Maher is a xenophobe who should be roundly condemned.

This is the only subject where Bill makes sense.

“hate-filled holy book”

No virgins for you, Billy. Oh, & I wouldn’t stay in the same place for more than 2 nights in a row.

People should read the Koran for themselves. The book is unbelievably mean, hateful and intolerant. Its the antithesis of Christian new testament which teaches turning the other cheek, love one another, and so on. The Koran is like the old testament, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, kill everyone, and so on, except a lot worse.

david r said:
Maher is a xenophobe who should be roundly condemned.

How is he a xenophobe? I didn’t realize that ALL Muslims are born outside the US.

You ought not stereotype an entire religion.

What about the Crusades?

writer said:
What about the Crusades?

Pretty relevant.

Maher might turn out to be a very, very useful idiot.

writer said:
What about the Crusades?

Is that an Inquisition in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

writer said:
What about the Crusades?

What about the Paleolithic Age?

Will you convert? No, no, no, no.

ordinary said:
People should read the Koran for themselves. The book is unbelievably mean, hateful and intolerant.

That’s probably because it was dictated by a psychopath. Today’s liberals would burn Muhammed at the stake. But that was then and this is now.

Now you’re talking, turk. I was thinking about it just this morning.

writer says:
March 11, 2011 at 11:24 pm (Quote)
What about the Crusades?

What about them? Oh, that was those darn Christians fault, too, eh? Those darn Christians never should have decided to take their land back. They should have just let the Muslims keep the land they stole and murdered everybody living on it and then we never would have had to “dread” the word Crusade being spoken in the Muslim world by a Christian………..

“..we have a feeling Ellison’s appearance on Real Time with Bill Maher tonight will get its share of play as well.”
HAHAHAHA…What planet do you live on? Here and maybe NewsBusters, but that’ll be about it.

The unholy alliance of progressives & muslims, each choosing for the time being to completely ignore what the other stands for, is the most bizarre alliance the world has ever seen.

struckgld, you’re new here and don’t know the rules. Any time anyone says something disparaging about Islam, you have to ask ‘What about the Crusades?’ I’m not really sure why, either. But it has to be done.

Maher better grow a third eye on the back of his head after those comments about the “HOLY” Quran!

Maher should have asked Keith why he could freely leave his christian faith behind him without penalty but the muslim holy book has a name and a death penalty for him if he now chooses to leave the Islam faith.

I’ll let you in on a secret. I tend to make fun of the left. Don’t tell anyone.

writer said:
I’ll let you in on a secret. I tend to make fun of the left. Don’t tell anyone.

I’ll let you in on one, too. You ain’t funny.

To the left, I know I’m not. That’s the idea. I especially like how so many of you lefties get real hateful, in order to tell those on the right how hateful they are. Loads of laughs.

I rarely agree with Maher but do respect his unflinching honesty when giving his opinions and at least he remains consistent in his disgust of religion. Unlike so many on the left who denigrate Christianity as nonchalantly as clearing their throat and then proceed to contort themselves into knots defending Islam, Maher speaks on this issue as bluntly as I’ve ever seen anyone on the left.

No Maher fan, but I agree, Garrcus. At least Maher is consistent and hates them all. He’s not one of those leftists who mocks Christianity, but starts crying if anyone mentions Islam.

struckgld said:
The unholy alliance of progressives & muslims, each choosing for the time being to completely ignore what the other stands for, is the most bizarre alliance the world has ever seen.

They are both totalitarian and they have a lot in common. The problem for liberals is as soon as the Western World is defeated, the Muslims will behead them as the liberals won’t be useful any more.

ordinary said:
People should read the Koran for themselves. The book is unbelievably mean, hateful and intolerant. Its the antithesis of Christian new testament which teaches turning the other cheek, love one another, and so on. The Koran is like the old testament, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, kill everyone, and so on, except a lot worse.

I got this from someone else: There are extremists in every religion and in non religious groups as well.
The big difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity does not call for the killing on Non Christians.

Islam demands the killing of non Muslims.

Hence, when a person calls themself a Christian and commits a terrorist act,they are acting against Christianity. When a person who calls themself a Muslim commits a terrorist act,they are following the teachings of the Qur’an…

Ah Islam…the religion of pieces.

What does the word Islam mean? It means SUBMIT.

From “What is Islam” at http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/islam/blfaq_islam_islam.htm

“Peace is thus not something achieved through mutual respect, compromise, love, or anything similar. Peace is something that exists as a consequence of and in the context of submission or surrender.”

What’s amazing is how strong the Modern Liberal mental disorder is such that they hate and attack Christians, but ignore the true nature of Islam.

Modern Liberalism will be destroyed under Islam.

Look at how many of the left wing posters are always calling people homophobes or misogynist, but when you say that’s describing Islam, you start hearing the crickets chirping.

Word on the street is Tim McVeigh had a Muslim co-conspirator. Kinda changes things if you ask me.

writer said:
What about the Crusades?

What about completing a thought. We can’t hear the voices in your head and it’s not 20 f*cking questions either. What about the invasion of Europe via Spain and Eastern Europe that preceded the crusades.

Severian, I’m sighing like Al Gore right now. See, anytime anyone mentions Islam, the left starts saying ‘What about the Crusades?’

Using that line against the left is losing some of its luster.

Thanks for sharing. Finally. It’s almost like I know you now.

What a relief. I hated to give it up. I’d feel like Seinfeld giving up “Helllooooo”.

Wow, have to admit being a Dem conservative, my jaw dropped with what Bill Maher was pushing.

Can’t complain as I agree with it but just weird agreeing with Bill Maher….heh

The earthquake in Japan kinda wiped today’s hearings off the map.

Did Bill ask Ellis why he lied under oath?

QUINCY —

It was a routine call for Quincy police about two homeless men fighting. Hussain Al-Hussaini was arrested. The victim was taken to the hospital.

Then came the surprise. Readers commenting on a story about Wednesday’s arrest on The Patriot Ledger’s website noted that a man with the same name was mentioned prominently in a book about the deadly bombing of an Oklahoma City federal building in 1995.

Read more: Author links man arrested in Quincy to the subject of her book on Oklahoma City bombing – Quincy, MA – The Patriot Ledger http://www.patriotledger.com/archive/x1777801225/Author-links-man-arrested-in-Quincy-to-the-subject-of-her-book-on-Oklahoma-City-bomb-ing#ixzz1GMT0Vefl

Ellison, of course, disagreed, saying Maher was “lumping together things that shouldn’t be lumped together,” and that terrorists “take things out of context to do what they want to do”

Wth are they taking out of context? The terrorists are emulating the life of Muhammad and are trying to follow in his footsteps.

How does the left think they will benefit by coddling terrorists? It’s baffling to me.

Ellison, of course, disagreed, saying Maher was “lumping together things that shouldn’t be lumped together,” and that terrorists “take things out of context to do what they want to do” – in fact, that “terrorist rhetoric” has little to do with religion at all.

Who the hell could take this out of context?:

“muhammad said who will rid me of”

Pablo said:
Maher might turn out to be a very, very useful idiot.

That’s if he doesn’t now have a fatwa on his head. I think thing’s are going to be getting pretty ugly when word gets out that he called the Koran “hate filled”. We’re going to have to stand with him.

struckgld said:
Maher should have asked Keith why he could freely leave his christian faith behind him without penalty but the muslim holy book has a name and a death penalty for him if he now chooses to leave the Islam faith.

The reason why Ellison left Christianity is contained right here:

Ellison, who was raised Catholic, said he was drawn to Islam initially due to a message of “inclusion and “social justice,”

“Social justice”…which means “F you Whitey”.

Converting from Christianity to Islam is the ultimate flip-flop. I wonder what his parents think?

bohratom said:
Wow, have to admit being a Dem conservative

A Dem Conservative? You’re almost as bad as me…an Oxy Con.

Alz said:
I got this from someone else: There are extremists in every religion and in non religious groups as well.
The big difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity does not call for the killing on Non Christians.

Islam demands the killing of non Muslims.

Hence, when a person calls themself a Christian and commits a terrorist act,they are acting against Christianity. When a person who calls themself a Muslim commits a terrorist act,they are following the teachings of the Qur’an…

Here’s a handy dandy guide comparing Jesus and Muhammad. A question I like to ask people is, “Who would you rather have living next door to you, Jesus or Muhammad (you know what happens when you piss off Muhammad)?”

http://carm.org/religious-movements/islam/comparison-between-jesus-and-muhammad

Alz said:
What does the word Islam mean? It means SUBMIT.

From “What is Islam” at http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/islam/blfaq_islam_islam.htm

“Peace is thus not something achieved through mutual respect, compromise, love, or anything similar. Peace is something that exists as a consequence of and in the context of submission or surrender.”

What’s amazing is how strong the Modern Liberal mental disorder is such that they hate and attack Christians, but ignore the true nature of Islam.

Modern Liberalism will be destroyed under Islam.

OK

Right/Left
Agree/Disagree

If you are going to refute a religion, don’t do it with links to an atheist blog.
I’ve been to his site before, and can link to disparaging comments about any religion.

Ellison=illiberal liberal

Do dyslexic atheists believe in DOG?

I don’t know how I feel about this one, as an atheist I don’t really care for religion but it seems like Maher is generalizing about more than a billion people, in several different countries. He is right about Islam being at odds with the west for a thousand years though. Maher is xenophobic though and repeating things like Muslims are “the greatest threat”… before 9/11 this kind of talk was not acceptable and no muslims have attacked us since 9/11.. I’m afraid this is all just paranoid xenophobia like someone else stated.. When was the last big muslim attack huh? 9/11 and it was one of our allies, Saudia Arabia, who citizens decided to attack us.

Not all muslims attacked us… I think people are falling for the idea that Muslims are evil people… but they are just humans like any of us and most don’t follow the hateful parts of the koran, just like christians don’t follow the things in the bible that say to kill your neighbor if thye’re working on sunday… Maher is just not familiar enough with Islam, in my opinion. 99% don’t want to attack us, they want to be left alone just like us, it’s the crazy 1% that is giving them a bad name. People should be calmer and smarter when they have a platform like maher :-x

Lover said:
Word on the street is Tim McVeigh had a Muslim co-conspirator.

Word on the street.

Kinda like Chris Coons had a gay lover, but you didn’t hear it from me.

Meanwhile, Dennis Rader the BTK killer was a devout Christian
He had been a member for about 30 years and had been elected president[7] of the Congregation Council.
not word on the street.

Random
do better

Newt Limbaugh said:
If you are going to refute a religion, don’t do it with links to an atheist blog.

Well, how about a video from one site and a writeup referencing the incident from ABC with a very cler statement re the law under Islam.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/20/3097143.htm

“Sudanese president Omar al Bashir says the country’s north will reinforce its Islamic law after a referendum expected to grant independence to the south.

“If south Sudan secedes, we’ll change the constitution. There will be no question of cultural or ethnic diversity,” he said in a speech aired on national television.

“Sharia will be the only source of the constitution, and Arabic the only official language………………………………………..
In a speech punctuated by religious references, Mr Bashir also defended the way the authorities have dealt with the case of a young woman whose whipping by police appeared in a YouTube video.

“There are people who say they feel ashamed about this sentence,” he said.

“They should review their interpretation of Islam because sharia has always stipulated that one must whip, cut, or kill.”

ABC didn’t have the video but it has many hits. You can see it here, if you have the stomach for the whole thing that is:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8639

Just scroll down a page or two for the video.

There may be a few, maybe hundreds, of cults grounded in Chrisianty that approach or equal what this one incident demonstrates.

However, there is not one government that is based upon Judeo Christian or either one standing alone that bears any resemblance to what this shows and what we know constitutes many Islamic governments such as Iran and Saudi Arabia.

I am anxious to hear anything from anyone who maintains that there is a moral, philosophical or judicial equivalency between governments based on the two different religions.

What Ellison doesn’t tell Maher is that the “There is NO Compulsion in Religion” HAS BEEN NULL AND VOID and is not followed by Muslims. It has been ABROGATED.

There is a thing called Abrogation in Islam that says if something comes later it nullifies old suras or verses in the Qu’ran; the ‘no compulsion in religion’ HAS BEEN NULLIFIED and abrogated by newer verses that say that Islam is the only religion to be practiced in the land and others have to pay tax or forced to convert…atheists are to be killed.

Then that sura “if you kill someone it’s like you killed a whole…blah, blah, blah” in the Quran is a story about Jews in the Qu’ran and what THEY believed…IT WAS NOT ABOUT THE MUSLIMS.

So Ellison is ether LYING or does not know his own religion;

There is no compulsion in religion explained;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAo1Ra-vvkA

Abrogation in Islam;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY

There is a methodology in reading the Qu’ran and that is something that Ellison is not telling you, it’s called ABROGATION.

It’s called AL TAQQIYA. or ignorance of your religion.

Elllison either does not know his own religion or he is lying.

Know what ABROGATION means when understanding the Qu’ran.

That is why Muslims are attacking non-Muslims and is NOT a religion of peace.

Here….learn about Islam and ABROGATION very quickly;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUY

Islam has NOT been hi-jacked by Jihadist….they are following the methodology of Islam and Ellison is ether ignorant of Islam or lying to Bill Maher and YOU.

Learn about “There is no compulsion in religion”, and what happened to that passage in the Quran, quickly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAo1Ra-vvkA

Keep yourself informed and don’t trust what Ellison is telling you.

Your’e 300 times likely to get killed in random gun violence than a terrorists attack. All King is doing is spewing out McCarthy type fear tactics to get people distracted while the bankers and other criminals get away with destroying the economy.

Yoda002 said:
Your’e 300 times likely to get killed in random gun violence than a terrorists attack. All King is doing is spewing out McCarthy type fear tactics to get people distracted while the bankers and other criminals get away with destroying the economy.

You’re side is 300x more likely to pass gun legislation too! And other crap like food legislation, nanny state smoking legislation, speech codes on college campuses, helmet legislation, cyber bullying legislation, steroid in baseball legislation and trophies for everybody. Just to name a few….

You’re side is, as Frank Zappa called liberals-Central Scrutinizers. Your side tries to protect the individual from himself.

I wish I was still naive enough to believe in a simple worldview like that where every bad guy is a rich corporate fat cat trying to sell you Wal-Mart brand cookies for 40cents cheaper than the local grocer!

Garrcus said:
I rarely agree with Maher but do respect his unflinching honesty when giving his opinions and at least he remains consistent in his disgust of religion. Unlike so many on the left who denigrate Christianity as nonchalantly as clearing their throat and then proceed to contort themselves into knots defending Islam, Maher speaks on this issue as bluntly as I’ve ever seen anyone on the left.

Have to agree. Hats off to him for being consistent.

Subrogation? From who? Who is going to pass the new :word down? That guy with the bomb attached to his body? Is there some direct line to Mohammed? It must be nice to make up or change the rules as you go along.Christians would never make things up or change things to better suit their beliefs….oh wait! They do!Both books are full of hatred, intolerance, brutality, evil, and contradictions.So glad to be an Atheist.

Snowspot said:
I don’t know how I feel about this one, as an atheist I don’t really care for religion but it seems like Maher is generalizing about more than a billion people,

Of course you don’t. Your liberal mind isn’t equipped to deal with it. On the one hand, they’re religious – just like Christians! Scary! On the other, they’re a minority – criticizing them is racist and wrong and racist! Did I mention it’s raaaaaaacist?

So in all your fretting over the obvious racism on display here, you seem to miss – as you always do – the obligatory part where Maher says it’s not all Muslims who are the problem, just the extremists. And then you come on here and point out that, hey, not all Muslims attacked us! Just some extremists did! What an important contribution you’ve made. Well done, good and faithful dhimmi.

Severian said:
What about completing a thought. We can’t hear the voices in your head and it’s not 20 f*cking questions either. What about the invasion of Europe via Spain and Eastern Europe that preceded the crusades.

No, that came after the first Crusade. It was the invasion of the Christian Kingdoms in the Middle East that sparked the Crusades. The Crusades were a counter-attack.

Maher’s smackdown was very welcome indeed. While the “vast, vast giant majority of Muslims aren’t the problem,” the real problem is that this ‘vast majority’ plays a pacifist role when it comes to denouncing the violent, terrorizing ones. How vocal has Ellison been when it comes to denouncing radical Islam? A lot? Not at all? That’s the problem. He can either break down in childish sobs on-camera, or he can DO SOMETHING.

Islam is many things… “inclusion and social justice” are not at the top of my list, as amatter of fact it is not on any list I would use to desribe it.

RichS said:
No, that came after the first Crusade. It was the invasion of the Christian Kingdoms in the Middle East that sparked the Crusades. The Crusades were a counter-attack.

Those conquests came before the Crusades, too. Muslims invaded the Iberian peninsula in 711, and Georgia in 735 or so; the First Crusade wasn’t until 1096.

Severian didn’t pick up on writer’s sarcasm because, sadly, too many people bring up the Crusades as if they’re making a serious argument by doing so.

Very strange. When Fox News even mentions the word “Muslim”, the left wing crawls out of their rat hole and wets their panties.

Hypocrisy much?

turk281 said:
You’re side is 300x more likely to pass gun legislation too! And other crap like food legislation, nanny state smoking legislation, speech codes on college campuses, helmet legislation, cyber bullying legislation, steroid in baseball legislation and trophies for everybody. Just to name a few…. You’re side is, as Frank Zappa called liberals-Central Scrutinizers. Your side tries to protect the individual from himself. I wish I was still naive enough to believe in a simple worldview like that where every bad guy is a rich corporate fat cat trying to sell you Wal-Mart brand cookies for 40cents cheaper than the local grocer!

I don’t think anyone is naive enough to believe that is the liberal worldview either. You’ve been watching too much fox.

TheEagle said:
I don’t think anyone is naive enough to believe that is the liberal worldview either.

That isn’t naive, that’s sentient.

“The emotion shown by Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) at Rep. Peter King’s (R-NY) Muslim radicalization hearings”

What did act have to do with anything? It was a transparent appeal to emotion being used as deflection. It had NOTHING to do with anything. Nobody is going after Muslims. They’re going after EXTREME Muslims. Just like when the government goes after extreme Christians like the KKK.

david r said:
Maher is a xenophobe who should be roundly condemned.

Frankly, its you folks who seem to be xenophobic of anyone who’s opinion differs from yours.

BatBoy said:
Islam is many things… “inclusion and social justice” are not at the top of my list, as amatter of fact it is not on any list I would use to desribe it.

“inclusion and social justice”

If so, why are so many Muslim countries ruled by dictators that keep their people poor and oppressed?

Yoda002 says:
March 12, 2011 at 3:22 am (Quote)
Your’e 300 times likely to get killed in random gun violence than a terrorists attack.

Yoda002, you’r 900 times as likely to read random made up statistics on a blog than to be killed in random gun violence – that is a fact. Check it yourself Yoda002..

If Maher REALLY wants to make a point he should flash a cartoonish caricature of Muhammed on the air….

Betting even Maher doesn’t dare go THAT far….the Muslim nuts would wipe out his entire family right down to 2nd cousins.

DURHAM, N.H. — Rick Santorum on Friday asserted that Sharia law has no place in America.

“Sharia law is incompatible with American jurisprudence and our Constitution.”

Santorum, invoking New York Rep. Peter King’s hearing this week on the alleged radicalization of American Muslims, said that the “vast majority” of Muslims don’t want to it either.

“They left because of Sharia law,” he said, referring to why many Muslim immigrants indicate they left their home countries to come to the United States.

So, did Maher call Ellison on the story he told at thehearings, and crying about something that wasn’t really true? Or did Ellison get away with that because he is a democrat?

I eagerly await Jon Stewart’s mocking of Ellison for crying over a made up story……but, I guess I’ll be waiting a long long long long long long time.

Ellison needs a refund on his acting lessons .

http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/11/the-tears-of-a-clown/

Personally, I am offended by the practice of islam in the US. Sharia law isn’t only practiced by radical muslims, but by many right here in the US, who appear to be ‘peaceloving’ citizens. The father who ran over his daughter, for being too ‘Americanized’, is a perfect example of why islam should be banned from the US. Islam is the typical [man-made], anti-woman, anti-gay, religion, which has no place in modern civilized nations. The less than 20% of the far left radicals in the US, who support the practice of islam, are actually idiots. Islam allows the murder and torture of gays, as well as the treatment of women, as second-class citizens. Why would the far left defend these practices, except as a tool? Last, but not least, the 80% of Americans who are offended by the political correctness of the far left, need to realize that the far left are as much an enemy of the US, as the followers of radical islam. Starting today, Americans need to treat the far left as the enemy of the US and stop allowing them to use ‘PC’ as a tool, in order to intimidate the 80% majority of Americans. Get rid of the far left voices, then, islam will eventually be treated as the unlawful practice it actually is, according to the US Constitution.

Pablo said:
That isn’t naive, that’s sentient.

No it is not.

Even Maher gets it right once every ten years.

Religion is the dumbest thing you can do with your mind.

We need to stop tapdancing around people’s belief in bullsht with “respect.”
We sure don’t back off when arguing about science or politics.
Why should irrational beliefs be treated with such a “hands off” attitude?

The Bible is a mishmash of contradiction; the Quran is a hodgepodge of self-aggrandizement.
The emperor has no clothes.
Time to grow up.

gordonbloyershow says:
March 12, 2011 at 9:30 am
Even Maher gets it right once every ten years.

Unlike you Blower who never, ever get is.

Well, even a broken clock is right once a day. Twice, if you have a pussy civilian clock.

newzmaker said:
The father who ran over his daughter, for being too ‘Americanized’, is a perfect example of why islam should be banned from the US

See, but the liberals won’t allow this to be reported much. We will ALWAYS have to be vigilant and call out the liberals for their alliance with the Muslims.

Yoda002 said:
Your’e 300 times likely to get killed in random gun violence than a terrorists attack. All King is doing is spewing out McCarthy type fear tactics to get people distracted while the bankers and other criminals get away with destroying the economy.

Dummy, go read about what is happening to Europe: Islamification. It’s not a statistical issue of getting killed but a numerical issue of being overwhelmed.

The crocodile tears of Keith Ellison, actually made me snicker a bit. The mistreatment of the muslim Ellison was sobbing over, was nothing more than a fabrication. No one is even aware of the alleged mistreatment of the muslim mentioned by Ellison, except Ellison. What’s hiscrying game? LOL.

Scott Heckman said:
Unlike you Blower who never, ever get is.

Would you like to put that in English. You ignorance and got in the way of your fingers. Quit drooling and foaming at the mouth.

*his crying. We need an edit option here.

Yoda002 said:
Your’e 300 times likely to get killed in random gun violence than a terrorists attack. All King is doing is spewing out McCarthy type fear tactics to get people distracted while the bankers and other criminals get away with destroying the economy.

Continuing from my previous post, see:
http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1310&Itemid=26

Excerpts:

“All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The danger I see looming is the scenario of America as the last man standing. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe. In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: who lost Europe?”

“The Europe you know is changing. You have probably seen the landmarks. The Eiffel Tower and Trafalgar Square and Rome’s ancient buildings and maybe the canals of Amsterdam. They are still there. And they still look very much the same as they did a hundred years ago.”

“But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world, a world very few visitors see – and one that does not appear in your tourist guidebook. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration. All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighbourhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It’s the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corner. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighbourhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe. These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe, street by street, neighbourhood by neighbourhood, city by city.”

Click the link and read the whole thing.

newzmaker said:
Personally, I am offended by the practice of islam in the US. Sharia law isn’t only practiced by radical muslims, but by many right here in the US, who appear to be ‘peaceloving’ citizens. The father who ran over his daughter, for being too ‘Americanized’, is a perfect example of why islam should be banned from the US. Islam is the typical [man-made], anti-woman, anti-gay, religion, which has no place in modern civilized nations. The less than 20% of the far left radicals in the US, who support the practice of islam, are actually idiots. Islam allows the murder and torture of gays, as well as the treatment of women, as second-class citizens. Why would the far left defend these practices, except as a tool? Last, but not least, the 80% of Americans who are offended by the political correctness of the far left, need to realize that the far left are as much an enemy of the US, as the followers of radical islam. Starting today, Americans need to treat the far left as the enemy of the US and stop allowing them to use ‘PC’ as a tool, in order to intimidate the 80% majority of Americans. Get rid of the far left voices, then, islam will eventually be treated as the unlawful practice it actually is, according to the US Constitution.

nice plan adolf, we should just “get rid of” those radical voices that preach “congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
i’m pretty offended by catholicism and the bible that preaches anti-woman, anti-gay practice and has been used to say it’s ok if american troops die because of our inclusion of homosexuals.

i’m really offended by the radical catholics predilection of pedophilia and think we should start hearing on all catholics and ask why they allow the radical practice by these sick bastards. when jesus said “whoever receives one child like this in my name receives me.” i don’t think that was what he was talking about.

We sure do. It should have been to…..Scott, YOUR ignorance got in the way of your fingers.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i’m really offended

Your offened when you get up in the morning and you find out this country is still FREE.

Alz said:
See, but the liberals won’t allow this to be reported much. We will ALWAYS have to be vigilant and call out the liberals for their alliance with the Muslims.

Gay activists, especially the ones on MSNBC, look like idiots for defending islam. We’ll never see Rachel Maddow, though, go to Pakistan, in order to promote gay rights. LOL.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
nice plan adolf, we should just “get rid of” those radical voices that preach “congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
i’m pretty offended by catholicism and the bible that preaches anti-woman, anti-gay practice and has been used to say it’s ok if american troops die because of our inclusion of homosexuals.

i’m really offended by the radical catholics predilection of pedophilia and think we should start hearing on all catholics and ask why they allow the radical practice by these sick bastards. when jesus said “whoever receives one child like this in my name receives me.” i don’t think that was what he was talking about.

You are blinded. Catholics don’t support those problems; Jihad is a feature of Islam. Why is it so difficult for you to see?

Remember, not all cultures are “equal.”

I think it goes back to some liberals being “multiculturalists”. The issue is if you are a multiculturalist, how can you say that one culture is better than the other? Normal people can use logic and reason to discern what is right, but liberals limit themselves and hate logic and reason.

This doesn’t surprise me one bit. The alliance between US liberals and Muslim extremists exists only because both groups hate George Bush and much of what America stands for. Beyond that, there is no common ground, and many area of conflict and disagreement. And given the Left’s growing dislike of religion in recent decades, Maher is simply stating what many liberals no doubt believe.

newzmaker said:
Gay activists, especially the ones on MSNBC, look like idiots for defending islam. We’ll never see Rachel Maddow, though, go to Pakistan, in order to promote gay rights. LOL.

You are exactly right. I’ve pointed this out a few times and and it should be repeated over and over again.

When Ahmadinejad came to New York to speak over the past few years, you would have thought that the gay community would have gone berserk and would have staged protests. Instead, there was silence.

When you couple the liberal support for the Ground Zero Victory Mosque, you can see that there is an alliance between the liberals and the Islamists.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
nice plan adolf, we should just “get rid of” those radical voices that preach “congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”i’m pretty offended by catholicism and the bible that preaches anti-woman, anti-gay practice and has been used to say it’s ok if american troops die because of our inclusion of homosexuals. i’m really offended by the radical catholics predilection of pedophilia and think we should start hearing on all catholics and ask why they allow the radical practice by these sick bastards. when jesus said “whoever receives one child like this in my name receives me.” i don’t think that was what he was talking about.

I’m not here to promote any religion on a message board. I do, however, have a problem with liberals like you, who will defend islam, which allows the torture and mistreatment of women and gays. Liberalism is a mental disorder, which must be quashed from all civilized societies.

since when is “Ala Ac bar” Polictical It sounds ideological
to me! What a fool this Congressman is “Social Injustuce” tell that to the women who are beheaded or stoned,You big slobbering fool “WE ARE NOT FOOLED” Uk are even waking up

I think if Liberals wake up we will have our country back!!

Alz said:
You are exactly right. I’ve pointed this out a few times and and it should be repeated over and over again. When Ahmadinejad came to New York to speak over the past few years, you would have thought that the gay community would have gone berserk and would have staged protests. Instead, there was silence. When you couple the liberal support for the Ground Zero Victory Mosque, you can see that there is an alliance between the liberals and the Islamists.

Liberals will use any ‘minority’ group as a tool, to shut up the majority of Americans, hopefully, in order to gain the upper hand. In reality, though, liberals have as much as interaction with minority groups, as they do with Conservative Christians, which is as little as possible.

Alright , well done, Minnesota!

No American woman would put with what Muslim dames do . When Muslim chicks rise up and put a stop to the barbarism , the world will be a lot more peaceful .
Women are tough . Think about Tiger Woods’ wife chasing him down the driveway with a five iron when she realized what he was doing . Tiger had a one car wreck and has not won a thing since . Karma , baby .

Defending religion is the basic error made by both the right and the left. Just like unicorns and other fables, religion should have no place in rational 21st century thought.

BadGenome said:
Those conquests came before the Crusades, too. Muslims invaded the Iberian peninsula in 711, and Georgia in 735 or so; the First Crusade wasn’t until 1096. Severian didn’t pick up on writer’s sarcasm because, sadly, too many people bring up the Crusades as if they’re making a serious argument by doing so.

My apologies. That is what I get for relying on my memory instead of checking the facts before opening my mouth and inserting my foot.

newzmaker said:
I’m not here to promote any religion on a message board. I do, however, have a problem with liberals like you, who will defend islam, which allows the torture and mistreatment of women and gays. Liberalism is a mental disorder, which must be quashed from all civilized societies.

i have a problem with all religion. t think it is all a crock of shit that was originally meant to comfort the scared and simple minded but evolved into a life style.
it’s because we live in such a great country that it doesn’t matter whether i disagree with it or not and it’s because of that freedom that i have come to know some very smart people who have shared the beauty in the philosophy of different practices of religion.
i still don’t believe in the practicality of it, but i would never think of “getting rid of” as you put it, voices for or against the practice of someones religion.

Emma said:
Defending religion is the basic error made by both the right and the left. Just like unicorns and other fables, religion should have no place in rational 21st century thought.

I think most human beings find there is nothing wrong with any religion and people worshipping, as long as it doesn’t require you to stone your sister, run down your daughter, slice your wife’s throat or hang your queer cousin.

Oh, I forgot flying planes into buildings and strapping C-4 on your body when ya grocery shop.

gordonbloyershow said:
Your offened when you get up in the morning and you find out this country is still FREE.

it must be brilliant statements like this that have people running to your youtube sham..i mean show.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
it must be brilliant statements like this that have people running to your youtube sham..i mean show.

Gordon Blows is such an erudite and thoughtful individual, I’m sure he considers being in the Guinness World Records for most pork rinds ingested in a single drunken night, a “win”.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i have a problem with all religion. t think it is all a crock of shit that was originally meant to comfort the scared and simple minded but evolved into a life style.it’s because we live in such a great country that it doesn’t matter whether i disagree with it or not and it’s because of that freedom that i have come to know some very smart people who have shared the beauty in the philosophy of different practices of religion.i still don’t believe in the practicality of it, but i would never think of “getting rid of” as you put it, voices for or against the practice of someones religion.

Oh, please. Personally, I am all for freedom of religion. Imo, however, islam is an evil cult, and liberals are morons for defending islam. Most religions have evolved with time, but not islam. Followers of islam have no place in America or Europe. They are a total nuisance to all nonmuslims.

I posted this pages ago and invited comments.

Unless I missed it I haven’t seen anyone address this:

Well, how about a video from one site and a writeup referencing the incident from ABC with a very cler statement re the law under Islam.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/20/3097143.htm

“Sudanese president Omar al Bashir says the country’s north will reinforce its Islamic law after a referendum expected to grant independence to the south.

“If south Sudan secedes, we’ll change the constitution. There will be no question of cultural or ethnic diversity,” he said in a speech aired on national television.

“Sharia will be the only source of the constitution, and Arabic the only official language………………………………………..
In a speech punctuated by religious references, Mr Bashir also defended the way the authorities have dealt with the case of a young woman whose whipping by police appeared in a YouTube video.

“There are people who say they feel ashamed about this sentence,” he said.

“They should review their interpretation of Islam because sharia has always stipulated that one must whip, cut, or kill.”

ABC didn’t have the video but it has many hits. You can see it here, if you have the stomach for the whole thing that is:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8639

Just scroll down a page or two for the video.

There may be a few, maybe hundreds, of cults grounded in Chrisianty that approach or equal what this one incident demonstrates.

However, there is not one government that is based upon Judeo Christian or either one standing alone that bears any resemblance to what this shows and what we know constitutes many Islamic governments such as Iran and Saudi Arabia.

I am anxious to hear anything from anyone who maintains that there is a moral, philosophical or judicial equivalency between governments based on the two different religions.

struckgld said:
The unholy alliance of progressives & muslims, each choosing for the time being to completely ignore what the other stands for, is the most bizarre alliance the world has ever seen.

It’s particularly bizarre given that it’s the liberal lifestyle of the West that the Muslims are so vehemently opposed to, and the justification that they first used for attacking the West.

Still waiting for word of when Rachal Maddow to lead a march of GLBT through the streets of Pakistan…

Alz said:
See, but the liberals won’t allow this to be reported much. We will ALWAYS have to be vigilant and call out the liberals for their alliance with the Muslims.

Really??? Since when?

struckgld said:
Still waiting for word of when Rachal Maddow to lead a march of GLBT through the streets of Pakistan…

That would priceless now wouldn’t it?

struckgld said:
Still waiting for word of when Rachal Maddow to lead a march of GLBT through the streets of Pakistan…

Why should she? She lives in America, not in Pakistan.

newzmaker said:
Oh, please. Personally, I am all for freedom of religion. Imo, however, islam is an evil cult, and liberals are morons for defending islam. Most religions have evolved with time, but not islam. Followers of islam have no place in America or Europe. They are a total nuisance to all nonmuslims.

Does anyone know how many Roman Catholic Church exist in Saudi Arabia?

TheEagle said:
Why should she? She lives in America, not in Pakistan.

Because she’s a huge defender of Muslim peoples, and womens rights and of course gay rights. One would think a true activist (to be believable) would be uniform in condemning, protesting and leading the fight against these intolerances where they actually exist, rather than sit comfortably in a $5 million manhattan condo and pontificate.

RichS said:
Does anyone know how many Roman Catholic Church exist in Saudi Arabia?

According to data from the Catholic Web portal AsiaNews.it there are estimated to be more than 1 million Roman Catholics in Saudi Arabia, most of them Filipino workers without citizenship.[1] It is estimated that at least 5% of Saudi Arabia is Christian, though some of these people do not have permanent residence.

Saudi Arabia allows Roman Catholics and Christians of other denominations to enter the country as foreign workers for temporary work, but does not allow them to practise their faith openly, and as a result Roman Catholics and Christians of other denominations generally only worship in secret within private homes[2]. Items and articles belonging to religions other than Islam are prohibited[3]. These include Bibles, crucifixes, statues, carvings, items with religious symbols, and others[4].

according to wiki

The most interesting part of the discussion to me was that Bill Maher admitted he had not read the Koran. He had only read someones commentary on the Koran. That was an incredibly ignorant statement by Maher and reflects the lack of intelectual rigor found among so many Americans.

Ellison is lying, and perhaps lying to himself. The more peaceful verses of the Koran are superseded by the violent latter elements. Poll after poll in Muslim nations show support for atrocities against the West and Christians. And the great silence of the Muslim masses concerning condemning terrorism speaks volumes, either of their own beliefs or of the coercion of Muslim societies.

Ellison can try, but he cannot erase the historical record of Islam’s founder, upon whom all this human woe is patterned. Social justice? Which culture is the only one that to this day countenances slavery?

The list in inexhaustible. I give Maher serious points for his line of questioning, but even he conceded too much credit to a supposed “vast, vast, giant” proportion of non-terrorist Muslims. Radical Islam is on the move, devouring individuals and nations in it path. Do not be fooled.

Grammie said:
sharia has always stipulated that one must whip, cut, or kill.”

The time for being politically correct when it comes to sharia law is over . Immigrants to this country don’t get to establish their own law , which is what they are doing . In Europe , countries bent over backward to allow this practice . They realize what a mistake that was . Merkel , Cameron and Sarkozy are pushing back on it now . Sharia compliant banks , restaurants ,etc. needed to be shunned until they halt their acquiesence to this nonsense .
Melvin Bledsoe’s testimony (and the other two witnesses’ stories ) was important and shocking . No real coverage of that . Ellison bawling ? That’s the news . The Democrats complaining about not looking into other types of terrorists were repeating Muslim Brotherhood talking points .

Muslims, if they ever had a decent religion perverted it, when the dictators took hold of their countries and used the Ko’ran to control the men from rising up and over throwing the despots. The despots gave the Imam power with the dictum to teach the men that they have complete control over their women; they can have as many wives as they can afford and they can sexually abuse children. And these uneducated, poor, opium sucking all-powerful weak want to be fell hook line and sinker and are forever controlled by these freaks

Not only do they follow a false god, but the god they follow has apparently made a malfunction in the creation of women. Apparently their god created females with a clitoris and according to those uncivilized Muslims that will never do.

So they take it upon themselves to rip out the female clitoris with their filthy razors and dull knives, if that were not enough, some even sew up the entry to the vagina of young girls so they will pure virgins for these male barbaric when they marry these girls at the age of nine or less.

The followers of this corrupted and shameful religion will never have respect in the world community!

O’Reilly should have that body language chick tell us about Ellison’s body language.

“I was interested in Social Justice.”

Translation: “I’m a Commie.”

Other terrorists , Bill? Try abortionists.

I was hoping Ellison would burst into tears again, so we could all laugh.

Big Eddie said:
Grammie said:
sharia has always stipulated that one must whip, cut, or kill.”

The time for being politically correct when it comes to sharia law is over .

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The truly horrifying part of that statement is that it was made by the sitting president of an Islamic government. Taken in toto it is a chilling indictment of the system that so many countries under islamic governance enforce.

It bears repeating:

“Sudanese president Omar al Bashir says the country’s north will reinforce its Islamic law after a referendum expected to grant independence to the south.

“If south Sudan secedes, we’ll change the constitution. There will be no question of cultural or ethnic diversity,” he said in a speech aired on national television.

“Sharia will be the only source of the constitution, and Arabic the only official language………………………………………..

In a speech punctuated by religious references, Mr Bashir also defended the way the authorities have dealt with the case of a young woman whose whipping by police appeared in a YouTube video.

“There are people who say they feel ashamed about this sentence,” he said.

“They should review their interpretation of Islam because sharia has always stipulated that one must whip, cut, or kill.”

Again, I ask for more comments on both the video and the reaction of the President of an Islamic country.

At least Bill Maher is consistent. He’s equally critical of all religions.

“Defending religion is the basic error made by both the right and the left. Just like unicorns and other fables, religion should have no place in rational 21st century thought.”

Ah, so some jerkoff thinks they are the arbiters of what others are allowed to think.

Here’s a clue, cupcake. Nobody gives a crap about your intolerant and shallow views.

bobmoses said:
“Defending religion is the basic error made by both the right and the left. Just like unicorns and other fables, religion should have no place in rational 21st century thought.”

Ah, so some jerkoff thinks they are the arbiters of what others are allowed to think.

Here’s a clue, cupcake. Nobody gives a crap about your intolerant and shallow views.

Explain to me how religion, based on fables and false narratives should guide us politically in the 21st century?

Emma said:
Explain to me how religion, based on fables and false narratives should guide us politically in the 21st century?

Ask BHO, dear!

Conservatives don’t seem to get it.

Most liberals I know don’t care for the more conservative aspects of Islam (i.e.- the role of women, etc).

We tend to defend Muslims less out of sympathy for their beliefs and more from our own belief in a pluralistic society.

America is (and should be) a place where people are free to practice (or not practice) their religion as they see fit. The separation of church and state is essential to promoting a more vigorous dialogue about faith.

Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are simply three different ways of describing the same thing.

It’s so silly when members of any of these faiths try to act like their faith is so different from the others.

They all have very similar beliefs…the only real difference is in the phrasing.

All of these faiths have both militant and pacifist wings….and all of these faiths have both liberal and conservative wings.

mibwilso said:
Conservatives don’t seem to get it.

Maher is not a conservative, son.

mibwilso said:
We tend to defend Muslims less out of sympathy for their beliefs and more from our own belief in a pluralistic society.

No one is against pluralism,but I hope most are against those who systematic destroy innocent life in the name of their faith.

mibwilso said:
America is (and should be) a place where people are free to practice (or not practice) their religion as they see fit.

It already is.

mibwilso said:
They all have very similar beliefs…the only real difference is in the phrasing.

I have yet to hear either Christians or Jews call for the destruction of another’s homeland.

Resistance Is Futile said:
The most interesting part of the discussion to me was that Bill Maher admitted he had not read the Koran. He had only read someones commentary on the Koran. That was an incredibly ignorant statement by Maher and reflects the lack of intelectual rigor found among so many Americans.

The most interesting part of the discussion to me was that Bill Maher admitted he had not read the Koran, the Bible, listened to Fox news or Rush Limbaugh, etc, etc. He had only read someones commentary on the Koran, the Bible, Fox news or Rush Limbaugh, etc etc. That was an incredibly ignorant statement by Maher and reflects the lack of intellectual rigor found among so many liberals.

FIFY

Grammie said:
In a speech punctuated by religious references, Mr Bashir also defended the way the authorities have dealt with the case of a young woman whose whipping by police appeared in a YouTube video.
“There are people who say they feel ashamed about this sentence

How would you like 50 lashes , Bashir ?
Hard , major league , give it all you got lashes .
Not one damn man steps in to strangle the lowlifes doing this .
A child is whipped , and some are laughing .

There is evil walking the Earth .

ordinary said:
People should read the Koran for themselves. The book is unbelievably mean, hateful and intolerant. Its the antithesis of Christian new testament which teaches turning the other cheek, love one another, and so on. The Koran is like the old testament, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, kill everyone, and so on, except a lot worse.

What about the verses Ellison mentioned?

I think Christianity has one advantage that it can technically disavow all the violent instructions in the OT. The NT is much less violent. In fact I have to wonder how Christianity justified so much of its nasty history. I guess keeping the scriptures away from the average person helped.

I read an excellent article right after 9/11 from an American who was born there. He said the corrupt governments themselves held back Arab culture from evolving with the rest of the world. The Saudis in charge encouraged and financed the hateful fundamentalist mosques, and yet, they are our allies,..or is it just financial partners?
I think the reason we see wide spread unrest now is that a new generation is more educated and unwilling to accept the old ways.

mibwilso said:
Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are simply three different ways of describing the same thing.

It’s so silly when members of any of these faiths try to act like their faith is so different from the others.

They all have very similar beliefs…the only real difference is in the phrasing.

All of these faiths have both militant and pacifist wings….and all of these faiths have both liberal and conservative wings.

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Maybe then you will give me your thoughts on this:

.
I posted this pages ago and invited comments.

Unless I missed it I haven’t seen anyone address this:

Well, how about a video from one site and a writeup referencing the incident from ABC with a very cler statement re the law under Islam.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/20/3097143.htm

“Sudanese president Omar al Bashir says the country’s north will reinforce its Islamic law after a referendum expected to grant independence to the south.

“If south Sudan secedes, we’ll change the constitution. There will be no question of cultural or ethnic diversity,” he said in a speech aired on national television.

“Sharia will be the only source of the constitution, and Arabic the only official language………………………………………..
In a speech punctuated by religious references, Mr Bashir also defended the way the authorities have dealt with the case of a young woman whose whipping by police appeared in a YouTube video.

“There are people who say they feel ashamed about this sentence,” he said.

“They should review their interpretation of Islam because sharia has always stipulated that one must whip, cut, or kill.”

ABC didn’t have the video but it has many hits. You can see it here, if you have the stomach for the whole thing that is:

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8639

Just scroll down a page or two for the video.

There may be a few, maybe hundreds, of cults grounded in Chrisianty that approach or equal what this one incident demonstrates.

However, there is not one government that is based upon Judeo Christian or either one standing alone that bears any resemblance to what this shows and what we know constitutes many Islamic governments such as Iran and Saudi Arabia.

I am anxious to hear anything from anyone who maintains that there is a moral, philosophical or judicial equivalency between governments based on the two different religions.

Emma said:
Explain to me how religion, based on fables and false narratives should guide us politically in the 21st century?

Teaching moments, have always fallen short of liberal minds. Hence allowing for history to repeat itself, with the appeasement and rise of evil in the world.

struckgld said:
Those darn Christians never should have decided to take their land back.

So, the Europeans wanted back their land in the Meddle East? That’s an interesting take.

notsofast said:
Maher is not a conservative, son.

No one is against pluralism,but I hope most are against those who systematic destroy innocent life in the name of their faith.

It already is.

Never said Maher was a conservative….I’m referring to wingnuts who attack liberals for defending Islam.

writer said:
struckgld, you’re new here and don’t know the rules. Any time anyone says something disparaging about Islam, you have to ask ‘What about the Crusades?’ I’m not really sure why, either. But it has to be done.

Not me Mr. I like to bring up the Inquisition. Why, you ask? Because NOBODY expects the Inquisition.

Now,…sit in the comfy chair until you confess.

notsofast said:
I have yet to hear either Christians or Jews call for the destruction of another’s homeland.

You are correct, but get ready for the obligatory “jews pushing palestines out” fable again

All 3 faiths, Islam, Christianity, and Judaism have militant wings and pacifist wings.

There are many parts of the all 3 religious texts that could be interpreted as “violent”. Your more extremist Muslims, Christians and Jews will take a more militant interpretation.

Reasonable people of all 3 faiths, however, renounce violence.

http://www.shariah4america.com/‏
This is what they want for America!

All religions are susceptible to abuse and misinterpretation by leaders who use religion as a tool for clinging to power.

I know what you mean, Cosmos. I was arguing with a buddy that everyone should discuss the Crusades every day. That fool was still remembering the Alamo.

CosmosDan said:
So, the Europeans wanted back their land in the Meddle East? That’s an interesting take.

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Along with Spain and the Balkans and Poland and a few others..

mibwilso said:
Never said Maher was a conservative….I’m referring to wingnuts who attack liberals for defending Islam.

I’ll take this one, do you seriously mean to tell me you give a blanket pardon, and have no problem with say, the muslim tv exec that just got convicted for slashing his wifes throat? Sharia sez it’s cool. How about the father on trial in Arizona for running over his daughter? Sharia sez that’s cool.

Ain’t being a muslim cool?

I think some of the examples in the Middle East are prime examples of why we should have separation of church and state.

If you don’t have separation of church and state, one cannot criticize the policies of the government without being accused of heresy.

mibwilso said:
Never said Maher was a conservative….I’m referring to wingnuts who attack liberals for defending Islam.

Maher is attacking the lib Ellison for defending, Islam, so your generalization fails, son.

timzank said:
I’ll take this one, do you seriously mean to tell me you give a blanket pardon, and have no problem with say, the muslim tv exec that just got convicted for slashing his wifes throat? Sharia sez it’s cool. How about the father on trial in Arizona for running over his daughter? Sharia sez that’s cool.

Ain’t being a muslim cool?

Nope. I never said that was cool. I said the opposite. Just because I defend Muslims from stereotyping doesn’t imply that I agree with everything in their faith.

That’s what conservatives just can’t seem to get a grip on: Not all people in a particular faith are the same.

For example, You wouldn’t say that a Southern Baptist Church is the same as a United Church of Christ, would you?? They’re VERY different brands of Christianity. (Neither one is violent, but they are very ideologically different).

jo hoochie said:
http://www.shariah4america.com/‏This is what they want for America!

Holy shi ite…everybody should read that site…

Pablo said:
Today’s liberals would burn Muhammed at the stake.

That’s probably true. We did shoot Joseph Smith, and his brother. And he wasn’t as bad a pedophile as Muhammed.

notsofast said:
Maher is attacking the lib Ellison for defending, Islam, so your generalization fails, son.

How many times do I have to tell you that i”m not talking about Bill Maher??..I’m talking about the larger debate here.

mibwilso said:
That’s what conservatives just can’t seem to get a grip on: Not all people in a particular faith are the same.

OMG- We never knew that, libby. Thanks so much for that insight.

RRKING , inappropriately . This seems like the worst possible thread to post this on . But in my mind , I’m a king , so who cares ? Who’s keeping a record of this ,anyway ? Maher needs a makeover real bad , by the way .

RRKING ® on lost records . I was once considoured for Beautician General of the United States undour Jimmy Carter , but my appointment ran into a major snag . I could not prouduce my records from Joseph’s College of Beauty . In 1954 , there was a terriboule fire , which started in the Makeup Dump . A pallet of eyeliner caught fire first , which spread to the drums of mascara and then to the rouge tanks . All my information was lost , so I could not furnish any certified documents to Washington befoure my confirmation hearings . I coulda been the BG ! I coulda been somebody . I coulda had class … Wait . Who am I kidding ? No chance of that at all . ©

notsofast said:
OMG- We never knew that, libby. Thanks so much for that insight.

The bulk of the comments from the right suggest that you don’t really get it.

As long as you keep insisting that Muslim is, by default, violent…it shows you don’t get it.

You keep pretending as though Al Qaeda and the Taliban speaks for the billions of Muslims in the world.

mibwilso said:
How many times do I have to tell you that i”m not talking about Bill Maher??..I’m talking about the larger debate here.

Son, this post is about what Maher said about Islam – not what conservatives said- and when you say conservatives “don’t get it” the fact is YOU don’t get it. It’s not only conservatives who are concerned about Muslim radicalization so again your generalization fails.

Hey Liberals, read this:

The Islamic Demolition of the Statue of Liberty

One of the founding principles of the Islamic constitution is to ensure that all sovereignty and supremacy belongs solely to God; the Shari’ah is a practical manifestation of this sovereignty and supremacy because it seeks to establish His command in society.

The status of a nation subsequently does not depend on its number, strength or technological advancement, but rather how much it submits to the commands of God. When a nation seeks to be free from such commands, then ultimately it will meet its destruction.

The Statue of Liberty, designed by Frederic Bartholdi, stands on Liberty Island in New York Harbor; representing Libertas, the Roman (false) goddess of Freedom, it is symbolic of the rebellious nature of the US constitution that elevates the command of man over the command of God.

In Islam, the public veneration of idols and statues is strictly prohibited. This has forced sincere Muslims to develop realistic plans that will aid in the removal of the Statue of Liberty.

Due to the scale of the task at hand, it is highly likely that rigorous safety checks will need to be employed before the demolition of the Statue of Liberty can commence; thus as a temporary measure, it is proposed that a large burkha is used to cover the statue, thereby shielding this horrendous eye sore from public view as well as sending a strong message to its French creators.

Post demolition, it is recommended that a minaret be built as a fitting replacement, allowing the glorification of God to be proclaimed daily as well as act as a powerful reminder of the superiority of Islam over all other ways of life.

This is from http://www.shariah4america.com/

Yeah, they just wanna live here for the many “opportunities” huh?

mibwilso said:
As long as you keep insisting that Muslim is, by default, violent…it shows you don’t get it.

Show me where I said that, son?

Why do you just make up stuff? This is about what Maher said.

mibwilso said:
Conservatives don’t seem to get it. Most liberals I know don’t care for the more conservative aspects of Islam (i.e.- the role of women, etc). We tend to defend Muslims less out of sympathy for their beliefs and more from our own belief in a pluralistic society. America is (and should be) a place where people are free to practice (or not practice) their religion as they see fit. The separation of church and state is essential to promoting a more vigorous dialogue about faith.

So if a muslim kills a nonmuslim or a person of the Jewish faith, he/she is simply practicing his religion as he/she sees fit? Like at Fort Hood? I don’t think so. Committing murder in the name of religion is against the law, at least in America. Murdering your daughter because she is too ‘Americanized’ is BS and against the law. Any muslim who practices Sharia law, is not welcome in the US. Actually, I’m sick of hearing about muslims, jihads, Sharia law, and anything muslim-related.

timzank said:
Hey Liberals, read this:

The Islamic Demolition of the Statue of Liberty

One of the founding principles of the Islamic constitution is to ensure that all sovereignty and supremacy belongs solely to God; the Shari’ah is a practical manifestation of this sovereignty and supremacy because it seeks to establish His command in society.

The status of a nation subsequently does not depend on its number, strength or technological advancement, but rather how much it submits to the commands of God. When a nation seeks to be free from such commands, then ultimately it will meet its destruction.

The Statue of Liberty, designed by Frederic Bartholdi, stands on Liberty Island in New York Harbor; representing Libertas, the Roman (false) goddess of Freedom, it is symbolic of the rebellious nature of the US constitution that elevates the command of man over the command of God.

In Islam, the public veneration of idols and statues is strictly prohibited. This has forced sincere Muslims to develop realistic plans that will aid in the removal of the Statue of Liberty.

Due to the scale of the task at hand, it is highly likely that rigorous safety checks will need to be employed before the demolition of the Statue of Liberty can commence; thus as a temporary measure, it is proposed that a large burkha is used to cover the statue, thereby shielding this horrendous eye sore from public view as well as sending a strong message to its French creators.

Post demolition, it is recommended that a minaret be built as a fitting replacement, allowing the glorification of God to be proclaimed daily as well as act as a powerful reminder of the superiority of Islam over all other ways of life.

This is from http://www.shariah4america.com/

Well, yeah, idiot….if you go to “shariah4america.com”, I’m sure you will find plenty of extremist quotes to back up your theories.

Again, you seem to be having a problem differentiating between extremists and non-extremists.

mibwilso said:
The bulk of the comments from the right suggest that you don’t really get it. As long as you keep insisting that Muslim is, by default, violent…it shows you don’t get it. You keep pretending as though Al Qaeda and the Taliban speaks for the billions of Muslims in the world.

What do you have to say to justify what I just posted by http://www.shariah4america.com/ ???

newzmaker said:
Actually, I’m sick of hearing about muslims, jihads, Sharia law, and anything muslim-related.

You might as well get used to it, there goal is to convert you or kill you, plain and simple.

Stands to reason. I mean, Ellison is a hate-filled Lefty pol, right?

newzmaker said:
So if a muslim kills a nonmuslim or a person of the Jewish faith, he/she is simply practicing his religion as he/she sees fit? Like at Fort Hood? I don’t think so. Committing murder in the name of religion is against the law, at least in America. Murdering your daughter because she is too ‘Americanized’ is BS and against the law. Any muslim who practices Sharia law, is not welcome in the US. Actually, I’m sick of hearing about muslims, jihads, Sharia law, and anything muslim-related.

Arguing with you nutjobs is like talking to a brick wall.

NO MURDER iS NOT ACCEPTABLE BY ANYONE. Get that through your skull. How many times do i have to say it?????

Being a believer in your faith isn’t license to be nutty.

You’re having a problem because you keep going back to these examples of wackos.

Abortion clinic bombers don’t speak for all Christians do they???? If not, then neither does the Ft Hood Shooter or Al Qaeda speak for all of Islam.

Jeez…what’s so hard to grasp about that?

timzank said:
What do you have to say to justify what I just posted by http://www.shariah4america.com/ ???

Um, nothing actually, moron. Again, it’s easy to find extremist website to keep copying and pasting from….but they don’t speak for everyone.

http://www.therightscoop.com/islam-and-the-roots-of-african-slavery/

Did Ellison say something about “all races”?

“The Qur’an Is A ‘Hate Filled Holy Book”

So, where is all the liberal outrage? Where’s Sharpton? Where are the world wide protests and riots? The bomb threats? Where is the media hysteria? Where is Obama asking Maher to “listen to those better angels”.
Is Obama going to tell Maher that, “This country has been built on the notion of freedom and religious tolerance.” and “is completely contrary to our values as Americans.”

I seem to recall quite a fall out when some dude no one had ever heard of decided to burn a Qur’an, and yet Bill Maher goes on TV and tells a Muslim member of Congress to his face that “The Qur’an Is A ‘Hate Filled Holy Book” and there is nary a peep?

Huh. Interesting.

notsofast said:
Show me where I said that, son?

Why do you just make up stuff? This is about what Maher said.

All the wingnuts on this blog keep blathering about how Islam is violent. Just read the posts, I’m not making it up.

TfT said:
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So, did Maher call Ellison on the story he told at thehearings, and crying about something that wasn’t really true? Or did Ellison get away with that because he is a democrat?

What exactly did Ellison say that wasn’t true? Was that young man investigated because of his religion before they realized he was killed trying to rescue people? Wasn’t there an article that suggested he might be hiding rather than missing? Everybody loves to repeat that Ellison lied, but what exactly did he lie about?

mibwilso said:
Abortion clinic bombers don’t speak for all Christians do they???? If not, then neither does the Ft Hood Shooter or Al Qaeda speak for all of Islam.

Nobody said they did but apparently in your lib world, that is what you want to hear people saying. I love how you libs proffer an unstated premise and then laboriously and painstakingly take apart that unspoken premise and act as though you have revealed some hitherto unknown truth.

You again fail, son.

mibwilso said:
I think some of the examples in the Middle East are prime examples of why we should have separation of church and state.

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You do realize, or perhaps you don’t, that Islam is unique in that it is based on the totally opposite premise that political structure, laws and customs are all to be governed by Islam.

In short, Islam is the State and the State is Islam.

Just a few months ago the President of Sudan, a modern Islamic government said this:

“Sudanese president Omar al Bashir says the country’s north will reinforce its Islamic law after a referendum expected to grant independence to the south.

“If south Sudan secedes, we’ll change the constitution. There will be no question of cultural or ethnic diversity,” he said in a speech aired on national television.

“Sharia will be the only source of the constitution, and Arabic the only official language………………………………………..

In a speech punctuated by religious references, Mr Bashir also defended the way the authorities have dealt with the case of a young woman whose whipping by police appeared in a YouTube video.

“There are people who say they feel ashamed about this sentence,” he said.

“They should review their interpretation of Islam because sharia has always stipulated that one must whip, cut, or kill.”

mibwilso said:
Arguing with you nutjobs is like talking to a brick wall. NO MURDER iS NOT ACCEPTABLE BY ANYONE. Get that through your skull. How many times do i have to say it????? Being a believer in your faith isn’t license to be nutty. You’re having a problem because you keep going back to these examples of wackos. Abortion clinic bombers don’t speak for all Christians do they???? If not, then neither does the Ft Hood Shooter or Al Qaeda speak for all of Islam. Jeez…what’s so hard to grasp about that?

In America, we, Americans, have no problems with arresting and imprisoning an abortion clinic bomber.

My point is really very direct.

***If abortion clinic bombers don’t represent all Christians, then neither does a terrorist (or a Ft Hood shooter) speak for all Muslims.***

That’s it. Period. Every religion has nutjobs….and every religion has reasonable people.

notsofast said:
Show me where I said that, son?

Why do you just make up stuff? This is about what Maher said.

mibwilso said:

All the wingnuts on this blog keep blathering about how Islam is violent. Just read the posts, I’m not making it up.

Translation: I can’t. I just made it up.”

Grammie said:
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You do realize, or perhaps you don’t, that Islam is unique in that it is based on the totally opposite premise that political structure, laws and customs are all to be governed by Islam.

In short, Islam is the State and the State is Islam.

Just a few months ago the President of Sudan, a modern Islamic government said this:

“Sudanese president Omar al Bashir says the country’s north will reinforce its Islamic law after a referendum expected to grant independence to the south.

“If south Sudan secedes, we’ll change the constitution. There will be no question of cultural or ethnic diversity,” he said in a speech aired on national television.

“Sharia will be the only source of the constitution, and Arabic the only official language………………………………………..

In a speech punctuated by religious references, Mr Bashir also defended the way the authorities have dealt with the case of a young woman whose whipping by police appeared in a YouTube video.

“There are people who say they feel ashamed about this sentence,” he said.

“They should review their interpretation of Islam because sharia has always stipulated that one must whip, cut, or kill.”

There are also some Christians who want theocracy too, you know.

CosmosDan said:
what exactly did he lie about?

That tons pf people we’re saying that young man was a terrorist. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/261903

Why do mostly white bleeding heart liberals, feel the need to defend islam on message boards? Can’t actual muslims speak for themselves? LOL.

notsofast said:
Son, this post is about what Maher said about Islam – not what conservatives said- and when you say conservatives “don’t get it” the fact is YOU don’t get it. It’s not only conservatives who are concerned about Muslim radicalization so again your generalization fails.

Well, now you’ve just undermined your own point about how liberals are supposedly coddling or downplaying violent Islam. Your own generalization fails.

mibwilso said:
*If abortion clinic bombers don’t represent all Christians, then neither does a terrorist (or a Ft Hood shooter) speak for all Muslims.***

And exactly hop many abortion clinic bombers have there been in the last 10 year, son?

Do you want me to list the number of radical Islamic attacks in the last 10 years, son?

Which list do you think will be longer and which do you think will have resulted in more people being killed?

Grammie said:
In short, Islam is the State and the State is Islam.

The 3rd of March is overlooked by many as an insignificant day of the year. However, this particular day should not be overlooked by the Muslims without serious contemplation.#On this day, in 1924, the Khilafah (Islamic State) was abolished by Mustafa Kamal Attaturk with the help of the British and European collaborators. It was a catastrophic day when the light of Islam was dimmed and its implementation removed from our lives, leaving the Ummah bare and defenceless against the onslaught of the Kuffar.

http://shariah4america.com/Non-Muslims/3rd-March-1924CE.html

What’s the resolution to this action? The answer, the site says, is simple: “The Khilafah is the means to implement Islam with all of its values, outlook, culture and legislation. This is defined by Allah (swt), the Sovereign.”

“We call upon the Ummah to begin working for the re-establishment of the Khilafah so that our lands would be transformed into Dar-ul-Islam.“

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/muslims-plan-thursday-rally-in-d-c-rise-to-implement-the-shariah-in-america/

notsofast said:
And exactly hop many abortion clinic bombers have there been in the last 10 year, son?

Do you want me to list the number of radical Islamic attacks in the last 10 years, son?

Which list do you think will be longer and which do you think will have resulted in more people being killed?

Well, just in the last couple a abortion provider was assassinated….not to mention the standing threats against nearly every abortion provider in this country.

mibwilso said:
Well, now you’ve just undermined your own point about how liberals are supposedly coddling or downplaying violent Islam.

LOL

You just made it up again, son?

Show me where I said libs coddle violent Islam?

Is this your act- make up stuff and accuse others of having said it?

You are one sick puppy, son.

notsofast said:
And exactly hop many abortion clinic bombers have there been in the last 10 year, son?

Do you want me to list the number of radical Islamic attacks in the last 10 years, son?

Which list do you think will be longer and which do you think will have resulted in more people being killed?

The point is that one extremist (or group of extremists) doesn’t speak for the whole group.

CosmosDan said:
TfT said:
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So, did Maher call Ellison on the story he told at thehearings, and crying about something that wasn’t really true? Or did Ellison get away with that because he is a democrat?
What exactly did Ellison say that wasn’t true? Was that young man investigated because of his religion before they realized he was killed trying to rescue people? Wasn’t there an article that suggested he might be hiding rather than missing? Everybody loves to repeat that Ellison lied, but what exactly did he lie about?

It doesn’t look like TfT called him a liar, but his story was checked for truthiness, and it seems it he was playing loosey goosey with the facts.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/261903/rep-keith-ellison-s-bigotry-matthew-shaffer

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-truth-behind-rep-ellisons-tearful-testimony/

mibwilso said:
Well, just in the last couple a abortion provider was assassinated

He was not assassinated- he was murdered, son.

Oh, an Islamic attacks?

* 18 April 1983 – 1983 United States embassy bombing 63 killed, 120 wounded.
* 23 October 1983 – 1983 Beirut barracks bombing 305 killed, 75 wounded.
* 26 February 1993 – World Trade Center bombing, New York City. 6 killed.
* 13 March 1993 – 1993 Bombay bombings. Mumbai, India. 250 dead, 700 injured.
* 28 July 1994 – Buenos Aires, Argentina. Vehicle suicide bombing attack against AMIA building, the local Jewish community representation. 85 dead, more than 300 injured.
* 24 December 1994 – Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group of Algeria and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers.
* 25 June 1996 – Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.
* 17 November 1997 – Luxor attack, 6 armed Islamic terrorists attack tourists at Egypts famous Luxor Ruins. 68 foreign tourists killed.
* 14 February 1998 – Bombing in Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu, India. 13 bombs explode within a 12 km radius. 46 killed and over 200 injured.
* 7 August 1998 – 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead. 4000+ injured.
* 4 September 1999 – A series of bombing attacks in several cities of Russia, nearly 300 killed.
* 12 October 2000 – Attack on the USS cole in the Yemeni port of Aden.
* 11 September 2001 – 4 planes hijacked and crashed into World Trade Center and The Pentagon by 19 hijackers. Nearly 3000 dead.[195]
* 13 December 2001 – Suicide attack on Indian parliament in New Delhi by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations, Jaish-E-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba. Aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. 7 dead, 12 injured.
* 27 March 2002 – Suicide bomb attack on a Passover Seder in a Hotel in Netanya, Israel. 30 dead, 133 injured.
* 30 March 2002 and 24 November 2002 – Attacks on the Hindu Raghunath temple, India. Total 25 dead.
* 7 May 2002 – Bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured.
* 24 September 2002 – Machine Gun attack on Hindu temple in Ahmedabad, India. 31 dead, 86 injured.[196][197]
* 12 October 2002 – Bombing in Bali nightclub. 202 killed, 300 injured.[198]
* 16 May 2003 – Casablanca Attacks – 4 simultaneous attacks in Casablanca killing 33 civilians (mostly Moroccans) carried by Salafia Jihadia.
* 11 March 2004 – Multiple bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured (alleged link to Al-Qaeda).
* 1 September 2004 – Beslan school hostage crisis, approximately 344 civilians including 186 children killed.[199][200]
* 2 November 2004 – The murder of Theo van Gogh (film director) by Amsterdam-born jihadist Mohammed Bouyeri.[201]
* 4 February 2005 – Muslim terrorists attacked the Christian community in Demsa, Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people.
* 5 July 2005 – Attack at the Hindu Ram temple at Ayodhya, India; one of the most holy sites of Hinduism. 6 dead.
* 7 July 2005 – Multiple bombings in London Underground. 53 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.
* 23 July 2005 – Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.
* 29 October 2005 – 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings, India. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival.[202]
* 9 November 2005 – 2005 Amman bombings. a series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan. Over 60 killed and 115 injured.[203][204] Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.[205]
* 7 March 2006 – 2006 Varanasi bombings, India. A series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi. 28 killed and over 100 injured.[206]
* 11 July 2006 – 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings, Mumbai, India; a series of seven bomb blasts that took place over a period of 11 minutes on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai. 209 killed and over 700 injured.
* 14 August 2007 – Qahtaniya bombings: Four suicide vehicle bombers massacred nearly 800 members of northern Iraq’s Yazidi sect in the deadliest Iraq war’s attack to date.
* 26 July 2008 – 2008 Ahmedabad bombings, India. Islamic terrorists detonate at least 21 explosive devices in the heart of this industrial capital, leaving at least 56 dead and 200 injured. A Muslim group calling itself the Indian Mujahideen claims responsibility. Indian authorities believe that extremists with ties to Pakistan and/or Bangladesh are likely responsible and are intent on inciting communal violence.[207] Investigation by Indian police led to the eventual arrest of a number of terrorists suspected of carrying out the blasts, most of whom belong to a well-known terrorist group, The Students Islamic Movement of India.[208]
* 13 September 2008 – Bombing series in Delhi, India. Pakistani extremist groups plant bombs at several places including India Gate, out of which the ones at Karol Bagh, Connaught Place and Greater Kailash explode leaving around 30 people dead and 130 injured, followed by another attack two weeks later at the congested Mehrauli area, leaving 3 people dead.
* 26 November 2008 – Muslim extremists kill at least 174 people and wound numerous others in a series of coordinated attacks on India’s largest city and financial capital, Mumbai. The government of India blamed Pakistan based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba and stated that the terrorists killed/caught were citizens of Pakistan, a claim which the Pakistani government first refused but then accepted when given proof. Ajmal Kasab, one of the terrorists, was caught alive.[209][210]
* 25 October 2009. Baghdad, Iraq. During a terrorist attack, two bomber vehicles detonated in the Green Zone, killing at least 155 people and injuring 520.
* 28 October 2009 – Peshawar, Pakistan. A car bomb is detonated in a woman exclusive shopping district, and over 110 killed and over 200 injured.
* 3 December 2009 – Mogadishu, Somalia. A male suicide bomber disguised as a woman detonates in a hotel meeting hall. The hotel was hosting a graduation ceremony for local medical students when the blast went off, killing four government ministers as well as other civilians.[211]
* 1 January 2010 – Lakki Marwat, Pakistan. A suicide car bomber drove his explosive-laden vehicle into a volleyball pitch as people gathered to watch a match killing more than 100 people.[212]
* 1 May 2010 – New York, New York, USA. Faisal Shahzad, an Islamic Pakistani American who received U.S. citizenship in December 2009, attempted to detonate a car bomb in Times Square working with the Pakistani Taliban or Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan.
* 28 May 2010 – Attacks on Ahmadi Mosques Lahore, Pakistan. Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan claimed attacks on two mosques simultaneously belonging to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, killing nearly 100 and injuring many others.

mibwilso said:
There are also some Christians who want theocracy too, you know.

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A list of those Christian nations that have succeeded in that just as Sudan, Iran, Saudi Arabia etc have will follow shortly no doubt.

The key word you used is “want”.

Islam demands it and enough of the faithful support that that we have hundreds of millions, if not billions, of Muslims actually living and implementing it at the end of a sword their theocracy.

mibwilso said:
mibwilso says:
March 12, 2011 at 12:55 pm mibwilso(Quote)

Oh, and son, which groups does BHO’s State Dept. list as terrorists groups?

U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations
* Abu Sayyaf, Philippines
* Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, Gaza Strip and West Bank
* Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, Egypt (also known as The Islamic Group)
* Al-Qaeda, worldwide
* Al-Shabaab, Somalia
* Ansar al-Islam, Iraq
* Armed Islamic Group (GIA), Algeria
* Jamaat Ansar al-Sunna, Iraq
* East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), China
* Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Egypt
* Great Eastern Islamic Raiders’ Front (IBDA-C), Turkey
* Hamas, Gaza Strip and West Bank
* Harkat-ul-Mujahideen al-Alami, Pakistan
* Hezbollah, Lebanon
* Islamic Movement of Central Asia, Central Asia
* Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Uzbekistan
* Jaish-e-Mohammed, Pakistan and Kashmir
* Jemaah Islamiyah, Indonesia
* Lashkar-e-Taiba, Pakistan and Kashmir
* Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Pakistan
* Moro Islamic Liberation Front, Philippines
* Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group, Morocco and Europe
* Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Gaza Strip and West Bank
* Tawhid and Jihad (Al-Qaeda in the Land between the Two Rivers), Iraq

notsofast said:
He was not assassinated- he was murdered, son.

Oh, an Islamic attacks?

* 18 April 1983 – 1983 United States embassy bombing 63 killed, 120 wounded.
* 23 October 1983 – 1983 Beirut barracks bombing 305 killed, 75 wounded.
* 26 February 1993 – World Trade Center bombing, New York City. 6 killed.
* 13 March 1993 – 1993 Bombay bombings. Mumbai, India. 250 dead, 700 injured.
* 28 July 1994 – Buenos Aires, Argentina. Vehicle suicide bombing attack against AMIA building, the local Jewish community representation. 85 dead, more than 300 injured.
* 24 December 1994 – Air France Flight 8969 hijacking in Algiers by 3 members of Armed Islamic Group of Algeria and another terrorist. 7 killed including 4 hijackers.
* 25 June 1996 – Khobar Towers bombing, 20 killed, 372 wounded.
* 17 November 1997 – Luxor attack, 6 armed Islamic terrorists attack tourists at Egypts famous Luxor Ruins. 68 foreign tourists killed.
* 14 February 1998 – Bombing in Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu, India. 13 bombs explode within a 12 km radius. 46 killed and over 200 injured.
* 7 August 1998 – 1998 United States embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. 224 dead. 4000+ injured.
* 4 September 1999 – A series of bombing attacks in several cities of Russia, nearly 300 killed.
* 12 October 2000 – Attack on the USS cole in the Yemeni port of Aden.
* 11 September 2001 – 4 planes hijacked and crashed into World Trade Center and The Pentagon by 19 hijackers. Nearly 3000 dead.[195]
* 13 December 2001 – Suicide attack on Indian parliament in New Delhi by Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist organizations, Jaish-E-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Toiba. Aimed at eliminating the top leadership of India and causing anarchy in the country. 7 dead, 12 injured.
* 27 March 2002 – Suicide bomb attack on a Passover Seder in a Hotel in Netanya, Israel. 30 dead, 133 injured.
* 30 March 2002 and 24 November 2002 – Attacks on the Hindu Raghunath temple, India. Total 25 dead.
* 7 May 2002 – Bombing in al-Arbaa, Algeria. 49 dead, 117 injured.
* 24 September 2002 – Machine Gun attack on Hindu temple in Ahmedabad, India. 31 dead, 86 injured.[196][197]
* 12 October 2002 – Bombing in Bali nightclub. 202 killed, 300 injured.[198]
* 16 May 2003 – Casablanca Attacks – 4 simultaneous attacks in Casablanca killing 33 civilians (mostly Moroccans) carried by Salafia Jihadia.
* 11 March 2004 – Multiple bombings on trains near Madrid, Spain. 191 killed, 1460 injured (alleged link to Al-Qaeda).
* 1 September 2004 – Beslan school hostage crisis, approximately 344 civilians including 186 children killed.[199][200]
* 2 November 2004 – The murder of Theo van Gogh (film director) by Amsterdam-born jihadist Mohammed Bouyeri.[201]
* 4 February 2005 – Muslim terrorists attacked the Christian community in Demsa, Nigeria, killing 36 people, destroying property and displacing an additional 3000 people.
* 5 July 2005 – Attack at the Hindu Ram temple at Ayodhya, India; one of the most holy sites of Hinduism. 6 dead.
* 7 July 2005 – Multiple bombings in London Underground. 53 killed by four suicide bombers. Nearly 700 injured.
* 23 July 2005 – Bomb attacks at Sharm el-Sheikh, an Egyptian resort city, at least 64 people killed.
* 29 October 2005 – 29 October 2005 Delhi bombings, India. Over 60 killed and over 180 injured in a series of three attacks in crowded markets and a bus, just 2 days before the Diwali festival.[202]
* 9 November 2005 – 2005 Amman bombings. a series of coordinated suicide attacks on hotels in Amman, Jordan. Over 60 killed and 115 injured.[203][204] Four attackers including a husband and wife team were involved.[205]
* 7 March 2006 – 2006 Varanasi bombings, India. A series of attacks in the Sankath Mochan Hanuman temple and Cantonment Railway Station in the Hindu holy city of Varanasi. 28 killed and over 100 injured.[206]
* 11 July 2006 – 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings, Mumbai, India; a series of seven bomb blasts that took place over a period of 11 minutes on the Suburban Railway in Mumbai. 209 killed and over 700 injured.
* 14 August 2007 – Qahtaniya bombings: Four suicide vehicle bombers massacred nearly 800 members of northern Iraq’s Yazidi sect in the deadliest Iraq war’s attack to date.
* 26 July 2008 – 2008 Ahmedabad bombings, India. Islamic terrorists detonate at least 21 explosive devices in the heart of this industrial capital, leaving at least 56 dead and 200 injured. A Muslim group calling itself the Indian Mujahideen claims responsibility. Indian authorities believe that extremists with ties to Pakistan and/or Bangladesh are likely responsible and are intent on inciting communal violence.[207] Investigation by Indian police led to the eventual arrest of a number of terrorists suspected of carrying out the blasts, most of whom belong to a well-known terrorist group, The Students Islamic Movement of India.[208]
* 13 September 2008 – Bombing series in Delhi, India. Pakistani extremist groups plant bombs at several places including India Gate, out of which the ones at Karol Bagh, Connaught Place and Greater Kailash explode leaving around 30 people dead and 130 injured, followed by another attack two weeks later at the congested Mehrauli area, leaving 3 people dead.
* 26 November 2008 – Muslim extremists kill at least 174 people and wound numerous others in a series of coordinated attacks on India’s largest city and financial capital, Mumbai. The government of India blamed Pakistan based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba and stated that the terrorists killed/caught were citizens of Pakistan, a claim which the Pakistani government first refused but then accepted when given proof. Ajmal Kasab, one of the terrorists, was caught alive.[209][210]
* 25 October 2009. Baghdad, Iraq. During a terrorist attack, two bomber vehicles detonated in the Green Zone, killing at least 155 people and injuring 520.
* 28 October 2009 – Peshawar, Pakistan. A car bomb is detonated in a woman exclusive shopping district, and over 110 killed and over 200 injured.
* 3 December 2009 – Mogadishu, Somalia. A male suicide bomber disguised as a woman detonates in a hotel meeting hall. The hotel was hosting a graduation ceremony for local medical students when the blast went off, killing four government ministers as well as other civilians.[211]
* 1 January 2010 – Lakki Marwat, Pakistan. A suicide car bomber drove his explosive-laden vehicle into a volleyball pitch as people gathered to watch a match killing more than 100 people.[212]
* 1 May 2010 – New York, New York, USA. Faisal Shahzad, an Islamic Pakistani American who received U.S. citizenship in December 2009, attempted to detonate a car bomb in Times Square working with the Pakistani Taliban or Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan.
* 28 May 2010 – Attacks on Ahmadi Mosques Lahore, Pakistan. Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan claimed attacks on two mosques simultaneously belonging to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, killing nearly 100 and injuring many others.

Huh? Look up assassination in the dictionary, son. “Assassination: murder in a surprise attack for political or religious reasons”

notsofast said:
Oh, and son, which groups does BHO’s State Dept. list as terrorists groups?

U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations
* Abu Sayyaf, Philippines
* Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, Gaza Strip and West Bank
* Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, Egypt (also known as The Islamic Group)
* Al-Qaeda, worldwide
* Al-Shabaab, Somalia
* Ansar al-Islam, Iraq
* Armed Islamic Group (GIA), Algeria
* Jamaat Ansar al-Sunna, Iraq
* East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), China
* Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Egypt
* Great Eastern Islamic Raiders’ Front (IBDA-C), Turkey
* Hamas, Gaza Strip and West Bank
* Harkat-ul-Mujahideen al-Alami, Pakistan
* Hezbollah, Lebanon
* Islamic Movement of Central Asia, Central Asia
* Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Uzbekistan
* Jaish-e-Mohammed, Pakistan and Kashmir
* Jemaah Islamiyah, Indonesia
* Lashkar-e-Taiba, Pakistan and Kashmir
* Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Pakistan
* Moro Islamic Liberation Front, Philippines
* Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group, Morocco and Europe
* Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Gaza Strip and West Bank
* Tawhid and Jihad (Al-Qaeda in the Land between the Two Rivers), Iraq

And the FBI also has a list of Domestic Terrorist groups….none of which are Islamic.

mibwilso said:
“Assassination: murder in a surprise attack for political or religious reasons”

Show me a newspaper article saying he was assassinated, son. You need to be a prominent person to be assassinated and that butcher was hardly that except maybe in lib circles.

The majority of people in the Arab Middle East HATE America. An Arab democracy is more likely to look like a Taliban style government with Sharia law. Try to understand that democracy will not in any way resemble American government – these people actually want Islamic government, not a democracy with constituencies.

FBI’s most wanted terrorists, son:

Imad Mughniyah TWA Flight 847 June 14, 1985
Status: Assassinated in a car bombing on February 12, 2008 in Damascus.[2]; no longer listed as of April 24, 2008.
Hassan Izz Al-Din
Hassan Izz-Al-Din TWA Flight 847 June 14, 1985
Status: At large.
Ali Atwa TWA Flight 847 June 14, 1985
Status: At large.
Abdul Rahman Yasin in 2002
Abdul Rahman Yasin 1993 World Trade Center bombing February 26, 1993
Status: At large. Constructed bombs in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Yasin was allegedly a prisoner of Saddam Hussein in 2002, but has since gone missing from Iraq.
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed Bojinka plot 1994–1995
Status: Captured in Pakistan on March 1, 2003; no longer listed as of February 23, 2006.
Ahmed Ibrahim Al-Mughassil
Ahmed Ibrahim Al-Mughassil Khobar Towers bombing June 25, 1996
Status: At large
Ali Saed Bin Ali El-Hoorie
Ali Saed Bin Ali El-Hoorie Khobar Towers bombing June 25, 1996
Status: At large
Ibrahim Salih Mohammed Al-Yacoub
Ibrahim Salih Mohammed Al-Yacoub Khobar Towers bombing June 25, 1996
Status: At large
Abdelkarim Hussein Mohamed Al-Nasser
Abdelkarim Hussein Mohamed Al-Nasser Khobar Towers bombing June 25, 1996
Status: At large
Muhammad Atef
Muhammad Atef 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: Killed in Afghanistan on November 14, 2001 by a Predator missile attack on his home outside of Kabul; no longer listed as of February 23, 2006.
Osama bin Laden 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: At large. Also wanted for his claimed responsibility in the September 11, 2001 attacks[3], although this reason is not given on the most wanted list.
Ayman Al-Zawahiri 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: At large
Fazul Abdullah Mohammed
Fazul Abdullah Mohammed 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: At large
Mustafa Mohamed Fadhil
Mustafa Mohamed Fadhil 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: General consensus among terrorism experts is he was captured in Pakistan in 2004, although there has been no confirmation or denial; no longer listed as of February 23, 2006.
Fahid Mohammed Ally Msalam
Fahid Mohammed Ally Msalam 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: Killed January 1, 2009, in an unmanned predator strike in Pakistan along with Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan.[4] No longer listed as of November 24, 2009.
Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani
Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: Captured in Pakistan on July 25, 2004; no longer listed as of February 23, 2006.
Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan
Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: Killed January 1, 2009, in an unmanned aerial strike in Pakistan along with Fahid Mohammed Ali Musallam.[4] No longer listed as of November 24, 2009.
Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah
Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: At large.
Anas Al-Liby
Anas Al-Liby 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: At large.
Saif Al-Adel 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: At large. Believed to be in Iran.[5]
Ahmed Mohammed Hamed Ali
Ahmed Mohammed Hamed Ali 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: Killed in 2010 in Pakistan.[6][7]
Mushin Musa Matwalli Atwah
Mushin Musa Matwalli Atwah

Ahh, all Muslim, son.

notsofast said:
Show me a newspaper article saying he was assassinated, son. You need to be a prominent person to be assassinated and that butcher was hardly that except maybe in lib circles.

Doesn’t matter what newspapers call it.

An assassination is simply murder for poltical or religious reasons. That’s the definition.

George Tiller wasn’t murdered because he had an affair with someone….he was murdered for political/religious reasons. Period.

notsofast said:
Show me a newspaper article saying he was assassinated, son. You need to be a prominent person to be assassinated and that butcher was hardly that except maybe in lib circles.

Assassination IS murder, son.

mibwilso said:
And the FBI also has a list of Domestic Terrorist groups….none of which are Islamic.

FBI’s Most Wanted Domestic Terrorist:

New Most Wanted Terrorist
First Domestic Fugitive Added to List

04/21/09

Daniel San Diego is wanted for his alleged role in the bombings of two San Francisco biotech facilities in 2003.An animal rights extremist wanted for allegedly bombing two San Francisco-area office buildings in 2003 has been added to our Most Wanted Terrorists list—the first domestic terrorist to be included with international terrorists such as Usama Bin Laden.

Daniel Andreas San Diego, 31, should be considered armed and dangerous. His domestic acts of terror were planned to destroy property, to cause economic hardship for the companies he targeted, and possibly to take lives—one of his bombs was laced with nails to create potentially deadly shrapnel. We are offering a reward of up to $250,000 for information directly leading to his

Guess what? He is a lib!

LOL

notsofast said:
FBI’s most wanted terrorists, son:

Imad Mughniyah TWA Flight 847 June 14, 1985
Status: Assassinated in a car bombing on February 12, 2008 in Damascus.[2]; no longer listed as of April 24, 2008.
Hassan Izz Al-Din
Hassan Izz-Al-Din TWA Flight 847 June 14, 1985
Status: At large.
Ali Atwa TWA Flight 847 June 14, 1985
Status: At large.
Abdul Rahman Yasin in 2002
Abdul Rahman Yasin 1993 World Trade Center bombing February 26, 1993
Status: At large. Constructed bombs in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Yasin was allegedly a prisoner of Saddam Hussein in 2002, but has since gone missing from Iraq.
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed Bojinka plot 1994–1995
Status: Captured in Pakistan on March 1, 2003; no longer listed as of February 23, 2006.
Ahmed Ibrahim Al-Mughassil
Ahmed Ibrahim Al-Mughassil Khobar Towers bombing June 25, 1996
Status: At large
Ali Saed Bin Ali El-Hoorie
Ali Saed Bin Ali El-Hoorie Khobar Towers bombing June 25, 1996
Status: At large
Ibrahim Salih Mohammed Al-Yacoub
Ibrahim Salih Mohammed Al-Yacoub Khobar Towers bombing June 25, 1996
Status: At large
Abdelkarim Hussein Mohamed Al-Nasser
Abdelkarim Hussein Mohamed Al-Nasser Khobar Towers bombing June 25, 1996
Status: At large
Muhammad Atef
Muhammad Atef 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: Killed in Afghanistan on November 14, 2001 by a Predator missile attack on his home outside of Kabul; no longer listed as of February 23, 2006.
Osama bin Laden 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: At large. Also wanted for his claimed responsibility in the September 11, 2001 attacks[3], although this reason is not given on the most wanted list.
Ayman Al-Zawahiri 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: At large
Fazul Abdullah Mohammed
Fazul Abdullah Mohammed 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: At large
Mustafa Mohamed Fadhil
Mustafa Mohamed Fadhil 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: General consensus among terrorism experts is he was captured in Pakistan in 2004, although there has been no confirmation or denial; no longer listed as of February 23, 2006.
Fahid Mohammed Ally Msalam
Fahid Mohammed Ally Msalam 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: Killed January 1, 2009, in an unmanned predator strike in Pakistan along with Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan.[4] No longer listed as of November 24, 2009.
Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani
Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: Captured in Pakistan on July 25, 2004; no longer listed as of February 23, 2006.
Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan
Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: Killed January 1, 2009, in an unmanned aerial strike in Pakistan along with Fahid Mohammed Ali Musallam.[4] No longer listed as of November 24, 2009.
Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah
Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: At large.
Anas Al-Liby
Anas Al-Liby 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: At large.
Saif Al-Adel 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: At large. Believed to be in Iran.[5]
Ahmed Mohammed Hamed Ali
Ahmed Mohammed Hamed Ali 1998 United States embassy bombings August 7, 1998
Status: Killed in 2010 in Pakistan.[6][7]
Mushin Musa Matwalli Atwah
Mushin Musa Matwalli Atwah

Ahh, all Muslim, son.

Funny how you distort what I was talking about.

I was talking about the FBI list of Domestic Terrorist Groups….you’re talking about a different list.

mibwilso said:
Doesn’t matter what newspapers call it.

No it only matters what you call it.

Stop making it up, libby.

You are quite a failure, son.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
nice plan adolf, we should just “get rid of” those radical voices that preach “congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
i’m pretty offended by catholicism and the bible that preaches anti-woman, anti-gay practice and has been used to say it’s ok if american troops die because of our inclusion of homosexuals.

i’m really offended by the radical catholics predilection of pedophilia and think we should start hearing on all catholics and ask why they allow the radical practice by these sick bastards. when jesus said “whoever receives one child like this in my name receives me.” i don’t think that was what he was talking about.

That’s what I was thinking about that post. Sadly, several sates are trying to pass laws against Shariah law being practiced.

mibwilso said:
Assassination IS murder, son.

LOL

Really? You figured that out all by yourself?

So let’s get this straight:

Muslims think women should be subordinate to men
Muslims are anti-gay
Muslims want their religion to be written into law.

This is different from conservative Christianity how?

notsofast said:
LOL

Really? You figured that out all by yourself?

You’re the one trying to act like murder and assassination are two different things.

If someone has been assassinated, they have been MURDERED.

CosmosDan said:
Sadly, several sates are trying to pass laws against Shariah law being practiced.

Crikey. So you’re in favor of Shariah law being practiced in the U.S.? Even though it’s contrary to U.S. law in that “honor killings” are not only acceptable but mandated under Shariah law?

Calvin said:
That tons pf people we’re saying that young man was a terrorist. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/261903

I don’t believe he said that. That’s my problem with people so eager to apply labels and motives. Once it starts making the rounds in the blogs people start embracing it without really examining it.

Judge Mental said:
Crikey. So you’re in favor of Shariah law being practiced in the U.S.? Even though it’s contrary to U.S. law in that “honor killings” are not only acceptable but mandated under Shariah law?

Killing is already illegal in the US. So is domestic violence/abuse.

What would be the point of another law against killing or abuse…other than to make a political statement?

mibwilso said:
I was talking about the FBI list of Domestic Terrorist Groups….you’re talking about a different list.

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For a little perspective on the similarities and differences between Most Wanted Domestic terrorist vs Most Wanted Terrorists:

Source: USA Today

For the first time, the FBI has added an accused domestic terrorist to its “Most Wanted” list, the Associated Press reports.

The suspect: Daniel Andreas San Diego, a 31-year-old computer specialist from Berkeley, Calif., is wanted for the 2003 bombings of two corporate offices in California.

Authorities describe San Diego as an animal rights activist who turned to bomb attacks and say he has tattoo that proclaims, “It only takes a spark.”

The addition of a domestic, left-wing terrorist follows criticism of the Obama administration for an internal Homeland Security report last week suggesting some military veterans could be susceptible to right-wing extremist recruiters or commit lone acts of violence, the AP says.

Let me repeat this rather pertinent fact:

“For the first time, the FBI has added an accused domestic terrorist to its “Most Wanted” list, the Associated Press reports.”

From a source that no one on the left will spurn, DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×3841646

mibwilso said:
So let’s get this straight:

Muslims think women should be subordinate to men
Muslims are anti-gay
Muslims want their religion to be written into law.

This is different from conservative Christianity how?

Christians do not think women should be subordinate to men.
Most Christians are not “anti-gay” (whatever that means).
Christians do not want their religion to be written into law.

We already have laws in this country that ban the stuff that is mentioned by Sharia Law….so to ban Sharia Law is just redundant.

The proposals to ban Sharia Law are just a political tactic to rile up voters.

Oops, forgot to mention that that was April 2009 that “For the first time, the FBI has added an accused domestic terrorist to its “Most Wanted” list, the Associated Press reports.”.

mibwilso said:
Killing is already illegal in the US. So is domestic violence/abuse.

What would be the point of another law against killing or abuse…other than to make a political statement?

Shariah law would not be “another law against killing or abuse.” Rather, it would excuse exactly that.

I don’t think even the most conservative Christians believe in honor killings, or covering women so that only their eyes are visible, or keeping them from learning to read.

Judge Mental said:
Christians do not think women should be subordinate to men.
Most Christians are not “anti-gay” (whatever that means).
Christians do not want their religion to be written into law.

Really? Says who? Just tune in to any religious broadcaster or go to most Christian churches on any given day and you’ll see that’s not true.

Judge Mental said:
Shariah law would not be “another law against killing or abuse.” Rather, it would excuse exactly that.

No, but proposing to ban sharia law would just be redundant.

A Pew Research poll in in 2007 found that a full 8 percent of the Muslim population in America believed that suicide bombing in defense of Islam to be justifiable.

President 0bama, in his speech in Cairo, suggested that the population of Muslims in America was 7 million. That means that in America, alone, there are potentially 560,000 potential suicide bombers, or at the very least those that support suicide bombers for the defense of Islam. 15 % of Muslims 18 to 29 years old held that view, and 60% of that demographic believed themselves to be Muslim first and Americans second, the poll showed. Among all of those polled, a full 5%, said that they have a favorable view of al Qaeda.

The phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend is a proverb that advances the concept that someone who is the enemy of your enemy is therefore your friend. It further means that because two parties have a common enemy, one can use the other to advance their goals. Often described as an Arabic proverb, there is also an identical Chinese proverb.

In foreign policy, it’s a doctrine commonly used to interact with a significant enemy through an intermediary rather than through direct confrontation.

The American left, it is estimated, is 20% of the population, or about 70 million. So we have 70 million Americans in full support of 560,000 potential suicide bombers, and in support of 350,000 that support al Qaeda. Nice. Liberalism is a sickness.

Emma said:
Gordon Blows is such an erudite and thoughtful individual, I’m sure he considers being in the Guinness World Records for most pork rinds ingested in a single drunken night, a “win”.

Do you wash after each trick? How many quarters did you make last night/

What the Bible says about women.

As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (NIV, 1 Corinthians 14:33-35)

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (NIV, 1 Timothy 2:11-12)

mibwilso said:
Muslims think women should be subordinate to men
Muslims are anti-gay
Muslims want their religion to be written into law.

This is different from conservative Christianity how?

Do these conservative Christians say that they should be able to beat or kill their wives?

I have not heard Christian groups calling for the killing of gays.

I have not heard ONE Christian group ask that Christianity be made into law.

You have less knowledge of Christianity than you have of Islam.

Why do you continue to make stuff up, son?

mibwilso said:
If someone has been assassinated, they have been MURDERED.

But few that are murdered have been assassinated, son.

Go to the Internet and find a list of people who have been assassinated and see if it lists your abortionist killer as one.

I’ll wait.

ndanielson said:
A Pew Research poll in in 2007 found that a full 8 percent of the Muslim population in America believed that suicide bombing in defense of Islam to be justifiable.

Whoa. A whopping 8 percent!! Just conveniently omitting the other 92% (or 6,440,000) who don’t think that??

mibwilso said:
Really? Says who? Just tune in to any religious broadcaster or go to most Christian churches on any given day and you’ll see that’s not true.

Granted, I haven’t attended a church service in years, but I never heard anything even remotely approaching what you claim is happening.

And, really, you’re just doing what you’ve accused the Right of doing — branding everyone together as a group based on the extreme views of a few.

notsofast said:
But few that are murdered have been assassinated, son.

Go to the Internet and find a list of people who have been assassinated and see if it lists your abortionist killer as one.

I’ll wait.

Are you saying that George Tiller was NOT killed for political/religious reasons?

mibwilso said:
We already have laws in this country that ban the stuff that is mentioned by Sharia Law….so to ban Sharia Law is just redundant.

So you were against the ERA too because we already had laws preventing such?

mibwilso said:
Whoa. A whopping 8 percent!! Just conveniently omitting the other 92% (or 6,440,000) who don’t think that??

And they have the full support of idiots like you! A full half million suicide bombers in AMERICA ALONE. Dummy.

Judge Mental said:
Crikey. So you’re in favor of Shariah law being practiced in the U.S.? Even though it’s contrary to U.S. law in that “honor killings” are not only acceptable but mandated under Shariah law?

No religious doctrine overrides our system of laws period, so people who commit crimes don’t get to use religion as an excuse, or a defense. As you just pointed out.

We don’t need laws to address Jews for their dietary laws , or Christian’s for having doctrine that prohibits gambling, drinking or dancing, or being gay. We don’t need laws addressing Catholic beliefs about divorce and remarriage. We don’t need and shouldn’t have laws addressing a specific religious tradition. It’s based on an ignorant understanding of what Shariah law is and isn’t. We only need to enforce our legal system as it stands and let people of any religion know that their religious beliefs DO NOT, and CAN NOT, supersede our laws, and if they break the law they suffer the consequences.
We didn’t need to write new laws addressing Christian beliefs after Dr Tiller was killed. Regardless of motives the man was guilty of murder. It’s ignorant to try and outlaw a religious tradition or guidelines. We simply do what we’ve always done and address the actions of the individual.

mibwilso said:
Are you saying that George Tiller was NOT killed for political/religious reasons?

I’m saying he was not assassinated.

Now STFU and provide the list of people who have been assassinated.

notsofast said:
But few that are murdered have been assassinated, son.

Go to the Internet and find a list of people who have been assassinated and see if it lists your abortionist killer as one.

I’ll wait.

LOL! Can we just use a dictionary instead. That sounds much simpler. What a silly argument to have.

mibwilso said:
No, but proposing to ban sharia law would just be redundant.

No, it wouldn’t. I know of at least one case in which U.S. courts accepted a “defense” under Sharia law:

http://volokh.com/2010/07/23/cultural-defense-accepted-as-to-nonconsensual-sex-in-new-jersey-trial-court-rejected-on-appeal/

Banning Sharia law would mean such “defenses” would not be allowed.

Judge Mental said:
Granted, I haven’t attended a church service in years, but I never heard anything even remotely approaching what you claim is happening.

And, really, you’re just doing what you’ve accused the Right of doing — branding everyone together as a group based on the extreme views of a few.

I went to church from childhood until well into my twenties….I’ve been to enough churches to know the kinds of stuff that gets said.

But, no those churches don’t speak for every Christian……but membership in conservative denominations FAR outpaces membership in liberal Christian churches.

mibwilso said:
Killing is already illegal in the US

Killing is not illegal; murder is , son.

mibwilso said:
Whoa. A whopping 8 percent!! Just conveniently omitting the other 92% (or 6,440,000) who don’t think that??

A full 560,000 suicide bombers with 70 million fools like you who say so what? That was 4 years ago. Do you think that number went up or down, with your support, blind eye, ignorance, appeasement, defense…what is it that you do? Ignore, support, deny?

CosmosDan said:
LOL! Can we just use a dictionary instead. That sounds much simpler. What a silly argument to have.

Seriously. I quoted the dictionary definition of assassination…but that wasn’t enough for him.

ndanielson said:
A full 560,000 suicide bombers with 70 million fools like you who say so what? That was 4 years ago. Do you think that number went up or down, with your support, blind eye, ignorance, appeasement, defense…what is it that you do? Ignore, support, deny?

I don’t support suicide bombing…and don’t know anyone who does. So you’re doing a lot of extrapolating here, son.

CosmosDan said:
What a silly argument to have.

Tell that to mibwilson. He is embracing a typical lib dodge of disputing what the definition of the word “is” is.

mibwilso said:
This is different from conservative Christianity how?

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Conservative Christianity do not have a modern history of cliterectomies, honor killings, child marriage, amputation of limbs, stonings, execution of homosexuals, whipping that can result in deat for adultery, punishing the rape victim rather than the raper etc.

You may find some of all of the above in cult Christian groups but nowhere in modern mainstream or even very conservative Christian groups.

All such groups are loudly and publicly condemned by both Christians and Judeo-Christian groups and are pursued by justice depts across the land.

However, we do have entire Muslim nations where that is the law of the land and is actively enforced. Additionally there are so called modern secular Islamic governments that tolerate it while having very weak unenforced laws on the books against some or all of the above.

Guess who’s NO LONGER on the invite list for “You Lie!” hussein’s non-stop, endless White House parties?
PRAISE ALLAH !!!!!!

Grammie said:
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Conservative Christianity do not have a modern history of cliterectomies, honor killings, child marriage, amputation of limbs, stonings, execution of homosexuals, whipping that can result in deat for adultery, punishing the rape victim rather than the raper etc.

You may find some of all of the above in cult Christian groups but nowhere in modern mainstream or even very conservative Christian groups.

All such groups are loudly and publicly condemned by both Christians and Judeo-Christian groups and are pursued by justice depts across the land.

However, we do have entire Muslim nations where that is the law of the land and is actively enforced. Additionally there are so called modern secular Islamic governments that tolerate it while having very weak unenforced laws on the books against some or all of the above.

Last i looked, the Catholic church has a LONG history of killing in the name of God.

Spot on, Grammie. If you want to dig through history, every group has had it’s extremists. But as it stands today, radical Islamists are the biggest threat.

mibwilso said:
What the Bible says about women.
As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. (NIV, 1 Corinthians 14:33-35)
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (NIV, 1 Timothy 2:11-12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZGCtU3qh9s

mibwilso said:
Last i looked, the Catholic church has a LONG history of killing in the name of God.

So does Islam, son.

Ever heard of Saladin? Or the Armenian genocide during the WWI by the Muslin Turks or do you give that a pass?

Grammie said:

You may find some of all of the above in cult Christian groups but nowhere in modern mainstream or even very conservative Christian groups.

However, we do have entire Muslim nations where that is the law of the land and is actively enforced. .

I would consider Al Qaeda to be more of a cult-like organization than a “mainstream” group.

And the muslim countries where those things are “law of the land” are usually dictatorships or oligarchies….not the democracies.

Grammie said:
Again, I ask for more comments on both the video and the reaction of the President of an Islamic country.

I’m not in favor of a theocracy but secular governments can be just as bad if human rights take a back seat to the need to control and maintain power. I don’t think religious injustice is worse than injustice.

mibwilso said:
And the muslim countries where those things are “law of the land” are usually dictatorships or oligarchies….not the democracies.

And? And?

No shit Sherlock- that’s the only environment in which that kind of law or forms of Socialism/ Communism can exist.

mibwilso said:
I don’t support suicide bombing…and don’t know anyone who does. So you’re doing a lot of extrapolating here, son.

Everyone of your idiot friends here is in denial. Bringing up the crusades, the Bible, Fox news, anything you can to ignore the fact that there are approaching 1 million willing suicide bombers in America, and 70 million liberals who say what, about it, again? The crusades…The old testament…the what? Peter King is pilloried by your liberal media just for talking about the facts. Why is that? These clowns could go to every mall and theater in America and cause terrorism in every state of the union. Just turn your blind eye long enough.

notsofast said:
Tell that to mibwilson. He is embracing a typical lib dodge of disputing what the definition of the word “is” is.

Looks to me like you’re in it at least as deep. But, I’m just a stupid Lib, with a dictionary. Who cares?

CosmosDan said:
I don’t believe he said that.

“After the tragedy some people tried to smear his character solely because of his Islamic faith. Some people spread false rumors and speculated that he was in league with the attackers only because he was Muslim. It was only when his remains were identified that these lies were fully exposed. Mohammed Salman Hamdani was a fellow American who gave his life for other Americans. His life should not be defined as a member of an ethnic group or a member of a religion, but as an American who gave everything for his fellow citizens.”

My bad. He said “some.” But it wasn’t even “some” that accused the young man of being a terrorist.:

Does Ellison’s account check out with reality?

No. It is actually pretty close to the opposite of the truth. In fact, six weeks after the September 11 attacks — before Hamdani’s remains were identified, which Ellison implies to be the turning point of public perception — Congress signed the PATRIOT Act into law with this line included: “Many Arab Americans and Muslim Americans have acted heroically during the attacks on the United States, including Mohammed Salman Hamdani, a 23-year-old New Yorker of Pakistani descent, who is believed to have gone to the World Trade Center to offer rescue assistance and is now missing.” That is, Hamdani was actually singled out for particular high honors among the thousands of victims of the September 11 attacks.

There’s little evidence of the “rumors” of which Ellison speaks, either. Poke around yourself. Go to Google and search for Mohammed Salman Hamdani’s name, using various time frames from before today’s hearings (say, in the week after the September 11 attack). You’ll discover two discordant sets of returns: none for sites and news reports accusing Hamdani of being a terrorist, and many thousands of pages honoring him as a hero while claiming that he was “widely accused” of being a terrorist.

Web pages that do source the claim that Hamndani was “widely accused” of being a terrorist typically trace back to a single report from the New York Post, dated Oct. 12, 2001, and titled “Missing — or Hiding? Mystery of NYPD Cadet from Pakistan.” The piece has been taken offline, but its content is preserved elsewhere. Here’s what the New York Post wrote:

His family distributed missing-person fliers in the fear that the 23-year- old, who is trained as an emergency medical technician, went instead to the World Trade Center to help and was killed.

But investigators for the FBI and NYPD have since questioned the family about which Internet chat rooms he visited and if he was political.

Hamdani, a graduate of Queens College with a biochemistry degree, had been in the NYPD cadet program for three years. He became “inactive” because he needed to work full time, his mother said.

Police sources said he hadn’t been to work at the NYPD since April, but he still carried official identification.

One source told the Post: “That tells me they’re not looking for this guy at the bottom of the rubble. The thing that bothers me is, if he is up to some tricks, he can walk past anybody [using the ID card].”

Hamdani’s mother, who has been in the United States for two decades, denied her son was political or a religious fundamentalist. Cops at the Midtown Tunnel reported spotting someone who looked like Hamdani yesterday morning.

So the Post reported 1) that Hamdani’s family believed he died in the WTC attacks, 2) that the FBI asked Hamdani’s mother a few background questions after a mistaken sighting, and 3) that an unnamed source felt such questioning implied guilt. No doubt, that was hard on the grieving mother. But frankly, this — a mistaken sighting, and very preliminary investigations of many people, most of whom turn out to be innocent — is the kind of thing that inevitably happens after a major terrorist attack.

After that questioning, the FBI didn’t go farther in a serious investigation, and, a week later, Hamdani was singled out for honors by the United States’ executive and legislative branches with those lines in the PATRIOT Act that immortalized his story.

Then, he was eulogized by the New York Times, had scholarship funds named after him, was honored by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly (both of whom went barefoot to honor Muslim practice) at his funeral, and has been celebrated over and over again by the media.

The belief that Mohammed Salman Hamdani was a victim of anti-Muslim bigotry was never based in reality. It was manufactured by the Left as a rhetorical prop, exploited as a bludgeon against people who want to talk seriously about terrorism. If Hamdani was singled out for his faith, it would appear he was singled out for especially high honors. Most 9/11 victims were not half so celebrated as he was. Rather than suffering from apocryphal American anti-Muslim bigotry, Salman Hamdani appears to have benefited from America’s eager inclusiveness.

Americans have long seen Mohammed Salman Hamdani as a hero. Too bad Representative Ellison saw him only as a prop.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/261903

ndanielson said:
Everyone of your idiot friends here is in denial. Bringing up the crusades, the Bible, Fox news, anything you can to ignore the fact that there are approaching 1 million willing suicide bombers in America, and 70 million liberals who say what, about it, again? The crusades…The old testament…the what? Peter King is pilloried by your liberal media just for talking about the facts. Why is that? These clowns could go to every mall and theater in America and cause terrorism in every state of the union. Just turn your blind eye long enough.

How many people in this country would say that bombing an abortion clinic is justified? I bet more than your figure of would-be suicide bombers.

mibwilso said:
I don’t support suicide bombing…and don’t know anyone who does.

What a bunch of crap. Palestinians have videos showing kids being taught to be suicide bombers and many radical Muslims consider suicide bombing as a form of martyrdom.

Where in the hell were you raised? In a bubble?

CosmosDan said:
But, I’m just a stupid Lib,

I agree and you display that very well, son.

mibwilso said:
Killing is already illegal in the US. So is domestic violence/abuse.

What would be the point of another law against killing or abuse…other than to make a political statement?

Presumably to put an end to stuff like this.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5670250/new_jersey_family_judge_accepts_sharia.html

mibwilso said:
Whoa. A whopping 8 percent!! Just conveniently omitting the other 92% (or 6,440,000) who don’t think that??

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That may be the most mind boggling in its pure D stupidity and willful head in the sand refusal to accept reality I have ever seen on any blog.

If you are genuinely sanguine about 500,000 people living in your country who think that occurrences such as 9/11 and the African Embassy bombings are legitimate and are evidence of piety there is no point in even talking to you.

notsofast said:
What a bunch of crap. Palestinians have videos showing kids being taught to be suicide bombers and many radical Muslims consider suicide bombing as a form of martyrdom.

Where in the hell were you raised? In a bubble?

I don’t KNOW anyone personally that does. Jeez…you’re so effing dense.

mibwilso said:
I don’t KNOW anyone personally that does.

Wow, I don’t know personally of anyone who murdered someone, so that must mean murder does not exist.

If your IQ ever hits 10, sell.

BadGenome said:
Presumably to put an end to stuff like this.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5670250/new_jersey_family_judge_accepts_sharia.html

And that decision was wrong (and was subsequently overturned). Rape and abuse are against the law already…and the courts ultimately upheld her request for a restraining order.

sarainitaly said:
t doesn’t look like TfT called him a liar, but his story was checked for truthiness, and it seems it he was playing loosey goosey with the facts.

I guess, saying it wasn’t really true , sounded like an accusation of lying to me, but I concede you are technically correct, and I do appreciate accurate language.

I don’t see that he was with the possible exception of his claim “it wasn’t until his remains were recovered”

I was just noting that one article is all it took for many to jump on the “he’s a liar and crying crocodile tears” band wagon. A little too eager to judge harshly IMO.

His point was that this young Muslim was suspected simply because of his religion and his grieving worried mother was subjected to it. That seems to be accurate. He never claimed it was widespread, or that the young man was never exonerated and praised.

mibwilso said:
Everyone of your idiot friends here is in denial. Bringing up the crusades, the Bible, Fox news, anything you can to ignore the fact that there are approaching 1 million willing suicide bombers in America, and 70 million liberals who say what, about it, again? The crusades…The old testament…the what? Peter King is pilloried by your liberal media just for talking about the facts. Why is that? These clowns could go to every mall and theater in America and cause terrorism in every state of the union. Just turn your blind eye long enough.

How many people in this country would say that bombing an abortion clinic is justified? I bet more than your figure of would-be suicide bombers.

Bringing up the crusades, the Bible, Fox news, abortion clinics…ANYTHING. Yep, the bible speaks to murder in the name of Christianity, where, again? Where is that sect of Christianity growing in the world, again?

Did you read my post that says the those that are down with suicide bombings are willing to do so in defense of ISLAM??? With 70 million liberals who point to what, as a defense, again? Abortion clinics???

mibwilso said:
Last i looked, the Catholic church has a LONG history of killing in the name of God.

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Please note I said “modern”.

The main difference between Catholic/Christianity and Islam is that the first has been moving away from that history for centuries while Islam is not one iota more tolerant of other religions and any human rights now then it was a thousand years ago.

It is the Judeo-Christian western culture that brought the world that idea that you praised in the beginning of these comments:

Freedom OF and FROM religion and many of the other ideas that are diametrically opposed to Islam.

Grammie said:
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That may be the most mind boggling in its pure D stupidity and willful head in the sand refusal to accept reality I have ever seen on any blog.

If you are genuinely sanguine about 500,000 people living in your country who think that occurrences such as 9/11 and the African Embassy bombings are legitimate and are evidence of piety there is no point in even talking to you.

There are 70 million of him, too.

mibwilso said:
And that decision was wrong (and was subsequently overturned). Rape and abuse are against the law already…and the courts ultimately upheld her request for a restraining order.

As I’m aware. But the argument against legislation that explicitly bans another such stupid ass judge from using sharia law to come to such a ridiculous decision is… what, exactly?

I believe that story is also a demonstration of how, however much you deny it, there are more than a few liberals don’t draw the line at defending Muslims against “persecution” for pluralism’s sake; they are willing, even eager, to mollycoddle them and all of their backwards ass ideas.

mibwilso said:
Last i looked, the Catholic church has a LONG history of killing in the name of God.

Problem is that Islam is having its Inquisition Stage TODAY, not 500 years ago. We all know that the Catholics were a murdering and expansive bunch of primarily illiterate followers been TOLD to murder heretics (infidels) at the Command of the Priests (Central Planners) for the heretics’ own good or salvation. An extremely ugly time in history. We should be very wary of a new bunch of assholes following suit.

Today Islam has a very similar level of illiteracy and very similar level of Hate for those that differ from there doctrine. Even the ones who pretty much go without the Hate have a difficult time of expressing this openly for fear of being labeled an Infidel or sympathizer.

Sharia Law is a Gov’t system, not a Religion. It is Compulsory, not Voluntary. Consent of the governed is not taken into account. Also the Koran was written so that is is contradictory, but it is the End of the Koran that takes precedence. The beginning is a healthy and kind view of mankind where the end is a proclamation to dominate the Earth with Sharia Law, which is contrary to Liberty.

I have no problem with Muslims, just their Religion. Catholics and less so Baptists I tolerate, but they can only go so far as to convert me. If I tell them to piss off and take their God with them, they’re not COMMANDED to kill me.

Big Difference.

*who don’t

Screw you and your lack of an edit button, Mediaite.

You’re nailing it again, Grammie. It would be like asking people in Europe if they’re more likely to have an attack from radical Islamists, or Attila the Hun. Attila certainly was a terror, but it doesn’t apply so much today.

mibwilso said:
And the muslim countries where those things are “law of the land” are usually dictatorships or oligarchies….not the democracies.

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You have circled right back to what you refuse to consider but is the basis of Islam.

Islam demands such a government. They have such governments b/c that is the will of Allah that governments enforce by any and all means Islamic laws.

Islam is the State and the State is Islam.

There is not one democratic Islamic government now or in the past that is a democracy such as Western civilization has produced.

NewsBusters: Will Media Attack Maher for Calling Koran ‘A Hate-filled Book’ and Saying Muslim Extremists are America’s Greatest Threat?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/03/12/will-media-attack-maher-calling-koran-hate-filled-book-and-saying-mus
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BILL MAHER’S A BROKEN CLOCK, RIGHT TWICE A DAY, AND HE’S RIGHT ON TIME.

theendisfar said:
theendisfar says:
March 12, 2011 at 1:56 pm

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Well said.

Grammie said:
You do realize, or perhaps you don’t, that Islam is unique in that it is based on the totally opposite premise that political structure, laws and customs are all to be governed by Islam.

In short, Islam is the State and the State is Islam.

http://www.aifdemocracy.org/about/members.php

I’ve been reading and listening to Dr Jasser in the past few days and I think he makes some excellent points.
He stresses that we must teach the separation of Islam and state and that Muslims must understand that Islam can be practiced as a faith, in a secular government, much like we’ve done with Christianity and other faiths.

He makes the point, as you are, that too often Muslims see Islam in a political light, and that’s why the lines are blurred. We need to clarify the separation of those lines. It’s difficult because most religions teach that we obey God first rather than the laws of man, but I think with effort it can be done.

The truth about Ellison fabricated story.

“The congressman told a teachable story this morning. One problem: It’s untrue.”

It is actually pretty close to the opposite of the truth. In fact, six weeks after the September 11 attacks — before Hamdani’s remains were identified, which Ellison implies to be the turning point of public perception — Congress signed the PATRIOT Act into law with this line included: “Many Arab Americans and Muslim Americans have acted heroically during the attacks on the United States, including Mohammed Salman Hamdani, a 23-year-old New Yorker of Pakistani descent, who is believed to have gone to the World Trade Center to offer rescue assistance and is now missing.” That is, Hamdani was actually singled out for particular high honors among the thousands of victims of the September 11 attacks.

There’s little evidence of the “rumors” of which Ellison speaks, either. Poke around yourself. Go to Google and search for Mohammed Salman Hamdani’s name, using various time frames from before today’s hearings (say, in the week after the September 11 attack). You’ll discover two discordant sets of returns: none for sites and news reports accusing Hamdani of being a terrorist, and many thousands of pages honoring him as a hero while claiming that he was “widely accused” of being a terrorist.

he was eulogized by the New York Times, had scholarship funds named after him, was honored by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly (both of whom went barefoot to honor Muslim practice) at his funeral, and has been celebrated over and over again by the media.

The belief that Mohammed Salman Hamdani was a victim of anti-Muslim bigotry was never based in reality. It was manufactured by the Left as a rhetorical prop, exploited as a bludgeon against people who want to talk seriously about terrorism. If Hamdani was singled out for his faith, it would appear he was singled out for especially high honors. Most 9/11 victims were not half so celebrated as he was. Rather than suffering from apocryphal American anti-Muslim bigotry, Salman Hamdani appears to have benefited from America’s eager inclusiveness.

Americans have long seen Mohammed Salman Hamdani as a hero. Too bad Representative Ellison saw him only as a prop.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/261903/rep-keith-ellison-s-bigotry-matthew-shaffer?page=1

Judge Mental said:
Christians do not think women should be subordinate to men.
Most Christians are not “anti-gay” (whatever that means).
Christians do not want their religion to be written into law.

Well, there are conservative Christians who want all those things. There just haven’t been as many violent ones.

The world population of Christians is estimated to be 2 billion. Those practicing Islam 1.3 billion. 60% of the world’s population is Christian. Watch what percentage of aid to Japan is from Christian nations as compared to Muslim nations. Anyone want to venture a guess? I’ll say 98% from Christian nations.

Does the discrepancy have anything at all to do with the teachings of Christ, and the teachings of Mohamed?

Bill Maher handled this subject and interview with professionalism and grace. I have a graduate degree in religion and there really was nothing wrong with the questions posed by Bill. If more Christians would ask themselves more of the tough questions instead of choosing to believe everything their corrupt political and religious leaders tell them, we’d probably have fewer screwed up idiots in this country. This conversation was one of the better and more honest to the “real heart of the matter” forms of discourse regarding Islam and terrorism. Both of these gentlemen handled themselves and the subject well. Too bad the same cannot be said of anyone on Fox News when their opinion pushers get on TV.

CosmosDan said:
He makes the point, as you are, that too often Muslims see Islam in a political light, and that’s why the lines are blurred. We need to clarify the separation of those lines. It’s difficult because most religions teach that we obey God first rather than the laws of man, but I think with effort it can be done.

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Meanwhile, exactly how do we protect ourselves and our freedoms from the hundreds and hundreds of Muslims who disagree with him.

Is it helpful that many Americans carry out a witch hunt against King and any other politician or citizens who think that we need to know exactly what is going on in those communities and how to encourage them to break away from that very powerful element in their midst whose sole aim is to destroy us?

ndanielson said:
The world population of Christians is estimated to be 2 billion. Those practicing Islam 1.3 billion. 60%*** of the world’s population is Christian. Watch what percentage of aid to Japan is from Christian nations as compared to Muslim nations. Anyone want to venture a guess? I’ll say 98% from Christian nations.

Does the discrepancy have anything at all to do with the teachings of Christ, and the teachings of Mohamed?

60%*** of the worlds largest practicing religions, with 2nd being Muslim.

mibwilso said:
Abortion clinic bombers don’t speak for all Christians do they???? If not, then neither does the Ft Hood Shooter or Al Qaeda speak for all of Islam.

Jeez…what’s so hard to grasp about that?

You wouldn’t think it would be. Certainly from a pure numbers standpoint , we have good reason to be concerned about violence from radical Islam and the recruitment of Muslim Americans. My issue is that as our own rhetoric becomes more and more lumping all Muslims together and painting them all with the same brush, you’re only helping the radical recruiters and making their “See, America Hates you for your religion” seem more likely.

hundreds and hundreds S/b hundreds and hundreds of millions.

Maybe someone will tell me how many Muslims are in Japan helping people in need……Just kidding!! I know the answer…the same number that were in Chili,and Indonesia,and Catrina.As a matter of fact! you could add all of them up,and still get “Zero”…..”Nothing – from Nothing – leaves nothing”,The Muslims have nothing! but for their own.

Is it possible to ‘recruit’ someone who isn’t already leaning that way? Hard to believe a peace loving person would suddenly say ‘Yeah, let’s blow someone up.”

CosmosDan said:
You wouldn’t think it would be. Certainly from a pure numbers standpoint , we have good reason to be concerned about violence from radical Islam and the recruitment of Muslim Americans. My issue is that as our own rhetoric becomes more and more lumping all Muslims together and painting them all with the same brush, you’re only helping the radical recruiters and making their “See, America Hates you for your religion” seem more likely.

Only the church does not seek to actively recruit suicide bombers. There are Mosques in Islam that actively seek to recruit suicide bombers, and their current book of worship, the Koran, condones it, and has provisions for it, and even has an allowance, akin to a crusade, called Jihad to accomplish it! You’d think you idiots could at least see that, no?

Grammie said:
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Meanwhile, exactly how do we protect ourselves and our freedoms from the hundreds and hundreds of Muslims who disagree with him.

Is it helpful that many Americans carry out a witch hunt against King and any other politician or citizens who think that we need to know exactly what is going on in those communities and how to encourage them to break away from that very powerful element in their midst whose sole aim is to destroy us?

Maybe we can make an effort to get to know the Muslims in our community. When a Christian Pastor in TN allowed his Muslim neighbors to use his building he was criticized. From what I’ve read, there are already efforts underway, and have been for years , to engage Muslim communities. Haven’t we been hearing about Muslims that have helped uncover plots? We need to figure out how to honor our own principle of freedom of worship, while still protecting ourselves. Maybe learning from actual Muslim Americans is a good idea. Participate in interfaith groups etc.
I think what was being questioned about King was his approach to a real problem. It’s a tricky line to walk. I question the usefulness of a public display. Concerning King in particular I would have liked to have heard him praise the Muslim Americans who have helped us, as an example. Did he? And, If he’s going to spout numbers about Mosques be radicalized ,he ought to have a credible source. That’s his job.
It is a serious issue, but that doesn’t mean he’s not above using it for a political agenda.
What have you learned from the hearings that you think will help keep America safe?

CosmosDan said:
http://www.aifdemocracy.org/about/members.php I’ve been reading and listening to Dr Jasser in the past few days and I think he makes some excellent points.He stresses that we must teach the separation of Islam and state and that Muslims must understand that Islam can be practiced as a faith, in a secular government, much like we’ve done with Christianity and other faiths. He makes the point, as you are, that too often Muslims see Islam in a political light, and that’s why the lines are blurred. We need to clarify the separation of those lines. It’s difficult because most religions teach that we obey God first rather than the laws of man, but I think with effort it can be done.

Zuhdi Jasser: “But we have to start understanding as a community that the only way to defeat this is to get back the moral courage of Islam, to declare that the Islamists are our enemies and that we are Americans first and Muslims second, because our faith will never be questioned between us and God personally. But what gives us our freedom to be Muslims is our country.” http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/23/gb.01.html

I brought up that quote yesterday in response to this comment:

mibwilso said:
Well, Mr X-3 just said it was a “Muslim problem that should be solved by Muslims”…..that sounds a hell of a lot like lumping them together to me.

I didn’t get a response. What’s your response?

Emma said:
Defending religion is the basic error made by both the right and the left. Just like unicorns and other fables, religion should have no place in rational 21st century thought.

Hey Emma the rationalist, believes share with me the “rational” explanation for how the universe created itself? And while you are at it, please give me the “rational” explanation for how time and space can be infinite. Or if you think time and space are finite, please share with me the “rational” explanation” for that.

sarainitaly said:
“The Qur’an Is A ‘Hate Filled Holy Book” So, where is all the liberal outrage? Where’s Sharpton? Where are the world wide protests and riots? The bomb threats? Where is the media hysteria? Where is Obama asking Maher to “listen to those better angels”.Is Obama going to tell Maher that, “This country has been built on the notion of freedom and religious tolerance.” and “is completely contrary to our values as Americans.” I seem to recall quite a fall out when some dude no one had ever heard of decided to burn a Qur’an, and yet Bill Maher goes on TV and tells a Muslim member of Congress to his face that “The Qur’an Is A ‘Hate Filled Holy Book” and there is nary a peep? Huh. Interesting.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Maher didn’t burn the koran and just made a comment. Maybe it has something to do with Maher being a late night comic and not a christian minister. Maybe it has something to do with Maher making the comment on a cable show versus staging a public event.

Dee Smith said:
I think if Liberals wake up we will have our country back!!

Better chance of waking up George Washington and having him run for President again.

mibwilso said:
My point is really very direct.

***If abortion clinic bombers don’t represent all Christians, then neither does a terrorist (or a Ft Hood shooter) speak for all Muslims.***

That’s it. Period. Every religion has nutjobs….and every religion has reasonable people.

France24 – Alleged killer of liberal governor hailed hero in Karachi
Jan 9, 2011 … “Mumtaz Qadri is not a murderer, he is a hero,” said one banner in the … Lahore shuts down as Pakistan mourns assassinated governor …
http://www.france24.com/…/20110109-assasination-governor-salman-taseer-karachi-demonstration-qadri-pakistan – Cached

Hero’s welcome for accused killer of Pakistani governor Salman …
Jan 6, 2011 … THE accused killer of a prominent Pakistani governor received a hero’s welcome as he arrived at an Islamabad court.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/…/heros…pakistani-governor…/story-e6frg6so-

Muslim scholars praise killer of Pakistan governor – World news …
Jan 5, 2011 … Even so-called moderate Muslim scholars praised 26-year-old Mumtaz Qadri for allegedly killing Punjab province Gov. Salman Taseer on Tuesday …
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/…/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/ –

Why do you suppose that the vast majority of Pakistanis consider the murderers of Liberal Muslim politicians and Christian politicians, heroes?

Calvin said:
What’s your response?

Do you think the “bulk of the fight will have to be undertaken by Muslims themselves”?

timzank said:
Hey Liberals, read this:
In Islam, the public veneration of idols and statues is strictly prohibited.

…well, except for that black rock we walk around in circles.

mibwilso said:
An assassination is simply murder for poltical or religious reasons. That’s the definition.

as·sas·sin   
[uh-sas-in] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a murderer, especially one who kills a politically prominent person for fanatical or monetary reasons.
2.
( initial capital letter ) one of an order of Muslim fanatics, active in Persia and Syria from about 1090 to 1272, whose chief object was to assassinate Crusaders.

Calvin said:
But it wasn’t even “some” that accused the young man of being a terrorist.:

It wasn’t. What was it?

Calvin said:
Web pages that do source the claim that Hamndani was “widely accused” of being a terrorist typically trace back to a single report from the New York Post, dated Oct. 12, 2001, and titled “Missing — or Hiding?

What does “traced back to” mean? Could it mean that the story from that one article was repeated on other pages and blogs? If so, wouldn’t that constitute “some” just as he said.

Was his mother questioned because of his religion? That seems factual right?

Maybe the story was overplayed, or at least has a couple of valid ways to look at it,but I don’t see any reason to base all the posts claiming Ellison is a liar crying crocodile tears, from that one article. Again, it’s being a little to eager to believe the worst of someone based on very little.

mibwilso said:
Huh? Look up assassination in the dictionary, son. “Assassination: murder in a surprise attack for political or religious reasons”

You do realize the Muslim origin of the word “assassin”, right?

as·sas·sin   
[uh-sas-in] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a murderer, especially one who kills a politically prominent person for fanatical or monetary reasons.
2.
( initial capital letter ) one of an order of Muslim fanatics, active in Persia and Syria from about 1090 to 1272, whose chief object was to assassinate Crusaders.

TheEagle said:
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Maher didn’t burn the koran and just made a comment. Maybe it has something to do with Maher being a late night comic and not a christian minister. Maybe it has something to do with Maher making the comment on a cable show versus staging a public event.

The Pastor didn’t burn the Qur’an.

Ok, I get it. it’s ok because he’s a late night liberal talk show host and he made the public statement on a public TV show, and ………

no, sorry. I don’t get it.

CosmosDan said:
It wasn’t. What was it?

What does “traced back to” mean? Could it mean that the story from that one article was repeated on other pages and blogs? If so, wouldn’t that constitute “some” just as he said.

Was his mother questioned because of his religion? That seems factual right?

Maybe the story was overplayed, or at least has a couple of valid ways to look at it,but I don’t see any reason to base all the posts claiming Ellison is a liar crying crocodile tears, from that one article. Again, it’s being a little to eager to believe the worst of someone based on very little.

Crocodile tears for one Muslim killed (ironically by Muslims). Not one mention of the Muslim murderers or the other 2,999 murdered, by Muslims. But when you are sworn into office on the Koran, your fidelity to your nation is without question, huh, cosmos?

yoda – you are wrong.

And you are also violating a gazillion copyrights.

Calvin said:
I didn’t get a response. What’s your response?

I like Jasser and really appreciate his voice of reason and intelligence on an important issue. I also read a little piece where he was attacked by Islamaphobe shit stirrer Pam Geller, for even suggesting Islam could be compatible with America. It’s her kind of fear mongering I can’t stand and think we need to identify her attitude as hateful, just as we do any other hateful rhetoric, including Muslims.

My personal opinion is that it’s going to be hard to teach it the way he explains it. Religions teach to put God first rather than country.Most devout Christians wouldn’t say I’m an American first and my faith comes second. God and Jesus come first, period.
I do think we can teach that Islam is compatible with our legal system, and to educate a new generation about the difference between faith and old traditions. I think what he is stressing is that America offers freedom to worship, {providing Americans actually live by that principle} You can see how Mosques being picketed and people screaming GO HOME to American Muslims might give them pause to believe we embrace religious freedom.
freedom of worship is a great thing and we must understand that claiming your right to worship as you choose and practice your religious traditions , means extending that right to others. Muslims must also understand that their religious traditions cannot supersede our systems of laws. The Christian who killed Dr Tiller was a murderer and so is anyone guilty of an honor killing. Your religious beliefs do not allow you to violate our laws with impunity.
We have freedom of speech and sometimes religions and religious figures get mocked. If that’s not for you then America is not for you. Period.
My understanding of Shariah law is that it is a guideline of behavior and practices made from Islamic tradition. Other religions have something similar, but we’ve already established in this country that religious beliefs cannot rise above the law. I think that’s also what Jasser is talking about , and I agree.

notsofast said:
What a bunch of crap. Palestinians have videos showing kids being taught to be suicide bombers and many radical Muslims consider suicide bombing as a form of martyrdom.

Where in the hell were you raised? In a bubble?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ttLgzrT8k0

Horrific video of a child sending her suicide bomber mother to her death

By MATTHEW KALMAN

Last updated at 12:50 23 March 2007

Palestinian TV is showing a music video in which a four-year-old girl sings the praises of her suicide bomber mother and vows to follow in her footsteps.

The little girl grasps a stick of dynamite from a drawer in her mother’s dressing-table and says: “I will follow Mummy”.

ndanielson said:
. But when you are sworn into office on the Koran, your fidelity to your nation is without question, huh, cosmos?

Man that’s funny. I don’t care if they’re sworn in on their PlayStation instruction manual. Integrity is in the person,and their character not any book. more than a few have sworn an oath on the Bible and screwed the public big time.

The Bible is also a hate filled holy book.

“How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones against the rock,” (Psalm 137:9).

Hosea (9:15)

1Rejoice not, O Israel, for joy, as other people: for thou hast gone a whoring from thy God, thou hast loved a reward upon every cornfloor.
2The floor and the winepress shall not feed them, and the new wine shall fail in her.

3They shall not dwell in the LORD’S land; but Ephraim shall return to Egypt, and they shall eat unclean things in Assyria.

4They shall not offer wine offerings to the LORD, neither shall they be pleasing unto him: their sacrifices shall be unto them as the bread of mourners; all that eat thereof shall be polluted: for their bread for their soul shall not come into the house of the LORD.

5What will ye do in the solemn day, and in the day of the feast of the LORD?

6For, lo, they are gone because of destruction: Egypt shall gather them up, Memphis shall bury them: the pleasant places for their silver, nettles shall possess them: thorns shall be in their tabernacles.

7The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.

8The watchman of Ephraim was with my God: but the prophet is a snare of a fowler in all his ways, and hatred in the house of his God.

9They have deeply corrupted themselves, as in the days of Gibeah: therefore he will remember their iniquity, he will visit their sins.

10I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

11As for Ephraim, their glory shall fly away like a bird, from the birth, and from the womb, and from the conception.

12Though they bring up their children, yet will I bereave them, that there shall not be a man left: yea, woe also to them when I depart from them!

13Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place: but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer.

14Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

15All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

16Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.

17My God will cast them away, because they did not hearken unto him: and they shall be wanderers among the nations.

Samuel 15

15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

felixw said:
Better chance of waking up George Washington and having him run for President again.

That’s the truth!!!

mibwilso said:
Last i looked, the Catholic church has a LONG history of killing in the name of God.

“The cruel consequences of religiously motivated violence are only too evident to us all. Violence does not build up the kingdom of God, the kingdom of humanity. On the contrary, it is a favourite instrument of the Antichrist, however idealistic its religious motivation may be. It serves not humanity, but inhumanity.” Jesus, he said, was not a Zealot. He rejected the idea of political violence and his “whole ministry and his message … point in a radically different direction”.

“No,” the Pope said, “violent revolution, killing others in God’s name, was not his way. His ‘zeal’ for the kingdom of God took quite a different form.” – Pope Benedict XVI

Calvin said:
Do you think the “bulk of the fight will have to be undertaken by Muslims themselves”?

I don’t know. I tend to be a “we’re in this together” kind of guy. No matter what our religious views are or aren’t.
I think anyone coming to America and making a conscious decision to live here and raise a family here has to be willing to accept some basics about our society and culture. Diversity of beliefs and lifestyles is a big one. If you want to live a reserved disciplined life, fine. If you want to drink and go to orgies, that’s your choice. Basically, don’t harm others, and defend the liberties you want, for them as well. Respect someones right to be different and choose differently.

With that in mind I think Muslims like Jasser and Ellison can play an important role in creating a bridge to and for Muslim Americans. I posted a link to a good article on HuffPo about Muslim police officers making headway in Muslim communities. Don’t know if you saw it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/09/muslim-cops-put-faith-liv_n_833739.html
So, while Muslims can and will play a major role, I think non Muslim’s must as well, by promoting understanding and interfaith communication.
As Jasser says, Muslims must see themselves as Americans, so must Non Muslims. Cultural dress and religion doesn’t make them less American.

Jayson said:
The Bible is also a hate filled holy book.

“How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones against the rock,” (Psalm 137:9).

Hosea (9:15)

1Rejoice not, O Israel, for joy, as other people: for thou hast gone a whoring from thy God, thou hast loved a reward upon every cornfloor.
2The floor and the winepress shall not feed them, and the new wine shall fail in her.

3They shall not dwell in the LORD’S land; but Ephraim shall return to Egypt, and they shall eat unclean things in Assyria.

4They shall not offer wine offerings to the LORD, neither shall they be pleasing unto him: their sacrifices shall be unto them as the bread of mourners; all that eat thereof shall be polluted: for their bread for their soul shall not come into the house of the LORD.

5What will ye do in the solemn day, and in the day of the feast of the LORD?

6For, lo, they are gone because of destruction: Egypt shall gather them up, Memphis shall bury them: the pleasant places for their silver, nettles shall possess them: thorns shall be in their tabernacles.

7The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.

8The watchman of Ephraim was with my God: but the prophet is a snare of a fowler in all his ways, and hatred in the house of his God.

9They have deeply corrupted themselves, as in the days of Gibeah: therefore he will remember their iniquity, he will visit their sins.

10I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

11As for Ephraim, their glory shall fly away like a bird, from the birth, and from the womb, and from the conception.

12Though they bring up their children, yet will I bereave them, that there shall not be a man left: yea, woe also to them when I depart from them!

13Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place: but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer.

14Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

15All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

16Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.

17My God will cast them away, because they did not hearken unto him: and they shall be wanderers among the nations.

Samuel 15

15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Let’s see you find some hate-filled quotes from Jesus.

CosmosDan said:
Man that’s funny. I don’t care if they’re sworn in on their PlayStation instruction manual. Integrity is in the person,and their character not any book. more than a few have sworn an oath on the Bible and screwed the public big time.

He took enough of a stand against the Bible that even an idiot could see. Right over your head, though. And 0bama was sworn in on the Bible, so your second assertion certainly holds true.

sarainitaly said:
The Pastor didn’t burn the Qur’an. Ok, I get it. it’s ok because he’s a late night liberal talk show host and he made the public statement on a public TV show, and ……… no, sorry. I don’t get it.

Yes in the end he didn’t because of the outcry and I never said that it was OK for Maher to make the statement. Just that it was not fair to equate the two.

writer said:
Is it possible to ‘recruit’ someone who isn’t already leaning that way? Hard to believe a peace loving person would suddenly say ‘Yeah, let’s blow someone up.”

There’s actually a good movie about two young men in Palestine , grew up there, and are suddenly called by this group to be martyrs. It explores their feelings and their friend who is telling them not to do it because it’s not the answer. I’ll look up the name and tell you sometime. Worth a watch.
Can you imagine people who have had relatives killed by drones or children killed as collateral damage, being swayed?
Hatred can be nurtured and built upon.
I saw an interview with Bill Russell a few months back. His father had been part of the bug migration north of Black Americans leaving the south. He said his father told him, he left the south because if he had stayed he would have killed somebody or would have been killed.

ndanielson said:
He took enough of a stand against the Bible that even an idiot could see.

What nonsense. He was alre4ady sworn in and the Quaran ceremony was just that. A ceremony. He’s a Muslim and has been for years so he didn’t take any stand against anything, anymore than swearing on the Bible is taking a stand against another religion. It’s personal preference and belief. I wonder what our atheist rep swore in on.

CosmosDan said:
Maybe we can make an effort to get to know the Muslims in our community.

CosmosDan said:
I also read a little piece where he was attacked by Islamaphobe shit stirrer Pam Geller, for even suggesting Islam could be compatible with America. It’s her kind of fear mongering I can’t stand and think we need to identify her attitude as hateful, just as we do any other hateful rhetoric, including Muslims.

CosmosDan said:
That’s my problem with people so eager to apply labels and motives. Once it starts making the rounds in the blogs people start embracing it without really examining it.

Just wondering, Dan (and I am not defending or knocking Geller, don’t know enough about her, I am just asking) based on your comments above – has it ever occurred to you that maybe she DID make the effort to get to know the Muslim community?

It has certainly made the rounds in the blogs that she is a “hateful shit stirrer” but, so is just about anyone, according to the left, that speaks out against anything the liberals deem worthy.

But, you said “maybe we can get to know the Muslims in our community”….maybe she did?

TheEagle said:
Yes in the end he didn’t because of the outcry and I never said that it was OK for Maher to make the statement. Just that it was not fair to equate the two.

Why? They both consider it an evil book.

The point is, there was an outcry. Where is the outcry now?

Why isn’t it fair to equate the two? I will tell you why.
Because Bill is a liberal, and liberals will not make a big deal about it.
Now, had ANY Conservative said it?

Have no doubt, the Muslims want to have a Muslim world just like the Christians want a Christian world but the difference between the two is Christians pass out bibles and Muslims pass out bombs.

sarainitaly said:
CosmosDan said:
I also read a little piece where he was attacked by Islamaphobe shit stirrer Pam Geller, for even suggesting Islam could be compatible with America.

Your shit stirrers are only those that speak out on radical Islamic, and not the radicals. You are the shit being stirred, cosmosclown. Geller makes excellent points at many of Breitbart websites, Sara. Check out BigJournalism, or BigPeace, or BigGovernment, or BigHollywood to see what a shit stirrer cosmosclown is.

Won’t hold my breath waiting for Rachel Maddow to organize a GLBT MARCH in the streets of Pakistan…

The REAL problem is a huge majority of all Muslims in the world would look the other way with silent approval as radicals amongst them murdered everybody else in their way of Islam.

Islam has always been that way.

sarainitaly said:
Just wondering, Dan (and I am not defending or knocking Geller, don’t know enough about her, I am just asking) based on your comments above – has it ever occurred to you that maybe she DID make the effort to get to know the Muslim community?

It has certainly made the rounds in the blogs that she is a “hateful shit stirrer” but, so is just about anyone, according to the left, that speaks out against anything the liberals deem worthy.

But, you said “maybe we can get to know the Muslims in our community”….maybe she did?

Geller blogs at Atlas Shrugs. Very good posts on the type of Islamic exposure that cosmosclown hates. She stirs his type well.

sarainitaly said:
Just wondering, Dan (and I am not defending or knocking Geller, don’t know enough about her, I am just asking) based on your comments above – has it ever occurred to you that maybe she DID make the effort to get to know the Muslim community?

It has certainly made the rounds in the blogs that she is a “hateful shit stirrer” but, so is just about anyone, according to the left, that speaks out against anything the liberals deem worthy.

But, you said “maybe we can get to know the Muslims in our community”….maybe she did?

Honestly Sara, I don’t know. It’s the extreme of her position that forms my judgment, and her reputation of dishonest claims to try and make her point.
Seems like OKeefe got to her with his fake web site.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/03/08/okeefe_npr_pamela_geller

Maybe I need to take my own advice not judge her so harshly, but everything I’ve read about her and by her says extremist, and while I might be able to understand the emotional opposition against Park51, which was her ticket to the national dialogue, I can’t accept blanket opposition to Mosques and community centers around the country which she has been a part of. IMO, it’s an unacceptable violation of a basic founding principle.
Dr Jasser whom I see as an intelligent reasonable voice opposing radical Islam had this to say,
“While I appreciate the fact that honest disagreements are par for the course in this intensely difficult and controversial issue, Geller’s attacks go far beyond ideology, employing a mixture of fabrications and libelous character assassination. Amusingly, the methods she and her cohorts use to dismiss my work share common cause and technique with the Islamists. ” http://www.mzuhdijasser.com/8775/american-islamists-pamela-geller
You can do your own research and be the judge

Grammie said:
.Along with Spain and the Balkans and Poland and a few others..

No, never Poland. It was Polish armies that stopped the spread of Islam and gave rise to the croisant!

ndanielson said:
Geller blogs at Atlas Shrugs. Very good posts on the type of Islamic exposure that cosmosclown hates. She stirs his type well.

I am familiar with her, I just don’t know everything about her enough to defend or knock her.

I just want to know if he ever considered maybe she knows what she is talking about…

sarainitaly said:
I am familiar with her, I just don’t know everything about her enough to defend or knock her.

I just want to know if he ever considered maybe she knows what she is talking about…

Sara? His endearing term for her leaves you any doubt?

sarainitaly said:
Why? They both consider it an evil book. The point is, there was an outcry. Where is the outcry now? Why isn’t it fair to equate the two? I will tell you why.Because Bill is a liberal, and liberals will not make a big deal about it.Now, had ANY Conservative said it?

It is unfair because Maher is a late night comic and didn’t plan to burn the book.

Islam is the religion of peace. No really! This guy should have been a used car salesman, or a politician. Oh wait.

So why is cosmosclown a liberal clown?

Salon.com, part of Salon Media Group (OTCBB: SLNM), often just called Salon, is an online magazine, with content updated each weekday. Salon was founded by David Talbot and launched on November 20, 1995. It was the internet’s first online-only commercial publication.[citation needed] The magazine focuses on U.S. politics and current affairs, and on reviews and articles about music, books and films. Its political viewpoint is (American) liberal.

Salon’s headquarters are located west of downtown San Francisco, California. Its current Editor in Chief is Kerry Lauerman. Long-time Editor in Chief Joan Walsh stepped down from that position in November 2010 to concentrate on writing a book, but has stayed on at Salon.com as Editor at Large.[1]

Why, his source of choice, of course. And a head stuffed full of liberal dogma.

mibwilso said:
My point is really very direct. ***If abortion clinic bombers don’t represent all Christians, then neither does a terrorist (or a Ft Hood shooter) speak for all Muslims.*** That’s it. Period. Every religion has nutjobs….and every religion has reasonable people.

OH, do you have videos, or have you seen videos, of thousands of Muslims around the world and in the US dancing in the streets and celebrating 9/11 when it happened? Please post them, I’d like to see them.

CosmosDan said:
Honestly Sara, I don’t know. It’s the extreme of her position that forms my judgment, and her reputation of dishonest claims to try and make her point.Seems like OKeefe got to her with his fake web site.http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/03/08/okeefe_npr_pamela_geller Maybe I need to take my own advice not judge her so harshly, but everything I’ve read about her and by her says extremist, and while I might be able to understand the emotional opposition against Park51, which was her ticket to the national dialogue, I can’t accept blanket opposition to Mosques and community centers around the country which she has been a part of. IMO, it’s an unacceptable violation of a basic founding principle.Dr Jasser whom I see as an intelligent reasonable voice opposing radical Islam had this to say,“While I appreciate the fact that honest disagreements are par for the course in this intensely difficult and controversial issue, Geller’s attacks go far beyond ideology, employing a mixture of fabrications and libelous character assassination. Amusingly, the methods she and her cohorts use to dismiss my work share common cause and technique with the Islamists. ” http://www.mzuhdijasser.com/8775/american-islamists-pamela-gellerYou can do your own research and be the judge

Thanks for putting this site up to look at. I can see it is interesting and I like this guy having seen him on TV a few times. Hopefully he will enlighten a few people out there including myself.

Maher’s an atheist. He rightly believes all holy books are filled with as much hate as good.

OxyCon said:
Let’s see you find some hate-filled quotes from Jesus

Its the bible, a book some proclaim to be the book of books. Asking about friendly Jesus quotes doesn’t change the book from what it is..
Theres a fair amount of hatred in the bible, and my point was, since Mayer has labeled the Qur’an a hate filled holy book, maybe he should label the bible a hate filled holy book also.

Correction to my last comment. Maher, not Mayer.

TheEagle said:
It is unfair because Maher is a late night comic and didn’t plan to burn the book.

not buying it. got anything else?

CosmosDan said:
You can see how Mosques being picketed and people screaming GO HOME to American Muslims might give them pause to believe we embrace religious freedom.

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BUT does that have the weight of a vigorously enforced law? Isn’t that an example of two rights being exercised by two different groups with BOTH having the equal protection of the law.

I have been meandering around google now and then reading about Sharia and legal systems in Islamic governments.

The more I read and know the more appalled I become that those ideas are being promoted here and have gained a fair amount of support in the shape of false equivalencies and calls by non Muslim Americans for tolerance and acceptance.

I don’t care what their spokesmen say. The only evidence that I now accept is how Islamic governments are organized and what is actually done in those governments. There are many out there and there is not one of them that I consider living in as a citizen. There are also many, the so called “moderate” secular ones, that I wouldn’t even consider visiting even with the protection of American citizenship.

Knowledge can be an impetus for tolerance and acceptance of cultures and religions that are foreign to us. It can even lead to great admiration and sometimes emulation.

It can also be the impetus for a total rejection and a willingness to fight and struggle to eradicate it before it becomes an influence in your own culture. That is the point that I have reached with Muslims who are unwilling to assimilate themselves into our system and attempt to reshape and reform us to their way. Their way is that Islam is supreme in every facet of both public and private life enforced by violence and death upon non believers.

Does this mean that I spit, scream and attack Muslims on an individual or group basis? NO! Does this mean that I am cruel and devious with Muslims as a matter of course? NO! Does this mean that I am prejudiced against Muslims? NO! it does not b/c I have been learning about them and that knowledge is what I base my opinions upon.

I have several acquaintances who are Muslims and are quite pleasant people with me as am I with them. There is no cause for anything else. I have a casual public relationship with them in the normal course of life. That does not mean that I either endorse nor oppose their political and social lives b/c I don’t interact with them at that level.

If, however, any of them became active in my community to influence it in any way towards an Islamic view of something I would fight them tooth and nail.

jo hoochie said:
Thanks for putting this site up to look at. I can see it is interesting and I like this guy having seen him on TV a few times. Hopefully he will enlighten a few people out there including myself.

You’re welcome. I think he makes some excellent points and I’m glad to have become aware of him.

I appreciate the fact that he embraces the founding principle of freedom to worship, while still addressing a serious problem in an intelligent way.

mibwilso said:
Last i looked, the Catholic church has a LONG history of killing in the name of God.

And it was wrong and it was stopped. Now, when are the Muslims going to stop killing in the name of religion?

Grammie said:
I have several acquaintances who are Muslims and are quite pleasant people with me as am I with them. There is no cause for anything else. I have a casual public relationship with them in the normal course of life. That does not mean that I either endorse nor oppose their political and social lives b/c I don’t interact with them at that level.

My Grammie always told me she wasn’t prejudice, she just thinks you should stick to your own kind.

RichS said:
No, never Poland. It was Polish armies that stopped the spread of Islam and gave rise to the croisant!

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And don’t forget Dracula for defeating the Turks in Romania.

CosmosDan said:
You’re welcome. I think he makes some excellent points and I’m glad to have become aware of him.

I appreciate the fact that he embraces the founding principle of freedom to worship, while still addressing a serious problem in an intelligent way.

But he’s invited on Fox fairly often, cosmosclown, how does that square with the Fox lies?

Newt Limbaugh said:
My Grammie always told me she wasn’t prejudice, she just thinks you should stick to your own kind.

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Well, that explains you now, doesn’t it.

RichS said:
Does anyone know how many Roman Catholic Church exist in Saudi Arabia?

I know, it’s only Wikipedia, but for what it’s worth, here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_Saudi_Arabia

Islamists have a well-established transnational global network of entities hatched from Islamist groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoots. Whether we care to admit it or not, Islamists are at war intellectually and kinetically with western liberal democracies. – Dr. Zuhdi Jasser

When will the United States learn that our current behavior and lack of a coordinated existential strategy since 9-11 is obviously not working? – Dr. Zuhdi Jasser

Wow, cosmosclown, your own hero on the nature of Islam in America???

RichS said:
Does anyone know how many Roman Catholic Church exist in Saudi Arabia?

The same number as should be allowed for mosques to exist anywhere where people are normal.

ZERO!

sarainitaly said:
not buying it. got anything else?

Funny, I’m not buying your false analogy either. Especially since Maher regularly bashes all religions.

Islamists like Shahzad want America out of their way so they can spread their supremacist ideology of political Islam. They indoctrinate some Muslims that their goal of an Islamic state and its shar’iah law is superior to our Constitutional republic. Meanwhile, other Muslims who do not believe in the Islamic state, are either ignored or silent. – Dr. Zuhdi Jasser

Sounds like Jasser is less of a skeptic of the Islamisation of America than 70 million liberals in this country. He goes on:

Our leaders must wake up and engage in the global war of ideas and demonstrate that the rule of one law that protects universal religious freedom (Americanism) takes precedence over the Islamic state. America in fact provides the best atmosphere for Muslims to practice our faith and it is long overdue for American Muslims to also wake up and empower honest reformist Muslims to declare the ‘Islamic state’ dead. We will never slow down the recurrence of Islamist terror against our citizenry until such a movement from Muslims against political Islam is palpable. – Dr Zuhdi Jasser

I doubt Salon would ever run a Jasser article this critical of Islam, cosmosclown.

CosmosDan said:
Can you imagine people who have had relatives killed by drones or children killed as collateral damage, being swayed?

I worked with a former Algerian about ten years ago that brought up this same argument. He said that it is not hard to figure out who you hate once you find French manufacturers names on the bomb fragments that obliterated your family. A man who loses his family will gladly end his miserable life for revenge.

He wasn’t defending the taking of innocent lives for innocent lives, but was simply showing that ‘collateral’ damage begets collateral damage.

However, I also worked with a former Iraqi, then Lebanese, then American who experienced the brutality of the Middle East. He and his family fled Hussein in the late 70′s. I asked him about whether the Iraqis would see Americans as liberators or not. He said some would, but most have been hardened beyond modern civilization. The Gov’t of Iraq was brutal and arbitrary. You could only count on the Govt for punishment, not relief. 30 years of this kind of living destroys one’s understanding of altruism.

Shitty situation for all.

Grammie said:
BUT does that have the weight of a vigorously enforced law? Isn’t that an example of two rights being exercised by two different groups with BOTH having the equal protection of the law.

Sure. I would never tell people they’re not allowed to protest. I would point out that their protest is probably hurting more than helping. Anger, resentment , xenophobia, usually begets more of the same.

I heard something the other day about mother Theresa. She wouldn’t protest against anything, but would protest for something positive. She wouldn’t attend an anti-war rally, but would attend a rally promoting peace. A subtle difference I find very intriguing.

Grammie said:
I don’t care what their spokesmen say. The only evidence that I now accept is how Islamic governments are organized and what is actually done in those governments.

Okay, but the point for me is that we don’t have and won’t have a theocracy, even if some % of Muslims or Christians want that. We’ve successfully prevented religion from having too much sway in our form of government since our founding. I see no reason to worry about a small minority of Muslims who may want Shariah law to be the law of the land, anymore than I worry about fundamentalist Christians having their way.

Grammie said:
It can also be the impetus for a total rejection and a willingness to fight and struggle to eradicate it before it becomes an influence in your own culture.

Eradicate what? Islam? Shariah law? We don’t tell people how to worship, we just enforce the laws of the land and insist that those who live here obey them. That’s it. That’s all we have to do.

Grammie said:
That is the point that I have reached with Muslims who are unwilling to assimilate themselves into our system and attempt to reshape and reform us to their way.

I’m not sure exactly what you mean by assimilate, but if that means, obeying the laws of the land, I’m with you on that. I think we need to address the actions rather than the religion, while stressing the need to comply with the law. You don’t get to live in our country and ignore them.

Grammie said:
If, however, any of them became active in my community to influence it in any way towards an Islamic view of something I would fight them tooth and nail.

And have they? We don’t get to impose our standards of morals on others. Lots of different cultures have come here and had a hard time adjusting. Old cultural traditions take generations to fade.
Right now and for some time we’ve had resistance to equality for gay Americans because of our own cultural and religious views. It takes time and effort to overcome that. Muslims who understand that there is compatibility between our form of government and their beliefs.

Emma said:
Explain to me how religion, based on fables and false narratives should guide us politically in the 21st century?

OK, take the Ten Commandments. Even if you discard the first three or four (depending of your Bible), that deal with God, are you against the rest? Is it OK, to disrespect your parents? OK to kill, spread STD with adultery, lie, cheat and steal? Is it OK to stab your friend in the back and make whoopie with his wife or her husband?

Never mind! Everyone already knows your answer.

CosmosDan said:
http://www.aifdemocracy.org/about/members.php I’ve been reading and listening to Dr Jasser in the past few days and I think he makes some excellent points.He stresses that we must teach the separation of Islam and state and that Muslims must understand that Islam can be practiced as a faith, in a secular government, much like we’ve done with Christianity and other faiths. He makes the point, as you are, that too often Muslims see Islam in a political light, and that’s why the lines are blurred. We need to clarify the separation of those lines. It’s difficult because most religions teach that we obey God first rather than the laws of man, but I think with effort it can be done.

They see Islam in a political light because Mohammed used Islam to gain and keep control of the dictatorship that he established with a sword. The split between the too big factions of Islam wasn’t over a question of the tenents of faith but over who was to be the new dictator. Sounds like a very political religion from its very begining.

mibwilso said:
Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are simply three different ways of describing the same thing.

It’s so silly when members of any of these faiths try to act like their faith is so different from the others.

They all have very similar beliefs…the only real difference is in the phrasing.

All of these faiths have both militant and pacifist wings….and all of these faiths have both liberal and conservative wings.

mibwilso’s post, above, should be included in all future dictionaries as an illustration of the word: IGNORANCE.

theendisfar said:
You could only count on the Govt for punishment, not relief. 30 years of this kind of living destroys one’s understanding of altruism.

Shitty situation for all.

Thanks for your post. We;re a foreign power occupying an oil rich nation. How much trust can we realistically expect? How much would we expect to have if our positions were reversed?

ndanielson said:
Sounds like Jasser is less of a skeptic of the Islamisation of America than 70 million liberals in this country. He goes on:

I doubt Salon would ever run a Jasser article this critical of Islam, cosmosclown.

They certainly would before your hero Pam Geller posts these
http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoessays/vigil/
http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/jigsawnovich/candle-light-vigil-tehran-9-11-victims
http://www.nnseek.com/e/alt.politics.liberalism/world_trade_center_candlelight_vigil_in_tehran_iran_208843333t.html

CosmosDan said:
How much trust can we realistically expect?

If we stole all of their oil or let them sell it themselves, to our enemies, even?

Yukon Jack said:
The same number as should be allowed for mosques to exist anywhere where people are normal.

ZERO!

Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy

You belong to the Tea Party don’t you?
We are a democracy, not a theocracy

It is estimated that at least 5% of Saudi Arabia is Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_Saudi_Arabia
It is 0.8% US population is Muslim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Muslim_population

nutsofast said:
Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy You belong to the Tea Party don’t you?We are a democracy, not a theocracy It is estimated that at least 5% of Saudi Arabia is Christianhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_Saudi_ArabiaIt is 0.8% US population is Muslimhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Muslim_population

we are a republic

RichS said:
They see Islam in a political light because Mohammed used Islam to gain and keep control of the dictatorship that he established with a sword. The split between the too big factions of Islam wasn’t over a question of the tenents of faith but over who was to be the new dictator. Sounds like a very political religion from its very begining.

I got that same idea from reading about it. I got the impression, from a superficial study, that Muhammed realized that religion had been used by other nations to centralize power and control, and that the Arab world was far to tribal to have that, so he did something about it. But that’s just an impression from a quick study.
It’s like in Europe when the church had so much power, and didn’t want to give it up.
“What, you’re printing Bibles for everyone to read? To the dungeon you heretic”

CosmosDan said:
Maybe we can make an effort to get to know the Muslims in our community. When a Christian Pastor in TN allowed his Muslim neighbors to use his building he was criticized. From what I’ve read, there are already efforts underway, and have been for years , to engage Muslim communities. Haven’t we been hearing about Muslims that have helped uncover plots? We need to figure out how to honor our own principle of freedom of worship, while still protecting ourselves. Maybe learning from actual Muslim Americans is a good idea. Participate in interfaith groups etc.I think what was being questioned about King was his approach to a real problem. It’s a tricky line to walk. I question the usefulness of a public display. Concerning King in particular I would have liked to have heard him praise the Muslim Americans who have helped us, as an example. Did he? And, If he’s going to spout numbers about Mosques be radicalized ,he ought to have a credible source. That’s his job.It is a serious issue, but that doesn’t mean he’s not above using it for a political agenda.What have you learned from the hearings that you think will help keep America safe?

Please tell us a story about an Imam who shares his Mosque with Christians? When I was in Saudi Arabia meetings would be stopped an the nonMuslims would be put in a separate room so that prayer services could be held. It was Ramadan, so we weren’t allowed to eat or drink during the day. Why doesn’t the Muslim community reach out to us?

nutsofast said:
They certainly would before your hero Pam Geller posts these
http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoessays/vigil/
http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/jigsawnovich/candle-light-vigil-tehran-9-11-victims
http://www.nnseek.com/e/alt.politics.liberalism/world_trade_center_candlelight_vigil_in_tehran_iran_208843333t.html

Pam Geller is behind the people of Iran, as are many in this country. Our dear 0bama excluded. Dummy. He didn’t back the revolution in words or deeds. He stood by and watched the slaughter. It is their Mullahs that are the problem, to the American people, Israel and the middle east moderates, dummy.

nutsofast said:
We are a democracy

Dumb as a box of rags and half as useful.

cjd ohio 1 said:
we are a republic

Oh, that changes everything.
A republic is a form of government in which the people, or some significant portion of them, retain supreme control over the government.[1][2] The term is generally also understood to describe a government where most decisions are made with reference to established laws, rather than the discretion of a head of state, and therefore monarchy is today generally considered to be incompatible with being a republic.

Democracy is a form of political organization in which all people, through consensus (consensus democracy), direct referendum (direct democracy), or elected representatives (representative democracy) exercise equal control over the matters which affect their interests

Now that that’s cleared up, let’s get rid of those Muslims

ndanielson said:
Teaching moments, have always fallen short of liberal minds. Hence allowing for history to repeat itself, with the appeasement and rise of evil in the world.

History is, indeed, repeating itself:

Compare 1979 to 2011:

Incompetent, chicken-livered Presidents.
Muslims poking their fingers in America’s eyes.
Rest of the world losing respect for America.
High unemployment.
High and rising gas prices.
No hope and relief in sight.

The new Ronald Reagan – whoever it will be – will surprise America’s enemies within and without.

nutsofast said:
Oh, that changes everything.A republic is a form of government in which the people, or some significant portion of them, retain supreme control over the government.[1][2] The term is generally also understood to describe a government where most decisions are made with reference to established laws, rather than the discretion of a head of state, and therefore monarchy is today generally considered to be incompatible with being a republic. Democracy is a form of political organization in which all people, through consensus (consensus democracy), direct referendum (direct democracy), or elected representatives (representative democracy) exercise equal control over the matters which affect their interests Now that that’s cleared up, let’s get rid of those Muslims

why do you want to do that?

nutsofast said:
Oh, that changes everything.
A republic is a form of government in which the people, or some significant portion of them, retain supreme control over the government.[1][2] The term is generally also understood to describe a government where most decisions are made with reference to established laws, rather than the discretion of a head of state, and therefore monarchy is today generally considered to be incompatible with being a republic.

Democracy is a form of political organization in which all people, through consensus (consensus democracy), direct referendum (direct democracy), or elected representatives (representative democracy) exercise equal control over the matters which affect their interests

Now that that’s cleared up, let’s get rid of those Muslims

No significant difference there, huh, dum-dum?

Jayson said:
Its the bible, a book some proclaim to be the book of books. Asking about friendly Jesus quotes doesn’t change the book from what it is..
Theres a fair amount of hatred in the bible, and my point was, since Mayer has labeled the Qur’an a hate filled holy book, maybe he should label the bible a hate filled holy book also.

The difference being that Christians emulate Jesus Christ, who dispensed love and wisdom, while Muslims emulate Muhammad who asked his followers to murder the people that mocked him. Which is why you can’t even draw a cartoon of Muhammad and why people are being celebrated for murder in the Muslim world, as I pointed out earlier in Pakistan, where two Muslim men are now being hailed as heroes for murdering a Liberal Muslim politician and a Christian politician.

Yukon Jack said:
History is, indeed, repeating itself:

Compare 1979 to 2011:

Incompetent, chicken-livered Presidents.
Muslims poking their fingers in America’s eyes.
Rest of the world losing respect for America.
High unemployment.
High and rising gas prices.
No hope and relief in sight.

The new Ronald Reagan – whoever it will be – will surprise America’s enemies within and without.

And a palpable malaise. Where is the misery index? I hear the source of it is on the links again.

Grammie said:
.And don’t forget Dracula for defeating the Turks in Romania.

My first wife is Hungarian, from a minor aristocratic family. Her family and her Hungarian friends were always arguing that Transylvania was Hungarian, unless the subject of Vlad the Impaler came up, then he was Romanian.

ndanielson said:
No significant difference there, huh, dum-dum?

A republic is a form of government in which the people, or some significant portion of them, retain supreme control over the government.

Democracy is a form of political organization in which all people, through consensus direct referendum or elected representatives exercise equal control over
besides
dum dum, how does his compare to letting mosques here or churches there.

Typical

Yukon Jack said:
The same number as should be allowed for mosques to exist anywhere where people are normal. ZERO!

Sorry, I mistyped. I was asking about Churches, but I know the answer. ZERO!

RichS said:
My first wife is Hungarian, from a minor aristocratic family. Her family and her Hungarian friends were always arguing that Transylvania was Hungarian, unless the subject of Vlad the Impaler came up, then he was Romanian.

I rented a movie called Vlad the Impaler once. Big Bram Stoker fan Didn’t realize until I got home that I had wandered into the wrong movie section. Ruined that Halloween party.

CosmosDan said:
I rented a movie called Vlad the Impaler once. Big Bram Stoker fan Didn’t realize until I got home that I had wandered into the wrong movie section. Ruined that Halloween party.

lol

CosmosDan said:
I rented a movie called Vlad the Impaler once. Big Bram Stoker fan Didn’t realize until I got home that I had wandered into the wrong movie section. Ruined that Halloween party.

HA

but what about after party?

Prophets say what they write is inspired by God. I believe in God, not in prophets. Prophets try to instill Gods word through their own beliefs which is not Gods word. The closest thing to Gods word is the ten commandments. Everything else is compromised by prophets and should not be trusted. All religions are compromised and should be abandoned otherwise there will never be peace on earth.

CosmosDan said:
I heard something the other day about mother Theresa. She wouldn’t protest against anything, but would protest for something positive. She wouldn’t attend an anti-war rally, but would attend a rally promoting peace. A subtle difference I find very intriguing.

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I have attended exactly one rally in my entire life in support of freeing Kuwait from the Iraqi invaders. As for a rally for world peace I would have to know exactly what they were promoting and whether I thought it would actually promote world peace.

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CosmosDan said:
Okay, but the point for me is that we don’t have and won’t have a theocracy, even if some % of Muslims or Christians want that. We’ve successfully prevented religion from having too much sway in our form of government since our founding. I see no reason to worry about a small minority of Muslims who may want Shariah law to be the law of the land, anymore than I worry about fundamentalist Christians having their way.

It goes beyond my concerns for what happens re our government here in my own country. That concern extends to the methods used by Islamists (can’t we agree that violence in achieving their objectives is a given). I also oppose movements such as those to force employers to exempt Muslim employees from handling pork and other such things that are becoming more common. Look to riots, turmoil and Muslim violence against non Muslims in Europe and how far they have gone down that path of accommodating Muslim customs and the problems it has caused.

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CosmosDan said:
Eradicate what? Islam? Shariah law? We don’t tell people how to worship, we just enforce the laws of the land and insist that those who live here obey them. That’s it. That’s all we have to do.

Not to eradicate as in genocide or conquering the world but to strongly promote policies that limit first expansion to those area now free of Islamic governments and encourage Islamic governments to moderate. I view the Islamist movement exactly as I view Fascism and marxism/Stalinism.

CosmosDan said:
I’m not sure exactly what you mean by assimilate, but if that means, obeying the laws of the land, I’m with you on that. I think we need to address the actions rather than the religion, while stressing the need to comply with the law. You don’t get to live in our country and ignore them.

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. I’m from New Orleans and I take the motto “Les bon temps roulez” seriously. Private life that is not a harm or danger to anyone else is none of my business.

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CosmosDan said:
And have they? We don’t get to impose our standards of morals on others. Lots of different cultures have come here and had a hard time adjusting. Old cultural traditions take generations to fade.

No, but it has happened in various communities around the country. I was simply trying to lay my position out clearly.

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nutsofast said:
A republic is a form of government in which the people, or some significant portion of them, retain supreme control over the government.

Democracy is a form of political organization in which all people, through consensus direct referendum or elected representatives exercise equal control over
besides
dum dum, how does his compare to letting mosques here or churches there.

Typical

I’ll take that as a no. Dummy.

mibwilso said:
I think some of the examples in the Middle East are prime examples of why we should have separation of church and state.

If you don’t have separation of church and state, one cannot criticize the policies of the government without being accused of heresy.

Since ALL Muslim countries and any and all immigrants from those countries (with the possible exception of Turkey) are Muslims first, separation of mosque and state is irrelevant.

Also totally alien to American values.

RichS said:
Please tell us a story about an Imam who shares his Mosque with Christians? When I was in Saudi Arabia meetings would be stopped an the nonMuslims would be put in a separate room so that prayer services could be held. It was Ramadan, so we weren’t allowed to eat or drink during the day. Why doesn’t the Muslim community reach out to us?

Actually the proposed community center in NYC was supposed to have a section for interfaith worship. I think you’d find that the Muslim community has reached out and varies in views like Christians do.
http://quakeruniversalist.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/muslims-scholars-reach-out-to-christians-a-common-word/

“During this time of escalating Islamophobia, fueled by self-serving politicians, my heart leaped for joy to see the publication of A Common Word: Muslims and Christians on Loving God and Neighbor (Eerdman: Grand Rapids, MI, 2010). This book, consisting of essays by leading Muslim and Christian scholars, offers hope that the two largest monotheistic religions (comprising over half the world’s population) can overcome their historic antagonisms and build a culture of peace based on the Two Commandments shared by all three Abrahamic faiths: “Love God and love your neighbor.”
“This unprecedented Muslim outreach to the Christian community began three years ago, on October 13, 2007, when 138 Muslim scholars sent out a letter (entitled “A Common Word Between Us and You”) to leaders of the Christian faith, calling for peace and understanding. (Since then, there have been more Muslim signatories, bringing the total to over 300.”

Bill misses a couple obvious points that I wish Ellison would have pointed out.

Yes, Bill says this has been going on for 1,000 years. So why didn’t he mention the Crusades? Why didn’t he touch on Western occupation of Middle Eastern lands for oil? Why didn’t he talk about the U.S. and other Western industrialized nations doing business with corrupt regimes that murder and slaughter their own people?

I like Bill Maher, but his Atheist, libertarian leanings in this regard aren’t serving him well in this debate. It’s as if he’s arguing from a Christian fundamentalist, Tea Party perspective Radicalization of a small percentage of Muslims is due partially to our direct involvement in these dictatorial governments. It’s no surprise that our way of life is about to be profoundly disrupted by the wave of democratic protests across the region. As the people begin to take control of their own lives and wake up to the reality of Western involvement, there will likely be a profound economic price that we will pay. And it will partially be due to our own greed and ignorance in not developing alternative forms of energy quick enough in order to reduce oil imports.

Not only are we willing to screw our own people with the great transference of wealth and corporate malfeasance, but we have no problem screwing other countries in order to maintain a profit margin.

Bill needs to make a stronger argument instead of blindly using that broad stroke that fits within his ideology. And this is coming for a self-professed Atheist as well.

Dookiestix said:
Yes, Bill says this has been going on for 1,000 years. So why didn’t he mention the Crusades? Why didn’t he touch on Western occupation of Middle Eastern lands for oil?

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Oh, I had no idea that the Muslim invasion of Spain, the Balkins and Eastern Europe were caused by this. Now that you’ve pointed it out I can see it is an immutable truth.

Amazing how thousands of years of misconceptions can be cleared up in a second on the internet.

Dookiestix said:
Why didn’t he touch on Western occupation of Middle Eastern lands for oil?

Pull the stix from your mouth. When will we be taking possession of all the oil?

Grammie said:
It goes beyond my concerns for what happens re our government here in my own country. That concern extends to the methods used by Islamists (can’t we agree that violence in achieving their objectives is a given). I also oppose movements such as those to force employers to exempt Muslim employees from handling pork and other such things that are becoming more common. Look to riots, turmoil and Muslim violence against non Muslims in Europe and how far they have gone down that path of accommodating Muslim customs and the problems it has caused.

Yeah, I think if your religion has restrictions that make you not able to do a job, don’t take the job. If you can’t work in a Casino, Liqueur store, or adult movie theater because you’re a Christian, don’t take the job.
I think if accommodations are agreed on up front that’s another matter.
I worked with a really wonderful Lutheran fellow who was an outstanding hard working honest guy. Funny too. He told management right up front he couldn’t work Sunday morning because of his obligations at church, and they hired him accepting that. IMO he was well worth it as an employee, but later they changed their minds and began scheduling him for Sunday morning and blamed him for not accommodating the job. Grrrr.
I worked with two young Iraqis for a while and they were both awesome. The young lady wore American clothes, but a head scarf. There was never a problem. Muhammad, who we called Mo,was incredibly polite, hard working and accommodating.

Grammie said:
Not to eradicate as in genocide or conquering the world but to strongly promote policies that limit first expansion to those area now free of Islamic governments and encourage Islamic governments to moderate. I view the Islamist movement exactly as I view Fascism and marxism/Stalinism.

If it wasn’t for the moral accommodations made for financial interests we’d have done a lot better at promoting democracy. I believe in promoting democracy as a path to peace, but we need to do that in an ethical manner. The UN could be a powerful agent in that regard but has become to concerned with financial interests.
It’s not up to us to tell other countries what type of government they can have but we certainly have leverage to encourage or discourage.

Grammie said:
Yes, that is exactly what I meant. I’m from New Orleans and I take the motto “Les bon temps roulez” seriously. Private life that is not a harm or danger to anyone else is none of my business.

Nice. Much more eloquent than “mind your own beeswax”

Grammie said:
No, but it has happened in various communities around the country. I was simply trying to lay my position out clearly.

I was reading about Shariah law in the UK which surprised me. evidently in some areas they have allowed Shariah law to handle civil cases in Muslim communities. Not criminal, was how I understood it. Although I can see some money saved by allowing this I think it’s a dangerous precedent. I think the law of the land needs to be firmly established as non negotiable. Although we can’t prevent Muslims communities from making some decisions internally according to tradition, it needs to be clear that those decisions have no legal binding status.
What communities have you read about?
I was wondering how things are in that town in Michigan that has a large Muslim population. I can see the temptation to compromise to avoid persistent arguments.

CosmosDan said:
If it wasn’t for the moral accommodations made for financial interests we’d have done a lot better at promoting democracy. I

That would read better as “moral compromises” not accommodations.

Spike1 said:
Prophets say what they write is inspired by God. I believe in God, not in prophets. Prophets try to instill Gods word through their own beliefs which is not Gods word. The closest thing to Gods word is the ten commandments. Everything else is compromised by prophets and should not be trusted. All religions are compromised and should be abandoned otherwise there will never be peace on earth.

I often compared it to the purest water coming through a dirty filter. You’re bound to get a lot of the filter in there.
Then there’s translation, interpretation, and just false claims. I finally decided my own inner voice had as much spiritual authority as any preacher I ever heard, or any book I ever read.

CosmosDan said:
I often compared it to the purest water coming through a dirty filter. You’re bound to get a lot of the filter in there.Then there’s translation, interpretation, and just false claims. I finally decided my own inner voice had as much spiritual authority as any preacher I ever heard, or any book I ever read.

agree with you on this

I have never been a fan of Bill Maher. However, He conducted this interview beautifully. My compliments Mr. Maher.

I ‘d like add: to those westerners that keep repeating “most Muslims are good, peace loving people”, I am tired of hearing it. Any culture or Nation that continues to treat its Women the way Islam does, is, at the very least, suspect.

If only 10% of Muslims are prone to Jihad, hmm, that is 100 million people that don’t feel pity or remorse, and will not stop until, someone stops them. Think about that!

CosmosDan said:
I think that’s also what Jasser is talking about , and I agree.

What Jasser is talking about is this:

Calvin said:
“the bulk of the fight will have to be undertaken by Muslims themselves”

That’s pretty much what he’s saying.

See here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/23/gb.01.html

purveyor said:
If only 10% of Muslims are prone to Jihad, hmm, that is 100 million people that don’t feel pity or remorse, and will not stop until, someone stops them. Think about that!

And 70 million liberal Americans who think nothing of it. That is 20% liberals in a population 350 million. Think about that. Cosmosclown thinks we need to make moral accommodations for them. Like Christian doctors that must make moral accommodations to abort babies. Moral accommodations must exist for liberalism to exist.

CosmosDan said:
It wasn’t. What was it?

A lie. Read again.

Does Ellison’s account check out with reality?

No. It is actually pretty close to the opposite of the truth. In fact, six weeks after the September 11 attacks — before Hamdani’s remains were identified, which Ellison implies to be the turning point of public perception — Congress signed the PATRIOT Act into law with this line included: “Many Arab Americans and Muslim Americans have acted heroically during the attacks on the United States, including Mohammed Salman Hamdani, a 23-year-old New Yorker of Pakistani descent, who is believed to have gone to the World Trade Center to offer rescue assistance and is now missing.” That is, Hamdani was actually singled out for particular high honors among the thousands of victims of the September 11 attacks.

There’s little evidence of the “rumors” of which Ellison speaks, either. Poke around yourself. Go to Google and search for Mohammed Salman Hamdani’s name, using various time frames from before today’s hearings (say, in the week after the September 11 attack). You’ll discover two discordant sets of returns: none for sites and news reports accusing Hamdani of being a terrorist, and many thousands of pages honoring him as a hero while claiming that he was “widely accused” of being a terrorist.

CosmosDan said:
What does “traced back to” mean? Could it mean that the story from that one article was repeated on other pages and blogs? If so, wouldn’t that constitute “some” just as he said

See previous paragraph.

CosmosDan said:
Was his mother questioned because of his religion? That seems factual right?

Yes, but:

After that questioning, the FBI didn’t go farther in a serious investigation, and, a week later, Hamdani was singled out for honors by the United States’ executive and legislative branches with those lines in the PATRIOT Act that immortalized his story.

Then, he was eulogized by the New York Times, had scholarship funds named after him, was honored by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly (both of whom went barefoot to honor Muslim practice) at his funeral, and has been celebrated over and over again by the media.

CosmosDan said:
Maybe the story was overplayed, or at least has a couple of valid ways to look at it,but I don’t see any reason to base all the posts claiming Ellison is a liar crying crocodile tears, from that one article. Again, it’s being a little to eager to believe the worst of someone based on very little.

“The belief that Mohammed Salman Hamdani was a victim of anti-Muslim bigotry was never based in reality. It was manufactured by the Left as a rhetorical prop, exploited as a bludgeon against people who want to talk seriously about terrorism. If Hamdani was singled out for his faith, it would appear he was singled out for especially high honors. Most 9/11 victims were not half so celebrated as he was. Rather than suffering from apocryphal American anti-Muslim bigotry, Salman Hamdani appears to have benefited from America’s eager inclusiveness.

Americans have long seen Mohammed Salman Hamdani as a hero. Too bad Representative Ellison saw him only as a prop.”

And there’s alot more to not like about Ellison: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2158

Wow. Another commie (I kind of figured he was when he was talking about “social justice”) What a surprise.

Calvin said:
What Jasser is talking about is this:

That’s pretty much what he’s saying.

See here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/23/gb.01.html

I thought this was interesting

JASSER: No, no, I mean, that type of violent militant radicalism is – - I`ve never seen it in my life. I`ve been active in the Muslim community my entire life. Militancy I just don`t see in America. And this study actually showed that.

But the issue is what you do see is glorification of political Islam, blaming America for everything, conspiracy theories about the Zionists and the west. And what happens is that is, even if it`s non-violent, that is the seed that then, when planted in a young impressionable, hateful mind, then becomes the fuse that lights them to become radical.

Calvin said:
Then, he was eulogized by the New York Times, had scholarship funds named after him, was honored by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly (both of whom went barefoot to honor Muslim practice) at his funeral, and has been celebrated over and over again by the media.

I assume all of that happened after his remains were found , since before that he was only missing. Although, I can’t be sure. That makes its somewhat irrelevant to Ellison’s story and point. He never claimed he was never honored in any way.

I’m talking about his testimony at the hearings that have been portrayed as a lie. What specifically was a lie?
That Hamdani was suspected because of his religion and some people smeared him. That seems to be true.
My opinion is that he is speaking about his personal concern over the rise in anti Muslim sentiment. You can say that particular story has more to it, and has been blown out of proportion, but that doesn’t make Ellison a liar.

Why is everybody cutting and pasting that same article. Why is that article instantly believable and accurate and Elllsiton not ?
We’re done here Calvin. Just something we won’t agree on.

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Armageddon T Thunderbird said:
Bill Maher handled this subject and interview with professionalism and grace. I have a graduate degree in religion and there really was nothing wrong with the questions posed by Bill. If more Christians would ask themselves more of the tough questions instead of choosing to believe everything their corrupt political and religious leaders tell them, we’d probably have fewer screwed up idiots in this country. This conversation was one of the better and more honest to the “real heart of the matter” forms of discourse regarding Islam and terrorism. Both of these gentlemen handled themselves and the subject well. Too bad the same cannot be said of anyone on Fox News when their opinion pushers get on TV.

I am only guessing, but I am confident that if any of the Fox News “opinion pushers” had said that the Quoran is a hate-filled book, you would be among the first ones to cry foul.

But since it was said by a vulgar, foul-mouthed liberal (pardon the redundancy), it is not only OK, but honorable.

jcalex said:
Maybe someone will tell me how many Muslims are in Japan helping people in need……Just kidding!! I know the answer…the same number that were in Chili,and Indonesia,and Catrina.As a matter of fact! you could add all of them up,and still get “Zero”…..”Nothing – from Nothing – leaves nothing”,The Muslims have nothing! but for their own.

How much did other Muslim nations contribute to help Iran after the devastating earthquake there a few years ago?

About as many dollars/euros/rubels, etc. as the number of Christian churches in Saudi Arabia.

Cosmosclown, are you trying to get picked up by CAIR or Al Jazeera?

Scales finally falling from your eyes, Maher?

Ellison was drawn into islam by its call to inclusion and so he joins Farrakhan’s crazy racist cult of muslims? Why doesn’t Maher question Ellison here? It must be ignorance of Ellison’s history.

mibwilso said:
At least Bill Maher is consistent. He’s equally critical of all religions.

Except liberalism.

CosmosDan said:
What specifically was a lie?

The rumors:

There’s little evidence of the “rumors” of which Ellison speaks, either. Poke around yourself. Go to Google and search for Mohammed Salman Hamdani’s name, using various time frames from before today’s hearings (say, in the week after the September 11 attack). You’ll discover two discordant sets of returns: none for sites and news reports accusing Hamdani of being a terrorist, and many thousands of pages honoring him as a hero while claiming that he was “widely accused” of being a terrorist.

He implies that it was only when Hamdani’s remains were discovered was he seen as a hero:

In fact, six weeks after the September 11 attacks — before Hamdani’s remains were identified, which Ellison implies to be the turning point of public perception — Congress signed the PATRIOT Act into law with this line included: “Many Arab Americans and Muslim Americans have acted heroically during the attacks on the United States, including Mohammed Salman Hamdani, a 23-year-old New Yorker of Pakistani descent, who is believed to have gone to the World Trade Center to offer rescue assistance and is now missing.” That is, Hamdani was actually singled out for particular high honors among the thousands of victims of the September 11 attacks.

That’s the first two paragraphs right there.

CosmosDan said:
We’re done here Calvin. Just something we won’t agree on.

With all due respect, I think you’re a bit in denial.

Dear Mediaite, I wrote this after seeing the video of Rep. Ellison on Bill Mahar that you brought to my attention:

“Muslim US Congressman Needs a Lesson in Islamic History”

http://www.alfassa.com/ellison.html

Thank you,
SA in NYC

Sean68 said: “Ellison was drawn into islam by its call to inclusion and so he joins Farrakhan’s crazy racist cult of muslims?”

please note that Louis Farrakhan is the head of the Nation of Islam (aka ‘Black Muslims’). it bears the same resemblance to Islam (Shia, Sunni, Sufi etc) as the FLDS does to present-day Protestant/Catholic Christianity.

the Nation of Islam incorporates some elements of Muslim worship and rejects others. on the other hand, it’s much closer to Scientology in that it’s a UFO/extraterrestrial type of religion. among some of the tenets is that the black race will be restored to its ‘rightful’ position some day when the exraterrestrials return.

mainstream Islam doesn’t recognize the Church of Islam per se.

NOTE: there has been an ongoing conversion of Catholics to Islam in Latin America in recent years. i’ve read one story in which Pope John Paul II, before he died, was very worried about Catholic conversion to Islam in South America.

CORRECTION: should be “NATION of Islam”, not “Church of Islam”

okami said:
NOTE: there has been an ongoing conversion of Catholics to Islam in Latin America in recent years. i’ve read one story in which Pope John Paul II, before he died, was very worried about Catholic conversion to Islam in South America.

Not to worry. Catholic priests are much better pedophiles than Muhammed ever was.

Calvin said:
The rumors:

No they very clearly were not a lie. His mother was questioned by the FBI, and there was an article that questioned whether he was missing or hiding. It also appears that that article was repeated by others. The article you quote says “widespread” which is what you insisted Ellison was wrong about , only to realize he never said that. I’m sure others had the same idea you did before you checked.
It doesn’t even matter how soon the remains were found or that the young man was honored after they were discovered because Ellison doesn’t address any of that. The article everybody keeps quoting to imply he’s a liar and a fake says his story is pretty much the opposite of the truth , but fails to establish that because it deals with several things, Ellison wasn’t talking about. It seems to imply that Ellison and the left in general purposely made a much bigger offense out of what happened than it really was. Maybe, and maybe with the steady rise of anti-Muslim sentiment the story became more important to those who see anti-Muslim sentiment as a negative. Maybe it has been over emphasized as an example, but the basics that Ellison repeated were true. Most of his testimony was about the problem of anti-Muslim sentiment and how the hearings might serve to make that worse. He repeated that story in that context. He also talked about the cabbie who got knifed for being Muslim. Whether you agree with him or not there’s no serious evidence that he was intentionally misrepresenting the story or his emotions.

Calvin said:
He implies that it was only when Hamdani’s remains were discovered was he seen as a hero:

He actually says it rather than implies it, and that may be where he has the details incorrect, but that doesn’t prove he did it intentionally. How many people knew that about the Patriot act? Why would we expect Ellison to know that detail? The Patriot act became law years before he began to serve in congress?

When the whole Park 51 debate was going on I noticed that those who opposed the building seemed to completely ignore the fact that Muslims also died on 9/11 and have died in our military fighting terrorism. The talk is far to consistent about the negative examples. That smacks of xenophobia to me and I don’t like it.

Calvin said:
With all due respect, I think you’re a bit in denial.

Maybe, and maybe you and others are to eager to believe the worst about someone you disagree with. I’m certainly not claiming I know, because I don’t. Maybe Ellison is a fake. I was just bothered by how eagerly everyone was willing to accept the worst based on one article. It’s that kind of knee jerk biased response that hurts the dialogue, and I’m occasionally guilty of it myself.

To all of the peace loving Muslims, please stop murdering people.  Thank you

CosmosDan said:
Not to worry. Catholic priests are much better pedophiles than Muhammed ever was.

Nope, when Catholic priests get caught the government punishes them. When Mohammed was caught he was praised because he was the government and the religion.

RichS said:
Nope, when Catholic priests get caught the government punishes them. When Mohammed was caught he was praised because he was the government and the religion.

but the church itself hides them, transfers them, or just denies them, and that wasn’t 1600 years ago. IMO, the people who covered for them ought to go to jail as well.

CosmosDan said:
I`ve been active in the Muslim community my entire life. Militancy I just don`t see in America.

Muslims are liars. They’re taught to lie, that’s what they do.

Hey Bill – the Old Testament is a hate filled Holy Book, too. Does that mean that the millions of people who consider it their Holy Book are hate filled people?

Sometimes, Maher, you just flat out suck – typically when you open your flabby yap about anything that has to do with religion.

hgovernick said:
the Old Testament is a hate filled Holy Book, too.

You are an idiot. The day you pass is the day your relatives rejoice. The ones that aren’t inbred.

Mr.Papshmer said:
You are an idiot. The day you pass is the day your relatives rejoice. The ones that aren’t inbred.

Do some research before spouting your usual garbage. The Old Testament is a hate filled “Holy” book.

Jayson said:
Do some research before spouting your usual garbage. The Old Testament is a hate filled “Holy” book.

I certainly hope that the side of your head says “hi” to something about 45/100th of an inch in diameter weighing about 230 grains.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Muslims are liars. They’re taught to lie, that’s what they do.

Um, that’s not my quote, and really nice judgement there.

WOW! I’m impressed Maher would speak so truthfully and courageous about Islam. Good for him. I guess islam is so sick that even hardcore lefties could see it for what it is from time to time.

And BEWARE THE CONVERT!!! Being born into it is one thing but CONVERTING while in collage should earn you constant surveillance from law enforcement. I’d just love to know what part of islam you found appealing? GTF outta here!

Joseph Glackin said:
I’ll let you in on one, too. You ain’t funny.

i think you’re hilarious.

CosmosDan said:
Not to worry. Catholic priests are much better pedophiles than Muhammed ever was.

this is about the sorriest comment posted here. are you really that stupid??

justanotherconservative said:
this is about the sorriest comment posted here. are you really that stupid??

Cosmo out does himself with every new post.

justanotherconservative said:
this is about the sorriest comment posted here. are you really that stupid??

Um, it was a bit of dark humor. I hope you’re not saying that Catholics don’t have a serious problem with some priests being pedophiles, and other church officials trying to cover it up rather than treat it as the horrible crime it is.
That’s factual.

CosmosDan said:
Um, it was a bit of dark humor. I hope you’re not saying that Catholics don’t have a serious problem with some priests being pedophiles, and other church officials trying to cover it up rather than treat it as the horrible crime it is.That’s factual.

So because this is true, Maher shouldn’t have said what he said?

See what I mean? You guys are such idiot distracters that when I read some of your post, I have to go back and see what topic we’re on.

Steve_27 said:
So because this is true, Maher shouldn’t have said what he said?

Never implied anything even remotely like that. I wonder about the persistent habit some posters have of inferring meanings that are not contained anywhere in the post.

It’s similar to; Hey I think blue is a nice color.

Oh so now you’re criticizing red!?

Um no I didn’t. Learn how the language works.

CosmosDan brings up pediphile priests in order to excuse away the pediphilia in islam. Their prophet, mohammed, did it and many others have done it. In fact, islam’s heaven is full of little boys for the jihadists. But here we have in just one month the abuse not only of women in islam, but of children. Some of islam’s clerics having been caught for pediphilia. And for the most part the world, the MSM, gives the moslems a pass on this.

Remember that this is just one month: Some of the stories here are sad. One woman was raped and she got whipped to death by a CLERIC. An IMAM raped TWO BOYS, and the list of atrocities doesn’t get better. This is very recent news too:
http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/bulletin-of-the-oppression-of-women-and-children-jan-30-mar-0-2011/

R_not said:
CosmosDan brings up pediphile priests in order to excuse away the pediphilia in islam.

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Snap out of it. I’m not excusing anything. I made a very dark joke and that’s all I did. Personally I think it’s stupid to look back 1600 years and call Muhammed a pedophile, and playing comparative religions almost as bad which was also part of the joke.

The wrong part is when so called Christians and Priests commit some crime we don’t label them as being representative of the entire religion. We automatically see them as bad individuals. With Muslims it’s a different story. Every moral or cultural crime is somehow a condemnation of the religion as a whole rather than the individual.

I dont mind your jokes.

But if the leader of their religion was a pedophile, 1, it shouldn’t matter if it was 16,000 years ago. If thats what he was and thats what they feel was the perfect person, then thats a bold conflict with our way of life and is fair game to be addressed. And 2, your comparison to priest, joke or not, was always wrong cause we get disgusted and arrest ours while for them it’s just their way. So you see, two totally different words and therefor not comparable.

Mr.Papshmer said:
You are an idiot. The day you pass is the day your relatives rejoice. The ones that aren’t inbred.

And you are an uneducated bleeb. bin Laden’s sword through your neck would be too good for you.

anyone who can blame one thing for events with dozens if not thousands of factors involved either is ignorant to it, or a revisionist. Maher seems to have a very narrow view when it comes to the world and history

 I am sure none of these idiots arguing here have ever read even few verses of Quran…!!!

Yah right, that is why there are more charches in the muslems’s land than mosques in the Chrichians’s land