes about that business more Vince Flynn stealthy like, rather than shock and awe.

  • Anonymous

    And in your mind FOX doesn’t do the work of the GOP?

  • Hout Bosques

    “Because of government…”
    EVERY nation has “government”. Are you saying because of what the Berlusoni government did, or what “government” per se did, that is, the very existence of government in Italy “threatened the collapse of the euro”?  If you mean the latter, then you’re a complete loony.

    Either way, you’re wrong. The collapse of the euro does not depend on what happens in Italy alone, nor does it depend on a number of countries in the same gondola (Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy). It depends MOSTLY on the lack  of a central bank that can issue euro bonds to secure national debt to the particular countries to address infrastructure to retool, in education etc., to restore sustainability. The ECB actually has the power to do that, but it lacks the will, in large part because its will shadows that of Germany, which prefers to maintain for itself as net-exporter position, & of the uberbanks, including U.S. banksters, who insist on being paid 100% of what they’re owed on the precise terms they secured, & threaten to wreak havoc otherwise (so they threaten).

    Here – treat yourself to a seminar, & come back when you’re enlightened:

     http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/

     

  • Hout Bosques

    I think we just witnessed two guys with signs with the word “MORANS” on them slapping high fives.

  • Hout Bosques

    That lack of choice came from largely from its euro zone partners. The STRUCTURE alone creates the problem, tho having a criminal con in charge certainly didn’t help in any way.

  • Hout Bosques

    Some real re-invention of history going on there, Chuckie boy. The TPers got up on their high motorized chairs in the spring of 2009 – having already ‘declared’ the Obama administration a failure. Yeah, that was some spontaneity there, all right.

  • Hout Bosques

    Now you’re posting complete gibberish. Take a breather, man.

  • Anonymous

    Sincerely dude, what is wrong with you?

    I never said Italy alone out of the PIIGS is solely responsible for the collapse of the euro.

    I can’t believe you sent me me to the website of Yanis Varoufakis to be “enlightened.” 

    You actually sent me to the economic adviser of George Papandreou, the former Prime Minister of Greece!   George Papandreou, president of Socialist International!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Felisha-Witt/100001288617430 Felisha Witt

    obama is nothing but a slick talking street thug who conned his way into the white house and is now hell bent on tearing this country apart,and w/the help of the liberal press that is just what is happening. i keep wondering how so many dumb people could have voted for him.

  • expatpatriot

    Keep that sense of wonder. You’ll need it after November 6 this year.

  • expatpatriot

    It’s like there’s a cageful of these goofuses somewhere.

    Most of the time they bounce around shrieking and bloodying each other, but every once in awhile one escapes to Mediaite, where they immediately take a dump and then proclaim how proud they are to have done so.

    After awhile, they get sheepish and jump back in the cage.

    It’s kinda weird.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Politics-culture-Reasoned-America/100001284363960 Politics-culture Reasoned Amer

    LOL – “self-proclaimed conservative”?

    Yea, about as much as John and Meghan McCain are “conservative”!

    All three are getting this attention only because they’re all DEMOCRATIC DOORMATS, that liberal media whores love wiping their ideological feet on!

  • Peter Cooper

    > …karl marx, a confirmed marxist…

    Is this performance art ?

  • Anonymous

    Andy Cooper & Andy Sullivan: Two peas in a pod. How appropriate. Anyone notice how much Sullivan resembles “Louis CK”?

  • Anonymous

    Another Leftist ‘dog-whistle:’ The word ‘inherited’ really means OBAMO should be absolved of his stupidity and partisanship because everything bad that happened since he came to town isn’t his fault.

    Leftists do love their dog whistles.

  • Anonymous

    ” “Why are Obama’s critics so dumb?” “

    Well, you can ask that question both ways.  Here’s an example of one of his not so bright supporters. Hint; the picture was not taken as he raced from the patent office to pick up potato salad for the Mensa picnic.

    http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m70/hugh_jardohn/SharptonMoron.jpg

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P27OZ7IRYVJ4W5MDA265QCQGKA Swfloridagal Gal

    You are a perfect example of the COVER!!

  • Anonymous

    He’s been on O’Reilly’s show several times. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P27OZ7IRYVJ4W5MDA265QCQGKA Swfloridagal Gal

    Ewwww…..he has cooties!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P27OZ7IRYVJ4W5MDA265QCQGKA Swfloridagal Gal

    LOL@U!

  • Anonymous

    Everyone in con lalaland knows this to be true. Fixed it for you. You are welcome.

  • Anonymous

    At the mention of parody covers for Newsweek’s latest brouhaha, enjoy these:

    http://thepeoplescube.com/current-truth/newsweek-cover-obama-s-new-clothes-thrill-media-elites-t8272.html

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    What an immensely clever retort. “Inform Yourself, Enlighten Yourself Through Ignorance.” What a wondrous maxim you have inspired.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Christ was the Christ. He wasn’t Christian. Marx was Marx. He wasn’t Marxist. English will trip you up like that, when you least expect it.

  • Anonymous

    So… no questions about his “Birtherism”????

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    “Great name. Except for the murder part.”

    — And for the “mass” murder. Too Catholic.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    She has formed a club, but has admitted only herself. The conversation is sparkling and there are no errant beliefs.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Speaking of blather ….

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    That’s actually a good point. FOX “News” does give voice to kooky, unAmerican opinions and informs us of the unAmerican kooks around us.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    THE GREAT GRAMMARIAN BIDET WRITES:

    “No, I admit that you watch more Fox than me as a conservative.”

    HRH, the RRE RESPONDS:

    That should be “than I”.

  • taylorwll2

    This guy that wrote the article is a conservative

  • Anonymous

    Translation: “It’s just easier to call him names since I can’t refute anything that Sullivan wrote, I can’t quarrel with the points he made in this interview and I can’t really answer your question.”

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Indeed, the UK is the prime example of the utter failure of austerity in economically tough times. Unfortunately, the UK in Cameron has a leader who may well be intelligent and articulate, but who suffers from W’s great affliction, the inability to admit to a mistake and thereby make a mid-course correction. The effects have been devastating in the UK and have rippled through the developed nations.

  • Anonymous

    There’s a new site out now. It’s called factcheck.org, and a couple others.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    A criminal conservative? Surely not!

  • Anonymous
  • The Real Royal Emperor

    By definition, a person cannot be a faction.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Give us the exact numbers, Chuck. Be very specific. Give us the number of Republicans, as well. Voter fraud is rare and largely insignificant in American elections. It is simply a battle cry to disenfranchise minorities not engaged in the fraudulent acts. You’re much better than this. Repeating RNC talking points with no basis in fact is beneath you.

  • Anonymous

    Everyone who aint too bright

  • Anonymous

    We know that facts are not your friends, but would you please show us where Sullivan ever claimed to be a Republican?

    Good luck finding that link…

  • Anonymous

    Interesting how you’ve posted lots of third grade snark about Sullivan and Cooper, but have yet to write anything about any of the assertions in the article or the interview. Nothing.

    We all know you’re a lightweight, but you should at least make an effort not to play to the stereotype.

  • Anonymous

    You’ve got a very long wait.

  • Anonymous

    A “Birther”? Really?? Do you want to link to where he says that Palin’s baby isn’t her own?

    We’ll wait…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1190134026 Barry Dalton

    burn the infidel at the stake

    Sullivan has dared speak truth to POWER-fully ignorant people!

  • Anonymous

    huh?

  • Jardino

    Sullivan is proof that there are some smart conservatives. Not many, though.

  • Anonymous

    How many jobs the stimulus created cannot be proven however the consensus among the vast majority of economists, both conservative and liberal, have agreed that is saved us from another great depression.

  • Anonymous

    That’s the exact point. Because you disagree with Sullivan he’s an idiot. Check the facts at any non-partison fact checking site and there is not one thing he said that is not true. Sorry

  • Anonymous

    Go to any non-partison fact checking site, put your hate for Obama aside for a moment and tell me what is not correct with what he said.

  • Anonymous

    Are you seriously denying he is a Trig birther? I’m at work right now but I’ll hope that others can correct you on your assumption.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry for the tardiness Turk.  I had gone to bed by the time you replied.  

    Having a debt to GDP at that level hasn’t hurt Japan, because the majority of the debt is owned by Japanese citizens.  The same holds true for Italy.

    I think Sullivan was saying that Italy was an example of how austerity doesn’t work, but I’ll try to find the transcript of the interview.

    One thing I enjoy about the website I’m going to post is that it is good at breaking down things without having to lug around a 500-page book (nothing wrong with that, but most people don’t relax with books on international monetary policy).

    http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/feldstein44/English 

  • Anonymous

    Fine, you can go with the notion that opposing everything the duly elected president tries is some great act of patriotism, but it seems more like sour grapes over the last election than anything.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks, Oeno.  It’s really cool to have a civil discussion on economics!

    I’ll page through the site.

  • Anonymous

    Absolutely. Have a look at Sullivan’s blog post from yesterday on this very topic. He’s always gone out of his way to say that he doesn’t know what the truth is and has only asked that she reconcile the very significant inconsistencies in her story. I’m kind of amazed that you and others attempt to smear a journalist for asking a few questions.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the link! 

  • Anonymous

    Like people who asked for Obamas birth records? Those people were birthers and so is Sullivan for the same reasons… Ugly hate.

  • Anonymous

    I think you’ll find they’ll be correcting you. Sullivan has not once, ever, stated that he doesn’t think trig is Palin’s. He just said her story of how the birth happened is fantastically ridiculous and she should produce documentation… and until she does there are always going to be doubts about what actually happened.

  • BooBoo Bear

    And here I didn’t think the US came into existence until 6/21/1788 well that’s when the Constitution was ratified. Yes, I know you are going by the Declaration of Independence but you need to know that we were at war until 1783.

  • Anonymous

    The reason I broke decisively with the so-called progressive “left” is for the reasons brilliantly spelled out by Andrew. 

  • Anonymous

    You care. You really care.

  • Anonymous

    Wrong again.

    The birthers claimed to know that Obama was born in Kenya and produced a discredited paper trail that tried to make a connection that wasn’t real.

    Sullivan has only echoed what many others have pointed to, which is a lot of weird inconsistencies in her account and asked that these be cleared up.

    I think you’re being extremely disingenuous in trying to equate Sullivan to the outright lies of the birthers and I hope you read his piece from yesterday in which he makes the distinction abundantly clear.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not a dude.

    I win.
    You lose.

  • Anonymous

    McCain had military service.
    McCain > Obama any day.

    I voted FOR Palin.

  • Anonymous

    No, once you graduate, you never lose your degree. You are required to take a bar, depending on state laws.

    Which is why Obama was never an official lawyer.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t read Newsweek, nor do I care what a Truther has to say.

    Orly = Sullivan. Awesome.

  • Anonymous

    Which pro-Obama piece? The he wrote or the one in his pants?

  • Anonymous

    Your regular mouth isn’t declining…. it’s just that the brown  smelly one that you also talk out of is getting louder!

  • Anonymous

    No wonder we have a fu**ed up judicial system with such low requirements for “legal scholars”. Besides uniquenewyork wasn´t talking about your degree. I am really not sure if you are aware of that.

  • Anonymous

    Newsweak was the rag that was sold, lock-stock-and-barrel, for a dollar, right?

    This explains it.

  • Anonymous

    It´s noted Cons don´t, can´t and wont dispute a single argument of the article – pathetic, yet very funny and entertaining.  

  • New Influence

    seek. I try not to hijack conversations, but I can’t help it. I enjoyed reading your entry. 
    “…Fox gives both sides.” Fantastic. Puts a smile on my face.

  • Anonymous

    Well that is certainly an interesting interpretation. I remember many who asked “hard questions” about Obamas birth (Trump) but never outright said he was NOt a US citizen being called birthers. Did you call Trump a birther? If you did you’re a hypocrit. I have always called those questioning his US status birthers, so I’m being consistent. Sullivan and you are trying to rewrite history and use a different rule than you did for Obama birthers. Telling.

  • New Influence

    You are cherry picking your own facts. Yes, they predicted 7%. That was when the forecast was that it would go no deeper than 8%, and before the real falloff in jobs had occurred. And the stimulus that passed was not the stimulus they proposed. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/chasrmartin Charlie Martin

    So, are they dating?  

  • Anonymous

    Those that questioned Obamas birh were labeled birthers. Case closed.

  • http://www.occupywallst.org/ (CAR)

     Expand “Why are Obama’s critics so dumb?”? Classic, lol

  • http://www.occupywallst.org/ (CAR)

    Can I have a T-Shirt that says that?

  • http://www.occupywallst.org/ (CAR)

    I think you forget that we became a country because we were fighting abusive capitalism, privledge, and abuse by wealthy people trying to own and run everything. Or do you not remember that part?

  • http://www.occupywallst.org/ (CAR)

    because they don’t lie?

  • http://www.occupywallst.org/ (CAR)

    Republicans are stupid.  I would welcome the day when just one of them argued with actual facts instead of partyline talking points.

  • http://www.occupywallst.org/ (CAR)

    hey, you’re not supposed to mention facts to Republicans. What world are you living in? lol

  • http://www.occupywallst.org/ (CAR)

    So far the polls do should that to be true. 

  • Anonymous

    Hate can make you dumb..

  • Anonymous

    Gimme a break.

    Anyone who was asking about Obama’s birth certificate did so LONG after the matter had been put to rest and there was already a MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE that he was born in Hawaii, including contemporaneous records. It was a completely manufactured “scandal” designed to sell books for sleazebags like Jerome Corsi and churn up hatred among people who were duped into believing he was a secret Muslim.

    Sullivan, by contrast, has taken PALIN’S OWN ACCOUNTS of the birth and ACTUAL DOCUMENTED RECORDS and questioned the discrepancies and weirdnesses between them. He’s been far, far, far more responsible than any of the Birthers in his handling of the facts and if you actually read his blog you’d known this.

    This is a definite failing of yours, I’m sorry to say. In your zeal to try and find what you perceive as “hypocrisies” you’re often willing to overlook key pieces of information to try and link unrelated things.

    You need to work on this.

  • http://twitter.com/jtLOL ‘Jim’ ‘Treacher’

    It’s the same variant of rabies that doesn’t allow them to see the obvious truth that Sarah Palin is not Trig’s mother.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EW3TFGWPPF6D4ZHMDPF6YODVXA Stinky

    Those darn CNN-ers took it easy on Sully. Too bad the hard-hitting “journalists” at Faux couldn’t have a go at at him!

    Oh, wait…what’s this?…they won’t even let appear on their shows?!?!?

  • http://twitter.com/kelly396 kelly murphy

     ”ever watched msnbc” and “the majority of the country”Great example of an oxymoron!!!

  • http://twitter.com/kelly396 kelly murphy

    How do you know she didn’t contact him?  Do you work in her office?  Do you work for Sullivan?  Maybe an interview is in the works, maybe not.  But why do you feel compelled to state something as fact when you have no idea?

  • Anonymous

    1. If she was any kind of journalist, she would have said, “we tried to contact the filmmaker for comment and didn’t get a response” or words to that effect, if they’d actually made the effort.

    2. Sullivan wrote about this extensively on Tuesday. Her producers did not make any contact with him. He’s offered to debate her on the piece and so far her producers have not found time to book him.

    The results speak for themselves.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, both sides of a Möbius strip

  • Anonymous

    That is a bunch of revisionist BS. From the moment anyone questioned his birth place the label “birther” was attached. If you want to go down your own road the Obama birthers said all along that he could release his long form and stop all the “questions”. Remember you’re OK with questions… right? But they were still labeled birthers from the jump.

    Why? Because it was an insulting and demeaning question to ask and the people asking it deserved to be derided and have their motivations for asking those questions pointed out.
    Now you and Sullivan are trying the tried and true “Well I didn’t really do THAT”. BS… you did and he did. He asked those questions when there was NO evidence of Trig being anyone’s else’s child. To have “gone there” was just as revolting. I’m frankly shocked at your callousness on this subject.
    For Sullivan (and yourself) to have smeared Palin and her daughter with these accusations was as vulger as questioning the Presidents rightful birth. Shame on you both. Shame on all birthers. To make excuses for one birther while chastising another is vile.
    This reminds me of Letterman claiming he was joking about the OLDER Paling daughter… one problem… she wasn’t at the ballgame. Her YOUNGER one was. So he was rewriting history to excuse his vulger joke and lying to boot. As both you and Sullivan are doing now.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    The content of the article is irrelevant. Newsweek’s decision makers know that for every person who actually reads the article. 1,000 will only see the cover – which is why they used the crudest language possible. It’s not analysis Newsweek is really interested in, it’s propaganda. What Bob Dylan said about Newsweek 45 years ago was true. Left or right, no sensible person should take the magazine seriously.

  • expatpatriot

    “Reinvention of history” is one way to put it. “Flat-out lying” would be a tad more precise, however.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Wood: Sorry, old boy, but I don’t suffer from mental illness. I suffer having that idiot as president. You all are “dumb” for voting for him.

  • Anonymous

    The PRC is still a communist country, unless you haven’t been reading newspapers recently. I have lived there, so I know.

  • Anonymous

    Obama has done NOTHING to help this country. Good grief. You are really out of touch….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UVHIH4D63XXH2OVBP3BWNV5AEY gin-gin

    Is saying that Obama’s critics are stupid better than saying that they are bigots? You must be one of those people who believes that “we shouldn’t tax the “job-creators,the millionaires.” If they created so many jobs during the last 10 years of the “tax cuts for the rich, why os unemployment so high?” I guess that’s to much logic or truth for some.

  • Anonymous

    If you would stop believing everything Fox and .am hate radio tells you and try to, use independent resources such as factcheck.org among others you will see that you are the one out of touch.

  • Anonymous

    Amusing that you should cite Factcheck.org, funded, of course, by the very liberal Annenberg group, as if they are unbiased. I don’t think so.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous
  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FLRZHV6MRFC6I3NETW6HEYGL7A Thomas

    …….. and in typical leftist fashion, Henry engages in name calling without any facts except his  unilateral prejudice.

    (1)  Name calling.
    (2)  Blame Bush.
    (3)  Claim that anyone opposes Obama is a racist.

    If you ever hear a leftist say something besides that, then listen to them.  They are a rare individual who deserves attention.  Otherwise, they are in the same flock of sheep in which Henry Wood resides.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FLRZHV6MRFC6I3NETW6HEYGL7A Thomas

    You may be correct.  47% of the country pays no income tax, yet they spend time whining about how others should pay their “fair share”.   You are correct that there are a great many people in America who want something for nothing and care little about the future of the country.  But, why would that make someone who loves this country and cares about its future want to be on your side?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FLRZHV6MRFC6I3NETW6HEYGL7A Thomas

    It’s unfair to say they are all
    dumb. Many of them are lazy. There are quite a few who hate America. Then there
    are a great number of racists who voted for him because of the color of his
    skin. There are also intelligent but misguided dreamers who have never held a
    real job such as college professors who voted for him. But, you’re right that
    the rest of them are “dumb”.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FLRZHV6MRFC6I3NETW6HEYGL7A Thomas

    Why would we hate Sully?  He did a fine job of landing that airplane in the Hudson.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHABNQQVGZDROOBLH4ORPBOQ6I William Jamison

    you first, seek456.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHABNQQVGZDROOBLH4ORPBOQ6I William Jamison

    hahaha. so college professors have never “…held a real job…”?

    what’s your job? is it real? tell us.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHABNQQVGZDROOBLH4ORPBOQ6I William Jamison

    we blame bush because he’s guilty.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XHABNQQVGZDROOBLH4ORPBOQ6I William Jamison

    obama belongs on rushmore.

  • Anonymous

    belongs there as what??? a rock? a stone? sagebrush? Certainly not as a president.

  • Anonymous

    Wow! Andrew Sullivan took her apart.  Hi everyone. New to the site. Independent. Coming in “virgin”.  It’s hard to disagree with his arguments. I think one thing republicans forget time and again and no one shouts this:  We are no longer LOSING 700,000 jobs a month. That’s huge. Why don’t republicans address that?  

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5V2TVCBKCM5AED5BEKJHTFF4P4 frecklez

    To Henry Wood: go for it, man!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5V2TVCBKCM5AED5BEKJHTFF4P4 frecklez

    We did not become a country because we were “fighting against abusive capitalism.”  We were fighting to replace rule by monarchs with self-government.  Capitalism didn’t come along until the middle class was able to amass enough wealth (capital) to launch the industrial revolution.  It happened in England first, while we were still farm-boys.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5V2TVCBKCM5AED5BEKJHTFF4P4 frecklez

    You can have a T-shirt that reads: “Get back on board, p***k”
    The U.S. is like the Costa Concordia, resting uneasily on an underwater ledge, about to slip into 300 ft. of cold water with the slightest push from rough waves or wind.  Bush II and his cronies Cheney, Rove, and the Wall Street high-rollers are like Schettino, who got us into this mess and then abandoned ship.  Obama has pulled us back from the brink, but just barely.  One good shove from the GOP will send us over the edge.  Meanwhile, the critics on both left and right are like unruly passengers who refuse to put on their life vests and get into the lifeboats.

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